 It's time for Mac KitGab and our quick tip this week comes from listener Jeff way back in episode 892 we shared the tip that if you are in spotlight on the Mac you know so command spacebar start searching. If you scroll down in the spotlight interface to a file if you hold down the command key it will show you in the spotlight interface the path to that file what folders it is in. And it also points out that if you press command return then it will open the finder window that contains that file with that file selected so you can get right to it in the finder of course if you just press return it will open the file in whatever app is built to open the file. More quick tips like this plus your questions answered today on Mac KitGab 996 for Monday August 21st 2023. Hi folks and indeed welcome to Mac KitGab the show where you send in your quick tips like that one your cool stuff found like we might talk about later in the show I think we will and your questions into feedback at Macikab.com we take your quick tips and your cool stuff found and we share them we answer your questions and we string it all together into an agenda that hopefully not only makes sense and has a flow to it but also ensures that each and every one of us are going to learn at least five new things every time we get together sometimes maybe even ten right that's what the show is about. We've got so much in store for you today and I'm stoked to get to it here in Durham New Hampshire. I'm Dave Hamilton and here in Lee, New Hampshire it's pilot Pete and speaking of flow Dave I think I'll be over in the arc to pick you up later. It's just it's pouring again it's pouring again here yeah it's crazy. This is the wet of summer I can remember and back in 97 or 98 it was pretty wet in New Hampshire but this this has been amazing. This has been something yeah the summer of 23 has not had too many dry days but it's all right we're rocking and rolling we get the podcast in the rain so it's perfect. There you go podcast in the rain. We also watch TV in the rain and listener Tony helps point out to us that we can use Siri to control our Apple TVs and he says I like to use Siri commands to pause and resume my shows he says I was having trouble forget remembering the word resume and so I use the words continue playing and that also works so you can do this with your Siri remote of course and I think it would also work if you have a home pod in the room with your TV that would also trigger the Apple TV to pause and resume it's really nice to be able to pause just by saying pause so yeah thanks for thanks for the heads up but but yeah resume and or continue playing and probably other phrases as well so you can send in your favorite favorite Siri phrases to us here at feedback at mackeycap.com feedback at mackeycap.com is what I think I heard you say Dave I said it I said it now I'm probably going to say it again at some point that's feedback at mackeycap.com oh there you just did I did just say it didn't I want to take us to the next one yeah it's it's kind of my own quick tip I like it so yeah because here's the cool thing once every now and then I get to feel like the smart guy in the room which is happens occasionally for all of us but not always yeah yeah well it's particularly difficult to do when Allison over at pod feet comms in the room agreed I agreed yeah I rarely feel like the smartest person in the room when she's there yeah she is very smart yeah exactly this came as a result of your presentation at max doc and something came up and I don't remember exactly what it was but I said well all you got to do you were talking about some application or some function within the Synology interface sure so well when you're in there all you have to do is go to that little magnifying glass up in the upper right hand corner and type the setting name or the application name that you're looking for a voila it's like its own little spotlight for Synology within the it takes your right to it so and she I blew her mind it was so much fun oh that's great yeah it yes there is a search in the Synology DSM and SRM which is the router manager oh right but it's easy to forget that it's there like you told me about this after I got off stage and I was like I knew it was there but but like I don't think to use it is the issue where the only place I use it is when searching for apps but you can also do it in like the app view you can sort of start typing in there it presents it a little more right and when you know it's when you know where the setting is or where the app is but every now and then there's a buried one I find that particularly useful and I just I was playing with a little bit last night and I was not able to find a file with it I found I still find that if I use find any file app yeah that will search your Synology drive for a file but there is also an advanced search so if it doesn't find it'll say hey go up to the upper left corner and and use the advanced search so you can start putting applying filters to your search within the Synology yeah that's right that's right yeah yeah speaking of Allison she has a tip that we've been sitting on for a little while but I think we shall sit on it no longer right she says like many in the community I had my custom domain hosted with Google right up until they were going to charge me real money and like many in the community I also have iCloud plus for which you spend real money so I moved my custom domain over to iCloud that was months ago and it recently occurred to me that I no longer have a distinct password for my custom domain email I realize and that means that my rescue email for my Apple ID is also my custom domain email which means they are one in the same and if I either one gets breached well it's just the one now I have no rescue options that's a really good point Allison says I found a dandy support article at Apple which we will link to where they show you how to change your iCloud rescue email address and you can change it she said she changed it to a third address that she maintains that is not included in her custom domain that's part of iCloud plus and now she's back to being able to sleep at night yeah I bet there's a lot of us that have gotten ourselves into this scenario without even realizing it yes go check now go check yeah yeah right over in the interstate check now or don't make sure you sign up at macgeekup.com to our weekly email which includes the show notes for the episode with all the links and then you'll be reminded to at least the link that that we have about changing your rescue email address will also show you how to see what it is and you can just confirm that it's not one in the same I think this is an oversight on Apple's part I I think if your rescue email address is part of a custom domain that you later add to iCloud it should say hey are you sure you want to do this or at least give you the option like because that it seems to be an oversight or if you have a custom email domain and you go to add an address from it to your you know as your rescue address it should pop up and say hey FYI just it's just so you know this might not be such a good idea yeah interesting Adam has some quick tips for us for iPad users some of which might even be relevant if you don't live in the United States Adam says I have an older iPad with fully updated iPad OS I just discovered that I can screenshot simply by sliding my finger from the bottom left corner of the screen towards the middle of the screen it's a little easier than pressing the home button and power button at the same time I like this yeah that's cool I don't think I've ever accidentally bumped across I don't yeah I've never yeah I like that so sliding from the bottom left towards the middle that gets you your screenshot I like this Adam and he continues for your Canadian and perhaps other international listeners in Canada YouTube does not permit picture-in-picture without a subscription however he says I just discovered that by turning on my VPN on my iPad says I use this I use PIA which you can sign up for it PIA VPN comm slash MGG and setting it to the USA now picture-in-picture works with YouTube so it's not doing it based on location services which knows more than what a VPN would would tell it it's it's literally just looking at your IP address or at least for now hopefully someone if you are part of the YouTube compliance team and you're listening to this part of the episode maybe we'll just keep this between us so that we don't get caught how's that sound right exactly yeah all right we got a couple more quick tips here I thank Arthur yeah Arthur this one's a little nerdy but it but it's a good one I mean it's not like I say that like it's bad to get nerdy I'm nerdy all the time he reminds us that you can use the Finder on Mac OS to connect to FTP servers and you do that by obviously going into the Finder starting with the Finder go to the go menu and click on connect to server or if you like your keyboard shortcuts command K and then enter the full server address with the protocol starting with FTP colon slash slash and then either the server address or its IP address like the server domain name or the IP address and you can log in as a guest or username and password whichever you like and then it the contents of that FTP server appear as a Finder window for you the one issue with this that I will point out is that Mac OS is Finder only supports read only FTP sessions it will not let you upload or write or change files on the FTP server for that you would need an FTP client like transmit is one that I use from Panic software I believe I believe Cyberduck is still Cyberduck still up and running still good bit and forklift is my that's the other one I knew the FTP client of choice yeah because it the beauty of fork and I cyberduck I think those two but I think you have to click on it forklift when I open it I'm automatically linked to the FTP server for my show it just in that way oh yeah it's like a file on my hard drive I get that with transmit to yeah okay yeah so yeah I really like that and I think you mentioned username and password once you hit that command K and put in the address of the FTP server you're going to find or will recognize it and query you for your username and password that's correct yep that's right it's and it's just like if you were connecting to say an SMB server right or if you still run it AFP like a regular sort of on network file server if you type SMB colon slash slash and the name of the machine which I like sometimes I'll say I know I want to connect to the mini office and so I'll say SMB colon slash slash mini office and then it comes up and if I don't have a username and password saved for it in my keychain it'll ask me for one and then log me in so not that the not that it means anything but I'm gonna place dump the dummy I know AFP is Apple file protocol I could not remember what does SMB stand for do you remember I it turns out that I do I believe its server messaging block yeah I don't normally know these things off the top of my head everybody you can now go on your way knowing that today and yeah I'm pretty sure that's what it means it started well my from my perspective it I was introduced to it when it was a Windows or a maybe even a DOS only protocol like it was a PC not Mac protocol right for file sharing then it got introduced to the Mac you could use it on the Mac and now it is the preferred protocol on the Mac over AFP AFP is no longer the one that Apple recommends so if you are one one piece of advice like sort of a bonus tip here if you are on a you know if you use a Synology and especially if you are backing up to your Synology with time machine SMB is going to be a whole lot more reliable for you than AFP so you would want to go into and I'm doing this off the top of my head go you know log into your Synology disk station go into the control panel file services turn off SMB sorry sorry sorry I'm saying this wrong because I'm thinking about trying to log in and show it if you're watching the video which you want to put your screen up give me a second to log in your oh come on let's get your password out there yeah yeah yeah so yeah you go into it would be control panel yep file services and then enable the SMB service go into advanced settings for SMB there is a Mac OS window there where you want to turn on the enable the VFS module to convert special Mac characters just so that you're fully supported there and then go into the AFP section of file services on your Synology and disable by unselecting like uncheck the enable AFP service box you want to do that too and then you want to go to the advanced tab of file services and enable bonjour service discovery to locate Synology NAS and within that enable bonjour time machine broadcast via SMB turn it off for AFP and and then you should be good to go I know that's a lot this will be up on YouTube if you're just listening which I know most of you are so you can see my screen as we do this and I'll ask Sadie to chop this out as a separate segment too just so it's easy to find and all that good stuff yeah I was gonna say you should memorize everything Dave just told you or go YouTube or Facebook yes yeah yeah and I was even smart enough to drop a timestamp at the beginning of that segment it felt like we were going somewhere new and so there we did and then and then we did that's correct yes so thank you for that Arthur one thing I will add to Arthur's tip is that something porthos John shared in our discord at Mackie Cub comm slash discord says that transmit is great for for connecting via FTP and being able to write right about the the read-only nature of the finder when it comes to FTP but porthos John says if you can ask the admin of the server you're connecting to to enable webdav then you can make changes from the finder because the finder supports read and write via webdav so thank you very much porthos John and he does confirm that SMB is server messaging block so thank you for that I'm not sure where it came from but I'm glad it came from somewhere you know I did it's been around for years and it's one of those things you know I don't think I ever knew what it stood for didn't care it just worked right right you my guess is you still don't care so right I don't despite asking the question and putting me on the spot so who's your buddy Dave yeah that's right so look at all that you let us down there Arthur it's great yeah I love this yeah I was just a quick tip yeah and yeah that's good I mean just a quick tip I feel like listen we put the quick tips usually put the quick tips at the front of the show because I think they're some of the best information that we share on this show I learn quite a bit just look as I am like building the agenda and therefore learning all the quick tips you folks send in I this is one of the things that keeps me on my on my toes so porthos John does take us down a little bit more of that rabbit hole which is that SMB is synonymous now synonymous yes yeah with CIFS which is the common internet file system so no synonymous means sounds the same doesn't it no means is being means the same what's means the same what's the one that it's a is it a homonym okay I'm super confused see now I don't know homonym I think is and then there's see what I did with the rabbit hole here that's my fault that one's on me folks sorry yeah yeah there you go you normally I like rabbit food but you know yeah that's right we didn't find any food in this rabbit hole Greg food for the brain Dave food for the brain well sure yeah so Greg brings us what I think is our final quick tip of the week with he says we were talking about getting to the emergency services thing and he says if you mash the home side button on your iPhone a number of times it will automatically start a 10 second countdown for an emergency services call this doubles as a great feature if your phone is about to be stolen as it will lock your phone and render face unlock useless unless you type in the pass code again so yeah yeah just make sure you stop that countdown unless you want the countdown to continue but I you pre show you said you you think it's how many times I'm pretty sure it's five times five measures on on the quote power button I guess sure as it were we'll do that or if you press and hold it I believe after a certain number of seconds it will also start into that that timer and I'm not sure stolen's the right word and that well if it's gonna if you're being forced to turn it over to somebody that you would not want to have access to your phone like they can't make you look at it yeah customs so they can't make you thumbprint it or or face ID it that sort of thing and then one other thing I noticed in there when I was playing with that quick tip Dave is that is where you can then select your emergency contacts which is what an EMT would do should they find your unconscious body on the on the street corner right you know because it's a happy day yeah and that's how you can make it happier perhaps yeah that's right yeah that's right and and from there you can verify whom you have in your contacts listed as emergency contacts all right hey while we're here today I've got something for all of us Apple enthusiasts and lifelong learners out there so we share tips all the time on the show here but you know we can we can only share so much right ever have that nagging feeling that there's even more you could do with your iPhone well iPhone life's free tip of the day newsletter serves up a tip every morning that helps you discover all those features you've been missing that Apple doesn't tell us about here's how it works you go sign up for free at iphonelife.com slash daily tips and then iPhone life sends you a one minute tip with clear steps and screenshots on topics ranging 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technically knowledgeable to install and manage a Synology NAS oh yes you are uh is there much of a learning curve for me to set it up and manage it or should i just go with a direct attached drive and before you answer i want to say yeah and i think you answer yeah there's a little bit of a learning curve but oh man there's so many cool things you can do with it with a NAS drive i i agree i if your only reason for getting one is to have a backup destination and you have no interest in going farther that's not like having it as a backup destination is a great first reason to get one but if if nothing else that a NAS does is of interest to you or you feel like you need your backups to be on something that you understand already inherently like that you know how to get stuff off of then i would i would i would say you're right with the external ssd even for me uh and i've been through a couple of restores recently i do backup everything to the the NAS because why not it's i've got plenty of storage there but i also back up to a like a time machine to the NAS i clone to an ssd connected or a hard drive depending connected to the mac and when i have had to do like full system restores lately i have gone to that direct attached hard drive first i certainly can do it from the NAS when i'm doing migration assistant the NAS actually shows up first in migration assistance list before it but it looks to see if there's something direct attached like it's right there but i don't know i like i know it's i feel like i could be very wrong about this i feel like it's going to be faster and more reliable to back to restore from a a direct attached drive than it is you know relying on the network so i could be wrong though but but just like if you're gonna do one backup and i really recommend you do at least two but if you're gonna do one i would say a hard drive is is the way to go but i do agree with you pete like if you're listening to this show we've got you you're gonna you're gonna be able to make a nas work and you're probably gonna have a lot of fun with it tips out there on youtube everywhere else on how to how to set these things up you can set your own vpn up you can run your media server off it you can share my daughter puts her homework on it instead of on google drive so i like that that's great that that i love it when my kids like are like oh yeah well i was just using the technology for that and it's like oh yeah okay yeah yeah that's warms my heart as far as normal ssds go to connect to your computer to do your backups either a carbon copy cloner or a you know a time machine backup there are lots of them i've used lots of them i i i use lots of different brands the one that comes to mind first of course is owc um they have a ton of external ssds there really what you need to do is you said you had a three terabyte drive in your iMac van um take a look at how much data you would actually be backing up because a three terabyte ssd if you can do it on a two terabyte or less ssd you're gonna save a ton of money getting up into you know four terabyte ssds or eight terabyte ssds it's not cheap right and and your and your options start to become more limited you can go with a you know a usbc ssd uh up to two terabytes thunderbolt tends to be required for the larger ones i'm not sure why but it just seems to be more common that way and then you're paying what we call the thunderbolt tax uh in order to use thunderbolt you got a license it from from the thunderbolt consortium which includes apple and other companies so if you can do two terabytes that's going to open the door quite quite wide for you but owc is is where i would start something like the envoy pro electron depending on your space but you know if you need more the express or pro fx range is is where you're going to wind yourself up other but there are other brands i'm a fan of the glyph drives the glyph atom e v is a portable nvme ssd uh the two terabyte version is 229 the eight terabyte version is 1099 you see where i'm going with this um yeah so you know it's amazing about that those the the cost of technology coming down oh for sure so amazing i remember when a 500 gig ssd was probably 800 900 dollars oh or more oh absolutely the samsung t7 is really worth looking at um that max is out at two terabytes but a two terabyte t7 i think is uh 120 bucks right so yeah yeah yeah like it's a good price uh and and works well i'm also a fan of the cow digit stuff the tough nano great tiny little drive and uh and runs really well i've used the tough nanos uh for you know travel as kind of like little travel drives and they're you know they're great they're great it it's also worth looking at um rotational drives if you do need that four terabyte or eight terabyte take a look at a rotational drive you know you're backing up to this you're not relying on it for fast data transfer you know in a real-world scenario so like like lisa's machine when when her mac mini died you know whatever it was 10 days ago i talked about in the last show i realized oh she's still backing up to a rotational drive that's a four terabyte rotational drive it's like okay like that's fine like you know first i was like oh should i change this like well maybe because i have a stack of ssds that are unused so probably but in terms of spending real money i you know it's nothing wrong i i was able to restore like she's up and running because of that rotational drive so yeah so good um i was gonna mention sandisk but there's some reports that their sandisk extremes are losing data for people and they're not saying anything about it so maybe just wait on the sandisks for right now i've had good luck with them i i don't want to i don't want to disparage them my my experience with the sandisk extremes over the years has been great it was it was literally on the on the list and uh in the pre-show someone pointed out hey um maybe not that they're not as yeah they're not being as forthcoming at the moment at the moment right yeah exactly so and then sometime back also we had a and again this is my portable one yep i know i put it on a cool stuff found and i don't even remember the brand because it's downstairs but there's a thumb drive that's two terabytes that's not oh yeah not much larger than my thumbnail so yeah i think that is a sand i have one of those that is a sandisk i mean it's probably from multiple brands it's just not the fastest thing if you're i mean if you're gonna bother paying for an ssd pay for the speed not the the tiny size unless it needs to be in your portable rig at which point like great but yeah kingston makes a pretty small one sandisk makes a pretty small one uh and i do keep one of those in my travel bag i forget about it because it's like you said it's like thumb drive is is is the right term for this well yeah it's way smaller than my thumb but yeah and then the other thing that was cool about it as i recall it has both a usb c and a usb a so you just flops yes that's the sandisk one i yeah i can't remember the name of it off the top of my head yeah yeah yeah so yes yes so thank you to bryan memro for for alerting us to the sandisk issues i appreciate it man brian is is a great participant as among many in our discord community and if you haven't yet joined our discord community i highly recommend it it is it's such a like we have such a great family there and i think there's 1200 of us now but um the conversations always like i was going to say they stay on point that's not really true we get into tangents just like we do here on the show but they are always about tech and everybody just loves to help everybody else that's the part i love about so yeah yeah before you get to the next question we may this will probably be answered in a future show but arish khan on youtube asks what's the best way to go about creating a bootle b usb for mac os so i think that's probably a future show one he goes no we can answer that question okay well then he goes on here's where he throws the curveball it looks like a nice straight fastball but it could have been you didn't have to share the whole thing but you're about to so go ahead yeah okay he says i don't have access to a mac it would have to be through windows or linux okay so i don't like off the top of my head i would need to think about the curveball but in terms of creating a boot drive even with a mac it's not it's not like it used to be where you could just plug in you know an external drive into your mac use carbon copy cloner right because that's what it was or super duper and just clone to this external drive it doesn't work like that anymore because apple has made it very very difficult to do that it's still sort of possible but the best way to do it is well if you just want to make a boot drive that does not have any of your data on it so not cloning to it but literally just creating a boot drive that's pretty straightforward and that is the first step in creating a bootable clone is you boot to uh you boot to your normal internal drive run the installer for whatever os you want to have on this external drive and when the installer asks you what disk it you to put it on choose the external and then you go through the whole installation process it builds the system it splits the drive in the magic way that it does and does all its stuff and then you wind up with a drive that has a system partition uh or system volume with that operating system on it and a data volume with essentially nothing at that point you can use your clone and and clone over to it or you can use migration assistant to pull your data over and and at that point it becomes and you know a snapshot in time clone of you but but yeah you have to use the mac os installer to do it and i don't it used to be possible from a windows machine or a linux machine to just say you know here's two drives uh go ahead and and read you know clone one to the other and it would have created your your bootable clone that's not how it works anymore i think you need a mac to do that yeah i would think so too but that that was a super timely question though because the very next one was anaki also who goes i got my boot drive now it's filled up what do i do now it's true yeah on discord anaki also asked i have a 2018 i5 intel mac mini uh running ventura whose 250 gig internal drive is approaching full it's about 215 full now it says but the finder window uh when i look at you know everything on the drive it adds up to roughly a hundred gigs so ink and that includes hidden files so where are the extra 115 gigs being consumed the free version of clean my mac x identifies only three gigabytes as system junk my i cloud drive is 12 gigs in case that matters any ideas about the 100 gig discrepancy and um richard a in our discord got to this one first and asked do you have multiple users on this mac mini if so i don't think that you logged in as your user gets to see the size of other users home folders from within the macintosh hd finder view if you unfold the user's folder the sizes of those folders will be reported as tiny because it's based on the files you are allowed to see not the files you are not allowed to see and indeed that's what it was for innocuoso you are right to run things like space lens uh inside clean my mac x or or other utilities that will sort of give you a peek at not just how full your drive is but where it's full but yeah other other user folders are tough to see it is doable you can run the finder in um so you can actually go to the terminal and using the sudo command which is the command that you would run it like choose to run something as super user you can actually go and run a copy of the finder as super user and that might let you see what other users folders have it might not though things get a little wonky when you do that but yeah logging into those other users would be the way to to sort of the prescribed way of of getting in there right or uh yeah i was gonna say if if if you were the admin on that machine though you should be able to see it from your uh no that's what i'm saying you're if you're an admin you can you can go to the terminal and run sudo and and then you can run an app as root but as admin you don't get to see extra things you just have the ability to turn on the ability to see extra things so yeah logged in the finder you won't get to see it but you could you could do it from the terminal um there is a terminal command that i'll use uh i will you know sudo up as as root on the terminal so that i have full access to the drive and then um i use the du command i think it's du gosh i need my fingers remember this all right well you're working on that su sudo means super user do and 99 of the time it's going to ask you for a password right or a hundred percent um probably a hundred percent well if you do a sudo command it depends on uh how recently you've done it right but but yes it yeah there's a little timer so if you sudo and then come out and come back in it'll it'll let you do it otherwise yeah yeah but um du dash sch uh and then star or sudo space du dash sh and then star and i'll put this in the um the the the show that's the mackey cab dot com will show you the sizes of all the folders in like all the sub folders in your in your current folder so if you wanted to see the whole drive you could you know go to the root level and and do that but that that is a way and and the um the h in the du dash sch command no it means human because it shows you the sizes in human readable form so it'll say like 16k or four gigs instead of yeah yeah yeah instead of 400 bytes here's how many bytes they are yeah exactly i forget what the s means um oh the s means show me an entry for each specified file so that's you get the listing as opposed to just a summary so dash s means not a summary and here's a swag yeah uh du means disk usage that's correct yes sorry i should have started with that yeah it is display disk usage usage statistics you can also use um df dash sh that shows you i think of df as disk full uh or sorry df dash h i'm getting my commands confused that will show you the usage by volume if you do df dash h so yeah gets confusing all i can say is anybody driving don't try to remember all this no you don't have to i've typed this into the show notes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so uh and those are i'm assuming df is also a sudo require um no i don't think so no because it's just showing you how much is used in general which is not a uh it's not showing you by folder it's just showing you by volume and so i've never needed to use sudo for for df df is display free disk space yeah yeah so it's just showing you how much is free that's it yeah not how much is used which is different yes gotcha i mean one is part and part but not where it is used i guess that's the that's the differentiator there gotcha okay how about i take us to ben hey please do so ben writes hi guys uh my daughter is starting to college this fall as a biology slash genetics major man you've got one that's going to support you ben just saying her college requires a laptop so we bought her a 13 inch m2 macbook air for use in college one is it wise to enable max built-in firewall since she will be on the school's wi-fi and wired network while at school and two are there any software or tips that you would recommend to keep her macbook safe while at school i'm not sure but i think there might be misbehaving comp sign majors trying to have fun hacking the non-tech majors i'd love to hear from you and listeners on this topic she's only used ipads throughout her schooling so she is getting used to the macbook um yeah she's gonna love that machine yeah so i wrote back i said first of all ben my sympathy is to your wallet uh i have a one in college and one that's a senior starting next fall so uh i i fully feel your pain yeah uh i said i first of all i'd absolutely run the firewall and additionally i'd run file vault so that the hard drive is encrypted and should the laptop fall into the wrong hands then any sensitive data will not be accessible without the password um get her set up it's this is one i'm still pulling my hair out on i cannot get my daughter to remember her social security number any of that stuff even though i've put it in one password on her machine it's like you know here here's a way to keep your data secure and get to it oh no i can't do that okay yeah yeah yeah that's one of those lessons that you know there's a lot of lessons that kids we not just kids that each of us as humans needs to learn for ourselves right you can't learn free kids data stolen from you is a lesson i would not want someone to have to learn for themselves that's that's a painful one yeah so and then and then speaking of passwords i showed him how i do my passwords which is i will i will pad mine with either symbols or numbers or letters that sort of thing some places won't let you use repeating series of a single letter so if that's the case then i might go a dollar sign pound sign dollar sign pound sign to mix it up but you can make your password very long yet memorable by by padding it and i think go over it uh steve gibson's website g r c g r c thank you i couldn't think of it to see g r c dot com and i think it's haystack slash haystack he talks about padding passwords and how you can make your passwords extremely hard to remember by by padding them um so and then i use symbols in there you know often i'll use a three for an e or an a for an ampersand for an a that sort of thing so but uppercase lowercase number symbols all the various letters and then pad it is is the point of my sure diatribe here and then i said finally and this is not solicited but they have have been recently a sponsor on the show is pia private internet access uh it's very inexpensive vpn service and very versatile and once you have an account you can use it on your phone your ipad your laptop and so this should always be on when you're on any publicly accessible wi-fi um remember however every now and then i don't know why for no apparent reason my mail does not work properly when i'm using the pia vpn it might be because you are also using apple's protect mail protection we we've had some reports that the two of them together uh do not play nicely together apple's mail privacy i forget what it okay yeah that makes sense then yeah the uh but the and the point of these things is you know nothing's a hundred percent safe but but if she does these two or three things she's going to make herself a harder target and the the the geeks will go on to harass somebody less it's a simpler pastures that's really what you're looking for that's right yeah exactly just don't leave any any holes open um i i very much try not to create my own passwords um because i know that i will fall into patterns and habits that people could or computers could it you know begin to think if you get four if i were to create passwords based on a pattern or a set of patterns and you got five of them well is that enough to start to make far more educated guesses about what a different password of mine might be possibly right so i am a big fan of letting for logins i let one password just create my passwords or iCloud keychain can create a password but for those moments where you need to create a password but you don't like one password is very particular if i ask one password to create a password it's going to store it and it's going to decide how to assign it and like where to put it and it's going to like sometimes i know it's going to put it in the wrong place like if i'm on one site it's going to be like oh yeah should i replace no no i just want a password especially if i'm creating passwords for other people right like you know if i'm creating a login for somebody at work or something and i need to to give them a password i don't want to come up with it off the top of my head but i want it to be secure and so uh and one password is going to try and store it for me it's like nope i don't want that password i just want to create it on the fly and make it go away um i like there there are websites there's um what's the xk password right is is one of them i think is a good uh skpsswd i believe it's skxkpsswd.net it's that will allow you to make memorable passwords if you want because it will use words uh interspersed by different you know interrupting characters i like an app called pswd that i downloaded from the mac app store it sits in my menu bar when i want it and it will just create passwords and copy them to the clipboard for me so i can just paste them where i need and then i forget about them which is great oh that's nice and you know it's funny because you bring up a good point you're talking about you don't like to make your own because then it becomes guessable right i mean the human brain is predictable to machines uh but i've always resisted that but you bring up a very good point in that um i'm not gonna while i can remember it when i see it or if i have to it makes it easier for me to type in i guess right is what the only thing that that does for me because otherwise i'm using the one password all the time right and i should just let that copy it over rather than let it be that way although i i don't know what i have that anybody wants beyond my my social security numbers locked down i could i could broadcast it here yeah fair all my credit's locked but fair yep yep yep all right well fun fun stuff i like it it's the principle of it it well and it's you know here's the thing is people say well well you know when it comes to like privacy i have nothing to hide or security i have nothing anybody would want that's what you think right but you don't know what someone else wants from you right and so there might be something very specific that you don't think about that somebody else is like oh if only i could get that from pete or that from dave or whatever that piece of data will allow me to yeah yeah will allow me to do a thing and and you're like oh well that seems so useless like well to you maybe but yeah so so i i like those tools xk password and the pswd app either either one um i you know try to make make my life a little bit easier yep to to do it what it is i want to do and what i wanted to do recently pete was understand the difference between a usb-4 cable and a thunderbolt three or four cable so we're talking about cables with usb-c ports right not the lightning ports that our phones currently use right so cables with usb-c ports mean usb cables or thunderbolt cables and this started when i was furiously like i was about to leave for a trip and i needed a cable for my extra screen and i realized that most of the cables with usb-c ports that i had would not pass video and it was like okay so these are just charging cables i need cables to rule them all i need cables that will certainly charge and pass power delivery but i also need them to pass data as fast as i want for anything and i need them to support usb and thunderbolt and all of that stuff and i see usb-4 and thunderbolt used not interchangeably but like at the same place a lot of times like oh well this device is usb-4 or thunderbolt 4 like almost like whoever is saying it is treating the distinction as a tossaway item right yeah and so i was like all right i'm doing it i'm going down the path here so my real question is like i said what's the difference between usb-4 and thunderbolt cables not usb-4 and thunderbolt devices and drives and all of that cables so i bought a bunch of cables because i wanted to know and i also wanted to know can i get two meter cables because those little tiny ones the 0.75 meter ones are great for connecting a little drive but like if i want to connect to an external screen i need more room to like get wrap the cable around i have to assume that i want my screen on the side opposite from where the ports are on my device you know right of course right so two meter cables things that i can just throw in my travel bag and know that they are going to work with whatever devices i want to plug in this is the path i headed down here okay let me ask real quickly then and you used uh what your laptop i mean you're using a device that can obviously max it won't max out in other words the cable isn't more capable than correct i yes i used both uh well i use the iMac in the studio and the um my my new m2 air so okay yes yes and i in part of the reason i use the iMac in the studio is because in addition to having both thunderbolt and usb-c like devices and hubs i or docks using those definitions i also have a thunderbolt 4 hub here in the in the studio which is it's owc's device and that is very much a thunderbolt only device right it takes your thunderbolt ports and takes one thunderbolt port and makes it into you know three or four of them or whatever and so i knew that that required thunderbolt capabilities so i i did all these tests uh over the last week here i started with a cable matters usb-4 cable but i made a mistake when i bought it i it said that it was a 20 gig cable actually i didn't make a mistake i knew what i was doing i wanted to see if they meant what they said and that it was going to limit itself to 20 gigs per second whereas it could go you know with thunderbolt and go up to 40 gigs a second or whatever so um so i started well really what i started with was you know an owc thunderbolt 3 cable because i had one right um and this is a you know 1 meter or 0.75 meter cable it connects to everything it connects to usb-4 devices connects to usb-3 devices it connects to anything i can plug a usb-c cable into and it has full capabilities right so in the you know in system profile or whatever we call it on the mac it it shows the devices show up as thunderbolt 3 but it but it works right like that's just what these cables do that's normal regardless of whether it's a thunderbolt 3 or thunderbolt 4 cable the max is thunderbolt 3 because because really the distinction between 3 and 4 for max is a marketing term um and we can talk about that another time but doing full 2400 you know megabyte per second reads from a thunderbolt drive so all of those things like yep okay so i know my devices are capable of this and when there is a cable that is thunderbolt certified it does all these things great so put that cable aside then i tried this cable matters usb-4 cable that's listed as 20 gigs it did limit its speeds to 20 gigs it did not matter though that the cable says that it's usb-4 it connected as thunderbolt to thunderbolt devices it connected to my thunderbolt hub and did all the things that my hub needed it to do it was limited to 20 gigs because that's what the cable said but other than that no difference that i could tell because just because it didn't say thunderbolt on it that was also true with a and that was a two meter cable um i did find thunderbolt the specs say that in order to go 40 gigs you can't do that over two meters with thunderbolt you have to do it with usb but i have found two meter cables that will do either um in fact all of the cables that i found will do do both so um i found you know i used owc's thunderbolt 4 cable which is exactly the same in terms of how my mac and devices see it as the thunderbolt 3 cable uh 2400 megabit per second reads 40 gigs uh you know on the connection and i can get that two meters 57 for a two meter owc thunderbolt 4 cable same with a cable matters thunderbolt 4 cable i think that was 60 dollars for a 6.6 foot one and then i found this luri leu r ui i wanted to get something that did not have a brand name i knew so i bought this two meter cable for 28 dollars it is a branded as a usb 4 cable it has of course usb c ports on either end it is branded as a 40 gigabit per second cable and i plugged it in and pete it worked just like a thunderbolt 4 cable would work everything said thunderbolt 4 yep and uh today on amazon it's actually i bought it for 28 dollars uh it is down to 25 down to 25 and there's a 10 promo code coupon today on amazon so you could save uh maybe that is the the thing i don't know but uh still 25 bucks you know yeah that's what it is it says yeah 2799 two meters takes to 25 yeah yep two meters no i think you get another 10 off with the amazon coupon today yep and uh and i've i've used it i i'm going to bring it with me when i go to podcast movement this week um i'm also going to bring a thunderbolt cable just in case i actually have proven myself wrong here but um that's just because murphy uh i keep on my favorites list on my phone so and murphy's law always applies but basically what i found during my experiments is that other than the price and the branding on the cable uh and presumably the certification process that it goes through there is no functional difference to me for uh between a usb 4 cable at 40 gigabits per second and a thunderbolt 4 cable or a thunderbolt 3 cable for that matter they are all functionally the same for me so i know that thunderbolt cables go through a certification process i know that there are you know electronic tolerances that they are required to have that usb 4 cables are not some of the usb 4 cables that i bought the cable matters ones were um said that they were usb if certified intel certified or whatever oh no that's a thunderbolt one sorry that i'm looking at here um but i'm pretty sure they said that they were usb certified um yeah usb if certified and that's why cable matters cables can't go faster than 20 gigabits at at two meters because the they say that they won't be certified for that but my guess is a lot of these are literally the same cables they are just either certified for usb or not certified for usb and therefore less expensive and or certified for thunderbolt and way more expensive so yeah i and again we're talking about the cables here i'm not talking about the devices like your device that you buy like your hard drive that you buy that's a usb device is not gonna magically support thunderbolt capabilities right um it's gonna it's gonna be usb that's different what i'm talking about here is cables and connecting two thunderbolt devices works with any of the cables that i tried out i'll put links to all of them in the show notes for you so i've got actually another cable question then yeah man just because i can so i'm sitting here with a view sonic monitor to the side okay and that has a what appears to be a normal usb c cable connection on both ends but as you and i both know it's not but it's carrying hdmi well one of these thunderbolt four cables work on that great question i tested that too because that was the thing that sort of brought me down this path to begin with okay i plug them all from my laptop into my portable usb connector on the monitors that i have that you know i travel with and it worked every single cable worked for that yeah nice yeah yeah so yes but so but a charging only usb cable will not work and pass data yeah pass video but yeah every one of these passed video too so yeah interesting okay yeah so i i don't know like like all i can tell you is what i and i've done i tried to do some research on this to see what like other people were saying or willing to say publicly and i might be the only one willing to say any of this publicly but uh like people are like well you know there's the tolerances and they're certified i'm like you know i i understand that and listen for my mission critical stuff if i have like my thunderbolt hub here did i test it with a usb cable of course will i use it full time with a cable that's not thunderbolt certified no why would i it came with a cable that was thunderbolt certified of course i'm gonna use that cable right yeah you know so but it worked fine uh without it so i i um i mentioned the iMac here in the studio Pete during that story right i have another story to tell you uh oh it's very similar to the story that i told last week Pete i came up here after a weekend of being in and out of the studio testing all these cables i came up here on sunday night to do some prep for a thing i needed to do monday and i have three monitors in the studio one is built into the iMac and then i have a view sonic monitor that sits to my right a 27 inch 4k so it's the 5k 27 inch monitor in the iMac view sonic 27 inch 4k monitor gorgeous display it's got you know the color matching and all that great stuff i think it's the 2768 4k um i'll put a link in the show notes once i once i remember uh uh 2768 4k then behind me i have a mono price 27 inch 4k screen that i mostly just used to put like little images up uh while we record the show it's for people watching on video so i came up here and i woke up the iMac as i had done earlier that day and the day before and the day before that and uh the two external screens woke up and the iMac screen was black so i might go so i hit the brightness button on the keyboard to no avail okay i moved my mouse around i can see the mouse is moving fine when i move it to the right to the other screens like okay and i uh you know um vn ced in from my phone i used the app screens on my phone which lets me do that um and i was able to see all three screens right so and i was able to manipulate things on the screen from my phone and presumably from another mac if i had one here you know convenient and uh it's like okay so i shut it down i unplugged everything from the iMac plugged it back in and or you know powered it back up and the iMac screen it made the noise it remained black i could vnc in again and do all my things so i turned on the flashlight on my phone i got it real close to the screen and looked hard and i could see all the icons on the desktop and the windows and the menus uh the backlight on that iMac ceased to function shut shut what's weird about this i started researching it on that machine there are two backlights there's one on the left and one on the right yeah one they shouldn't die together they in theory if the back lights are gonna die it's one at a time there is also two engines on airplanes that one one gets you to the side of the crash seconds with the second one's four so this one didn't even get me to the side of the crash pete um i i i i have come to understand that there is also a backlight controller built into the motherboard it didn't used to be it used to be a separate part which would be great for my life because i could have spent like 120 bucks on a part and then be done but instead i have to replace either the motherboard to the tune of like 800 bucks or the screen to the tune of about 900 bucks which is fairly inexpensive for a 5k screen 5k retina screen right like the 27 inch screen you you can't buy one of those for 900 bucks all that easily but again i was sitting here thinking okay well that's like having to buy the same monitor twice that's a little frustrating and also it's tied to that one computer i don't get to use it if i replace that iMac ever right it is built into that iMac and that is a 2019 fine iMac it's an eight core intel i9 like super hooptie but it is intel and so it was like you sounds like you get an expensive paperweight over there Dave yeah and that paperweight is far away from me now it's on the other side of the room because what i'm sitting here recording this show on today is an m1 max max uh yeah m1 max based max studio i started looking at okay well you bought a studio should yep i did should i should i get a mac mini like should i look at the m2 mini and i did and the price wise was like okay so i'm gonna be at like 1800 bucks okay fine you know i can have it by wednesday fine and then i kind of started looking and i'm like well what about the max studios and the m2 flavors of the max studios are pricey but the m1s are available on refurb and the base model m1 which comes with 32 gigs of ram and a 512 gig uh ssd a 512 yeah gig ssd um was uh you know 1529 on refurb and i was like okay and so i looked at the speed differences between the two the m2s aren't that much faster slash better than the m1s and certainly i was fine with an i9 you know intel chip so like clearly don't need the speed and uh so i was like all right i'm gonna do this and my local max shop actually had a brand new one there same base model uh and and sold it to me you know they were selling it for the same price as a refurb so on monday afternoon i drove down there and i bought myself yet another computer p well because you needed one you know i can't do this every week um you know on the way home i stopped at the blood bank and the plasma bank and the sperm bank and you know bought my family a bunch of ramen to eat like it's just getting ridiculous but yeah so i i so i am running on that uh it's obviously doing fine the nice part is because it's the m1 max and older model it also runs Monterey so i was not forced to upgrade to venture yeah it was my question yeah yes i'm gonna run on the uh the core audio issues yes uh so i'm gonna have to upgrade at some point i know but for for for monday and for today i did not have to so i have this new machine here it's cranking it's got four thunderbolt ports on it and a couple usb ports and a couple you actually more than a couple usb ports like it's it's awesome i did slow down the fan it does have a fan in it which i'm not entirely thrilled about no one seems to know why it has a fan it people don't ever see it go faster than it's 1300 rpm but it is much quieter at 1100 rpm which is where i have it now so that y'all don't hear it but uh the temperature stays the same at 1100 or 1300 so i just slowed it down to to 11 and i am able to run speaking of core audio i normally run logic which is kind of my mixer i normally run that at 256 oh gosh what do we even call it i should never be looking at this while we're recording the i o buffer size is set normally to 256 samples that's where i get it reliable on on the intel mac i am today running this at 64 samples and it's been reliable so far but i've recorded like a bunch of shows on this like i think it's gonna be fine um which means i hear my voice a lot closer to when i say things um which is you know better for my brain so um yeah so i have max studio up here but it did mean that i had to promote the view sonic screen to prime position and the mono price screen to you know the second slot right and that means that i went and found this square 14 inch that's why it looks different off brand screen behind that sits behind me and that's why it looks different because it is different yeah yeah and it has a dvi connector on it but i had a dvi to hdmi cable for it and then i had a really long hdmi cable that came around from the computer so i bought for four dollars i bought a um an hdmi uh coupler and that that seems to be working fine nice that screen because it just needs a long cable to get around the back but yeah yep so i'm actually surprised that the studio came with monterey on it though instead of ventura well it it yeah it did come it was it did have monterey but it it supports monterey because it came out you know a year and a half ago it came out with right yeah so it will take it which it was the important part yeah yeah yeah i did notice one thing with it what's that but it came with it well because or did you yeah because you didn't go through the monterey bed downgrade like you did on the iMac no no it just came with it yeah yeah just yeah because it was brand new it just had been sitting in the box for a while so i put apple care on it my apple care just started this week so i got three years of apple care like i'm all good um i did notice something though because i no longer have intel machines in the house slash office anymore because lisa's machine that died was the in the storm was the um was the intel mini and of course this was the intel iMac and migrating both of those setups to apple silicon i learned something and it it happened on both most apps that each of us had on our machines were universal so when i booted up to uh you know m1 apple silicon it just was like okay fine like i'll i run natively on this platform too there were two apps though that on both machines needed to be downloaded fresh and have reinstalled in order to run apple silicon and those apps are microsoft edge and one password you have to go download the specific installer for apple silicon from microsoft and from the folks at one password so just fyi yep just and and like one password would at least run in rosetta mode here so that was fine like i could get it up and running but then i had to like you know i want it to be efficient um microsoft edge the intel version like for whatever reason would not run not even in rosetta was bizarre so i just had to go get another version of it but yep so so you know it's all fine it's good man uh-huh uh-huh it's been an expensive summer yeah you know i know i started off i mean i got my new laptop my macbook pro m2 yep 16 inch love it right that was my own choice the rest of the choices have not been mine and not just tech right leaks in our house spool pumps dead uh yeah man daughter's beater needs 1500 dollars worth of work you know little things like that all those things it's that's how this summer's been let's um let's take a couple of minutes we have a couple minutes left let's make it a little bit more expensive for folks um and share a couple of cool things found so that we can all sort of be in the same boat here uh one of the first things i wanted to share is if you are a comcast slash xfinity provider they now offer wireless backup connectivity for use during storms when they're you know when they are a right they are a wired connection yeah that is not fiber so far more susceptible to lightning damage and you can get this box that you put at your house and you can rent it for seven dollars a month for 36 months or you can purchase it for 252 dollars and seven times 36 is 252 so i would just take the interest-free loan on that um and then it lives in your home and is ready to jump on a cellular circuit if and when your comcast connection goes down you have to be a comcast subscriber those of us who are on like fiber can't pay comcast seven dollars a month for this service i asked hey can i only have seven bucks a month on limited internet yeah they call it xfinity storm ready wi-fi and it comes with a four hour battery in the unit two so that you get wi-fi even if like not only your cable is like literally down but also when the power is out at least for four hours so um yeah yeah so i thought that was pretty cool so i wanted to share that we talked in the last episode pete about various apps for showing keyboard shortcuts on the mac because boy was i upset when i saw this one come through because that because key cue is the one i could not remember to save my bacon yep well well well thank thank goodness yeah thank goodness my face is too big uh on our discord shared key cue from ergonis so we'll link to that in the show notes and then matt one shared another one called paletro p-a-l-e-t-r-o of course we will share both of those but these are things that uh with a keystroke we'll just show you a window that highlights all of the key commands of course the one that we were talking about in the finder that led to this discussion shows up in neither of these apps i will point out but other ones too so it is handy it is handy yeah yeah no that's i was just so bummed i've used key to be a key cue for years and then it slipped off my machines and then and so i couldn't that's why i couldn't remember it and i'll probably go back to that got it got it um listener rod shares a uh well a web app a service um called tango at t-a-n-g-o.us he says this allows you to document processes or for like training and things like that and you just sort of walk through it captures your screen and your video and your sound and you just walk someone through doing something or you walk yourself through doing something and you don't have to take any screenshots it does all of that for you it also builds a uh like a step-by-step flow based on what it sees you doing and what it's uh listening to so like you can just hand it to somebody and be like oh yeah go do this it will allow you to um like blur portions of the video if like you have passwords or sensitive data in the video you can blur those out before you share this stuff so yeah they uh it's called tango and it is create how-to guides in minutes i messed with it a little bit there is a youtube video that i will put uh in the show notes because it is like go watch this video and it will you'll see it in action and then you'll be like oh my gosh like yeah so it's super intuitive then and super it yeah that's the whole thing is it it just like it is intuitive i've been travel guy you just caught cost money she loves screenshot oh that's fair yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um i have been doing some traveling in the summer as we all know as i've shared on the show and one of the things that i have brought with me for all of my travels is the new iteration of the flip speaker the portable speaker from jbl the flip six uh this is the the the sound on this is i you know i've had every version of the flip because it's it's what i do i check all these things out this one has a much more i would say rounded sound quality to it the the bass i i guess i guess there is more low end to it but it doesn't feel like it has like gratuitous low end it it feels like it has the right amount of low end and it will fill you know i've been using it like in airbnb's and and hotel rooms and it fills the room with with good sound it's got a battery in it of course 12 hours of playtime it is ipx7 waterproof so yeah it it i i love this thing and you can get it at least on amazon today it's it the msrp is 130 or 129.95 and you can get it today for 89 bucks on amazon so nice funny story about gratuitous sound yes debbie picked me up at the airport we're sitting at the circle down on route 16 near luggan airport sure we're jammed up because cars going around the circle debbie's reaching up and she's trying to turn down the radio it was the car next to us she goes wow that's that's him wow so you didn't need to spend all that money on a nice car stereo honey we'll just listen to his oh wow it was that loud i have one last cool stuff found to share before we were a little bit out of time but i'll share it anyway it's actually two things moving to a third party external display is my primary screen here on this mac in the studio and it not being a thunderbolt display i need a way settings that work system settings does not work to control the brightness correct and i'd like to be able to control the brightness up here in the studio so i started looking at third party apps i found one the first one i found i i think was this app called display buddy which is available in set app uh or you can buy it you know separately and it it works but um it was not able there's there's several modes of controlling a screen there's like dcc mode and uh something else the apple mode and then there's what they call software mode where it just literally changes the colors on the screen to simulate a a reduction in brightness and it actually works like it it makes the screen shine less light but um and and they said oh if you're doing this over hdmi on a mac studio you can't do dcc or whatever okay so then i tried an app called lunar uh which effect effectively does the same thing but for whatever reason this one does control the screen's actual brightness over hdmi from my mac mini same cable same thing never once did my fingers leave my hands so i am at the moment anyway using lunar which uh i think i'm still in the 14-day trial but my guess is i will um be a a paid member for 23 dollars with a lifetime license it is ddc not dcc i said the wrong thing delta delta charlie uh display data channel but yes delta delta charlie that's correct yeah so those are my uh those are my things that's what uh that's what i got for today love it and assuming you folks are hearing this episode then it means my mac studio has survived its maiden mac geekaboyage which is really a good thing yeah yep we're speaking to using the phonetic alphabets i got trivia for you dave you'll like it i love your airport stuff i think they use in atlanta which is the hub for delta airlines instead of delta oh right you're on the delta taxi way oh no that would just confuse everything right they use they use dixie oh of course they do uh i like that a little aviation trivia for everybody but that's not every airport just that one just atlanta every other airport in the world it's the delta taxiway atlanta it's the dixie taxiway fascinating fascinating interesting interesting interesting chicago used to be one of the bad ones they'd be like go down cherry street and then you know they almost had a mishap and the f a came in this is 25 30 years ago f a came in and said no no stop with your local local localisms yeah go to standard that makes sense i mean come on yeah yeah so i wonder when the f a is going to tell it tell atlanta to uh knock that off and just call it delta right man imagine that confusion oh yeah oh yeah i mean but delta is also in chicago like it's not that much confusion but it's it's obviously atlanta being their worldwide central hub it i'd say 85 percent of the flights in and out of there are delta airlines okay and it will get confusing very fast if you're trying to use the delta tech wait a minute were they calling us no they're talking about a taxiway yeah fair okay i can see that sure maybe delta should change their name right dixie airlines dixie oh man i don't think so all right thanks for hanging out with us folks thanks to cash fly for providing all the bandwidth to get the show from us to you thank you to all of our premium listeners you folks really are part of the magic that makes the show possible if you want to learn more about that mackeekab.com slash premium you really rockin it it is it is part of the the mackeekab family the partnership that we all have here it really makes a huge difference uh yeah thank you and uh go check out pete's other show it's called so there i was and that is for aviation enthusiasts where they might even talk about stuff like that you can check out my other show's business brain for entrepreneurs where we tune our business brains together each week and gig gap for working musicians or anyone who wants to see behind the curtain of what it's like to be a working musician speaking of weeks i need to finish producing the show and then go play five gigs this weekend so wish me luck count and five count and five that's right yeah i think you got anything left to share just one thing dave while you're out playing those gigs don't get caught made thanks me that's good advice i try