 So we will call our meeting to water. We have Phil with us on the Zoom. Who else do we have up there doing? I can't see the names. Are you okay? Let's see, we have Bridget Browning. Yep. We have Paul's iPhone. Okay. Let's see. Who else I'm missing? We have Paula O'Tenty. Paula O'Tenty. Paula O'Tenty. Paula O'Tenty. Okay. Welcome everyone. Liz Scharf is not with us tonight. She's up in the air somewhere, flying to a, flying to believe to a business meeting. So we have what appears to be a relatively short agenda tonight. We'll see how it goes. The first item on the agenda is a highway report. Updates on town highway issues, exploring options for a truck to replace the international and FY26 action unlikely. Who's up, gentlemen? Yeah, so checking around, they're filling orders through 24 already. So if we're gonna get one for 25, 26, we're gonna probably wanna start thinking about ordering. Yep. That being said, I put together a spec sheet for the purchase of that. Yep. Just to kind of safeguard ourselves. And it was sent along to you guys just to review. If you agree with that, I'm certainly willing to put that in play. I read through it. I mean, it looked, from what I could understand, it all looked good to me. I didn't see anything which seemed crazy. So who would we, who would we ask to bed? I would give it to everybody. Well, who's everybody? We have international, which is Freightliner, Western Star, and then Kenworth. We could put them out to all of them. We don't have to pick it, any particular one, other than the one we want. But you wanna have as much feedback in as possible. And we don't even have to take the lowest. No, you don't have to take the lowest. Correct. I reviewed our procurement policy and it says that, and even this states you don't have to pick the lowest you pick the better, suits the town. Right. Well, I can tell you what I'm concerned about is what we've learned in a few of the recent go-arounds is, I want information on what the experience has been with these particular trucks, engines, and transmissions. Absolutely. What their repair history is. I know that, because that's what's just killed us. When our trucks are laid up and they can't get parts for them, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, that's almost more important than the real price. That and the warranty. But the warranty's no good if they can't get the parts. And this one you're specced out as an automatic transmission. Correct. Correct. It's a good thing. In my opinion. I think so too. I mean, there were a few years there where I wondered whether it was the right thing, but I think they've got it figured out now. Well, yeah, I think in the big picture, you're better off with an automatic. Yes. That part of the high report. The other thing I can report on is we have a broken spring on the freight liner that's getting repaired today. It should be done, actually, it should be done now. So we have to vote on. No, I don't think so. We'll have to vote on what we buy. Right, no, but do we have to authorize them, bad word, but to send it out to whomever he chooses? No, I don't think so. Yeah. I don't think so. No. I'd rather ask now than do it again next week. But there's nobody we would exclude from that list based on bad reputation or issues or problems or. Well, it will certainly take all that consideration with picking. Right. I would say. But I wouldn't exclude anybody from putting a bid in. Right. No, I agree. Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say is just put it out to the whole pool and as we score the proposals coming back in, we consider, you know, their reputation as part of that scoring. Really, we've got to save part of that. Is there a deadline for them to send everything in? Well, yeah, I didn't put a date in that just because I didn't know. Said to be determined, I thought. Yes, put to be done, yeah. Because I didn't know when or where we were gonna, I actually do it so I didn't put a date in yet. When, ideally, when would we want to order it? Well, we want to give ourselves a little over a year. So I would see this spring. Yeah, and this is basic. I think you'll get some feedback from the vendors as far as how far out they are. I know we've experienced that when we call, they'll tell us flat out, you know. You're not looking until 25 probably. Right. And I noticed in here, you know, we're covering ourselves to say that we're not gonna take delivery any earlier than July 1, 24 and no later than October in 24. So if those dates hold, that one of the things I was thinking about, and I haven't had a chance to zip through the whole thing. I was just reading it before the meeting here. But I know we opted for some additional stuff on the last truck we bought after we got it. Toolbox. Toolboxes and stuff like that. That's all in here. Okay. Yep, I saw that. Yeah, as far as the delivery date, I put that in there, but obviously if they're not billing them until after that, then you can't put a fictitious date in there. And how far ahead will they give us a firm price or will they even give us a firm price? I would think that they would do it right off. Really? I would think so. We know what happened when we bought the last truck. Well, that's what I was gonna say. Yeah, I mean, I guess we'll find out. Was that 5,000 extra? Well, it was bracket creep right from the start. We got a bid, then they came back before we agreed and they went up on it. And then after we signed the contract, they went up to 5,000. Okay. Yeah. So we'd certainly like to know what they were, because that sort of blindsided us because I never expected that to be possible. And it's in the fine print of their proposal, but yeah. We'll have to make sure we read the fine print. And it might be a good conversation to have as we're sending the proposals out to folks and sort of know that we've experienced that and we weren't particularly fond of it. I think the trucks that we've ordered, they've held pricing when we've authorized the bill, essentially. So granted, we're not buying trucks this size, but still. Well, I think it's worth saying when is the price locked in? Yeah. Yeah, and I can certainly have a question. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Plus the specs are coming from our wheelhouse instead of theirs. Right. It's a good deal. Right. And we should also, part of their proposal should be that they, not we outline what the differences are between what we asked for and what they gave us. Because sometimes I know in my experience, going through line by line, they describe things a little differently than we describe them in our specs and you don't know whether it really lines up or not. So let's put the burden on them to tell us what the difference is. It's a good thought. Because a lot of that stuff, do you really know what transmission you got? Do you really know what, who knows? Get whatever they give us. So let's make them tell us what they give us. Okay. So Peter. Yes. I don't, just to play the devil's advocate, but when do we decide we might go electric? Do you ever give money, ever give five? I've asked him and he didn't, you know, we talked to the state, they have a couple, but very limited what they do with them. They said. Now the big heavy trucks, not the, I mean, I think the day is probably not too far off where we could consider an electric pickup. Oh, okay. I think, I mean, based on my understanding of what's available out there, I don't think that the availability of what we need is there yet. But it's coming. It's coming. I don't think it plays a role in this proposal. No, not at all. I just, I'm asking about the question, you know, because it's five years. The answer, I mean, the answer, the simple answer to your question is, I think we'll know when the time is right. I mean, the state of the model start buying them, other people will start buying them, we'll hear how they work. You know, we'll probably have to have a special power line and put in from the Green Mountain Power Substation to get enough power to our town garage to charge the things up. I don't know. I mean, the answer is, you know, who knows? I mean, is it coming? Yeah, it's coming. But I just wanted to bring it up. I mean, oh yeah, we're gonna spend a lot of money getting ready for the future here. Yeah. A lot. Yeah, yeah. But I think, you know, when, you know, I think what's gonna come first is an electric pickup. And the question is, you know, most of the time, we could probably get by with an electric pickup now, most of the time. But can you get by in the midst of a big snowstorm when you gotta run the thing all day and all night? No, because in three hours or two hours or whatever it is, the battery's gonna be dead. So I also didn't have that. The other concern is if we're putting plows, if you're just talking pickups and stuff, if you're putting, trying to put plows on which we do the town pick up now. Absolutely. You know, that's a huge concern. One, from a capacity standpoint and two, just from a sheer suspension standpoint, they're not making three-quarter ton electric vehicles right now. They will someday. They will, pretty quick, they will. And all I'm saying is, I think we'll know. I think we'll know. When Vic puts a plow on his electric car, we'll know it's time to consider it seriously, right? I will say that the first time, and I don't take up too much, that this weekend, my car was outside because it was all salt. It's the first time I saw that forward propulsion reduced and it cut the mileage right in half. Yeah. Well, I had my, what I call my new pickup truck, which is a year old, year and a half old, three-quarter ton, it would not shift into four-wheel drive when it was 20 below zero. That was a little discouraging. I tried to go up my driveway. I had no traction at all. I couldn't figure out what's going on. It wasn't in four-wheel drive and I wouldn't go into four-wheel drive. So anyway, they don't design. I like the levers, you know, you pull the lever, you know, it's in gear. There's no computer intervening in between them. Well, no, so what else, boys? Any news on the chipper situation? No, I haven't moved much further on that yet. Okay. Okay. Okay. Anything else, Victor? Well, I had my five minutes of fame. There you go. There you go. Okay. So I guess the word is just so it's in the minutes. When you get organized and when you're ready, go ahead. Okay. Considering Polo Tenty to serve as interim emergency management coordinator until a March reorganization meeting action likely. And what's the reason for that, Sarah? Well, Margaret Schwartz, as you may remember, has resigned. She resigned the week before we had the big store. Yeah. And right now, we should be working on our emergency management plan. It is due in April. Yeah. So I think Paula has experience. And I think that she can help us get right into that plan so that it's available by March. Because if we bring Paula in the middle of March, I'll be gone in the middle of March, we're gonna miss the deadline. And she's interested in doing it, willing to do it. Yes, I think Paula's here. Yes. Hi. Hi. It's hard to say no to Sarah. Aim into that. Aim into that. Okay. Is there a motion to that effect? Yes, I'll move that we make Paula Tenty. What? Right. As interim emergency management coordinator until the March reorganization meeting. Can I just ask one other question? Why would it be interim? Well, because you're supposed to make all your appointments and after the reorganizational meeting. Yeah, but don't all the appointments. It'll be a different. Right. We would just reappoint if. So it'll be, it'll be what? Well, you're gonna have new board members. So, you know, when that's the whole idea, I know this is a hard concept for us. No, but aren't we appointing someone? And I'm just asking the question. We're appointing someone until our organization. Yes, you can take out the interim. Yeah, I just take out the interim. Unless you disagree. You're gonna be, there's gonna be no interim. Remove the word interim. Yeah. Right. It's only for like four weeks, five weeks. Yeah. Okay. Second. All those in favor? All right. Bill. Who seconded that? Thank you. Thank you. I did. Okay. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Here's an expensive one. Approving a memorandum of understanding for ambulance service with the city of Montpelier are action likely. We've got that in front of us here. It's expensive. Your budget and next year's budget because. Right. That was not how it was budgeted. So, current year was budgeted for 72,000. And according to this, it will come in at 76,500. Right. And for FY24, we budgeted 76,000. And it will come in at 78,495. So. Yeah, because it straddles the two. So we'll, we're gonna be taking it. As I always say, we've gotta have an ambulance. And I don't think we have any other options. And I do believe from everything I hear and I'm sure there are times when their service maybe isn't as timely as someone might like for the most part, they do a good job. And thank goodness, you know, thank goodness we have our fast squads filling the, filling some of the cracks. Yes. But you used to read it when you say this year, you mean fiscal year that ends in 20, this summer? FY, FY20. And you said 78,495. I think so. Up above it says 84,90. But there are two figures here because we would take July 15th of. 24th. 20th, right. No, wait a minute. So for the current year, it would be the December 23 payment, right? And the July 15th payment. So that would constitute FY23. Right. And then the next year it would be, so I'm now off on the second year because it would be 80,004,90. 490, yeah. Yeah, right. 80,004,90. Yeah. So in bullet two, it lands that. So I just wanted to make sure that. Yeah, thank you. So can you clarify that too, Randy? Well, bullet two is just for fiscal year 24, it's 76,500. And for fiscal year 25, it's 80,000, 490. Yeah. And ideally, on the other comment I would make about this is, I think we can figure out pretty well everything they're trying to deal with in their budget in terms of, payroll expenses, equipment expenses, everything else that are all going up, I'm sure. Did you? I was afraid this was going to be worse to tell you the truth. Did you happen to look at the percentage of increase? No. Okay. This just barely came in on what happened. Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't go that far. But I just made a note. I'm just pointing out that our budget's been set. It came in after I put it in. So we're gonna be. Not a new experience for us. And so it begins again. So any questions, any other questions or comments? Phil? Yeah. You're good? I'm good. Yeah. Somebody willing to make a motion for approval? Don't turn around. No approval. Okay. Seconded. Okay. Seconded by Victor. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, thank you. Holder, I get the more I want the ambulance to be ready to come. Treasure support updates on town financial issues action possible. Dorinda. No update. Just trying to catch up from doing all the budget stuff and all that. There's nothing that you can report on. Hopefully we'll get you out for the next meeting budget status report. Yep. But there's nothing you're aware of that's lacking. Everything's perfect. I mean, everything's going very smoothly. That is good to hear. Thank you. Thank you. Proving minutes of the January 17th and January 24, special select board meeting action likely. We should probably do them separately because I think we had different people, didn't we? I can't remember. I'm sorry? You have them right there. Oh yeah. Yeah. Everybody was present, 124, everyone was present. Okay. So we could actually do them together if someone's willing to make that motion. Does anybody have any amendments or corrections to the minutes? I don't. I move that we accept the minutes of January 17th and January 24th. Yep. Yes. Hold it. Second. Seconded by Randy, Sarah. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, we've approved the minutes. The fire department just arrived. Well, this was about the ambulance agreement, but you went early. I'm sorry about the what? The ambulance agreement. Oh, okay. We have approved it. Do you have any comments or questions about it? Yes. Comments. Okay. Yeah. I didn't see it until yesterday. Excuse me. Yep. So looking at it, so they only... The big thing, do you guys realize that in addition to the fee we pay, they charge the residents? Yes. Okay. Per call. I just want to bribe you with that. And by the looks of this contract this year, this is only for one year because in our district meetings that we go to, the ambulance services that are unionized now, they are looking to hire on as a regional ambulance service, which means for us that they could drop this. And it says right here, they could back out of this in 2020 by 2024, which would leave us without an ambulance service. We would be dependent on that regional ambulance, which could leave us waiting for an ambulance service for who knows where that ambulance is coming from at this point because we have no regional ambulance services in this area. I understand all that. But if we don't sign this contract, we won't have any ambulance service pretty quick. Not by tomorrow. We had time and I was also looking at other services. My players not the only ambulance service. Oh, we did not know that. Are there other viable ambulance services? We are sending conversations. One of them could be Berrytown, which is currently up at the Four Corner Station. So time-wise, not that much difference where it would make a difference is going out route 12 up towards the north side of Middlesex. The other, and they're looking at the possibility of expanding, which with some modifications to our station, they could put an ambulance, a parking ambulance and a crew at station one. Obviously that wouldn't happen next year, but there's a potential that we, the building was designed to be able to make another day to work with a small vehicle and then upstairs could be reconfigured to have housed two bedrooms. There you have the showers. Yeah, we have the showers in the bathroom. So that's a possibility we're looking at. We're trying to get a cost from them to what it would be. The thing that concerns me is this regional ambulance service that they're pushing towards, yet there's no, there isn't anything out there yet. And so- Right now we're looking at St. Jonesbury has got a regional, Brownaburl, White River. So I don't know where they're going with this, if there's a plan to build an ambulance building somewhere that would take care of Washington County. What's the impact gonna be to Mutual Aid? What's, you know, Howes, Mad River, Waterbury, Northfield? But aren't they, I mean, they're just in the, I mean, I hate to say beginning phases, but they're a long way from having a plan from what I understand. That's what concerns me that you're putting this in this agreement right now, that they can back out and there really isn't a plan yet. So are they gonna back out before there's a plan and they're just gonna take care of it until you're, and that's it? Well, at least on the contract, I wouldn't assume. The contract is only for one year, though, in the past. By annual, it goes through December of 24. Is it a two year period? July 1 of 23 to June 30 of 25. But as I read it, they can back out of this. Well. That's what's concerning. What it says is the city, if the city explores joining a regional ambulance servicer in the period of this agreement, or shortly thereafter, up to six months, the city shall negotiate in concert with the town so as to maximize the interests of both the city and the town. That doesn't say they can back out of the contract. We just want you to be aware of our concerns. No, it's good to know. I just, you know, this contract, and the one that's cut effective July 1st, I mean, I don't know when they were gonna insist that we sign it, but it isn't gonna be too long down the line. How quick are we gonna have any additional information which would impact our decision on this? That's the $64,000 question as to, primarily what this looks like is very city in Montpilter, because they're the unionized. Very town is union, but not with, and then the other question to ask is if they go to this regional thing, is Montpilter going to drop the personnel that they have currently on the new ambulance coverage and cut down that so that they have even less people over fire coverage, which affects the bigger capital mutual fire. There are a lot of moving parts to this. Right, and so that's, it concerns me that they're bringing this up now when there's not even, there really isn't a plan forward for this yet, but they're bringing it up, so it concerns me about that. So I just wonder if you should ask their city, their town manager, what is with this regional payment? I can tell you, they don't know. I mean, we can ask, we can have a conversation, but I don't think we're gonna hear anything different from what we're hearing from you guys. I mean, they've been exploring this for a long time. My recommendation is that we line out the regional ambulance system until they have some type of plan to put forward so we can look at. Yeah, but all this says is, all this says is, if the city explores joining a regional ambulance service during the period of this agreement or shortly thereafter, the city will negotiate in concert with the town. Right, I mean, if this is a two-year contract, they're saying up to six months after the term of this contract or this agreement, so it could be a couple of years. I don't think they're spelling out that they're trying to do this within the next six months. I don't think that that's what they're trying to say here. But I need to look at the law, is if they do become regional in this time period, what that means for our residents that are in need of an ambulance. So, God forbid anybody in here has a heart attack and we're there, we're trying to care for you, we're trying to keep you alive, but we're waiting for an ambulance that's coming from. Sure, and I don't think that being in this agreement stops us from having those conversations around exploring what the future may look like. And that's why I wanted to wait until we could. So, are they, I mean, they've had over the years, they've had all kinds of regional meetings. Have they recently had meetings on this subject because I haven't seen any report of them in the newspaper? I have one next week. We have a district six meeting. Okay, and what is that, that's a regional meeting from all the different towns? We have a district six meeting. So, the district, that's the district. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You get the EMS side, which is district six, and then you have capital fire, mutual aid, which is essentially the same people that just go to different, it's two meetings that we get, both if we're EMS and fire. I think it's very good to be aware of this and pay attention to it, really pay attention to it. Obviously, it's important, I agree with you 100%, but I don't see how lining out that line in this contract is gonna change any of that. I mean, we just need to pay attention and be ready to respond. I find it hard to believe that they aren't gonna want us to be part of whatever the deal is. Why wouldn't they want our $80,000 a year? We just want you to be aware of the potential out there and that. Okay, okay. It's the big thing. Please keep up, if you're attending the meetings, keep us posted on what's going on because to the best of my knowledge, we don't get copies of the minutes of those meetings, do we Sarah? So maybe you should make a point of sharing those minutes with us so we can read them and be aware of what's going on because there hasn't been much in the paper because if it was, I'd see it and I haven't seen anything nor have I heard any rumblings other than from you guys. So I guess the question is guys, they're recommending, I mean, is this a formal recommendation that we line out that? That's a suggestion. I don't think so. This is what I believe in the legal world is called the unilateral contract. They give us the contract and we either sign it or don't. They're not gonna tolerate us making pen and ink adjustments to their contract, I don't think. But when I had called the chief in Montpelier and discussed with them that we had our contracts that were coming up, his response to me was, well in the past we have never discussed this before because I had told him that I would like to discuss being new, the new FASQA director. I said, you know, I'd like to sit down and discuss what has gone on in the past. And he said, well, in the past. And then he said, well, I'll put you in for a meeting. I never heard back to him. So then I read this in the forum the other day and I was like, oh, can I have white-sided by it? Well, I guess unless other board members feel differently, I think we should encourage you to communicate with us and let us know what's going on for sure and get us a copy of those minutes. So we have them in our record here and we've got them on our radar screen and we just all need to pay attention. And if it looks like some kind of a crisis is coming up where they're gonna fail to supply ambulance services to us or to any of the other small towns, that's when we have to kick and fight. But I don't think, I just don't know. I mean, how can any of us know? But I just find it hard to believe that they're gonna drop us like a hot rock. I mean, that doesn't make any sense now. What the expenses are gonna be, as you know, we're dealing with this whole dispatch thing and they want a bunch of money for that and that's been going on forever as well. And maybe it's going ahead, maybe it isn't, we don't know. But we've got that one on our radar screen as well. Well, it's easy enough to forward the minutes on the server. That's not easy. Yeah, that would be good. Okay, well, is everybody in agreement with that? I am. Phil, you're okay with that? Yeah, I am. The only thing that worries me a little bit is that last sub paragraph five. It's just poorly written. And whenever you get into hassles and then trying to interpret the language on something like this, it might be worth having Rob take a quick look at it and see if it raises any red flags for him. I mean, we can do that. I just don't, all they're saying is that they're gonna negotiate in good faith and concert with us. So I don't see how that can be a bad thing. I mean, I think, I don't, it may not be the best writing, but I think the message in the intent is pretty clear. I don't know. I think what Rob would say, and I'm not putting words in his mouth, but I think he would say it means, it says what it means and it means what it says. And how that comes down and how that comes into play is of course gonna be a question mark, but I don't know. I guess, unless any other board members disagree, I would leave this sleeping dog to lie and just make sure that we pay attention to what's going on. And if you have concerns, if you start to hear from your cohorts that there's something going on that we need to know about, please let us know. I mean, you don't have to show up in a meeting. You can send us an email. You can send us a letter and say, hey, you should be aware that this happened or that happened or whatever. And believe me, we'll pay attention. Does that make sense? Okay, thank you for coming. Thank you. Sorry about that. Okay, approving a class one liquor license for the local action likely. So the system now is there, so if you no longer sign anything, you just go to approve it and I go into the portal and click approve. So this is for a class one liquor license and there seems to be some confusion about it, but according to the local, what they really needed is they needed to be able to hold events in this little grotto next to their wine store. So it's a bar restaurant license, but it's just for wine tastings and they might have other events. So that's what they're gonna do. And this is the business that's operating out of the same building as right ahead. Yeah, yes. The wine store down the street. Yeah, it's a nice store. Okay. So because I haven't looked at it. Yeah, there's wine tasting involved in the book signing. I don't know. We'll have to find, if you don't have a class one liquor license, I'm not sure. There's so many conflicts here. But anyway, that's why it's a class one because I called them to say, are you opening a restaurant? Are you opening a bar? What are you doing? So it's basically to give them the authority to serve in a fenced in area or something outside of their shop. Right, right. And actually that's another thing is if they decide to host any events or serve any wine, these events at can be, they can do that. I talked to the Department of Liquor Control and they said they don't need a class license, a class one liquor license for that. And Sam who runs the local said, yes we do, this is what we need to have. So in other words, they're not opening a bar, they're not opening a restaurant. That's what they call the class one liquor license for. Mall for? Does that make sense? Yeah. I don't know. I'm all for wine and beer. Thriving, gentlemen? Thriving business is what we need. We approve the class one liquor license for the local. Is there a second, Randy? Okay, thank you. Well in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay, there we go. It's fell frozen there. Orders are going around. We just need to make sure we get three. I signed. Between the three of us, yeah. Yeah. I haven't gone through all of them yet. One of them, there's an order in there for postage to mail out the ballots. But we're not, we're voiding that check. So. Okay, I already signed that. You already signed it. Yeah, I know, we just found out that we are going to avoid it because with the city's gonna, I mean, the union's gonna pay for it up front and then we're gonna pay the. Wash, wash, wash, wash, wash, wash, wash. Yeah. I have a message. If you guys are ready for discussion, Liz would like me to turn to relay some messages. Sure. Okay, so the first one is that she has not had received any word on the town hall planning grant. The second is that they had over 250 responses to the town hall survey with three times as many comments. Excellent engagement for service. Is that a last minute? And they are coming, our next meeting is when they're coming to present. Yeah, so that should be interesting. If they show up with cans of gasoline and blow torches, we'll know what their recommendation is. Two messages. I think she's stuck in a tarmac somewhere. One or two. Was it, I asked somebody, I think it was Sarah. Me? They said they got 283 responses. She said, Liz said, we had over 250 responses to the town hall survey with three times as many comments. I could forward, if you didn't get a copy of it, I could forward. Three times as many, what, please? So many people must have wrote multiple comments. Multiple comments on it. Yeah, that's all. No, no, no, I don't need anything. I was just wondering, just for clarity, Liz sent it out. Sandy Levine sent it out. And Susan Clark, so does that mean that I could have filled the thing out three times or seven times? Hopefully not. I don't know, how does that work? That's all I wanna know, how does that work? It depends on if it's sent through as an anonymous survey or if your name's attached to it, I'm sure. So if it's tied, if it's. It's tracked by IP address. Oh, there we go. What'd he say? It's tracked by IP address. So if you're bad Malcolm, they know who did that too? Probably. There are no secrets in this world anymore. There used to be, but there aren't anymore. Anything else, Sarah? That's it, those are the two messages Liz wanted me to relay. Okay. So do they have a, have they compiled all of the comments somewhere? Yes, I can send you. I mean, they sent me a copy of the file so I can forward it to everybody. That would be great, yeah. Well, it's gonna be an interesting meeting on the 21st. Anything else, anyone? Okay, thank you all very much. We are adjourned. Whoa. Whoop, look at that. It's time.