 I'm going to call the emergency meeting to order. It is 10.03 or so. Thank you, everyone, for coming on a Saturday morning at the last minute. We're here to, first of all, see if there's any public comment for items not on the agenda or addition or changes to the agenda. OK, we have with us an attendance in person, our Scott Bassett and Barbara Butler. I don't know. Probably you guys can't see them any more than you can see us. All right. So the governor ordered on Monday, June 14th, the governor lifted the state of emergency for the COVID-19 crisis. And that means that, effective immediately, public bodies or municipalities need to go back to in-person meetings. There is the opportunity still, as there was before the pandemic, to have in-person meetings plus have it set up so that people could attend remotely. So I think that, given what we've all learned over the course of this at least past year, that some people would rather attend remotely. It's more convenient for them. For me, I could go from one Zoom meeting to another and do three back-to-back Zooms all at once, and I'll run after the other. So that was exciting. But now we are going to have to come back to meeting. And we want to open up the town hall to reuse by the public for public meetings. The upstairs portion is not yet ready to be open for private events. That still has to be worked out with the friends of town hall. And I know that they're working on it, and we'll have a proposal for the select board at some time in the very near future. So I think today the meeting can be very short. We just have to put on the record that we're reopening the town hall for use by public bodies. One of the things that I noticed is there's a large pile of gravel out there that we need to get the road crew to move. So that's something we need to do. And we need to talk about cleaning. If there's going to be a lot of people using the hall, we need to talk about who we're going to get to do cleaning, what that schedule is going to look like. Is it every other week? I don't know. I know the town office staff was looking at possibly contacting Amy Rowell, who used to clean out the town office. It sounded like between your and Judy's exchanges that's what's going to happen. OK, so that hasn't happened yet. But that's something that you're working on every weekend. OK. So you and Judy are working on that. Good morning, in person. OK. I know, right? Yeah. I haven't changed that much. But I guess I've changed almost a year and a half's worth. Yeah, we all have. So we were just getting started, Sharon, this much, other than that we're reopening the hall. We need to come up with Barbara and Judy are checking on somebody to do some cleaning. There's the pile of gravel that needs to be moved. Cliff is going to talk about this owl system. You want to talk about that? Yeah, if we're going to go to a hybrid model where the select board is meeting in person as they normally would, but we want to be able to have a Zoom option simultaneously, then I would recommend the select board invest in a video conferencing system. It's called Owl Pro. It cost about $1,000. It's a device that, oddly enough, looks like an owl. Owl Pro. Owl Pro. Oh, Pro. And it would sit in the middle of the table. It has built-in microphone and speakers. So the audio quality on it is really good. The camera is at the top of the device, and it actually recognizes what someone's speaking and pivots around 300 in 60 degrees. So that'll keep people from talking all at once. Well, it gets a little confused if people are talking over each other, but it does pretty good. I've used them before. They work remarkably well. You do need to have a smart device when you first visualize and set the thing up. After that, you can plug it in, have it broadcasting to the monitor, and then it's virtually like everybody's in the same room. How? Paul, John, that door doesn't open. No, it's locked. It's locked. Oh, it is. I tried to use it, and it wouldn't work. So where does one get this from? You can order directly from the company to any kind of system. It takes about two weeks to get it. So there. So you can broadcast, sign more, see me as me. When it's from a meeting, it's just basically a video. Glad you didn't do that in front of the camera. I'll sit over here. It's fine. What? Nothing's on. Good morning. We're just glad you didn't just robe in front of the camera. That's all. My house is 60 degrees inside. 77 outside. I know. I know. It's fine. So Mike, so how does it? This is weird. So Cliff, I understand the little guy sits, the owl sits in the middle, and pivots around when we're speaking. And it's broadcasting simultaneously to Stephanie and Katie. Yeah, as well as to the screen. Right. And then how are Stephanie and is it literally Zoom? So they are participating through a Zoom format, and we can see. Right. So just imagine if we had the device hooked up right now, and it was sitting in the table like this, then you started speaking. The camera at the top would pivot around towards you, and they would just see you on the screen. OK. And then if Denise started talking, it would pivot around, and they'd just see Denise. How quickly does it pivot? Just like pretty quickly. And if you're using it in conjunction with your smart device, you can manually do it as well. So if it's not tracking quickly enough, you can just scroll across your smart device and tell the camera to pivot around. But it's using Zoom. They don't use any conferencing system. OK, so Stephanie and Katie are having a Zoom experience, and we're able to see them. Yes. And they can see us. And they can see us. So it's like it's a step. It's two or three steps better than, you know, John's laptop has got Zoom on it, and we're kind of passing that. Or this option that we're doing here, which is, you know, like if John wants to talk, then I've got a pivoted manual here around to him. Gotcha. Or if you want to see my ugly monkey. It seems like if it was oriented off one end, then it would only be sweet with a few degrees. As long as the mic, then right. Just like in the regular Zoom meetings, definitely. Yeah. Just raise your hand or something. Yeah. Yeah. It actually has, I think, like three cameras on top, so it doesn't rely upon just the one camera. Oh, OK. That's pretty cool. OK. How many monies? $1,000. $1,000. $1,000 here, $1,000 there. Yeah. So that sounds like something we need to do right off. I can probably put it up and show you what it looks like. That's a huge benefit. It is. Is that mic remote on it? So if we did put it off to the end of the table, so it was just. It's all built into the device. Oh, so would it pick up if it was, say, you know. Yeah, it's really accurate. So then it would only be scooping a couple degrees. Yeah. Sweet. It's amazing how people have come up with all these things over the last, maybe it always, maybe it's not new, but who knew? We were going to do stuff like this. They've had it for a while, then they launched the Alpro. Just about the time that the pandemic broke. Like Zoom, it was 1,000 perfectly. Wow. And then we get stock in this. Did you have to buy stock in this? Right, there you go. Take 1,000 for it and 1,000 in stock so we can pay for all of our buildings. For a long time, you couldn't even get them. You couldn't get them? Yeah, because they were backward. They were that popular. So Cliff, my next question is, if we move forward and get one of these, will you be our tech point person to past your June 30 until somebody else learns to run the thing competently? I can get you going, yeah. That's not a problem. Yeah. It sounds like we're going to have to teach. It isn't. It's really intuitive. It sounds like we're going to have to teach each board, commission, and committee somebody on each one of those. We can even work out some instructions and how to use it. We need a, actually, I have a thing out. We're going to need a new tech person. We're not going to have somebody of Cliff's level. But I'll, Cliff, I want volunteering to be the person you train to. And then when I hit road bumps, I'll just call you as a citizen and say, Cliff. Well, maybe he could be appointed to our new tech position that we're going to create during this year. Yeah, I would suggest that. We can hang our standard $20 an hour away. Well, that would work, too. But I'm assuming that Cliff doesn't want to keep being the board's tech person. But if you do, I'm all for that. Well, what I was going to suggest is that in that shopping list that you're building for your administrative support person, that'd be one of the qualifications. Absolutely. We don't have that person yet. So what I mean, really, today's meeting is about reopening the town hall. Today's meeting is really about opening the town hall and we go about doing that. So how do we have a meeting if the building isn't open until we officially open it? I guess we go out in the parking lot. So we're not really here. Yeah, we're not. It's a figment of your imagination. This is just one of those Zoom backdrops that looks like we're here. But until we get somebody on board, are you willing to be that person at like $20 an hour until we get things figured out? Cliff, yes, that's toward you. OK. So there's a picture of it. You can see it actually looks like an owl. It has eight microphones built into it, an 18-foot audio pickup radius. OK, so like right now, when you're doing this, can the Zoom people see this? They will in a minute. Hang on, bear with me. Well, if you test me. Hold on, it's coming. Here we go. Oh, there you go. Cool. I wonder, is it having remote audio port on it? Or is it just off like you said? I think it might have a jack on it so you could port the audio out to if we had a full sound system in here, for example. But the audio on it is incredible. Like I say, I've used it. And I did some volunteer work for a group. And they were having a statewide conference with people calling in from all over the country. And it was flawless. Just flawless. And so we're still using, let's just say, a Zoom format. And we bought the license, so I guess why wouldn't we? But then, so when Stephanie asked her question a few minutes ago, I heard like this little fuzz coming out of your computer. But if you could hear her better. But once we have that, is the audio coming through the device and going into the device? So the better quality. So the lower part of the owl there, below its eyes, you are speakers. And once again, they go all the way around. Yeah, OK. So I have a question for Orca. Will you still, are you going to start coming back in person to meetings? You are, OK. And not just call us, right? I mean, you guys now with Zoom, you've been covering other towns as well, East Montpelier. I'll be covering this girl on Monday. And East Montpelier. So probably the Jerome will be coming. We're even resuming. OK. Yeah, good. Good. Are you covering, is somebody covering East Montpelier now? I'm not to my knowledge, but I don't believe that's an Orca's district. I believe Montpelier is another. No, East Montpelier. They never opted to have Orca. Another degree. Right, just for the record. It's just a matter of public coverage, I guess. I think it's been helpful. Yeah, usually I did the state house before being shut down. So I didn't do all that. Yeah, right, yeah, right, OK. All right, so what we need to do today is to officially put on the record that we're opening the town hall for use by public bodies, that's municipal groups, to use the town hall. We need to figure out scheduling for the use of the town hall before when we were meeting. I mean, we kind of knew select boards every Monday night. Don't schedule anything else. I understand there's a way to have a calendar to sync. That how does who manages that and how does it work? So for municipal purposes, everyone who wants to conduct a meeting here, whatever commission, board, committee, they'll work through the town clerk's office, notify the town clerk's office. And whether it's the town clerk or the town clerk wants to have someone else assigned to do that, or assist a town clerk, or maybe Katie, maybe managing the calendar, it'll be on the town calendar on the website as what we used to do. And of course, you publish a snapshot of the calendar, put it on the court board there in the office as well. When the friends gets going and we expand the use of the hall to non-municipal purposes, then the friends will appoint an events coordinator who will start booking things onto the town hall events calendar. This will be separate from the town's calendar. That events coordinator will also then notify the town clerk's office so that the town clerk can make sure that whatever event is pre-booked or formally scheduled gets on the calendar so everybody has the visibility to see that. Ultimately, what we hope we can achieve, it's just a matter of working out the details, because you can synchronize multiple calendars to each other. So once the friends group has their calendar up and running, then they would coordinate with Katie or the town clerk or whoever is in charge of the calendar to be able to synchronize. So when the town clerk enters something into the town calendar, it appears on the events calendar. When the events coordinator puts something on the events calendar, it appears on the town calendar. Oh, cool. In the initial phase, though, they will manually have to make a point. We're not going to make it mandatory that the town clerk monitor the events calendar. We're going to make it that the event coordinator has a responsibility of notifying the town clerk's office of any events that they're scheduling. Until we get this thing done. And that way, as far as anyone who's serving in the municipal function, they only have to look at the town calendar. OK, good. All right, so because this space will be the dedicated town space of no overlap to the events calendar. That's right. And it always takes priority. So starting, I guess, effective immediately, folks are going to have to notify the town office to put things on the calendar. And do they contact you, Barbara? Or just contact you and Judy? Each committee and commission chair kind of picks and chooses who they want to notify. Some people go to Judy. Some people come to me. I suspect some people go to Katie. But any one of us can do it. It would be nice if it was this one central person. But it's going to be a snatch of whoever any committee commission chair chooses to contact. Is it worth having something like a town hall calendar or a Genshi mail or whatever? So any of those requests go to one location for you so there's no confusion with that algorithm? Up until now, they've gone to whoever the committee chair contacted, either me or Judy. Or perhaps Katie and Ditsa, I don't know. And that works OK? You don't? That works OK? Yeah, because as long as it gets on the calendar, we all know it. Right. So regardless of who puts it on. So it's not broken. We don't need to fix it. Yeah, good. OK. So ideally, what I think maybe what we could do is an email could go out by Monday to all the committee commission chairs saying, would you please send us your upcoming six month calendar? And if XYZ committee is going to continue meeting on the third Thursday of every month, we'll just go ahead and right now put that in for the next six months. So we know they would only need to contact us if that schedule for them changes. So we don't. I would have assumed that the calendar is current in a Zoom environment. But am I hearing that? I don't think it's six months out. I think it's been as each committee commission chair has contacted us, just because it's been so slow and disorganized. So right now, I don't think there's more than June. OK, but there is. We have some fashion still been used in the calendar. There's not meetings happening on the calendar. The commission board's committee's agenda is on the calendar. And you just click on it to get the Zoom info. So now there won't be this. Well, maybe there's still going to be Zoom info if we do hybrid. So that kind of becomes the bigger question in the OWL solution is let's say that's a month out. So we still have what literally what does the next? I think the next step looks like I didn't get a chance to finish what I was saying. So in the meantime, do we have a computer, a town computer that could be used for whoever is having the meeting to do what you're doing now, Cliff? We have a guest computer. But is Judy still utilizing it to work for them? We have a public laptop that's kept in the vault for research. I think that's the only mobile, non-dedicated. So maybe we could use that in the interim. Yeah, I would think we could use that one in the interim. Also, Katie, what happened to the laptop that you used now? It's getting used frequently in the vault. So committee commission chairs would need to be responsible for coming to get it when the town office is open. Right, we need one we can have here. I think. So a good question, Cliff? There is Katie. The laptop that we just replaced, what happened to the old one? OK. Well, let's hold off on that. Because I know that there was a secondary laptop that Sandra was using from time to time. And she's not using that anymore because we got her a dedicated laptop. So there are at least two devices floating around that we could look to press into service. And if need be, I'm sure RB Tech could come up. That could be our fallback option is RB Tech. I'm sure it could provide us with something. They wouldn't have to be high to be horsepower. The owl, once we have it, doesn't need to connect to a device. It's connected. It's directly to the monitor. You want it to connect to the monitor up there. But that's all it needs. And it needs to be connected to the internet. And then you synchronize it through the smart device. So it thinks, though, to Zoom or... What is the smart device? It goes without. It could be an iPhone. Oh, so it does need a device. Yeah, to get it going. So is the best way to do that using one of these laptops? Once we get it going, we can do it with the laptop. But when I first set it up, I'll have to use either my iPhone or my iPad to initialize it and train it to recognize our network and get onto the monitor and whatnot. Once I've got all that set up, it's pretty easy because then you just plug it in the laptop, turn everything on, and it's off and running. So there's not a lot of process involved for anyone, any of the committees that would want to use it. So Cliff, why would you need to use your iPad or smartphone? Is it because I didn't see that the owl is an Apple thing? It could be any smart connected device. A smart, but so here's where my head is. If we're over time going to be transitioning to a town laptop, then, and that's not a smart device, then when there's upgrades to the owl software or whatever, I'm just wondering whether that's all going to be a barrier. No. The purpose of the smart device is so you can first get it up and running, mainly to connect it to the Wi-Fi network. And then you can disconnect? It doesn't have any keyboard or anything on it. You can't type in a password, say, we'll recognize this network and then type in a password. You have to connect to it with a smart device, download their app, use the smart device to initialize it, and say, these settings, and after that, it's off and running. And then using the smart device to control it is optional. So then how are the different boards, committees, and commissions going to be able to use that somebody on each one of those will have to use their smart device? They'll plug into the computer that we have here for meeting purposes. That computer will be connected to the owl device. And it's just off and running after that. You just turn it on. Does that, theoretically, like if they met at some of their location, if they actually made that smart link for that local Wi-Fi connection, would they be, would that automatically sync between it? Would you have to switch? I think it can hold a few different hotspots in memory. So it would automatically switch you in after this. Right, so for some reason, you needed to have it over at the town office. Right, that's what I'm thinking, like your town office. School. Yeah, are you waiting to see Brooks Dunn? You know, school, you know, there's certain places in town that I can see we want to have. Well, I think that would be up to the school to do that. You know, Sharon's opted to volunteer to have me train her. You could certainly use your smartphone to control it if you need. Right, well, but then Denise said, no, no, no, not Sharon. We're going to pay you to do it. So, so. Initially, but then somebody else was going to be out. I think initially we get Cliff to help set everything up in order. So here's where I was just going to go. These things we all know are glitchy, right? How many times have you set your iPhone up when your home internet and it forgets or who knows what happens? Two times. Yes, how many times? Yeah, all the time. All the time. And so the bottom line is, you know, we can't solve for every little it's supposed to behave like this and it doesn't. So we're just going to have to muddle through. Yeah, we'll figure it out. It sounds like it sounds like a good solution. But yeah, so we were on kind of what does the next one month look like right before we have that. And and my other question is, and I know Stephanie has a question. Which boards? Literally, which boards is that we can say that the town hall is open for meetings and it has to be open for meetings because open meeting law applies now. But which boards and commissions are within our authority to say this is how you're going to do it? I'm not I'm not it's it's in answer to your question. It's any of the boards, committees and commissions where we make appointments. OK, so it's so it's like the DRB, the conservation commission. Even the ones where we appoint because the tech because nobody volunteered to run. Are some of the same boards and commissions and committees that existed before the covid shutdown? I mean, it would apply to cemetery to even though they're elected because they're a public, a municipal body. So it's any municipal body. I get that. My question, though, is the is, you know, we're talking about what our solution the long term is. And we're going to have to talk about our one month solution. But are we necessarily positioned to say to everybody, this is exactly the solution you're going to use. We probably can't tell the Cemetery Commission. No, they can. But we can't everybody have their peril choose not to be at a step. I think that most of the boards and committees and commissions would welcome it kind of being all the same so that people learn the process. And I'm not saying they wouldn't. I'm just I'm just wanting, you know, to be aware of where the clear lines of authority are. Well, and it goes back to just the same as it was before covid where the select board, for instance, says this is where you will post it agendas kind of thing. Because you want to say something? Yeah, I would propose that if we decide and agree to invest in this device, I would propose that we use our select board meetings as our test grounds to work out all the kinks. Once we've done that, then we can extend it to the other. Well, the select board extended to the other committees. Well, and before the covid shut down, the option of having a meeting also be able to be attended remotely was always an option. We just never had that because we didn't need to. But now it seems like that's something we're after. So it seems to me like within the next month until we get this set up, people would just go back to meeting the way they used to. And when we get this set up, then we can offer that as an option if they want to do that. So in the meantime, we meet here. And if people want to join us, come join us. To be clear, the quorum has to be physically present. So three of us has to be, and if two of us were remote in Chicago, California, or something, we could do that too. So it's quorum is physically present. I don't think that's right from what I read. It's what I read. There has to be one person. There has to be a quorum present, but they don't have to be in the same quorum. They can be a Zoom. You just have to have somebody here to let the public attend the meeting. So we could still do everything in the mode as long as there's an opportunity for somebody to be here to set up the meeting so that a member of the public could attend. Wow, wow. And a member of the public would, I mean, then that's where you lead into the question of, well, what if the member of the public wanted to participate on Zoom? But I like Denise, I like the solution of, nope, we're not doing that. We're gonna just, I mean, I'm fully vaccinated. I'm guessing probably everybody is. Well, now I don't think everybody is. Well, that's, you know, and some people have a reason for not being. Right. And a very legitimate reason. Well, like the food stores, I mean, and other proprietors, it's gonna have to be an honor system and let's hope that people, you know, we're all vaccinated, our risk is. Okay, Stephanie's still waiting to ask a question. Stephanie. Right, right, because the governor's office failed to give us time to have come up with a solution to going back to meeting in public. Yes, yep. Why would you need to? I wish you had a big room maybe. Well, if you had a larger venue that you wanted to set up and had more then required greater than an 18 foot radius for people to be able to speak and be heard, then you would synchronize another outland and have it at opposite ends of the larger room that you're in. For instance, if we had town meeting up in the gym. Yes, the school. You'd probably need at least two, probably, right? Yeah, she's only got an 18 foot radius. Good question. It's a function of how many people can sit around in a circle within an 18 foot radius of the owl. It sounds like it's like, like think the old speakerphone that sat in the middle with the little arms coming out. I call it the Star Trek though. Yeah, no, those spiders. So yeah, so it's like that. It's like, if you can get your voice heard, if you can get your mug in the way, then you're in. Katie had a question. Go ahead, Katie. What's the thing you thought? From my point of view, it is problematic trying to participate in the meeting and run the camera, pan it around to see everyone. As well as the audio quality that we're experiencing in this room is less than ideal. Right, yeah, yeah. You guys are hard to hear because you're coming through the little computer. And if there were more... You're going to have to stop right in the camera. But if there were more people here, then I'm imagining that it would be even harder to hear you guys. Because there would be more paper shuffling and more chairs. We'd put speakers up to that. I mean, it seems to me, we just go ahead with this owl. Yeah. It's $1,000. If we can get reimbursed later, great. If not, I appreciate your thoughts, Katie, and that's something to think about. But I think we should just go ahead and get this owl, get things set up, get things synced, and go from there. I agree with that. $1,000 is a lot, but it's not mind-numbingly expensive. And I kind of feel like we could end up spending inordinate amounts of time fussing with the technology. Katie and Stephanie are our friends, and they can hear us well, but the solution might be frustrating for other people. And we can't hear you as well. That is absolutely true. Yeah. I agree with that totally too. I mean, I think it serves not only the COVID need, the risk for people that aren't not doing it, but also just increases the accessibility for people that have trouble getting here. Right. I really like that. And to make this as easy. I'm thinking especially in the winter. Yeah, yeah. In the winter, we might have one person come in and set up and run the meeting from here, and the rest of us can be on Zoom. Okay. Just fine. So that we're not taking up everybody's Saturday too much. I wanted to see if Fletcher or Scott had anything you wanted to say? I'm here for a cemetery question which is meeting next Wednesday. Yeah. I'm assuming we'll just come in and meet and we'll let you do the test run over the next month. Right. So we'll just meet for our agenda and public notifications. We'll just say we're meeting here. We'll meet at that. Yeah. Over the weekend, I will send an email out to all of the committees, commissions, boards, whatever, chairs and vice chairs and let them know about using the space, give them the code to get into the key box. And then it's, and also reminding everybody that it's their responsibility to make sure they clean up after themselves, which I'm sure everybody will. And what the plan is going forward. And we're off and running. Scott, did you have anything? Happy Juneteenth, June 19th. I know it's an official holiday. Yeah. It's all right for them and equal rights. Yeah. So we are, so our, where the town hall is officially open for, as of now, for municipal meetings. Right. Municipal uses as I said on the agenda. Yep. And we are, we're probably gonna do a motion. Can we do a motion today to order the owl or do we have- Yeah, we can. Yeah, I would suggest. I'm not sure if the shipping is included in the $1,000 price tag. I don't know if there's other peripheral cabling or something that I'm not thinking of right now that we might need to purchase. So I would make a motion to authorize for an amount, not to exceed $1,500 for the purchase and set up of an owl pro device. I will- Was that, you were making that motion. I would, I'm happy to act and coordinate with SAMDA to get this on order. Right through the town credit card. Yeah, yeah. Right, so the, yeah, so that makes sense. And the motion is that we are, we are delegating to Cliff the, to purchase the owl pro. Yeah, yeah. So maybe it's better if somebody else makes that motion. Well, yeah. So it is, it's $999 at B&H photo free shipping. There you go. You'll have about a 23rd if we order today. So, yeah, so I'll take ownership of the motion that we're going to authorize Cliff to work with SAMDA to order the owl and whatever peripheral equipment we need up to $1,500 without coming back to us. I'll second that. Yeah, all right. Good, we'll get additional speakers. Oh, now we can just tell you, we don't have to do individual. Everybody is- So I'd like to amend that in the event that the owl isn't allowed enough to speakers on that little thing to project that we authorized the office staff in Cliff to add additional speakers if it falls under 1,500, which it will. Okay. Yeah, okay. All right, are you ready to take a vote? Everyone in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, the motion carries. I forgot how to do it in person. So I move that we- I know. I move that we, I make a motion. I'll be re-open the town hall downstairs of the town hall for official town business. Municipal functions. Municipal functions that would not include private or on a case-by-case, we would also allow private functions on a case-by-case review by- No, we're not ready for that. No, we're not ready for that. No, no, no. Okay, I came in. Okay, just for municipal functions. Right, we need to do the agreement with the friends. We also need to approve our usage policy. Okay, okay, okay. And that will review our regular meeting on the 28th. Okay. And it's quite a bit more evolved than the previous simple policy that we had. So I'll get that out to everybody so you have a chance to read it prior to the meeting. Yeah, that'd be great. Correct. Okay, Sharon, you had got to see a sneak preview of it. I worked in your edits and tried to address some of the- Well, we know what those were. I had some concerns. I can recent Sharon's document as well because you also had some comments that weren't necessarily edits, but I figure you could just bring that up. Yeah, I sent it to everybody. Yeah. I'll just use it so that everybody doesn't have to go digging for it. Yeah. Well, I was gonna ask, Do we have to build anything out about the cleaning? I think we just need- Let's do that later. Let's look at the document and see. Yeah, Cliff probably thought of everything. Oh, I know what I was gonna ask. Are we having a big meeting on the 21st with the friends? Is that on? No. No, okay. Are we doing a big meeting with the friends ever? Yes. On the 28th. So at the last regular, well, no, no. At the last regular meeting, I shared with the board that the friends, because we were working on that grant, we were still trying to finalize the proposed management agreement and rental agreement. And what we would do is get those documents finalized ready to present to the board. And then at that point, we'd come to the board and say, okay, we're ready. Let's pick a date. Okay. And on the 28th, what we'll be doing is looking at the usage policy. The town hall usage policy, which is different. That is a document that the select board controls and deals with the friends group likely will attend that meeting just so if there's questions, peripheral questions related to the PDE management and rental agreement in conjunction with this usage policy, there's people that will be able to answer those questions who aren't made to cliff evidence. Great. Barbara, you had a comment? I do have a question. And it is related to what John started to say about other groups on a case by case basis. So prior to COVID, there were other policy based groups that even though they're not official town committees or commissions were kind of treated that way for the purpose of being able to meet at the town office. And I'm thinking of specifically the Robinson Sawmill folks, the Callis Historical Society, the Callis Democratic Committee, they all had open invitations to schedule their meetings at the Callis town office. And so as soon as they hear this, they're gonna be calling and asking if they can meet here. So I'd like to know how we can inform them. So maybe we can say that groups other than municipal bodies that were using the town hall or town office prior to COVID would still be able to, would again be able to use the downstairs portion for meetings. That's up to you. If you guys want to just limit it to municipal to the Robinson Commission, that's fine. I just want to be able to know how to answer them when they start calling. Yeah, it's easier right now to do that. It is easier and they don't have to, I mean, we love them and they're all friends, but they don't have to comply with open meeting law. And that's our reason. And I feel like let's go in baby steps and get our usage policy in place. That's I think a really easy answer. The select board is taking baby steps. We don't even have a usage policy yet. We are opening it for town groups only so that they can comply with open meeting law. Okay. Thank you. I just wanted clarification on that. That makes sense. Thank you. Yeah, I agree. All right, and I have a few other, just a little minor questions just to make sure we think about it. So you already talked about housekeeping and cleanup. And so I would like to suggest that perhaps we put signage in the kitchen that tells people that these dishes are not necessarily clean because even though they were cleaned thoroughly when they were put in there. Little critters come and say it might be mud melts, melts, and so I don't think we want to have to be responsible for washing them every week. So I think as long as it's okay with you guys, we just put a little sign up there that if you choose to use one of these dishes, wash it before and after use. Are you willing to make those? Are you willing to do that? I'll do that as long as that's okay with you guys. Yep, that'd be great. And then there are, knowing how meetings used to happen over at the town office, there are committees and commissions that would regularly bring snacks, which was fine, but whenever Judy and I would get to the town office the next morning, we would need to clean up after them. There was popcorn and cracker crumbs and all kinds of things all over the floor. So we'd clean up after them with vacuum and so forth, but there's not going to be anybody here to do that. Well, I think we're gonna make it clear in our reopening email that you have to clean up after yourself. There's nobody's mother here to help you. Okay, it's long. But I think we're just gonna place that. So when somebody has, or just bring no food into the building. Well, I think that we can see how it goes. Okay. And if it becomes a real problem, then we'll have to make a change. But, and you can let us know. I think one thing that you guys could be really clear about, this could be, you know, and I trust you, but I was thinking a sign that would be cold. And I thought, no, Barbara will make the sign and it won't be cold. That says, you know, Barbara and Judy don't want your leftover snacks. Thank you anyway. Right. Are you gonna, are you saying this in coordination with reopening the town office for use? Are you, is Judy- I'm just talking about the town office. My understanding is that all meetings will be here and not at the town office. Right, right. It's not just possible. But who will come the morning after meetings? I see your point. Do you check and make sure there's no- I don't think anybody. Right. So we are gonna need a, you know, don't leave your snacks. Your mother isn't here. The mice are. Please clean up. Okay. And as long as we, they understand that if they do bring snacks and not just leave them. Right. But just if any drop on the rice, we could- We can make sure that there's a broom and a dustpan handy. If there isn't one, can we please buy one and make it- Vacuum. And- We have, we have brims and dustpans in the broom closet right back there. But I'm thinking maybe we put one out where it's more visible. Yeah. I don't know how to do that. And say, you know, this is for cleaning up your crumbs. Well, and honestly, a vacuum, I mean, I don't know. I live in an 1850 farmhouse. And so does John. No, my dad's in 42. Okay. Well, whatever. We all live in old houses. So even the crumbs in the trash is, you know, sometimes I go into Maple Corner Community Center and I'm astonished at what, it's all in the trash, but it's in the trash. It's still there. It's still there, right? So I think we do, I think we have to say that they have to do a- Carry and carry out- Take trash with you. Take your trash with you. Don't leave it here because there's nobody to monitor the trash. One thing we can look at too, I mean, I know what we do is do it in the state as well. Sometimes we have a circumstance like this. Yeah, you deal with that. I mean, I handle genitorial contracts and everything. And so we, you know, if we have, usually like we're gonna have, probably have somebody cleaning this since say once a week or- Every little once. There's a lot of me, whatever it is, depending on the frequency, and usually in that you've got a clause in those contracts for call-in. And maybe we say, you know, if we find out that space is left, and a mess and it requires a call-in, they are responsible for picking up that clause. Maybe that goes into a- Well, I don't- I'm just saying, I, you know, it's a disincentive to leave messages, I'll tell you. Well, I think that's something we can talk about when we're reviewing the usage policy because we may want to put something in there. Like writing a clause in there. But I think for right now to get started, some of this is gonna be trial and error, just like the technology, just like scheduling stuff on the calendar. I think it's gonna be a little bit of trial and error and see kind of how it goes. So there's a motion on the table that's being amended? For what? Amended how? To allow for the additional uses beyond municipal uses that were historic uses over the clerk's office. No, that was a question. It was a question. It was a question, okay. I thought it was an agreement that we were gonna do that. No. That was a proposal or not. I thought it was really clear. So the motion, Katie, can you read back the motion? Okay, but the motion itself is just to open the usage of the ground floor of the town hall for municipal purposes. All right, and I guess, was there a second? If not, I'll second it. Sure, you second it. I did, all right. I didn't remember. I don't even, okay. All right, are you ready to take a vote? All in favor, please say aye. Yes. Any opposed? Hearing none, motion carries. And I think with that, we could be done unless this is what this meeting was just about, nothing else. Move to adjourn. Second. Yep. All right, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye, aye. Thank you, everyone. For your Saturday morning, wasn't this fun?