 what contains the French hasn't seen it for so firstly you can see new different strategies that's why but I'm not actually the main deal that you are working for so I represent six packages on an extra video for okay okay this package will contain some features for the internet it will install configure moodle which is moodle edge the last person this will install dependency of moodle preceding the question for moodle which depends on the set selection so you don't have to answer for all questions to install moodle it perfectly information in the database configure moodle with my news for the next time we met for the French team this code is used to manage the scale of each student so you can easily know what the share is an error to do or not so it's an easy way to to see if children are able to do some stuff like example here French if the student can read or write in French for each possible which discipline is possible to add skills so it's an easy way to manage the skills of the students in France teachers have to manage the skills of their students on with specific things they don't have to be computer based but we provide them with this tool that allow them to manage student skills through the intranet interface moodle speed package it's another plugin for speed and speed guard which is a configuration for secure internet connection so if you have four filtering modes so you can have a full internet access no internet access you can use a white list or black list so you can put a web address so you can filter exactly which domains you want to have and you can illustrate internet access for student growth one question did you manage to to merge different filters different black lists for now we are we have only one list you use this one to lose but for now we have the interface allow you to add or remove URLs or domains or whatever strings you may filter white or black but with only one list we will very soon add we already have a way to add a remote white list or black list that we have to cooperate with to lose official white list to know a black list to know and to refresh it regularly we'll be done next week in social index in Paris yes because we will meet there and the RISC internet access for student group we are using the IP tables filtering to enforce the proxy bypass Christian Cooker this morning and thanks to him we think about how we can interpret between the CIPEX system who allows any user to remain to handle users groups and other services with our mobile internet solution and since it's different languages and quite different processes we found a way to think about it and find the greatest solution so we think about it deeply before cutting anything together and we may certainly use RPC or P4 whatever but tomorrow is this morning we write this in the board upstairs that's why we put it in the presentation and so we will build a Moodle package another plugin for Moodle that will allow any teacher to handle and manage user easily through user-evolving interface usability is very important for us in this part of the project so it's a brand new and early stage package for now but it's very important for us okay education skills in FL package this package contains two way of configure skills first install configure KDE scale this was done as a skills tool backboard for sales so only a lot of software will be in KDE menu proxy components or whatever for remade we will do maker skills for human students so it's a friendly interface and big buttons and easy to use this tool also spread the scale again if you already created those users or is it only for creators of users to be created in future for KDE profile it's on ETC KDE profile directory so we can choose who are which unit group is subjected to this profile and which is not so for in our installation the student group is forced to use this profile so if you already created student in the student group unit group they will be using this profile for the render maker scale it's in the ETC scale part of the project it's in teaching errors call home zero student skills used by CIPEX staff so if you already created a young student they won't have this scale you will have to use the CIPEX administration tool to push it again in its home directory and we will make a demo there how is this package related to the desktop profile package from back to the previous there is a similar package in the new project on the shelf there is a similar package in the DBA new project on the audio which is called desktop profile it's made by back to the previous or the very framework we made for school it's providing KD configuration and you know configuration based on the same source how is this difference from that setup we didn't do anything about that sorry we are off to this program we didn't do anything about it anyway it's not a very big challenge to do when we speak about developing it's a job for teachers or people using the skeleton and the profile so we may get them as a starting point but I think the most important is to have the stuff that is relevant for a French educational system and it may certainly be quite different than the one we will find in the construction but we will see education, meta, alpha package this package depends on the whole package of the CD the CD contains the different repositories of this meta package we install all relevant software for French school usage so open your page, tell me do you have any projects for this package on our main page that's important education, backup, effort we will try to use this package with some customization but it's an early stage for the people who are developing this tool it's not here and I don't really know how to find it so I don't speak more about it education relevant part of the program so this package will give a final tool to create good flocking on the server it's also in the early stage so this package is we will be able to create flocking with less internet connection which is very interesting if we have many network cards with different text type and text mat so we will try two translations for text type and text mat and we have found that we didn't maintain this plugin here that's why and he says that he can backup the template package of text mat and text mat to Sarge on a French reader that's cool thank you open office org gallery so this package will contain open clipart plugin, geographical parts historical parts callable plants plugin we will just go in the correct interface very simple just one thing we will not repackage open clipart plugins it's already a package for this geographical maps and historical protocol will be in this package anyway it's two parts SVN so to create a new SVN server in our GPS that's where we have access to this project we want to move our package on the European side we are working on this so I hope if you can do that it will be very well to move an adit it's important for us we know we are a wiki but we need to switch one as a one because important functions are missing we don't have a verification on the single page information that we are moving our wiki in one or two weeks it could be programmed in our server but we need a verification ok so we will make a small demonstration of the functionalities here we will show us the movement part and I will show some other for example in the open office you got some gallery with many stuffs such as background background and so on but we added with the open office of our gallery some history call and geographical things very interesting for French students such as France cars with reviews and so on Europe one regions in France world maps history with older cars history call stuff where did you get the cars from the cars came from a geographical teacher in France who did it himself he made a very great job with other people they put it fully on the internet hi they put it fully on the internet to be uploaded with a kind of free documentation but we have to ask some special license for these maps such as no commercial use so we will have to give you a legal team but anyway we put it ok so it's not true not sure it's vector graphics if the teacher would be volunteering to make it public there's the project and it has several thousand vector graphics and it's specialized on scalable vector graphics and I think such graphics will be put into such a prominent and public place and not into open office we have it also open office plugins the open office tripart and listed in open tripart project ok so it has to be open for the domain or some free licenses we also may be able to convince the teachers to allow more free licenses to be dbm like excuse me no not yet not yet but good idea that we will be done this week we are ready to approach the owner of the dbart license ok we know we will have to help us next week in paris to do that for this point the second point is maybe the profile you can see for example look this up it will take 2 seconds to show you the student profile or the small ones we want to see both you will see both no just one for now we have to choose between key e profile or window maker one in the final limit package we will have the decision it will be my worker or something like that ok this is the window maker desktop with very big buttons only for no he says kindergarten kindergarten now in english word and you will have to just click on the button or you cannot do anything no menu at all yes quit what is the wave combat in the backpack no that's the rest of the gun no it's still it's a little still what's the gun in the background yeah it's a shotgun in the background it's coming back from it's a french profile french solution french solution french solution french solution french solution for future problems ok and the second one is the key e profile for me thanks to kirstul we backported it the easiest package we ever backported just people that's all they have a restricted application menu with only in french but they have kind of grouping things together and they cannot change parameters such as the proxy configuration or they cannot launch a terminal or whatever this is done with the kiosk tools yes it's only a profile because we sought in germany to collect profiles and to get teachers involved and I think there are a lot of teachers in germany who like to do such stupid profile things yes but we have to thanks Jerome and Thierry who made that Jerome who is a teacher well I speak from german teachers not from french teachers but thank you anyway Thierry can you show us the mood of the staff why are you allowing there is no more battery battery is there it doesn't matter let me invite you to another part of the project all what you have seen until yet is programs skills and things like that but we have started a new part which is really needed by the teachers in fact they need programs but they also need tools to teach that means things that will make teaching easier for them and that's the work we tried to do with that so for example here you have the school newspaper school newspaper is what is going on at the moment in the school one class is going to visit the farm the other class is working on the project about water and so on another one is doing work about science and all the child wants to share that imagine if you are a child in the school and you write your paper you know that nobody will read that just a teacher so why do you have to work hard to do that nobody will read it but now if you work on such a tool and you say all what I'm going to write is going to be on the internet and all the children in the school will read it that's completely different and that's a new tool for a teacher it's not a new job for him I don't know if that's clear so then in Moodle we used just the wiki the wiki Moodle that means that a child who is able to write a word is able to edit the internet of the school that means that if you are able to write something you can put it there we have then there is there is here on the main page of the internet you will find the news what is the latest news in the school and here you can read or should I do it for you this weekend we have everyone we have many guests who will participate and there is many subjects with different country partners we hope to see you Jerome sitting there and I will read that you directly see what is the point for a school to have that and that to be able to each student to see that and to feel if possible and then another feature will be tutorials and the what we did with that is to take a very very cool word that was done in France about how to use free software in school and then we take all this documentation that the teacher can just find it in the internet and for example here is tixmat and then you have the tutorial of tixmat but not only that because the tutorial of tixmat you can find it 10 times 100 times on the web but there in this one there is also a pedagogical scenario for the teacher that means if you want to teach how to make one plus one and if you want to do that with a software then use tixmat and use it this way first step, second step, third step and this is how you could use this tool to have this competency and that's why it's very important for us for more until yet it's in the pdf but we are working to get that on html that you can surf into that will be more easy to do then we see the news we see the tutorial we see here we will see now the school forum ok, the school forum has a normal forum that it's it's just to to be able to make exist democracy into the school and the the question is easy school is dirty and the teacher ask who should clean who should clean up the school and then you see also directly what is the goal and how you will how you will get the interaction between the teacher between the students and that's what the teacher need ok so this part what is already implemented in Moodle this part we just have a bit some kind of parameters to do that but that's already Moodle so you don't want anything to do to use that like that in your language now, this second part which is administration that's the work we made the plug-in we made that you see just before on presentation ok, pops ok, let's go on the on skills when you come on this part how all the the pupils in the school and you can illustrate the skills for example, we take the first one and so if you go ok here you see mathematics, it's in French but we are invented to translate the physical you see mathematics does the pupil know how to count the numbers and then you have no, he doesn't or not yet or he knows some but not all or he knows and then the teacher can also make a small remark say ok, he knows but to 10 not more or sometimes he switched the 7 and the 6 or things like that and then it's very easy you just click you make your remark, you save it and ah here we prepared some in English just that you can see and then when it's done you at the end of the period you just go there and print the skills for children so at each end of the period in France you have to give that to the parents it's a very great job to do that each teacher has to sit down 20 hours to fill all the documents and if you use that just at the end of the period print, print, print, it's done just a question, how often is this feedback given to the teachers a year the certificate to the parents, yes how often is it given 4 times a year 3 times but it's not the official 7 but it depends on the school it's between 3 and 5 times a year but it's not the official 7th grade you learn of this in just an evaluation period evaluation we don't use the notes anymore it's only the skills we don't use the notes yes for primary school there is no notes just the skills ok here we have a short demonstration here about how we we use the script management so there is a short description for a teacher to explain how how we can do it and he has to show how as we explained before no internet access at all nobody can go he can he can choose that there is no restriction on the internet or he can choose that that means no restriction then we go to no internet access and then we go to to a white list this is wrong ok ok and here you have the tool to manage the URLs and the domains you can report a complete file so you want to block an address how do you make sure that it's impossible to connect to that address the script is filtering I know how do you make sure it's impossible to reach those addresses we cannot we even know from through just three minutes there are two two main groups group of teacher and the group of students and all this is only for the students the teacher has no restrictions on the system on the internet and that's important because if the teacher wants to prepare his own white list he can't have a restriction himself it's impossible to do the question from Peter says it is not possible to really it's not possible if a pupil like a Norwegian pupil knows how to work around this field he will come there but the pedagogical effect is we have experience in Germany you need about 100 lists not more they only see it's not possible normally you need a teacher to be there and we have here they try because there is no teacher they try to find a technical solution for the social problem this is always not work but we had to have such thing for the office and that's our favorite we asked by the ministry of application and it's even a little bit more complicated since normally we should only propose like the white list in France they ask us to use white list in our department and so we propose 4 votes there is a question or a suggestion because the teacher will have this list and the students will have a right reason to access some you have a lot of the sites which are blocked and easy way in this application to see the sites that the user was trying to access to the site let's add it into the white list so maybe export the log from screen to there with some way of saying this one is available now for now we have no such tool but we thought about it we started to search for a solution to access the screen access log and we know in this log what has been denied and what has been allowed and so we will be able to show it to the teacher you export the bookmark this bookmark from the white list into the system thank you it was a search address first of all for the login web pages we make sure for the teachers and the parents that this is the best network system that doesn't really prevent anyone from accessing page from the internet for now in my point of view this is only the tool the point is that this is easy tool this is easy it is easy it is easy it is easy it is easy it is easy it is easy the point is that this is easy tool we try to get the most functionalities in the easiest way but after a while it depends on how the teacher or the class or the school want to do things we cannot for them to have this pedagogical way of using the internet filtering we can only give advice maybe on the internet we can stop here the reason I ask is that a lot of decision makers actually believe that this works that you can't block illegal bad stuff away from the internet and make sure no one actually access it they believe this works and then of course they want to make sure it is implemented in all the networks in the world because this prevents bad things from happening it doesn't it doesn't work so you have to tell them that this is just the best effort system it doesn't really behave the way you want it to and my other point was do you have any plan what to do when people that actually believe this is working start to sue you because their kids was able to find bad stuff on the internet because in principle if you get them to believe that this actually works at the moment they will sue you we don't try to block it if you try you are well off because okay I tried anyway I did my best you will never be able to block anything but of course there is a side effect you also block pages which you do want because they just by accident contain some bad words and so I don't think that there is a risk that this system is taken over for all internet accesses and yes I mean I think it's just a quicker just helping aid for school but it's not but I think that there also could be also that if you are in trouble you are not to say okay I say that it was the solution but I made what I could and then if you don't do it then you make a mistake don't fall against the law because you didn't you didn't try to do it you understand what I mean and then we do the best what we can do with the tool we have yeah maybe but I'm afraid that we will we rely on them we will be yeah we will definitely deliver the solution but it will also be shut down because we pretended that we were doing something we knew we couldn't do for friends we don't have to do that because the Ministry of Education ask okay we want for all our schools a squid and squid bar with a white or black list so we don't we don't have to do it it's down we just say okay we heard and we have a white or black and you don't think that is because they believe this works maybe we'll say may god help you I don't think we will be strong enough now we may put some text here telling the teacher that it is inefficient but anyway yeah they can use it because if they don't believe this is actually working we will be like we shut down for providing a snake or to them Michel Dreschler from Lorraine Academy I must say that the white list is in Academy Narcimus is locked and I agree with you while white is white perfect in Paris Paris to lose we have black list and I think that white list is restricted but security is priority priority and we are obliged obliged to have a white list or a black list but the fact is that they can just move around they don't have to okay okay we should continue okay probably we could have discussion about that later because it was not the main part of the presentation but of course I understand all the things that we discuss so yes definitely Ministry of Education ask you must have all white list and for our department there is no possibility to choose between there is a okay yes but it just come okay now now just a surprise for the moment you see just until the last one we just show you the teaching possibilities of the work but now we are in that also administrative possibilities you saw the first one with the square ground module and now you will see the second one that's to you to manage the uses and then you come in to move in webbing in the Sybux cat murder and thanks to Christian for his work because as you come in here you can you can change little bit last okay so you can just manage the second one second now the cake okay here we are okay then you can just create the uses here create the groups and for the moment it's already we use in France but we are very interested in all the features and perhaps we could just to do a wedding between this module internet access and what we did okay and and I think for the moment that's it on what we did and perhaps I will just invite Christian and Xavier and Benjamin to tell us something about what will happen in the future yes I think the question is what we talked earlier this morning about new ways of getting closer relationships in the different user administration ideas and I think to make this complex thing short we have one idea which is quite interesting there is actually a shell based there to access the user administration tool but the thought of implementing RxCp based for accessing the user administration that means different application can do and they can do the things which normally a user administration tool can do for example at users or deletiers or something like this and the idea is that everybody who is able to write RxCp calls can have make a simple subset of the user administration maybe a simple one for the noodle or complex whatever this may not be maybe this is a short version of what this is about yes in fact it was after a real tough meeting with Christian that we found some direction we could go through the usage of RPC or maybe RPC systems we don't know which one many of them will allow us to build easily specific administration interface for example in France we don't have any central administration for students so each teacher knows its class list with a paper and he has to create its user list too so they will be able to create it with another interface quite different than this one with the noodle theme, colors and way of putting things in web pages and the page decode of this noodle plugin we only have to call the RPC functions of CPC stuff and so it will be very easy to create user, deletiers associate them with groups and so on and surely in the future in the near future using other features of CPC stuff as internet control or surely skeletons for groups and so on so I hope it will be a great announcement in this columnist way of managing users that will allow any local project to manage its user the way he wants to thanks to small interface in the small dvn packages okay, thank you any question? I have one second question here you said you have this internet filtering for students and not for teachers how does this quick art know who is surfing? it's easy, in fact we are not using proxy configuration of all in the web browser we have one line of IP tables who say if the owner of the process is from the group student redirect it to port 3128 and we have a special quick affiliation called transform proxy that made the job so when the students are in the student group or maybe we can define a retracting internet group from this chart to be done and when the students are on this group they are forced to go to port 3128 different parts of the browser proxy settings yes so no, it's on the network level layer, not on the application layer it's in the firewall when you want to go out to port 80 you are forced to go to proxy if you are a student if you are a teacher if you have an impressive password you can the pupils are interested to have the password from the teacher then they can surf so keep your password thank you some good IP base but then I'm very pleased to see all these nice tools heading for the data I hope we can get them ready for the data name hopefully within the spring to get me to edge what can we do from the narration side to help make this happen what you need, what should we do and how can we make sure this happens okay, I think you did it now what we would need to to be told how to get this work into IOT and how do it how do it clever that everybody can understand that's the French project can be used by everybody who wants can be translated and perhaps just to organize a little bit this thing and get that in IOT and get parts help in making data packages and parts there is also dvm.eufr at least.dvm.org who has been created one month and a half ago by this master Rafael also yeah, send us to Rafael also thank you and this list is really bound to help French people speaking French packaging dvm stuff but we always need help to sponsor package and so on okay and that was the first thing there are two very little things that we need also the first thing is we have a program where we start installation because when we install the first you have a very little user and the partition which contains user is very early yes, it's very and the first thing we have to do to put this into is to resize the partitions and that's and that's you can't imagine we can't just give the first set of containers and our own to somebody who don't don't know anything about computers and asking to resize that's not possible and that's for us a big problem we need that solve it's not a bug but it's for us a difficulty and the other thing please what we would what we would need would be at the end of the installation when you choose to install in French and just one more question do you have the second CD of the label FL and if yes then you go on an installation of that that you don't have to again to ask to somebody to go to a console and to type out CD room and then a search point slash inside you know it's just very very easy at the end do you have the second CD of screen mix.deferre do you like the French solution? what you say that I want to explain a way that it can be done but maybe people have another way of thinking what can be done to propose the second CD or propose different parts in size but these two issues are going to be important for us but it's easy to install but there is a solution all is in the mainstream and there is no question just put it in the windows box oh and you see what do you want to do with it music then watch the videos or install something first try to give some ideas about the two last problems Finar has made some changes to the boot process that will before any partitions are loaded look in the file system if there is a file with information about resizing it will resize the partitions before they are loaded so all you need to do is touch a file and immediately the resizing has happened that's quite an example it's not equally default installation yet we probably should implement it because resizing in USR is what do you want to create in the right size in the first place we want to have the option of installing on really small disks it is configurable it's a fraction of the complete disk size within limits so we can change the maximum result as well the maximum is 4 gigabytes the maximum is quite high at least so if you are working really big disks the USR partitions should be quite big no it's it's always 500 mega no no I will forcefully defend the minimum value to make sure I can still install QMU but to increase the maximum value is no problem this one has already been refurbished for the installation system we just implemented a new boot flag to get more options and I suspect we could do an extra CD boot option as well and it asks if you have more CDs and then do them that way but what's important to understand is that the bureaucratic principle that Knud mentioned yesterday is important we have too many ideas and too few people implementing them so if you have a good idea you have to implement it to make sure it actually happens to just bitch about that the manual doesn't really work so I'm more than welcome or I'm happy to help you find out how to do these things but I have too many things to do and everyone else also have many ideas to be implemented you have to like push it through and work from person to person and make sure it does its thing to get all these implemented properly I've got a quite point about this I like to do aggressive principle but the point is that for those two special and specific problems we tried to find a solution but we were not even sure that it was the great way to do it the best way to do it the clever one it has so many implications and it's quite important in the crucial part of the boot process and the install process its processes we don't we are not expert on and it's quite hard to come and propose a patch or propose something that will certainly be rejected so we have to find a way to don't be afraid of that because even bad ideas trigger good ones so if we get a bad idea or a bad implementation we jump back or fix it it's not dangerous to do changes just make sure you can defend your changes and explain why you don't propose dangerous changes so that we will be able to do it clever thanks for your help ok I think it's a problem to consider problems particularly then so I want to I want to the chance to to act I want to make short announcements what the project leader has spoken about he's spoken about then can you please listen to me then you guys there was a project leader meeting also today the cute Thierry and I and we had one listener he can tell that I tell you the truth now he spoke about different points and we suggest we have some suggestions the most important point is brought from Thierry we will start to get a new finance project with a big number of euros and we had to find more partners partners in the eastern part of Europe will be really good to have them so everybody like this guy who has given two Linux days now in Slovenia because he has a really nice girlfriend there he has the connection to the ministry of Slovenia so he had to join this group wow welcome to the team so we need more of them to get this running I give you the dates we had to fill out the first paper we had to give in every county at the first of November of this year so there's enough time but we had to start today because it's a lot of bureaucracy the first step is not so difficult and then the first of March in 2007 we had to have 40 pages of paper somebody who can write a lot of things like Ralph for example he will translate it and give it to the authority but this is one you have also Radio Vorbach Radio Wienerfeld Radio Vorbach we have very special members who can't do that and do it very well I'm blended what was the next one the web pages we are all unzufried uncertified with our web pages we decide to suggest the community to do it like this we need 10 or 20 pages in the blown system as showcase and nothing more and the rest should link to other web pages or wikis or what else and also we propose or we suggest the community to use now what wiki and then we have a German wiki and we have the big advantage that one of the wiki developer is sitting there he's smiling now but he doesn't know what while we will interlink at start time 3 different wikis the deviant wiki should be filled up with English pages technical technical? no we will fill our German pages into the deviant wiki so that everybody from the deviant team will learn Scottish Linux it's a really big project so this is one lesson second is they started they announced it here they have also more and more wiki Alexander you hear it we will interlink the German the French and the English written wikis so that we can have different names of pages but only to click and you are on the other server in the other language so there is now a lot of future to fill up pages this is the second point then we set the new member process we will first translate what there is there are some things in the German wiki they are not translated there are some papers also in Norwegian how the Norwegian do with new members when they come and we will at the next international gathering we will merge these papers only as suggest not as as we do like I think you can come but also to show there is a way to come into the team but not very quick you have to fill out also some things we need