 Live from Vancouver, Canada, it's theCUBE at OpenStack Summit Vancouver 2015. Brought to you by headline sponsors EMC and jointly by Red Hat and Cisco with additional sponsorship by Brocade and HP. And now your hosts, John Furrier and Stu Miniman. Okay, welcome back everyone. We are live here for day two of coverage of the OpenStack Summit in Vancouver, British Columbia. This is theCUBE Silicon Angles flagship program. We go out to the events and extract the signals of noise. We are right on the ground floor here at the convention center in Vancouver, getting all the action, talking to all the people around at night, getting all the data, trying to share that and tell that story and give you the straight scoop on what's happening at the OpenStack Summit, what's going on in the OpenStack community. I'm John Furrier, my co-host this week, Stu Miniman, wikibon.org.com analyst, Stu. Day two is kicking off, day one was great. I mean day one had all the flare, all the glitter, all the glam around and big announcements, federated identity, the certifications of big news and you're starting to see some community tools and the theme of multi-cloud, right? So again, big day, big splash in the pool and day one, day two is where we kind of get in and we start unpacking it and understand where the rhetoric is and where the value is and where the reality is. So Stu, reality is OpenStack, is it real? How real is it? Where is it? What's your take? A lot of stuff's happening. Let's see it. Yeah, John, so I love some of the marketing around this show. The release that we just had was Kilo, which is number 11, so say turn an OpenStack to 11 man, but if I look at it from a reality standpoint, the question we've had for the last couple of years is, is OpenStack mature? Mark Collier gave a great keynote this morning, brought on some good customer cases, brought on Google to talk about some cool technology, announced the community app store, which I really like, but if you ask me today, is OpenStack mature? I'd say that all the pieces are in place so that now we can get mature. I like the Def Core model that they've put in place. What they are now calling the Big Tent, so rather than having integrated release, let me see, it goes through, I've got heat orchestration, ironic bare metal, Trove database, celliometer, metering, and those things aren't part of the Def Core. The Big Tent is just going to be really the compute, storage, and networking with a few other pieces, so it's really the core foundational pieces. Explain the Big Tent model, Stu. Yeah, so Big Tent, it used to be that everything, every project kind of went through a cycle, went from something that was just kind of, people were working on it, and it eventually got moved into the big open stack release, and when I get OpenStack, I get all of it, but as we talk about it, OpenStack isn't one software product, it's really a number of projects that come together, so Big Tent is kind of going to be those base pieces, which is... Especially what's in the platform. It's what's in the platform. This is an integrated approach, it used to be integrated approach, you go to add stuff in, and now they put it all into one big release. Right, so, AKA Big Tent. Absolutely, so, right, Big Tent, so Mark Collier actually said, you know, we've been struggling, what is OpenStack? Is it a cloud platform? Is it a solution? What is it? And he said it's actually an integration engine, and one of the examples I really liked is, you know, of course containers is the hot technology. Can't wait, John, we're going to be at DockerCon next month to really document what's going on there, but if you look at the Magnum project here, what Magnum does is really provides that glue to be able to take either Docker Swarm or Kubernetes and plug that into OpenStack underneath with heat and that management project there, so it's really how OpenStack is going to provide that pervasive layer, provide potentially some interoperability there, and people are going to know what they get when they say they're buying OpenStack, which today is just not the case. You talk to the storage companies and say, oh yeah, we're working with OpenStack, maybe we've done a little bit of testing, maybe we've got some API integration, but what is and isn't OpenStack before wasn't real clear, and I think by the time we come next year to Austin, we will have a much better state, and hopefully we'll be able to say, yeah, it's mature, and let's go gangbusters. So this brings up the question ultimately of the maturity level, and my take is, based on my reports and my conversations, it's far from mature, however, we are seeing a crossing of the chasm of OpenStack, hype, OpenStack positioning and marketing to really seeing stuff run in production, and that to me is the benchmark. Demos on stage are live, you have customers announcing in production, so that is the ultimate rubber hitting the road, in my opinion, a great signal of path to maturity, far from mature in my opinion, a lot of dynamics going on, but the great news is it's maturing, and I think that's the key word, so I think if you say OpenStack's mature, no way, things like the BigTent, things like certification, these are the hardening details that need to be there. Yeah, John, absolutely, so last year, I think we thought that Nova was good and stable, Swift and Cinder were in good shape, so that's got your compute and your storage. Neutron, at least halfway through the show here, I feel we've got more of the pieces in place, had a phenomenal interview with Dave Meyer and Tom Nadeau from Brocade, talked about what they're doing, what people like Kyle Messery at HP's doing, what Cisco's doing to help really pull some of the open daylight functionality and have that work with Neutron so that we've got really the framework to help that networking piece, which is usually one of the stumbling blocks for any cloud environments, I mean think back to the XSPs in the 90s, John, the reason they failed was lack of good networking and security, so networking needs to be solid and the pieces are coming in place and a good piece of ecosystem, Red Hat also said. Yeah, I was talking to the boys last night here in the production team, we're looking at the editorial angle and we were commenting on what makes the cube different and really what that is is that we're on the ground, we get to see all the action, you can see people behind us talking, there is so much activity and I think one of the things that's not underscored in the news outlets that aren't here is, literally people sitting on the floor stew, you walk in the sessions, it's packed, people are literally sitting on the floor with their laptops, the sessions are dynamic, they're meaty and this is a great sign and we saw this early on in the VMware community stew, you saw that firsthand when the geeks are paying attention with full attention on the floor sitting, packed houses, just absolute engagement on the open stack, so maturing path, definitely mature not, is it going to mature, it's moving fast, I think there's a mandate, there's certainly attention, all the geeks are on the ground, literally on the ground, studying the sessions are packed. John, I love that and one of the things, if you talk to the vendors here, it's gone from the people at the big companies that are helping to build this, talking about it too, they've got the customer case studies now which is always the first indication, we're going to be interviewing a couple of the users here on our program, because how are they using it, what are they doing with it? eBay gave a phenomenal presentation this morning in the keynote, we've tracked eBay for years, John, they're one of the early big users of what's going on open stack, massive scale, of course, not the typical enterprise use case, but lots that can be learned there, I liked what I saw from Google, there was a joke that Mark actually said, hey Google, why are you here? And they're like, well, we want to take Kubernetes and put it everywhere and we can span between the Google Cloud Platform and a rack space open stack, do some load balancing, do some different things there. The game is not over, Google is a great example and this is kind of to our point last night and about the people sitting in the sessions, is this game is unfolding and this is a real nuance in this marketplace and this is worth reporting to, is that you have a seniority level of people who have been in the community who have been here from the beginning, who have passion, who have a commitment and have that open source ethos, then you've got the big whales coming in, you've got Cisco here, you've got EMC, but EMC recently acquired cloud scaling so they go up in notch and credibility, Cisco trying to ingratiate into the community, you've got IBM here, so you have the big dogs here, then you've got the purists like Red Hat who have been around for a while. So what you have is a melting pot, a fusion of vendors and there's a real cadence around, don't overstep your boundaries if you're new to the ecosystem because there's some self-governance going on in this community where quality of the code and your role in the ecosystem is being watched so you can do some gimmicks, you can do some marketing, but at the end of the day, this community is very senior and very deep in the early guys, so that's exciting and that's why I think it's still going to have a lot of legs, the founder's still around, you get the core, kernel, but then you've got the new entrance coming in, you've got real contribution from Cisco, what HP's bringing to the table, this is real contribution. You have thoughts on that. So I mean a big question right is, what is the business model to be able to monetize what's going on in an open source model? Red Hat took them 15 years to reach a billion dollars, will open stack and open shift, help them get that next billion dollars and they've been making some good moves there, real good presence here at the show, of course. Some of the vendors, it's really going to help them sell their underlying infrastructure underneath it, but they have to be contributors, they have to be a big piece of it, so it's still really emerging, a lot of these are the services and solution building that we've put together and as I said on the open yesterday, I want to see the software get baked more, I want to see things that can be easily repeatable because it can't be a science project. One of the things I'm actually happy about is when you kind of poke at, well okay, did Walmart have a couple thousand people working on this? It's no, no, no. It's like 10, 20 people working on this and the people talking in the keynotes is this wasn't that they put 50 people and worked on it for a year, some of these environments they spun up pretty quick. The demo for Google with Rackspace using Kubernetes is something they did in the last week, so proof of concept, try some interesting things as we've talked about often, John, it did innovate, you need to be able to try fast, fell fast, iterate and move forward and it's nice to see that OpenStack pieces are getting there because before, that's Amazon's story, that's how I can try fast and do some interesting things and if OpenStack can help broaden that base of where I can try and innovate, that's a big win for the industry. Stu, I love working with you on this OpenStack beat because you're in the trenches, you're totally geeking out, I see you working the extra hours putting in the troll in the booths yesterday during the keg party that was going on with all the vendors, which essentially that's what I call the, that happened to be a show here with this big keg party. Tons of beer last night, but you were going around digging around the booths. What's the story? I mean, what's the vibe? Are you seeing venture capitalists here? We saw Menlo Ventures pop up to the cube earlier. Have you seen any VCs here? I haven't seen a lot of VC action, either they're huddling away, but is there an investment climate? What's the vibe? What are you smelling out there? So it's interesting. I've talked to Ryan Floyd a bunch of time from Storm Ventures and he was really one of the first, if not the first VC investing in OpenStack and some of the early companies that we've interviewed on the program before. So there's definitely more money pumping in, the VCs are coming in, especially we saw a bunch of exits over the last year, John. So as companies are successful and either grow, like Morantis is still growing, I bumped into the Piston folks, they've got some good activities going on here or the people that have been acquired over the last year. It does put some more interest in there. There are, I was happy to see on the show floor some new entrants coming in the market. I was talking, you know, John, I do a lot with the kind of converge and hyper-converged space, a little company called Stratoscale actually has some funding in from Cisco Ventures, if I remember that right. And they're doing stuff with OpenStack and containers to try to take, you know, go beyond kind of the virtualization and into that next wave of containerization in new modern apps, which is part of the discussion we're having in general here is, you know, OpenStack can't just be extending virtualization into kind of a cloud-ish platform. It needs to help us get to that next generation. You interviewed Sam Ramji yesterday talking about cloud foundry. We need, you know, whether it's Paz or Cloud Native, whatever we talk that. How do we drive those new applications? Because that's what drives the new business value. Who's coming in in a big way? You got EMC obviously here in a big way. Oracle, interesting, and what's been reported, certainly out there, hasn't been really kind of unpacked, is their AccuHire, if you will, of Piston Cloud. Or their lack of buying them, I should say. So as you know, they went under. There was rumors that Business Insider was reporting that they were going to buy it. They didn't buy it. They carried all the engineers. We're going to dig into that story a little bit further. But Oracle has a big booth here. They announced a relationship with Mirantis. Mirantis is the bell of the ball here. They certainly have a lot of gravity around there. Situations, success is deploying OpenStack. AppSierra announced this morning a relationship with Mirantis. So Derek Collision last night, trying to get him on the Cube. Again, a startup, XVM, we're out there. So a lot of stuff happening in the startup ecosystem. So the question's due is, are they groping for a position? Is there a path for startups? Is there enough white space? And is it a groping contest? If there's some consolidation, if there's some, you know, I mean, Piston Cloud was a really amazing company. Yeah, and John, absolutely. I worry a little bit that with all the big companies, throwing a lot of money and a lot of people and buying some of the small guys that they can smother some of that innovation. And if you look at the big tent model, there are some projects that aren't going to be core. And if I'm a developer, for some friends of mine in the developer community that said, if I'm not working on something that's core, why am I working on it? Because I want to do something that matters. And I want to be able to, you know, have an impact. So if, you know, I'm going to be out marketed. If I can't contribute, you know, will that stall some of that innovation? And with so many people active in OpenStack, I sure hope it doesn't because, you know, that's been one of the drivers here. You know, thousands of people putting lots of time contributing for the greater good. And, you know, profits at the end of the day, that's what's going to drive the business. And the other thing that the big story from last year, Josh McKenzie went to Pivotal. He was the CEO of Piston Cloud co-founder. He went over to Cloud Foundry. Martin Miko, so we had on theCUBE, was the head of HP Cloud. He's no longer going to be involved in it. He's been pasteurized out at HP. That's an interesting move there. So you're seeing turmoil at the top of a lot of the strategy. So it begs the question, there are big chess moves being made. Certainly the exits of the top executives signal to me that, you know, there's some strategy differences. There's some corporate governance issues, maybe M&A strategy. So if you're an HP, if you're an IBM, you're an Oracle, you have dough, you have M&A opportunities in this interesting dynamic where companies might have talent, an AccuHire, and or white space for products. So again, this is the changes we're seeing. Your thoughts on it. Yeah, yeah, John, so, you know, I'm on the tech side, but when you look at the money. Last year, I said, if you're interested in making $25 to $50 million open stack is a great place for you. Most of the big companies, if it's not a hundred million dollar opportunity at least, they're not going to put a lot of time and effort into it. Last year, HP made an announcement. There are, you know, a thousand people, billion dollars putting it in. And I say, how many years is it going to take that to return that investment? You know, you've got plenty of companies where open stack is just so critical to what they're doing in cloud, not just rack space, but HP, IBM, you know, Red Hat, huge push there. Cisco ties into their whole inner cloud. And then that's just some of the big pieces. So, you know, there's there, the money is growing. We are maturing. So, you know, I just expect more and more to kind of feed into this. It's that virtuous cycle. So my, just a correction in my statement earlier about Oracle, it wasn't piston cloud. That was Josh McKenzie and that essentially went over. He went over. Just as a co-founder, he just left and joined Pivotal. It was Nebula that Oracle had acquired roughly as reported by the register and recode about 40 engineers, they just got scooped up. So, Nebula was a really great company. Chris Kemp and those guys, brilliant team. Again, AccuHire, Exodus, people are changing jerseys and teams, what's going on? Yeah, John, I mean, you look at those guys, you know, NASA and Yahoo and, you know, Rackspace, the people that started this whole effort. You know, we want to see them do well, right? You know, the people that take the risk and are the builders out there, we want them to, you know, have some success and, you know, go do it again. So, we're going to have Mark Collier on in a couple of minutes. He's been there since the beginning. So, you know, it's been a little bit of a changing of some of the faces. When I talked to Christopher McGowan this morning from Piston actually, he said, you know, there's so many people here now that it's not, you know, what OpenStack was a couple of years ago, which was kind of the same group of people that were going every six months to every show. It does feel much more like an industry show. Those users, as you said, are coming in, see much more diversity. And I think that that's a real sign of maturity, which I was excited to see. And Stu, this is ultimately back to your original point about the maturation. What's, how mature is a segment of the business? I think that is the key point. We will continue to unpack it. And again, we're watching all the moves here on the front lines. Final take on the intro for day two. What do you expect to see? What are we going to be hearing? Again, a lot of partnering going on, which is a great signal. A lot of good positive vibes. The demos are live. You're seeing much more customer use cases. What's your takes, Stu, in day two? What do you expect? Yeah, so, you know, more proof points, John. You know, some customers we're going to be talking to. The vendors we're talking to is, you know, we're really, where are they getting those early wins? What's repeatable? And how much can they, you know, they just turn this into, you know, the new platform to move things forward. You know, how is it tying into some of these new pieces, like containerizations, like applications that are driving analytics? Because, you know, John, from the application standpoint, it really needs to be kind of that, you know, no sequel and big data and some of those other ones that are driving new business value. And I haven't heard as much up the stack on the application side as I might expect. You know, it's, being an infrastructure guy by background, you know, a lot of this does sound like what I'm familiar with. I mean, you know, compute and storage and network and the management and orchestration, of course, is hugely important. And that piece is still a bit immature. Stu, of course, we can't not talk about sports. The Patriots deflation gate, what's your thoughts? Obviously, you're Patriots fan as well as I, but you go to all the games. News is Bob Crafts will not appeal the NFL punishment against his team for deflate gate, although Tom Brady is filing an appeal. What's your take on the Patriots? Well, so John, you know, you're from the area originally and I've been a Pat Stickett holder for many years. So sad to see I'm obviously, you know, a bit of a homer when it comes to Tom Brady and the Patriots looking forward to the banner being unveiled and boy will it be a black eye for the NFL if Tom Brady is not there when the Super Bowl champs unveil it. So I think it's kind of ridiculous. I think it's an embarrassment to the NFL. Personally, if anyone out there's an NFL fan has to be embarrassed to be associated with the NFL with what they pulled with the Patriots. Ridiculous. It's like, it's such a technicality. It had no relevance to the game. I mean, it's just the NFL had with an axe to grind for the Patriots, bringing up the, you know, the spy cam, the jets. It's just an embarrassment. Of course, the Patriots are in the right. That's our position. That's the official cube position. Stu, would you, would you say to say that? Absolutely, John. Yeah, all right. So with this cube, we're actually having some fun here. The venue is amazing. Vancouver, Stu, what's the coolest thing you've seen? Well, I just, I mean, John, you know, people are biking, you're walking around. I mean, the weather's been gorgeous. People have actually been, you know, commenting how much the sunlight. I mean, we moved the set a little bit till we didn't need sunglasses today, but it's gorgeous. I want to go Stanley Park is, you know, right down around the bend. You know, I'm hoping to see that before I head back. You know, my wife has been seeing all the sites. She saw Orcas yesterday, you know, went on a boat, you know, so many local sites. Some ziplining. I did ziplining on Sunday. That was phenomenal. You flew on the plane back. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's the float plane. It's funny. I talked to friends of mine that went to Paris and they're like, oh, OpenStack was great and everything. I'm like, so, you know, tell me the sites you saw and everything like that. And it's like, oh, you know, the neutron, you know, segment was really good. It's like, you know, John, we travel to so many of these shows. When we get outside of Vegas, I like to see a little bit of the local flavor, you know, the food, the culture. I hope we get to come back to Vancouver more often. Yeah. All right. We're making it here for the kickoff segment. We're going to day two, wall-to-wall coverage. We've got another two days. We've got today and tomorrow. And of course, the big events tonight, a lot of briefings, a lot of happy hours. We'll sit down with CEOs. Obviously the HP's having a huge party. HP, again, big presence in the community and impressive EMC, Oracle, IBM, the big guys in. Of course, the passionate founders of the community are all active as well. Packed house, all the sessions are here. We're the queue. We're bringing you all the coverage. We'll be right back after this short break.