 if I'm considering in participating or starting my own local jam give me one reason why I should do it because you won't be the same afterwards so if you want to challenge yourself I think and particularly for the government people if anyone's listening because that's my crowd um I think the jam builds innovators not innovations so while the prototypes are amazing and the things we come up with sometimes are taken forward what it does is it equips you to go and make change in other parts of your life as Ezekiel said that could be your personal um career it could be just doing your job differently so I think if you want to be challenged and learn in a way that you've never learned made some deep connections with people and go and approach life differently you should come to the jam. Oh man Paola you're you're you're going to have a hard time come on let's start with Ezekiel. I'm uh I'm doubting you should join a jam why should I join a jam um I I think it's the most rewarding experience you can have as a service designer because that's that's the the place you learn that this is for everybody like everybody can learn from this everybody can have different ways to think about their problems and how to solve them and I also believe it's like this huge huge huge um community that wants you to be part of something and wants you to learn I think the learning part for the host is amazing um because you guys connected to different people from Australia from Miami with Adam with Natasha with Marcus they have so much experience and you just get in a network that you never want to live sounds good Ezekiel what would you say give me one reason why I should jam oh my god um I think coming to the jam will uplift you inspire you and transform you um that's quite a promise man Adam you're you're last in line there's usually food it's a good reason to go I was waiting for that answer but I think I think um if you are in your life like I am and you're looking at things around you and you're looking at the way things are done the way that work days are organized the way that things are set up in your life and you think there's got to be a better way than this you know I'm hating this meeting there's got to be a better way this project sucks there's got to be a wet better way my environment my city it's not working completely there's got to be a better way you know then go to a jam and you'll find a whole bunch of alternatives you may hate some of them you may love something or there'll be a mix of loads actually but you will come out equipped with other ways to approach problem solving and creation in your life and I think that's super valuable Marina Paranetta another great jammer she says there are 52 weekends in a year you know one of them can be for a jam