 Welcome to Toffy TV, it is the footy show daily. I've been giving you little daily bites of what's going on in football, certainly around the whole COVID-19 situation. There's been quite a few developments today on this. Just when football seemed like it was taking that major step to come back, it feels like today we're just a couple of bits of news that it may have taken a major step backwards. Ligo is done and dusted. The government has stepped in in France and said there will be no football this season during the summer and will not be back till probably September. That's huge isn't it? One of the top five leagues. The first top five league to cancel it. Big thing, big decision. Obviously PSC were 12 points clear in that league as well. So it's on favour to win it. And it's been cancelled. League earned and league do. So that's done. I'm just wondering who's going to follow suit. We know that. Seria, one of the ministers has come out and said there's no guarantee we're going to resume. Having said that they were thinking of it during the second. Spain has been nothing. There's been no real... No real appetite because they are locked on. There's been a lot stricter. So there's been no appetite from them. We know the Dutch league had already been called. The Belgium league is somewhat up in the air because it seemed like it's finished. But it seems now it's more like in moth balls. They're talking of having a vote early in May to decide what's going on. And I know you wait for a look for justification from these leagues as well, which is mad, isn't it? Watch your justification mate. See all those people who've died. That's our justification. So it all seems like this could be one of the first major steps. Someone like France and with the power of someone like PSG and the power of having what's behind PSG. I feel like that can sort of be a big start of maybe a couple of leagues in your... I mean the thing with that is the government have talked to Steph again. Like the Dutch government did wasn't necessarily it. No, no, but what I mean by that is that the fact that they don't really seem like they've got any say in it. PSG have got no say in this with that power means that a lot of other governments might just go you know what I'm going to ask about what you think should be happening, where putting our foot, where it's in this country, it feels like certainly when the Premier League was shut down the Premier League were waiting for the government to make a decision and the government were like, we don't know where we stand illegally and then God bless him Michael Arteta made the decision for us. No, well it's right, isn't it? Arteta was the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak in terms of getting the games cancelled. We wanted to play those games that weekend and that happened and then we stopped playing and we're doing it again at me. Everything we're reading points towards the Premier League coming back. We've seen Arsenal, West Ham and Brighton I think it is, a training again, albeit doing social distancing and everything. We've seen Spades in the park with a couple of players here and there. But they're open again, so they're doing that. One of the government ministers yesterday said they've been speaking with the Premier League, they want to back him in June. They're talking to television channels, it's going to be free to air, to watch them and yet you've got the situation today, this is a major thing today that France have come out and said that's it, it's done. I don't know whether, I mean you mentioned something before off air when we were chatting and it was like the more leagues that go down, the better for the Premier League. The Premier League is all eyes on us. And that to me is scandalous. What's happening at the moment though is that I think is a reflection of how the whole thing has been done here. Is that in other countries I genuinely feel like they're taking it more seriously whereas here I just don't feel like we're getting portrayed, like we're taking this, like don't get me wrong there's measures in place, I'm not talking about that. But in other countries like Spain, like the lockdown is like you can't go outside, you can't exercise, whereas here it's like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Greg's is opening back up this week and there's queues outside being queuing and you know you go to Tesco and you've got like the staff coming right up to you and you know what I mean, it's like you know the countries that was, there's like Italy and France in those countries, they're like there's zero tolerance in this country. It's like well yeah if you want to go out you can go out, just use a favour and sit on the grass. Like you know what I mean, it's like it doesn't feel like, here it doesn't feel like anyone's actually taking the lead and now we're seeing that with the Premier League. It's a bit like go ahead, start up again, whatever happens. You sort it out though. Not like, we're thinking France, you know France clearly have gone, it's just not going to be any football. And I just wonder where they're, like you've just said there, I wonder now where Spain will go and Italy will go. Well you know what because they've done it because another thing that's come out today you wait for one to know by the 25th of May what's happening, right? So if France are not competing this year and they're not going to finish the season off, then that'll allow Italy and Spain let's say to say, well they've already decided and we're going to follow them and you wait for it just going to have to deal with that because that means that Paris Saint-Germain won't be able to play in the Champions League. That's supposed to be getting finished this season, if you think because how can they, how can they have that gap? But then more importantly for next season, if France just say now the top four or we'll go with whatever the points per game is, that system you wait for one to, so we're going to implement that. Holland or the implement is something, Belgium or the implement is something, if Italy and Spain decide we'll use a very, you wait for will have to back down them won't they really? If enough lee, and this is what I'm saying about almost like the answer to the situation was if enough people decide that they're going to make the decisions on behalf of you wait for it, you wait for haven't got anywhere to go because I think that the arguments so far has been, you wait for have been like no, we want the Champions League, we want the Champions League next season, so we want these leagues to be finished, so we've got a proper Champions League next season, where there's now the leagues, if France could be, if that's the first one, they're saying well our top four is our top four, they're going in the Champions League next season, Holland are saying well the teams that are qualified last season will be in this season, Belgium said our top two or whatever it is will be in the Champions League, Italy and Spain might follow. If it's not finished. I think personally I think I think for the Europa and the Champions League places, it's points per game. Now that's different from who the champion is. Liverpool, if he didn't in this country right now, Liverpool would be our top team in next year's Champions League, doesn't mean that the champions. You will, you'll get an asterix won't you? Big asterix. Asterix FC, that's fine. No, but they get something which is, because they desire to get something, because they're going up. Nice plate. It is, that's all they're concerned of, UEFA is the Champions League places, they're not bothered about it. Premier League and other European leagues have been given till May 25 by UEFA to provide plans to restart this season. Well France quite clearly aren't doing that now. Football and Government bodies issue guidelines to all 55 associations after an agreement last week. That qualification for next year's Champions League in Europa League must be decided on sporting merit from this season. And we've seen this haven't we? And we spoke about this when we did it I think on Friday. The only difference in this country with the placings at the top end of the table is that Sheffield United go back above Wolves. So Sheffield United will qualify because automatically Wolves will have to go into qualification. Well if the FA Cup isn't played, which I doubt it can be played, Wolves will get the F that place. So it sort itself, the only difference is Wolves would have to go qualifiers, but I can't see how you can have qualifiers. How could you have that many qualifiers for the Europa League? Well then Wolves can't get any. I know that's what I'm saying, imagine how many qualifying games you have. So what they say then that's mad isn't it? That's what I'm saying, it's so much like like it's an absolute mine field isn't it? And now UEFA would be better and UEFA would be better saying we're bringing in that new third competition next season. I know that they probably can't, but that's what they should do. Well on top of that we've got FIFA medical chairman, medical committee chairman Michael Dehu saying he doesn't believe football should return until September 1. Some leagues including Germany's Bundesliga could be back in action as early as May which is essentially a week on Saturday is what the day Dave said which is May 9. I mean the thing with Germany is and why they use the comparison with the UK. Germany's got 83 million population 6,000 deaths, UK's 68 million 20,000 deaths. Some leagues including Germany's Bundesliga could be back. The games will be behind closed doors. Project Restart will see the Premier League behind closed doors in June. France have obviously abandoned their season following on a similar decision from the Netherlands. But the Hoos opinion is that it's too early to consider players coming into contact with one another at least while social distance and regulations are in place. And even that significant levels of testing for the coronavirus will not be enough. The world is not ready for competitive football. I hope this can change very quickly and I sincerely hope that. Today you need more patience. You told Brian Swanson of Sky. This is the most dramatic situation we've ever lived in since the Second World War. We should not underestimate it, we should be realistic. Football can only be possible if contact is possible again. Football remains a contact sport and avoiding contact is one of the first things everyone sees that you should do is to avoid contact. It's all about social distancing, testing is important but you have to repeat them. One of the players becomes positive, you have to put the whole group back into quarantine. Is that a solution for normal competition? It's not a money, it's a matter of life or death. You also cannot ask players to play football in masks which is one of the things. I mean one of the things I don't understand and might just be me is that if these players are tested and the negative how are they going to become positive? I don't know but what if one of them is positive and you have to and then you let's just say for now one player is ill, comes out after the game is ill. Every single person on that pitch and who have been within them. That means that if that's two teams that means that those two teams' fixtures would all be thrown out the window for two weeks. I know what your point is is absolutely valid of saying if you're getting tested but what if one just slipped through the net? I suppose what someone would say to me with that question is that's fine because if you've tested players living in quarantine anyway yeah but if those players are allowed to return home but I'm someone just for the forget about the spread I'm someone for the game of footy but what I'm saying to you is if I test evidence on a Saturday morning I don't know how quick you can do these tests by the way how quick you can get the results but just for the basic I test evidence Saturday morning you test Liverpool Saturday morning we put the test together everyone's negative so that game can go ahead yeah and that's how the games are then a player shouldn't really be able to test positive because but then if they're going home to the families then maybe that's I'm not talking about the fact of if someone tests positive then all their games are going to have to be called off no, we know that but just in terms of just a sporting element then that's just going to it's what I think that this fella obviously knows a lot more than we do but what I'm saying is this fella's looking at if he's looking at from a football point of view going we start in competition and then you might have to stop after like a couple of weeks and then what's the knock-on effect you keep going for another couple of weeks so do you think that's why they talked about the football village then because you can't get if you're negative but this fella obviously knows more than we do so he obviously knows the test and might be to the point where you know or is he thinking my point of them going back to the families no I know but I'm not talking about families I'm talking about a game of football as in fixtures you're missing what I'm saying no I'm not you're talking about spreading it out time spreading it to them to bring back into the game that's my point if you've got 20 I don't think as far as I'm aware 30 you honestly think football is going to live in a football village for two months but I'm saying to you is that what do you think that's what people's concerns are with these players getting because as far as I'm aware if me and you both test negative and we live in here we're not just going to develop coronavirus so if this was a hotel and it had just use your evidence and live a pool in it and we're all negative then that game can be played because no one's going to give it to anyone at the because you can't get it from nothing you have to get it from someone who's infected this one's stupid right what if there's a game getting played at a stadium and someone sneezes outside and they've got it and the wind blows it inside like that sounds stupid but what if that's the way they think can that cause you to be infected by it though we don't know what if someone's outside and they sneeze just as some fellow who's going inside do you know what I mean like I know that sounds stupid but there's always are we ever going to be free of that though when there's a I suppose what he's saying is September is when we're going to possibly have a but even if there's a vaccine we'll still be able to spread it won't we so we might never get to that maybe no but if there's a vaccine it becomes a treatable disease doesn't it at the moment it's not a treatable disease I'm not saying that you'll play by the way I'm just saying if you get coronavirus it's in the hands of your own body there's no medical treatment they put you on a ventilator to help you breathe which helps you breathe your lungs but you're on your own so it should at the end of the day these people like him he doesn't give a monkey about he doesn't care about who finishes where he cares his job is medical to look after people whether they fit on whether it be like a head injury or whatever his job is to give the best science advice to UEFA and he's obviously come out he's FIFA isn't he so therefore you wonder how much weight his opinion carries if his opinion carries a lot of weight then surely people need to look at that and go well we can't really go against that medical advice there'll be other there'll be other medics who come out and go well if this is we're testing these players three times a week and they're clear every time then they're able to play football so how can they, they can't get it because you can't get it unless you're infected, someone's infected comes into contact with you then to me the only way this could actually even be a thing at the moment is it an Olympic type village I don't know where that exists how that exists and that's the problem isn't it but I know that football clubs they all want it back the clubs want it back because of the money as you mentioned there May 25th is when UEFA have set a deadline for them to get but there's a Premier League meeting this Friday on the Arl Zoom we've not really had much out of these meetings of what's being discussed we might know a little bit more whether that appetite is there still obviously France might have thrown a massive spanner in the works by doing this today I was just trying to see if there was anything Spain but nothing from Spain at the moment Spain are in a complete lockdown I don't think it's entering their minds but it won't have to like any business it will probably enter the league's mind but isn't that coming down to what as I said earlier how people perceive it and in places like Spain and Italy I think they're perceiving it a lot worse than what we and clearly America perceive it we almost look at it like it's an inconvenience in this country some people, not all of us some of us understand it very serious but I think some people just see it as an inconvenience and that's the stuff that's coming out of America now for the people who want to get back to work it's almost like it's an inconvenience it's not like a deadly illness that could kill a lot of people or has killed a lot of people or has been seen as an inconvenience in places like Spain and Italy they're seeing it as a genuine thing and they have their countries that have a lot of probably all the populations as well and maybe have a different way of life where all the people live with younger people and that kind of thing but they're looking at it and Kevin Radcliffe's living in Spain he said absolutely it is a complete lockdown and it's still is they've just come out with saying next week you can go for some exercise where is it? You don't have to say it on the news it's like be like kids out of your life at the first time Exactly so I don't even think the idea of going back to football has entered their conscience because Italy are loosening up but you can go out but you can't leave your region so little things like that is going to start happening so we've all perceived it very different and I think in this country Do you think they should just come out and scrap it till August, September? I think they should do whatever is in the best interest for everybody's health not take chances or go well this might happen or it might not happen I don't know what that is because as I said I think in this country we're almost being told I know it's you're being bombarded with stuff but I still see when I see things of like oh Greggs are opening up this week it's like what it's like thousands are dying but what I mean by that sorry just to quantify that is like in other countries you're getting told a plan step by step this is going to open and then this is going to open in this country it's like oh Greggs are opening aren't we in a lockdown and then the government go there's no mixed messages well how can there not be mixed messages when you're telling us all that there's still a lockdown and yet some places are starting to open up again well the only reason they shut is because it was sort of recommended do we, told to shut and that's what I'm saying you know you said to me yesterday being past that chip here down the road it's always open, it's always a cue out of the blue that's what I'm saying it's like here it's like but Scotland of the first UK country today they've come out to say that potentially should wear a mask now when you're going food shopping because it's an enclosed space not when you're outside and it's in the open spaces of course but in enclosed spaces maybe you should be wearing a mask maybe that's for things, for some businesses maybe that's the way forward if people are just going to shop and they're like to Greggs for me I think the government should be saying no, oh it wouldn't be greater football come back I think what they should be saying is if we get to this point to be fair they can only come back when these five things have met that's one of the things one of the five things three of them have been met but essentially it's death dropping and new cases they're two of the five the rate of infection is less than one per person but that's all amazed though they're like first wave things other countries are looking at this as as a second wave and they're saying if football comes back then all these other things will help the second wave and I think that's the way looking at it is almost like let's get back to normal if there's a second wave because once people get back together people will get ill and it will never be as big as the first one but people will get ill and what that guy from FIFA is saying is if there's no footy then September we can start again I think that's what France is saying as well why are we like this might be really simplistic and you might go that's because they're all stupid or whatever but just in my thing why aren't we just saying listen lockdown's still due nothing again because isn't it surely if the longer we have lockdown it's just getting rid of it yet New Zealand and over the next week New Zealand have said they've eradicated because they went into lockdown before they even had cases so if we we're throwing the dice you've eaten a lot more than me I tend to just blanket it now because you know what I'm like the news anyway it's grim but surely if we're all on lockdown for a longer period we're not going to get new cases we're just staying away from each other there's less chat so why can't they do that can't they just come out and go you're on lockdown till June 15 because we want to keep all see all you people we want to keep you alive I think they could do that the problem is that people like we've said loads of times will almost just get bored football is just I just feel like it's doing it all doing it all but it is a separate entity but it is and I've said this before in other countries France being the first one it's just said it's not like they're basically saying why is this even a conversation shut the government then without this it's not going to go political shut the government just make the decision for them then shut the government just come out and go we followed health guidelines I think they should because that's what's happened in France they won't because the simple fact is they're terrified it's why they let Cheltenham go ahead it's why they were prepared to let the Premier League go ahead it's why they let the five nations go ahead they are absolutely terrified of the people who run those organisations the whole country is this isn't political because this is where probably it was ever in government look at it and go these people put all this money in and then where is in France which is a country that has a much more important trade unions we know what France is like if the people decide on something the country shuts down where is this country we are dictated to by large companies let me say this then let me ask you this without being commanding a petition if there was a petition excuse me to sign a petition should Premier League football retain and I don't know a million people at least signed it do you think that would have any sway with the government? I'm not 100% down for people voting in certain things no I know but what I mean I'm just saying I've seen the effects but I'm just saying something like that because if there's a large public swell for it not to retain what if there was a large what if someone said to you how many people do you think would sign a petition if it was the most gorgeous cake in the world but there was a one in ten chance that the cake would kill you how many people do you think would still eat that cake do you know what I mean there's obviously people who don't want to listen we've said this we did a video earlier about Moise Keane some people just think this thing is never going to happen or don't understand the contact thing of it I might not get it but I might pass it on to something else we've eradicated that by having a lockdown and I'm not saying football should or shouldn't come back what I'm saying is that someone needs to make a decision that actually understands not football clubs who just want football back of course there's self interest and they fully understand that but does that mean so many shops can open up do you know what I mean obviously Greg's his own so that's good for people so I don't know I just think that I do think for other countries I don't think it would be for this country I think the Premier League will go home back I think it will be back in June I don't think they'll care because the simple fact is if no one is telling them to shut down and they'll be like it's like in the first place nobody told them to shut down till Artheta got sick the government never give a decision because it won't it won't until some and I think what would happen with the Premier League would almost be like one player gets sick and they go right you're done it's just bizarre but in France they're just saying no don't be a fan in the stadium till 21 I can't see it I can't there you go lots of unpacked there do you think the government of France have made the right decision or do you think it's a bit of a knee-jerk do you expect the Premier League to come back here everyday something seems to be changing should the Premier League listen to the public on whether there's an appetite for it or should the government listen to the public rather than the Premier League I think it'll come back because I think like you said before the more eyes on it, the better that is what you thought in the comments don't forget to check out all our other videos as well subscribe if you haven't already give this video a like and if you want more videos exclusive videos longer videos join us over on page and the link is in the description see you later