 الحمد لله جميعا لجميعا أعلم أربي. أنا هنا مع أخي عبدالفتاح مباشرة من المدينة المناورة السلام عليكم برو السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته أنا جيد برو كيف هو المدينة في المدينة أخي جيدا يجب أن أقول أنه جيدا لكن الحمد لله جميعا جيدا كل شيء هو آيسي كار is آيسي غرفة is آيسي لا حسنا أو إذن غرفة الطلاب نعم نعم نعم أخي إنه مستحيل إنه جيدا يجب أن تكون آيسي نعم لذا هل أنت لأن أعلم أنهم كانوا في المدينة المناورة هل لديهم هذا في المدينة المناورة نعم أنا في المدينة المناورة هذا أصدقائي حسنا حسنا أنهم يفعلون جيدا حمد لله أخبرت أنه أخي أخبرت بعض الأصدقاء عن المدينة المناورة أحد يضع الأصدقاء كبير ونجد أخر يخبروني حمد لله أخي أخي أنه أخي أخي أنه أخي أخي أنه أخي ون أخي أنه أخي يخبروني أخي يضع الأصدقاء على فتاة ون أخي أنه يضع الأصدقاء أعلم أنه أخير فاستعمل بكل مدينة أرغبونهم على مناورة لأنهم المليئة أنهم already know that you are in the middle لكن سأخبرهم للكتب وكيف أنت حachen to the middle مدينة هل تريديني أن أبدأ بجانب؟ أو تريديني أن أبدأ بك as I came to Medina? أريديني أن أعطيكم كيفية من المدينة أريديني أن أبدأ بجانب أبوية لكن في الموقف أن أبدأ بجانب أبوية كل شيء بدأت 2014 أردت لتلك أمره ومالذي قابلت في مقابل which is next to my building now I went and had the مقابل over there and they ask me basic questions like which is the Alkan and the Imam because if they see you from Switzerland I am from Switzerland so if they see that there is no Da'wah it's like not a lot of muslim means so they make it easier on you they ask me basic questions and then I had to wait 3 years لأنه في ذلك الغاب they accept a nobody from 2014 to 2017 and a lot of people can relate to that I remember I definitely relate to that So in that meanwhile I was it was like end of 2015 I was like man I can't just be in Switzerland like I can't just wait you know what I'm saying and I made the step to Egypt because I used to live in Switzerland المسلم is pretty much in the heart of Europe is between Italy, Germany and North What city I mean? Oh Zurich Zurich okay okay No I'm saying that because I live in Geneva So I know Geneva Oh really? Yeah Okay what's good It's more of a French city yeah Yeah Zurich is German, German Oh okay more German okay Yeah So you got to Egypt Yes So in Egypt I was brothers can tell you I was doing دعاء every day Oh may Allah give me Medina May Allah give me Medina May Allah give me Medina and all of that And that's how it basically happened And of course with the دعاء of my mother I used to tell her mom make دعاء Like I want to go to Medina you know No So Alhamdulillah with the blessing of Allah I got accepted and now I'm like I came October 2017 I came to Medina And now is what? May 2019 So I would say it was like Year and a half Year and a half Yeah Yeah Alhamdulillah But how it comes then you have I mean you sound American to me The thing is When I was younger I was very interested in languages And I speak different languages And that's any It's a name from Allah So I moved to Egypt So when I moved to Egypt That's where I met brothers like Hanif And like brothers that I started to Like I would like I just walk with American That's how it became like Americanized Yeah And people tell me Yo you sound like from America You sound like from Canada Yeah Toronto or something Yeah Okay Alhamdulillah And by the way We actually connected I'm directly connected With like really Yeah You know really close connections actually But Insha'Allah That good brother Yeah very good brother Insha'Allah Hopefully we have him Hopefully I can interview him Insha'Allah I'll see him doing this actually You know he's like Super On his corner kind of thing But Insha'Allah Okay Alhamdulillah So how long do you stay in Egypt then? It was a I stayed My trip in Egypt It was a lot of things happened But I left from Switzerland October 2015 So end of In December 2016 So a month A year and two months Okay Alhamdulillah Okay So So I guess you went to Egypt Because you were like Okay let me at least As I'm waiting for Medina Insha'Allah Let me benefit and learn Arabic Etc Yeah Okay so Just to make sure you In Switzerland You didn't have No level of Arabic right? The thing is My auntie She's married to a Yemeni So And I was a lot in their house So I Was hearing it In the background a lot It's not like A person that became Muslim And he never heard Arabic And he went So I knew like كيف حالك اسمي هكذا يعني You know just بسيط أمور like Small talk Like very Small talk based No Alhamdulillah So but I wasn't that guy that Was like I'm sorry I said Your origins as well Where are they East African right Somali or Yeah My father is a rich And my mother is Somali So you have a lot of Vocabulary in there as well A little bit right? Yeah Okay Alhamdulillah Like And That's a lot of things man There's a lot of things like It happens on a daily basis Where I'm like Oh really That's what it means That's the same word In Somali man It happens to me a lot No Definitely Okay So Okay so we said You didn't have no basics Basically Before you went to I mean you had You had like You know the kind of like The sweet talk Kind of thing as we say Yeah Okay so So not knowing Arabic Right Before you even decided To learn Arabic What was you Frustrated about Not knowing Arabic I was I was We had classes I was In that time Sheikh Khaled He was giving He was teaching us in Arabic And we always had to like Somebody had to translate And then Somehow he did not really understand What the Sheikh was saying So I was feeling like Man I can't like I need to understand What he's saying You know what I mean No So that was One of the main frustration Because Mashallah He used to teach like Every second day And I was just Sitting there like Man I can't I can't I can't do this Like you know Like I need to learn Arabic Yeah definitely I mean I've been sitting in this Simultaneously translation Kind of Doros It's just like Yeah I mean it kind of helps If you're taking notes Because sometimes The Sheikh might be Might be going so fast So you know What they translated You have time too But You know still it's It's just It's just frustrating But okay so What secretly You desired the most Of the Arabic language I was just like I want to be able to Open up The Quran Or A book of Ibn Taymiyyah And just be like Yes man I understand You know I understand It touches my heart When I read What Ibn Taymiyyah Says about the heart Or when Allah Talks about The people of Iman And the people of Kuf Like You want to feel that And that was Because I'm As I told you I like languages a lot But this is like The most powerful language And this is the Language of the Quran So That was my main motivation No definitely So What language do you know You just put me In a spot like that Okay I was born in Italy Okay I was born in Rome, Italy So that's where Where my Italian came Of course my mother Being Somali Then I moved to Switzerland And in Switzerland We have three main languages Which is French German And Italian So I learned French And German In Switzerland And as you see I speak English No And on the way Alhamdulillah I've learned Arabic So Put together Is six languages Switzerland In my city We speak another Lahja Which is like Deried from Like the first half The people in Germany Don't understand us But we understand them So I would say six But people would say seven But I would say six Right It's kind of like the Catalan In Spain As we have Like We understand Spanish But Spanish Can't understand us Yeah Yeah So Okay So what do you say That knowing all of these languages And having this foundation In all of these different You know حروف And all of these different You know You know Different pronunciations Etc Do you think that you had An advantage Over everyone else In terms of learning The Arabic language I would say That Every language That you add To your own Own Personality It opens you up A little bit more About Like in general Like it gives you It gives you like Okay Now I understand Why French people Move like that Now I understand Why Spanish people Like that Now I understand Why From that perspective Like the psychological It helped me a lot Because I I never felt strange Being around These type of people But I would say Learning Arabic It's more That I have Maybe the background And somehow The words And like The structure The Somali language And all of that I think that's what helped me more No Yeah definitely What you said about Like It's true that You know the Learning a language It Gives you a lot of context In terms of the culture Of that language Yeah Yeah And that's so true That's so true Okay so So what was the Time frame Once you decided Okay man I need to learn this language Okay Let me actually Start making moves You asked me From when I decided To leave To learn Arabic Until I actually left Right Yeah So I remember I had A pretty good job But then I Ended up not having that job And it was like March So it was a Six month gap Where I was like What should I do man And then I was One day I was sitting In a message That was like Summer August And then A brother was like Bro why don't you go to Egypt To learn Arabic So I was like What you mean bro Like what you mean He said You know I was there For six months in Alexandria And all of that I was like Okay so Tell me more you know So we started to sit down And he explained me like That's how you do it That's where you go That's where you don't go And all of that I was like Okay let me think Let me think about that And I went home To my Somali mother She was like No man You're not going You're not going So I was like I had to Like sweet talk her And explain her Listen this is something I really have to do If I want to go to Medina And study This is something That is connected to it She said No I had to go to my auntie And then she Sweet talked her sister You know what I'm saying But nowadays She's like Alhamdulillah I'm so happy That you took that step And she sees now That it's easier for me To live here Knowing the Arabic language You know Okay so Is that brother who told you That he was in Alexandria Was that Hanif No no no That was in Switzerland That was a brother named Adnan And Allah protect him He's Bosnian Okay because the first The first year I mean I actually Learn Arabic in Alexandria Not in Cairo So I was there You went to Isbah? Yeah I went to Isbah Exactly Yeah I even worked there I was at the secretary For like a second year So Good So in terms of Okay once you have You Okay actually you learn Okay you learn in Egypt So what was the method What was the method The method they used to To study To study So I went to And I I let them explain When I came to Egypt I went to a A Qariya called I don't know if you heard about that But it's not even It's not far from A Shekhraslan's place So I was there for the first 7 weeks And that's where I met Hanif But To answer your question It was a village And now I come from a city So I didn't really feel The vibe كنت أشعر أنني لم أشعر كيف يمكنني أن أخبر أصدقائي لكي أشعر بشكل أفضل أحصلت ثلاثة morning in Cairo أعلم أنني لم أعرف أحد فقط أني أخبرتي، أخبرتي، أخبرتي وأخبرتي أني أخبرتي أني لم أعرف أحد أخبرتي ثلاثة morning فهذا الشخص كان هنا لكن أنت still like you know like I'm in a new country لا تصنعوا الناس بشكل أشعر لا أكون أسلحا لا تحاولوا الجنان من الناس من الأنية لذا لا فهذا الأمر كنا نروح عاملنا تمتر هذا الشخص ليس أكيد أم discovery أنه كان مناقش انني ليس أكيد أنه كان مناقش أنه كان مناقش وأخبرتي كما كان قام مناقش فقلت جدا هذا كان جدا ويdal مع أخبرتي أخبرتي أنا أخبرتي أني كان أخبرتي ولم أنني أخبرتي وهذا شيء الذي في البداية ستكون لديك سيكولوجيا هل أنت صحيح enough؟ هل أنت حقا؟ لأن الناس يريدون أن يجدوا المعرفة أريد أن أكون هذا و أريد أن يكون هذا ولكن once you are confronted and you have no way out it shows who you are لذا أعتقد أن هذا كان مهم جداً للمشاهد من الناس who actually seek to go ولكن ما كانت your main question أخي؟ لذا أعلم في مركز بردر أعلم أنهم لديهم خلال أحاولاً أعاني مركز بردر وشيخ علي موسك و أعلم لذا بسيكي المؤسسة كانت what was the method of of of them teaching you know the method they use نعم في مركز بردر أتذكروا أنهم لديهم بك from إمام سعود مهد بوك جامة إمام سعود which is in رياب مي I never joined the مركز because the قاعدة was the rule was it had to be six people minimum to start a new مستوى so I was there for seven weeks and not like no six people showed up so I was like we went to Cairo مي حنيف another brother we visited another brother and then I saw Cairo was city life you had a lot of opportunities you had like stores everywhere and I'm from the city so I was like man this is nice man I want to be out here you know and then I went back to مركز بردر I played this and then I moved to Cairo and in Cairo I joined Ibaneh so to come back to your question Ibaneh has their own books which are very good they have very good books so I started I went there to sign up and he told me I should not do مقدمة I should start with مهدي which is the second level if you want to if you want to name it like that so they start with like conversation basic words basic تصريف you know which was very nice in my opinion and that's my own opinion it was a little bit too slow because it was class work but it the curriculum is very good for somebody who has time to be there Ibaneh is my opinion the best best مركز you can go so they had their own books they would go every day through a story through words he would write down all the words he would write down all the تصريفات he would try to explain to you what is a قلم he would do like قلم and he would write with it you know so Mashallah they have a very good طريقة Egyptian Mashallah they are born teachers no definitely so let me refute your statement just right now right how many مركز you can go to in Egypt I went to only Ibaneh like an official mark as only Ibaneh so how can you say he is the best one then because I knew people from فرقان I knew people from كلمة I knew people from فجر and I've seen what they do and I was like from what Ibaneh gives you and this is by the way for a person that understands Arabic like he doesn't come with zero I'm talking from my perspective for people that come because if you come with nothing I think like something like كلمة or like I don't know private teaching maybe is better because you need to start with that's something else you know what I mean I tell you that because my wife she actually she graduated from the whole curriculum of Ibaneh and before that she did you know كتوب العربية بين يديك like 6 مستويات في الإسباح so because of that Ibaneh was good but then my sisters in law they came to Ibaneh from zero and it was just it was just a complete mess but that's why I wanted to that's a good reputation bro so what I wanted to say is that you mentioned that point because many times a lot of brothers they misunderstand like for example at the time I was in Egypt for example there was a lot of brothers when we were in الإسباح they didn't even know Arabic yet and they were thinking let's go with you know let's go to مركس باذر you know we're gonna seek knowledge there and they was like they don't even have Arabic look at where you are right now you are benefiting from it just learn Arabic and take step by step what you need to do it's a little Yemen there it's a little like a little Mauritania and sometimes it's about a lot of students when they start up their studies it's about the hype what everyone is doing they don't have books that they need to go through before they even try and go to a شيخ or try to learn this book or it's a big problem for example another brother a French brother he was in a long time ago and he didn't know Arabic and he used to tell me every time they will open I want to start this book but you don't even know Arabic will you jump steps basically so that was a really nice point that you mentioned but yeah it happened to me as well when I was in Aisbah and I went to visit Cairo and I was like I'm from Barcelona so I've lived in Paris I've seen New York all of the main cities you feel like and there's a lot of opportunities for people who are wanting to go to Egypt I think Cairo is the best place you have all of these different choices in terms of Marrakes you can try out you start 3 months here 3 months there if you don't like it the difference I can do the مقارنة بين I can compare between Medina and Egypt in Egypt if you go with your own money if you go with your own جهد you can choose I go to Ibana for this we used to have we probably heard about him أستاذ محمود الشافعي he was the best he ever had so far so you can organize yourself as you want you can be like this year I'm going to memorize the Quran the next year I'm going to finish the مركز the third year I'm going to start to see so you can go by your own pace as if in Medina when you come the first Dars in the محد is هادة كتابن و هادة مسجد you better know what هادة means and what مسجد means because we're not going to tell you what هادة we're not going to break it down what that's حرف الها nobody's going to tell you that everybody's expecting you you know what I'm saying so in Egypt you can do a تأسيل and he's a cheap country I remember my roommate he was an Egyptian he was a doctor in لغة if I had an issue I would knock at his door like explain me why is he a Marfour and why is he a Mansour and he would he would explain you he would explain you oh lord so he would explain you it's not that you don't have it here in Medina but in Egypt it's just your pace man you have no pressure so I mean again this is not for everyone you know some people they are used to academic whole organized studies like me I got to a point right now where I feel like I am able to do that right now but when I got to Egypt but I couldn't I couldn't do that I was living in brothers and I was sitting there writing with 5 books open I wish I was self disciplined like that where you just say okay I need to achieve this and so I'm just going to go and do it when I hear people like I taught Arabic myself I would be like how can you teach Arabic yourself right now I understand because I have all what I need to do that or I memorized the Qur'an by myself but I couldn't I couldn't visualize that but yeah definitely Cairo and Medina that's what I always hear Medina you kind of I mean depending on how as well how you are in Medina because I know some students when we were in Egypt they would just leave to Medina and just sleep wherever they slept I don't know in the mastery or whatever and they would just study in the mastery but in terms of going to the Jamia and everything you got to be follow the curriculum I guess yeah and you got to build your life outside of the Jamia you know what I'm saying like okay I'm going to take this Dars in Haqeeda يوم الاربعان خميس then I'm going to take maybe a Halak of Qur'an which is every day of the Asr and then you got homework and then you got a revise in Egypt is I'm going to do Qur'an that's my day you know what I mean I wake up maybe I go Egypt is late I miss Egypt a lot yeah me too I think it's the best place as you said to man up and to become mature in terms of life and in terms of knowledge and everything it's definitely a good place it's a lot of bad but a lot of good at the same time it's just a crazy feeling and coming to feelings you know over the period that you was focusing only on Arabic like what was your feelings like in the beginning in the middle and at the end so in the beginning I just felt like okay you got to deal with a lot of person an issue you got to you can see people they like they like violate your boundaries Switzerland is a very conservative country people is like you know they quiet in the bus you don't hear nobody talk so when you go to Egypt you got 8 year old kids screaming around and selling bread and I was like okay you know that's life on the bike with the big old with the big old bread yeah right so that part it depends on how you take it if you're like that's it I want to change so you're going to appreciate everything that happens to you because you're going to add it in your bag of experience but if you come where like you know I need a bathroom that is like that and I need a kid you're going to get a very hard smack in your face so Alhamdulillah I took it as a challenge for my own self so I used to go out as I told you in the beginning I had 7 weeks where I had no school so I used to go out in Egypt and very open people so I was just like they ask you they always ask you like I don't know so I used to be Switzerland and then that's how conversation would start how you Swiss I was raised there and they would correct me they would tell me you don't say it like that and then I would ask them what's the meaning of I don't know like a glass they would tell me or whatever so I challenged my own self because I was like I can't just wait the people that tell me okay now you can start to learn Arabic I have to do something for my own and that's in the beginning then when I moved to Cairo it started actually like when I went to Cairo I saw Stat Mahmoud El Shafir this guy he just changed my this guy he's very confident he has a strong voice and he knows the Arabic language he's not like a guy that has a check sometimes no he knows so when I saw him I looked at him and I was like I want to know the logo like him man he looks very firm and he used to quote and he used to quote and he used to quote a lot of stuff I was like masha'Allah and I changed to Ibana and moved to Cairo and I started from the first day I started to go to his Ajrumiya classes just to to understand just to add because in the beginning you really have time you don't have a lot of things to do I used to go there I used to stay at Ajrumiya not understanding a lot but I used to get like an expression how he expresses when he uses which words in what context that's how I learned languages by the way my way of learning languages is a little weird but this is how this is how I've learned that was my middle part and then towards the end when I was able to like masha'Allah I can get myself around by myself I don't need no it felt great I felt accomplished and I'm saying like I feel good man it's very important for a man to be somewhere and you're able to express yourself that was one of my main struggles if you can't express yourself it's very hard because you're trying to tell people something in a way you want them to understand and they're like what is he talking about I know it makes sense in my mind but I can tell you how many moments do you have throughout the process in terms of learning that every language a lot especially in نحو I remember so the next couple of days they took the muthanna you know so he said I was like a dumma you know he told us a couple of days what is he asking he said they were very strong in إعراب so it was I was like is somebody going to tell him that he's wrong right now because he just said and then he explained and I was like okay this is not just it's it's okay you really need to memorize that you can't just be like it's not just so that was I came up with my mind but I had a lot definitely I mean mainly when you have different languages in your mind it does a lot of things connect okay so what are the books you had daily throughout your journey of learning that every language if you had always with you I would say that's something that was with me a lot of times then I would say the Quran with the with the color with the word on the side or the the orange little book yeah let me you know the typical the Syrian one I thought you was talking about that little orange is a dictionary of the Quran or something like that but yeah you know which one I'm talking about the little yeah yeah yeah okay so what about give us a little bit of context of the the from what I know which is a little is that is a طالب from the match he basically took أجرومية he made a like I say that yeah I know yeah exactly so it's that blue and red one yeah now by the way they have also like the heart cover they have it too so he broke it down he made it very good he made like with like وابلواو and this and that and he gives you the different the حالات of the رفع and he makes a جدوة and at the end of the he gives you like some like a type of حوا another حوا like you got to fill the blanks like a quiz kind of thing yes exactly okay so it's basically for those who don't know is like أجرومية basically like an explanation of yes but أجرومية is like يعني if you opened up شيخ عذامين's book is very heavy like you know there's a lot and this he made it like it's you know it's for somebody that just started it's very good to get a taste of نحو okay الحمد لله so so obviously I was going to say rate your Arabic conversational skills from 1 to 10 without being humble I don't like that stuff بسر خلاص عشرة يعني لا I would say 9.5 I can't be عشرة because when I hear like مشايخ hear that are strong and like I gotta step my game up this is not real Arabic that I speak but I would say from the time period that I put the work in till now comparing myself and I don't like to do that I like to compare myself and especially like this type of things with the people that are better than me but comparing myself with the عموم that is here right now I would say 9.5 الحمد لله like when you hear what happened to me when I went to to visit شخرة سلان at that time I was like okay I know I understand Arabic I know how to speak Arabic I went to his خدب I was like I don't understand Arabic still like I need to go back but yeah definitely type so so ما كانت الدروس التي كنت تحب الأكثر جماعة أو خاص بنسبة أنا أقول أن الدروس الخاصة أستفيد أكثر لماذا لأنه تستطيع أن تمشي بسرعةك يعني ما تنتظر مثلا الأخة الفلاني حتى يفهم أن المعرب لها حالات فأنت فهمتها بعد ممكن شرح واحد فتقول ماشي نستمر فبنسبة أنا أفضل هذا لكن فيه فوائد مثلا أحيانا أنت ما تفكر عن سؤال معيني ويأتي هذا الفلان ويسأل سؤال تقول هذا السؤال جيد ما جاءني هذه الفكرة على حسب شخصيتك لكن بنسبة أنا الخاص فبنسبة أنك أحيانا أحيانا أفضل لأن أعتقد أن في البداية أنك أفضل لأنك تشعروا ماذا نفعل لكن once you are on your pace you just need to keep going I can't really stop it but it does benefit a lot when someone asks a question so thanks for asking yes so what would you say or at least for you what is the hardest thing or the hardest part of learning the Arabic language I wouldn't I don't see a hard part because it depends for what you are doing let's say you are doing it for business or you are doing it just to learn a language you might run into I can do this back home but if you are doing it for your own purpose to understand your religion to do that I don't see how it is going to become hard the only hard part that I can imagine that people would have is coming from China and you just got the whole culture just changed but it wasn't for me like that so for myself I didn't see no hard parts to be honest yeah in Egypt is the first time like brothers from Japan and China are you speaking Arabic so the last two questions the first one is how of an impact has had the Arabic language in your life and how is your life different now yeah a great impact I remember praying in Egypt I moved to Alexandria after 6 months to a just for Quran and I remember near the buffer yeah 1.21 yeah yeah so I was there and I remember yeah yeah yeah and I was like yeah so I remember in Cairo my teacher was like I was like man like really so I left to Alexandria and I remember the Quran I advise a lot of people people sleep on that the Quran opens up a lot like it gives you the Quran opens up your tongue if you speak in Arabic if you read it a lot is a miracle what happens when you really stick to Quran so once you started to understand the Quran I remember you have people don't learn the Qiraat memorizing Shatibi so that environment and once you started to understand the man of the ayah you feel like in Salah the whole Salah changed the whole prayer changed you just feel like I ask Allah that I'm not one of them I ask Allah that I'm one of them you really feel that in Salah yeah that as a Muslim yes and that as a Muslim that's the Muslim that's the go back to our religion if you don't have that connection when you actually understand you might you're going to live a healthy Muslim life but you're not really going to feel the Quran and that's very important that little that sweetness of the faith having faith now so it changed my life a lot it changed my life a lot so how was there anyways how long do you stay there for I was there for 6 months when I went there I was reading like I was reading not confident I had no I didn't know how to read so I went there for 6 months it was the roughest experience that I haven't made but it was the best experience that I haven't made you need to imagine like a message we used to sleep on a second floor like 400 people the Ramadan was like 500 people and outside of the Ramadan was like 250 to 350 you had like when 100 people wanted to sleep 150 would it when 300 people were sleeping you had like 80 people snoring you know what I'm saying if we had the fan little thing on the wall and it was so hot we had the mosquito net it was such a rough experience but it made me step down from I became very humble I started to like really if you want to have success in life you got to feel you got to go through this because when you read about that this experience they had to go to a hardship to taste the sweet you know what I mean so I was there for 6 months and I went there and I only say this in this interview because I want to benefit other people I would never mention it and I was able to finish the whole Quran in 6 months so it is possible 2 pages a day 2-3 pages I reached the average of like 6 pages because you're doing it from Fajr until you go to sleep you don't do nothing else in the beginning you struggle other than going to the Bahra empty all mind even that in the beginning I don't have time and then people introduce you to the Bahra that's nice I should come here I wanted to ask you because all of this because I was thinking right now because of me because I always thought about I'm just going to go to the last school but then I was married so you know it's kind of like that sticky situation so all of this you know journey that you explained to us was it as a punishment yes it was as a punishment and I know for people who don't understand as a single man yes yes I did that journey as a single man and the journey as a single man is different I used to see it with brothers when I'm married I need to go get groceries really you got to do that every day but you know what you're talking about it's definitely different but I know brothers they were living out there rented an apartment for like $20 or $40 a month and they used to live out there with their wives so it's possible but it's definitely different you don't sleep in that environment you go back to your home cook food which is very beautiful but it's not as the same I imagine the brother who's married he comes down in the morning looking fresh looking good it was good it was rough mosquitoes used to they used to destroy you if you had like your foot out of the mosquito net your foot was gone the next morning and they feel like that Switzerland blood oh that's Disney okay so last last question is what would you give us an advice to the person that acknowledges the importance of learning the Arabic language however he didn't start yet for whatever reason I can only speak from a man perspective and I would say a man has to experience he has to do these things I respect brothers that did the work back home but for a man that grew up especially in the west you got to go and get it you got to have that mentality you got to go and get it not suffer in a bad way but like you got to experience that you got to experience that you got to go there I made my best friends now I met them in Egypt you know what I mean so if you want to seek knowledge there is no way you are going to go around the Arabic language even if you are from England you are from America you are in every other book you are never going to be able to understand the dean of Allah unless you give time and respect to the Arabic language and what I used to hear from the مشaikh they say the stronger you are in Arabic language the stronger you are going to become in religious matters whatever it's just usul so I would advise to the man in a very like I'm not trying to challenge people but man up and do it because it's only going to benefit you even if you stop later on as I know a lot of brothers they had private issues they had to stop this journey they took a lot of experiences as a man as how to raise a family as how to create business all of that you learned that through that journey because you are on your own so I advise the brothers to do it to go to Egypt because it's from pricing way the price and the quality you get I never heard from a better place so just do it man just do it as Nike says yeah that's right okay الحمد لله شكرا لك I'm glad that I have I wouldn't say actual students of knowledge but just people people that are living it basically to make sure that because a lot of people I receive messages of people who will be like please keep finding brothers and sisters who will be through the process it motivates people and even myself I can say that when I was starting out the same you said a brother when I was in friends told me oh why don't you go to Egypt to study I was like Egypt what am I about to do in Egypt I was thinking about studying Arabic here or whatever so yeah definitely traveling as the share of Imam Shafiq and I'm going to quote it because I didn't even memorize it but it has 5 for wide in general that's the point that I'm trying to make it has a lot of for wide the fact of traveling so yeah man thanks for this interview I appreciate it and hopefully we meet soon with the brother Hanif ان شاء الله he got to come and make umrah bro I got you so now I know I have a door where to sleep when I go there yeah bro just yesterday his brother came for umrah and he slept in my bed ان شاء الله ان شاء الله okay so السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله