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I made a tech pod and we didn't put will Smith So it's not confused anymore, right, right Sometimes I touch the touch the sometimes I have to touch the stove, but for the most part, yeah, I'm good Good yes, we will we will try to fend it fend them off a fast and furious by starting with the quick hits. Oh Wednesday Twitter announced it would shut down its newsletter platform at review early next year Twitter bought review in early 2021 and initially the company added review sign-up buttons to Twitter profiles Then rolled out a feature that allowed users to sign for review newsletters directly from tweets January 18th I have until January 18th to move off of review that I just move on To anyway while meta is pulling back on its connectivity efforts around the world Microsoft is filling the gap Microsoft announced a partnership with the satellite network operator via sat to expand its airband Initiative which works to expand internet access to rural areas Airband will use via sat's network to extend internet access to 10 million people around the world Including 5 million folks in countries on the continent of Africa airband will also provide seed investments for infrastructure projects in Africa as part of a wider goal to connect 250 million people globally by the end of 2025 Security researcher Brian Krebs reported that the user database for the US FBI's Infra guard program appeared for sale online on December 10th The program was designed to build information sharing partnerships between the FBI and private firms Including operators of critical infrastructure Krebs contacted the seller who said that they obtained access by creating a new infra guard account Posing as the CEO of a major US financial corporation The data set mostly reveals emails and phone numbers, but also allowed for direct messaging other infra guard members social US Commerce Department placed the Chinese chipmaker young C memory technologies or YMTC on its entity list Along with 30 other additional Chinese companies are a lot of folks already on that entity list Huawei being the most famous This would bar US firms from selling technology to YMTC without a license on October 7th The US placed YMTC on an unverified list of entities that it was unable to conduct end user checks on to make sure US Based technology wasn't being diverted for military use So it's an escalation of the list that they're on in somewhat related news Nikkei's deal Street Asia Reports that arm has determined it is not allowed to license its most advanced chip designs to China's Alibaba Alibaba, of course, it's like an alphabet except in China as search engines marketplaces all kinds of stuff And arm says due to export rules in the UK and US can't sell its advanced designs to Alibaba Apple released iOS 16.2 Mac OS Ventura 13.1 and watch OS 9.2 The iOS update adds Apple Music sing to the Apple Music app That's the one that lets you turn down vocals on supported tracks for a karaoke like experience Also allows hiding wallpaper and notifications with devices with an always-on display And the updates also add the free format digital canvas app to Macs and iOS devices Letting multiple people collaborate in real-time as well as advanced data protection for iCloud Which expands the data categories protected with end-to-end encryption if your phone can't run iOS 16 Apple pushed the security patches as part of iOS and iPad OS 15.7.2 updates if your device can run iOS 16 You'll need to update to iOS 16.2 to get those patches. Yep. That's what they've been doing lately All right, let's talk about the youths of the world DigiDays work life news highlighted a report from HP called hybrid work. Are we there yet in large part? It was it was about hybrid working but work life noted a couple findings in the report that indicated that younger workers appeared to maybe not be as tech-savvy or tech-confident at least As we thought they would be about all things tech in the way older workers assume Yeah, so HP surveyed 10,000 office workers in 10 markets around the world 20% of those Aged 18 through 29 said that they felt judged when experiencing technical issues compared to 4% of those Older than 40 also 25% of that 18 to 29 year old group said that they would avoid Participating in a median if they felt like their use of tech would disrupt it as in not working properly Compare that to 6% of those older than 40 HP group the findings under the head in tech shame tech shame yikes The conclusion that a lot of folks draw from this is that the tech skills people get from growing up with technology Are not necessarily the same ones needed in the workplace seems logical Making a tick-tock doesn't necessarily make it better making a PowerPoint or operating a zoom call Plus older folks can afford better equipment and better internet connections in work from home situations They you know that can give them a leg up as well Scott. Do you notice this with your own Gen Z kids? Yeah, so my son who's 22 now and just turned 22 this year He definitely shows signs of this I think part of it is he just showed up and it was all in fruition mode like he when he was eight or nine Minecraft just existed. He was a thing you could just jump into and have he didn't see all the steps It took to get to something like Minecraft nor did he see what it took to get to something like a small device in your pocket With a touchscreen he came up with that stuff and so in a lot of ways I think that he just didn't see the underpinning The way that we did we saw it from its inception and it's really kind of dirty implementation of the old days of either the internet or other Technologies and then we went from using our rotary phones all the way up till now And we remember every little stage of what it meant in that transition and I just don't think they have the The the background on it They just see it as what it is and it's the same way I see a lot of things like I look at a Broken furnace or something and I just go I don't know like who's gonna take care of this But my dad and he'd have had it done in five minutes. So I think there's a little bit of that going on and you know I don't think it's Detrimental in terms of like this is a real gonna be a huge issue. I think there's a lot of catch-up that can be done But I think some of us Xers and Jen Millennials and so on it could be a little nicer You know to these up-and-coming kids and just not assume that because they grew up a touchscreen Somehow they're gonna be little tech geniuses That'll help Well And so much of the conversation is like oh well, but the younger, you know, like you're talking about with your son You know in Minecraft It's like the younger kids just don't know a world where this didn't exist so they're just so much better at it and you know, there there is a Under the hood type of thing going on. Yeah, it's like well, do you know how to you know build your own PC? What probably not but there are a lot of people that are Over the age of 40 that can't do that either But I think I think there is a little bit more of a nuts and bolts thing that maybe the younger set just Has never had to deal with I mean it's it's not new for older generations to misunderstand What younger generations are are good at so I look at this report and I'm like, yeah You know what this this this makes sense. My uncle Harold was old enough to drive in 1937, you know when cars were just starting to not be hobbyist things anymore They were just starting to be regular things So of course he loved collecting cars and he knew how every single one of them worked because he had grown up in an Error where you needed to there wasn't a cheap mechanic around every corner like there is now I'm not like that. Even if I do know how to do something on a car I might not because you know, I'll I'll spend my time more efficiently doing something else and Just paying somebody to change that oil or work on those brakes So it's it's similar to that and I think it's a good reminder that oh We're tech is has been a booming long enough that there are folks like like Scott's son Who haven't been forced to go in and edit the text files of civilization in order to make the king of France say something else Yeah, also Shout out to the 18 to 29 year olds who don't participate in the calls if their setup is going to distract from the calls Because like we've all been on the call with with Accounting who's like walking through the subway or something Running next to him some guys cut in concrete. It's I don't want to hear that Yeah, yeah, it's a good good good self-awareness indicator there But I can tell you that like I'm working with him on stuff like his computer is not working or he's got some problem with the way I don't know the way email is coming to him or something these these things come up and he contacts me in the way my mom contacts me and asked me about it and Part of it I can hear in his voice this feeling of like I don't know because they didn't really tell us. Yeah You know and I'm not this is I'm not trying to parlay this conversation into a big condemnation of the educational system But I am saying that because they just got to skip over all of that hard-knock life They don't know what I see Q is they just know their phones work like they don't know so I again I return to this idea. We've got to figure out a way to Be kinder to them because they're just gonna feel bad all the time I think one way to look at it is that technology used to mean a certain set of skills around computers mostly, right? Yeah, and it now means everything everybody has a supercomputer in their pocket for the most part, right? Everyone has at least, you know The ability to visit a library and get access to the internet most people have it in their homes Even if it's just through their phone so take technology out of this conversation to just take the technology out of it And and you get new workers often feel judged by their older workers and are worried that things are gonna go wrong and I'm like Oh, yeah No, I felt exactly that way not necessarily about technology But about other stuff when I was first entering, you know My first jobs and that's that's just the way it goes and back to what Scott's saying about you know Just be nicer to the new folks help mentor them Yep, I remember my dad trying to make me learn how to change the oil in my car We went we went around that dance for about a decade and finally I was like I will never do this ever I will pay whatever someone wants me to pay them to do this for me. Thank you. I still don't know how to do it All right, Bloomberg's mark German has another story out German very good with this stuff So he's right more well more often than he's wrong and German sources are saying that Apple engineers are working on changes to iOS to support alternative app stores and Sideloting in iOS 17 The work is supposedly being done in advance of the EU's Digital Markets Act. Hey a DMA Which applies to tech companies with at least 45 million monthly users and a market valuation of at least 75 billion euros So the big tech companies among other things the act requires these companies to let users install third-party apps on their operating systems By march 6th 2024 The DMA also requires messaging apps with large user bases to interoperate So if you're like, oh, it's that one the one that makes text messaging, you know work with each other and what's happening all that That's the DMA Since the DMA only applies to Europe though German points out that apple might only implement these changes for european customers Unless other countries also implement similar regulations, which could happen So nothing's been announced by apple officially But German sources do say apple is considering mandating security requirements for third-party apps to run on iOS And possibly requiring verification by apple, which would then carry a fee apple also may open its APIs to Have access to cameras NFC Locating devices third-party browser makers may also be allowed to use engines other than webkits The company has apparently not decided how it intends to comply with the DMA's requirement to allow third-party payment systems in apps yet Right now apple lets some media apps include a link To the web for payment info. Netflix can do that It allows some actual third-party payment options for developers in south korea And just for dating apps in the netherlands because the netherlands force them to do it for dating apps In those last two cases apple still takes a slightly smaller cut of the payments as well Even if it doesn't go through the app store and requires the apps to show warning pop-ups Apple also hasn't not made a decision yet on how to let iMessage interoperate with the other messaging platforms like whatsapp But german sources say it is not going to consider rcs Which might be what you were thinking if you're like, hey, that's the carrier standard for multimedia messaging It's what google has been bashing apple over the head to use Uh, it doesn't sound like that's on the menu for whatever reason Will what do you think this if this all ends up being true? And they they do even if it's just in europe allow third-party payments In or third-party apps to side load. What what do you think this could mean for apples app store? I mean, I think the the my first thought is that apple is going to want to dissuade users from doing this So I think the big thing that's going to hit most You know side loading is usually a really small percentage of the market So we're talking probably single digits unless there's some incredible app that comes out that's only side loaded I think the big thing is that it's going to cause apple to maybe change the way they moderate apps on the existing app store To limit some of the stuff to allow some of the stuff that's previously been disallowed and is marginal like You know support for xcloud apps and uh things like you know, maybe fortnight We'll be back on the app store because they don't want to give people an excuse to go out and get out of their ecosystem And increase the support cost for their devices I mean it would be kind of a fun situation if if apple has won the case epics in the middle of paying for an appeal And they just were like here You do third third-party payments Yeah, I was thinking about that very thing because this is all very interesting timing and and literally could do that Like it could end up just making that entire court fight expensive and mean nothing in the end, but I'm interested to see what it means for potentially third-party app stores And what those look like like is a third-party app store some complete other brand that says Hey, we're making like is it good old games compared to steam or the epic store compared to steam on pc's I'm trying to think of with other equivalents Of these alternatives is the other big one, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the idea the idea of that happening isn't crazy on pc obviously because it's a close It's an open system and steam is not demanding people stay anywhere locking people out of computers. They don't have that power but in this case This puts the iphone closer to what certainly what android is and even closer to what pc's are in terms of its ecosystem And what do those look like could they could we see like a really cool app store pop up? That carries a lot of the same apps we're getting anyway, but also has some other advantages Maybe even for gamers Could netflix have their own app store to help bolster their game thing But also do apps like it gets kind of complicated and weird I don't know how many people have belly up to the bar for it But that's a fascinating landscape and i'm kind of here for it I want to see what that is and the more widely used operating system already has it Android right so if you look at that what what that tells you and it could be different on ios Is that you'll get amazon's app store which that'd be fascinating if there was an amazon ios app store And then you'll get some some fun niche app stores out there that that you can you can side load as well And that would be be fun as well I think wash in the wind in our chat room has a really interesting thought what if google brought the play store to ios Oh, man I mean they could it wouldn't they wouldn't be able to necessarily port all the android apps But what if they operated a an alternative app store on ios it'd be interesting sure well Presumably developers are still going to have to be apple developers and do all the normal agreements there to be able to package The apps for for delivery on whatever or to the devices I think it's really interesting on android seems like the most of the market that's doing side loading is people buying devices That have non google app stores though So like things like amazon kindle tablets and stuff like that not You and I side loading apps on our android devices. Yeah, that's that that is the good point Folks if you ever thought about something we're talking about on the show, but you don't know our email address Let me fix that right now feedback at daily tech news show dot com email us Will you have a long history of testing and reviewing pc components and you recently had a blog post about upgrading your pc on the PC world build stream I like how you described your old machine as a ship of theseus. You just replaced so many parts over the years It was not the same pc you started with So I get why you wanted to start over fresh If we went over every piece of the upgrade it might take as long as watching the new avatar movie So we're going to focus just on the main parts Starting with the cpu. What did you choose? It's so when gordon and adam over pc world asked me if I wanted to come in and build a pc with them They at first were like hey, what cpu do you want? And I said literally I this was before the new cpus came out the new rise and and core cpus came out And I said I didn't know like I I have some really unusual use cases. I podcast. I play games I work in in unreal engine fair amount Um, but I don't do a lot of heavy multicore tasks anymore And when the benchmarks came in for the new cpus We kind of got down to it and we're like, okay So you need occasional spikes because you occasionally will you know compressive video compressive audio something that We use a lot of threads But for the most part you want fast single dual maybe quad core performance And and gordon at pc world recommended the the intel processors in that in that case because they spike higher but but for low core low core counts, but They they aren't quite as fast if you're like hitting all of the cores constantly as as the risons are All right, uh, let's talk about the motherboard. What'd you go with there? so My case is why I like white cases. I like white computer hardware So one of the requirements I gave adam when he was picking out parts was was like, hey The see if you find a white motherboard that'd be cool I didn't realize quite what a challenging thing that was because there's only like seven of them on the market for the new processors Uh, the the suce rog maximus z790 apex Is a lg a 1700 motherboard. It's a ddr5 board and it's primarily for overclockers Um, but it also has a couple of interesting features. One of them Is a uh, there's an additional pc i express power connector on the leading edge of the board where like the sata ports and And all of that stuff are and when you plug your power supply into that it turns the front mounted usbc port Into a 60 watt power supply usb pd power supplies You could charge your laptop or your steam deck or like an ipad off of that at full speed Which is nuts like I when they when they describe the feature me. I was like, this is a really goofy feature I'm never going to do this and then 15 minutes after I had the the thing turned on I had plugged a steam deck into it I was like, oh, it's charging at full speed. This is really nice. Um, the The other thing that's awesome about it is it only has two ram slots slots, which sounds like a negative But we wanted high speed memory in this like really high speed ddr5 memory because that Unreal engine games, which I work on on my day job Are really dependent on memory bandwidth performance typically and so having high refresh high high speed memory In force in a fourth slot configuration Is less likely to work reliably than it is if you put it in a two slot configuration Even having just unpopulated ram slots that you're not using makes the cp the system less stable and and then Also having you know higher clock speeds and all that stuff makes the system less stable So the two slot board seemed like the right way to go in this case And uh, and it's worked out really well so far booted up the first time The machine's been running at ddr5 7600, which is not quite the fastest ram you can get but it's really close And we haven't had any stability problems or performance problems or anything like that out of the gate So yeah, I loved your description of being dismissive of that front PCie port and then when you used it going okay, actually that That's kind of cool. Yeah, but yeah, it just seems like a goofy thing like why I don't need I don't I'm never good Maybe I plug my phone in who knows it's where the gamepad gets plugged in or something So yeah, it's it's a it's a surprisingly useful feature. I hope you see it I hope I see it on more boards in the yeah, it's a it's a classic case of of not understanding What what a feature is good for until you actually get a chance to use it I try to try to remind myself of that sort of thing often All right, let's get to the new gpu. What'd you what'd you pick? Well, so I reviewed the 40 90s from nvidia a few months ago when they when they rolled them out and So I had one laying around and I I just took that in with me We chucked that in there because we figured might as well see what happens. It turns out. It's really fast The the the new AMD GPUs the rdna 3 gpus aren't out yet at the time we did the build last week And the 40 80 seems like kind of a fizzle in terms of price to performance Like they it seems like nvidia may have overpriced it a little bit over over what they should have for the For the the speed that the card's capable of and you you're almost always better off spending a few hundred bucks more on the 40 90 If you're going to spend a thousand dollars plus on a gpu The the rdna boards seem really interesting. There's been a lot of rumors about performance this week But the unfortunately the embargoes on that stuff aren't up yet So we don't we don't have real official benchmarks yet When when you get real official benchmarks Uh, would you even consider revisiting this option? Uh, or or are you happy enough with the 40 90 rtx that I I think I could probably settle for the 40 90 r no The so that the AMD cards are Priced somewhere on it seems like they're going to sandwich the 40 80 based on the the rumors that we've seen So we'll see one that's slightly faster one that's slightly slower It seems like the 40 90 is going to remain the the kind of top dog for this generation from from what we've seen Unless unless amd has a last minute surprise And and like we said wil's got a whole blog post on this. There's a pc world build stream But but to finish out here. Tell us what you do with storage Yeah, so um adam when he was expecting this I was like, hey, we're just going to put a bunch of nvme SSDs in here Is this okay with you and I said yeah, I'm fine with that um, we went with the two Two sk hynex platinum 40 p 41 two terabyte drives and then one solid i'm p 44 pro that's a little bit faster than those And um what I did was I set up the c drive on the solid i'm The slightly faster drive and then I've got a big data partition on spread across those other two drives So that I I actually can like I have a data structure for the first time that doesn't have an old folder on it It says stuff from c which is what every computer I've had for the last 20 years has had on it So I I redesigned my storage and backup processes for this for this new machine We talked about on the tech pod this week, uh, which was which people seem to really enjoy So if you're curious about what the approach was there, you can check that out Did you install a gas generator or solar panels to power your nvidia or how are you dealing with that? I don't don't tell gordon because he'll be really upset with me But I've undervolted almost everything just a little bit because it turns out it's fast enough It's fast enough. Yeah, you can always go back if you need it later. Yeah, I need that juice. It's there. All right Saria thirsty I sure am I'm not only thirsty, but I'm wondering what to do over the holidays with my loved ones And if you're also wondering that you might like this next story hard seltzer beverage company white claw And netflix have somehow banded together for a limited edition murder mystery tabletop game called crack the claw Available for a limited purchase now also has official rules a moderator script 10 double-sided coasters that correspond with things like player roles Like moderator vacationers doctor detective, and who's the murderer? Pair players can pair this game with a white claw of their choice. I guess john shea Chief marketing officer white claw usa. Yes white claws sold separately said in an interview that the game is fun And engaging. Oh, well, I'm glad. Oh bad the more white claws you drink the more fun it is more fun engaging against So it's mafia. It's a mafia game. That's fine. You know, I like a good mafia game a little little among us vibe, right? You know, you know, there are white claw fans and I'm you know, I Why not? I'll do it. I don't totally know how netflix gets involved in this but They have that is the weird bit this reminds me of like the 90s and everything red bull was doing with everything Everybody had a deal with red bull and this just feels like oh white claw netflix. That's just weird enough. I guess that works sort of Yeah, don't don't knock flugetog scott. That's all They they allowed a man to jump from the edge of space to the to the the ground. Yeah, that's right Um, yeah crack the claw guys had no idea that netflix would get into not just video games But tabletop games as well. Yeah. Yeah, what's the claws come out? You never know All right, let's check out the mailbag Let's do it. This one comes from paul paul says since there's been so much talk on the show recently about machine learning content generators Like chat gpt and terms of services or to us. I had a thought. Why not combine the two? Maybe a chat gpt like ai could be used to digest a term of service Then you could ask the ai to do things like give me the top five most Important points from this to us or how does this to us affect my privacy rights? paul says, of course, there would probably have to be legal ramifications about how accurate the ai is Since chat gpt is still prone to simple errors, but it could provide a solution to unreadable to us You know what this doesn't solve the biggest problem that we were talking about on this topic Which is why to us is are the way they are like why we can't have a better system for this But I like what paul's saying is like until we do figure all of that out Here's a way that that maybe it could help you figure things out without having to rely on somebody else Need a lot of training need a lot of vetting You know before somebody could could provide this in a way that you could rely on but I like the idea I think there's something there Yeah, I do too There's so much you can do them in gloom about ai the in the moment in my circles Anyway, a lot of artists are really upset. There's that whole mess at art station. There's a lot of weirdness going on But I like when the conversation turns to creative uses of the technology which is here to stay and it's going to keep growing So we may as well start figuring out cool ways to use it and this is a pretty good one I can't tell you the last time I read a whole to s which I think was never I don't think you've ever done it I've tried I've tried to I really I really tried once I went I'm gonna do this because I'm gonna be a smart consumer I got like two paragraphs in realized there were nine left and I went I'm not I'm done I'm out We did a segment on tested briefly that was like, hey, here's what the to s means and we had to stop doing it Because nobody wanted to read the to s's so You know Yeah, let the machines do it. It's not the most fun research. Yeah machine learning This is this is where it's at the only to s. I've read is the original series There you go Oh, also kt data point out it out in our chat room That you know the netflix white claw crack the claw game is related to the glass onion movie Which is a knives out movie So if I thought we mentioned that but in case we didn't yes, that is that is part of the reason that that is coming out got you Well, uh, great reason for us to do the show is having will smith joining us on the show Thanks so much for being here. Well and let folks know where they can keep up with all that you do Thanks, sarah. Uh, yeah, you can find me at tech pod content town Which is where it's the internet home of brad will made a tech pod Well, also on that side is the fos pod, which is our free and open source software thing And then i'm on twitch at twitch.tv slash not that will smith among other places Excellent scott johnson so nice to have you as well. Let folks know where you There they can keep up with your latest. 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