 The past 10 days I've wanted to stick my head in an oven, but if I wait another week I'm pretty sure Stephen Bannon will do it for me. Yeah, I'm glad my grandfather isn't alive to see Trump in the White House because my grandfather was a f***ing asshole who would have probably voted for Trump. You okay? You all right? We're gonna start the show. Take deep breaths. Come on. Take deep breaths. It's gonna be okay. Make soup. Go to fivecalls.org. Anxiety is anger turned inward. It's okay to be angry. Don't take it out on yourself. Go to fivecalls.org. Are you eating okay? Are you eating the right food? Are you going for walks? Are you turning off your social media? Are you turned off the TV? Are you listening to music? Are you hanging out with friends? You can't have the TV going all day. Now here's an idea. Put on your headset. Go do the dishes. I'll wait. Do a wash. Go do the wash you're supposed to do. Put on your sneakers. Go for a walk. Go for a drive. Just don't fill up at ExxonMobil. Just, you know, because we're not gonna talk about that right now. Take deep breaths. We're gonna start the show. Okay? Everybody okay? We got through 9-11. We've been here before. We're stopping Trump in his tracks. We're fighting him on day one. We are. But you got to stay focused. Okay? Fivecalls.org. It's gonna be okay. Don't be angry at yourself. He lost the popular vote by three million. We didn't do this. We didn't want this. We have institutions, but we have to hold them accountable. Subscribe to The New York Times. Support Real Journalism with your money. Don't fill up at ExxonMobil. Go to fivecalls.org. They will give you a script. You will be told which senator or congressperson to call. Five minutes. Five minutes a day. Five calls. Channel your anger productively. And protect yourself. Take deep breaths. Right? Don't eat garbage. Make soup and go for a walk. Get a broom. Get a vacuum cleaner. Start sweeping. Clean your space. Make soup. All right? Okay. Now we're gonna start the show. Maybe Donald Trump would consider hanging himself to heighten my orgasm. Folks, American decency must be spinning in its grave right now. This travel ban, I'll tell you what. We'll give immigrants that test to determine whether or not they're Christian just as soon as Donald Trump can pass it. That is why, until Donald Trump is impeached, I, David Feldman, self-identify as Muslim. I am a Muslim now because religion is fluid. Yes, religion is fluid, much like Trump's face after the Russian hooker has finished urinating on it. Welcome to the broadcast. I'm David Feldman. DavidFeldmanshow.com. Please friend me on Facebook. Follow me on Twitter. Do all your Amazon shopping via the David Feldman show website. We have a lot of show today, but there's a lot of news going on. Tina DePuis, she just finished up a job working as communications director for a progressive congressman who didn't get reelected. We're not going to mention his name, but Tina has been published in The Atlantic, The LA Times. She's a syndicated columnist. She's also a comedian, a comic. She's a comic. Terrific insight into what they're thinking up on the hill and why you should be calling your congressman and senator and faxing them. Go to fivecalls.org, the number five calls.org. They will tell you who to call and what to say. It's so simple. Five minutes, five calls every day. Nick Malin is back. I didn't have enough time for him last week, and he was kind enough to return and talk about freedom of speech with me. An old friend of mine from Fox News Radio comedian Barry Weintraub, and I discuss how we got here via talk radio. What happened to radio? Barry Weintraub is in the trenches over at Fox News Radio. He tells us why we are where we are and the dangers of radio, why the richest 1% are so afraid of radio because it's the most powerful medium out there. It's more powerful than writing. It's more powerful than television. The richest 1% in America controls radio because we get inside your head. Radio is dangerous. Barry Weintraub joins us. Comedian PJ Landers, Tanner Catton. He's a brilliant comedian. He also joins us. Now, originally this show was going to be a round table, but we had technical difficulties. Yeah, so we staggered the guests. It's all one-on-one today. You'll hear the show as is. It's a little sloppy, but I think we stumbled into another way of doing this show. You know, maybe round tables right now are not the way to do this show. Maybe it's just going one-on-one with our guests. The point I'm making is that was our Apollo 13 moment. I always talk about this on the show. We remember Apollo 11, then we remember Apollo 13. Apollo 13 was our greatest moment as Americans because we brought them home. It was a crisis and we brought them home. And that's what's going on right now in the United States. We have a crisis, Donald Trump. It's going to be America's greatest moment. This is the opportunity for all of us to realize that civics is important, that we have to pay attention to what's going on in Washington, D.C., that we need the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Economist, the Nation Magazine, the Guardian. We need real radio. We need real intellectuals. We can't allow alternative facts to turn this country into a fascist state. This is our moment. This is when we wake up. Well, we were supposed to post my interview with Steve Young, America's favorite comedy writer, but due to the events, due to the Muslim ban, we can't have him on the show. He's not Muslim, although I'm sure he would convert with me. I believe Steve converted to Judaism. One of the smartest people I know, Steve Young, I don't know why he would convert to Judaism, but I think I know why. But because of the Muslim ban, we're pushing him back to Friday. We drop these shows Tuesdays and Fridays. We're being very rigid about this now. Thanks to my producer, Alex Brazel. He says consistency is the key to what you owe your audience. So every Tuesday and every Friday, we drop a show. Steve Young will be on Friday's show. I plug his gig that is coming up this week on Friday's show, so it's too late, but his show is sold out, so it doesn't matter. All right, here's a gig that I want to plug. My good friend, Scott Regowski, running late, is doing his live show in Los Angeles. I have listeners in Los Angeles. He is at the Virgil in Los Angeles. And these are the dates. On February 3rd, Scott Regowski's running late show will be at the Virgil with Reggie Watts and the Sklar Brothers. That is great. Then he has a show February 4th at the Virgil with Rebecca Sugar, February 10th at the Virgil. Dana Gould, Rory Scoville, February 11th, Tom Middleditch, and Joe Manginello. And February 12th at the Virgil. Where now? Andy Kinler, Nicky Glaser at the Virgil. February 12th, 2017. That is Scott Regowski's show running late, which he does with Marty. It's my favorite show. I wish that's one reason to go back to Los Angeles just to see that. So go catch that. That's some great stuff. I know we have Trump supporters listening to my show. I'm not trying to make you feel stupid. I'm just trying to make you feel uneducated. That's all. I want you to feel uneducated. If you didn't graduate from high school, if you didn't go to college, don't feel stupid, feel uneducated. I cannot help it if you didn't go to high school. I cannot help it if you dropped out of high school. I cannot help it if you weren't lucky enough, privileged enough to go to college. I went to college because I grew up upper middle class through no fault of my own. And I was forced to go to college. And when I got to college, I was unprepared. And I became an alcoholic and a pothead. And it took me six years to get through college. I was dropping in and dropping out. But one thing I remembered from college is I'm an idiot. And it stuck with me forever. And I'm constantly trying to make up for the lost time in college, drinking and smoking and not going to class. So I've spent every day since I've been sober apologizing to my parents by trying to learn what I should have learned in college. I recognize that I'm uneducated. I recognize that I'm stupid. I recognize that yes, I have a college degree, but it's bogus because I learned how to write papers without even reading a book. And I got by on my BS abilities. But I know that I'm stupid and I know that I'm uneducated. So I surround myself with people who can teach me. Surround yourself with people who are better than you, occasionally better than you. Surround yourself with people who know more than you do. Trump supporters don't do that because Trump won't do that. He surrounds himself with sycophants. He surrounds himself with Eric Don Jr. Ivanka and that idiot Jared Kushner who I'll get to in a second. Don't resent somebody because they know something you don't know. Learn from them. Go back to what you were taught in elementary school. Your teacher knows something. So shut up, listen and learn. Behave. Play well with others. Do everything you were taught in first grade, which is the complete opposite of everything Donald Trump represents. And the reason you voted for Trump, Trump supporters, is he doesn't make you feel stupid. When did having a lack of education become something to celebrate in this country? Probably under George W. Bush who had to hide his Harvard MBA and his Yale diploma with a Texas drawl, that Texas twang because people were threatened by Al Gore. What's wrong with being educated? We're here to educate you because I'm stupid. I'm an idiot. I'm a fraud. It's okay to be stupid and uneducated as long as you're willing to to shut up and listen. And that's the problem with me on this show. I talk too much. I know that. I'm trying to get better at it. So now we're banning Muslims, right? We're going into the second week. Call your congressman. Peacefully protest. Show up. It drives Trump and banning crazy. Trump is trying to ban Muslim refugees. But if those Muslim refugees, by the way, if they can somehow make it in here, they are free to go buy an assault weapon, right? No problem buying an assault weapon. We need to ban assault weapons, not Muslims. If you're on the no fly zone in this country, you can still buy an assault weapon in America because the NRA is controlled by gun makers. Gun makers make money by killing you. Stephen James, who listens to my show, he made a meme for me. This is what he wrote and he made it in a beautiful JPEG that I will post on Facebook and Twitter and over at my website. This is what the meme says. Since 1995, there have been 3,503 Americans killed by all terrorist attacks. Many of those dead were killed by Catholic and Christian terrorists. Since 1995, there have been over 256,000, wow, gun homicides. Let me read that again. Since 1995, there have been over 256,000 gun homicides, homicides. This number does not reflect the many thousands of self-inflicted gunshot suicides. Wow. Muslims are not the problem. If we are banning what threatens Americans, ban guns, not Muslims. Thank you, Stephen James. And I will post that with his permission to my website and I will post it on Twitter and Facebook. Well, last week, Trump removed the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence from the National Security Council. That is not a congressionally approved part of the White House. And he replaced these people with President Steve Bannon, Howie Klein, who's on the show all the time, says, if you want to get Steve Bannon kicked out of the White House, always refer to him as President Steve Bannon because Trump will fire him because of his ego. By the way, Dr. Joseph Goebbels, who was the Minister of Propaganda for Adolf Hitler, was kind of brilliant. The way that the Nazis went after their powerful and powerful opponents, publishers, industrialists, Jews who held sway in the early years of Nazi Germany, Dr. Joseph Goebbels taught the Nazis not to attack these powerful people. He taught them to cut them off at their knees so they're alone and isolated. Don't go after the powerful people, go after their underlings so that it comes up the works. Kind of genius. So you had these powerful industrialists and writers and bankers who didn't know that they were alone until it was too late. Genius. So my advice to people who want to save our republic is, yeah, it's good to attack Trump, but go after Steve Bannon. Start calling him President Steve Bannon. Start going after Ivanka. Go after Jared Kushner. Go after Kellyanne Conway. Too easy to go after Kellyanne Conway. But start cutting Trump off at the knees. So one day he just fires all these people because he's impulsive. He's prone to paranoia or ruled by paranoia and in six months he's going to be all alone in the White House. Rince Priebus will be gone. They'll all be gone because he's insane and he'll just be completely isolated. So it's important to go after Trump, but take a tip from your good friend Dr. Joseph Goebbels. I'm serious here. I'm being absolutely serious. You got to take a page from the Dr. Joseph Goebbels playbook. Start going after President Bannon. That way Trump will be all alone in the White House like Nixon just on his knees praying, talking to the portraits of the presidents like Richard Dixon. That's what we have to do. We can get the, we can impeach Trump or we can, we can get him to resign. We really can. You baby boomers, you know what I'm talking about, right? Remember how rock hard you felt when Nixon resigned? You won't need to see Alice anymore. Trust me. When Trump goes, it's going to be, yeah, high school wood as my friend Ray James calls it. Isn't that great term? High school wood. Well, Steve Bannon, Steve Bannon now is going to be in the National Security Council. He is a chief strategist in the White House. He is going to be part of the National Security Council. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff won't be there. The director of National Intelligence will not be there. Steve Bannon, President Steve Bannon will be there. He has no government experience until now. He's never worked in intelligence. He's had no high-level military experience. He was in the Navy and he ran the alt-right propaganda outlet known as Bright Bart News. Their job is to push white nationalist, anti-Jew, anti-Arab propaganda. What's dangerous about this is it is the National Security Council, not the Pentagon, that authorizes all those secret targeted killings of American citizens overseas without due process. As Jim Burrell calls it, the drone incinerations that go on, that comes out of the National Security Council. Steve Bannon is going to be advising Trump in the National Security Council. We won't have the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or the director of National Intelligence. Rince Priebus said on the Sunday shows, well, they'll be invited if they want to come, but they don't sit on the National Security Council. Who is Steve Bannon? Well, you all know, I don't have to remind you who Steve Bannon is. He is a racist and an anti-Semite. In the Washington Post it was reported that Steve Bannon is against foreign students who are studying here in America. He's against foreign students staying here after they get their degree. He wants them to go back to where they came from because he thinks it's wrong when, quote, two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia. He says Asians should not be running Silicon Valley. Yeah, doesn't like Asians. And he doesn't like Jews. And what's the stereotype? What's the vicious stereotype about Asians and Jews? So that they're smart, that they're good at math, right? A white nationalist like Steve Bannon would propagate these kinds of stereotypes that actually hurt Jews and actually hurt Asians because it creates jealousy and it creates the idea that they don't need help. They're so smart, you know, the super Jew, the super Asian, who needs to hire them? They have money. How could they possibly need me to hire them? That kind of prejudice actually hurts Asians and it hurts Jews. Friday was Holocaust Remembrance Day. The Holocaust, it is illegal to deny the Holocaust in Germany, in France, and Great Britain because in Europe they knew that there's an element of society that, over time, will choose to rewrite history and come up with alternative facts. It's kind of controversial whether or not that is a violation of freedom of speech. But it is illegal to deny the Holocaust because some things happened. Some things are true. Some things are so incredible that they defy credibility, so it's easy to then start to believe an alternative universe because you just cannot believe that six million Jews were marched into the ovens. And sure enough what has gone on over the past several decades is we now have Holocaust deniers. They deny that the Holocaust either actually happened or that it was as bad as it really was. Holocaust denying 101 is to say not as many Jews died as six million. That number, it's probably more than six million Jews. And at the beginning, you know, when they first unraveled the Holocaust and found out what really happened, they were Americans and the French and even the Germans and the British were smart enough to say nobody's going to believe this. Nobody is going to believe this story and they will choose to forget it or rewrite it. And over time that is what has happened. People have said, well, it wasn't really six million. The numbers were inflated. Friday was Holocaust Remembrance Day and the president, Bannon, President Bannon, issued a statement on Holocaust Remembrance Day and it left out the fact, I'm laughing because it's just so absurd, left out the fact that six million Jews were incinerated during the Holocaust. Hope Hicks, one of the spokesman for President Bannon, said that they did that on purpose, that they intentionally left out the six million Jews because five million other people were exterminated including priests, gypsies, people with mental or physical deformities, communists, trade unionists, Jehovah's Witnesses, anarchists, Poles, and other Slavic people, as well as resistance fighters. Hope Hicks, a spokesman for President Bannon, said it was our honor to issue a statement in Remembrance of this important day, but to mention the six million Jews, we would have been neglecting the priests, gypsies, people with mental or physical disabilities, communists, trade unionists, Jehovah's Witnesses, anarchists, Poles, and other Slavic people and resistance fighters. If you go to a Holocaust museum and I think in two years there will be a Holocaust museum in every city in America, you will be reminded that it wasn't just six million Jews that there were other people who were killed in the Holocaust, but here's the difference and this is why you have to mention six million Jews. Six million priests were not exterminated, six million gypsies were not exterminated, six people with mental or physical deformities were not exterminated, six million Poles, Polish people were not exterminated, six million resistance fighters were not exterminated, six million Jews were exterminated, and Hitler rose to power promising to take care of the Jews. So when you talk about the Holocaust, you have to include the six million Jews. When you talk about the Holocaust, you have to include the five million priests, gypsies, people with mental or physical deformities, communists, trade unionists, Jehovah's Witnesses, anarchists, Poles, and Slavic people and resistance fighters. That is how you remember the Holocaust. Every president on Holocaust Remembrance Day has made sure to do that except President Bannon. Why? Because President Bannon is an anti-Semite, which means he hates the Semitic people. The reason he's banning Muslims is they are Semites. The reason he hates Jews, the reason President Bannon hates Jews is because they are Semites. The reason President Bannon supports Netanyahu and Israel is he wants the Semites to be an Israel, not here because President Bannon hates Semites. Arabs are Semites. Jews are Semites and President Bannon hates Semites. That's a fact. That's not an alternative fact. That's a fact. Six months ago in the times of Israel, they went over President Bannon's long history of anti-Semitism. One of the things that President Bannon did was he went after an Apple Bomb, a Washington Post columnist. He accused her of orchestrating attempts, quote, to impose a globalistic, a globalist worldview upon citizens that reject it. That's classic anti-Semitism, globalist worldwide views. He said she's in the pocket of George Soros, a George Soros, a favorite target, Jewish target among the alt-right. And the column in Breitbart that President Bannon ran included the sentence, hell hath no fury like a Polish Jewish American elitist scorned. President Bannon running Breitbart then failed to remove the anti-Semitic comments under this column that was attacking the Washington Post and Apple Bomb. One of the comments included Heil Hitler. Somehow that was not removed from Breitbart run by President Bannon at the time. The Times of Israel reports about President Bannon's divorce. In 2007, President Bannon's ex-wife said under oath that her then husband was an anti-Semite who made repeated anti-Semitic remarks, especially when they were choosing a school for their daughters in Los Angeles. Besides being anti-Semitic, President Bannon is also been accused in this divorce deposition by his ex-wife of physically attacking her. Now her divorce deposition does not include the word rape, the way Donald Trump, who works for President Bannon, when Ivana, his first wife, filed for divorce, she accused Donald Trump of raping her, but then she kind of rescinded it probably for money. Back to President Bannon, according to NBC News, Bannon was picking schools in Los Angeles for his daughters and he asked one of the directors of the schools, quote, why are there so many Hanukkah books in the library? At another school, Bannon reportedly looked around at the school and said was this place a temple? This feels like a temple. At a third school, the Archer School for Girls, Bannon went on to say that the biggest problem he had with Archer, the school for girls, is the number of Jews that attend. He said he doesn't like Jews. This is from the divorce deposition. The wife said my husband at the time doesn't like Jews and that he doesn't like the way they raise their kids to be, quote, whiny brats and that he didn't want the girls going to school with Jews. Anti-Semite. That's why President Bannon's Holocaust Remembrance Declaration did not include the extermination of six million Jews. That's why on the same day that this Holocaust Declaration Remembrance was issued, he issued a ban on Muslims entering this country because he's an anti-Semite. While at Breitbart, President Bannon gave an interview with Mother Jones and he said that Breitbart is the platform for the alt-right. Now, the alt-right, we hear this term a lot. You all know what it, what the alt-right is. It is a movement that is now in the White House that believes in white European pride. It promotes white nationalism. It is openly racist. It is openly Islamophobic and openly anti-Semitic. These are actual headlines from Breitbart News. Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy. Another headline, political correctness protects Muslim rape culture. We keep hearing about the Muslim rape culture in Breitbart News. Suck it up, buttercups, dangerous faggot tour returns to colleges in September. Here's another headline, the solution to online harassment is simple, women should log off. Another headline, two months left until Obama gives dictators control of internet headline. There's no hiring bias against women in tech. They just suck at interviews. And finally, Tranny's wine about hilarious Bruce Jenner billboard. Those are the headlines. So the Muslim ban has been sort of kind of overturned, maybe, maybe not. The protests have been tremendous and heartwarming. Go to your airport, go online, find out where you can make your voice heard. Go to fivecalls.org. The number five calls.org, they will give you the script and the phone number. It takes five minutes to make five calls each day. You will not only save our democracy, you'll not only save our republic, you'll feel good. You'll be channeling your rage, your paranoia, your anxiety into something positive and good. I'm very proud of organized religion here in the United States. So far, the only Christian who spoke out in favor of Trump's ban was Franklin Graham, the son of Billy Graham. I don't know how many of you remember Billy Graham, but he was caught on tape in the Nixon White House spewing anti-Semitic vitriol like father, like son of a bitch. Yeah, you should just Google that or on YouTube, look up Billy Graham whining to Richard Nixon on the White House tapes about Jews. Billy Graham, a noted anti-Semite, he's still alive. He's pushing a hundred Billy Graham, he's still alive because God doesn't want him. A lot of Jews in private say to me, well, yeah, Steve Bannon, President Bannon is an anti-Semite, but we're safe. We're safe. The Jews are safe. By the way, 80% of American Jews voted for Hillary. But 20% of Jews are thinking, well, okay, the Muslim ban is bad. It's wrong. I hope even those 20% of the Jews are thinking that. I don't know. But this is what the Jews are thinking in the back of their head. Yes. Yes. There's anti-Semitism in the Oval Office right now. But President Bannon, his guy Trump is married. His guy Trump, his daughter, Ivanka, is married to a Jew, Jared Kushner. Jared Kushner will save us. I've actually heard people say this. Trump's grandchildren, Ivanka converted to Judaism. Yes, and she makes love through a hole in the very same sheet that her dad wears at his rallies, which are apparently rubber sheets, by the way, because he likes Russian hookers to pee on them, which isn't true. But you know what? Let's just say it is. Let's just say it is. So the Jews are saying, well, you know, Jared's Jewish, he married Ivanka, she converted. So the grandchildren are Jewish and they're being raised Jewish and they're not, you know, they belong to a temple and they on Saturdays, they don't work. First of all, Ivanka's conversion by Rabbi Lukstein will not be accepted in Israel because Rabbi Lukstein is a fraud. That's the first thing. Secondly, Jared Kushner isn't running the show. Trump isn't running the show. Steve Bannon is running the show. President Bannon is running the show. That's a lot of responsibility to place on Jared Kushner to think that he's going to save the Jews. You know, he's not Esther. I don't know if you're familiar with the story of Purim, but Jared Kushner is no Esther. Anybody dumb enough to marry Ivanka Trump will believe Steve Bannon when Steve Bannon says, hey, I'm not anti-Semitic. If you're stupid enough to bed, marry and propagate with Ivanka Trump and marry into the Trump family, then you're stupid enough to believe that Steve Bannon isn't anti-Semitic when he tells you he isn't. Just accept him on phase value. Jared Kushner is not Esther. I don't know if you know the story of Purim. It's actually a book in the Bible, so it's the book of Esther. Christians and Catholics should be familiar with it because it's an actual book from the Old Testament. Esther is a beautiful Jewish woman living in Persia, kind of like Jared Kushner, right? Esther was taken into the house of the King of Persia to become part of his harem, and the King fell in love with Esther more than any of his other women, and he made Esther the queen, but he didn't know that Esther was a Jew, and so Haman, he's the egotistical advisor to the King, the power behind the King, Haman, that's who Steve Bannon is. Steve Bannon is Haman. Haman wanted to kill all the Jewish people. Esther, the beautiful queen, was able to save the Jews because she was good and Haman was bad. Well, Jared Kushner is Esther, and Steve Bannon is Haman, but I got news for you. Jared Kushner is no Esther, okay? Steve Bannon, the power behind the King, is Haman. Leave it to the anti-Semitic Trump people working under Steve Bannon to find America's only dumb Jew. There's one dumb Jew in America, and it's Jared Kushner, who married Ivanka Trump because, as I said, only a dumb Jew would marry into the Trump family. From Hararets, this is a, kind of like the New York Times of Israel, yes, Jared Kushner went to Harvard. We all know that, so we think he's smart. But the Guardian talks about a new book by Daniel Golden, which says that Kushner got into Harvard only because, according to this book, only because his father, Jared Kushner's father, donated $2.5 million to Harvard. This is in a book that came out, it's actually not a new book, it came out about 12 years ago. It's called The Price of Admission. It came out in 2006. It's about the trend of rich Americans buying their idiot children into prestigious universities. Golden interviewed Jared Kushner's peers and his teachers, and the administrators at the high school that Jared Kushner attended said they were stunned to discover that he got into Harvard. They described him as, quote, a less than stellar student. Jared Kushner's father made his fortune in real estate. He owns about 25,000 New Jersey apartments, industrial parks, undeveloped land, became very politically active in New Jersey, especially with Governor McGreevy. He was the governor who resigned because he had homosexual affair with his chauffeur. But they were giving a lot of money to McGreevy, the idiot, Charles Kushner, ended up going to prison because he was violating federal election campaign laws. He was donating more money to gubernatorial candidates than was allowed by law. So what the idiot, Charles Kushner did is he tried to do a workaround by writing checks in his son's name and then donating those checks to the candidates. So while the idiot, Jared Kushner was at Harvard, his father was signing his name, signing Jared's name to checks and then sending them off to candidates. He ended up going to prison for that. Not only did Jared Kushner not work for his wealth, it's all inherited wealth, his own father was sending checks in his name to candidates illegally. You would think, you know, if you're smart enough supposedly to get into Harvard, you would keep an eye on your checking account, but not Jared Kushner. Why bother when you have inherited wealth? Your father can donate $2.5 million and buy your way into Harvard or donate money to the Democratic Party of the way Charles Kushner did so that Ted Kennedy, one of the good guys, Ted Kennedy, made a call to Harvard on behalf of Jared Kushner and then surprise, surprise, Jared Kushner got into Harvard. Meanwhile, while Jared Kushner was taking up space that he didn't belong at Harvard, his idiot immoral father, Charles Kushner, went to prison because of the phony checks that he was sending to candidates to buy influence. His brother-in-law had turned state's evidence and to shut him up, what Jared Kushner's father Charles Kushner did is he hired a prostitute. He paid her $10,000 so he could videotape his brother-in-law having sex with the prostitute and take that tape to the wife and bribe the brother-in-law not to turn state's evidence. Well, turns out Charles Kushner was even a bigger idiot because he got caught and did even more time in prison because of that. That's who Jared Kushner's father is. That's who Jared Kushner is. He's not successful. All he does is he gravitates to wealth like his father or Donald Trump. Immoral, stupid, not ester. Polyester, because he's fake, but he's not ester. He's not ester. He's polyester because he's fake. Jared Kushner is the grandson of Holocaust survivor. That's pretty bad that the grandson of Holocaust survivors would be in the White House and not speaking up when they were banning refugees from coming into this country. I think most of my listeners are either the children or the grandchildren or the friends of refugees. Shame on Jared Kushner. Shame on him. But if you're as dumb as Jared Kushner is, and that family is, you're also incapable of shame. Shameless. Ma Erwin found this. The onion printed a headline and they tweeted it out. Sean Spicer's role in the Trump administration will be to provide the American public with robust and clearly articulated misinformation. Sean Spicer on his Twitter account tweeted back, you nailed it. Sean Spicer is the press spokesman for Donald Trump. So they're just going to keep lying. They're just going to keep lying. I have two videos on my website that we found. One is Kellyanne Conway praising Donald Trump and then the other video. These are just things we found on YouTube. I didn't put these together. Then the other video is Kellyanne Conway spinning for Ted Cruz when she was spinning for Ted Cruz and attacking Donald Trump on all the things she's now defending him for. Go to DavidFeldmanShow.com and you'll, you know this already, but it will revvy up. It will remind you that she's anything but a money-grubbing opportunistic political hack. She's an unoriginal parasite. She assumes whatever position to advance her agenda at the expense of million innocent lives in our democracy. There's a special place in hell for people like Kellyanne Conway and Jared Kushner. And that hell is the Trump White House, but a lonely horror show their lives must be. Hey, we got a lot of show today. I'm not going to apologize for it, because there's a lot going on. I am going to just remind you that we need to keep the lights on here. So please friend me on Facebook. Follow me on Twitter. Go to DavidFeldmanShow.com. When you root around that website, you'll find reading materials, show notes, copy and paste those links, share my website with everybody. Please go to my website and just start sharing podcasts and radio shows and news articles, because it just gets the word out and I need you to do that for me, please. Please become a monthly subscriber. 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She has also been a nationally syndicated op-ed columnist. Her column right now is on hiatus. She's a freelance investigative journalist. Tina DePuy was also the former managing editor for the progressive blog Crookson Liars. Her writing has appeared in the Los Angeles Times, the Atlantic Fast Company, LA Weekly, Newsday, Mother Jones, The Skeptic. She writes for Capital and Main. We just had Robin Yurovick on. She was did investigative piece into our new nominee for Department of Labor, Mr. Puzder. I'm impressed that you write for Vox. Please welcome once again to our microphones the eclectic Tina DePuy. Good to see you, David. How are you? Very good. It's great to see you. I haven't seen you since Los Angeles. My dear. Where you were doing comedy with me. That was in 1807. Yes. That's a very, very good memory you have there. You played Ann Coulter on our show. Rick Overton turned me on to you, but you know, I didn't know you were anything, but I thought you were just a comedian. Yeah. Well, probably when we met I was, but I failed into journalism shortly after we met. So what I was doing when we met was political commentary, essentially, but I was a political comedian. And so it's a horrible way to build an act because of course you get like the best in Ron joke that the world has ever seen in two weeks later. You can't do your in Ron material anymore. So I started writing these political grants and they would get published and pretty soon after that I became syndicated. With Mr. Cagle. That's right. Daryl. He's a, that man is a Minch. Who is Daryl Cagle? Daryl Cagle. He's a cartoonist who runs a syndication called Daryl Cagle cartoons, but he's a mentor to cartoonists all over the world who live in hostile regimes. Like here in the United States. Like here now, right, that we were now living under in the last week, but he has been a mentor to hundreds of cartoonists and he is an incredible man. You were the communications director for a congressman who I donated money for or two. I did benefits for him at the L.A. Improv and I believed in him. He lost his seat. He had it before that he lost it again. What is a communications director? What do you do when you're a communications director for a congressperson? I wrote all of his speeches. I made sure that when he was going to go on camera, he didn't have any boogers or weird things going on with his hair. I was responsible for writing all of the op-eds, making sure that he was on message before he went in front of the cameras was the liaison with all of the, with journalists and who wanted to book him or talk to him. Any kind of statements that we released went through me. Basically anyone who wanted to access the congressperson who was from the media would go through me first. And can you give me any insight into what might be going on up on the hill and what's going on in the White House? What is, is Washington D.C. is Paul Ryan going to kowtow to, I don't refer to him. I won't even say the word president and the other guy in the same sense. I just say Donald Trump who lost the popular vote by three million votes. That's what I, that's what I say. What is the mood on the hill? Are they going to kowtow to this guy or are they going to stop them every, even the Republicans? Are they going to try to stop them? Well, that depends on what we're talking about. Right now the, the Republicans are stoked because they have a monkey with a pin who will sign whatever they give him because he wants to, he has a very, very slim margin of people who actually like him. It's the core of the base. It's about 30% of Americans who are supporting him right now. That's, excuse me, and he is, and, but they have kind of boilerplate Republican stuff that they really want to accomplish and they've wanted to accomplish for the last 30 years. And finally they have their opportunity. So they're incredibly excited, which is until their, their president ends up having a 29 or, you know, or even lower approval rating. And then they're going to start trying to cover their own and keep their seat and do whatever they need to do. And that's going to be contingent on what their, what district they're from, what their constituents are saying, who is the loudest in their district. There's going to be a lot of that stuff. What we need to focus on now is that all politics is local. We, the progressive movement, we won this last election by a popular vote, but we lost it because of we didn't pay attention to the localities. We didn't pay attention to the people who were living there and what they were feeling. People, we really kind of dropped the ball on that. If you look at the numbers, there are people, everyone agreed, they agreed with Hillary's positions, but not with Hillary as a person. They disagreed with Trump as a person and also disagreed with his policies. So, but he, because he was a Republican, he got 30% of the vote. I mean, if you nominate a rancid ham sandwich, you will get 30% of the vote as long as it's a Republican rancid ham sandwich. And that's exactly what we got. Democrats kind of dropped the ball. What we need to do now is that even if you live in a very, very red district, it doesn't matter that you, you are still represented by that person, regardless of whether they're a Republican and they need to hear from you. FiveCalls.org. Is that a, do you, you worked, you weren't a congressional staffer, you ran. I was a congressional, I was a congressional senior staffer. Well, you were the communications director. Correct. So we are now being told by people like you that the most effective way to affect change on the Hill is through phone calls. They log them. The interns, that's basically what we have interns for. People call, there is a log that where they, where they're calling from, where they live, and what their grievance is. And so if the congressperson does something that people don't like, he just sees an excel spreadsheet of everyone who's mad about it or everyone's who, everyone who's happy about it. So also if you have a congressperson who does something delightful, like my congressperson is Jerry Nadler and Jerry Nadler has been perfect from Brooklyn. Yes. No, no, no, no. Upper West Side. He does, I think he does, his district might go into Brooklyn. He was morbidly obese. Yes. And now he's not as morbidly obese. Right. He might have, but he's, he's been lovely. And so he's gotten, I've told him directly that he's doing a great job. And they need that kind of feedback. But really, if you want to, if you want to push your congressperson, you have to call. It does, it does impact them. They can't get into their office without the phones ringing off the hook. And it does change the way they, they think. Facts also work strangely because. And what is a fax? A fax is a, I'm not quite sure because I'm, I'm really don't, I have blocked out most of the nineties, but I believe it's a machine that you put a paper into and then it spits out another paper on the other side. But they, they, they still have faxes and they, and Okay. You can work. Two questions about this. So you're gumming up the works in some way. If the, if the staffers are busy logging calls and taking faxes, they cannot do other things. That's, but that's their job though. Their job is to, we have constituent services. We all pay for this as taxpayers. We have constituent services. So if you are a veteran and the VA is giving you a hard time, that's what your congressperson is there for. The interns are there and the staff assistant is there to take calls from constituents. That is their sole purpose. They can do other things, a flag request tours of the Capitol, but really their primary purpose is to tell the congressperson what their constituents think about the job that they're doing. What about calling your. This is representative government. Right. And what about calling your congressman's lobbyist? It depends on, see, say that he talks to an oil lobbyist. They're, where's the, who is talking to them? How do we find this out? Because it's not part of public record. The stuff is, the lobbyists are registered, but in order to find out the exact one who's talking to your congressman, I think that that's a fool's errand candidly. What would happen if I were to get the names of every congressperson who's taking the job on K Street where the lobbyists work? We get that former congressperson's phone number and the lobbying firm that he or she is now working at. And I instruct my listeners, after you're done with five calls.org, here's the number for Tom Daschle. Call him. Tom Daschle is one of the good guys. Tom Daschle is not, he's not in power. Here's what, here, let's back up a second. If there are, there are plenty of actions that can do some good. I will give you an example of one that I think would actually affect change. There was a very eloquent, very beautiful public statement by Paul Ryan in July about how a Muslim ban was anti-American and would ultimately hurt our allies more than it would, you know, hurt our enemies. I mean, it was like, it was beautiful, the statement that he released. And of course, now he is completely flip flop burnout. So if you are pissed off about that, and you should be, you should be absolutely outraged, I think it would be a fantastic idea if we all sent him flip flops. And then the local, then the news sees hundreds of thousands of flip flops. You have to send them to the RNC. You cannot send them to his office because he won't get them for three months because that's how the hill works. But you can send it to the RNC. You send them flip flops from Amazon, any kind of flip flops, old flip flops, worn out flip flops, your old flip flops, you send them to Paul Ryan, then the entire story in the country is about this, this act of civil disobedience. I can't even say it. This act of civil disobedience is suddenly hilarious and pointing out this gigantic reversal, this egregious reversal from the Speaker of the House. That's how you affect change. Public shaming is really does work. I know they don't seem like they have shame, but they do. Well, Mike Pence a year ago said banning Muslims is un-American and unconstitutional. Now I realize he, that's why he's for it. Exactly. That's like, oh, okay. So he thinks it's a good idea. Precisely. I don't know. Well, let me push back on people like Dick Gephart and Tom Dashel. Dick Gephart was the House minority leader. He never got to be Speaker, ran for president with the support of unions, and now is on K Street lobbying against unions. Bad guy. Tom Dashel is a lobbyist. He couldn't even make it to Obama's cabinet because he didn't pay his taxes. Well, he had a, I mean, it was kind of quaint if we look back at his, the reason why he kept out, he was kept out of the Obama administration. But I'm going to push back on this, David, because I think what you are doing, and I hear this from a lot of progressives, is it's very backward thinking. It's like we want to punish liberals for not standing up prior to what happened now, and we just can't afford to fight among each other anymore. I had someone this morning tweet at me that I was about my white privilege, and I was like, I'm the last person in the world. You should be trolling right now because we can't fight among each other anymore. That Barb was probably really fantastic six months ago, but right now the world has changed, and we are at war, and this is an existential crisis, a constitutional crisis. If you want to know what that looks like, this is what it is. Right. But I agree with you. But I do a radio show with Ralph Nader. How many times have I mentioned that since we've been together? 17. Okay. And Tom Daschle is the problem with the Bush administration, not Ralph Nader. Tom Daschle is... But again, the Bush administration is dead and buried. I know. We need to move on. This is the Trump administration. This is fascism. We have to talk about what happens now because a week ago, the world changed. Right. Tom Daschle, it doesn't matter. Like all these punishing people that... And I know that in going the direction of demanding purity in the Democratic Party or the progressive movement is disastrous. We need to move on and figure out how we deal with the facts on the ground now. I agree with you 100. And we have to be nice to people with whom we disagree, including people who voted for Jill Stein. Okay. I agree with you, but I cannot help myself. You're going to have to be a bigger person. We all are. I know. But I just have to say two things. And this is a good discussion to have because I want to get to Bill Crystal in a second. Okay. And then I got a lot to talk to you about. But let me just say this because when there are two things... By way of Bill Crystal. You said something about Ralph Nader and I can't let it go because Ralph Nader is my religion. Okay. I believe in Ralph Nader. That's my... He's my God. I do... I grew up, my mother and father worked for a living. They couldn't follow the issues. And we'd get a ballot from Ralph Nader and he told us how to vote. Ralph Nader is God. Whatever happened in 2000, I won't re-litigate that with you, but I will tell you this. And then I'll move on. .org. 2002 is when George W. Bush asked for the war authorization. Tom Daschle was the Senate Majority Leader. If he had a pair of balls, he would have stopped the war authorization, but he didn't. Do not put the Bush administration on Ralph Nader. People want... People want one person to blame. The Democrats had been appropriated by Corporate America. They were tools of corporate America and they bent over. Hillary, John Kerry, the tax cuts got through and the war got through because the Democratic Party had no balls. Ralph Nader had been warning about that in the 2000 election and they proved his point. They allowed America to become a fascist state under George W. Bush and it wasn't Ralph Nader's fault that the Democratic Party is bald. But in fairness, this is what we are dealing... The fascism that we are dealing with now has... I mean, it makes George W. Bush look like a real American president. I mean, this was a right-wing coup, the likes of which we have never seen. We saw it 17 years ago. There was... No, we didn't. Not at this level. Yes, we did. No. There was not a Muslim ban. No, there wasn't. There was not an unnecessary, unforced error with Mexico. This is like we've never seen. This is a new world. We cannot survive. We cannot win if we relitigate the past as liberals and a progressive race. Those who refuse to relitigate the past are doomed to repeat it. Because right now we have an existential threat of the likes we have not seen ever before. Our rights are under attack. Okay. You know, I would be saying this... If they're rounding up people, it's not good. Okay. I would be saying this if you weren't. So let me take the other side. Fine. I'm just... If you weren't... Because we did... We did John Fugl saying show yesterday. And I was pretty much saying what you were saying. Well, I... But it's true. I mean, I have... But when you talk about it, it's like, we are just... This is it. We're screwed. And I... But I don't think that we're screwed. I think that we have to change the way we've been doing things. So talking about Ralph Nader, to me, seems very backwards thinking. What we really need to be doing is talking about how we can move the Congress to protect the... They are supposed to uphold the Constitution. Every single person on the hill, including myself, had to take an oath, signed oath. And if you're religious, you had to put your... This was in front of God, which I am not, and I don't have this issue. But I took an oath to protect the Constitution and this country against enemies, foreign and domestic. Every single Congressperson took that same oath. If they are standing there and there is an unconstitutional Muslim ban and a religious test, every single person on that hill has to stand up and say no. Right. And this is not okay. And we need to pressure them to do that. This is the fight that we need to have now, not about Ralph Nader. Okay. I'm going to move on. Please. .org. But... Hala. But if you attack Ralph Nader, it's as bad as denying... Well, it's... So, okay. You cannot say anything bad about Ralph Nader. And if I were in Congress, I would put my hand instead of the Bible on, told you so, Ralph Nader's book. That's my Bible. And people should follow Ralph Nader and do exactly what he says. And shame on certain liberals for not embracing Ralph Nader. He has all the answers in a cluttered culture where you need to distill everything down to one thing. Go to Ralph Nader. I'm moving on.org. All right. FiveCalls.org. I'm going to... Because I believe in the adversarial approach to arriving at a truth. I agree with everything you're saying. But I'm going to play devil's advocate just to make this interesting. Sure. We've been here before. The system... We have institutions in place. This is just... They want you scared. Steve Bannon has studied Goebbels, the Blitzkrieg. If you panic and scare everybody, they'll be paralyzed. They'll only think about themselves, not the community. Don't scare people. Trump is just a clown. He'll be hoisted on his own, but hard. I disagree with that. So do I, but... Yeah. Okay. So we have not seen this before in this country. And it's going to play out differently in this country. Fascism is going to play out and autocrat is going to play out different in this country than it is in other countries. If you go to other countries that have suffered under dictatorships, they're primarily oppressed peoples who are very poor. To somewhat poor Russia is not a rich country. That's why they need us to lift sanctions on them. But it is a very poor country and it's been war-torn for several hundred years. You have places like South Africa where I just visited. They have a horrific, awful, amoral monster named Jacob Zuma, who is in power and is going to stay, probably will end up dying in office. He will never leave. Yes. And he got elected for two reasons. He's not white. People are quite understandably afraid of having a white guy, a white president, because of the last time that that happened. And he also is from the party of Nelson Mandela. Is the guy who believes that AIDS is not transmitted sexually? I don't know if that's Jacob Zuma, but I think there are other people who believe that in different countries in Africa. I don't know if that's Zuma, but he's a pretty amoral monster in other ways for sure. Anyway, so South Africa is not, it would be by every measure a third world country. But we've never, this is the largest country, either this is the richest country in the world, and our influence is everywhere. I had a woman come up to me when I was on Robin Island in South Africa and tell me, yes, and she said, I am really glad that I'm from a somewhat stable country that the world doesn't depend on. She said that, and she was South African. Okay. The world depends on us to make some decisions. Okay, I can't have you come on the show and scare my listeners. That's my job. Too late. Is there a delete? Okay, so Tina DePuit, and by the way, Vox, I'm very impressed that you're here for Vox. I'm glad I can impress you. Because Vox simplifies things for you. Yes, it does. It is the ultimate, they figured out how to provide news and context. Yes. And context through the Internet. The art of the explainer. They are the, yes, they explain. And they have index cards that they update throughout the story. Because this is, is it Ezra Klein? Yes. I love him because when you read The New York Times or The Economist, they use a shorthand. They don't, it's like watching a soap opera in the middle of a story and not understanding what it is. What Vox does is it brings you along. It has index cards and keeps updating the story so you can very quickly find out how we got there. The BBC does that, by the way. BBC is very good with, they do chronologies. So I'm very impressed that you write for Vox. And, but I don't think it's going to be as bad. I think that there are systems in place. We have, even the Republicans, hate Trump. And they're giving him enough rope to hang himself. The media, their institute. There is hope. I don't want to. I don't believe what I just said. Okay, but you don't believe which, really? You don't believe what you just said. Okay, that's great. So everyone, everybody listening to this needs to get the book in The Time of the Rebels, Google, Oppor. Oppor was the group that ousted the horrible brutal dictator, Slovaland Milosevic, in the early 2000s, late 90s. Serbia. Yes, these were the Serbians. We did that. Yes. No, America did that. No, that was Oppor. That was the organic on the ground, young people who like stuck it to this guy and got him out of there. He ended up dying while on trial at the Hague for war crimes. But we had a bomb. We bombed Belgrade. Yes, we bombed Belgrade, but that was not who got Slovaland Milosevic out. It was Oppor. No, we turned off their lights. It's not we. Bill Clinton did it. No, Bill. Leslie Clark did it. No, no, no, no. That's not how social change does not happen from the top up. This is from the bottom up. That's the only era where we won. This is the this that was after he was this year. You're the timeline is you're confused on the timeline. We bombed them and then they still had Slobodan Milosevic and he was ousted two years later after the bombing stopped. So they Clinton absolutely deserves credit. He did not do it, though. It was Oppor. The Serbians, the Serbian people themselves are the ones who rose up. So what is that using nonviolent tactics for nonviolent struggle that if you are really that everybody should read up on John Lewis wrote? I mean, they even have pictures for this stuff there. And it's their graphic novels on on what to do to use nonviolent struggle in order to stop pure evil. Congressman John Lewis, who had his head bashed in on the Pettus Bridge. That's right. And but the monkey in the White House says he's all talking no action. John Lewis. Right. Exactly. Because Trump tells the truth all the time. Donald Trump is. Donald J. Trump is such a pathological liar. Let me just I have a joke. Let me take a sip of coffee first. Hang on, hang on. Excuse me for one second. Donald J. Trump is such a pathological liar. The J stands for pathological liar. And that is my joke. He's doing his act. I'm doing my act. I'm doing my act. You you are under siege. You are am I am I allowed to say that you're blonde? Yes, I am. Am I allowed to say that you're white? I am very. And you are camera ready. It must be very difficult for you. This is such a weird euphemism. I've heard this twice in the last week that I'm camera ready. I think that's a compliment, right? It means my lipstick's not on my teeth. Listen, I watched the women marching on Washington two weeks ago. The rage and the anger, if you were to bottle all the rage and anger that was in that city on that Saturday, March, that's half of what I'm experiencing in my life with women. So I'm just. So you were like, you saw the women's march and you're like, at least it's not me. No, I thought I kind of know what Trump is feeling. Only I'm getting more of it. Trump's not feeling anything. I know. I know. So give me some insight into Kellyanne Conway and why she was picked by Donald Trump and how if you were rotting inside. You could work for Donald Trump. The optics are there. Because I look like a Nazi. Here's the thing with Kellyanne Conway. We have a saying on the Hill that your job is to advise and protect. Advise and protect. And if they don't take your advice, your job is still to protect them. And that's what she's been doing. I believe that she's a mercenary. I actually don't care if she believes it or not. I think that she's still culpable in everything that Donald Trump does and what he does to this country. I don't think that she should be given any kind of mercy or pity. But she is a woman in her fifties. She's been a kind of gadfly for the last 20, 25 years in the conservative movement. She's always been one of those women who don't like other women. She's the kind of the woman who can say things to more progressive women. And if a man said it, they would get in trouble for it. So that's her dynamic. I worked with her on a show with Will Derist like 12 years ago. And I found her to be an Ann Coulter wannabe. Yes, she's not as smart as Ann Coulter. She is not as clever as Ann Coulter. Is not someone I could agree with on the time of day. But she is at least, she is smart. Well, Ann Coulter's a lawyer. Conway's a liar. Right, exactly. But there is this kind of you put your head down and you do what you need. And I think that every day in her mind, she's taking care of her children and her children's financial future. She made a lot of money off of Trump. And she is going to be she has a proclaim that she is the face of the movement, which means that she's about to she wants to clean up. She wants to make money and she wants to make sure that her children are going to be safe and protected. And so that is that when you when you watch her like it's she's she's doing a job and it's gross. But that's it is rewarded loyalty is rewarded in all sorts of ways. And she's starting to reap the benefits of loyalty. I don't understand it. I I've never talked about this on the show. I remember that I was working for the Dennis Miller show for 10 years. Bush became years. Oh, you so you worked with Dennis before he had his come to Jesus moment. Yeah. Yeah. And and then the show on HBO got canceled right after like a year or two after 911. And then Dennis became this rabid conservative. I didn't agree with the politics. I got offered a job to work for Bill Maher on real time. And, you know, I was an executive producer of Dennis's show. And they were just offering me a writing job for Bill Maher. And I Dennis was then going on to another to CNBC. And I had no I had no there was no choice. Let's go work for Bill Maher. He was against the war. And I took less money and less status. And I can't imagine. And I by the way, I know, you know, I'm not going to put Dennis down because I think he's one of the funniest men in the world. I just think his politics are diseased and dangerous and anti-Semitic. I think if you attack Muslims, you're anti-Semitic because Muslims are Semites. And when you attack Semites, first it's Muslims, then it's my people. So I identify now as a Semite. I'm no longer calling myself a Zionist or a Jew. Ever since this ban on Muslims, I'm a Muslim. I am Muslim. Same here. And on all my documents, I write down Muslim. And under the registry, I'm registered as a Muslim because I'm worried about myself because it's because they'll come for me next. Well, that's, I mean, that these could you, but let's get back to you. Could you, if the money were right, because you are a young, blonde, white, Aryan looking, you are David Duke's nocturnal omission. God, if the money were right, the most disgusting thing anyone's ever said to me. And his nocturnal omission is whiter than white. Those sheets. Come on now. Come on now. Sorry. I have to eat again eventually. Yeah. Would you, if the money were right, could you go do what Kellyanne Conway does? The, the short answer is no. And I will tell you that Steve Bannon loves me. I interviewed him for the Atlantic when he, because he was the director-writer of the Sarah Palin propaganda film, The Undefeated. I was at the North American premiere of that, of that film. I'm using the term very loosely because my editor hated me. And the next day I, I interviewed Bannon and we had this screaming fallout yelling at each other in a restaurant, just screaming. But it was enjoyable. Hold on. So I was fun, right? He was having a good time. Were you? Yeah. No, I was like, but I was, you know, I was throwing him right. Because he kept on talking about elitists. And I was like, you work for Goldman Sachs. He's like, I'm not an elitist. I was like, you are a Marine. He's like, I'm not an elitist. I'm like, you live in Santa Monica. And he's like, I'm not an elitist. I'm like, yes, you are. He went to Harvard. Yes. Like there was nothing about him that's not elite. I think that they're using code words. I think that drain the swamp meant liberalism. I think that elite means liberal. I think that that's what they, that's, you know, when we're talking about genocide, that's how you start. When you start saying things like drain the swamp and the swamp is like this kind of murky thing that you have not exactly defined. This is how genocide starts. Anyway, the point of that, I assumed that the, when this piece came out in the Atlantic, that he would call me a libtard. And I pushed back on all of the stuff that he was talking about with Palin. I thought that it was horribly insulting to accomplished women to say that Sarah Palin represents them because she's also accomplished. But now, strangely, I believe that Sarah Palin was paid for all the sins of Donald Trump. And so he is now immune to everything that we put on Palin for being a similar horrible person who is clearly corrupt. If you looked at her, she shut down her super PAC that was supposed to prop up and help conservative candidates. And it ended up only 10% of her super PAC money the entire time she had it open. You were the managing editor. But in fairness, I have, I am a professional. I have worked for a politician who I did not agree with on every issue, but I did my job. Right. The same way a divorce attorney. You got it. Kellyanne Conway. That's a professional, that's professionalism. Right. I look at Kellyanne Conway and I channel all the rage for my divorce attorney towards her. That's the divorce attorney. Okay. Because she would, you know, on my website, we have the videos of her spinning for Cruz and spinning for Trump side by side. Got a David Feldman show.com. It's a game. I want to ask you about the alt right because we both lived in Los Angeles where Breitbart started. I was working for Bill Maher when I met Ariana Huffington, the worst human being on the planet. Just because you have a media plantation doesn't make you a bad person. Yeah. And just because you have the same name as your husband who attends boy parties with underage boys. Ex-husband. But she kept the name and the money. I know where. I don't know why. You know that's a boy party. Yes, I know all about that. Yeah. And we had Amy Berg on that documentary she did where Michael Huffington was at a boy party. So Andrew Breitbart used to show up to the parties. Great guy. I'm serious. He was friendly with Ariana Huffington. Andrew Breitbart designed the Drudge Report. He was very instrumental in the development of the Drudge Report and opportunistic infections like Ariana Huffington said, hey, why don't we have a website like that for the left wing? And you know, Andrew Breitbart, he designed- Again, David, this is ancient history. No, no, no, no, no. Like you're re-litigating something that's in the past and Breitbart is literally dead. No, no, no. But his spirit is haunting all of us. Here's- you write for Vox. Yes. Context. Please. You got to know who your allies are and who really is your ally. And here's the point I'm going to make. Let me just give a- give me 30 seconds. If you're talking about a purity test for- I'm not talking about purity test. I think that the enemies list got a lot shorter after Trump became president. I think that we need to start building bridges and not walls. You and I have to start doing that. And the first, it starts with forgiveness. You know, let me just finish my thoughts. Everything you're saying I agree with. Here's the point I'm making. It's about the game and how I think the game may actually save this country against Trump. This is the point I'm making. So Breitbart designed the Huffington Post made a fortune working for Ariana came up with the Huffington Post and then said, hey, I created Drudge. I created Ariana Huffington. I'm going to create Breitbart News. And he created Breitbart News and dropped dead. And I will not say anything bad about Andrew Breitbart because my mother told me to never speak ill of people who deserve to be dead. So I will not attack Andrew Breitbart. But it's a game to these people, especially we saw it. You and I saw it in Los Angeles. It's a this is just a game. You worked at Crooks and Liars. They were getting in on that game. It's a game. They make money. There's a I'm very optimistic that Trump is going to kill the game. And once the game is killed, they'll take him out of office. Once once they can no longer profit off this game. People are, you know, sleeping giants now is encouraging people to write to the sponsors of Breitbart and pull advertising. Will the game that you play on Capitol Hill? You've been playing the game on Capitol Hill. What is the game on Capitol Hill? Not all right, Breitbart. What is the game? And when does that game stop? And they go, all right, now we have to impeach him. At what point is that? That's a really good question. And I have I have an answer to that. It's the game is survival, period. Political survival is politics, period. So politicians who've been around for a really long time. McCain is a great example of this. Are able to go with the flow and stay in office because they change with the changing times. And McCain did that with the rabid ascension of the alt right. All of that he was there to kind of not he was there to kind of acquiesce to that changing environment. Paul Ryan is a great example of that. This is what politicians do. They try to survive. And so if you have someone who has a 50 year career in the house, they have changed dramatically in order to survive. They will look at Donald Trump's numbers once they get they're hovering now at 36 percent approval rating. If he starts going lower than that, as soon as he goes south of 30 percent, people will start turning on him because they want their own survival, which is why it is so important to let your congressperson know your representative know that you are paying attention, because otherwise they think that they can get away with it. But you're right. There is a game and the game is to survive. And we are in an existential crisis. Everybody is. But at the end of the day, this is still a country that at least in its constitution is run by people. We, you know, for the people, a government of the people and a government by the people, that still rings true in the halls of Congress. Okay. So the purpose of this show is to simplify people's intellectual diet. That is what I promise my listeners. So we're in an age now where guys like Steve Bannon just throw so much dirt at you, you know, you can't think straight. I'm preaching five calls.org. Go to five calls.org. Five minutes a day. That's how you study the Torah. That's how when I was studying from my bar mitzvah of the rabbi, I said five minutes a day. That's how you eat an apple. The Torah is this you can never, you will live your entire life and not be able to absorb the Torah five minutes a day. That's why I love five calls.org. The number five calls.org. Each day you get an assignment in your inbox and they tell you who to call and they give you the script. So that is the simple. It's brilliant. And if that's all you do, you're saving the Republic. Yes, that's right. That's right. That is not hyperbole. That is absolutely true. And you worked on Capitol Hill. Yes, I did. And you can assure us. I mean, I'm talking to people who are on the Hill right now and they're exhausted because all they do are logging phone calls. So if you think that people are not paying attention and it doesn't matter, that's just not true. Just do it. Okay. The last Saturday. I just think that cynicism is what's going to defeat us before anything. Absolutely. Once we go like, you know what, nothing means anything and it doesn't matter. And I'm just going to kind of, I'm going to go back into my safe space and I'm not going to challenge any of this. And I want myself to feel better. I think that that's what is really the biggest culprit. I keep on seeing this in my Twitter feed of people just going throwing up their hands and they're like, you know what, I don't care anymore. I'm done. And it's like, no, you can't do that. There's too much at risk. We're not talking about just your state. We're not talking about just our country. We are talking about the entire world period. We are not an island. Right. The U.S. is not an island. The entire world is freaking out about this. And we are the only ones. The world looks at us as U.S. citizens. Like we are looking at members of Congress and they're going, why aren't you doing something? Why aren't you standing up? You have a despot. You have a dictator in the White House for crying out loud who has absolutely no sympathy for anybody. This is the most racist and vindictive and corrupt administration that we have ever seen. We did, in our worst nightmares, we could not have imagined how horrible to have this ignoramus and to use Stephen King's phrase, plunder monkey in the White House is the worst thing that this has ever happened to this country. And I'm talking about the Civil War was not as disastrous as the Trump administration could possibly be because not yet. But that didn't, remember, the war did not start off. And I've read contemporaneous reports of the Civil War and they are very comparable to what people are talking about with Trump. When the Northerners, specifically, when the South seceded, you had papers around the country that were lamenting the death of the country. They were lamenting the death of the Republic. They thought this was the end times. They felt like it was the apocalypse and they believed that it was the apocalypse and then they fought like hell to ward off the apocalypse and we still have a country because of that. That's what we need to focus on. Cynicism will kill this country. I agree with you. And go see Adam Curtis' movie, Hypernormalization. I have, you can watch it on my website, DavidFeldmanshow.com. He says that when Jane Fonda went from Hanoi to exercise videos, when you improve yourself as opposed to improving the country, that's when the Republicans take over. When you internalize this and focus on your problems and only your problems, you're doing exactly what Republicans want. And if you are, as they say, woke, there it was a term that they used during apartheid, each one teach one. And it was also during the civil rights struggle in this country. They used this banner, this battle cry, each one teach one. So if you have somebody who is confused and angry and pissed off and doesn't know what they can do in order to save the Republic, in order to bring back a democracy, to oust a dictator, then you need to teach them mentorship. You're going to get the last word, we have to wrap it up. But I'm going to say something and you have to listen and then you respond and get the last word. I like how your man's explaining me how to do an interview in very small, easily digestible words. I'm going to say something at you and then you get the last word on this. I'm totally ready. Okay. You said we need to build bridges and find allies and forget the sins of the past. And that when Cheney now says it's un-American to have a Muslim ban. And I should forget that Ariana Huffington ran her husband for Senate in California on a platform of denying health benefits to children of undocumented workers. I should forget that because she's an ally. Or when Bill Crystal, who in 1994, as an advisor to Bob Dole, said, whatever you do, block Hillary care because if we give universal health insurance to Americans, the Republican Party will be doomed. Bill Crystal from PNAC, who invented the invasion of Iraq and has the blood of two million Iraqis on his hands. Bill Crystal, who now expiates his sins by attacking Trump. When you say we have to build bridges with these monsters, I say South Africa healed itself the same way Germany healed itself through truth and reconciliation. You cannot move to Argentina if you're a criminal. There are certain people who are criminals like Bill Crystal and Dick Cheney and George W. Bush. We don't need them. They cannot hide behind Donald Trump. You don't get to wash the blood off your hands by saying, oh, there's Donald Trump. No, you're a monster. And so is Donald Trump. We don't need Dick Cheney. We don't need Bill Crystal. We need truth and reconciliation because there would be no Donald Trump if it weren't for Dick Cheney and Bill Crystal. We don't need them. So you were in South Africa. People have the problem with this country is we don't litigate the past and you bring up the civil war. Reconstruction was killed. We were going to punish the South and instead we made this deal where, what's his name? We gave the president, there was a tie. Look it up and then I'll shut up. Which presidency? I have a block on his name and we're going to edit this so I don't. We're keeping this. Okay, I'm going to look it up. All right, yeah, let's keep it in. Let's keep it in. The end of reconstruction, there was a, okay, I can't remember that I have a block because my blood is boiling. Okay, I'll ask the, reconstruction came to an end. We were punishing the South after World War II, after the Civil War. We were, I'm sorry. Andrew Johnson? Andrew Johnson was impeached because he wouldn't. He wasn't impeached. Yes he was. Andrew Johnson? Yes, Andrew Johnson became president after Lincoln and he was impeached because he would not enforce reconstruction. He would not punish the South and he was impeached. He wasn't removed from office but he was impeached. And then Grant became president and then afterwards, after Grant was president for two terms, there was an election that was identical to Bush v. Gore. Pay attention to this. Pay attention to this. This is important. It was identical to Bush v. Gore and the Republicans had, it's the Republicans at that time were the good guys. The Republicans won that election. The Republicans were the good guys until the civil rights bill. Yeah, okay. The Republicans won that election but they gave it to the Democrats. No, no, the Democrats gave it to the Republicans. That was the compromise. They gave it, they gave the presidency to a Democrat, to a Republican but they had to put an end to reconstruction. That was the deal. That was the political deal. I mean, but we can sit here all day and talk about this kind of injustice. I mean, the reason why we have the Electoral College is because of a compromise from slavery. The reason why we have the stupid Senate, that horrible, dumb, ineffective Senate is because of a compromise over slavery because slave states wanted equal representation with people who had people who were actually counted as people. But the point I'm making is I believe in total war. What's total war? That when Sherman burnt Atlanta for slavery, which was genocide, total war. You reinvent the South the way we reinvented Japan and Germany. The only reason Japan and Germany are great countries now is American firepower, raise those two countries and then we raised them. We first, we raised them and then we raised them RAISED. The problem with the South is we compromised and put an end to reconstruction. That's the point I'm making. And that's what, when you talk about bridge building, when you talk about bridge building, we're, when we're on the side of right, we don't need to build bridges with the devil. I think this, this, you are setting yourself up to fail. First off, purity tests are not going to win this war period. And in all, and the, and a compromise is really where like both parties feel screwed. And that's a decent deal. But here's what I want. Were you going to, where can I have the last word? Are we there yet? Or you want to apologize for getting worked up and not remembering the name of the. Okay. Of Johnson. No, it wasn't Johnson. It was the election. Huh? Which election Garfield? No, the election after, who was, if somebody would look this up, who was president after Grant? Who was president after Lou Grant? That was when reconstruction ended. That was the great compromise that prohibited total annihilation of bigotry in this country. Go ahead. You've got the last word. Where to start? First off, the turncoats have the power right now because we have a a majority Republican House and Senate and Hayes. Rutherford B. Hayes. Rutherford B. Hayes. Large man. Yeah. Was he? Yeah, because he's large. And he was a Republican, right? I think Taft was the fattest until Trump. Okay. So, Rutherford B. Hayes was, was it Blaine? Who was the Democrat? Somebody like Blaine. And they gave it, the compromise was, well, the Republicans get the Oval Office, but you got to put an end to reconstruction. And we didn't raise the bigotry in the South. Had we continued with reconstruction, literally reconstruction? But you actually don't know that. I mean, this is a theory. There, there could have been a huge revolt of the South and, you know, that you don't actually know that that would, that is a true statement. It's good in theory that, and again, we're talking about the past and not what we need to do today and not what we need to do now. Because now I hate to say it, but you know what? Dick Cheney did something brave. I would not agree with that man on, you know, on whether night is dark, but he did something brave and he should be celebrated for that. We cannot be these bitter liberals. Why doesn't he tell his daughter to shut the fop up? You know what? You gave me a chance to talk. You're right. You're right. He gave his daughter her entire career and she's a moron and she keeps on talking, which is fine. She, she doesn't, she can't even, she doesn't know with the, the Soviet countries that no longer exist. She has publicly blamed Obama for, for not, for abandoning Czechoslovakia. Wyoming congressperson. Yes. She's also my cousin through marriage. But, um. Really? Dick Cheney is. So. Go ahead. I confused you. See what I'm doing as Steve Bannon. No, you're not what I'm trying, but I've said over and over again, we have to let go of the past. We cannot be bitter. We cannot be cynical. We cannot be resentful. We cannot, that is not going to win the war. If we sit here and we like, we blame everybody and start wanting to take, to take people down because they didn't save us. It's not going to be, we're not going to win the war. We have to move forward. We have to, we have to go to battle with the army we have, not the army we want. Thank you. Don, Donna runs, Donna Rumsfeld. That's right. How are the people? This is going to be the funniest ending to any podcast in the history of podcasting. Tina DePuy, before you go, you were born inside a doomsday cult. I was. I was born for this. I know exactly what the end times looks like. You were, your parents were in a doomsday cult? Yeah, they were. And you were born in that doomsday? I was the product of a doomsday cult, correct. We're all out of time. We'll have to come back and talk about it. Oh my god. That's the truth, right? Yeah, yeah. You were born in a doomsday cult? I was. You'll come back and talk about that. Okay, you got it. Anytime. Thank you. You're listening to the David Feldman show coming up, Nick Mullen. Go to davidfeldmanshow.com, shop on Amazon through my website, Bookmark. When you land on that Amazon page after you go through my site, Bookmark it. Put it in your browser because that way every time you want to shop on Amazon, you don't even have to go through my website. Just go through the Bookmark. It'll have my special code embedded into it. And I'll make anywhere between 5% and 7% of everything you buy. It's a great way to help this show. If you have to shop on Amazon, do it through my website. Donate money. You can give us a good review on iTunes. And you can friend me on Facebook, follow me on Twitter. 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I knew that I was cheating my listeners and I apologized to you during the show and after the show and I want to apologize to my listeners. There's no apology now. Well, and you were very generous to do the show and you're very generous to come back. Nick Mullin is the host of Come Town. It's a good name, right? I mean, it works. Sorry. Sorry. Yes, and it's not a podcast about Lindsey Graham's mouth. Come Town is a hysterically provocative podcast and you're a terrific comedian and a terrific comedy writer. And you're very well-informed and I met you through my good friend, Kurt Metzger, who I'm going to be doing a roast battle. Are you doing the show or are you just doing roast battles? I'm going to do one around town, but here's my idea. Then we'll talk about Katie Rich, Richard Spencer, Emmett Till, the Muslim ban, the ACLU, paranoia, marijuana, and anything else you want to talk about. Here's my idea. So I'm supposed to go up against Kurt Metzger. And I was thinking, well, this is wrestling. Why don't we just stage the whole effing thing? And I think my hook is going to be, because I lost to Pat Dixon. He's 5-0 now. I'm 0-1. I think my hook can be I never win a roast battle. So I want to be like 0-25. You probably, with my limited exposure to you, your problem might be that you overwrite for them. People overestimate how many jokes they're going to need for roast battle. So they write 35 jokes rather than just having like five bangers. And that's a big hang up that people run into. Well, I think I want to be the heel. So I think I want to go in. I told this to Kurt, we were just talking. I said, why don't I go in bombastically and pompously saying, I write for the roasts. I write for triumph. Nobody can beat me. And I always lose. Yeah. And I thought we could actually script this thing and even make up crap about Kurt. He can make up. I want him to go somewhere that I can't believe you brought this up about my daughters. Just make up shit. Anyway, that's where I'm thinking. That could be fun or it could backfire. You never know how the audience is going to interpret it because they went there for one specific kind of show, you know, and they go in with like a gimmick. It might. Well, I saw one where there was a couple. Yeah. A man and a woman, two comics who live together. Yeah. And they thought it'd be funny to roast each other. Yeah. And they walked off stage not making eye contact. Of course not. It's like, I don't know why people are like, oh, the roasts are so fun. And it's like, yeah, I love just standing on stage and being insulted. By someone that I'm, you know, presumably friends with. Mm-hmm. You know, I mean, because you're supposed to write fucking mean jokes. Yeah. And you know, it's like, you know, oh, you're a comic. You should have thicker skin. It's like, should I? I thought I should just be funny. I didn't know I should be on point. Have you done a roast battle? Yeah, yeah. I've done a couple of them. And what's your record? I think two wins, two losses. So. And you wrote for triumph. No, I didn't. You were in some of the rooms. I was in the room for one day on a tryout basis because I was friends with Jared Grote. Right. Yeah. I sent in a packet in January and they passed on me. I didn't get like a call or anything. And then Jared couldn't make it. You know, he couldn't do that show because he took another job. And Jared's been helping me out for years and he like, I guess really pushed me to Robert and then so they agreed to have me on that tryout. But, you know, I just sort of sat down and couldn't really pitch anything. I remember you were great and, you know, well, Jared, we should get Jared on the show. Yeah. I've only hung out with him one time. We sort of made friends on the internet. He ran Largo. Maybe. I don't know. I haven't spent much time in LA. Okay. I lived there briefly, but. Yeah. Yeah. So are there jokes that people could make that would hurt your feelings at your expense? Yeah, I still, I mean, you know, I think like honestly, I do get, you know, like it does bother me whenever anything, anybody says anything critical, but you get older and you learn how to like, you know, meter that response or temper, you know, your reaction to it, you know, and filter it through comedy. So, yeah, obviously, I feel like if you don't have insecurities, then you wouldn't have a sense of humor because it'd be right, you know, nothing that you're trying to deal with. But yeah, I mean, like, I would, if I just went on my own impulses as a guy, I would totally be like a dish that can't take it, sort of dude. You know, I just know that's like a shitty kind of person to be. So I don't, you know, I don't do it. Right. Right. I don't know. I get a perverse pleasure from the roast battles where somebody isolates what they think is my weakness and then going for it, because I think it's kind of interesting, you know, being Jewish, being old, being divorced, hair transplants. I'm just trying to think what are my weak, lonely, chronic masturbator. Yeah, well, it's the ones that call you off guard. The one that bothered me the most is Katelyn Bailey said my breath was bad. And it's like, I can't control that. I brush my teeth. I don't know what causes it. Do you scrub your tongue? Yeah, I have a tongue scraper. Do you gargle with battery acid? No, I don't. But that was the one that fucking hurt my feelings. But it's always something that surprises you. You never know what it's going to be. Well, bad breath is just something you can accuse anybody of. Sure. Yeah, but I took it personally. Okay. That hurt my feelings. People have bad breath. Because there's a lot of them, a lot of the time. Actually, Mike Lawrence gave me the best advice. He's like, yeah, just fucking grow a beard and then all the people will talk about is your beard. Right. But my farts don't stink, by the way. That's possible. Because I'm a vegan. If you get enough fiber. I'm a vegan. I may or may not be farting as we're talking. Yeah. Did you know that? I do now. That's the beauty of being a vegan. Yeah. Are you really a vegan? Yeah. I tried it when. Since my wife found a pair of gloves, this is an old joke. When did you start wearing women's panties? When my wife found them in the glove compartment. It's an old, old joke. Hey, nothing works, by the way. We're having problems today in the control room. I always talk about how I don't watch television. You don't? At all? I don't. And I'm not bragging. That's actually good to hear. I mean, I at least, in the last couple of years, have tried to transition into having a television writing job rather than just being a stand-up. And then I talked to other people that are employed, writing for shows, and are like, oh, did you watch, I don't know, King of Queens last week? And he's like, no, of course not. Why? Yeah. I don't watch fucking TV ever. Why would I watch TV? I just assumed that everybody had a real writing job watched every single show. This is going to sound so off-putting. But I rather get paid to watch TV than to write for it. Yeah. Because writing for TV is a joy. Watching it is work. Yeah. Partly because I'm envious and jealous of everybody who's, you know, but that being said most, like not... That's why I can't watch comedy. Well, there are two types of... I briefly met Judd Apatow. Anyway. And he was Andrew Andrew, Adam Sandler's roommate. The two of them lived together. And he said something, and it's two types of comics. Judd was constantly knocking on... He told me he was constantly saying to Adam, hey, come look at this comic. Come look at this comic. Come look at this comic. And Adam would say, I don't want to look at this comic. I'm not interested. I don't want to be influenced by this comic. And that's how I think. Yeah. I don't want to watch other comedians. I want plausible deniability when I come up with a joke that I made it up myself. But there are two types of people in the comedy world. I feel like it's not the influence thing for me, but I'll watch something that I think is... Like I'll watch Always Sunny, and I'll laugh. And I'll laugh really hard. And then immediately I'm like, God damn it. And then I'm just upset that I'm not that talented or creative. So it is more of a jealousy thing rather than a... Or if it's something that doesn't make me laugh, like there's plenty of shit, like 30 Rock. I could always watch and I'd never laugh once. But I thought the show is very funny. I would just sit there and sort of deconstruct the jokes and appreciate the writing process. And it's like, that's not why you watch comedy. You watch comedy to laugh at it. Right. And so it was just never really like a pleasurable experience to watch certain things like that. There are two... And I know I'm wrong, but I'm a human being. Yeah. The Simpsons I know is one of the greatest shows in the history of... I know that. I know that intellectually, emotionally, Family Guy. Oh yeah. Well, those are two different kinds of humor. I mean, I still go back and I watch The Simpsons all the time. I still watch King of the Hill. I think that's one of the best shows that's been on TV. But Family Guy is, you know, I mean, once you understand the formula, which is, you know, well, we're going to set up a joke and then here it is. And it's kind of separate from the story. And there's really not much in terms of social commentary or insight or whatever. Oh, I disagree. I think, I mean, not in a way that it could hold the candle to The Simpsons. I disagree. Really? I think you always be aware of the comic who's saying, I'm just an idiot. Yeah. That's the dangerous guy. I think Seth MacFarlane is very subversive. Yeah. Well, I don't think he's an idiot, but I... Oh, no, he's the... I think I've never... I worked on the roasts with him. I never really got to meet him. But I think of all the people, I think he might be the most talented person in Hollywood. I think one of the most difficult things to do as a comedian or, you know, any kind of comedian, writer, performer or whatever, is to be able to sync up your ideology perfectly with your sense of humor. And Family Guy misses the mark with that. I mean, I'm sure some of it can come through, but the goal of the show is to be a very funny show. And it was. I still think Family Guy's funny. I think it's very good at being funny. And then there's, you know, I mean, obviously it happens more on the right. And, you know, increasingly I'd say a lot of the newer shows on the left. It's ideology first. And then, you know, we'll put some jokes in there. The only, a couple of, you know, the Daily Show had made the peak of when Bush was shitty, you know. He's still shitty. Yeah, I know. But I mean, like the peak of the shittiness of the Bush years, that was a show that did it. The Simpsons was very fucking good at that for, you know, the first, you know, season three and a half to nine and Stan Hope. And those are like, you know. Right. Oh, Stan Hope. Yeah. Stan Hope's perfect at it. Even if you're not, even if you're not a libertarian. Yeah. You know, he's just very good. And here's the way I see the world. And I'm able to write nothing but jokes about it, you know. And it doesn't feel shoehorned in or that, you know, one of, you know, the jokes are compromising to get the ideas forward or the ideas are compromising to get the jokes forward. And that's like the most powerful thing you can do with comedy, I think, is to line those two up. Do you know, Doug? Yeah, I've met him a couple of times. Yeah, great guy, great guy. I was going to bring up something that why I think my wife ultimately wanted a divorce. Is it because you watch too much Family Guy? Oh, no, actually, I think, you know, Family Guy was how I bonded with my kids and inspired me to be like, it was something like, I could, it made me feel like a child. Yeah. Like, I would watch Family Guy with my children and laugh out loud and be totally immersed in it without feeling, you know, and it made me want to be an animator, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it also made me have conversations with my kids about right and wrong. Like when Joe is in a wheelchair and he would, there was an episode where he was sleep dragging, where he'd get out of his bed and just drag his feet. Yeah. And I laughed in front of my kids to the point where I, it was like watching Gilbert Godfrey, where I thought I was going to lose my, you know, lose my shit, literally. And then you have to explain to your children why it's okay to laugh at that, even though it's kind of wrong, but maybe it's not wrong. Yeah. Because it's up to people who are in a wheelchair to decide if it's wrong. And maybe it's right. I don't know to have that kind of conversation with my children is very valuable. Yeah. And so... Well, what I think is more important when it comes to comedy than is this right or wrong is having a concrete answer as far as like, why are you saying this? You know, even if it is, even if it might be morally incorrect, but if you have a reason for doing it that aligns again with your ideology, then that's more of a bulletproof defense than saying, well, you know, maybe it's punching up because, well, maybe it isn't. But it's irony, you know, like if you understand exactly why you're doing something, then you don't have to worry about, you know, whether the joke itself is right or wrong. Yeah. So I think... And that's why I think, sorry, but that's why I think that The Simpsons was very good at that. Well, The Simpsons, you watch The Simpsons and it... I feel like a red state Republican as a comedy writer because you're just making me feel stupid. All you Harvard guys are just making me feel stupid with all your brilliant jokes. And I kind of understand how red state people feel because it's brilliant. Yeah. And when you're, you know, so I'm jealous and you make me feel stupid as a comedy writer. With Family Guy, I let my guard down. I'm susceptible. It washes over me. And suddenly I find, hey, this is really subversive. They're doing some stuff here politically that is... Here's why I think my wife and my family hates me. So I was writing on the roast and Seth MacFarlane was the host, but I had no interaction with him. Ray James was the head writer and I was just turning out jokes and I'm very shy, believe it or not. One day, an invitation arrives to Seth MacFarlane's house that he's having a party. He's going to be unveiling his big band music and he's going to be the singer and I'm invited. And I call my RSVP and I say, you know, there's a lawyer named David Feldman. Are you sure you didn't... I swear to God I did this and my kids and my wife are like going, this is going to be so great. It can't possibly be me. So I call the secretary and I say, can you just double check that it's David Feldman the comedy writer and not David Feldman the lawyer? And she literally said, no, it's you. I go, we'll just double check. And she never got back to me so I didn't go. Oh. And they just looked at me. My family just looked at me and went, you're an effing, you're an effing. Yeah, that seems insane that you wouldn't go. I thought they invited the lawyer. I could not... Why? Who's the lawyer? Was he Seth MacFarlane's lawyer? No, but there is a powerful lawyer in Hollywood named David Feldman who... I'm sure there's plenty of them. Well, he's pretty powerful and I know Tom Arnold who gave him... There's got to be like a million David Feldmans in Los Angeles. But no, there's a David Feldman who's a lawyer who was Tom Arnold's lawyer and Tom Arnold moved me to Hollywood to write... Yeah, you should get your way into Tom Arnold parties. You should be exploiting. So that's you have the wrong mindset. You got to figure out everywhere that this lawyer is going, steal his dinner reservations, pick up his card valets, take his doctor's appointments. You don't need health insurance anymore. You know, this is what is figure out where he's going. This is what happened. Tom hired me for Roseanne. I moved to Hollywood. I owe my career to Tom Arnold. But his lawyer was also named David Feldman and one morning I got a thank you note from Tom Arnold for a very expensive gift that came from the other David Feldman. So I assumed that when I got invited to... Anyway. That makes sense. All right. Were you working on Roseanne when Jessica White came? No. No. There's a job opening maybe at SNL, Katie Rich. Do you know Katie? No, I don't. I didn't know who she was prior to this. Who is Katie Rich and why should we be frightened? Well, Katie Rich tweeted... I think we even talked about it last week, didn't we? Yeah, but go ahead. Like briefly, yeah. Katie Rich was an SNL writer that tweeted, Barron Trump is going to be the first home school shooter and SNL suspended her after backlash and it's like an indefinite suspension. There was a change.org petition. 400,000 Americans signed a petition to have her fire. The same way Bill Maher got fired after 9-11 when we should have been firing at Osama bin Laden. Yeah. So is that a good use of our energy to go after Katie Rich? No. It's not a good use of our energy and I don't like the idea that people think this is a precedent being set right now or in the case with Bill Maher. This is a perpetuation of a culture that's embraced by both sides that says certain things are off limits, that people are full of shit when they say they support an idea of true free speech because half the people brain about Katie Rich's firing two years ago were talking about, well, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. You should get fired if the joke is somehow punching down. And really, there isn't much of a defense of that joke. She's going after a 10-year-old boy that probably has some kind of... She was punching down syndrome as well. What's going on with that kid? Nothing. And this is the other thing too, is you've got to be careful what you fucking say, because Ivanka Trump... or sorry, maybe it was Melania, one of the family members, threatened the lawsuit because somebody made a YouTube video implying that he was on the autism spectrum. And it wasn't even a mean-spirited video. They just documented all this evidence of behavior and said this kid probably has some kind of autism spectrum disorder. And they threatened the lawsuit. And the chilling effect of the first lady threatening to sue somebody for making a video that even if the video... I'm no fan of Obama or any other politician really, but Obama wouldn't do that. If somebody made a video saying that fucking Obama was probably... But they did, a Muslim or a Kenyan. Imagine if he had threatened lawsuits. People would be fucking outraged. And it's par for the course for Trump, but that's something that I get really pissed off about. It really bothers me. You can't have the first lady threatening to sue people for speech. Right. And I don't think he's on the spectrum. I think that there are certain kids who are being raised in a certain way. And because we don't use psychoanalysis anymore, we don't put kids on the couch. I believe in psychoanalysis and introspection. Okay. Well, then he wants to fuck his mom. It's not autism. Well, we all do. But no, I'm not going to make a... I'm not going to talk about the kid. I'm just saying, if a kid is weird, I'm not talking about any specific kid right now. But if a kid is weird, he may... It's just too convenient to say, oh, he's on the spectrum. Well, that's why they took it out of the DSM, Asperger's and High Functioning Autism. They did? Yeah, I think they did. They removed it. It's not a diagnosis anymore. Because like any kind of behavior, like any kind of aberration as far as that eventually would be classified as some kind of disorder, like obsessive compulsive disorder or attention deficit disorder, it's an extremity of behaviors that are expressed to a certain extent in almost everybody. Well, what is wrong with approaching freedom of speech the way we do in this country, in that it's the free marketplace of ideas. There are consequences, and I always view freedom of speech as like zoning. My kids went to an elementary school, and above the elementary school was a billboard for a gentleman's club. And I didn't want my kids saying that. It was objectifying women. And I remember thinking, oh, that's what freedom of speech is. This is good. This is a healthy thing in our country. It's all about zoning. You know, you want to have a gentleman's club? Great. You want to objectify women? Okay. I don't want that message above an elementary school. And I had them, they took it down. Sure. And now you could say First Amendment, which some people said. And I said, no zoning. I don't want aesthetically. Aesthetically, I don't like that. Well, we do have exceptions. There are obscenity laws. There's laws against inciting any kind of public scare, firing a crowded theater. Intellectual. I mean, I'm pretty extreme when it comes to my defenses of freedom of speech. I don't believe in intellectual property necessarily. I don't think that that's, at this point, it's so thoroughly ingrained in our economy and our way of living that there's not really an argument against it. But I don't like the idea that someone can own an idea, you know. Right. But getting back to the Joe sleep-dragging. Yeah. I thought it was okay for my kids to see that because I discussed it with them. Sure. And I didn't have an answer. I didn't want to discuss a gentleman's club with my kids. So where do you see the First Amendment in this country? Because we had talked about this after the show last week. Well, it extends beyond the First Amendment. And I'd prefer to move away from even just referring to freedom of speech as a First Amendment issue because it's bigger than the Constitution. It's about civil liberties and it's about embracing a culture that really respects and cherishes the idea of freedom of expression. And shit that you don't like that's crass, that's, you know, that bothers you and there's no insight to it, bad jokes, dirty jokes or whatever. That stuff basically just holds a space at the fringes of what's acceptable for something that'll come along later that might be insightful, that might be important, you know. And or maybe it's not a dumb versus smart thing. It could be a left versus right thing where you spend two and a half years saying, oh, well, you can't make rape jokes. Rape jokes are off limits. Certain jokes you just shouldn't be able to say, you know. And then, okay, sure. Yeah, you've made it. You spent two years arguing for why certain things should be off limits. Well, now someone you agree with has been fired from their comedy writing job for punching down. And your own arguments are going to be used against you by shitty people to do shitty things. Okay, what about this? I agree with you. And I think I have a solution. I'm concerned about language and the breakdown of language. And that's why I don't like people cursing on my show because it's lazy. And I think there's a race to the bottom in the level of discourse in this country that is good for the Republicans and bad for the Democrats. Howard Stern, when he was pushing the envelope on broadcast radio and shocking people, hurt radio because it was pornography. And it was quick ratings, easy ratings. And then people stopped listening to intellectual conversation on FM radio. And then the minute Howard went to Sirius, he discovered intellectual conversation. And he left behind FM radio that used to be a bastion of left wing talk. It's just denuded of any intellectual conversation because the radio radio died on its own is because the consolidation of small stations by clear channel. And now it's all Jack FM and top 40 bullshit. Right. But the shock jocks helped. They were doing the work. Not as bad as fucking corporatism hurt and a big company taking over all the stations hurt. I agree with you. It's not Howard Stern's fault that the left lost radio. Well, he was carrying the water in many ways for clear channel and CBS radio because they were consolidating. And because Howard Stern is great, but when you are on FM radio, slapping prostitutes and just bringing it down to its most base level, people, you know, Kevin Rooney always says if there's a poetry reading in the basement and there's a porn shoot in the attic, everyone, including the poet, is going to be up in the attic watching pornography. You're always going to look at pornography. You're always going to choose the path of least resistance. So you're always going to listen to Howard Stern and turn off the somebody who's doing a show that's taxing your brain. I don't agree with that. Well, that's what happened. I don't agree with that on like an individual level. I don't think... I think statistically more people are going to listen to somebody farting. Yeah, a more popular show, but you can't say that something dumb is inherently anti-intellectual. I mean, there's space for both. There is space for both. And I mean, it's going to need more than like a the poetry, you know, pornography store. Howard was anti-intellectual. Well, it was an absence of intellectualism. I wouldn't say it was anti-intellectual. Okay. And that... And he pushed the envelope. He used freedom of speech to say filthy, disgusting things instead of challenging the status quo. It was a misuse of freedom of speech. And that's what I disagree with the concept of a misuse of freedom of speech. Well, I think when you abuse freedom of speech, I don't think it can be abused. I don't think it's something that can be abused. I think historically all of our rights, all of our civil liberties that we, you know, take for granted now, a lot of the times those were almost created or established by, you know, pretty clearly bad people, you know, your Miranda rights. Ernesto Miranda was, you know, he abused women, but because of a guy like that fighting for his rights, now we have, now you have the right to have your rights read to you. He also ended up getting shot to death. Did he? Yeah. Yeah. Clarence Gideon was a thief, you know? I mean, yeah. Who's Clarence Gideon? Clarence Gideon was, Gideon versus Wainwright established your right to an attorney. Oh. So a huge part of due process, your right to an attorney was established with, yeah, I'm pretty sure, Gideon versus Wainwright. Okay. And, you know, again, it's just some fucking guy who's a thief that fought for his rights to have an attorney. Do you believe in grammar, police? Do you believe that the English language should evolve slowly? I think like a larger argument about prescriptivism and language, I don't, I don't really give a shit, to be honest with you. You know, I don't have an opinion. Do you think when you send children to, because I'm making a larger point about radio and podcasts and freedom of speech and First Amendment, I believe that language should evolve. Do you think that everyone who comes to America should learn English? No. So you don't have a problem with abandoning the English language, but you do have a problem with the English language being transformed by vulgarity. No, I don't. I think there's a contradiction. No, no, no, no. I am not a grammar policeman. I believe that words are sacred and that language has to be protected because then you end up with people like Kellyanne Conway saying alternative facts, that you have to protect sentence structure. We have to agree on what words mean and not allow somebody to say that all depends on what the definition of is is. You have to make sure that people speak clearly and don't obfuscate by using words like obfuscate. So my position on language is we send our children to school and they learn grammar and they learn sentence structure. And over time, words slowly change. Language slowly changes. And then when you have immigrants come into this country, they don't have to learn the language, but they will influence the language. And then we have Oxford or whomever say this is now officially a word and it's in the dictionary. Yeah. And if it's in the dictionary, then you use it. And if it's not in the dictionary, you don't use it because once language breaks down, you're seeing what happens when language breaks down in Washington, D.C. So I'm very protective of our language. That's why I don't want my guests cursing. Okay. Well, I'm sorry. I got a pretty foul mouth. No, no, I don't care. I don't give a shit a few fucking I don't give a fuck what I'm saying is it's why I tell my kids not to curse. It's why I ask comedians not to curse because I think there's an artistic argument against cursing about how as specifically with humor, it might be easier to be funny if you're cursing. Yeah, I think I read something I can't remember where but you know people who do curse a lot are interpreted as more trustworthy. And you know what stand up you do have to establish a level of trust with the audience. Well, I don't curse and maybe that's why the audience doesn't trust me. Everybody hates you. But you know fuck them fuck the audience. I rather have them have my stand by my because I think that the first amendment should be used primarily and to attack the status quo to go and I know saying fuck is attacking the status quo but everybody says fuck use it to go after Exxon Mobile to go after Trump. Sure, but the way you protect that is by also standing up for freedom of speech and because that's what having principles is. If you want freedom of speech where it benefits you you have to stand up for it in situations where it doesn't. Okay, do you think we would have when I went to work on Dennis Miller we were on HBO and we were live and it was thrilling because he was saying fuck and it was you know it's HBO isn't this great but then you're policing yourself and then what becomes dangerous once nothing becomes dangerous nothing's funny so it's good to have taboos what if we banned the word rape from stand up yeah then you can make rape jokes you could but we you have to then rape jokes would be hysterical we kind of did we kind of went I mean obviously you can't pass a law that says that you can't make rape jokes but if you really think now that anyone beyond like the shitty open micro level is going on stage telling rape jokes and getting away with it that's just not happening you know people aren't making those jokes anymore and it was because of a concerted effort to have that you know telling everybody that it's triggering that you know you're hurting rape victims with not paying attention to the fact that you can apply that to literally almost any controversial subject murder would be triggering for somebody who had had a family member murdering you know you can't talk you there's a lot of things you can't fucking I had a pet chicken who crossed the road yeah onto the other side of the street and it went over and I find those jokes triggering yeah well and this is this even is a trite argument but I would say that that that rave you Alex that I would say that rape jokes are are have been effectively banned from standout okay and in television I mean come on you know do rape joke on TV and see how long your fucking show lasts well I met Pat McCormick and he told me this was 25 years ago he used to write for Johnny Carson he wrote a joke so 25 years ago mmm Pat McCormick told me this 25 years ago he said to me can you imagine doing a joke like this this is 25 years ago when he was looking back at Johnny in the 70s Johnny said it was so hot today the rape victims were grateful for the shade that's a good rape joke it's a perfect rape joke that he told on NBC the rape victims were grateful for the shade that's how hot it was now right now you couldn't do that joke okay but right now my listeners are in a car they are laughing their ass off because they're alone yeah they know that's funny and the people that listen to me that hate listen everything I do or calling your advertisers and they're having your show removed from iTunes did that happen to you no no uh people joshing people when they laugh alone yeah laugh at one thing and then when they're in polite company they laugh at another well I think like there's you know everyone's so obsessed with morality lately that a lot of people are afraid to share their you know impulses to certain things because they're worried they might come off you know reactionary or racist in certain circumstances or you know maybe like you know overly offended sometimes people have a lot more trouble now just being honest about their emotional reaction to something and I think that's what causes a lot of the divisiveness at least in the culture and it is partially responsible for Trump yeah you know I mean I had and you got to be careful with this conversation and but you know even me saying that it's me participating and you know kind of what I think is sort of the problem but uh over the last couple of years the arguments surrounding like why won't they just say Islamic terror you know and it's because then you have to worry about oh well people are going to be racist towards Muslims because of you know statistically a small group of people but there has to be some way to address the people that wouldn't otherwise be a piece of shit you know they wouldn't otherwise I shouldn't even say that that otherwise would be a racist who sees something like the attacks in Belgium or Paris or or you know the the situation happened in Cologne on New Years a couple years ago that doesn't you know it's stunk what happened in Cologne stunk okay well you know I mean somebody somebody that wouldn't otherwise be racist that sees a certain thing like that and they say like well can't we just say there's some kind of fucking problem here and let them have kind of which honestly yes a racist reaction just for a second so that they can get to a place where they understand that's not the right critical analysis of this you can have your racist you're allowed to be a racist for for a day after alone in your car when you're in traffic yeah and I think that if if but not publicly not publicly and I think a lot of the like I think there's going to be a lot of uh uh uh alt-right people that were created basically through this suppression of frustration they were no no no I think that drew drove people further right I think it absolutely did I think you know why won't why won't they just say Islamic terror I think if you if you were able to take that argument away from people that they did have the opportunity to you know I just I just came I don't know maybe this is you I think I've arrived at something sure maybe let me think this out comedy works when the idiots who run the nightclub are smart enough to turn the lights down on the audience yeah right yeah I can walk into a club and know how I'm going to do by whether or not the audience is lit and I get really pissed off when I go it's so simple put the spotlight on the comedian and turn the lights down so the audience is anonymous then the laugh yeah but then you know the waitresses have to be able to see the bill and then people have to be so they keep the if the audience is lit they feel then they're on then their laughs are not anonymous right radio am talk radio is dangerous because people are alone in their cars they're not in polite company when the joke is you know with my friends is I've never and you know I've never said a sexist thing or a racist thing you know except in traffic yeah I mean I did a joke on race wars that I you know I've I've never used the n word because I've stopped stubbing my toe yeah which to me is really funny it is funny it's a good job that I'm such a moron I'm a horrible human being that that I stubbed my toe yeah and I screamed the n word I said it's similar thing like you know probably a millennial version of that but anyone tells you that they've never used the n word has never played a video game where you can put in your own name so the point I think I'm arriving at is that so that when you're alone in a car and it's not polite company you believe Trump and that's why I think the FCC has to keep an eye on what's been what's being I really don't agree with that I'm not sure I do either oh man yeah I don't agree with that at all I don't think I I I think a lot of the issues right with with it's these are cultural problems that can be solved through conversations I don't think that the government needs to literally regulate speech over the year but we're not having conversations on we're not and it's yeah we're not having conversations and I think part of a very small so wasn't Howard carrying the water for the right wing by by not having debate by by dumb even if he even if he was that still will not bring me on board with the idea of of the FCC regulating shouldn't the FCC say you have an obligation to provide a public service to the community no really because that was in the man that was that is still in the mandate if you have a radio station you have to provide public service to the community which radio no longer does yeah no I don't I don't think speech should be regulated in any way but then you have corporations who through freedom of speech are able to buy up every radio station in America and strangle freedom of speech there's no freedom you can only hear right wing corporate talk yeah on radio because there's no regulation of radio mmm Canada has regulation of radio they have much better radio France I think I think they're because I'm not anti-regulation but I am anti-regulation when it comes to speech and I think that there's probably other ways to prevent one company from owning every fucking radio station in the country you know okay through yeah through regulations in terms of consolidation antitrust laws there's plenty of ways to do it without saying hey here's let's bring Barry in on the air let's bring Barry Wintra oh we don't have enough microphones okay because Barry I just did Barry's radio show uh okay Emmett till tell me about Emmett oh yeah I don't know Emmett till I don't know if I want to talk about this let's talk about Richard Spencer should you punch a lie I'm kind of out of time actually it's it's 2 30 already you can't stick around I wanted to I thought we you and Barry could go at it for a little I mean I had a heart out at 2 30 oh shit um the Richard Spencer thing I'll just say this there's a lot of debate about you know whether or not you should or shouldn't punch a Nazi and my only take on that is that like I just don't understand how people are living in this world where punchings are doled out based on these principal approaches you know I don't I don't that's my objection to it is that you know like if I being punched in the face for being a Nazi it's probably one of the most legitimate reasons to be punched in the face right I got punched in the face because I I said the band Sugar Ray sucked one time so I don't understand why there's even a question who would put first we'll have a group of bikers assaulted me for Sugar Ray for insulting Mark McGrath that's real the cops had to show up and break the thing up how would why would bikers defend my don't know I still don't know so if you get punched for that but that's a one man show what Sugar Ray no getting punched for insult but you were punched by yeah the Hells Angels I don't think they were the Hells Angels I think they were a lesser motorcycle gang but yes where in Texas they wanted to punch you for another reason no they they just love Sugar Ray that's really how it happened I shit on Sugar Ray one of them came over he's like oh Sugar Ray's great I'm like no they're fucking not ah that's why you got punched wait for disrespecting them this is maybe why the did you say fuck yeah they say fuck all the time okay so oh so tell me what happened I'm gonna tell you why you got punched uh my friend was doing impressions of Mark McGrath this biker comes over he's like uh Mark McGrath's actually a fucking badass dude you know he's a fucking cool guy and I was like no he's not what are you talking about he's like oh I saw a video where somebody calls him Sugar Gay and he got in that dude's face I'm like yeah that makes him a fucking hotheaded idiot it doesn't make him a cool guy that he got offended that a child insulted his shitty fucking band and he's like whatever man fuck you you know and it was outside a show right and what did you say after after he said that's how exactly what happened I didn't want these fucking assholes going to the show and fucking up the show you know because they got mad about Sugar Ray outside so I had a six pack of beer on me and I go up to his friend I'm like hey look I don't know why your friend's upset you know maybe we're just having a show here you know don't want to be angry here's a beer if you want he's like I don't want to fucking beer why'd you spit on me I'm like I didn't fucking spit on you why are you being confrontational being an asshole at the show and then he started punching me like immediately yeah just immediately punched me in the face wow yeah wow yeah I feel cheated you need to come back why to the show oh oh I thought you meant to that fight with no no no I feel we're out of time and yeah again I didn't get enough yeah sorry no I was jammed I was jammed up and I kept and I wanted to ask you about paranoia and smoking dope in the FBI but you got to go uh you'll come back uh yeah sure yeah this is this I wasn't enough I'm sorry I'm sorry come town you got to come back yeah thanks for having us soon as possible okay all right thank you take it easy you're listening to the David Feldman show David Feldman show dot com friend me on facebook follow me on twitter give us a good review on iTunes please copy and paste the link to our show there are at least a hundred people in your address book just forwarded to them tell them about this show I'm asking to do that become a monthly subscriber for as little as five dollars a month you can gain access to our premium content and it's five dollars I think the show is worth an expensive coffee at Starbucks once a month five dollars if all of you gave five dollars you would hear it in the show if we were making that money you would the show would be even better if you can help out great if you don't have the money I know a lot of you are frightened and strapped for cash there are other ways to help out there are other ways to help out get the word out tell me contact me stay in touch tell me what you're doing I'll thank you send me stuff send me information I need to know all right Barry Weintraub is a good friend of mine from San Francisco he's a terrific comedian and he's been doing talk radio for about 25 years you can hear him on Fox News Radio when he fills in for Alan Combs and does other fill in work coming up my friend Barry Weintraub Barry Weintraub's here from Fox News Radio Nick Mullen was just on the show I just met Nick Nick a very funny guy host of Cumtan Cumtan CUM yes it's on the kids today so I did your show yesterday yeah thank you very much thank you for having me you're in the belly of the beast I am you you've been working at Fox News Radio yeah it's not like I had my own gig but I got fortunate enough to fill in many many times yeah and so you saw you felt you know that is the belly beast you're not talking to an adoring crowd when you go on radio there as a liberal and I'm not even that liberal you moved to San Francisco what year 91 I did the competition finished third and then moved there within the next nine months okay I want to do a follow-up to my conversation with Nick Mullen we were talking about freedom of speech and how it should not be regulated and you are a cautionary tale I believe of why there should be regulation that freedom of speech can be protected through regulation and the career path that you chose was disrupted by the myth of freedom of speech and here you find yourself on my show yeah which I'm okay flattered and thrilled to be here right and and you came to San Francisco in 91 right and you stayed and you started getting radio gigs you pursued the talk radio well like everybody else you know I was invited to be on the radio with Alex with Alex Bennett with Alex Bennett and then when I first got there in my first couple of weeks I was on fire I was on a lot you're on Alex Bennett you're on KGO you started hosting radio shows over time yeah I mean what happens at first I did Alex then I got offered my own job at KSK to be KK to be Q which was this FM experiment and talk radio I was up there promoting the competition I met my partner who just recently died Charlie Weas on the air on an open mic his partner quit the day the station went on the air that station launched with 38 hours of the end of the world as you know it it was a stunt and it was going to be a wall-to-wall talk REM yeah yeah they just played it for a weekend and then they started this wall-to-wall talk show thing and they were in negotiations at that time Howard Stern was a free agent so they were hoping to put Howard Stern on in the morning had they done that I probably have a ranch somewhere out in the Bay Area and I'd be there to this day but they didn't so our format lasted it was all talk it started out with heavy metal radio music and talk and then it became kind of the K-Fog AAA album music and talk and then one day after I came back home from Thanksgiving flying you know through the night just to get there for the shift they go now we have no music and it was all talk and we were actually developing something and then they pulled the plug and I think they turned it into a Latin station which was my first lesson in radio so what happened there was a time when FM radio allowed for alternative thought liberal talk on FM radio does that exist anymore no that was a very limited experiment that was that was its moment they had it in Jersey there's a station in Jersey but I don't think it's liberal talk it's FM talk and there's a difference and I don't think they do a lot in the 70s and parts of the 80s you could have a radio show oh yeah going back to before the time I entered the business but even then weren't they more conservative no FM radio was alternative music rock and roll yes and you had people like Alex Bennett here in New York Scott Muney W uh any WFM that whole air staff they were progressive they were progressive progressive music progressive political thought yeah and that came to an end starting in the 80s and it died in the 90s why you had Reagan lifted uh two things happens the FCC and Reagan both they lifted the fairness doctrine right so there was what was the fairness doctrine uh this is a case where I'm going to be right ish and not 100 right okay okay because there were two things that happened but basically the fairness doctrine uh demanded that if for example like one candidate got x amount of air time on your station uh the other opposed the other candidate needed the same and it you had to give open time for opposing views that when we were younger uh sometimes you'd be watching tv and you go and now an editorial reply from London LaRouche right or anybody and the fairness doctrine I believe was what called for that again I'm right ish we yeah I'm in the general ballpark when that got lifted Rush Limbaugh and uh all right wing television took off it took off and it was in other words Rush Limbaugh who started out in Sacramento in 1988 right and kind of was a huckster and a jokerman blew up because suddenly local radio stations could put him on and he could say anything and without the fairness doctrine nobody could say hey there's an alternative truth here to these lies right he would claim that well we welcome all points of view but no it was the beginning of one message media and I found you know the right wing the conservative movement people on that side of the aisle have mastered the art of the communication they have dominated media while convincing everyone that liberals have are dominating the meeting because liberals fault are that we're always trying to provide balance you know journalism is objectivity I have a journalism degree you're taught who what where when why and you don't go with anything unless you have two sources or more let's get back to why we are where we are I believe in freedom of speech but I also think you have to regulate speech to protect it I believe you need now I see you need grammarians you need sentence structure you need a dictionary you need to say this word is not in the dictionary do not use it because this is the official definition of what is is there does need to be some impartial fairly recognized arbiter of reality and and truth and other countries are able to do this canada can do it europe can do it great britain can do it they can ban certain types of speech hate speech hate speech here in america we under the guise of freedom correct under the guise of freedom we gave freedom to local radio stations and said to them you don't the government is no longer going to be on your back and demand that you give alternative opinions right correct because they got rid of the fairness doctrine get government off your back so now local radio stations can have a wall of right wing talk which is syndicated from national sources and it's and it's one message under god all day long same message all day and so what happened to local radio after they lifted the the fair became a dollars and cents thing from what i understand i mean if you were a local station depending upon the local stores and merchants in your area to support you and pay the salaries of five djs you couldn't get away as cheaply as you could if you took a syndicated show that was being made in los angeles and offered to you with some sort of trade deal that put more money in your pot so you could put shun hannity on you could put rush limbaugh you could put michael savitt and they would always keep one or two local people they would keep local people and in terms of money a newspaper and a radio station generate a lot of profits don't they i've just heard the cnn made a fortune i'm talking about local the local economy it's a license to make money the that the la times to this day is is a just a license to make money and that a local radio station is a license to make money but i want to come compare a newspaper to a radio station because the airwaves belong to the public yes they do and a newspaper would be privately owned so what was the telecommunications act what what happened under bill clinton that hurt local radio i don't know i don't think i can answer that question they lifted there there was a regulation that lifted the number of o and o's that a network correct and also what is an o and o all right so there were rules about you couldn't own a newspaper and a radio station in the same market you couldn't have undue influence that's what i think we're talking about and you're it's coming back to me now because things move so fast we forget so under the guise of freedom is a tribune company could own the newspaper the chicago tribune in chicago but they weren't allowed to and again i'm going to be right ish i don't know if you could own a radio station in a tv and a newspaper but not a tv station or some combination but that bill obliterated all lines and these media corporate giants began to engulf all local media so that one company could basically be dictating what everyone in one community either read or heard the same message the same philosophy and that is let's go through this because because the listeners need to know this we we earlier in the show tina was on and she was saying you know we can't relitigate the past i disagree we need to know how we how did we get to where we are correct so there was a time when a company like cbs or clear channel could only own one or two radio stations in in a market the telecommunications act raised it to five or seven under the guise of this is good for business right and it's consolidation synergy it's good for everybody and what happened once clear channel was allowed to own five stations so this started in the nineties so what happened to to liberal talk in the nineties in a city like san francisco was making money i was the classic example so i was working occasion wasn't making money liberal talk it what okay the liberal talk wasn't that's not true but go ahead okay well when i worked it i was filling in a k g o k g o at that time 50 000 watts when i uh filled in overnight my voice was heard from the canadian border to the middle of mexico that's how strong that station was uh and they had mostly uh left and center people i think bill wattenberg you could say was a right winger i don't use an interesting character it was like a scientist right so then while i was there doing fill ins and i kept saying hey man you ought to give me a i could bring you the party crowd because they were catering to a very old audience they bought ksfo radio and they gave me a show at that time it was friday and saturday saturday and sunday nights from 10 to 1 you know while the crowd was at the party basically i was on um but we were only on for three months then they fired everybody and they started using the syndicated right wing shows pap you can and came on uh i don't remember who else at that time so what happened was a company like clear channel bought up all the radio stations in america that's happening to this day it just just happened at k g o again okay so clear channels you know others there's not many left them right all the radio stations in america got purchased by about three companies salem i don't uh you are right ish i mean whatever the number is it's a small group it's it's a tiny fraction of what there was a time when a local radio celebrity could pull in a million a year a local in a in the right market in the right market if you were getting the numbers you could pay your morning dj a million a year these radio stations as you said were licensed to print money what happened was clear channel would buy up seven stations in one market and then they'd say well let's get rid of the competition let's only focus on two or three of these radio stations the other four we have will fold into the same building right and they'll just be ancillary pieces of real estate we'll kill it off we'll kill off our competition and just focus on these three so no antitrust enforcement no the radio stations which are owned by the people the airways the airwaves are owned by they are licensed by the federal government they literally it bought up these radio stations said okay we'll keep three really strong ones and then the other four will just play with but we won't use them right they destroyed the competition there's no such thing as a local radio anchor man or morning dj with the exception of a fuse market san francisco has a couple left but not but there but there used to be local celebrities there used to be local anchors there used to be local news oh that's news they bought it they bought it all up right and then they claimed they sold it to the stockholders they sold it to congress to the fcc by saying there'll be synergy there'll be efficiency and there'll be money clear channel went into debt i was i was hoping to go in there these stations are so overburdened with debt these conglomerates yeah yeah i mean they're all bubble it's a bubble waiting to burn they're owned by mit romney's bane capital clear channel is owned by bane capital didn't know that you didn't know that no when mit romney was running for president he owned clear channel or he had a piece of clear channel because he still had money invested in bane capital that's why there's no liberal talk or conversation on radio you cannot hear liberal progressive talk maybe step is ultimately the corporations that own the airwaves even though they're technically the people's have a political agenda they have an agenda of pushing right wing division identity politics but where do you stand on the fact that they're making tons of money on the right wing they at least i think some people put their toe in the water but claimed they couldn't make money with the left wing radio that's not true you don't think it's true absolutely not because what they do is they put left wing radio they buy up five stations in a market they give the right wing station the good signal right they give the weak signal to the left wing that's funny i'm laughing because when i was kdbk kdbq we our signal didn't carry in the city of san francisco which is why they had one in the south bay and actually in the south bay we started to break the top 10 in the ratings the month they pulled us up we were only on the air for nine months yeah they didn't give us any time to really get it together and that last format was only three months because the right wing the corporatists are terrified of radio and they're terrified of television but they're especially terrified of radio because radio is so intimate and it's in your head and you hear things and you you believe it so when rush limbaugh gives alternative facts for 25 years and there's nobody saying otherwise they believe it and you can't and now you're on fox news radio which i enjoy you know a lot of people will go out could you possibly i find a lot of my liberal friends anytime you tell them you read right wing media or i participate in it i mean why not go where the message needs to be delivered right by the way i want to get to fox news radio in a second and dealing with those callers yesterday which was very enlightening they killed off all the union jobs and radio there's no more union jobs and local radio they killed off all the local news stations there's no there's there are much fewer local news reporters they're buying up newspapers the la times sure it makes you'd have to be a moron to this day not to make money off the new york of the la times but it's owned by the tribune the idiot i thought they were owned by tribune yeah so out of chicago yeah so the guy uh i can't remember his name he bought the la times somebody who at one point trump early in the campaign admonished and now is a big supporter right yeah and he racks up debt to buy the la times so all of a sudden he's saying the la times isn't making money no no no you were allowed to take a utility a public institution like the la times and buy it if you gotta be careful i don't think a newspaper is news papers are airwaves no no newspapers are making money they are making but the problem is they're owned by idiots who racked up debt because they were buying things they couldn't afford but if you look at newspaper an individual newspaper can make money if it doesn't have to service the debt of the idiot one percenter who bit off more than he can chew uh all of that is true we also you know we're not discussing the other things that happen in the newspaper industry the internet the you know the fact that people are reading news for free it's harder to monetize a story if it's online and everyone's reading it if they're not paying for a hard copy that's all true a local newspaper can still make money it could still make well there aren't many local newspapers like i grew up in yonkers they got bought a gannett owns all the westchester papers when i grew up in yonkers we had the herald statesman and they were like newspapers all up and down the hudson river in every river town now gannett owns everything and they basically have one news source and they all publish and they all get one paper up there now and it's why the country is so effing stupid and the next thing they're going after are universities that's the next well i know the right wing is making black lists so fox news you know i could not do what you do you take calls all day from right wing people all over the hate me who hate you they hate me i and it was hysterical while i i almost as well i don't want to just wanted to watch it you can you get off what makes me feel at home when people hate me it's like i couldn't visit mom and dad so i went and i talked to the right wing have you ever won an argument uh... you know sometimes because you do argue with i do argue last night i was in a particularly argumentative mood i tried you came in you were very calming and and i tried to take the approach you took the more socratic approach when i'm in a calm mood you know try to take them through certain steps of a conversation and every once in a while i've agreed to disagree no you're never gonna change anyone's mind ever you've never won an argument doing talk radio well that's a matter of perspective for example last night you had this guy screaming and yelling at me because news broke while we were on the air about uh... several countries that weren't involved in the ban are countries that trump does business in now this story broke while you and i would say that again okay uh... the muslim band impacts i let right ish four to five comp countries and i don't remember all the time i had but the story that was breaking was countries in the regions in the same region that aren't impacted all seem to have ties to trumps business and so we got this caller and he said nobody knows that how could you know where his business are and just my gut reaction was well his name is on everything right right so then i asked to talk to him while i looked it up to get my fact straight and as i read to him what i was reading uh... without screening it it said he had uh... uh... a company in sardar arabia by one name and then it went to list all those hotel companies so this guy tried to play getcha which is the problem with our our debate right and that's why i say i i just i hit on this yesterday and i like it i'm right ish i know we are up but i'm right is so i i said to the guy okay if you if i said that it everything has his name and we've just discovered that not everything had his name but it's still his business i'll give you that but in general my point is the same he's doing business here right yes so i did i win that argument and now but i had insight and we gotta get out of here we got another guest and this is how we're gonna do the show alex and this is a great lesson for me and my listeners this is a great i'm gonna i'm gonna give an inspirational lesson when and you can bring mr landers and don't lower your head in shame or i i know you hate me i know you despise me i know but that's my comfort level that's what makes me feel comfortable to hatred you know what rick overton said to me no he said you know we're rick over you know rick overton of course i do great comedian he said to me you know that feeling of sitting down and losing the chair you know that you're you're gonna fall on your ass because there's no chair he says that is the that is where great comedians live where you're you're going to sit down and it's that moment of clarity oh my god there's no chair to catch me he said to me that's where you want to be in your podcast your radio show and your stand-up that's where that's where the great yeah and so when alex says he hates me i go welcome to the club i hate me too hey um what i the reason they want you fighting with your callers that's the myth that fighting is entertainment on radio the minute somebody in right wing controlled radio because it is controlled by the the right wing they fear radio the minute somebody comes on and says forget democrat forget republican what do you care about how can we get there yeah that's not going to get that they will they'll take you off the air because then it becomes a 99% issue versus the 1% right but that's what the internet's for isn't it yeah well no the radio when it was it gets back to what i was talking about with nick mullen when you regulate speech it's the sounds orwellian we need to regulate speech to make it free okay let me leave you with one last yeah because this has been going through my head or well had it wrong in 1984 he didn't he didn't say that i know i understand that but but in 1984 or well had the ministry of truth which was basically a reeducational component right of the government the truth is we do need a ministry of truth we need some sort of certifiable source of what is true yeah because in this free market we get what i heard last night which is on reciting facts out of a court document about what trump university does to pick the pockets of single moms with three kids and the woman i'm talking to says well that may be true or not it's a court document it's true it is why we have schools and it is why i say to the right wing when i do engage in the it engage with them i'm not trying to make you feel stupid i'm trying to make you feel uneducated you are uneducated shut up listen and learn when i'm at starbucks and people are yackety yacketing and not reading i want to scream at the top of my lungs shut up listen and learn just because you can talk doesn't mean you have to right well now the problem is that those people are president of the united states we are celebrating there was a time in our country when you were ashamed of not having an education now you're proud of it now we have put we've installed donald trump who is uneducated correct he went he he went to he might have gone to warden but he doesn't know the difference between president did and president he doesn't read he doesn't watch is the news he watches the news he does not read and go look at his let's let's see his transcripts let's see his yeah i'd like to see a lot of things i'd like to see you know okay all right now i'm going to be inspirational you can go get mr landers but i'm going to inspire the audience and i'm going to inspire you we're having technical difficulties today alex we were going to do a round table i was going to have you mr landers i'm very funny yeah and mr catan and we're gonna do a round table would you come back if i said to you i i need you to come in just do 20 minutes one on one would you do that sure would you prefer that to a round table i i wouldn't have you the preference yeah i mean it was fun talking to you and i learned a lot here today but i was always fun to get that energy when people kick it around i believe that especially in show business you got to embrace the problems you know it's apollo 13 everything in life is apollo 13 folks it can either be our greatest moment or not you have to rise to the occasion i believe as either deke slayton or gene kranz said when apollo 13 was looked like the affair he said i believe this is going to be nasa's finest moment and we only remember apollo 13 and apollo 11 and we don't even remember all the other people who walked on the moon we remember apollo 13 this is america's apollo 13 moment this is a crisis you rise it's an opportunity we have a crisis here today i believe our microphones aren't working things are breaking down but look what happened instead of having a round table i'm going one on one with our guests and we're finding a different way to do the show because of it so my message to everybody is old ancient chinese saying crisis is synonymous with opportunity no idea you spoke chinese well and unfortunately milton freedman and the strausian economics team over at the university of chicago uses crisis to change an economy read the shock doctrine by naomi kline and you will realize she wrote this book about 10 years ago you will realize that donald trump is the crisis he's he thrives on they create they put him there he's the crisis that creates the opportunity to privatize this entire country and the same way they did they've privatized our airwaves and there's no truth and we're a nation of ignoramuses or ignoram i i'm too stupid to know barry weintraub you'll come back i will thank you barry weintraub comedian fox news radio will be right back pj landers is here hey buddy pj go to mr pjlanders.com to check him at our comedy village.com he is going to be in the new remake of spike lee's she got to have it she's got to have it it's on netflix welcome to the mics again mr pjlanders how are you buddy i'm doing great today how are you good i'm you know i love you and i'm glad you're here you're a great man i'm glad we both haven't been deported yet as an irish man and a jew this could happen to us very very easily or we'll be hired to do the deporting the intentions um i'm just one step above the uh the people that are the problem uh you're an interesting guy you're a hysterical comedian and you also love comedy and you support young comics you're also an army guy i am you're a first cavalry in out of texas first cavalry out of texas yeah and first responder i am a photographer you i got arrested last year because of my photography my journalism what happened i was uh following the black lives matter protest in brooklyn and i do a show this is nothing we can plug do a show called deliberately incorrect which was based on obviously a bill mars thing and i was filming and within an eight-minute span i filmed a beating of a cop beating up a six cops beating up a kid black black a and a white so be fair it was one black one white and like four minutes later i was arrested as a journalist i had a my my pass on me they arrested me because they felt i was capturing too much of what was happening and they put me in jail for like eight hours and that's under mayor deblasio it was yeah it was under deblasio and actually this was it was going back last year last year what happened was he he stopped this protest and then after that all the other protesters protests were smaller they were smaller because people got arrested for two and three days and that takes a lot you know the protesters that we see now are great i love the women who did all these protesting right but it's different from the 60s radical movements you know where are the college students i don't see these college students like what's his name um not anthony what's the guy mario in the 60s the guy mario savio yeah yeah you know bringing people like that was real protest i don't think people know how to protest anymore you got to throw yourself on the the machine is what he said to stop it yeah and as long as it's legal or it's not a fellow i mean there's a way to throw yourself on the machine metaphorically there's a way to throw yourself on the machine as a misdemeanor but taking a hammer to the window at starbucks doesn't make sense man doesn't make sense and those are different people those are not the people that are protesting they're trying to use that are anarchy ism and they think they see a movement they think this is going to make a difference i'm going to make that one guy starbucks hurt they don't realize that that's a franchise and it's one guy you were in the army terrier square egypt what did they do what did the egyptians what was the genius of that uh they were putting flowers in the the turrets that they were hugging the women were hugging and kissing the military just like the 60s it brings it right back to so if you want to help the cause give the cops a hug the women give the cops a hug right they want to be you know they're being they're kelly and conway in that they're being bullied and that's a bad analogy she should be arrested i that was a dumb thing yeah she's not being bullied she's she's going along for the life she's drinking the kool-aid she loves it all but they're being manipulated manipulated you know and you're you were in the army and you're sent to do things and you have to say yes right yeah you do you don't have a time there's no time with these type of things to say no a cop one guy cop a cop on the line could not you know he can't if you want to they'll take him off the line but the whole line cannot break you have to keep the line so there is these search you're not like the rockets a rocket can say you know what i don't want to kick but if you're a cop you have to kick you have to kick you have to kick and you have to kick hard and you have to kick as hard as the next guy or they'll replace you right and and you know that's the other thing when i see these protests when i'm watching these protests i'm there i'm literally like as close as you and i are to a cop and the protester and i'm the guy in the middle and i'm capturing everybody and it gets violent you know the cops are not always as nice as they should be joseph gerbils the hitler's propaganda minister came up with a brilliant idea this is how he dealt with hitler's opposition the most vocal opponents of adolf hitler were untouched at the beginning he said go after their underlings so that they're just alone and interesting and my advice to the left is the best way to topple fascism is to embrace the police embrace the military interesting because they have brothers sisters mothers and fathers who are being victimized by the oligarchs so the greatest tactic for the left is to embrace the police now if you're black it's a different story right that the role of the white liberal the role of our privilege is to embrace the police black lives matter what's going on is a disgrace but our white privilege dictates that we support the police in against this fascist attempt yeah i think it's interesting because if you look at like i haven't heard anything about a cop shooting a unarmed guy in a while right and i'm maybe i maybe there is one out there that's not just publicized as much as there but but you know it shows you that maybe the protests maybe the the realization to wake these cops up maybe they say okay let's let's back up a little bit let's not shoot another unarmed guy and not that they're putting themselves in risk but it shows that if we do work with the police that maybe they will realize all of our plight here and we had a guest earlier on the show today who is saying that this is the worst it's ever been is it the worst it's in what way that that our freedom of speech it's the assault it's one weekend right and this is the biggest assault on our freedoms is it fair to say i look with trump i have to preface this by saying you're a fan of trumps right didn't you vote for him well yeah don't tell anybody i'm in this studio right now and there's a six foot poster of trump don't tell anyone with a smile i'm a billionaire don't tell anybody and a and a glory hall yeah but that has nothing to do with the money no i you know i i have to i have to say i didn't vote by the way my vote didn't even get cast i'm a bernie bro but um that i i miss everybody missed the vote on trump so you can't now we have to say we were wrong every step of the way now we're going oh my god right what do we do yeah we were so you know i want to be wrong by overreacting to this well because you talk about what where we all made a mistake i didn't vote for him either i realized who he was right from the beginning a showman like he didn't realize that he was going to be in the election this long he had no idea he was going to win his ego told him yeah i could win but he had no idea you know what this is this is a movie that robin williams would do so that he could do the art film robin williams would take this role right as donald trump to make enough money to support the art films that he wanted to make yeah i think you know when you think of donald trump and his all these people who bought into it they just bought into like the silliest things you know he was able to throw up the ball and the and the pins to what make you look oh look how good i'm doing it all of a sudden he's sneaking these things he's right under let me sign this and you know people don't understand what it means actually you know you read a cover here closing the golden door right extreme vetting today well not today but in new york city there was a there was a thing that you know these two guys from egypt or iran iran couldn't get into the into the city they were stopped at jfk because of the order wow so they were stuck these three of them they just got released a little while ago but they they were for eight hours they were questioned in in jfk not even left not even arrested nothing but they were stopped because that's one of the people on the list so it's it's incredible that that you know all of this is happening and like what are we going to do like where are the government where is the rest that are republicans that are like i don't even hear these people a couple of them have said something but why are they not getting together why because they want the control they want to be the republicans again and we don't care what trump does i don't worry it's just the muslims don't worry they will put a little ban on them a little 120 day ban there should not be one day bad you know you're in trouble when dick cheney says about the trump ban it's against everything we have to stand for that's got to be bigly bad you know when when dot vader is telling you to slow it down you're doing something wrong yeah yeah that is it it's uh well i guess we we have to frame and brand the gop as the party that hates arabs muslims black people and mexicans that is who they are they don't want people of color to vote or come into this country it's undeniable now right yeah it's absolutely and and that's how they have to be presented and just to my advice to the listeners is they are as racist as the democratic party was during the civil war beat them to that punch because they always want to go well the democrats during the yes 150 years ago yes you're absolutely right the democratic party uh was you know and mcdonald's used to have ddt in its burgers but you know things change change right uh yeah it's it's so disheartening are you anxious well when you said to me that you were arrested while obama was president and deblacio is still the mayor of new york city and i love deblacian i love obama do we run the danger of overreacting thinking things have changed haven't we always been an oppressive regime haven't we always locked up the press we always have yeah and and and even but it's scarier under trump i think it's scarier under trump because you think like for instance there's three journalists that got busted at uh in washington dc six six of them okay they're going to be charged with felonies you know they tried a felony on me as well what does a felony mean uh it's actual i don't know i don't know but you know it goes from like mr meaner to to felony so it it's the i mean it's like prison time right oh that definitely yeah i can't go to prison because i i promised myself i would stop sucking cock and i just know that well stop five minutes from now wow there you go what's happening in the comedy world we're in a bubble in manhattan i've known you see we have we have tourists there have been a trump supporters in the audience but they're outnumbered what's your take on performing and doing trump material what i found is prior to the election prior to the election it was it was fun it was interesting because i would say hey how many trump supporters and people some would cheer yeah and others would boo but now if you start bringing it up it seems that everybody just goes completely silent the people that voted for them maybe you'll get one guy who's got a couple of drinks in them says yeah i voted for trump yeah are you proud of it dead silence are you scared no no i'm actually trying to do more fill it into my normal way of thinking in life and then adding these trump things and i want people to know i said it a couple of times uh since he's been president i've said it several times on stage people that's what comics have to do right we have to make you realize how fucked up this is this is not good for anybody this is not just bad for the muslims because if you realize it all of these things that he's doing puts pressure on all of us how how about now that you know you you you can't look it's almost back to the days where you look at a muslim friend that you've seen her a while and he might question you right even though he knows you for 10 15 years i guess what you're saying is to our listeners evil only exists when good people in their frito stained underwear don't retweet you gotta retweet i know it's hard but you have to retweet you have to retweet you have to retweet hey pjlanders i love you i really do you're a great man you are going to be in spike lee's remake of she's got to have it on netflix go to mr pjlanders.com or comedy village.com where can we see your photographs you can go to spot news video spot news video.com you can see some of the photos that i've done throughout the years several different protests and fires and things like that that's a pretty interesting side i'm glad to be back on the show and so you you you photograph the crime scenes i do it's not like a pop around i think alex and i think there's going to be something today the murder in the road murder she wrote thank you pj thanks for appreciating thomas tamer katan joins us he's the winner of the world series of comedy 2015 in 2014 he won the ginger award for best new international act at the edenberg festival he will be at gondy is that you february eighth at lucky jack's bar on orchard street i'm there i believe this week welcome tamer katan thank you david felvin you sound so professional and so reserved i i do yes but it's going to get ugly good i like that this is nice there's a buildup you don't want to pull a hamstring the edenberg festival 2014 i been told to try to do that yeah it's insane it is insanity yeah i i it's i did a 134 shows in one month wow it was like eight shows a day and it's a it's a it's insane i mean the out the big saying is the hour you go with is not the hour you come home with so i mean i had almost 20 new minutes and and such such a spectrum of shows because you'll start doing shows 11 o'clock in the morning doing guest spots and other people shows and then you know my show started 11 30 at night which at first i'm like oh no it's really late and they're like no it's not late i was doing and then i did late and live i was getting on stage at 3am and then you deal it's funny because the british people and you know scott's scotsman they're always so reserved and well behaved when the sun's out but when they get drunk it's just americans they just turn into americans at night that's their werewolf they curse better they curse better and they they scream and they heckle better they just call it a bit of banter but really it's abusive language what is the ginger award it was different so inside the edinburgh fringe there's these different organizations like just the tonic is one so they run a bunch of rooms and then there's the laughing horse and they run a bunch of rooms so the entire fringe has the fringe and then the free fringe and the ginger award was these group of guys that had four or five different venues and then they pick their favorite international act that must have been amazing it was fun yeah i was really happy you know it was my first time performing in in europe for european crowds especially that many crowds over a period of time and um you know it was it was the first time where i was sort of a novelty yeah you know in the uk to be the it was interesting to be the foreigner to be the one with the accent right that was a trip right and they're smart audiences right very smart audiences literally and and international or mostly great very international commonwealth a lot of well in terms of the other comedians they were very british mostly brit mostly england a lot of irish a lot of scottish right but the audiences were extremely international right i mean people from south africa would come canada america the audiences were from all over the place this is a meme that i found on the internet why we love Scotland and there's a picture of donald trump and these are curses descriptions of donald trump from scotland butt plug face two-paid fuck trumpet cock womble mangled apricot hell beast witless fucking cock splat incompressible jizz trumpet ignorant fuck muppet and finally tiny fingered cheeto faced ferret wearing shit gibbon i love it i love it that's why everybody bless scotland and god bless veep and in the loop uh there you ever watch those tv shows veep yeah what did they do well well the um armando ianucci hired a guy from scotland as a professional cursor amazing and because they know how to curse yeah and so if you watch the movie in the loop which was written by armando ianucci oh i gotta check it out the guy was playing dr who now just has these great curses and they're written by a scott that armando ianucci hired and his british series that in the loop uh is uh an extension of his british series anyway let's talk about performing overseas you performed in great britain you were welcome there yeah you know american comics have difficulty performing making money overseas because we do not allow ferners to perform here in america we make it very difficult whenever i go up to montreal i i've been writing for the montreal comedy festival uh for years thanks to mr jeff singer and other people and i always hear complaints from english speaking ferners that they can't get into america unless they bang and marry one of our women yeah it's hard for ferners to come to are you saying foreigners that way on purpose yeah it's hard it's hard for it's hard for english speaking non-americans to perform comedy in america what are the barriers that they put up i think the biggest thing and something that we don't realize is the influence of our entertainment industry even when we make a reference they know they know us because all our tv shows are omnipresent regardless of the country like i have a friend in sweden who's an amazing comedian and he grew up in sweden raised in sweden group with english professors and when he performs in london they're like why do you have an american accent and they give him shit for it and he goes listen if you want me to speak with a british accent you should have made better films and and and that's that's our reality we're lucky that even almost any of our references they get he was born in sweden born sweden never lived in america but so speak english with an american accent so the the the world the the lingua franca is english which is kind of ironic since lingua franca is a french right yeah that's yeah it's it was the language of diplomacy yeah in the 19th century but now the lingua franca is english that's depressing so an english speaking performer can pretty much go to germany yeah speak english yeah well here's the thing that happens in places like germany germany and france and you've been doing this yeah yeah i performed in berlin quite a bit in uh munich a little bit and what happens there is english comedy goes in and out of fashion right you can see it like right now english speaking comedy clubs are blowing up like i have a friend named ray malare well they're really going to blow yeah that trump is present yeah i have a friend named ray malare from argentina who started who was one of the guys that started the english speaking comedy scene in berlin and it goes in and out of fashion like when you get off the plane and you're walking through the streets in london if english politics american politics are popular everybody's still wearing american flags on their clothing if it's not the union jack is back and that's when you know it's going to be a little bit tougher to get work so really our politics influences sometimes positively sometimes negatively like because of trump people really want to hear what a middle eastern american has to say prior to trump they yeah i guess even prior to trump they did to be honest but there are times when they've just had enough of us and i think right now it's getting to that point you're starting to see stuff even in new zealand there's a sign outside of a bar that says americans can only enter when accompanied by an adult you know that's funny there's a lot of people that's in new zealand that's in new zealand i'm sure peter teal will get to see that because he's giving up his citizenship in the united states wow yeah the peter teal the the gay founder of paypal who he put gawker out of business and he endorsed donald trump turns out he's getting citizenship in new zealand unbelievable yeah thank you i'll pay for the airfare to get the hell out of my country yeah so is it easy for you as an american to get booked overseas because i've always thought because we were blocking foreigners they reciprocated by blocking us so is it harder for you to travel around the world i was lucky i think i was lucky because i got to london and i developed in london so i think in a lot of ways they they look at me as one of their own and even i think my style of comedy i've even even when i perform comedy in the states i've had british audience members come out to you and go you remind me of a british comic right why did you develop in england um i started in la and i had a full-time job and i was only gigging like three times a week and still working advertising during the day when i went to the edinburgh fringe i won this competition and i was given an artist residency so that's when i quit the day job moved to london what is artist residency uh basically i got to live in a comedy condo and paid 300 bucks a month and i got a performers visa that guaranteed i made more money than i would pay for rent so i'm american huh it is an american yeah it is an american so how long did the visa last uh it was every three months i'd have to go to france for the weekend i'd go to paris i'd gig in paris and then i'd come back and also discovered something in paris my name is tamar but in french tamar means your mother and the comic before me this one night his name was nick and nick means fuck so when the host said give it up for nick in your next comic tamar it was like fuck your mother so my name became a punchline in paris like every time i'd go up they had a show called french fried comedy it was all about american american comics performing there's a small there's probably about 20 american comics that live in uh that live in in paris really yeah yeah they're great did they speak for is a guy row he row his first name b e a r is the last name i think his real name is robert but he goes by robert well shout out to robert do they perform in french or english in english in english so english speaking comedy right now is in vogue but then there'll be times where it goes out what about a montreal i don't know in montreal i've never gigged i've never gigged in kebabs you know what it is with with my experience with montreal where i love montreal is i wonder how well anyway so you can be an english speaking person in france yeah and do comedy yeah which is rare because france is usually the france in germany in particular they are so proud of their own languages they're two of the only countries in europe that where they always dub their films instead of subtitles because they want to maintain the mother tongue and so it was i was really surprised to see that well it sounded like you wanted to maintain the mother tongue while you were in france right i did i absolutely french women my god they're amazing why i think because culturally at a very young age this is going to sound creepy but it is acceptable for young girls to have to date much older men and it almost like it's almost like uh i don't know like like a like a rite of passage where the old guy teaches them about sex and then later on in life they date guys that are more age appropriate but to see like a young girl with an older guy is not that big of a deal not necessarily being that i want to be the older guy with a young girl but when i did meet you wouldn't mind being the younger girl some older guy well i wouldn't be i wouldn't mind being the recipient you know the recipient of the uh the benefit of the education right these young girls that were really open sexually you know same in sweden these girls are just really open sexually and you know like you keep talking i gotta go book a flight but it's great man like even you know the phrase let's go dutch that's scandinavian culture right like we forget it's called dutch because it's scandinavian culture women do not expect you to pay even when i open a door a girl's knees would buckle like they swedish guys it's 50 50 there to a fault there was a girl on a train i helped her put her luggage up she was like i'm gonna fuck you like she just because i helped her put her luggage up like i think it's changing a little bit like sweden's gotten a little westernized with american influence but man if you did little gentleman gentlemanly things man didn't make a difference so why aren't the guys what what is this they they they overcorrected for feminism and well stock home and london are both boy's towns they're so sports crazy that if a girl wants to meet a guy the girl has to go to where the guys are in america it's the other way around there's a gay guys have to go to where yeah you think gay girls girls are girls are way more laid back because men rule the clubs in the sense that men are the ones who make the club successful so the clubs are tailored for men whereas here if the pretty girls go the guys go so i think over there it's more of a boys world and it's eat the girls are way more laid back and way more open to meeting guys and if you behave in a way where you're a little bit kinder to women boy do you reap the benefits and do you think women in america appreciate tenderness and kindness i do yeah i think i think i think i do but they want it to be authentic that's the bummer you know if you're a guy that genuinely wants to know a girl's sign you're fucked what's your sign i really care it's like fuck you you know people have bastardized opening lines like because they get so attacked it's hard it's hard for the authentic are you married no no single guy i have a girlfriend a new relationship and it's fantastic i'm lucky and how often are you traveling overseas um i what probably twice a year now that i'm now that i'm in the states i finished an album in the states so i really wanted to come here work on that hour and i really want to make it here more than i did in europe but now that i'm in new york now i'm going to be going to europe more often because from l.a. to london was a much tougher flight and much tougher to do gigs where it's now i can totally do that now it's it's i mean the flight from new york to london or new york to la it's equidistant so now it opens up it opens up my jobs is it fair to say that comedians are treated better in europe 100 percent than they are in the united states 100 percent but but i'm told we're number one and everybody wants to make it here in the so right oh man the weirdest and saddest the saddest i felt after feeling good was when i got off the stage in london and realized i was more free on stage what do you mean for i was more free to speak about whatever topic i wanted to speak about and the audience would give me an opportunity to speak the other thing is when you're performing in london most of the good shows you're not even allowed to order drinks when a comic's on stage it's there's three comics and then there's an intermission and you can get your drinks you can get your cigarettes and everybody comes back 15 minutes 50 minutes later like adults and there's three more comics and that's the show and there's you can't order drinks if you heckle you're kicked out and then there's other clubs you know like jonglers which is like that's where all the the bachelor and bachelorette parties go and it's a madhouse but for the most part i mean places like the comedy store mic the comedy store in london is just like i've never felt an audience like that they're they they they say that they built the store the the building around the stage and they did i mean it's a pizza wedge that comes to the stage and the ceiling also comes down so the first time i hit a big laugh on that stage it felt like a giant finger poke me in the chest i've never felt an audience like it too easy no because there is this idea here in manhattan that you got to punch it out yeah in one shithole after another yeah really find out if a bit is funny yeah can you get spoiled you know what i think i don't think so because the comedy store also has this cool they have this culture they're a banter right where the audience gives the comic shit and if the joke's not good they'll tell you like the way you get passed for like new comics at the comedy store in london is a show called king gong so what they do is you go up you have five minutes and while you're performing there's a gong behind you and there's red cards handing out handed out to people in the audience if they don't like you they have raised these red cards and once they get three cards you hit the gong and you're off you're offstage so there's that there's that culture there right and so it keeps them coming at you the one thing that's different that i think the sweet spot is in between their culture and ours is you know louis was talking about how you know a new hour every year like carland did well in the uk that's kind of par for the course because of the presence of the edinburgh festival if you do a one hour set one year in edinburgh you get reviewed by all the publications and if you go back the next year and you have the same one hour you don't get reviewed so everybody every comic there writes a new hour every year they all have health insurance yeah national health care yeah absolutely uh they're not as frightened as not at all and they're creative yeah what about their work ethic i mean what about you know you give comics dental health care doesn't that make them lazy that's what i would be told you know they almost work too hard because of the presence of don't you don't you have to be frightened scared yeah i agree with i'm joking there's fear is good you put salt in the soup you need to put salt in a little bit i think this country we're worth we are a third world nation we just don't know it yeah i don't know i absolutely agree with that we you know it doesn't feel i remember here here's the thing that blew me away i went to sweden and when i wanted to learn swedish because my i started school in sweden and my friends were already enrolled and i had to wait you went to school in sweden yeah to university of london southern sweden so when i was university of what lond l u n d okay it's in southern sweden so i was taking like a certificate coursework there and my friends were in class so i started going to the movie theater because they subtitled there so judge dredd was playing a still on film and it was rated x and i was like well still on doing porn out here and i didn't know and i saw normal people going in so i'm like all right i'm gonna go see it regular still on film rated x two weeks later i see a swedish film with my friend and his eight-year-old nephew and it's pg and this guy pulls out his cock and he's like waving his dick around and i'm looking at this eight-year-old kid sitting next to me he's just eating popcorn like no big deal with the pg stands with a pg stands pretty good yeah yeah right pretty good penis so i go out and my buddy goes oh i forgot you're american i'm like what do you mean and he goes we rate our movies on violence you rate your movies on sex that's just too perfect it's per and he goes i would rather my nephew see a man make love to a woman than decapitate someone what's the difference yeah i felt like a monkey man you know it was isn't that the same thing almost the same thing but if you're a if you're a what do they call that sounds like that mantis for praying mantis it's the exact same thing that guy's cock was big enough to go ahead i'm sorry well it made me feel like a monkey you know and it made me realize that there's some software in my brain that i didn't question it was just implanted there it's like that u2 album they put on our iphones like i didn't ask for it they just shoved it in there and and for the first time it made me go i have to start questioning this cult that i'm in yeah you know we're in a cult and we don't realize it and it does feel like being a cult because every time i leave america i have people coming out to me going are you okay right like what's it like over there and and and i realize how scary we are to people people are afraid of us i don't know that they respect us anymore they fear us well i didn't make up this saying but you don't want to be healthy in a sick society if you're feeling sick and disgusted that's a healthy response to the toxic stew you're you're you're living in turn off your tv last night i decided i have i have cable some kind of basic cable i never use it i need to cancel it and i couldn't figure it out if i said i want to watch c span and i turn on c span and i watch the the march the march of life what was it called oh yeah the uh yeah march of life yeah the anti-abortion people yeah the march march for life march for life yeah uh which you know they're all for marching for life unless you're a syrian refugee marching yeah for life then they're not and i started getting an anxiety they made me it's it looked like a bad movie yeah it was like a they were all characters that you know and they were laughing and pants yeah uh yeah i mean these people are just um he's he's playing the media is i mean think about this right he his show had the first popular villain amorosa right and if you look at steven colbert versus um versus john steward steven colbert was loved by both sides well the other side didn't know he was a put-on they didn't know he was sarcastic didn't get sarcasm that's why i stopped doing the colbert thing go ahead so i think that's that's what trump's doing right he's when it comes to things that are really divide he's he's basically he's a he's a leader based on perception not reality he never wants to be the messenger he's turning this into popularity contest by any means necessary he doesn't care if it kills people he doesn't care if it hurts people so he's now what he's doing is he's separating himself from government so he's saying hey i i'm for torture but i'm gonna defer to mills and he's against it right so now it's like well wait well what is the white house stands i'm steven colbert now i'm speaking to both sides right right and same with this abortion stuff he's i'm gonna have pence speak to it oh but i myself and now you've got all these people saying oh well trump's not really for abortion but he's allowing it to happen he's allowing the the end of roe roe v weight which is that's archaic but and he's playing us because he's too cowardly to have an opinion right you know i was doing colbert before colbert was doing colbert and i was john wanted me to work for steven i was i wanted to but it was a non-union gig at the at the time so i couldn't do it and i stopped doing the colbert thing uh in the early 90s where i was just coming on stage and playing the conservative because i began to notice that i was playing clubs that were all right wing and they thought i was serious i was doing jokes like you know we got to get you know hell with the planet forest fires we got to cut down trees trees are the number one cause of forest fires you ruin your golf game yeah i mean and and and i get these big laughs and i said oh my god they think i'm serious and i and you know colbert is much more talented than i am and much smarter i'm a pretty big fan of yours well this is what i remember and this is why i stopped doing the the satire and then i had a flashback yesterday when we were in serious xm so i want to share this with you i remember listening to rush limbaugh in 1991 i used to listen to him when he started because i was living in san francisco and he used to be on in uh sacramento nobody knew who he was and then my dad was began listening to him in new york city and said i love this guy he's a carnival barker he's an idiot he's funny he's so outrageous you know nobody takes him seriously and he hid behind comedy rush limbaugh he always said i'm a comedian i'm a comedian i'm not really fun i'm trying to be funny here and i remember driving to los angeles from san francisco on highway five the day shock and awe started in 1991 when we started bombing iraq and i tuned in to hear rush limbaugh because i thought okay you got your war rush yeah we're bombing iraq it's 1991 let's hear it and he took the day off jesus he took the day off the day we went to war in iraq he had been beating the drum and been funny and then he took it off and i got and i went i am not going to pretend to be a conservative anymore yeah because these guys are cowards and their audiences are so stupid yeah that they think i'm serious and i just morally i couldn't do it anymore i couldn't i couldn't do it well i have a ton of respect for you for doing that because money is a tough thing to give up so here's the here's i had a flashback well i wasn't making that much money it was 19 you know come on i wasn't successful at it but here's when i had a flashback yesterday we were doing john fugal saying show yeah over at serious xm you know i love john is me too he's great he's the best and so brave i had this idea that i wanted to go after xon mobile because xon mobile is the devil they have installed trump they've populated the cabinet with operatives well man yeah they knew about they knew that they were going to raise the earth's temperature by five degrees they hid the evidence and just called it a mild clerical error i thought well here i am i'm going into this i'm going to the 40th floor at the mcgraw hill building serious xm i cannot call for a boycott of xon mobile because john has sponsors you cannot you can't go after the corporations right yeah so what i did is i said i just want to say this boycott of xon mobile is wrong do you remember i said that i do i said you know we cannot we cannot allow this boycott of xon mobile yes i yes they did know that they were raising the temperature by five degrees uh but that was a clerical error so i turned it into a joke and i said oh that's what satire is yeah where you where you say the opposite yeah because you're not allowed to say the truth exactly you know who invented that jonathan swift well there is a book called hip the history and it was about black people and they were when they were enslaved they said where did cool come from and talked about when black people were enslaved there was one time that the white master would allow black people to lead it was when they were in church and they let the black priest speak to the black congregation so they started using language to confuse the white master so if a guy tried to run away he'd be like you all saw that jimmy ran away he's one bad man really the white guy would hear him say bad man but the congregation understood that bad meant good and then later on when black people came free this other skill set they had was music so they go to blues clubs and jazz clubs and then the hep cats came and they started learning the language that's where cool came from so this opposite language and what you're doing now it also comes from people that are trying to fight back it's fighting language it's revolutionary language to say the absolute yeah it to exclude that to be able to speak you know it's just like capoeira so it looks like they're dancing but really they're fighting to confuse the the overlords so absolutely yeah i think that language has roots and has great i didn't even i wasn't even aware of what i was i kind of beautiful that you did it naturally i i i thought oh that's what i was doing yeah i smiled when you did it because that's the first thing i thought of i was like bravo i forgot how to do that yeah hey tamer katan we're going to wrap it up will you come back of course i'd love to be back this was this was we have a lot of show today you're going to be at gondi is that you yeah february eighth and how do you confuse gondi was it prince in a poncho of course it's gondi gondi is that you're a brown tiny guy speaking of passive resistance that's that's the way to fight absolutely do especially now study gondi don't punch nazis yeah you're right study gondi uh lucky jack bar on orchard street february eighth i'm going to be there february third right alex february first i'll come see you you are the winner of the world series of comedy 2015 you won the ginger award even though you're not a redhead in 2014 for best new international act at the edenberg festival hey we're all out of time i have one final question yes sir your dad is a muslim yes sir your mother's a jew yep what do you think of the muslim band i think it's we're all out of time thank you tamer we'll talk to you next time hey that's our show i'm not gonna apologize for the length but i will for the girth sorry i come on what am i gonna do we worked hard this week and we're gonna keep working hard for you this is gonna be america's finest moment i 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