 Click that button. It's been clucked. Click that button Now that it's been clucked What do we do? What's what's what's next for life? I don't know Are we allowed to say clucked in 2023? I haven't checked the recent instruction rulings from the The the group of people who You know that would be like a sliver chickens, right cluckers a clucker Or clucka. Yeah It shows me the old some like thumbnail again, I don't know if that's just a YouTube thing again or guys on the damage Showing the new one for me. Oh Characters from all of these movies. Yeah, I had that happen as well for some for some people that didn't really change for some reason I like it when things don't fuck up Yeah All right from every Possible a piece of information I could draw from anything I have everything seems to allegedly I'm sorry. Yeah, we good Metal not playing that space, you know, very well why I can't be playing They make fun of you because your PC's tanky Well, are you doing the Dracula voice? That's not Dracula. That was You some kind of those big Al from big Al's toy bond He does kind of sound like that it's a southern accent a southern Transylvanian accent In southern Transylvania, they talk a little slower, you know Hello host just everyone culturally just wrote those big Al from big Al's toys bod. You said like it's Of course, of course, we know him We don't see it as well, right? Yeah, I said the sloth. Oh, I meant sorry story one. Yeah Also, that's it you said but then Toy Story 3. I think I think people People remember what so what about Toy Story 4? There was the remember a lot so I didn't know villain that one. Yeah, Toy Story 4 the villain that And then and then Woody realized that what he learned in Toy Story 3 was wrong Interesting friends so that he could live with Bo Peep. Hey, hey, let's get it. Let's let's be clear Not only did Woody abandon his friends buzz abandon him too. Everyone was abandoning each other. It's a great It's a it's a party really Cuz I guess Woody realized that no actually my role is not to you know continue Providing joy it's Live out here and then get other toys to do that even though what I learned in Toy Story 3 is that that's a really That's just a that's a good thing to do. Yeah, we We talked about it It feels like different creators took over because they settled in the Toy Story trilogy on saying toys Gain meaning from bringing joy to people like that's that's like a yeah Like oh, that's cool. And then Toy Story 4 is like no we got our own lives to sort out Okay, fuck you guys we got our own meaning to find our own identity and it's like why I don't know man like every single time that's kind of what Woody is learning in different ways Is is that what it means to be a toy is to bring joy to people? He learns that in every film in a different way and then they just change their mind right at the end You can tell you remember We got to the end of that film and we were like screaming when you say Those words out of your goddamn mouth Keep that when you need them catch phrase out your fucking But uh yeah, cuz toys and it wasn't just like that part of it Right is all goes all the way back to the beginning with that creepy new toy that is wondering what it means to exist or whatever Yeah, oh Forky sporky forky. Yeah Well, either way, you know for a fact that they thought about in the right room It's like isn't it interesting really that the toys like what is the difference between a living toy and a dead toy? What makes you a toy and you just want to have that guy in the room is like no You do not want to get near that okay, you know do the age rating for this film guys It's also just like you don't want to be trying to go like real hard and fast on these rules about the toys and the nature of their existence Unless we know it's already Already, you know, we're already trying to build a little bit of a perilous perilous ice here. They're nice Well, you know, that's an easy segue animated film beloved by many. Well, sorry not that one Well The Academy Award winning toy story for I was about to say it is beloved by many Did it win Academy Awards? Yeah, of course it did Pixar movies mostly when Either those or Disney animation studios turning red gonna beat out person boots Someone will throw a bottle somewhere There's there's no way it's only gonna be between Pinocchio and person boots I think those will be the two that are fighting each other to see who gets the top spot Wrong thumbnail But it's the right one for me. Yeah, don't worry about it's gonna change at some point at the same As well A white guy some fucking white guy some white that is that is a famous white man. How dare you and then some Puppet is Voldemort. Yeah, it's Voldy. I don't recognize him with a nose Do you guys know snakes don't have noses I Think snakes on the plane He wasn't in that'd be a good a fat movie snakes I should never probably happen Anyway, yeah, so we're gonna talk about puss in boots But we're gonna talk about a whole bunch of things and so they're not gonna be like big ol breakdowns I'm also gonna be strolling through some of these movies and talking about bits and bobs the first thing I want to talk about the springs to mind when you start watching this film is they They kind of commit a big old sin everyone's celebrating this film But they did something rude in it right at the beginning. That's kind of like They changed the Dreamworks logo they oh, yeah We can do the first time where I saw the new Dreamworks logo and it's really really bad. I hate it It used to be a nice simple boy fishing off the moon. Oh, what wonderful things could this logo mean now We need to show out intellectual properties rags. That's it's a vengeance all over again. I hate it It used to be like you you associated because of Because that's how like company logos and things work You associate the logo with all the things the company does without having to explicitly show all of them one by one In this really awful montage Yeah, you know what it's when you say that because I've changed my mind on the Marvel Studios one I actually now I think I prefer just the one where it flew through all the comic pages Actually, yeah, I caught that one to the day and I was like, oh man, there's something kind of neat about this Well it honors the history writer honors where this is coming from. Yeah, as if now its history is you know itself Every time it makes a movie. I think it says a lot about To the point now where like the the films and way more influential on the comics than the other way around Like to where I think Marvel has explicitly stated that they want to position like Marvel comics to Basically give runway to the MCU Like so that they're planning ahead for stories that Marvel can use for movies in the future rather than just writing the stories that they think are cool Do you know it's like this interaction of intellectual property franchise like it can't yeah It can't just be a kid is sitting on a moon fishing. It's got to be look kung fu panda. Look Baby, whoo, I was a boss baby like have you seen boss baby any good? I'm pretty sure it's really successful. And that's why it's there enough to be in the end up to be in the dream works logo Cuz they don't have a what they don't have Marty or Alex though from Madagascar, which is kind of they made like three of those Yeah, yeah, and of course. Yeah, there's there's right on the right Rick man I will be very sad if it picks our ever replaces Luxo junior like in that intro I think I think I'd be really upset if they did that It's like iconic But who knows maybe they will maybe their next logo will be Luxo junior running through a field and then there's like, you know Yes, there is have you not seen the Luxo short film You must know I don't maybe years and years and years ago, and I've forgotten There's Luxo junior. It's the lamp. Yeah Not to be confused with the lamp that the genie comes out of which is the Internet international intellectual property of Disney not Pixar even though they're one of the same now Like Activision and Blizzard They're an axis of evil Can you imagine like the conversation in the boardroom and they were like, yeah, so I change in the logo now I'm like, and this is what it's gonna look like and then Why would we why would we change the logo like people love our logo and it means so much and like yeah Yeah, but things meaning things is that that intellectual properties they need to know all the things that we've made like you said The things we've made sir is like, but do they There's a reserve. Yeah, you go through the little characters and you saw the uncharred film All right, PlayStation has one. Yeah, right one works. It's got like Aloy and and and what? Aloy from horizon. Yeah, and then like Yeah, we've talked about that Does it have to you talk about it because you you won't if we want when we're off stream Fringy won't stop talking about how hot Aloy is Which is fine I Have horizon for been West and like I played it for a few hours and I was just like man. This is like fine It's so okay, you never finished it It's got the problem that people try to ascribe to God of War where like she hasn't run in commentary all the time Like every time you achieve an objective She's like, okay got to go there now to find this and it's like man and now playing dead space It's like, you know Isaac talks when spoken to and whenever there's nobody around he just kind of like does his job It's nice of a pressure It's weird yet writing the dialogue for characters talking to themselves It seems like that should be easy because a lot of people talk to themselves. That's a very normal thing to do But it seems that when you write it It's never done right like you can't always you can't write people talking to themselves on purpose and have it Because we're listening to it we know someone wrote it for us to listen to it Yeah, I suppose You know like when John McClane like blast a couple of guys and then keeps telling us joke Right like nobody ever finds that really awkward. It's kind of like See he still tells them his joke even though he just pumped them full of lead, you know Well, there was that that joke but I was talking about die hard not that film black Adam and die hard are very similar to I I couldn't I couldn't stop thinking about Black Adam, I can't wait for black Adam to What what do you mean oh like Adam's incredible guys Yeah What why no one to defeat black Adam not even the box office Soon man. Yeah, is it soon. I'm saying he's unstoppable Well, I mean, I'm sure he'll be okay, but you know Rocks that it's not out of the the options I suppose we'll find out about that soon enough Anyway Logo's what we're talking about. Yeah, this is a stream dedicated to how shit the new dream works Man imagine if like Disney replaced the castle and they just started doing a thing where they like had a quick montage of not even They're animated films, but it also has I was just looking it's the dead. I fucking scarred a Of all of the smug protagonist faces from all of the Pixar It's just it's it's they just they just have a big blotch of poo on the screen All right We wanted to stay true to our brand We're not pretending anymore. Okay, we're doing the opposite of a Pizza Hut And we're updating our logo to be just what we really are deep on the inside. We're just shit Oh Where we even begin with with this all movie maybe we should start a Context of person boots one because yeah, we watched that Two of us watched it. Yeah To be fair, I actually I watched the after I watched the last wish which is funny I watched the in the reverse order and we had different results as a result of that result Yeah, that's right to get to the short vision is I Was like hmm Well, whereas I saw the first one. I was like you like the second one a lot more Yeah, the the quickest review of the first one for those who don't know the storyline is I think is it was in boots After Shrek 3 goes back home question mark. We're Shrek. Wait Shrek 4 I don't actually know timeline wise Correct the fourth is what the fourth one was called also wow J max just made like everyone a member Thank you by the way. Oh, wow It's still like Yeah, you just like what the fuck Everyone has access to those brilliant emotes like metal crying and rags being What would you summarize that about as rags being confused and upset? I think in the discord. It's called like rags. What? Yeah Well, so push and boots one is a prequel to Shrek 2 I suppose you could say well But isn't it like it's a prequel and it takes place. It takes place in the past down the future. I thought No, I'm pretty sure it's a strict prequel Really? Yeah, so well in any case You get a big ol it's a big ol origin story movie for the hero that is pushing boots And it's surprising in that like you check it out and and the film is basically like all right So buzzing boots he has this huge history and it all revolves around his friend Humpty Dumpty And you're like, oh, I know him and He's voiced by Zach Gallif and ackis And and I think yeah, they make the meme pretty pretty quickly that He felt abandoned by post because he was left On a on a wall after he had fallen off it and he said yeah, and they made us they made a rhyme about it It's just like haha, I guess this is vaguely in universe references I enjoy these things when they happen in the Shrek verse. That's what this is, right? Yeah, I think so that's the yeah And yeah, and so you got the story is basically just that when they were growing up They were kind of outcast it a little bit in their little orphanage and they they teamed up and This was gradually enjoying Becoming I guess more skilled and talented. Yeah There was there was this one time that he had a taste of being a hero And then he started doing it full-time while Humpty Dumpty went the way of hyper thief and Wanted to invent things and get access to great stuff to ultimately what was this like ultimate goal I forget what what Humpty wanted to do with all of the money Didn't he want to fly? Was that it? Well, he wanted to fly to what end this is what I'm telling you because like it wasn't a very engaging film This is part of the problem is I've forgotten a lot of it. I watched it like days ago. It's it's a In any case Posting boots is like the town hero and then Humpty Dumpty is like, oh, I got I got a thing We got to do definitely a hundred percent. We got to do it and he's like, oh what and he's like stay here in this carriage Well, he sells it as Don't you worry? I'm sorting something out Posting boost doesn't really ask much questions and then Humpty Dumpty just drops a bunch of money on the carriage They're in he's like go you're the getaway driver of this thing where I've just stolen a whole bunch of money Go go go and I remember just thinking to myself like why weren't you the getaway? Just put the money in the thing and then you drive like Pussing boots is gonna be like what the fuck's going on like I don't even want to be a crime person and That goes awry. Don't he becomes a thief, right? He just is he always was Never really became like a hero. That's kind of like his art sort of goes on in the film Yeah, he's because he's shellfish Ah All right now he can move forward The money the money is lost to the world and puts and boots is seen as like a bad guy So is Humpty and that's that's that history and then we fast forward right and wasn't boots is as far as we're aware Missing every cat basically Yeah, I'm deep sort of thing going on and Humpty wants to hire him So that they can carry on his grand plan of going finding magic beans and Which in this case of being hoarded by Jack and Jill who have a very specific and strange adaptation in this film They're they're big and gross and evil. They're like happy to just kill everybody basically not to say that I'm very familiar with the Jack and Jill story or all of its iterations Let's just do as interesting to see him like that and I kind of I almost I'm putting a pin in it Kind of because it's gonna come up again when we talk about the last wish They have the magic beans We the our heroes get the beans off them they go up the bean stalk into the land of the Giants They steal the golden goose old nag laying goose Take it back down and then Puss realizes the whole time that he was just being strung along by Humpty who betrays him along with the whole town Who apparently were in on it? And then yeah, let's go to jail but kitty soft paws feels guilty and so she helps him break out and Then we find out that Humpty Dumpty Yeah, Humpty Dumpty was hoping that the Golden goose's mum was gonna come try and get it and just stomp through the city like a Godzilla type thing and Then works with us to save the day, but dies in the process Balls gets cracked and he's like golden like See he was good after all but not really It's a The problems with the film for me were just that there's just not many Emotional beats that are very high. It's very normal and and I didn't like Humpty as a as a character I don't even say there's much Usually wrong with him in terms of like inconsistencies. I just wasn't engaged by him at all I think that anybody watching the film would be able to tell instantly Like so he's gonna betray put some boots at some point like this. Yeah, I don't see where else his story's going as eggs do Yeah And and I don't know it didn't they didn't sell his turn for me into a good guy at the end He's put some it was just kind of like you should be a good guy you fuck and he's like hmm. Yes, so fine, um, I Just don't think they did much work with anybody in that film. It's uh, it's just really like like Yeah, you're hitting some standard beats But not that effectively and it's just like I don't know like it's not it's not a very engaging film Yeah, and I give it a I'd give it a thumbs up and just move on and like I said, it's not been that long I've already forgotten a shit ton of Of the plot line, which is not a good sign. And so then I was like, well Everyone's talking about this sequel. So I guess I'll check that out and that one's called person boots the last wish And as you may know from other things that have been said here and there about different shows All four of us were quite a big fan of this one. This one was a surprise. I did not expect it to be as good as it was Yeah, I would even say that person boots is like I Think all of you guys should see this. I really love this movie I don't I would basically recommend it to everybody. I feel like everybody's gonna go and watch it and enjoy it a Hell of a lot. Yeah, that's actually a point If you listen to this and you're waiting for some good movies to watch and you're holding out hope and you haven't watched Pussin boots yet Wish from hit from here on out when we just say person boots We're talking about person boots the last wish with Yeah, this this is one of DreamWorks best films. Yes. Oh, yeah, absolutely But yeah, go watch it and then come back to us talking about it because we're probably gonna be spoilering everything. Oh, yeah, baby But yeah film opens with the idea of there's a place in the world You can go where you can satisfy with a wish a falling star hit the dark forest or the dark forest was born from that and it's like Yeah, if you go there you get to satisfy a whole ass wish. It's like all right fair enough And then why do you say that why you satisfy a wish? I don't know. I just I ran with that word Think it's good enough Granted wish for it would have been better you get you get to make a wish to make a wish It's you could grant a wish to yourself by making it so it's it's like The added like yeah, you get to grant yourself a wish by making it In any case when you wish upon the star. He does his little story saying oh beginning Basically pushing boots that is most Hightest of Primus. He's a super happy confident and top-notch skillman. He's a this people off who are I Guess the place of the best new owns this is a son. He's just he's just having fun with a song and also takes out a giant Why not? That's just something that's really do Things a song in a Mansion people are loving them all pushing boots. You're so amazing. You're so incredible and It's very I It'll carry through but it's apparent from the very first moments of the film How how vibrantly both colorful and animated this movie is it's Well, yeah, because we have We have like the normal scenes and then we have action scenes and when action scenes happen the frame rate lowers Which you might think as low as it animates on there's which you think might Which maybe but just hearing that seems very odd and counterintuitive like wouldn't you want more frames when people are doing Action it's like a lot of know if you want that but it's certainly a stylistic choice that works really really well Emphasized keyframes more than animating on ones can just because it gives your eyes a little bit more time to Register those poses. So like that because I think that's the one that people notice right when he dodges the bell And he just does this kind of little flip where he's like facing backwards They hold on that for a few more frames and they probably would have if it was like in the Regular way that they would do it just yeah, it's a it's a stylistic choice. It's something that is Not often seen in 3d animation much more common into the animation, but now a lot more films are trying out those techniques This film was using a lot of techniques that are more like from traditional to the animation like smears and motion lines And all of it like contributes to this are really interesting look. It's kind of like a you know Like a painting come to life in this case Yes, the film's always a delight to just watch And just be like man that looks awesome Yeah, it's like you pause and it's like I could use this as a wallpaper and this Actually, it doesn't matter. It's just all looks very good. Reminds me of spider vs. Which is Dreamworks has been experimenting more with different animation styles because the bad guys which also came out last year Is gone for like a picture book Yeah, yeah, sure He agrees Fringy told me that That that that film also is using some more traditional to the animation techniques integrated with like 3d animation And it's just like yeah, it's really cool that we're starting to see More and more and more experimentation with like the kind of styles that you can use in 3d animation I'm pretty sure that Dreamworks is specifically like credited spider versus like a big inspiration on both of those films As well as other stuff like Akira was referenced as well. I haven't seen Akira yet. So yeah, I can't speak to that But it's it's like this movie looks amazing the whole the whole way through it looks it looks so great And it's kind of something I didn't even fully realize until I went and watched push and boots is that um The first one is like man There's like small tweaks to the designs of the characters that just make them look like way better as far as I'm concerned Like this style Really compliments these characters There are times when push kind of looks a bit uncanny in the first film whereas here It's like every his his expressions are really emotive Everybody's expressions are really emotive This style Yeah, you can see the smears when you go on A hundred people have like try to point out the whole the wolf in the crowd. I was just like Yeah Everyone's gonna die if I don't acknowledge that it's like yes, that's a thing anyway carry on The the film is never it's It's never garish, but it's very very colorful the color seems to fit they seem to fit and They're very appropriate to the scene Which is something that I really really like about this movie is that it seems to juggle sort of three tones And it balances them all very very well. It's up there with I don't know if it's up there. It might be but generally we reference jojo rabbit is how to have You know balanced Scenes in a movie two distinct kind of tones or vibes Well that coexist in the same, you know worse To bolster that point to make it clear to people So after this fight The bell that he uses to knock out the giant lands on personally dies and then it's revealed by a doctor that he is on His last of his nine lives And from that point onward he is thrust upon a journey where he has to confront his own mortality And essentially deconstructs the myth of push and boots that we kind of see here Of just like almost almost like a reckless abandon Just like a complete uh like the the confidence stems from a place that is uh not quite sound as is revealed by a pretty Encounter with a magic with uh with the wolf later on and so over the course of the story It sort of deconstructs the legend of push and boots and then reconstructs it around a more solid foundation Um, yeah, there he is. There's the wolf everybody's favorite new wolf man. Yeah And so and so what rags is talking about is the fact that um this film balances its tone incredibly well Jumping between moments that are really funny to moments that are incredibly tense or dramatic Uh, and it does sorry and it never it never feels like it's undercutting the drama. Um, like it's it's it's a really difficult thing to do Yeah, jokes never get in the way of like a serious moment and a serious moment never gets in the way of a joke There are light-hearted scenes where there's clearly, you know comedy is In light-heartedness and the spirit of adventure is clearly what they're trying to convey And there are other scenes where you're like afraid where you have this legitimately quite scary um antagonist Um that our protagonist is very afraid of Yeah on on the subject of dreamworks best the wolf is one of dreamworks best villains. Um I have very big confidence to pay to all of the villains in this film Because we've got a few yeah because we've got Jack Horner as well Um who occupies a very different slot and I guess as an antagonistic element You've got Goldilocks and the three bears who themselves get to go on and this film has a lot of arcs running Like every single like it's a lot of things. It's got a lot of things running There's a lot going on and it's not like a super long movie. It's no it's an hour and a half Yeah, this isn't incredibly if you want to look If you want to use this time incredibly well, it's not like it's not like a three hour movie where people talk and talk but nothing matters Well, yeah, like Just goes on and on I wouldn't have picked most of his madness That's the most aggressive madness is absurdity avatar would be the good example This this movie is one and a half hours long and we've got arcs running for puss for kitty Who by the way kitties a way more developed character in this film and the relationship between her and puss is much more compelling They've got a lot more going on and it's uh, it's it's it's complimenting the core theme of the film a lot And then you've got arcs running for Goldilocks as well Um in a certain sense Pareto doesn't necessarily Pareto is a new companion They have he's a dog who's living in the cat sanctuary the puss goes to and he is like a relentlessly optimistic character And it's not necessarily that he goes on a big arc or anything But more so that he like significantly compliments the arcs everybody else is going on But it's like we've got a whole bunch of different characters with their own things going on That are bound by this central theme, but are exploring it in different ways Like what is the meaning of life and where is it derived from like what is valuable to you and what makes it valuable Um, yeah struggling all these things incredibly well considering that it's only about like an hour and a half Yeah, and and we'll We'll sort of pair this up in the same way with the next animated movie We talk about after this but a lot of the themes and messages here It goes far beyond be a good person. Don't steal. Uh, yes Uh, you know like the the most basic bitch kind of moral lessons that you tell to like a four-year-old You know, these are films that yeah Let's let's put it this way I would say that if you look at a lot of the Well, if you look at a lot of the films that I would consider to be like among the best animated films Recently rewatch kung fu pand 1 and 2 and kung fu panda is like again That's one of dreamworks best films and that's got essentially that's got some pretty fundamental themes as well But also has the willingness to challenge some of those things as well, right? There's the conversation between master ugui and uh And shifu where it's it's it's about like the nature of control or like, you know Accepting things that they are and just letting things play out and then there's like, you know the claim of oh, well, you know Like I can't like compel this I can't compel this peach tree to do these things for me and then you know like shifu is like well There are things we can control. It's like, yeah, that's true. There are things we can control But at the same time there's a lot that we can't control Kind of like just more elements to it than just you know a simple answer That's just easy to uh That's easy to You know that that doesn't really It's just not very honest and I feel like if there's like this film is particularly honest in terms of its exploration of uh Of of like its central themes about the nature of like confronting one's own mortality Man then feels you get from kung fu panda 1 and 2 as well with the dad, you know, yes It's uh Re-watch those movies. I haven't seen them in ages Good they're good. Um, yeah I like this idea that dream work seems to accept this premise that in a movie that is Digestible for kids. There is still a lot of messages that go far beyond, you know typical children's stories morals, um There's some heavy heady stuff and it's portrayed in a way that's approachable Um, I don't it doesn't treat kids like they're stupid dumb idiots um There's actually stuff in there to think about that I like just because A movie is a kid's movie in a way that doesn't mean it has to be infantile Um, and I and I like that. I don't want to discount like this huge swath of You know storytelling Or that it can't have deeper stuff going on beneath the surface There's one of those movies that you want to Tell people about us like yeah, but this is a kids movie when it's like an actual awful movie It's like, yeah, but you can do a kids movie. That's really good. Look at person boots too Because you can watch it on the surface. It's like, oh, this is fun and ha ha And it's like ooh scary wolf. Ooh, but then if you go back to watch it when you're older, it's like, oh There's much more going on here. So I think I think simply that uh, this film was made as though We're for everybody it wasn't made with like a target audience in mind It's like they had a story that they wanted to tell and they told it in a way that was like broadly approachable um Echo something Theo said that is arguably underrated when we were doing our ragnarok coverage it's actually in response to uh synthetic man saying that the reason ragnarok is so bad is because they tried to make it for everyone And when you make something designed for everyone, you make it so that like no one will love it It's a common phrasing, right? When you try and get everyone to like it no one will and Theo says like the the more Accurate point of view Is that you it's not about who you're making it for it's it's uh, what experience you're trying to generate and Whether or not give a shit uh as to like if you if you're trying to go for I want this experience to be basically something everyone is going to engage in and they will find it This is kind of i'm trying to go with marvel with this where it's like they don't want to hang on any particular emotion for any uh Too long of a time that they want you to come out having a Jumble of different things like that is a general good experience. I feel like I had From their point of view a good meal, but obviously we've gone to the point of saying it's just like really bad fast food at this point um Boston boots is generating a very specific idea and set of experiences, but they work for All ages. I can't see why All of the cute cats doing silly things and the cartoon characters You know screwing around for the super young ages Then you get to like the middle ages who are just appreciating like oh man, this is inspirational. This is For maybe if you're going through some stuff, but then you know the really older forms of the audience being like Maybe people who have thought about death a little bit These kids don't think about death. Yeah They try to avoid it or you almost want to protect kids from having to think about death, right? But like it's it's all embedded into these films and you know The there's just this just differently is to appreciate it on I guess that's I imagine that if you were a kid and you watched it now You'd be like, yeah, that was a really fun movie And then it's kind of the same thing that happens when you rewatch like a lot of the older Pixar films Like a lot of what the Incredibles was about like a lot of that was lost on me But like that's that's cool, right because it was there and it was it was great And it was fun when I watched it, but then when I can go back and watch it later It's like oh my god like it's all Wow, you know, like it's it's just you gain a greater appreciation for the story Yeah, and I think Simpsons is one of the better examples of that as well, right? Simpsons too There's so much shit in that that's for adults Yeah, but I guess that was a case of like, yeah, of course I'm watching The Simpsons It's like, oh, yeah, right like there was a ton about The Simpsons that I was just never gonna understand like as a kid But it's it's just cool, right because they created a story Where they had something to say and regardless of whether it was going to be broadly understood though They did a very good job of making it. So They they sold it on anyway with like something that you know, it's not often explored, right in films that are going to be watched by like families So with how this began as well I was kind of like It's the with the opening. I was just like this I was more so appreciating the animation and the production of it all as opposed to Storytelling before you get more context. This is like well. Yeah, he's just Action-packed hero dominating and doing really well then even the death doesn't really faze him. He's just like whatever it's the scene with the first meeting with Uh, the wolf is is where I was just like, okay, I'm listening like this has gotten very fucking interesting Yeah, I it's it's it's a It is a wake-up call. Isn't it? Yes Well, this this wolf is getting around in terms of memes and just appreciation. I've seen people who even say it like This shit deserves every kind of like Award like and it's because he's he's not just really great in terms of design in terms of Voice acting in terms of what he represents in the story But man, he's just he's everybody had stuff to think about with him in these scenes and what he Does what what he isn't You know, there's the this this opening scene you get the They went creepy with this guy There's some like scary imagery that goes on with them the red eyes the the way that the entire Movie shifts the tone away from you know a happy and victorious and heroic and you know lackadaisical to like boom, it's like a new movie kind of starts in a way And that's uh, I think I think it was um because as I as he was talking I was just like, hmm Hmm, but then there was once the fight happened and then there was the the the big old shot the big emphasize shot and then Which I mean it's gonna show up eventually it was basically They have their short fight and push is not doing very well And then it gets hit like he gets struck by uh by the wolf sickle And he starts bleeding when I when that happened. I was like, oh Oh, I think I realized that oh that this was gonna be a really good movie Also, I think for lack of better terms It just feels a little more real the the blood on his hand as well when he looks at it then You typically often get you really ever get blood in movies like this anyway No, so the fact that there was that in the first place, but it was just um, he's been seen right the blood was like very prominent and how he reacts Look at him Like it's and that's the leveraging of the new and it's also been emphasized earlier in the movie. It's like, oh, no blade has ever struck me Like I'm I'm basically you can't beat me in a fight and then this happens in his little blood and he really was like, oh And I saw my last life Uh, I'm out of here That's the point when I realized I think this was gonna be a really good movie And then it's the fact that it's like this is his heart just starts racing the hair We're standing up on his back and then we get the life flashing well life's flashing before his eyes And it's just like oh like damn like he oh like he's He is scared. He's quite terrified. He's really terrified um, it's just this is The wolf is just like Like this is great like he's so disarming while simultaneously terrifying well just The opening where he sits down and he's once his autograph and he puts the poster and he taps on the dead part and like oh, that's that's like legitimately imposing. Mm-hmm. Yeah and it's um This this film by the way very thoughtfully uses the lives the life flashing before your eyes thing It's like super relevant plot critical even Um, or like thematically very critical It's probably one of the best utilizations of that meme of lives of lives flashing before a character's eyes Because it hits a lot of uh, it hits a lot of moments throughout the series. You see you can see shrek and donkey in there Well, you know, you don't see Humpty dumpty I wonder is like is it the same like I know it's the same like people But is it the same like people people who made this one? They made the last one the fact that they didn't even have Humpty Dumpty why uh, the director was not the director of the first film um He's done other stuff. He's his long childhood friends. They would have had plenty of good memories, but they didn't involve him which um Do you know with you? I think I may have thrown one flash of him with Humpty Dumpty Well, they throw in uh, they throw in kitty soft pause, but that's because she's way more relevant Yeah, she'll be relevant in this story But yeah, uh, that face he has when we come back from those flashbacks just like Jesus and again It works way better when you have that opening scene where he's hyper confidently doing his thing Yes, the point of that scene as as far as i'm concerned is this is the legend of push and boots the legend that gets around him on his own Bravely launching into danger Super confident and then this is tearing it down like immediately. It's gone And I think it's you know, it's the fact that he leaves his sword behind, right? That's like the legend is uh That he's the legend is dead essentially like it's already been it's been like instantly destroyed And and like for the rest of the film it's about reclaiming that legend But essentially push realizing like that what he's actually after is not what he thought It's not what he what he thinks he needs Which is i'm gonna go get the the the wish to get my nine lives back That's his goal and he realizes that his goal is uh, you know that changes over the course of the story As he learns a lot of things about himself and life Um, it's it's really uh, it's really it's really tight thematically I really like that of like this is the legend the legend is dead I need to reclaim it and in the process he invents a new legend essentially about himself a much more sound one Well, that's the thing we there are people in our spheres that say like i'm so fucking tired of deconstructions And what we'll always end up saying is like well, i'm not tired of the good ones though Yeah Always comes back to how you would do it. It's done well It's done. Well you do go go nuts. I don't care. Just well fuck it up Yeah, it's gotta be more clever than oh, yeah, well, what if luke was shit? Yeah What makes this one really cool is that they deconstruct them and then reconstruct them they build them back up again Yeah, it's like we we we tear into this legend But then we build them back up at the end with a much more Sound based from which to move forward in the future. What is that jack porter is the best character? It's like jack hoarder Clearly a favorite um, but yeah, so he goes to a sanctuary uh meets perito and uh gets terrified when he believes that um The wolf has arrived, but it's actually one of the three bears With goldilocks and like I said, we're not we're not doing a full breakdown of this It's more so just bouncing between topics and hopefully in a chronological-ish way But it was fun seeing The the goldilocks and the three bears and it's a different version I immediately thought about The jack and jill of the previous film feels like a similar sort of adaptation But the execution Oh my and I think with them after hearing everyone else, too I was like fuck the voice acting in this is amazingly good. It's really really phenomenal throughout Because antonio band eros is phenomenal Like uh, here's here's persistently and consistently like incredible in this film Yeah, and you get yeah, um, ray winston and jenna colman as as the mum and poppa bear like damn Well, it was really funny when uh Because the bears don't talk before that and then when they show up at their house It's like, you know poppa bears just snarling. He's like, hello miss. I'm looking for the best I don't know why he doesn't do more voice acting ray winston. It's quite a it's quite a powerful voice Yeah, um, maybe this will get him into the game Maybe this will be the one that makes him realize that this is one of his callings And yeah, it's been pointed out florins pew is goldilocks. Yes, which uh, when I found that out I'm like, wow, you have a lot of range. Like you just I had no idea Well, remember the one of the two good things that ever happened in black widow Who's was one of them, but it like comes out of nowhere. It's just like, well, she She can cry on cue Where does it come from? That's the thing about it's it kind of sucks with modern marvel films. They really push the actors that far a lot of Yeah, they have all the money to have these incredible actors and everything but it's like What is that? Yeah, it's like you just have really talented actors and you give them shit material. So like we don't accomplish anything Um, but yeah, they're here because they want to get puss in boots, right to hire him for a job Yeah to steal uh from jack horner Yeah, yes, and and what's funny is uh, I kind of like the uh, there was there are benefits to of seeing pussy boots one before two Um puss is trying to steal the thing The they were going to hire him to steal because it's going to lead him to the to the wish There's a map to the wish and obviously if he gets his wish he can get his lives back So, you know plot plot nice and straightforward and he actually gets the point where he's nearly grabbing it and uh Kitty soft pauses there as well, which is how they I think like cross paths in the first one. They were both uh separately hired to do a job Just kind of kind of a fun thing because this was like the unique opportunity to get Jack Horner's map But yeah, I should probably have about time to talk about him Holy shit jack horner when I first saw his face. I couldn't stop laughing I just like I lost it He is so funny looking and the things he says it's like so So evil and and funny evil And oh man He's like this big guy, but with a base in relation tiny head and legs He's like tiny face. I think he'd be Tomically proportioned. Yeah Look at his face like it's so small, but there's so much head left Streamer. Yeah, he's just he's just so evil. It's so unapologetically evil. Yeah, he's like stream, but like There's no ulterior motive at all or like there's no or rather. There's no there's no like explanation or real Seemingly good course for who he is Or like a redeemable quality. He just he's just I mean, I can't help but draw the connection right that history of uh, Pinocchio dragging off the attention from him when he was Younger and as he's older, he's like fucking packaged and collected fairy tale shit I wonder if there's there's something there like a bitterness that he He gets to control The uh, the elements that took his the attention away from him when he was younger You know, it's it's nothing complicated My god, is everyone just happy about that almost like yeah, this guy is just a fucking asshole But like he's he's not stupid like no He's uh, he's just very selfish and he's aware of that And it really gets emphasized when jiminy crickett jiminy crickett hangs out with him throughout the movie He's his conscience, you know what he's gonna give me a good conscience of your character Jimmy crickett was such a wonderful surprise Uh, yes He was well the goldilocks on the two stairs were a wonderful surprise Like we were a very big part of the movie and they're just like show up and they're a whole character set And they're all different and they're just what this wonderful addition to this already jam-packed story That's what I mean We were done at this point in terms of meeting characters and yet they throw a new one at us. He's like magical locust eat all of these He's like, oh, I'm not a magical locust Oh, what are you guys like? Oh, I'm I'm I'm a crickett's like well, then cause the spell of the flowers Some sort of demon grasshopper Deadly fairy Noble phoenix. Oh god Oh, this is gonna be harder than I thought And of course the big Character. Oh, he's he's so great. He feels like a completely different era of a character. It is so fun to have him in here And then just like the part where he's gonna shoot perito with the uh, unicorn horn You're not gonna shoot a puppy in the face. Are you in the face? Why? Why? Yes The payoff when it's it's just like he just realizes that uh The jack's plan is to basically hoard all of magic for himself and that he like abandons all of his uh, Bakers doesn't lie. It's like, oh Your wish is horrible What took you so long idiot just flicks him away He's just adorable little cricket man When jack is annihilated in the forest and he's just terrified he just goes don't be near where i'm flamethrowing It's just it's an excellent combo those two Yeah, complete fucking opposites This is little scene before that that all happens that are fun quite funny There's like this one guy who's like, I'm gonna cut these flowers down just gets eaten and only skeleton is left over There's this this other random bacon dozen guy who's like no cherry Last of us two meme. I was already just when he's like fetched the bakers dozen or whatever. I was watching with rags And I just style often Bakers It's uh, oh, it's just so creative and fun and stupid and you're just getting rewarded Constantly like all these little payoffs come in from Again, his little is his infinite bag of just References pretty much. Oh, yeah Alibur it's still got the rock attached to it. I couldn't get it out of his own, but it's so pretty cool, right? He um, he can't get it out at first At the uh, he like steps on one of his bed as leverage. It's just he's such an ass in everything that he does Yeah, well, I just like the part when he's like, you know, I didn't have much growing up except stability Like A mansion and a loving family Inherited, you know the usual stuff Or you know worth was crap like that. I think he says yeah Yeah, what do you what is baited grabbing Excalibur? I think we will like he has Excalibur that he pulls it out of this that you're like, oh, that's how he has Excalibur It's like the beam you you you talk about it's like just dig around it Why are you trying to do the hard thing? Yeah, and there you have it. Yeah, I could believe you would do that Yeah, what's the fun thing interesting about like Just the Excalibur thing is Um, it's such a kind of like throwaway little joke like oh ha ha. It's funny that he's has Excalibur But the only point of having Excalibur is to actually use it as a sword You have to pull it out of the sword You have to pull Excalibur specifically as a reference as being used by jack corner works because Excalibur is a weapon that's used to unite england, right? It has to be used as a sword to do that and in order for you to have like Becoming king you have to pull it out of the stone So both of those important elements of Excalibur requires it to be removed from the stone And he's so unworthy in every way But he's so greedy all at the same time That he essentially reduces the sword to essentially uselessness for the sake of his selfishness. Yeah, he did something Yeah, he doesn't care about the usage of any of these items. They're not precious to him. Yeah Yeah, it would be curious. What did he say he wanted the wish for? Uh That was a big thing he wanted it so nobody else could have it Yeah, which is annoying with really do anything with it Um And yeah, uh, you find out that um, goldilocks is interest in the in the wishes so that she can be with Uh, was it was that a secret to the bears that she wanted to be with a Wish but she hadn't told them what it was and they they take it well though when they find out because they They're supportive We have they they they have the initial shock of it, but then they decide to help her Because that's a real family and that's something that she learns over the course of her adventure. She doesn't need Sorry We're talking wise cracking bears are the best family It's not just the dialogue is fucking great. Look at jack's face when jiminy cricket suggests like it would be bad to do that He's like Fucking cricket talking to shit again Parito just like oh Look at that face. Yeah, he looks curious and not that concerned At least compared to how a kazoo he should be Because uh, if you talk parito is he's the best boy. All right. He's uh, he's he's a very good boy He's uh, he's a relentlessly positive character despite having endured some pretty uh, some pretty bad circumstances in his life There's a reason he's a doggo Yes, um And it's kind of uh, because when they go to the the forest The map that they use will change basically depending on on the person who holds it Like it kind of changes to challenge them directly Uh, or or maybe more so to like It's it's like tethered to basically beliefs that they have about themselves in the world And so like pusses one is filled with perils um kitties is is relating to trust issues basically and meanwhile paritos is like this really pleasant This really pleasant place well pleasant if you understand how to actually maneuver through it because the scene that had before with jack and the bakers was um There's a bunch of roses and all you need to do is just smell them Stop and smell the roses because parito just like sort of absorbs life Like he takes it for what it is and tries to get as much out of it as he can Meanwhile like person and kitty are like well, what's the obstacle here? What are we supposed to like fight through to get to get there? And it's just like these sorts of things of what parito is essentially teaching them A lot of the time like unintentionally. He's just kind of living his life and and being a happy old self um But it's like it's kind of like he has an attitude of non-resistance Basically of sort of accepting situations as they are and then getting as much out of them as he can and through him person in particular, but also kitty like learn a hell of a lot about you know Basically appreciating life for what it is Parito is a very good boy. You get a lot of design choices, right? And uh, you find out that the Very clothing he's chosen to wear is as a result of a sock that they tried to drown him in his Family, and I'm telling the story post kitty is like horrified and he's like, yeah But joke's on them because I got a free sweater Badass story to tell it's a win win and they were like, oh my god. This is the saddest funny story I've ever heard Yeah, like kitty is like terrified at it. It's like, oh my god And yeah, this is uh, he's positive to the to the to the extent of almost basically being delusional Yeah, like a delusional night Nativity maybe it's working out. It's working out Working for him. That's the thing I think this comes in with the what rags sort of talking about with the balancing of tones But you have half an hour and in that time we have had loads of funny jokes this introduction of an insane That jack Horner is just a fucking powerhouse in this story for funnies um And then in the middle of this absurd fight where jack is shooting his own men with unicorn horns and turn them into confetti And all this like fun shit Everything slows down and stops and then the wolf whistle comes in and yeah Does puss is fucking terrified again and it's hard instantly Yeah, we we cross over from this brightly colored crazy thing we spin around and then we've got the wolf Sitting in this landscape. That's just a skull basically and staring at him It's just like yeah back over to fucking horror again. It's like damn Yeah, like actually like yeah like horror kind of yeah, this is essentially the dream works horror. Yes When puss is running through the forest like when he's he runs away and he just sees uh He sees the wolf and everything. He sees him in the rocks. He sees him in the trees And then it's followed by the scene everybody's talked about but rightfully so because it's a really well Made scene which is the panic attack What an unfortunate type of velva to have a panic attack scene at the same time One embarrassing scene that wasn't velma. Holy shit The conversation around it became cringe because of counterculture Which i'm very tired of counterculture as a fucking thing just like whenever something is popular We need to provide an alternative or opposition because it's time to bank on like the resulting Uh, I guess I don't even know how to put it. It's like the resulting energy that goes in the opposite direction I I saw this happen gradually over twitter, right? So first happens is people tweet out this scene and say it's really good And I saw it out of context and I was like that is really good That was just like a couple of seconds or whatever and Like I don't even know what's what happens in this film, but damn And then it was like I saw it started getting tweeting alongside the velma scene And it was like one is horrendously embarrassing and just just terrible Well, this one is like helping people out a lot of people associate with this Well, just want to appreciate how good it is and then I started seeing people like Being like, you know what we shouldn't actually be normalizing that this is good to see I don't want to see panic attacks in my fucking movies I was like the hell I am tired of this seed being spread around as some great boba There are plenty of movies that cover anxiety It's like what the fuck Panic attacks and the privacy of their own homes. Okay, exactly And like I can't attribute it to anything other than the fact that they want to just go to the opposite The thing that's different to what other people said. Yeah, it's just cringy. I was just like, why can't we just say it's good? It was good what I Assumed to be a panic. I never had one. So I don't know but this seems pretty real. I don't know Like hard heartbeat going on like a heavy breathing everything. Oh, it seems like it's pretty genuine like a pretty genuine next Showing of a panic attack Yeah, it's like this movie's got a lot of heart And it's got a lot of like wanting to convey not just a story and lessons, but like real emotional moments Well, yeah, because because like to talk about what's working. Well like look at the color scheme It's totally muted and it's like it's it's pretty blurry at a lot of times as well It's like everything is out of focus because it's just puts like Struggling to breathe and then the thing that pulls him out of it is this dog this wonderful dog Who's just there just there? He's just he just Rests his head on his uh on his on his tummy and like that's enough to to ground him and this is actually because this is the first time that uh Parito gets called anything He says like thank you Parito, which is I understand it means small dog Yeah, it's like yeah because he came through he came through here And then they have a pretty significant conversation Delving into like the fact that pushes on his last life something he hadn't told them And then a big element of his our dynamic with kitty and why she doesn't trust him anymore That he left her at the altar and like it's just the thing that he finds shameful and it's it's like further reinforcing sort of Shilted Well, it's just um because he talks about like I shouldn't be afraid I wasn't supposed to be afraid, but I was so I ran away Which is what happened, right? That's what happened when he was confronted by uh by wolf as he ran away And I feel like the broad way to interpret that right is he's running away from life like life got really scary for him and His response to that was to reject life in a sense to go live in this cat sanctuary Just like soul destroying miserable not a very engaging life. I guess it's safe, but it's not particularly uh, It's not particularly interesting um Where and and so like this is sort of an acknowledgement of that and that's something he's done before He's taken like the wrong approach. He's running away from this problem that's confronting him Oh, I can't help it see that you understand. That's what tlg was trying to do. It really was that was ryan's goal His whole idea was that luke skywalker the man could no longer live up to the legend of luke skywalker Which is what puss is going through This is how to do it properly Well, one of the big things is we've seen that there are other because it's it's something that uh It's something that he eventually sort of comes to understand about the reason why he may well have left Maybe it was more than just being afraid. It was like he was so afraid of uh of like making that commitment Because it's like was was uh, it's a legend too big, you know for Is a legend too big for like more than one person to be a part of it The like is far too Doesn't generally go through line not only with uh With post but also uh with kitty was like, oh don't trust anyone just go solo. You just get screwed over by everyone Uh, you're more likely to be on the winning side when you just trust yourself not everyone else And it's just where they all have to change around with the Experience they're having in this movie and look what happened to get him here He did a series of grand adventures that had you know, plenty of heroics in them But endings where he lost a life lost a life lost a loss enough that and then you have this Incredibly powerful enemy Incredibly confident enemy and one that seems just soul and purpose and is chasing him It doesn't yes, there's no like this doesn't feel like we're humiliating puss in boots. We're challenging him Significantly and he's not used to that usually like you You you watch them in like shrek 2 or the others it'll puss in boots the movie the first one It's just yeah, he's just he's a fun larger-than-life cartoon character type thing where he's just able to dominate And it's like they went serious for a moment with him And uh, they had some points to make And I mean the big thing as well, right because this is before it's revealed now I'm pretty sure a fair few people would have been able to deduce like oh, he's like death, but for real Yeah, um, like that that's who he is. He is the embodiment of death Uh, but I mean even before this point, right? It really like he can't escape him Like wherever he goes Wolf is there because wolf is there when they go to jack Horner's uh factory He does the thing where he puts the uh He puts the coins on his eyes and points at him nice and honest He's very many he's Yeah, he's always there and he never goes away because death never goes away. Like it's inevitable It's always coming no matter what you do and it's kind of like this is something that puss needs to sort of realize Is this isn't going away like you can't keep running away from this at some point He has to confront at which yeah, you've got the scene pulled up now when they get to the uh the wishing star Oh, that fight is so cool And that whole free the payoff that he gets Yeah, like the the fight scenes in this are really like They're really good. They're either really funny Or they're just like impressive visually or they're tense um Yeah, they're really good. It it also helps a lot that at this point. I was fully Prepared for post just straight up to die here at some point after Yeah On the table, I don't know if this is gonna get out of his life. I can totally see that happening Which makes a fight scene like there's so much more tense. It's like, oh man, that's like stakes here We have like actual stakes I uh, I was gonna say as people have mentioned as well that the uh Death gets through the barrier where everyone else would get zapped by it Right with these and he doesn't show up on the map as well where everyone else does. Yeah Oh man, I love because like he because Basically like he confronts puss before this and says like yeah, I'm death straight up and then he's uh Puss runs away like he sort of runs away and abandons uh perrito and uh and kitty Which obviously kitty's not happy about because she she thought that they were forging over the course of the film They're like reconnecting. Look at that fucking look at death of the background there. Holy shit Yeah That's what this seat is is he knows they're there, but he's just like I gotta get those lives Yeah, and then of course. Yeah kid. He's like I thought we were reconnecting I thought I could trust you again, but I can't I'm not big enough like the legends too big for me Yeah, and it's it's true, right? He's very self absorbed at this point. He's focused entirely on himself It's not like unreasonable, right? Like this is a terrifying situation, but like that's what's happening here um, but then Like he's as before he can make the wish that's when wolf shows up again And it's just like yeah, this is being fun, but like it's over. All right. Let's let's fight And it's like are you gonna run or are you gonna fight and then tosses him his sword and he's just like pick it up Like come on pick it up. He's just ready for a fight. He's uh, he's raring to go But then that's when we get the reincorporation or the payoff for the the lives Is when his lives start flashing before his eyes It's just the one that he's been living going on this adventure connecting again with kitty Becoming friends with pareto doing all of these cool and exciting things And it's that like the realization of how valuable this life is that That makes him realize like that he has to fight and that he's done running And it's like oh damn like it's really cool. You got to show it. You got to show you got to show the scene I don't even want to try and like emulate the performance there. It's too good. The line delivery is perfect Don't good. It's not good. And it's so cool because he picks up this from from antonio bandera as well and also Wolf as well every line every single line that he has Yeah, he's great and throughout but the thing is everyone even jack horner just like I love the delivery of his lines all of them as well Yeah Pretty much everybody's line delivery is is great. Like there's no bad performances here Yeah, and there's a huge range of what you get, you know, you get antonio banderas who himself does really everything He tells jokes. He is he did he sing? Is he the singer? I'm pretty sure he's a singer. I checked Something some articles talked about it He he does like he could be afraid he'd be happy in jovial He have you know the jack horner character you have you know death and There's a huge just variety of different voices to appreciate It's like the visuals just the Just the different kinds of characters and voices and the way they sound is just it's just like the visuals are There's all sorts of stuff going on The movie does not rest on one kind of tone for Um, you know for itself. It does a lot It's fucking wolf man. People are going to want him to come back in the other movies where whatever Universe they've got just to just to be intimidating again Yeah, he's amazing And in the fight Like one of the things it saves when he loses his sword It's the it's the little cat blade that uh, kitty gave him right Yeah, he wouldn't have had if he didn't if he wasn't connected with her And then starts to a wheel and he still gets hurt in the fight too, which is which is good Like it's not an easy fight. This is a pretty this is a pretty difficult fight But um, then like he slowly but surely manages to prevail and then you get the the the big ol Where he like grabs a sickle and then throws it to death and tells him to pick it up Yeah, it's like that's uh, that's pretty chad and then you've got like the ultra giga chad move Where wolf gets right up in his face and uh Puss doesn't flinch at all just stares him right back in the eyes Yeah, because before he says, uh, it's like, oh, yeah I know I have no chance of beating you because well you death But yeah, uh, I will never stop fighting for this life And then the scene happens when he looks at it and he's like, ah, god damn it. No, you're ruining for me Well, yeah, he didn't he didn't want this he wanted to destroy the legend The cocky person boots who hasn't appreciated any of the lives he lost because I don't think we didn't go into the deaths We see in the beginning that he has like some of them are like super dumb Some of them are so reckless like just eating shellfish, which he's allergic to Oh, it's just shellfish in here. It's like, yeah, it's like, okay, and they're just eating him I'm telling you Cat always lads on his feet Yeah, just falls off a tower completely drunk Look at him And this is the whole reason why the death is even after him. It's like, yeah, you Most people only have one life and you didn't You didn't appreciate any of the ones you lost so far So I'm gonna take this last one myself because you don't deserve it And yeah, no, that he has poses arc is completed. He just looks in the eyes is like Damn, the legend is gone. He changed. He really does value this one life now And then he he tells him well live your life post But remember you do know we will see each other again, right? That's this that's this exit Yeah, I believe that uh, the post says yes until death in spanish. Yeah. Yeah It's just like yeah, it's kind of that acknowledgement of the reality, right? There's no defeating death, but you know, you can keep him at bay. Just he's fighting. He'll fight him Whatever they mean, he's death at bay living, isn't it? Yeah, exactly like living an embracing life accepting life for what it is and fighting It's it's a really great. It's a great arc that puss gets set on in this film Yes, really really strong the this the scene Uh in the beginning when you see death and pusses eyes And then yeah, they're at the end. It's the the other way around. You can see death, right? Oh, you can see puss and death size. Yeah, that's yeah, that's ruined. I just got lost It's just yeah, it's a really great payoff and that's yeah, he basically What happens with every character in this film is that this journey that they go on essentially Fulfills their wish anyway to where they don't even need it Yeah, everyone is like, oh, I don't want the wish. No, I mean either Yeah, because with Goldilocks, what happens is like, uh, the family gets there and they're fighting over it but then baby bearer is about to get launched into the crazy outside part of the star where like you get vaporized and then Goldilocks Goldilocks basically drops the wish to uh to save him Right because that's her family and then she you know, that's something that she comes to fully appreciate You know the the grow big and shrink items that uh horn has that's from I love that light. I was worried for a second. I'd come out naked But my clothes grew too cool It was funny, um one of the bakers survives And uh when that happened when me and rags watched it I was like, why have they kept one of the bakers alive? What's going to be the point of that like storytelling value? What is the use of having one baker and it becomes obvious that that baker is sacrificed to show The power of the barrier and how you don't want to fall into the barrier Boss I need help dearly noted if I'm a bit busy right now Such a prick The the younger bear is like i'm gonna wear your clothes. That was weird Oh my god, yeah everyone really likes jackhorner and it's just like there's nothing complex about him He's just a fucking classic evil prick. Yeah, he really is. He's just an evil bastard Yeah, the way he went when he finally gets defeated like his last lines lines are so great Oh, yeah Everyone looks like it's like I mean what specifically? And then he does the thumbs down Which felt so suitable He's just such an asshole. He's dead now. You're like that's as simple as it is. Yeah What did I do to deserve this? Yeah, I mean what specific way you should all see this movie. Yeah this one Talk about a just a Like I wouldn't have been if it turned out to be like good, you know, I'd be like, I guess I'm not surprised It's a good movie, but like it's phenomenally good. It's really good It's one of my favorite movies that I've seen in a while Um, it just kind of like shocked me with how good it was Oh, it comes as a huge surprise. I didn't expect it to be as good as it was Yeah, yeah, I mean, I didn't know what I was in for when I was because I was like, oh I need to start the for just this year. It's like, oh, what's coming up I mean, there's nothing really coming out in the beginning of the year. It's like, oh wait There's like these animated movies I can check out because animation is cool And then I watched this one. It's like, holy shit. This is really great. What is going on? It has um, it has so much going on. There's so many moving parts and they're not like complex But there's so many characters Who are all distinctly different Who are learning their own things and have their own personalities and they're trying to do their own stuff Um, and it's it's not a long movie. It's just jam-packed full of great stuff. It's funny. It's emotional It's you know, it's deep It's um, just it's just a joy to watch and to listen to Yeah, it's just also nice to see like a movie that's not Two two and a half hours long Then you just have one that's 90 minutes. It's dense. It's packed. It's goodness. Like yes That's I don't know. It's like some of my favorite kind of movie content. That's like super long I mean if it's super long, but it's great like i'm cool But when you see like a mediocre movie and it's like, oh, yeah, okay I don't really care about this part. It's like, oh, this was kind of good And at the end you go like, yeah, it was fine but this is like 90 minutes boom boom boom keeps you on your toes Keeps you engaged has a lot of stuff going on. It's like, yeah I want more like this. It's it's good It's good That's right. This is uh, we recommend this is big cinema This is what a movie can accomplish. Yeah, I uh, I'm I'm I really really like it Um, we would obviously there are way more things to talk about but it's just that we're not It's not doing a full breakdown today. You can check out the forge with uh metal meme and I Yeah, I mean meme friggin I we did a fortune at two weeks ago. Uh, go check that out if you jump in one day a longer Discussion of it. It was quite fun. It's good forge. Go watch it And the tail they are obviously that one is just great to watch it, please. Absolutely more films like this They deserve show them. We want more of this. Well, I mean, hopefully Clear there's a reason why people are talking about it so much and referencing it everywhere This is what I'm referring to when I say like who's talking about avatar And I'm saying it is like no one's talking about avatar in the way people are talking about posting boots People are like, did you see avatar? Yeah, it was by the way guys Just on the oscar subject avatar the way of water is nominated for best picture Um, obviously posting boots because it's like best pitt chr Yes, the best picture the top the top the big award the the one that you're writing I know he said yes Wait fringy best pit p i t c h e r Oh picture Yeah Yeah, like a picture of milk I was gonna I was gonna have a picture of water, but also that yeah All right, you could fill it with whatever you want Sure. All right. Well, what I was saying was it's up for the best picture not picture. All right Don't fuck with me like that Too late He's spelled it out pretty slowly in the liberal I wasn't sorry, I was too Rags forgive you Okay Avatar the way of water is nominated for best picture posting boots being an animated film was obviously exempt because only three ever And even even then the two of them that did get nominated it's like wow those two really like over A bunch of other ones because it's beauty and the beast up and Toy Story 3 the latter two are not my favorite Pixar films While he was never nominated nor writer two or Incredibles or monsters in off They all got nominated for best animated film, but um Not but but again and person boots, you know, no nominations in any other categories either right like score or uh I I don't know if you call it visual effects if it's if we're talking like 3d animation I don't know if that's just like totally exactly It's just they get the they get the nominated one for the animated But yeah, it's the the point by the way is that I think that this film is one of the best films of the year I kind of think it should have been nominated for best picture. Yeah Yeah, no, I agree with that and uh, it's it's to me It's expected but unfortunate that I have a tattoo is in best picture just it's like an automatic gets in I guess Yeah games Cameron Because the first avatar got nominated for best picture too. It's like nah Yeah, I mean I should probably say for the eFap continuity It's like do you have any breakdowns of eF of avatar? Well, there is a medals forge on it We're all of us guest star Uh, technically anyway You're folding it is probably one of my favorite forge things that happened yet It's so funny But yeah, we were not fans of that movie at all to the point where I was I was like bored by the idea of breaking it down I was like I act. Yeah, I dislike avatar too. I'm not even apathetic to it Um, well, that's the thing. I dislike a lot of it. I am apathetic to a lot of it. A lot of it I was just like falling asleep um Which you know Meanwhile this movie like watch half of this film and you're like fuck me. We've gone through so much stuff Yeah, can't wait to talk about it all sort of sort of situation. Um, but yeah, it feels weird to have done like a Uh, there's just so many movies that came out recently that I actually saw it feels weird And it's like well, we can try and rush through because I'm basically trying to find a way of now segueing into the next one because uh Speaking of animated films. Yes That was kind of neat right in the last few months because if we have three main movie topics for this this episode maybe more who knows, um It's kind of cool that you have Like, uh, you know 2d 3d animation style and then live action and then stop motion which That covers a large amount of all of film, right? tips of options uh Yes, the next one is Yelmo del Toro's Pinocchio of which I saw Well like 12 hours ago or something. Yeah Yesterday. Oh wait, I did Whatever that was Um, well, yeah, what does everyone think of this one? It's a very interesting movie. It's it's it's an odd one. This one's definitely an odd movie. There's uh in terms of like kind of its pacing and a lot of the imagery and Just it's just just the way that it looks and feels and sounds it's it's an odd movie And I don't mean that in a good or uh bad way necessarily. You're saying this is an unusual film Well, I think should just be said straight away the uh the stop motion is incredible Yeah, that's that's where I was gonna start. I was gonna say that right off the bat That's kind of funny because uh when I was taking notes for uh the watch it yesterday go watch it is uh Because I I couldn't tell if this was actual stop motion or animated stop motion. Yeah, it's weird It looks so good and detailed and So much effort is into it. It looks like weird. You have to stop It's like the first time you play a game at 100 fps. You're like what the fuck's happening like what what what? Yeah, till till we did the forge Uh, I was convinced this was animated, but just really well made But uh during your project fair I I learned that no that's that's actual stop motion I was like holy shit. That's really really impressive I've seen the behind the scenes clip. So I just figured it was stop motion It's just the they've gotten incredibly fucking good at stop motion at this point So, uh, I guess it might be because uh recently rewatched chicken run One of the stop motion Giants wonderful studio made a lot of cool movies and short films And ardman has their own style right because they're much more acclaimed. It's claymation, right? Like that's what they do stop motion animated obviously, but clay like using clay figures And like they have a really cool style and they got tons of these like detailed sets backgrounds props and everything And like you can see the love and care and attention to detail and all of those things and this film is very much the same Obviously, it's a different style But like the amount of detail And care that would have been put into designing all of the characters designing them actually building them All of the sets the way that some of the things are animated Like it is it is immensely detailed. Like this is one of the best looking stop motion animated films like i've ever seen It's incredible. It's ever been made probably It's like you say you you forget that it's claymation. It just almost it it seems like it's It's well the characters have life, right? The whole point of animation is bringing your life through the illusion of movement and everything here feels alive There's so much movement. That's so uh And and i mean it's it's a lot of um because it's it's beyond just like the the I don't want to say beyond just the animation is really great. Um, the sets are really cool There's a lot of great framing and cinematography A lot of interesting techniques that are used because obviously it uses some amount of visual effects Uh, because like the behind the scenes that's up up there now this really cool long take of uh Of the monkey running through this area Where it's got like so many moving parts all at once and this is one uninterrupted shot Super impressive but like you watch the behind the scenes. I've got like lots of green screen little You know like props and things to hold the characters in place and everything There's a green screen this is the background but it's seamless. It's seamless though It's like yeah, it's it's how CGI should be used to Help tell a story instead of just be the story for its own sake, you know And there's a lot of cool techniques because there's a part where they use fire and like the fire It kind of looks like they you it's it's it's digital clearly, but it looks like there are Um It's it's like they're using sandpaper and like cello cellophane like the colored cellophane Like to sort of make it look like it's a practical fire. Yeah, I think you've got it pulled up Um Yeah, it's a really cool technique There's a lot of these really clever like uses of the technology to achieve things It would be like basically like like the water as well because obviously the water I've always found water and fire super interesting and claymation stuff because Just yeah, like how do they do it? You know gonna be stylized so hard. It's just kind of cool It's hard enough to do water and like with like proper CGI How do you do it? What if one uninterrupted uninterrupted shot stop motion CGI? So I would have taken like probably four or five months. I could believe it took longer than that I really took a long time I've always found it weird when it's like because people I think I saw I remember I saw a tweet That was talking about how the bad guys had like a uninterrupted Like at the opening that film has like a three minute long uninterrupted shot and like some comment was like Yeah, but like why would that be impressive? It's like animation like that's Like the whole thing that makes a one-shot impressive is the coordination and live action like in real time It's like So the cool thing about a long take in an animation is there's no way that one guy did the whole thing That had to do like really really coordinated Passing over the work between and obviously laying out the area planning out like This space that you're going to have characters move through all of the moving parts Like it's it's it's difficult in a different way and it's super impressive. Yeah, difficulty exactly. It's it's difficult in a different way But most should be appreciated. That's every shot in animation though. I So like having having one shot last for like three or four minutes and it's seeming totally seamless rather than if You know like an animator is working on one shot that's going to cut to the next shot It's just like a level of coordination that's required in terms of planning that out Especially considering it's not in a real tangible space you need to plan that out in a digital space And you can't be doing any like insane crazy like changes in a Like between shots because there are no changes in the shots like it's it's challenging That's why whenever an animated film does like a long uninterrupted Like shot, it's really really cool because the amount of work that would have had to go into that It's just nuts And in this case you see it in the behind the scenes It's like the amount of planning you would need to do to make sure that you get that right and that you need to be getting It right with each shot that you're taking because You know like when you do an animation you got to plan this out like you got to plan everything out It's really impressive is the point that's being made like this whole film looks fantastic like all the time Yeah, there's I was trying to think of if if we should just Sort of say that that is the the way it looks portion of our praise is just it's it's like a hundred percent Yeah, it's yes, it's really good what you're watching on screen doesn't do it justice like getting a good You know, it's just you you got to see it. It's weird So i'm just gonna push you can say it's weird. I just think it's awesome. I'm not gonna put Oh, it is but but I think it is weird I think that it's so of such good quality and so Not what you typically get in terms of its style and how it's done That I think I do think it's weird in a good way. I don't think you're gonna get something like this anywhere else um like this just seems to go above and beyond any other Acclamation thing that I've seen to where it almost feels like it's its own just kind of style um Oh, I mean this is a film that if you put it next to like, you know wallace and grommet curse or the wherever But it's like you can understand the differences in what can be achieved in the same medium with uh with stop-motion animation Yeah, it's like it's like cgi can be in a whole variety of styles whether it's you know Whether it's puss in boots or arcane or anything like that, you know um And claymation is this You know, is this move, you know, this movie proves A lot of ways to do that just claymation um Just of course These and and yeah the behind-the-scenes stuff really like illuminates the The kinds of things that you wouldn't think about like the fact that you need to create different sized versions of Sebastian j cricket And Pinocchio like to make sure to get the scale right if you need close-ups with Sebastian versus a long shot or not Like, you know, one's where he's much smaller and it's like those sorts of considerations of scaling and everything um that you're not going to notice right because it's so seamless like it's it's just it's it's uh You don't notice the techniques that are being used because they're so they're so well executed um It's like on a technical level. It's incredible Like what they've made here is phenomenal visually Yeah, and it's always just stop-mo has just always had a uh, I think kind of an uphill battle for appreciation as well It has it has because the highest grossing anim stop-motion animated film is chicken run Uh, and that made about 250 million something like that, which uh is a lot less than the most successful 3d animated and 2d animated films as well Stop-motion has always been more niche for whatever reason I don't remember. I've ever seen chicken run I don't remember I might have but it was it's worth a thousand. I might just don't remember it Maybe it's definitely worth a definitely Well, oddman oddman makes good. I I uh I I'm still undecided on whether my favorite is chicken run or curse of the wire rabbit Um, I just really like wallace and grommet a hell of a lot. Uh, so that might I'm not sure He's a favorite. All right favorite oddman. Yes, uh And in terms of like favorite stop-motion animated film Probably would be like if it was going to be probably like wallace and grommet or it would be between those two Probably but I haven't seen Coraline yet. So I uh, I want to we should re-watch that. I really would like to see it again because I have not very much enjoyed it I haven't seen it yet. So I got to see it the first time Well, yeah, that works too. But I guess uh, well, I mean, but uh, I guess now would be the part where it's like Well, so we've talked about obviously the technical aspects. What everybody think of the story I thought it was really good. There's just a couple of things that I was thrown off by Uh And and you know, to be honest with you There's just a couple of normal like things I would complain about an eddy story I feel like the the biggest one probably is uh The bomb that lands on them and it blows Pinocchio out onto a stone with the I guess other main antagonist of the movie is waiting for him Yeah, he's just he just kind of went there and then he sets up killing him there It's it just it's it's very uh, to me came across as like we've got to get this scene done now Uh, we can't quite fit it in so I don't know a bomb and then he flings over to where he is. It's just like, okay Sure But I would still say there's plenty to appreciate in terms of cause and effect especially for the characters And I was I I'd have to say I feel like it was really pulled together by the end. I was I was quite moved Yeah, the ending was I love the ending Yeah, I felt a little unsure on a number of parts along the way But man that ending was just like oof. I was That hit me really really Oh, yeah, absolutely. The ending just had me. Uh, I was a mess. I was a I was a wreck Well, I mean, especially we just talked about pushing boots. This this one has a lot to say about death as well And life and the meaning of life Was about yeah, I really love Sebastian jay cricket. Uh, you and mcgregor He's great. The character design is awesome. He's his voice is great. I really like Great. Um, I think all the designs aesthetically are just very, um, yeah, I love the look of Pinocchio Yeah, the blue fairy. Oh, it was on the screen. Yeah, the And the death's chimera Yeah, the feels narrowy deliver. Oh, the the yeah, the the wood sprite in the uh, and the death Chimera will cool. It's really really odd. Very interesting. Uh, yeah It's like this this mixture of fantasy and also like a biblicular representation of an angel with all the eyes That's the eyes and the wings. It's crazy. Yeah, I love it. I love it It's very almost like classic fairy tale in a way. It kind of gives that vibe of like This goes like a fairy tale, you know, oh, yeah, people are gonna fucking die People are yeah, there's some you know bad shit might happen as part of the it's almost Dark at times. I was gonna say I think if anyone's familiar with Guillermo del Toro's work It's it's funny how reserved and restrained this is compared to a lot of his stuff like, um having the kid die and then like the Uh, again, I just want to say David Bradley man. What a legend. He keeps putting in so many fantastic performances Like, um, I love seeing him show up in anything It was really funny. He showed up in um, uh, Will Dend, right? He was like, he was just I told you not to ask for that It's like that guys fucking let and then of course hot fuzz with his Uh, bullshit way of talking I'm ready to go for the trilogy again. It's been like one and a half years. I think it's Need that in my life sometimes Um, how we got out of trilogy it's just uh, so Wolder frey and we got Ron Perlman Knocking out of the park here. I'm not done with David Bradley. Fuck you Hey, my engine making those monkey noises I was gonna do that joke. I didn't know if they knew Anyway, the uh, yeah, he plays uh, the first doctor as well as David Bradley. Um, he's he's just Coming out with all these things. I'm just like, I'm fucking glad you're still going. I really uh, he put so much passion into this role I really uh, feel like Sort of ending scenes wouldn't be anyone near as good if not for his voice acting Yeah, he was he was he was uh, excellent because uh, Gepetto and and his story that was uh, that was really emotionally like Yeah, and it was it was because of him. He was uh He was fantastic like in this role Yeah, um him constructing Pinocchio and like, uh The crew the Sebastian getting like creeped out by it as well. There's aspects of like, um What exactly are you doing here? Have you gone too far? So like a just I just think it's uh Especially with some of the character designs Yama del Toro I watched the cabinet of curiosities recently, which is like I think a passion project of his as well He's a fucking weird dude. All right. He makes some weird shit Uh, all of it is usually amazing in terms of how it looks though And you guys seen uh, panzel aberrant I have not I want to though, but I've never just I've never seen it again a movie that I think people remember more of However, how everything looked in that necessarily not necessarily compared to the storyline though I remember it being awesome as well. Um, it's just cool that he's still getting work done Especially handing him something like Pinocchio because it's it's the kind of thing where you're just like, yeah I'd like I'd like to see a Guillermo del Toro Pinocchio. Sure This is a passion project for him. He's wanted to work on it for like 15 years It shows He's really really inspired to make this. I mean, we're talking about like character designs the design for Pinocchio here is super Super unique. Oh, yeah It's like the most the one that I've uh that I'm more of but like most emphasizes the fact that he is like made of wood That he was like carved out of a tree That he is not a real, uh, like he's not a real person, but like that's thematically really relevant Yeah, because you you expect at some point and even the the movie is kind of hinting at it It's like, oh, I'm going to fix you up tomorrow Right, so make you nice and clean, but that never happens. Like well, and that's that's the point right as it's like If there's So this this movie's about life again Yes One of the things that it's about in terms of life is that sometimes things don't go according to plans Sometimes you don't get exactly what you want. Sometimes things get cut off short or things happen to you that just are terrible And it's like, well, how do you move forward with that? Like how do you appreciate again what you have? because in the case of um It's there's a there's a lot of symbolism that sort of emphasizes that the fact that he was constructing a wooden Of like the jesus on the on the cross like in the church, but then it gets destroyed When it gets bombed in the the bombing that kills his son And it remains unfinished for like the the next however many years while uh, jepeto was absolutely miserable Um, and then the fact that like pinocchio, right? He puts one ear on and it feels very deliberate that he has the one ear And by the end of the film that ear was lost that ear at some point gets destroyed or lost at the point that uh Jepeto essentially accepts that pinocchio is pinocchio and not a replacement for his son Um, but his other son right who is going to enrich and fulfill his life Um, there's obviously the symbolism with the pinecone the fact that the pinecone grows and then falls like representing You know life and death that um, I think uh, carlo grabs like a pinecone. That's not quite perfect And so jepeto was like, well, yeah, well, we're not going to use that one as opposed to like well, this this pinecone is good enough Right, this is um, this is this is suitable enough for me. Like i'm happy with this Um, it's enough those sorts of things. That's like pretty persistent throughout the story Um, and I just in terms of like, I guess tying it back to where it started I I love that like they have emphasized that pinocchio was carved out of wood that he that he's not real Because by the end of the film it's about embracing him for what he is Not changing him into somebody else or making him something he's not which is um By the way, that's like a that's a hyper consistent thing throughout the film with pinocchio when he goes on all of these adventures and Sort of uh interact with other people It's more so that like pinocchio through existing and being himself teaches other people things about themselves And a lot of the time it's about a character who's trying to be forced by somebody else into something Then not so you got it with the monkey essentially being forced into a life that he doesn't enjoy constantly tormented and ridiculed and treated poorly um, only to eventually basically find a family with uh, pinocchio jepetto and uh, and sebastian The sebastian is like um, oh or rather that um The son candelwick is basically being forced by his father to become Like a soldier and it's not who he wants to be it's against his nature You see a lot of examples throughout the film of him Sort of mirroring his father's behavior trying to get his approval, but it's just a get to a point where it's like No, I don't want this. This isn't one of one for my life. Um There's like a lot of that throughout the film of like trying to force Uh, something to be what it's not and and rather accepting a person for who they are um And then even just the things of like life doesn't go according to plan But that's okay You can you can find some good in it with like a real a relatively straightforward and not to uh difficult and confronting one where sebastian is like I want to write my memoirs and then the tree that he sets up to do it and gets cut down And he's immediately put upon this quest to essentially turn pinocchio into a good boy to guide him into a good person So he can get a wish and over the course of the story. He gradually becomes more and more involved and invested and um in uh The story of pinocchio To the point that he eventually doesn't even write his memoirs He writes a story about pinocchio and he's okay and happy with it There's a lot of this sort of stuff throughout the film and I I found it like really thematically compelling Well, you know what? Sorry, that was that was a long Well, don't need to interrupt it when it's going that good, you know, uh I actually found it kind of almost it's weird to say this I found it almost cute that at the end when uh, the story is still being described post Sebastian's death I was like wait, so Who wrote that down or who's talking and what's the context that it just cuts to he's playing cards with the The rabbits. I was like, ah, that's great Yeah, um, I quite liked the the death world Yeah And the lady that was up there. I found uh, she was one of the characters that I was most interested in for a dialogue Um, yeah Yeah, no, I I pulled up the cast because I was very curious about who was going to be doing more and Yeah, just to just to repeat what rags mentioned to the monkey. It's apparently voiced by kate blanchett, which is infinitely funny I only looked at the cast after I watched it and they just reminded me of how bad I am at realizing what voices are Or recognizing voices rather. It's like, oh, wow. It's like Ian McGregor and kate blanchett. Okay. You didn't Okay No, I'm just oh his voice is downright like super specific to me Yeah, no, that's what I mean. I'm like super bad if I just hear voices. I just won't notice. It's really dumb I don't know. That's just a brain thing with me because I'm german. I don't know Um, but yeah, this is like a stacked cast. It's it's quite incredible It is and I kind of christoph waltz is count vault pay as well. He was really great Well, so is it even worth saying christoph waltz is good in something at this point? He's good in everything. He's a phenomenal actor. He just never pulls in a bad performance Much like he got like everything is good here in terms of voice acting The character sounds so distinctly different the way that they speak is very animated and lively almost whimsical It fits with the nature of the the way that the movie Looks and it's kind of it leans into that old school fairy tale kind of element And the voice is just they nail that element. No gives voice acting absolutely captures child wonder and like Threat that it doesn't drop a beat in terms of just coming across that way while In a world that's you know There's not the nicest things are happening in this world No, because we're we're set in world war two, right? When we start in one and then time passes to two is that the I think that was the idea and I'm a little confused I I thought the movie took place in 1926 10 years after The yeah, maybe maybe that it's definitely sure somewhere in that line If not world war two, it's the interwar period. Uh, yeah, that probably makes the most sense Because we have the the tree that that that grew like all the way basically Uh, it's definitely like 10 12 years. Is anyone anyone chat anyone seen the the disney Pinocchio Because um, I did check reviews the first one. Yeah, and this one this one's getting praise You know topped of arm, of course while the disney one is getting shot a little bit And I'm curious is it is it as bad as like cruella and stuff or is it More normal bad. Well consider well Okay, what's weird about Pinocchio is that it seemed to be What was it the one that got like super panned? Uh, when it came out and get a very positive reception Which in like on the disney curve is like a big deal Worst than cruella. I don't believe you. I don't believe you No, man, how many times do we say it couldn't be worse than that? And then it just is But we're fitting are we like forgetting stately the fact you say cruella when we're talking about like remember malon Things like oh my god that probably was worse than cruella actually I would say malon is worse than cruella. Jesus. That happened. They made that movie. Remember the original. Oh my god We watched them back to back. We did go watch that after this stream It's a really great back to back The Zemeckis Pinocchio is that we are now answering the error I mean, I guess it kind of started with lady in the tramp of like not only are we doing these remakes But now we're doing the ones where it's like, yeah, just throw it on disney plus Because i'm pretty sure there's meant to be like a peter pan remake that's coming out this year That'll be on disney plus too and it's like they probably get less money and probably like less focus Um, I don't know whether that's what that yields though in terms of the writing though really because like again Mulan and cruella were both Well mulan and cruella were both supposed to be theatrical releases and I think they had a partial theatrical release and I mean they both suck so You know, yeah Reap in oakius last year for some reason there were there were yeah, there's a funny one Yeah, I want to see the funny one at some point, but it'll have to be effort movies the one with that clip where it's like Is it just like really hideous voice acting like father? I want to go out to the world yeah Yeah, I All that I know of that's yeah of its existence is the twitter clips people saying guys guys You have to listen to this It's the worst thing in the universe and they were being honest I love because we've talked about this before but voice acting can be difficult to nail down exactly Like the metrics for how good or versus bad, but it feels like everyone agrees on the best and worst There's just not much Disagreement in terms of like you hear that clip you're like Yeah, anyway back to the good one, uh, because I'm curious to see the dude is d1 at some point, but I'm in no rush I'm like, you know, you know me. I've got this morbid curiosity. Yeah I mean, I guess it's an excuse to watch the original It does that's really true Because we can't just watch it You know, I'm gonna watch it on my own. It's not how it works. No There's rules this lol I mean, it is a really good for that though to watch the new and the old back to back when it's fresh in your memory You watch the good thing and now that you have the good thing ready to go in your mind I wasn't allowed to watch Austin powers again until we were ready to record watching it. You know, that's how it works Spoilers goodness. No, I already mentioned it to people. They won't see it for like two years. So yeah, that's true They'll forget that you mentioned it here. Yep in 2023. Yeah, just forget about it. Yeah, don't worry guys You'll get a whole avalanche of e-fat movies someday I might actually get to the point where I might it's not this calendar You'll have to buy new calendars to market the problem is we've got plenty more that we're set to record So we might have stopped culling them a little bit In terms of ones that I'll have to say goodbye to But don't panic because there are plenty that have already been created. We're just organizing when to release them Anyway, uh, what else shall we talk about? What are the topics would you like to Address with this film? Um, I will say this I loved the songs Yeah, I really loved it. I thought the songs were excellently done I think that the singers were really good in particular panocchio's singer Uh, incredibly talented Do you want to film a Remind Me Of? If they're musically Uh lion king No Let me think what lion king you're saying what this movie reminds you of music like what? Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out why so that gives you a clue as to not necessarily being conventional as an answer Uh, Lord of the Rings Oh no, okay. Um, Sweeney Todd Oh Okay, and I think it's just because of how how casually they'll start entering into a song and Uh, it's I say this is if this isn't convention songs are gone too long Yeah, they're they're short and sweet a lot of them. So I don't know. Yeah We need to Jesus. I see what you mean. That's was a long time ago When did that come out like 2010 2008? I don't say seven. No, I'm not sure though. I've seen that in the cinema randomly I like that movie. I like it too. I'm pretty apathetic when it comes to musicals, but I really like Sweeney Todd 2007. Yeah I like it. Sorry. We're talking about panocchio. Uh, sorry Uh, my bad. Yeah, uh The yeah, the songs they sort of peppered throughout they I think they they leave well before they're unwelcome, you know, like uh, Yeah, they're nice and short and they're pretty pretty neat Um Yeah, they don't overstay. They're welcome. They're they're short. They're done really well They're distinct from one another the singing is done excellently makes me curious if the singing is done by the original actors because You never know for sure They can get like impressionists. I remember that's how it worked for a lot of disney films Is that they would get uh people who sound like them but can sing, you know, because yeah, the voice act doesn't mean you can sing You know, yeah, my voice actor had one Milan's voice actress. She had one Um, I don't do that now with the remakes and that seems like the results are really mixed It wasn't at the point with them the lion king. They hired a singer The hardest thing are not an actor. Yes. And yet it sounds worse on both counts because of how they mixed it and how they directed him Yeah, well, well, it's because um I know that the one of them was uh Because emma watson as bell I don't know if like she's a singer but like you can hear some of that auto tune you same with woose smith Like you can hear uh, you can hear some of that auto tune in a lot of his songs as well It's like oh damn. It's like guys. It doesn't have to be like mechanically sterily perfect Like you don't want to go back and you listen to there's probably like early the who In the Beatles and stuff like that. There's a there's an imperfection to the singing That's really nice. It's kind of like when you watch it's like claymation Right. Well, I like that the little touches of oh somebody's hand probably brushed that out of the way But like that's charming, you know, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's um, I think what I would say is that um When it comes to musicals something I've been thinking about more and more about the ones I like versus the ones I don't like is the feeling that the songs aren't so divorced from uh from the story It's happening It feels like the emotion is really coming through rather than rather than necessarily giving the absolute best performance of the song possible It's like the best performance of the song in the context of the emotions the characters will be feeling at the time um Whereas yeah, it's like maybe you shouldn't always Sing like you are like this this android that perfectly hits every single note and Like there's it's like a lot of instruments where like you can play the song perfectly note by note But it could still sound sound lifeless and mechanical and just Devoid In the lion king, right? I just can't wait to be king the the roar the difference between the way that the They they do the roar in the original It's like the one in the original is kind of rough And and it sounds like a kid who's actually kind of trying to do a roar Whereas like the new one Yeah, well, well, but a human, you know, obviously saying raw Whereas in the the new one it's like you didn't want to hurt your vocal chords too much Did you like you didn't want to you didn't want to sound too like awkward Did you so like instead you have this really flat delivery Um, but I I'd say it's direction fault more than anything directors should be like, um, yeah Try it again, but just like you don't need to hit the note like totally perfect. You could just sort of do a You can just uh yell and that's okay But I guess it would be it's um, it's like, uh, I remember I I showed Mola I showed him back to back of like Beauty and the Beast the song, you know The song bell one where it's her going through the town And everybody's like, oh, yeah, she's weird and then you compare like the contrast between the original versus the new one It's like Oh She's like you just lose so much so much Oh, there could be a deep study on the production of all of these originals versus remakes. It's sad I'm pretty sure there are there were some videos. There's some videos talking about the difference musically as well. Um Because I think it was a video that I watched that made me aware of that That comparison for Beauty and the Beast where I think the guy was talking about how you can hear The the uh the actress for bell and the original it's almost like you can hear her smiling as she's singing Compared to in the remake where it's I can't remember. It was definitely in a video that I saw Maybe someone in chat will be familiar with it. Um that kind of breaks down like these things that get lost in translation Yeah, and obviously why messes lion king is like very dives deep into the music and changes that were made Go watch that video. It's super interesting sideways. That's the guy. Yeah, that was the video on um Beauty and the Beast And what went wrong? Although I think it's just so Neat like Antonio presumably like I said, I can't say for sure But I'm pretty sure he did the singing but also the Spanish translation is like that's such a cool benefit to have Yeah, that's true. Yeah Um Emma Watson was just god awful. I haven't seen that film yet, uh, but I haven't either I showed you and you could you you heard it more. No, I know but I mean I'm assuming they're saying god awful is as a whole right, but I I don't know I don't I don't know what she is like as an actress. I've just not well I watched the Harry Potter films, but I don't feel like that's Wingardium. Livio saw Yeah, I don't know any I don't know what I conclude from having seen here in all of those I need to see her in something else. I think and that would be as well I mean, they're from a long time ago, right? So be more relevant wasn't little women. She was in that right and that is good Well, I haven't seen either. So, yeah, maybe that's like Yeah, even her acting. Well, yeah, well, it'll be that'll be an easy, you know, classic and remake sort of thing to do It'll be great Yeah, I've seen Jay Longbow's video on the beats as well. We'll probably drag her kicking and screaming into any fat recording for that We had it for the Mulan one and We've been dragging it to the old the Disney ones I think we did right the Dalmatians and Cruella. We had her as well. We did Dalmatians. She must hate us We we we've dragged her in for the Austin Powers one though. She makes us watch porn People won't know exactly what you mean when you say They will one day they will she'll release the edit one day. This the mystery will be vindicated Yes, there's the Lion King arc is it Lion King one then two Simba's pride and then the remake Well, you forgot one and a half Wait, wait, what? Sorry. Help me out Lion King one and a half I what is that? You really not know Or are you just screwing with me? I'm I'm legitimately not fucking with you this time Do you not remember? Or is this a oh, no, I haven't seen this no I haven't Well, no, I wasn't aware of that. Okay. No, I don't know about Lion King 1.5 Well, Timber really, okay. I didn't even know that Well, there's also, um, isn't there a Lion King like cartoon show? I don't know anything about it other than that They did that a lot. I'm pretty sure that was a ta zan show Uh, let me actually look it up. What's it called? Uh, Lion King cartoon show The Lion Guard American animated series it's from Oh, the first episode was in 2016 so Final episode was 2019. So yeah, it was oh my god. Oh my god. It's metal. I found your brother Oh, I found your brother You didn't tell us I could see it. Yeah, I could see it Um, I That's uh, that kid from the middle, right? Um, you guys have watched that show in the middle I've seen Malcolm in the middle, but not the middle Oh, yeah, I'm forgetting a name everybody loves Raymond the wife. What was uh, and it had the uh, it had the janitor from scrubs Um He strikes me as the kind of person who talks like this. What is that? The accent was something. Oh, I don't know. I don't know The important thing is you wanted to have an accent Um, it's not an accent to him So, uh, someone I don't think I've talked to you about uh, for any of you I'd be curious what your thoughts are on this that uh, when he's first introduced kind of amazing and creepy and strange Like obviously it's a fucking wooden thing that's come alive And when he enters the church and starts moving around you get uh, suitably people like demon creature And then it feels like We sort of went when they visit him at night Everyone's just gotten over that and that never comes up ever again Yeah, it does seem like it's it's been moved past they just sort of accept that he has uh I would have thought it'd be better to commit from the beginning that a talking wooden creature Is just something in this world that they just don't find surprising instead of Selling it as though it is and then just dropping it. I thought it was strange Yeah, I'm like how'd you better accept the talking cricket? I was about to say that's another thing that they seem weird at first But then everyone comes to just be fine with and it's like, okay Look, I'd be I'd quickly be fine with Sebastian j cricket as well if I met him I'd just be like, hey man. You're pretty cool. It seems really nice. Everyone keeps beating him up I thought he was really upsetting when Gebedo stood on him near the beginning Yeah, he definitely takes the beating but he takes it He's got a little mustache Oh, and that's right. He just said in chat. This was the same for me I thought that the idea was going to be that the only person that could hear Sebastian was going to be Pinocchio um But then it gets explicit. I think halfway onwards that Gebedo is using information provided by Sebastian. So um Yeah, just some stuff like that that I was again a little bit thrown from or thrown But generally speaking it's very it's a pretty straightforward story I think um something that I mean, what do you think about this as an idea? They separate them out as Gebedo and Sebastian and then Pinocchio and villains essentially um Maybe maybe Sebastian should have been in his in his heart the whole time He could stick with him throughout his Pinocchio's adventure giving advice. I think it suits better with what uh His sort of stated goal was right? I think so too. I don't feel like um Oddly enough, I don't it doesn't and I don't know how I Like can process this more objectively, but I feel like we didn't get enough Really between Gebedo and Pinocchio or Pinocchio and Cricket I'm inclined to agree. I would have liked to see more of their relationship in a happy state And so when it's taken away, it it means more the longer they're separated because It feels like Gebedo is just coming to sort of value Pinocchio to like him Yeah, and then he decides afterwards and I can't it's a little difficult because Pinocchio is just like a little twerp sort of Like it like it's the beginning of like he needs to start learning his lessons and Some things like that and Gebedo really bonds with them over some things I find some commonality and in that process begins And then Pinocchio and him are separated. I felt like it happened a little too soon um And of course with you know Pinocchio and Cricket Spending more time together being able to you know Him being you know sort of sort of his guide in a sense or you know trying to do his best for the you know fairy Yeah, and you got He didn't do a great job like well you could still have that as a payoff Even if you were with him right you could give advice that keeps backfiring or you could try and get involved and make things worse Maybe the cricket thinks he's doing a really bad job and he keeps trying and trying and trying But actually Pinocchio is learning a decent amount from him It just doesn't seem that way in a moment, which would be a neat little part of the film to be like Yeah, you might not think you're doing you know really great at the moment, but you know keep trying The idea that Gebedo didn't get enough time with Pinocchio the impression that I got pretty clearly was that His life was improving in ways that he didn't fully appreciate yet And so like for them to sort of be happy and then get taken away kind of undercuts the notion that he just Didn't value him enough, which was like kind of the problem Was that he wasn't even though even though Pinocchio wasn't rich in his life. He just didn't appreciate it yet Um, and it was only once he was gone right that he started to realize that it kind of ties into the fact that when he Reunites with him later It's only when Pinocchio was dead that he starts saying the things he should have said a long time ago Like that he loved him that he was a son Um That he appreciated him for who he was it kind of feels like it ties into a lot of those themes about life, right of of Yeah, I think it was the final line right like stuff happens and then and then like it's it's over or damn I'm annoyed. I got that line essentially. Yeah. Yeah, that's right life happens then then it's gone I I don't I feel like Gebedo like his life seems to be markedly worse because of Pinocchio He's got the the church and all the people are angry at him Like you're breathing down his throat Pinocchio breaks all his shit So the the the counter would be that his life before that was like non-existent. He wasn't doing I guess. Yeah At least he would start to become functional sort of the second that Pinocchio Comes back. He starts doing things again. Like he he's already his life is improving and yeah, like stuff is happening that is Difficult, but it's like but it's it's at least things are happening like at least he's participating in life again um And it's just that he needs to sort of appreciate that this is like a new opportunity that he has And he's just not fully appreciating it about by the time that he's starting to get there is when you know Pinocchio leaves I feel like that was pretty critical right in terms of emphasizing That sort of notion that he didn't appreciate what he had if they were happy and then Pinocchio left It's like well Ben. He's not really learning anything. Is he he already? I completely reject that that's insane. Yeah, okay If we had a couple of seeds with Pinocchio, Gepetto Finally reaching an equilibrium and he's like, you know what I'm actually kind of happy here and then he leaves or is taken That's it. I could easily argue that's going to have more of a punch I think it would have had more of a punch for me because I don't I think they were just They separated him a bit too early. You needed to show I think a bit more of Pinocchio starting to I think Pinocchio kind of adjusts to his existence and his relationship with Gepetto Gepetto sort of does the same thing learning how to you know, sort of raise Pinocchio as not necessarily exactly like Carlo, but Well, I mean it's worth remembering right the reason Pinocchio leaves He wasn't taken he left and the reason why he left was because he felt like he was a burden Yeah, like obviously a negative encounter you can change little pieces however you want We can keep it so that he leaves to Maybe even protect Gepetto's life for whatever reason may come up If if you're gonna alter everything you still change it all I get I The thing is when I look at a change like that it's like I feel like we're starting to deviate a little bit too much From like what they were going for which is what I appreciated We can still maintain it. So like I said the scenes I'm looking for are ones that really give Gepetto a strong reason almost like tangibly to appreciate Pinocchio as opposed to What this film does which is Give give give reason that that's there. It's just it's just not as strong compared to a lot of the detriments that Pinocchio brought immediately And I think as well it does kind of time for me that it would have been smoother had I had more Um settling with this actual possessed piece of wood That's jumping around and is a human question mark Like that's terrifying and they run with that briefly, but then they drop it Uh, well sure, but I guess in terms of like the amount of time they have it's worth noting that I think Pinocchio leaves around about the halfway mark Like they're hanging out for a while Um, that's that's well, so what we're highlighting is that a lot of it is a negative experience for Gepetto Yes, um seems to be a vastly negative experience So right as it's becoming about But the thing is is that like there's things that are positive that he doesn't appreciate yet Like the fact that he's getting back out into the world and participating in life again Like I wouldn't describe that as it's go It goes un unnoticed by him and it's not like I guess what you would say is like an overtly positive thing But like that is an influence. It's already happening Just by virtue of the fact that like Pinocchio is now an element in his life that he has to deal with Yeah, I think they should be more in the world again Okay Because it makes the impact I can believe it much more than when Gepetto is compelled to like risk life and limb to get Pinocchio back Do you feel like it wasn't sufficiently he wasn't sufficiently compelled to go save him by that point? I was having a little bit of trouble with it. Yeah, because like I said combo What I think is a relationship that costs Gepetto a lot with the fact that this is not this is this is kind of terrifying It's a supernatural Sort of event that we're kind of brushing away because we have a story to tell That there's there's nothing and like I said if you'd committed to that from an earlier point I'd probably be okay with it. But they give us the regular reaction, which is that everyone gets scared and is confused Um, it's it's crazy to me that like characters later in the story when they first see Pinocchio have no issue at all Uh Like how much later were we talking because remember there was a whole thing where like he kind of made a much better impression When he started performing in those shows More my point is that nobody seems to be surprised by A puppet that is doing incredibly amazing things and then if anyone meets him Beyond the show you can have it confirmed. This is just a living piece of wood Yeah, everything from like the army to I mean literally Benito Mussolini The army stuff is what threw me the most I think As much as I appreciate the idea that he is an unkillable soldier This is crazy man. You've got a wooden Possessed piece of wood running around with a gun. I don't know even know what it's so strange But like I get there's there's points being made. There's lots of sub-tax here, but It's uh, it's a very the sequence was almost throwing me out a bit It was strange. Um The idea that we have um, I forget Ron Perlman character's name Podesta Yeah, there's like, oh like you have this like Like this this child-brained living piece of wood that eventually if it's like busted up and killed it Will come back to life in the perfect soldier. I'm like Really? You think so? Well, and and there's no mechanical testing as much as this sounds really uh autistic I just feel like what is how does it work? Can you take his head off and you'll come back? Can you burn him and you'll come back? He can explode get hit by a car I guess sort of like normalish boy things like what would happen to a normal boy if he set off a land mine Or he had hit by a car He gets a twang by that bomb like way more that would have been way more forced than the car But he's okay So just question then like let's say All of his pieces fall into like the sea When he comes back what what is even happening exactly? Is it like all telekinetically like? I don't know. Yeah, that's a question. I asked as well It's like what what happens if you just well burn him like volpe is trying to like what happens then if the time runs out you just have like saw dust flying around or like like I don't know what dust and he's in there somehow like yeah, how does that work? That's a good And you know, it's that mechanic is a big payoff in the film right the right And that's that's another thing. I remember me and rags talking about it. Yeah It's the film spends a while explaining like that mechanic that he can come back and he's like kind of happy about it But she's trying to sort of imply or I think explicitly state It ain't a good thing man Like death is what makes life meaningful and you know, you will never truly die But yeah, well, yeah, she's she's like actually you will die though many many many time Like she says it like this is gonna suck and then we find out near the sort of the big payoff of the film Oh, you can circumvent that if you just you know, just essentially just ask Yeah He says you just ask and the the situation's done and you're just normal That could be said that each of those first two times you didn't really like each time he's learning more and more about how it works Because it's sort of him having to couple it with his own understanding of what mortality is which he has to learn for the first time himself I find the time Initial words are going to ring much more hollow on a rewatch when you know that there's a loophole that is very easy Yeah, at any point you just essentially ask to not play by those rules and it's done Because if you have mechanics work this way, I would have thought maybe that the idea then should be that he's he's told like You know, you may have died, but you can go back unlike anyone else. That's that's great. It's amazing However, if ever you wanted to You know, you have to wait however long if you ever wanted to go back fast It would mean you could never come back again like setting it up in some way that Seems more coherent than Your cursed unless you do this really easy thing like oh, okay And the show sells it in the second portion of explaining those mechanics as a bad thing Like you'll be a real boy and you won't be able to come back again So I think it was more so that like he's gonna probably die Like if he gets brought back because of the situation that he's in But the I think that muddles a little bit with the whole death brings meaning to life If you kind of choose the rules you play by in a sense or it's it's not really making it Work so much as just cancelling it. It's it's it does it's strange. It's um It's not clever. I suppose that you can just Like the the way to to get around this essentially Undeath curse is to just say I don't want it anymore You know, like I wish there was maybe a more Oh, well, sure But like wouldn't the argument be that like somebody would feel compelled to get around that curse once they've developed a full Understanding of like that the value of life is derived from its finite nature that like initially it'd be like, yeah, that's pretty cool Kind of like what Pinocchio says right was like, yeah, it's pretty cool I'm not gonna die and that's neat and then like the more that he gets to experience the story He the more that he starts to sort of like grapple these concepts to where he would be in a position to make that kind of choice now Like that it's the kind of thing that he has to be able to learn himself Like it can't be explained to him He has to live it and then that puts him in a position where he feels compelled to make the choice Because you even see right he kind of struggles with the choice like he uh, he hesitates a couple of times Before smashing the hourglass. We'll see this and then I think what they should have committed to the It was something of a power that he had and enjoyed and he has to sacrifice that in order to save the people He loves who will not live that much longer relative to how long he could live Like that that sacrifice quote unquote is there but it's weird that we're set up as though It's a curse to begin with that he comes back all the time Yeah, almost like it isn't a sacrifice because you want to get to that like that's It was set up as a curse the second time each meeting reveals new things to him about it Like the first time is just you'll come back. The second time is oh, that's pretty cool It's like um is it and then the third time is no, I don't want to come back anymore. Like I want to I want to go back Yeah, and I like each one. It's different. I think throwing them all together is it's confused a little bit I don't think it's um It's super solid and it's one of the things that threw me like the This is why with the opening um, I kind of agree that like I I love the film For a lot of reasons the story. I am I am fine with I have lots of Things that confuse me slash issues with it, but I also have things I love about it Yeah, I would say that this story is I guess it's the weakest part, but that's mostly a testament to how incredible everything else is Well, what do you mean when you said the story is the weakest part like which are you talking about the plot? I Think so. Yeah Of character yeah um I guess I got to really think about it because a lot of this I feel like I have to put this in the frame of they're trying to tell like a fairy tale story And so there are elements of like what we said before in terms of oh, this is like a living puppet Uh, and and we get weird reactions to that that seem to be a bit inconsistent Um, but the characters themselves like I like the characters a lot. I really I I'd have to think about it more um To see to think about like, you know, podesta and candlewick and You know, like it just kind of all that's happening Nudges me in favor of this film is a lot of these just like little touches There are a lot of these moments where you just get a little glimpse of like the way that a character reacts in a situation that tells you a lot. There are a few instances when Uh, during the earlier parts when, uh, Gepetto and Pinocchio were like hanging out where you'd see like a little bit of softness In Gepetto's expression like when he sort of is like, uh, you know, I actually like Pinocchio And and then like it gets back to being focused on whatever the task is at hand There was a part that I remember there was point out in the forge where like when when uh, Pinocchio shows up in the church candlewick, um Podesta's son looks at Pinocchio kind of like, um, sort of sort of like Interested like intrigued about it like kind of a little bit and all then he looks up at his dad and then Mirrors his expression It's like all those sorts of little things and there are a lot of those throughout the film where it's like It's just sort of reinforcing It's these little touches that are reinforcing the uh, the core for a lot of these characters in terms of the uh, The arcs that they're going on And the fact that like all of their arcs are so well bound together by the central theme Well, one of one of a few themes, right? But one of the big ones being like, uh, trying to change the nature of something Instead of accepting accepting somebody for who they are Like there's a lot of that in the film and I think that ties together really in a really strong way Yeah, for people who don't do that. They meet Like bad ends, you know Yeah, well, it's just every time it has negative consequences for the person to the point that the person rejects them, right? Like the person that they're trying to change rejects them the monkey rejects a vulture and fights back against him Candlewick rejects his father and so it's like Essentially, Gepetto gets to learn the lesson, but he has the negative thing of like he realizes it too late And then it's only The film frames it as if if Volpe didn't have his attitude towards the puppet and In you know, his greediness and trying to turn him into something else and he wouldn't have been essentially driven To do all this stuff and eventually have his life destroyed and then perish as he did and with the pedestal It's literally like well if I accepted my son, I that bomb wouldn't have landed on my face So, um, well, it would probably be more so if I accepted my son this we wouldn't be here in this situation right now Well, even yeah, sure, but even in that moment. It's like if my son He got stuck right because Candlewick shot him when he was going to shoot Pinocchio Then he got tangled up and then that was the thing that made him Okay, I see yeah, if he would if he if he would have Not been aggressive to his son after His son said all those things to him and explained why he was behaving this way And how he was actually being brave by talking to you know, his father this way after all this time Then he wouldn't have gone through with you know I guess that's what I'm saying though is we've got a lot of these really strong parallels that lend lead up to And they're all like different in their own way and then they lead up to a payoff where it's like Uh, he he accepts he accepts Pinocchio when it's too late and then uh through like by virtue of like, you know Pinocchio's actions and heroics and Um, the what was sort of established with like Sebastian and the wish it it essentially enables Gepetto to get what to like to be able to actually sort of live the thing that he uh that he Finally realizes what he wanted and it was through like a acceptance of who Pinocchio was and then of course you've got all the symbolism that like supports that Um, like the fact that the era is gone. He loses that and now it's just like he is very much Just firmly just being this um this wooden toy rather than even remotely trying to emulate like a real person But he is you know, like a real person in the way that he behaves Um And then like the pine cones as well, right? Like the the pine cone being sort of imperfect But that's that's kind of it's that's that's got its charm and its value in its own way It's it's just these sorts of things that like I think really nubs the film Uh Like that work in the film's favor for me I I find that stuff to be quite impressive Um, like I think that's generally tricky and it's something that you only get when you put a lot of planning into your story Oh, yeah, every part of this feels very deliberate I get what you mean though in terms of like aspects that you think could be uh tweaked. It's just that I wonder how much those uh Tweaks are just like flat out changes that like would have some influence on the thematic through lines Uh, I don't think there's any changes that would that would um That would impact the the thematics that wouldn't be able to be tweaked alongside of it. Um Like I think that's yeah, sure. Um, because I wouldn't want to change Like the way that the themes are you know conveyed I think it's just like well, I wouldn't I wouldn't want to change what the themes are Because I think those are really strong I just think that the way that the plot sort of makes those things happen and illustrates those could have been done better in a few parts But sure, um, but I certainly wouldn't want to change anything that Is like a substantial change to what it's trying to say um If I understand you guys just would have liked to have some more time with jepetto and pinocchio After I did actually miss jepetto uh around the I did too. Yeah, there was a point. I was like man It's been a while now Yeah, because we were watching he said whatever happened to and I was like jepetto It just feels like he's gone for a big swath of it. Um In terms of just him not being around because we're doing the whole circus or The the carnival circus and podesta thing. Yeah, like those that's the thing and like I said, uh the Crystal falses character that getting sort of its conclusion felt so like you had you seen and now We need to figure out where it can go. It didn't Look like that like I hate to sound too mean because I think this is a phenomenal film in a lot of ways but that's a little bit embarrassing how they connect the end of podesta's plot line with the end of Uh, the the monkey and the six man. I agree that one's great. Yeah, that was really weak I think we said it yesterday. So it's like, oh, he's just here now. I guess that's it's so weird the way he lands That's where he is. It's just like why? Yeah, the there's plenty of opportunities to have volpe out of just like the sheer hatred for this puppet Following him trying to track him down and punish him with the vengeance like he was beating Uh, kate blanchett earlier on like we need to have him like there there's a reason to have these two meet and yeah, uh That that didn't have to rely on like an incredible coincidental thing occurring I mean you could have just done the volpe stuff before he just gets blatantly shot in the face I guess just have to uh before that maybe Yeah, because it's essentially yeah Sort of put on pause until it gets wrapped up when it could have been like taking care of there. Yeah I didn't expect him to actually come back Uh, maybe we had this scene. I kind of expect him to be dead really like both of them Uh, the monkey and volpe but then just appear there I'm more than happy for them to get their own sort of ending so to speak. It's just that uh, yeah, it could have been smooth Um, yeah Those that's pinocchio Yeah, very very good. Very glad I saw it. Yeah, absolutely both of these watch both of these. Um, I like I preferred, uh Put some boots myself but each one of these has an incredible amount of value and artistry and Just there's so much to enjoy about both of them that I would highly highly highly recommend Everyone sees them both. Um It's always good to get something that has its own style and its own feel and each one of these It just feels so distinct Like it's trying to do its own thing. I mean, you're never gonna like pinocchio. You'll never confuse it with any other movie No, like I I would be shocked if it if you would ever confuse it with anything else. It is so unique and It's it's so one of a kind and and it brings so much of value And you know to you as a viewing experience highly recommend you um watch both of these movies both puts and boots the last wish and uh, Absolutely. Yermo del Toro's Pinocchio, which is how it'll probably be identified for the rest of future is Guillermo del Toro's one. Uh, Yeah, I think his name is in the title Yeah, that's the whole title again about the Toros Uh, pinocchio And generally I don't say this to be mean whatsoever But I watched like I said cabinet curiosity is one of his newest things he introduces each of the anthology stories and Man, he is very big and he's quite old like For a person of that size. I'm just like you motherfucker get your health in order because I want to see more stuff from you. Okay Also, it'd be nice. This is be alive like this movie talks about Yeah, being alive is pretty cool. I really like this movie. Definitely would recommend it Yeah, yeah, and both of yeah, it's weird that we get these two wonderfully stylized wonderfully voice acted visually distinct movies That really kind of touch on similar. Uh, yeah similar Similar messages in ways uh, you know concepts of You know mortality and the value of things and their preciousness and you know good moral lessons mixed in We yeah, we're yeah when it comes to the animated department. We got we got spoiled with these two. These are great Yeah, um, it's funny. Someone just said just watch posted boots on the record. They should have loved it. Thank you. Ifab's just like, oh, yeah Like that's possible That makes sense. Uh, but yes, like I said as was just said both these movies go watch them folks Yes, watch them both Please dude. We need more movies like this reward. Good eye. Oh, yeah I'm very happy to see both of these being celebrated. It's cool God damn. It's so good to get these two after watching avatar two Because avatar in my mind, it's an animated movie in my mind. It just I just that's what I think of it as it essentially is Avatar two is now the fourth ice grossing film of all time beat out false wakens Yeah Yeah That is kind of funny Who knows whether it will beat out titanic though. I think that's next up Uh, and then it would be end game and then after that. So yeah, so funny people have noticed is that uh, uh Zoe Saldana is in four of the top five highest grossing movies of all time And then the the funny tidbit is the in one of them. She's blue and in one of them. She's green That is funny. That is actually also you've got that interview where she's like I feel kind of restrained by being in big budget like films. It's like, yeah, I might too if I were you I hope your agent knows, you know, we could cut you a good deal I'd have to imagine it's the kind of feeling where you might get that I'm you know, maybe not but like it's a bit of the imposter syndrome of like i'm i'm in I'm in that of the that of that and it's like what it's like end game where she's showed up for Not very long. Um Well, yeah, it would be the question how much of this is actually attributable to me versus the ip's that i'm a part of When like niteri like what do I think of her as a character? It's like I can only think about her choice to He'll whatever rate children awful character fucker, um But damn, uh, hey, it's made the bucks. I guess Oh, that sucks It sucks that that movie is so shit. It's making so many billions of dollars. I guess it was uncent It's probably better that than like multiverse of madness, you know, I guess Um, I just want to appreciate this. I just stumbled across it. This is legit Maybe laugh when I saw it in the film this clip Fucking feels Oh, yeah, yeah, this It's just It's so casually done. It's like, well, that's what happens Yeah Check off see I guess you could say that seagull landed on a mark Oh Oh Oh, we did it everybody. We did it You're not the first one to tell that joke rags people were doing it in meadows chat Oh really? I have I haven't seen that one because uh, wait, so those those people in his chat ripped off rags from the future Oh the fuck that is kind of weird. Damn that they would do that. Yeah, it's also just weird Yeah If you want more info on that movie Yeah, yeah, because I haven't seen it yet because that was before I saw the movie So it was funny. I'm pretty sure it was like right out both with puss in boots and Pinocchio I watched them like on the days that your forges were running and I was like Nice Kawinky dinks me too. That is a bit of a coincidence. No Uh, that'll push us over to a film. I was curious to talk about it I don't think it'll be anywhere near as long as the two we just did Two of us haven't watched it. Oh, well, that's fine We've seen it I suppose the first thing we should say is would you recommend it to good old rags and metal fringy? I Not sure. I don't know. Um, and I don't even know if it would be because I'm not I'm not sure. I uh, I'm a little bit I think I'm I'm not I'm not decided on the menu. I haven't quite figured out what I think about it Again, I'm getting visuals ready in the form of a trailer. I should do it. Yeah, sure. Um, sorry Also, I was gonna say I'll go Uh more strict than you. Uh, no, I wouldn't recommend it to rags offering. Yeah, sorry metal, but not because I don't think it's good Um, I just don't I'd probably rather talk to them about the ideas that are present in the film and then we'd watch something else uh I think um the the The word I would use to describe it as it's interesting But whether or not you I that means makes it good or bad like I don't know yet Well, yeah, so if we run with a basic explanation of the the premise And I I want to say it this way because this is how I was introduced to I did not Uh, I think you talked to me about it Fringy But I only remembered a couple of details to the point where it opens with like Nicholas holt and um What's the name of the girl? Anya Taylor joy, uh Preparing to go to a famous like restaurant to eat one of the greatest possible meals Experiences of all time from a world-renowned chef the greatest chef of all time basically it's just like, okay You know as film premises go it's like Sure I can watch people eat the funny thing about all of that is that uh like with banshees of inner shearing I I think I'm more enticed by these premises that are almost um Like like you wouldn't expect it to draw in an audience than the ones that obviously do it was like Man's family is killed and he's gonna Track across country to get revenge on everyone involved and do it today. You're like, yeah Yeah, I could understand why everyone would be interested and then it's like story about two people going to a restaurant to eat food Okay It's almost like a challenge uh to the audience of like would you give a shit to watch this you're like, well Uh, maybe um, but of course there's a lot more than that going on. Um The chef is uh He's up to something everyone is and you get that sense pretty quickly the tone of the film is I was about to say the tone of the film is horror comedy. That doesn't necessarily explain what i'm getting at It's that um right now you're talking about a toner for boating almost something seems a bit of mess Yeah, which is present in all kinds of genres. Um, but there is also just people Are just a little bit tilted as as in terms of how they behave and I feel like I was trying to explain this to rags when I was talking about it before it's really I'm struggling with I need to see more horror comedies to help explain what I'm trying to say But it's like it takes place in a world that is not ours. It's um Everything is slightly strange Everybody's a little weird Yes, um, and so Basically it progresses they eat The kind of shit that you see um and and sort of be like what what is this rich people food thing? Where it's foods we don't quite understand but then You know the characters in universe all appreciate and understand it and then as the film goes on The portions and meals start to get really fucking weird and then Something happens that's that's quite scary Everyone gets put on edge and then you find out that this whole thing is The chef has run out of patience in a lot of ways in life And he's going he's doing all of this as one big almost like an art project Um to make a point with all of his people and I guess I should say Should we say spoilers and then because I kind of want to talk about all of it not not pieces of it Um, so yeah, I don't know if you wanted to see the menu Uh, don't listen to this part of this stream slash video Uh, the plan is to kill everyone not just the the guests having the food But also all of the chefs all the cooks everyone's just gonna die. That's that's how this movie works um, okay so the What's happening in the film? Should I say on the surface is that the chef explains basically he's come to hate his uh, his almost hobby turned profession being cooking Used to once upon a time adore it, but over time it's been destroyed Through all kinds of different things and that this is his grand sort of revenge and final point about like I don't know something of a um a big old realization and representation of what is wrong in the field of of cooking and critique of cooking and experience in cooking and um Me and free have talked a little bit about it, but there's a theory here that it could represent sort of ideas about Film and critics of that but also really just art Aerial just like an act like that that is what it is about that that's the actual Or have we already screwed up by trying to ask that question? I think well, I think it's super applicable to film, but I imagine it has to be applicable to just art in general I thought it was art probably right. It's kind of like, um It's it's it's the ways that people engage with it That is because like the main thing that upsets our rave finds is like how people engage with what he does um to the point that ania teller joey's character is kind of like the She kind of in the end sort of represents her name is dutella No, no, I didn't say that What'd you say? on your tale of joy on you. Okay. Okay carry on. Yeah, um Fucking hell now i've lost my train of thought. Thanks I just want to tell all now I could Do you want to if you want to take it on sure so what the way I want to talk about this film is Summarizing that like I said, he kills everybody, but there's a reason he's brought everyone there On your tale of joy's character is the one person that shouldn't be there And she's only there through what is essentially a fuck-up Um, but well, there's more purpose to it than that, but I'm saying that for the sake of understanding this situation Now each of these people to the chef represent They they personify one significant issue with the consumption of art Um, and that's the part of the film. I kind of just enjoy thinking about that's that's kind of where I'm going with this So the person we're introduced to first is the foodie and the normal person And she's fun in the movie because she is very normal. She sees the food And she's like what the fuck is this and then like when other people are just eating it She's like, I don't even know what am I supposed to like? What do I start with what tools do I fucking use and then like tasting something just like That's just not at all Food, you know, I miss normal people food that sort of thing But he um, Nicholas Holt by the way who every single thing he shows up and he just does a good performance. It's kind of cool um It's funny the first thing I saw him in was skins, which is a UK show, uh, I don't know if anyone chat watched that but it's just cool to see a Smaller level UK show where he popped up in there and I see him now in fucking shit tons of triple-a things He's doing well But yeah, he His whole thing is being like I recognize the uh, you know, you tetzels I recognize the tools you're using I recognize the way that you've cooked it I recognize all these different like ingredients. I know it. I'm taking photos of it. I'm pointing it out I'm asking questions that the questions are more so to show that I know what I'm talking about rather than getting answers I already knows the answers and he's fucking smug He is like thoroughly smug He's the kind of I think quintessential foodie that you're aware of when it comes to these sorts of things You you can totally imagine this person exists and does what they do um his sort of ending in this film As the film progresses he gets uh different payoffs that relate to that all of his dialogue relates to that It becomes quickly obvious that despite the fact that she's his plus one. She's the like girlfriend here He doesn't give a shit about it whatsoever And he actually considers her embarrassing if she ever even like talks at all about this situation because she has nothing really good to say And he's just like stop humiliating me Like this is the best experience ever The interesting thing with this character is we find out that he's the only person there who knew everyone was going to die That's what he was told But that's how much he wanted to experience this that's how much he values it and he considered it a part of The experience that which is a good example I think of there's portions where I think they crossed a line in this film that The tone doesn't work for me and that's that's one of them. It's like he was told everyone was gonna die any okay It's part of a point they're trying to make about him, but in the in the world for me that that doesn't fit really Wait, so this this the smart guy knew what was going to happen and still showed up I don't know. He knew specifically what was going to happen. He just knew everyone was gonna die Okay. Oh, yeah, that's what I mean I mean Yeah, and it was part of the point that the chef wanted to make was that even though he knew that he turns up Because that's how much he believes this is like an important thing to do and stuff um his end comes in Oh, if you want to go for a bit End is like, you know what like Ray finds is like here you go, buddy Here's here's your chef's coat Come into the kitchen cook something and he sort of fumbles his way through it make something and then Ray finds it It's like man. That's that's pretty bad actually Um, it's kind of like for as much as he is obsessed with all of this like he can't do it He's like yeah, um And understands it but like he can't do it Do not understate it. I quite enjoy the scene. It's so everything is so fucking awkward the way they do everything Yeah, like obviously and and By the way, Ray finds this fucking fantastic in the movie. Not that a surprise. He's fantastic and everything But he comes across as a terrifying chef Uh quite quite well and specifically in that scene. He's like, what are you cooking? And he's like, uh You're like, what? What am I supposed to and like anything he suggests he immediately gets it for him And he just says it so bluntly and like he's trying desperately to cook He's just fumbling all over the place stuttering shaking sweating Nothing is like quite right But he still assembles a meal and then uh throughout the movie They've been having this format of preventive presenting sorry the meals And it'll be like this is and it'll be given a name and it'll show the ingredients how it's prepared And then a picture of it that looks really quite glorious sort of thing when he creates his it just says something like this pile of Shit Like undercooked lamb like, you know, yeah undisputed Uh, yeah, he can't and yeah, yeah That's the point is that he fails as much as he talks a big game He thinks he's better than everybody for everything he recognizes the chef has just shown him like you suck your shit You can't achieve anything close to this world that you desperately wish you were a part of um And then he fucking kills himself out of shame basically in guilt. He just hangs himself uh, which is like so Maybe if we go through each of the characters and then we can maybe talk about who they might represent as archetypes in terms of Looking at art He's one of the ones that gets a lot of I'd say understanding But if we move next I guess to a more obvious one. There is a famous critic there. She's well known for all of her work She's her word will like determine whether or not a restaurant can survive She can destroy careers or make them um Because everything she says when she's reviewing things it's very like flowery and uh to be fair She's very good at explaining exactly what she's tasting and what experience she's having um She has like a helper with her who just basically every time he speaks up to disagree with her He'll immediately like concede to her when she says like no, you're wrong uh He's like a kind of character that nobody wants to disagree with everybody wants her appraisal and approval and um I'd say like a sort of mid Payoff is the When they find out they're all going definitely going to die. She compliments one of the chefs on their work and You like discovers that that chef likes is actually struggling with the fact that this woman is Appreciating her when she's just desperately trying to find a way to escape I thought it was interesting like um the chefs even Have some level of like yeah, this is fucking insane and I really did just want appreciation for my work, but uh There's some there's some fun interactions. I guess what I'm getting at but by the end of the film she's um Burned to death a lot of them are burned to death slash exploded Um, I'm trying to think of the other archetypes. I think this would be better if I could see a picture There was uh, there was the guy who was like doing a food show, but seemed pretty like not passionate about it Like you didn't really care that much Um, you talking about John like was armor? Yeah. Oh, well, so he's an actor Oh, right, right and that's again why I wonder about the how this is applicable in lots of things but basically he's a guy who uh, the chef lays out was Uh, no less an artist compared to all of them as cooks But that he saw him in one of his latest movies and he just could tell he had no passion left Didn't care at all. He was just there to pick up the paycheck Um, and I think he even says that as a defense of it Uh Which you know again, we can make that become clearer in a sec There were those business guys like the rich guys who were just sort of like It seemed like it was they were more so there just because it's like this is the thing that you do Yeah, this thing like any we own this technically Because the person who pays us pays you and you know, you don't you don't want anything bad happen Yeah, there's that one and then there's um a couple who have come here Time and time again, but that they don't really have much to say At all or remember Um, his mum is there as well And she spends the entire film simply drinking wide that's all she does Uh, I think that is that covering everybody and then that leaves you with arna Taylor joy's character Who is like the normal person who by the end of all of this absurdity is just like Can I like have a cheeseburger, please just like and I know like bullshit either just give me like a cheeseburger Oh, I think there's more to that as a payoff. Um, the we could probably yeah, sure So yeah, that's the end point. I was always as yeah Well, yeah to kind of so with with those explanations like so what what is going on It's like well, I think the film is saying that these are many if not I mean it probably covers a shit turn not all but These are the many ways art dies. Um, yeah Yeah And so like if we take uh in the order that we were kind of explaining them the first one the foodie type guy I think he if we were to transpose this to the realities way more familiar with He's like the video essayists we cover who think they know fucking everything about film and then when they uh Like they can reference every filmmaker's films. They can reference every form of technique I can talk about what was it verisimilitude and all that shit They can um, they can yeah talk about every single thing that goes into it and everything that that person did But when it comes time to make their own thing, it kind of sucks And it's almost like mystifying as to why they can just never quite get there and it's because yeah, they There's no passion for the actual creation. It's a passion to be That thing and he even says to him like you want my life. It's not that you want To like create is that you just want me you want to be me and uh Once he tells me that after you National up the craft that will propel you to do the work and necessary to become really good at uh at something And he's he's absolutely shattered by that realization and like said fucking kills himself. It's pretty rough Uh, but the yeah, so that's an aspect of how it's it's not about the creation It's about almost the prestige. Uh, you just want to you want to have that And uh, yeah, let's always say to efab. Don't worry. We're coming up. We're not that one We're coming up. Yeah Well, funnily enough, I think I said the the critic was uh, the second one I tried to explain So what is her problem? And it's like well, he explains to her the part of his issue with her is that she can at a whim destroy and raise anything Based on just the feelings of the day and that kind of power is absolutely insane as well as um, she'll like overpower anybody in terms of Like any experience she has is going to trump everyone else's And so and she can explain thoroughly and accurately and supportedly with everything And so she's like just this powerhouse That can just slaughter her away through all these different artists and destroy their lives if she's not careful Um, a lot of what she the power she has can damage so much of what could be created as a result of and she doesn't give a Shit, she's just like whatever I'm telling the truth. I'm I'm speaking out for what I experienced and I think that's the closest to us out of all of them The we um, we can do extensive sort of breakdowns and explain things as best we can But that um, it can it can have damage in different directions. It can raise up a film. We'll destroy it depending on Just how much we give it, but I simultaneously it's uh She's like hated for it and we are thoroughly hated by many people Oh, yeah, plenty people hate us. I hate our guts Um, at the same time like these are these are things that you know It's like the worst version of all of these types of I guess archetypes Next there's nothing wrong with somebody breaking down in the same way that it's nothing wrong with somebody who isn't a chef Having an appreciation for the for for what people do right for what chefs do It's kind of like all of these things taken to the furthest extent To where it begins to destroy like the uh, the core which is that people want it You know people want to eat to eat something that is nice and makes them feel good And broadly right people want to consume art that makes them feel something Not necessarily good, but gives them an experience that's valuable And like each of the ways that they approach it kind of strips away that core I'm just I want to be entertained in the case of like, you know What on your tail of joy's character says right? I just want to have like a meal that I like yes, yeah, because This is this is why I kind of have a lot to appreciate about the film because I kind of like Thinking about all these things because next up is John like was on his character Which is like a kind of a washed up actor, but he's still got a lot of fame and you you can tell he's a bit insecure about that Like he wants to make sure that fame is still there But he'll openly say like I hate it when people recognize me. Yeah, it sucks. But at the same time, he's like, oh, you know me Yeah um But like I think the aspect with him is that you know The chef sees a fellow artist But one that just doesn't give a shit to create art anymore is only in it for the other sort of material benefits Which sucks because when you have people who are I think you can easily sort of Allegorize that's probably not a word this into actors In well any any artist that's performing for the sake of performing Not actually anything else and they don't care and there's no passion And so what they're creating results in like shit art basically um The chef explains that he went to see his film and it was like the single worst experience of entire life He there was like the worst day ever and he fucking hated it and I was almost just like I am okay And it's it's funny Because a lot of the time we can say that like the either the director or the writer or even the actor like They just didn't give a shit and it made something so fucking unappealing to to consume as in the form of a film But like I said it applies to all art forms. I think or does the opposite like jet lee Um, it creates an incredible experience at moulard. Yeah, that was hilarious Uh, but I guess if we would if we was so obsessed with the integrity of art That would be like jelly. What the fuck you doing, man. Of course. Yeah, okay Um, yeah, you have that then uh, the lads that kind of pull the money card and that they're there because they kind of feel like They own the place almost and that it's all that's absolutely no appreciation for the craft. Yeah, it's just money It's all money. Yeah, everything about it, which that seems And then you see examples, right? They're presented with something that they went there to go get right this weird sort of artsy food experience and they're like No, fuck you like give me what I want. Yeah It's kind of like representative of almost like that entitled perspective on art of like, you know Give me exactly what I want rather than the thing that I knew that I was sort of coming here for Although I should have known if I gave more of a shit That kind of attitude of just like a lack of appreciation for art And so, um, I guess I pretty straightforward but similarly like money ruining art is is obviously a Not hard to understand it the funny thing being of course that as is explained It's money that got him all of the resources to be able to create this in the first place But it is now something that just hangs over him and it It's like a clamp on the art um Who was next out of us? You have the couple who have gone there many times but have never taken in the experience If you imagine people watching movies, it's like they've seen it They viewed it with their eyes, but they haven't really watched it or taken it in and it's just like a thing Which we come across like you know all the time all the time like the people who watch a movie But actually just having on the side monitor and just do something else That's No, no, no, no, no, I think I think you're taking it you're taking a bit in the wrong direction there, right? It's more so like You imagine people because in this case it's like they've gone there many times But he couldn't tell you a single thing about like any of those experiences They just sort of came and went like he wasn't really It the art was just totally lost. They do it because it's a thing to do you are to do that That was a thing people do kind of in the same way Like it's a thing to go watch movies But like you couldn't say a single thing about him or it's a thing to go to the art gallery But you couldn't tell me a single thing about what you saw. You just kind of like passing time You're not really you're really making it. It's not a and it's not really like it's not out of like a disrespect It's just sort of a narrow focus. They're like very Yeah, kind of because they have happened like their marriage is not good I believe he cheated on his wife. Like they don't have a good relationship It's a very sort of insular sort of a set of characters mainly the guy Um And then with that it kind of leads to on your tale of joy who it just sort of cuts through the bush It's like I want food. She's a normal person and none of this makes any sense to her. She just wants to go home It's it's crazy. Um, but again to set up the sort of how it comes around to an ending He sees her and throughout the film. He keeps trying to talk to her because he's like you're not You know subtextually, you're not someone who fucking destroys art. You're just a normal person So why are you here? Like what's why would I kill you sort of thing? and um He offers her to become like the chef side of things like she can die Similarly as everyone was going to anyway, but she can die as one of the creators instead of one of the parasites sort of thing um And she's not interested basically at all. No. Yeah, she obviously she's gonna fucking die Yeah, yeah, which I appreciate the maintaining right it doesn't they don't make her crazy at any point in the movie She's she's the most normal which I think is deliberate Um, but he gives her a job at one point to sort of solidify her as a chef and during it, um I'm not going to include everything because obviously we're not doing a full breakdown But uh, she does find an old image and it's basically his room the chef's room And she finds like basically evidence of where he started and how he came to get to where he is And there's an image of him flipping burgers at a I guess mcdonald's or whatever And he's like smiling And I think the implication of course is that he had a very humble beginnings and even back in a fucking mcdonald's He was much more happy making food there than he is now Yeah, and so she Realizing that uh asks tells him basically that all the food he served tonight Or rather Yeah, and that it's not made with love It's made with like scorn and and empty hollow just it's bullshit. None of it's real She wants something real and he's just like what the fuck would you want then and she orders a hamburger And they do this sequence of him making the hamburger and it's just so like It's art And then I think she takes it and it's like, yeah, that's really good Uh, can I get it to go like can I get it taken away? He's like, yeah, you know what you can Yeah, you can tell that's the moment where he's like fine. I'll spare you Yeah, you're allowed to leave. Well, and why because she's appreciating the art Yep I'm appreciating that in a really straightforward and simple way, which is like that made me feel good, which is what I wanted Yeah, um, which isn't compared to everybody else's approach to it like oh look at the way that he infused like the fucking, you know like the the spices into this like weird dish or something or uh The guys who just don't give a shit like about what's happening It's in the trailer and it gets brought up but like nicole's holt's character He keeps taking photos of the food just to show people he's having it and it's just like for fuck's sake Like it eat the god damn. Yeah, just have the experience instead of just letting everyone know you're having the experience that's And and again stuff like that and it's like I do like this film a lot But it's a um, it's more so for the conversation piece than the film itself It's like yeah, that's because in terms of the thing itself It's like the characters act in ways that can be a little strange. They're not very interested in saving their own lives Um, of course the fact that it needs like several of these characters to sort of behave in a way That's really weird and abnormal They lampshaded he's like if all of you had decided to try and get out of here You would have been successful It's like I guess that they're trying to say like yeah, but they were too scared or just like I don't believe it when you've got like four or five relatively like in their prime men And your enemies are what a bunch of chefs like yeah, there's gonna be a big fight that breaks out. That's what's gonna happen Yeah, be fair. It's a horror comedy. Well, we know that but the the point would be like that First that's irrelevant Doesn't really matter It's more so that I think moeller and I agreed that we think the film would have benefited more from being a strict horror Rather than horror comedy. I don't think I don't think it balances the tone well all the time Sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't You know like the whole reveal of nicolas horton knowing that we're all gonna die and he still came here And he still brought her knowing that and it's like, oh my god It's like the point the film was trying to make is like that's how fucking obsessed he is with getting this foodie experience And I'm just sitting there like I think you nailed it without that I don't think you needed that that just makes it more absurd and it's like, yeah, but it's a horror comedy and it's like Uh-huh Yeah, but I I agree like the thing that I find most interesting about the film is that meta aspect of like delving into This is about art isn't it broadly like in general and because this is a film and your film makers It's probably about film criticism in particular Very likely to be yeah And it's it's uh, it's interesting to look at especially especially if you watch it and you see aspects of yourself and uh in um, some of the some of the people Was it part of I've said yeah Before the part of why there's a lot of things I don't end up seeing is because I can't like machine gun watch films or play games or read books or whatever I can't because I need to process when I watch a film a lot of the time Um, yeah, I might decide I need to watch it more than once before I can properly Exactly what happened, especially if I'm going to be breaking it down But um, it's just like I can't watch loads in a row and I it Scrambles my brain almost and I just feel like I think about stuff like that and I'm like, oh That's kind of what that the the husband and wife character where they just they're just doing it Because it's you do it, but they they don't even remember it Like that's really interesting to think about because I just the characters and what they represent I feel like proper proper everywhere like in terms of just life and how industries and how we enjoy everything and Or sometimes don't um And I just like the idea that yes the the villain so to speak is an artist Who is just so fucking tired with how the whole industry has fallen apart because it's just destroyed by all of these people who Really have no place consuming the art in the first place Yet here they are Um Yeah, and I kind of think it's neat for for all of that. Um, and I appreciate that Really good and cinematography and everything is really yeah, and It's it's uh, it's an experience the film. It's it's very unique. It's kind of cool that it's made If anything that's part of why I wanted to talk about it. I was like, I wouldn't mind more of this instead of You know We'll see because like what we just went through in terms of talking about it We don't have to see the film for that Which it sounds kind of mean, but it's like well, this is the problem I like your subtext more than I like your text Yes, I Yeah, that's that's more or less the takeaway with the film Um the actual like story on its surface is like But what it means is super interesting. Yeah uh Because I'm trying to think of if there's if you better explain it But it's just the the characters throughout the story Have many opportunities to do all kinds of things and sort of don't a lot of their reactions are like What that's that's what they thought of that. Okay, I guess And then you feel like oh, is it because that better suits what point you want to make and it's like Fine, I guess. Yeah, I would say a lot of the time Um, someone said it's a better glass onion than glass onion. I don't even know how this connects with glass onion And necessarily So knives out and I think it's just because it's an ensemble movie I think that might legitimately be the only reason because they're not the same film Well, if anyone was curious of our answer on that I was like, yeah, this is this is definitely better than What? Yeah, I wouldn't surprise you at all probably but yeah Not as a longer breakdown as the other two but the menu If you're interested by what we've talked about then I guess you go check it out But like I said, I wouldn't recommend this for like metal and rags for example as opposed to there's so many other things I'd rather them see before this Yeah, a lot of the time that's how I feel about a lot of recommendations that are really kind of Tepid to wavering. I'm like, man, I feel like there's films that are just amazing. I could have watched instead Um, I was amused as well by the uh The choice that they've made because I have to imagine they probably found out what they needed to know about like high class You know a high-brow food Because like, uh, one of the courses is like dipping sauces, but no bread Yeah Yeah, one of the courses is like, uh, I think he describes it as like a miniature ecosystem of the island and like the center of the plate is just a big rock You know, you're supposed to not eat that part. I guess it's just stuff like that. I was having fun with that I paid for the rock. I'm gonna eat the rock. You cannot stop me And I think that's the almost surface level format that I think works as the whole like you're familiar with this audience You know this stuff, right? You've seen crazy sort of high-brow foods and then the movie Starts with that and then moves into like here's our next food made by this chef chef walks up and he's like called the mess like this chef Uh constructed above all but he'll never be As good as he wants to be and that'll haunt him forever. Isn't that true? He's like, yes that he's like right then off you go and he just pulls out a gun and shoots himself in the head Oh, okay And you know half the characters are screaming someone looking for exits and then one of them is just like laughing because they're like This is great. This is all a part of the the show It's like, you know, it's a fun movie to watch on wrap I'm pretty sure that um, Nicholas who was just still eating the food like yeah, man, you got to try this like tartar Like the way He just doesn't care at all Um, yeah, menu. I don't know. Is anything else menu You wanted to mention about it. We basically that's like the main thing I find interesting about the film is like how you can apply it to film criticism and art criticism in general It's especially relevant considering what we do on eFap. I'd say so People that we encounter in our adventures through the eFap land I would say yeah, uh, for even from what we've said you guys could probably picture like how a lot of people we've covered Apply to these different people Well, I mean, yeah the video I said Like yeah, that one's it's really hard not to see that it's like oh my god when I was looking at the film, uh, the The critic who was like breaking things down in a way that was like very thorough But maybe in a way that's a little bit like it's kind of hard to even talk to that person's like Yeah, look, all right. I get it. Okay. I understand. Well, yeah, they I'd say that part of her problem that they make clear Is that she's got a huge ego and that um the guy with her every single time he even presents an alternative opinion She's like aggressively like no, you're wrong. Yeah, and then he's just like, okay. Yep. That's fine And then it's like we did what's the point even talking, right? Yeah, um, but you know, you still feel a sense of like People man, like they're still people The little cartoon is sure but you know, it's uh, the whole thing is it's a rough situation By the way, the final way that like everyone dies is that they dress up as like s'mores and then they're all set on fire and then Meanwhile on a tell on your teller joys on the boat eating the burger because she gets to escape Yeah, and but the other part of reason I brought up is just it's just funny I don't want to show you that out of context his speech about how much he fucking hates s'mores And he considers it like the most degraded and worst form of food art that ever existed It's just kind of funny They didn't do anything wrong Oh, yeah, and see this is kind of an example of something that pulled me out as well. Actually, um So what do you think about john leguizamo's assistant? So she there's no reason at all to go after her and I think the film's even aware of that She's she like makes a case for how she shouldn't be there And then the chef is like where did you go to university? And she says brown and then he says do you have any student loans and she says no and then he goes. Yeah, you're dead What and I guess the idea is that she's too privileged I'm not sure Okay, but um that that that's another moment of the comedy part of the horror comedy The for me I was just like okay financial decisions That that happens. Maybe we can just you know, I don't know Whatever Someone said she's lying if there's an interpretation that makes more sense. I wasn't sure what the point of that was I thought that the idea maybe was that it's It's very rare for anyone to be able to pay off any of their student loans when they go through something like that And the the fact that she can brown brown's pretty like that's ivy leg runs. That's probably really expensive Yeah, I think I think brown the tuition. What is the tuition at brown? Apparently in one year is like 50 60 thousand dollars That's where they learn you're good Nash We gonna learn you good here Well, you know what is topic number four is a brief chat About our experiences with the dead space remake just first impression And then next week you're gonna get a deep dive from us. All right. Whoa. It's right So, um, well the question is it's really great Yeah, I mean, what should we say as a preamble like there's there's obviously been concerns about this It's funny how Callisto protocol having a botched launch made people even more worried for this when they're completely disconnected Yeah, maybe a little story time For people who might be wondering why I'm not streaming this like I said I would this whole time So I'll tweet by the way No Carry on Oh, okay. I got you. Yeah. So basically it was like, all right. I got the dead space No, ready to go play to og. I'm I'm in for it. I'm looking forward to this and uh I was like, okay, let's put this shit up I'm gonna start it's like, oh those frames don't look so good. That's that's not good And then I look at my at my task manager. It's like, hmm a task manager is not really helpful It says that it's using nothing of my gpu, but I hear my gpu working very hard over there So I got the hw monitor. It's like, yeah, I'm using all my power Mr. Muthel, please help me. By the way, there's no chance of any resources to stream this It's like, oh, that's not good Finally been forced into the modern arena Is your so yeah, so I was thinking like, okay, what do I do? Do I refund it get the playstation version and then pay 80 bucks for it instead of this is like, uh, what I'm gonna do There are started things like man. I'm gonna I'm planning to cover a bunch of games this year uh So yeah, basically I bought a new gpu for 600 bucks 6800 Just to prevent that from happening again. So that's that's gonna that's gonna come around on monday I'm gonna install it and then I'll get some streaming going again. So this game already forced me to Embrace modernity Good and yeah, I'm I'm I'm Doing my upgrade way earlier. Obviously it's not the full upgrade. I'm only getting a gpu But well it had to happen at some point And yeah, you'll uh, you'll be glad you did as we all feel when we upgrade our computers It could be a pain in the ass at the time, but man when you look back you're like, oh man, I think This this new well, you know, oh boy. Well the thing is normally My thought process was oh, I don't really want to pay the money now It's normally when I build a new pc. I was like excited to Pick all the parts and then build it and everything because I built my I built the bc's myself Uh, but this I was like, oh fuck now. I need to actually spend that money I don't really want to the prices are so horrendous still but Well, it's an investment in the channel. So there we go. I did it That's what people are asking. I got an amd 6800 Which is basically just below The 3080 for reference. I guess. Oh good. Uh, yeah, so I I had a 1080 So I'm up and running on the 70 old gpu. It's a massive upgrade. Yeah, that's quite an upgrade Yeah, but 1080 has served me very well Like this is the first game that actually brought me to my knees in terms of streaming and yeah cards can last a long time You say that because yeah, I got a 1080 ti and I'm struggling. Um, yeah But I think it might be more of a bottle a cpu thing actually in my case It might some people were saying that it's a bit, uh, it you know, it's It can be taxing on cpus and I'm not sure if that's uh, if that's a setting thing or something like that Or if the game is just, you know, we're you getting to that point Or if it's just my that well optimized. I'm not I'm just not sure what the Well, it was just when I was when I wasn't streaming it was running pretty well. It was when I was uh streaming that it was I can run it. It's okay offline it dips below 60 fps In some places But it's it's bearable offline, but obviously there's a reason for the encoder to actually do a stream So I was getting lag spikes whenever I had like an in-game cutscene moment Wherever he like attaches a thing or something it would like freeze for a second and then come back There's a little bit of stuttering. I'm noticing in areas where I think it's loading new stuff. That's what I've noticed Well, it's it's actually kind of weird because it still has these shader buffers So sometimes even though it loads all the shaders in the beginning So I don't actually know what's going on with that that actually might need a patch And this is more relevant than you may think humble viewers the launch of a game's performance is so fucking important Look at Callisto protocol. Look at what happened to Callisto. Yeah This runs through also just I just saw some which had what my cell power supply is. I have a 750 watts power supply I checked everything beforehand. Uh, I'm I'm fine. I'm fine, but thanks for reminding me people have been reminding me, but I have an IT background. I'm I know since a photo of his tower and it's just like a giant sword through it And he's like, I don't know what it is. It's just something's wrong Something's all right, but yeah, no, I appreciate it. But yeah, I'm I got also I have a monk to ask things about for sanity checks Oh, you're on a monk. Wow a monk. Yeah, I don't think they got involved in PCs, but there you are One of this to like overshadow, I suppose the game itself It's just sort of the tangent. We kind of begun No, it plays right into just saying it put it's its performance is really strong I'm seeing a lot of people just say thumbs up in terms of it's playing well Uh, which is a good sign, of course I imagine the console versions are pristine I haven't heard about them. Yeah I have no idea what's going on with the console versions. Uh Positively or negatively No word on the negative levels of performance is good like I've not really seen anyone complaining about it Well, that's probably a good place to start. I've just seen loads of praise for this game Shit tons Yes, um I've got about I think I'm about seven hours in I tried to play it a decent amount before today so I would have at least some some things to say about it and For those I I think we started With this but my experience with dead space is quite thorough The first and second dead space I played a lot a lot a lot I have all the achievements on the xbox 360 as I've mentioned Um, I've played them over many many times They're games that I really enjoyed They're games that are very satisfying to be good at and to do better and better as you play I I like the gameplay. I love the setting. I love all the weapons and how you fight the enemies and their variety There's a lot to like about dead space and you know, even the third, you know, it's not bad um but uh Boy before this came out this remake Oh, I'm you know me especially nowadays. I'm super worried. You know, how are they gonna botch it? How are they gonna ruin it? How's it gonna suck? But after seven hours, I am very pleased with this game. Nice. It looks It looks gorgeous. Oh, yes. I'm playing on 1440p Ultra everything um I mean and it looks just so damn good not represented by what you see on screen This is a chewed up bit race thing. Don't don't even think for a second that this represents the game Yeah, trust it I've been doing trust me man. Oh, it looks gorgeous. Yeah, I've also been playing on 1080 and goddamn That was a that was a good-looking game. That was a really good-looking game. It has incredible lighting Yeah, the lion makes a huge difference great It really does that the entire vibe that you get from this game when the lighting is as it it you know, I Realistic lighting is its own phrase But it's very very immersive lighting. Um, the dark when it's dark. It is dark. Uh, when it's exactly black It is pitch black. Uh, when you shine, light your flashlight to see When when lights are shining they cast shadows Um, when things are glowing, you know, they have those ambient colors around them. Uh, there's it does so much for the atmosphere and I'm kind of I've kind of thought about this as I was playing the remake. I'm thinking I personally am not as scared by the remake as I was the original And I wondered well, is that because of the remake and how it's made or is it because A number of years have passed between the original and now and I'm just older and braver I don't know. I have no clue I was gonna say my familiarity with Dead Spice and IP has made it so that I've like crushed its ability to scare me Beyond jump scares now, I think Yeah, well what I was me what I was going for was the idea that I think that because we were talking about, you know The graphics and the lighting I think the lighting being as it is adds a lot to the tension And it contributes so much to this atmosphere of a terror That the original game just I don't think it has much Especially now because it's just I adore Dead Space one I adore the original but it's looking a bit long in the tooth in some areas. It doesn't look bad But it definitely it's it's a night and day difference. Yeah, not to be mean But there are some levels the way they're lit is kind of like what the fuck is flat Yeah, it's really flat and and the ishimora is a bunch of gray hallways and boxes But in this version the ship itself just feels so It it feels so different and yet it feels the same Which is a lot of what I feel about being connected area though that you actually can walk between places Like it's not just the tram station There's there are gravity sections like little hallways and passages that connect you to different places Contributes to the sense that this is a whole ship There are a million spots there are new spots. It is something that I thought about because of the The tram station because we actually get to walk through basically everything and I guess it's going to stay that way You can just walk if you want to instead of using the tram station It just some extent sometimes you need to use the tram to get to different places Yeah, no what I'm trying to say is doesn't that make it feel the ship a bit smaller actually? No, I don't think so It's that's the thing I just thought about because you Because you can't imagine the in a way you can and in a way you can't If you go from mining to the bridge, which is the longest stretch the tram can travel It physically takes it longer for it to go the distance I know I know it's actually just a loading screen But it creates the idea that you're actually traveling a long way on a tram Whereas if you went from one area to an adjacent area it'd be a lot shorter I don't know to me. I guess I haven't really thought about it I don't think the ship feels smaller Because there are some sequences where you go outside in the way that it looks that Sort of play up the scale of the ship. I think a decent zero gravity one when you use zero gravity to get down to uh Get down to engineering. Yes, or to get down to fix the thrusters for the ship. It's like you have to fly through So cool. I've just gone back to the hangar Brewing up flying across the ishimora together I guess the reason why I came I just thought about it is because you just kind of imagine how long you go with the tram station because it's like a Yeah, I think so and this one is just like yeah, you go there And even if you use the tram you just stand there you can even move around in the tram It doesn't take very long There was just kind of my my thinking there. They're just had yeah I'm I mean the game looks great and it's not just a matter of the lighting The lighting is a huge part of what makes this game look modern and A huge element of its improvements over the original But it's a lot of the props It's that rooms are full of stuff little boxes binders bins mops ladders buckets And it can all pick them up with kinesis as well Yeah, it's just full of stuff that a thousand people worked on it feels like a ship and and you can and if it was like a Place that we're not to again. I'm not not to denigrate the ishimore in the original. I think they did a pretty good job It's just like with the new technology. There's a lot of things that they could do That just would have been like not practical before Yeah, there's more there's just more stuff laying around. There's more um side missions, man Like there's yeah side missions to do heaps of text logs There's a detail I saw today and I I didn't Check it in the original so this might be there as well There's an audio log that plays where someone is ripping out his teeth in like a bathroom And if you go in the bathroom, you see the pliers the big ones and teeth in the sink that he hit You see a lot of the stories that are playing out like it's it's uh in each section like an each chapter you often are following I'm up to chapter four at this point. Um Like, you know, these sort of ongoing stories with individual uh people on the ship that you kind of get Making on as you go. Yeah, um, it's pretty cool Yeah, there is environmental stellar talent. It's pretty great The my gripes for the game are pretty minor uh to the point where I won't even really get into them now at all We can talk about them later. Uh overall it feels Like I said new and familiar at the same time. This is undoubtedly a dead space game there's no mistaking it as a remake of dead space one but because of the way it looks because of the changes and adjustments that they've made to the combat because of Um, just like it feels like a modern game to play You're never mistaking it for the original. It feels like How a remake I don't want to say should be done But I'm extremely happy with the direction they've chosen It I think Fringy you had mentioned that this game feels like what the original would have been if they'd made it today Yeah, if the original team had made it now the impression I get is that the team that made this Even you know only a quarter of the way through the game have a lot a lot of love for the game They have yes made we're very considered in terms of making challenges This is made by people who love dead space Yeah, and I mean of course like even this early on Isaac talking is obviously like an improvement He like he he actually going through he'll be like There's a problem when we need to fix it like because he'll identify them because the conversations run smoother They just do they run He talks when he's getting talk. Well, I say I say the conversations run smoother. There's conversations There are conversations between him and the crew And Isaac doesn't even talk that much No, not a whole lot. No, um, and of course during during our gameplay he doesn't run around Yeah, no, it's just silent. It's it's it's only like the conversations are already present and him actually Chiming in and like when Kendra and uh ham into fighting us like knock it off like we got to fix this problem We got to solve it like I said, you know the Nicole stuff right that's going to be developed more and more as it goes I remember which stream it was on but just the I saw the the I quote tweeted the twitter account Talking about a bit basically they they were like dead space remake is going to be a victim of the same modern Sensibilities that uh a lot of gaming has where they just have characters that never shut the fuck up And it's going to ruin the atmosphere the evidence for this was a conversation that is in the the original That they were shown in like one of the trailers except the difference being of course that Isaac was responding And like the difference being oh, there's a blockade You may need to build a thing out of a shock pad or whatever from ham and while this time it's it's Isaac that says like Oh, I'll I'll need to build this to break through here, which is just like what is wrong with this And he's the engineer. He would know these certain. Yeah, and and the crazy part of course is like Oh, yeah, they'll never stop talking. They were treating this as though We were gonna have some fucking comic relief characters just with us the whole time being like, hello This is an awkward situation Um, what is like are you gonna kill the ball Isaac? Isaac, what are you doing? No, actually they are monsters fire away You're morally in the clear Isaac I'm I'm I'm annoyed with the discussion right now I'm seeing a lot of sentiment get around of like, oh, I miss silent protagonists and all I can think is Were you upset when jack started talking in jack two? Did you consider it worse when he could talk to daxter and like provide insights and perspectives on the situation? Nobody can play with dead space. Yeah, no, that was the question the account got asked people like Do you hate dead space too there then the response was we'll know because he doesn't he does shut up in dead space too as if There's not incredibly long stretches of time in the dead space original and remake where he doesn't say fucking anything It's just gameplay exactly It was one of the most bizarre like trying to bank on I really it's like it's like coming back to the menu. It's like give your own fucking opinions care about this So that you can actually come up with things to say instead of just saying what everyone else says about other things Well, the problem is it's just the force spoken stuff, right? It's like, ah the dialogue's cringe You know what that's just winds fault and also it's better when character It's like Joss, we ruined dead space Yeah It's just over there as well as force spoken. What what's happening? The reality is that the actual complaint is you don't like the dialogue when it sucks If it's good and interesting and funny, then you like it and you even tolerate it and enjoy it in gameplay It's only when it's bad that you don't like it. Obviously Yeah, yeah, you don't have to make these weird connections from someone There's a way way over there disconnected from this whole conversation Well, what's just Why are we why are we forgetting about all of the like silent protagonists? Definitely have a place like there's definitely a world where they can be good in a story But like so people talking Like actually people do that Doesn't have any respect. Yeah, really jack not talk in the bio shot campaign even though he has a voice He doesn't talk at all. No he doesn't speak He's talking right at the beginning right where he said he has a comment As an example Modern warfare soap doesn't talk and then in modern warfare 2 he talks until you play as him Then he doesn't talk anymore That's right Like if they remade bio shock and they had it so that jack responds to like tenon balm and others I'd just be like, that's fine. That's so Yeah, he's a human being that has perspectives and things to say in opinions And it's the same with characters talking in gameplay because it's I know it's something that uh Gaming brick pointed out and there's a ration and clank review in the original game The characters will talk to each other in cutscenes, but when there's gameplay, there's no talking It's just gameplay Whereas in the new one the remake they just talk all the time and it never ends That's like, yeah, but the main thing is it's not funny. Like that's that's the big problem It's not that they won't stop talking. It's that what they're saying is very interesting You brought it up before but like, you know, why do people like mamea? It's like, well, he says interesting funny things Exactly. Meanwhile people don't like forespoken. It's like what's because the characters probably aren't saying anything that's very interesting or funny Yeah, it's pretty simple. So yeah, it's it's the um, it's we felt this way for the protagonist of amnesia rebirth I hate her Wow, oh, yeah, Ethan Winters, right? He only had a stupid thing to do Fucking awful shit to her character That's big. I'm a stable beam. It's dark. It's just oh Everybody likes here and mamea when he's is like this reminds me of this It's tail, but I heard it my youth. It's like, oh, yes, mamea so much so that I'll just stop the boat and listen to Absolutely Dude, there are fucking youtube shorts of just everything that is said in that game that'll go viral like like Hey, brother, perhaps next time a stealthy approach. He's just like, no I want us to have better conversations and in the case of like in the case of dead space It's like well isaac having something to say in this situation Unless the dialogue was absolutely terrible, which so far it hasn't been I've actually been pretty happy with it so far All right Like it only stands to provide us more on who he is how he feels about these situations And what he needs to do to solve these problems and especially if we want to actually like develop the whole thing with nicole Having him talk and say things about her Like when he thinks that he's found her or you know when he finds things relating to her when people ask him about her It's just like that's just going to further develop their relationship Which by the way the side mission's having like a whole bunch of our Information on on nicole and everything that she was getting up to as the ship was falling apart. It's like Ask good Yeah, because it's just like we get we get more insight and so like what happened with her on the ishimura Leading up to that, you know that final recording that he received Um, so so when I was gonna bring up, I guess there's a little bit more Matter and maybe we will or will not talk about it next week But um, what do you think the consequences of this game being well loved and well received are gonna be exactly Dead space for fingers crossed. We get a good dead space for You guys definitely go with that timeline because a lot of people speculate like there's space to remake I think that I think that what this game will have is what metroid samus returns had Where it's like you did a really good job remaking to now go make a new game Um, I think it will be the same thing here that this has been well received It seems like there's a lot of hype. So hopefully it sells well Um, and then I imagine that they'll just be like we don't need to wait someone And I feel like two is modern enough So I just wanted to on record right because like some people say like two doesn't need a rebates like Okay, so I think one is fucking excellent. Yeah, one's really. Oh, yeah, amazing Um, it would I think it's what's a matter of what Is is this like a proof that they can make a dead space game? I think well the consequence of that Throw your hat in with like dead space two or no, you know what now you get an opportunity to make something totally new Do you think maybe that they can sit a dead space to remake to be a more reliable thing to produce and sell versus a dead space for Maybe I think the dead space four would be something that would be considered more reliable. Actually I would jump on the dead space for no. Oh, I think I would do is just the I'm gonna I'm gonna compare it against the the uh mercury steam and with our metroid It's like what seems like a better idea Doing like a remake of metroid fusion, which I think was what was speculated by a lot of people or making a new metroid It's like, I don't know man new is like people like new Of like something that they you know like already I think well, maybe I'm a way to prove your point would be what sells better the resin evil remakes or the resin evil current iteration I think we're at an evil. I'm not sure actually I think eight sold better than the remakes because if that that'd be a way to prove Maybe the they should commit to a dead space for well If you wanted to if you want to do dead space for the challenges, how do we wind back the stakes from what we had in three That's kind of tricky Whereas it might be easier if you remake two and then you just remake three but make it totally different Right, like you try to keep it more in in line with what dead space one and kind of to a lesser extent too we're trying to be Because I'm wondering I I'd love to listen to what they have to say now as developers slash whoever's going to be making these decisions, I guess but the Remaking to and even tweaking the plot lines so that they could then make a dead space three that isn't Dead space. Yeah, just almost trying to into a reboot series instead of trading it like a remake It's like, you know what actually this will be a reboot. Yeah, I could see that being an idea It's yeah, I can see him go in a number of directions. I think it's more likely they'd make a four instead of two um I also think it's not unreasonable that they would make a dead space game that just isn't about isa clark Because the universe owes itself very well to telling all kinds of different stories and being in all sorts of different places um So i'm not sure they have a lot of options Do you think though that they think of isa clark as like a necessary component to sell the game as well? They might yeah, I think that's not unreasonable at all Which is why I think a dead space four is the most likely thing and it's kind of what I hope they do I hope that we get like the series like wrapped up proper You know, I want to see what they would do like if they take it from here And some of the choices that they've made in terms of changes like um something that we'll probably talk about a bit more Like just the simple idea of here's a control panel There are three options, but you only there are three possibilities, but you only have two Uh, well, I think you should frame it a bit more clearly I think a lot of people might not know what you're talking about You're like moving through an area and then you reach a control panel that redirects power Yeah in the remake it wasn't in the original and it like redirects power and so it might be like there is a Critical thing that I need power for in order to complete my objective But in order to do that I need to either choose to remove power to the lighting system or the air support system That's the one that I encountered and that's like that's just like a great idea Are presenting the player with a choice of what is the handicap? Like what what is the problem that you want to deal with here? Do you want to deal with not being able to see or do you want to deal with not being able to breathe? And players will make different choices based on what personally scares them But also those choices will change depending on the resources that they have at their disposal Like maybe if you have lots of armor, you'd rather make one choice than the other Or maybe if you feel confident like that, you know the lay of the land well enough Like it's just that's just a cool new thing that they tried That I think is really neat and it would be interesting to see what other sorts of decisions they would make if they If instead of on the issue more or we went back to a space station like the sprawl, you know Or uh or like a colony maybe like what kind of choices they would make the ability to Sort of semi tailor your like you have to That it's such a small thing But the people that choice Yeah, just like oh you need this door open you got to pull the power from the lights or you got to pull the Power from oxygen. So when you're going to this door, do you want to do it in the dark? And have all the time you need or you could see but you're on a timer now That's right. Both of those are It's an interesting thing that I really really appreciate and I like and it kind of maybe double take the first time that I did it Because I was like, oh wait, they're giving me a choice Like I can choose which way I want to tackle this little part of the map Oh, like I really thank you very much. I appreciate that And also I get uh, oh, sorry Well, no way you go first. My thing's a little bit different. I was gonna talk about the speed of the game now Oh What the fuck my phone just made noise alone, um Well, I was gonna say pitch for Dead Space for what if after the events of the first three games, you know Eventually Kendra's sister Found out about all of it kills Isaac with a golf club and then we play us here for the rest of the game Oh, nice I was thinking it could be kind of revolutionary and it could be about how we can come to like her even though she She she um, she clubbed our guy to death. You know, what about that? Is it a plasma golf club? And then Isaac's surrogate daughter has a chance to kill you but doesn't I'm sorry. Well, I think I made this joke on my stream. I accidentally called it the plasma putter So I think That's right. I like that It's it's just a golf club, but like the handle is a laser for no reason Um What I was going to say in terms of the speed replaying Dead Space one It's like this is a pretty it's pretty slow, right? Like, um, Isaac moves pretty slow, but the neck muscles also move pretty slow It's like a level of a level of almost restricted control And in all the gameplay that you see for like the remake It's like man Isaac is like way faster and snappy at a control And I think at first I was worried that it would make it easier, but the neck remorse of way faster It took me I have to like unlearn Dead Space Classic to play this properly. I was I was getting hit so much because I was like, oh, they're over there They can't get me yet. And then it'd be like, oh, fuck. Okay. Yeah. Okay. They got me So I think they they take a couple of more hits than in the original. Well, so not only do I think they take more hits I think they get you get more ammo in this I have so much ammo currently and I'm on hard Uh, I think I have like over a hundred dude I was accidentally on medium for the first hour and I was like I was bleeding ammo I was just and someone was like, I think you're on medium. I was like, oh gross Get me I didn't go on hard Jesus. Did you end up restarting now or well? I I said to the stream like I don't want to have to replay the first hour all over again But I'm not gonna be streaming that log anyway. Yeah, I heard that I don't know if you maybe did it offline If it prevents me from getting achievements or whatever I plan to try and do it on impossible off stream anyway, so Yeah, I think the achievements are mostly just Finish it on every difficulty the chapter I think Yeah, I don't know Yeah, I'm on hard. I still I still feel like I have a shit ton of ammo at least playing only with the plasma cutter right now I'm quite curious how they balance everything in terms of rewards if you can switch up difficulty I've always understood switching down is mostly makes sense. But you know I wonder if like if I ran it on medium for the whole game except the last chapter and then moved it to hard Does that really count as me being in that last level on hard really? All the resources I have, but I don't know There's a lot of questions like that I'd have for this game because I'm not as familiar with it as I am with the original something. I love Part of why I love to replay dead space one is I love how it's balanced This goes for resident before as well. By the way, there's a lot of games to supplies too I just love playing it because I feel like my efforts to conserve Ammo and become like hyper powerful as a result It feel I never feel like I'm exploiting the game. I feel like I'm working for my power Yeah, if you go in the first couple of chapters It's like I'm just gonna sell all my ammo and all my health packs because I can I can just kind of get through without them But for this I get like already be fully upgraded plasma cutter or like fully upgraded damage or whatever you go for first And then you kill them in like three shots because you you made that sacrifice in the beginning It's like, yeah, it's it's pretty cool. I think there's a lot of ways you can play dead space in general You and I have felt that we get a full fun experience with just the plasma cutter But we we do need to go experiment with the other weapons because they change everything about A lot of how you'll approach lots of different scenarios I mean I think changed a lot of the weapons In this one all the other weapons, I think there's like a lot of some of the weapons are They definitely are different like the pulse rifles alt fire is Has a point now There isn't in the og you kind of just do like a Circle and shoot you like you you pointed it in the air and like the barrel spun around and hurt all the enemies around you But it was it was it was always a meme so they changed it to where it's a it's a proximity grenade that it Puts on the ground and uh, you can retrieve it And you can get your ammo back if it doesn't go off. So how does that work? Does that cost you bullets? Or does it cost it cost it cost 25 ammunition to shoot a proximity mine And if you look at it and press spacebar, then it'll just turn it into a pile of 25 rounds You could pick back up. So it's refundable. That's nice. See this is something I wouldn't even have known until my second playthrough Because I'm avoiding yeah same. I'm I'm going to experiment flames where we're shoots a like a little a line of fire on the ground As it's alt fire the contact beam Does instead of a continuous damage beam it has like a charged up shot that shoots all at once Plasma cutter, of course rotates the cutting angle I think the ripper it shoots the blade forwards. Yeah, just shoots it out like a projectile Which is bitching in certain circumstances I remember liking the ripper In terms of but to be honest with you they just it's just a well-made game and they all have their uses Yeah, I'm finding myself really sort of Because I know I'll play this through multiple times For years to come. So I'm not feeling too pressured to You know try everything or figure out something. Yeah, so I'm I'm carrying around four guns I'm using them all a decent amount And kind of enjoying how they all work. None of them feel like they are Worth discarding So that's that's pretty good. That's kind of when you know balance feels about right when you don't feel like they're obvious choices And that some weapons are just not worth having um I I haven't even picked up any of the weapons I saw and it's like I want the achievement for an only plasma cutter I don't know how they count it leave them on the ground. Yeah, I mentioned that when I picked it up I was like, I'm not going to use it. I guess I'll just put it up and I was like, I don't trust you game I'm going to reload and just hope when pasted uh Yeah, I'm going to experiment with those in the second playthrough Um, there's loads of changes, uh, as we've been mentioning and I was just reminded of one now from this footage But this place I remember very well from the original and you go through and on your way back The the way is blocked. Yeah, and I was like, wait, what do I And then I slowly look up and I'm like, oh, do I do I do that? And then I stood up and I was like, oh, that's so cool And I'm going to fly over the area and come back down and say I like the they don't have to do stuff like that But they did and that's really cool Zero gravity sections a why why why why better now? I just said giro z and Uh, yeah, I really like the flying around. It's like you have a little iron man suit and just get the fly around with it Well, of course, that's that's the upgrade from ds one to ds two that I really liked anyway, right and then Yes, three you get to go around in like actual space. Um Just sort of freeform visiting ship to ship or Like rescue vessels, whatever Um Dead space is just a fucking cool IP And it's kind of neat that this may very well resurrect it. Uh, yes fingers crossed. I really hope that it does I said before I'll say again, there's no reason this shouldn't get a tv show adaptation slash movie adaptation And if you give it to the right people, oh, you know, they're doing the Tomb Raider one, right? That's the recent announcement now. Well, that's another one that could work But it depends who's writing and directing of course bb walla bridge. I think is writing it. Well, never mind Well, doesn't she have like a show that's super like acclaimed or I don't know I don't know anything about her. I know that she's in the new way now. Jones. Well, I'll put it this way We'll give it a chance as we will give all of the ones that are coming a chance Um, sure, sure, but chat, you know how it goes. We're never lucky enough to have them all be good No Well, hopefully god of war is good Well, that's the thing right if you could guarantee bio shock gears of war god of war Tomb raider or let's for the sake of the argument say dead space all of them get a tv show Which would you if you could spend let's say two tokens To save two of them and three of them have to go. What are you choosing? So dead space god of war gears of war tomb raider and bio shock Oh Because I get rid of gears of war actually fuck it. I should what I should say is put them in order of saving to least saving Uh, I think probably I assume one of our top twos here dead space and bio shock So funnily enough. I think I'm not sure. I think my number one might be bio shock Uh My love for that game is is incredible if it got a really good tv show adaptation I could imagine falling in the fucking love with that so hard Problem is of course like wait not god of war. I'm like, oh Well, you already kind of have like that's the thing like god of war in its current state It's so cinematic and everything Essentially you could redo the old god of war with more uh depth Yeah, well if if we get to customize everything then yes, um And of course, I just want to with saying I don't want to see a bad tv show for fucking any of these ips It's gonna be lame Because you know, let's say halo was in the best state ever with all of its games That doesn't make the tv show any less painful, right? No No, it doesn't But yeah This question's annoying me actually because i'm not sure how I can answer this I think i'm gonna put I think i'm gonna put dead space as my most wanted We'll be what is the reason do you think? What's your brain telling you? I think the setting in how all of the characters sort of handle the type of things that happen In terms of the symptoms of the marker The earth gov conspiracy stuff The unit ology characters and how all of them could sort of interact with a plot and how they deal with it And plus just the the introduction of you know, I I believably presented Future for humanity and I just think it all just gels in a way that I really want to see And I would think I'd I'd put it as my number one um And plus it'd be nice to have like a legitimately pretty like spooky show as well But I think bio sharks my number two and it's a pretty close number two So it's it's tough to say i'm if you ask me tomorrow I might change my mind But I mean they're really sort of neck and neck, but I think I give dead space my top slot Out of curiosity is everyone's lowest slot here gonna be tomb raider Yes, so Actually, no, I might put Tomb Raider above Gears of War. I don't give a shit about Gears of War story Well, here's the thing. I just played Gears of War mutely and I think the universe is really fucking cool I think the tomb raider I think I get what you mean about tomb raider. I think Just imagine like if you had a tomb raider show where like each season was the whole adventure of like doing the Going on the little archaeology, you know Like I don't know on that adventure and for some reason because I almost disagree with myself for having this thought But i'm having it It's uh I feel like i've seen that already. Meanwhile, like Gears of War tv show sounds like it'd be really cool and interesting unique, I guess. Yeah I well, I mean, yeah tomb raider fills in a slot that is more archetypical than all of these other things um Maybe it's because there's also been multiple attempts at tomb raider external media and it's just like three movies Three movies. Um, it's like man. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah Yeah, I just I just don't really carry nearly as much The thought of having like a serious version of those of god of god of war gears of war one two and three that's like more More focused and being a bit more serious. That sounds really fucking cool to me well, that's kind of Whichever when you put a number one is going to be a show you'll probably fucking adore and everyone thinks is amazing And which which ip do you want to get that sort of thing? Yeah, at that point it's just personal preference. I would say right or encouragement to make more games Joe could be so cool. I I can't think of anything that would be sure that's like dead space. Um That's kind of that's kind of my thing It's kind of the same reason why I'd be really interested in like even though metroid the story as told and presented in those games Doesn't seem conducive to like television or film at all Like I feel like you could you could make something in that tone and it would be super unique Like if you even just had a movie that was like samus on our own for a long time Exploring places that it could be really Unconventional and I felt like dead space the same thing right like I don't know if the first season of dead space would just be Isaac on the issue more of the whole time, but maybe it is and maybe that's cool Maybe like you haven't that he encounters people in his travels, you know and tries to help them and keeps going wrong As long as a pandorum look it up. Uh as someone who's seen pandorum I would never tell fringy and rags to watch that as a sort of adaptation at least in Pandorum is interesting But it ain't it ain't what you're looking for What is that? It's like a dead space. It's a movie It's a sci-fi where they wake up on a ship that's overcome by mysterious horrible things Including monsters and catastrophes. It's big old twists in the story, but I remember being a cool movie not sure I'd call it a good movie Okay, um, right I need to see it again for that but because I completely agree with you that I say I say this weird as if it means something specific But a perfectly adapted Dead space game into a tv show would be something to remarkable I think but I honestly would say I don't see it being any less or more remarkable than a bio shock one as well especially if we did Imagine like season one of bio shock is functioning rapture as well. Yeah, and then it ends with like the beginning of the end Wherever one yeah, because imagine the fan service like the the final thing that happens in the final episode is some reference to The plane or you know, just there's so many things you can make people go nuts with Pretty cool and the one thing and maybe this is a bit unfair But the one thing about it that pushes me more to bio shock is that I I consider the roster of characters to be so much more interesting even though I like a lot of the ones in dead space Yeah I'd love to see steinman and cohen and just just oh god I've already my brain is trying to be like do a fun casting thing. Who would you get? I'm just like no brain We're gonna get disappointed with the bio shock show. It's we're gonna get disappointed. I know it So, yeah One thing that annoys me in that space that I It's just a tiny thing. It doesn't use the smallest Health item automatically anymore. I think it uses the one that is closest to the top left of the inventory When you said that and uh, you you mentioned it to me I was like, oh, shit that actually makes sense because I remember my health going up when I tried to use it Straight up, uh, more than I expected it to it. I was like, wait, what? Because um, um at the very fucking least I should be sat able right automatically use the most Or just the smallest, you know some something It was nice. Like, oh, I know I have like three small ones So I can just go bloop bloop bloop and then now I have uh, just over half health I don't need to use my big one But use like my large one the only one I had just automatically I was like, why did you do that? I wanted to keep that for later hang on, um I saw someone mentioned as well It's frustrating that they have like warning gore ahead or explicit scene coming up or something like that Um, but you can turn those off and I think james said that was off by default So it's you know, yeah, that's fine with me if it's like that I mean, you know, because like, yeah, I mean, there's gonna be people who want to be able to look away Before they see something horrifying. This isn't a game. I would suggest they play if they're that kind of person, but hey Yeah, maybe you want to play something else Uh, I didn't even know there was a thing they have in the game. I was I remember being told about it I checked the options before going in to make sure it wasn't on because I do not fucking want warnings for when I'm I'm going to see gory things, please. No, I want to experience it I can't imagine that being anything but frustrating. It's like warning. You're about to see hamon to get torn half You're like, stop Oilers, what the hell? Shbumbler who is Um, but yeah, of course There's so much we haven't talked about and you know what there's so much we haven't experienced because A lot of us are going to try and get this game completed before next saturday Afraid metal will not be able to join us, but we'll try and grab some gamers tm to discuss Don't you don't you worry. I'll cover it on the forge forge Forge Are you gonna try and do it on impossible difficulty metal? Uh, I probably won't be able to do it before the forge. I probably give it a go at some point It might be fun for a stream actually. Is it you get one save? I haven't checked it out yet. I only know what you During your stream that's might be like the thing where you're only two or three saves or something Like for the uh, I can't I can't remember the rules exactly. I'd have to read them up again Yeah, I mean, I don't know the the whole Limited saves. I don't know. It's very unappealing to me. I don't know. It just sounds very annoying It's not my favorite kind of uh Cranking difficulty not at all. Yeah Hey mark the cyborg mark check your discord. I messaged you like ages ago. Check your discord Idiot, so we'll be grabbing you for the efeb as well mark pending invite I already know you've been playing it. So I'll just drag you invite you for the forge like two weeks ago And you never messaged me back. You bastard I'm sorry. That was mean but wait is x-ray girl played Uh, the game as well Because I mean if she wants to she could jump on with you if you want Yeah, I also tried to invite me to my birthday mark. You can do that as well But it's like oh i'm not gonna check my discord. Okay enough shitting on mark. Sorry Same difficulty as hard just a save and so that's a save you can spend at any one moment I guess Is not reassuring is it? Uh, wait, what was that one save? I think that's what I read up and that's what's There's no autosaves and you get to have one save In the game So, I mean so that means like like the halfway point or wherever you want You can have your save to go back to then you have to complete the game. Yeah. What do you think about that rex? I think it's interesting. Um, I Like with many games. I do my first playthrough on the normal difficulty and then I go more I'll be playing this through on hard after normal and trying to sort of compare them see how they match up Um, because I'll be playing this game a lot. I already know that As for how I feel about it I'm not sure. I haven't died yet um the I think the game is I'm still kind of learning it so it's it's somewhat difficult to say but I don't think that it will be That difficult I'm trying to think of the thing you have to worry about in games like that because Because I have done a beat dead space one the original on a possible mode I did beat dead space two on its hardcore mode and The things you you watch out for are those instant death mechanics Where you're like, oh you got you weren't in cover. So the asteroid just killed you, you know You weren't really afraid of fighting enemies so much because generally at that point you're good enough at the game to where You're really good at fighting enemies It's those instant deaths sort of things that you really have to watch out for And I don't think there's been any yet um Which James saying it's you can save multiple times. There's only one slot. I'm a little bit confused Isn't that normal that you'd have as far as I as far as I know The impossible mode in dead space the remake is it is at hard difficulty level But there are no auto saves and you can only have one save Which means that you have to essentially Play the game without dying or if you die you revert to wherever that save was So basically you have to complete the game without dying but you get to choose one checkpoint That you'll revert to if you die So I didn't mean isn't that normal difficulty. I mean, isn't it normal to have one? That's not directly you by the way rags Because I'm I'm getting very confused with what James is saying basically I'm not he's like it's not only one save. It's just one slot I don't understand because You know like when you say it's only one slot what will be achieved by preventing you from being able to Move to a different slot. Anyway, you know in terms of difficulty. Yeah, I think they just misunderstood it. Um So I'm I'm I'm kind of I'm not really I'm not really thinking about where the save would be at the moment right now No, of course Especially because I'm not certain how long the game is and I don't know if I'm gonna hit a section where I really need to Like again, yeah, is there gonna be a segment where I need to Be aware of is a potential hazard zone for the game ending or a very very particular sequence of fighting necromorphs Something like that. I'm not sure yet Depending on how many of those I run into it might change my opinion, but right now I don't think it'll be that difficult um Because he's he's saying you save multiple times and maintain the impossible difficulty So if it is multiple times, I'll I'll happily Engage that Impossible mode specifically says it's on a hard difficulty um The only thing that makes it harder than hard Is that if you die you either go back to the beginning of the game or your checkpoint if you've used it okay, well That sounds like a kind of difficulty. I'm not too enticed by but uh Which is like which is kind of like uh, like what hardcore was in dead space too Where it actually doesn't play any different than a normal game if you're if you don't die Right, it's the fear of if you die then you go all the way So if only enough what you just laid out as to Is part of what I find so frustrating about the mode There are insta kill things that can happen that sometimes don't even feel remotely fair And so it's just like I don't want to put that much time in just to go. Oh, thanks That's the thing and because right now I don't think there are any I might be mistaken and I just haven't had them happen to me But right now I don't feel like there's any like I wouldn't Again if I if if assuming I was halfway through the game right now I'm not even certain I would use that checkpoint yet Um, I don't know I feel very confident in my ability to do it and I think that the game gives you a lot of options in terms of You know the weapons and how they work and of course their kinesis module and you know Stasis and stuff and the way that the upgrade paths function, but I need to learn the game more I need to see which weapons I would go for which ones I would not use I want to see what the you know kind of the upgrade paths are worth getting I need to see what the best um the weapon upgrades would be you know worthy of purchasing Um, so I'm curious, uh, but I'll know more when I finish the game obviously come uh Saturday. Yeah Anything else you'd want to mention about the game first impressions wise Um without not without getting into too much detail. There's some things I could mention But I'll probably save it for next week Generally though my thoughts are very positive. I'm really enjoying it. It is an excellent remake so far Very happy very happy. Yeah same. I'm having a pretty good time and Don't try to stream it as well because it's uh, it's actually weird playing a new game that I'm about to cover I'm not streaming it. It's been a while since that happened Actually, if it's kind of weird just sitting here on my own not talking It's funny because I find games so much more difficult to cover it that there is so much stuff to go over So many levels of production so many things to appreciate and so many things that change across difficulties as well As we've just kind of gone over Films are much more straightforward Even though there's a shit sort of like pedokio is a good example It's so much to appreciate about that well beyond just storytelling But that is a lot of the time what we focus on but hey, you know They'll be interested in things to talk about in terms of the story of dead space and from what I have been told by people who are fans They've made tweaks to the story The improved continuity from what I have heard don't want to make too any harsh claims on that And we'll have to wait until next week when they're more familiar So everyone says Yeah, um, I think it's funny as well one of the newer super chat says y'all haven't seen choralino pans labyrinth. What are you doing? I am fixing them. Okay. Give me time Gradually installing choralino pans labyrinth into the fix wonderful hard drives that are humans Um, but yeah, okay. Well, like I said, we'll we'll talk more about dead space next week But for now that'll probably happily sum it up um I was gonna say we could Talk about bullet train, but I'm um I was only gonna be a like a suggestion because the problem is I'm not sure how exactly I want to go about Uh talking about it and then I was thinking to myself like maybe fringy and rag should see it and then we could talk about it or Uh, we'll sort of just throw it out as it was it was gonna be but not so much Um, but you got a forge on it, right Mel if they want to hear I I did do a fortunate. Yeah, uh Was that a solo or guest? I think I was on my own on that one. Uh, no, let me check That's been a couple of months um But yeah Well, uh, what um, I was told about it from drinker and it's something I completely echo is uh, Aaron Taylor Johnson's in it And I was like Because I find him to be in almost everything I see Probably my favorite performance from ever and I think he's my favorite character in the film That'll be uh, it was me alone under me. It was five months ago. Well, it was a long time ago Bullet train is stupid. Yeah It is a very silly Movie, but I really really enjoyed it. I had a lot of fun with it. I think it's it's a very fun movie Uh Yeah, it's insane and it knows it's insane. It does a lot of crazy. Yeah, that's what uh, What works and it's benefit it makes it pretty clear it's like you're gonna be here for some insane things There's no real life physics. That's gonna Uh, one is filled with hyper contrivances Like uh massively. Yeah Ones that they they know in universe are so fucking insane But you know, they're doing it because they're like wouldn't it be funny though if this happened? You're like, all right Yeah I think this is one of the forges we're in hindsight It's like this actually wasn't that interesting to cover because it's just like yeah, you're gonna watch it You're gonna have fun, but there's not a lot to gain from it in terms of conversation. I think Um, would you recommend it? I would recommend it. Yeah, I think it's a really fun movie It's definitely it's one of those movies if you if you have like friends over or something and you just have some beers Some some some brusquies And just want to put something on that's that's something you want to go for Yeah, I would guarantee you'll get at least one laugh out of the film, right? Yeah, it's really fun. It's uh pretty pretty fun stuff At least one laugh. That's way more than velma. I know right a billion times more As someone just said said the the film is aware of its own absurdity Especially in the end the way it just answers like oh, yeah, you now you should all be dead, but you you aren't Also shit tons of famous people. Yeah, of course Brad Pitt of course, uh, let me see. I'm bad with actors. So I need to check Uh IMDB help me Because my brain is bad Uh, Aaron Taylor Johnson Sandra Bullock Bullock bollock bollock and for bollock bollock. I never said her name out loud. That's funny Oh, yeah, you got bad bunny. It's like the some some mexican cocktail guy. It was kind of funny Uh, yeah, it's crazy. What does he scream five dolls? A month or something like in there In that movie Oh, you don't know the reference. No, I'm Do you don't know the do you do right five dollars a month? You know, you know, wait, oh, no, I'm not no wait bad bunny I know I know I'm I'm memeing I forgot they also called something with bun. Okay. Yeah, okay. We're on the same same boat. Yeah That's right. Now we're on the same Yeah, of course. No, I I mean that I still mean that a shit on my streams. It's funny, man Yeah, it is pretty funny Um, uh, yeah bull train super fun. Uh, go watch it. It's it's it's pretty straightforward. It's nice action Uh, the way that it's absurd. It's fun. It's I really like it I'm probably gonna rewatch it a bunch of times in my in my years of life Oh Fun stuff Well, but there's nothing there's nothing that it's not Nothing crazy to really talk about except maybe the crazy action scenes that happens like at some point the uh, the one Australian guy jumps onto the moving train and punches in the glass Which is crazy Australian guy Wasn't even the Australian guy the the the the uh, the lanky one I think they were both English Oh fine, whatever Anyway So what I was gonna say is that um The thing about this was we had a selection of things that were gonna take us up to around four hours And it looks like we've already reached it. I actually expected us to take about a half hour on each topic Yeah, that didn't never works out that way even though we were pretty fast today, you know That was pretty good. Yeah Yeah, um, and uh, we are actually uh This is you would have noticed with the I think eight and a half hour to nine hour catch-up thing we released We are actually getting there and today's ones will be caught up with as well as there's only I think two more e-fabs worth of us catching up to do So we'll finally actually be caught up soon enough. It's just a matter of It's difficult sometimes to get me free and rags all available at the same time for a selection of hours That's why they get stitched up as well So that we can like lemon, but yes, we are gonna it is a short man. I suppose four hours, you know Come on four hours Um But hey, I I think this was fun. I imagine people May request something like this in future. It's like hey come on multiple movies per stream It's it's better and you can form of recommendations And I think I see a lot of people being like it's so nice. You praise two movies extensively and it's like We broke a lot of records today in terms of things that we don't typically do but Next week. Hopefully we're mostly gonna be praising a video game So that'll be different too And of course you Bastards are getting a weekly mini in the form of The Last of Us TV show Which is funny, right? Because it's barely been mentioned on like the mainline episodes because I think that's pretty much what's gonna happen We're probably gonna keep all talk related to it in those minis. It's gonna be its own series I guess that's confirmation too. Some of you are wondering if we're gonna do the whole thing for that It's like, yes, we're not carrying on with velma as much as all of you want us to we're not carrying on with I I will watch Jay Longbone suffer through it. Maybe But like I I don't want to see any more velma. It's uh It's a difficult show to watch Um, it it looked pretty painful. I watched the premiere. It's like Jesus Christ. It's bad. It's it's really happy It was the first time I was like, man, I'm so glad I wasn't around when you guys just gathered around randomly Well, yeah, um, uh, as said he needed me to see it for real bbc and I was just like, well, you're here. Let's watch it Damn it Um, why do a few people wanting to continue velma? I know I know People are telling me when S3 was like you're gonna. I don't care. I don't care. Damn it. You can't make me god damn it Oh, legit would have to pay you I think at this point, which is fair. Uh, it's a difficult thing Yeah, like there You guys saw the edited version there were large swaths where we just sort of were yeah We were just quiet because I think I think it was either brain damage or something Oh, yeah, and I chopped out a decent portion of just the exact same criticisms over and over again because it was It's just the same problem Constantly Yeah, like men suck white people suck. Isn't this one meta thing really shit that I pointed out Gross stuff. Look grossness. Isn't that gross? Yeah, okay. It's very, um, very predictable. There's not a lot of variety in what's happening Not funny in any way Oh and as I've been mentioned disbrew and little platoon they're both tackling it Good luck to them. I hope they survive I've seen them on my timeline. I was like, do I want to watch I don't want to know anything about it But then I clicked on this head on the side. It's like man this shows bad. Oh, yeah, like I don't know Gross no one should have to watch it. Anyway Um Well, uh, it's been mentioned a couple of times this stream, but yes metal. You're still doing them forges I believe your channel is in the description. I don't know how it manages to run away from it all the time Oh my god, it actually survives someone paid someone. Yeah, and uh, yeah, you'll be running a dead space one next Yeah, I mean, uh, uh, that's going to be on I think thursday. It's february this february the second. Yeah, it's thursday I'm going to do the forge then because on that weekend I have a friend over because it's uh the weekend of my birthday so I'm gonna be Just chilling out with him. Uh, of course, there's going to be a birthday stream My friend was still going to be here, but he's just going to join for the gartic phone shenanigans So that's going to be a good time. That's february the fifth on a sunday Uh, so yeah, if you if you are if you're craving another gartic phone stream That's coming up and all of us here are going to be there unless someone's going to say no at the last second Which would be very sad like I've told you I will be yeah In all of it that doesn't cross over with catch up duties Exactly. So you you have your drankelheimers and then you can just join after that's that's perfectly fine Uh, and yeah There's a forge for you to see for post and boots pinocchio. That's the last two weeks I did pinocchio yesterday with fringy and meme. That was good stuff Uh, I did bullet train on my own ages ago So if you want to see that go go watch that and yeah, I I basically have the The the forges for the next couple of weeks and months. They're already planned out. Like it's on my whiteboard. I'm going I'm going hard boys. Okay, so I gotta go do a little subscribleton Or I'll beat you up I'll find every single one of you and beat you up and then I'll Steal your phone and subscribe myself probably some kind of breach of something that you just said that, you know Not if you tell anyone But you two come to you and be like, oh, it's just just a prank, bro It's just a prank. Oh no, I'm uh, I'm gonna go to be putting a lot of work in this year like even more than last year I'm uh, I'm committing. Um, I want to want to do things I'm having a lot of fun and people seem to have fun as well. So Yeah, I'm having people enjoy the stuff and I'm gonna gonna Provide more and it's gonna be great. So yeah, go check it out we uh Ringy rags. Was there anything you guys wanted to make the people aware of? No, not really Yeah, I like why so I don't really have anything just walking Um, well, I mean it's about the same for me work continues. You'll see me on real bbc open bar And open bar catch ups. I'm not sure if drink is gonna be recording them all offline now I'm not sure if he's decided that because we're doing more and You know, he's trying to find a way of not ending up with the kind of backlog that we end up with And so I we're not doing them online as much as well because we actually managed to Finally get to the point of completing them Um, yeah, those are all on the way as well as just more surprises here and there And of course you can expect the last of us minis to probably come out every wednesday Give me enough time to actually edit them Um, and yeah, what we have to come of course is like I said dead space but also, um The ant man breakdown will happen when that comes out the Uh, oh, yeah, the Mandalorian season three is going to be March 1st. I think so you can expect minis for that as well Um There's going to be more uh sort of like Probably more releases in general that we'll we'll cover here and there but there's still a backlog of different videos We want to check out as well. So all the stuff you might think I've heard the foodie character referred to as the mohler slash cinemas in this guy I don't even know how to respond. I think it's really weird to connect what we do to the foodie guy because Like I said, he talks about like All kinds of it would the equivalent would be talking about filmmaking techniques all the time and uh Like the bad the the work of the artist and recognizing how they did this on the other It's like does that sound like cinemas sins to you doesn't really sound like us as much as we do talk about Um, I guess filmmaking techniques Like I said, I think we suit the the critic legality much more while I think the foodie Of what it is we're criticizing and talking about we don't just we don't just sit here and describe things we You know, we really go into it. We go far deeper than most do Like I said, I think I think he Encapsulates the video essayist on youtube. It's almost perfect They talk forever and ever about how much they know about the thing, but they'll never ever be able to do it themselves Because they want to be the thing but they can't be the thing Meanwhile, I'm more than comfortable and we've said this again and again. I quite love being a critic I enjoy breaking things down. I am comfortable where I'm at I wouldn't mind making my own shit at some point in some way in the form of storytelling But right now I'm really I get a lot out of deconstructing stories. I enjoy it I mean I'm yeah same I'm surprised I'm saying this if I Consider what's been going on. Just like a couple of years ago. It's like, I don't know It's just happening. I mean, I wasn't even that much on efab in the beginning Then just kind of happen And now I'm enjoying it greatly. It's good stuff and it's all Mahler's fault. Good. Good job Yay, if you were given ryan johnson's position, you could never have made tlj. I fucking hope not Anyway, something I meant to say if you're craving for for video game coverage more I'm planning to cover a whole bunch of video games This year atomic art resident evil wulong all the things because I like video games and Kind of we'll talk about them more on the forges as well So, yeah, if you to crave that those ones those are common as well I've got to mention that but yeah I mean, I can't see why we wouldn't cover those two as well since atomic art is like the bio shock spiritual successor and then Resident evil. I mean Yeah, I can't wait to play so get bio shock You say that like in a bad way. Why would you do that? No, I'm not saying that a bad way. Good You're really not. Hopefully it's not shit. Oh, yeah That's the boilerplate one for everything, right? But uh, anyway, we're gonna jump out now Thanks for hanging out with us folks. Like I said, uh, we're trickling in them super chat catch ups We're actually getting close. I'll I'll make sure every one of them gets out properly labeled We'll tackle these ones as well But thank you very much for the kind donations the company and well Enjoy the rest of your day afternoon night week year and Decade and millennium, right? I don't think any of them in chat are going further than a millennium. They're probably gonna Probably not. No, we're gonna fizzle out by then. But hey For as long as you're around. Have fun. Toodle peep cheerio Here we go everybody