 You're welcome back. It's still the breakfast on PLOS TV Africa and right now we're going to bring you Something from off the press. We sincerely apologize. It's starting a little bit late today But we're going to cover as many headlines as possible. We are glad to have with us architect Ezekiel Nyaitoke, a public affairs analyst that will be talking with us from Aqaibom. Good morning and welcome to the show, Mr. Tanjok Good morning Good morning. Yeah Okay, it's unfortunate. I called you a Tanjok. Why did that enter my head? I don't know Ezekiel Nyaitoke. Okay. Let's begin with the punch newspaper this morning We're not beginning with the boldest headline there. I'm going up the very top Story there. The very the story at the very top, rather Oyetola, Lalong, Bagudu, 16 others make second ministerial list remember that the president sent in a List of ministers or would-be ministers to the National Assembly just before The deadline that he was given now the second least has been sent to the National Assembly and Oyetola, Lalong, Bagudu and 16 others make the second ministerial list So it's a governor's affair or something. I don't know I would like to have your take on what is happening. The list so far that has been sent to the National Assembly how you assess it and if you feel that least has the people that will drive the economy, drive the nation and Everything to where this administration is telling us that they are going to take us Okay, again, thank you for having me and Maybe it's as well that the video is not working this morning because I'm not sure that I would My look would have been pleasant So I think it's almost fine. I actually feel very Uncomfortable. I feel very sad I think of this country and I just keep asking God to help me to keep folk alive Why do I say this? I am somebody who contested the job not of my head and One of the most important things and I take things to everybody at every time is like Politics is a game of interest and the winners must be allowed the latitude to solve all the Politicians, let's have an understanding of how I can take care of your interest make you to enjoy or several your victory, but One thing I will not come so much and I will not accept for any reason in the world is my cabinet You must allow me that free hand There may be 13 or 15 people that I will have as my Commissioner There's so many other things you can have but allow me to choose my commissioner number two, none of my commissioners must be Any political leader in any way you must not get into being the political leader of this place or that place You must be removed completely from Politics and give me what I want because I have the foundational understanding That my government is going to be as strong or as weak as the quality of my cabinet So you can understand how I feel when I see the people based on my understanding of what a cabinet is Look at what is happening. We were told that our President who is a genius when we come to put in together a team, you know to drive a system and We waited for the world of today We couldn't even get them all Now we are having What I don't know whether in the last part or the next part They're all considered Look at the number of people that are there Do the analysis of the people You have all this From a governor. I don't mind if you a former governor Let me let me do an analysis of the state that you govern And you have put a bright path that bring you to national What like something that would say wow this way? I'll give you one example when Babas in the fashion last left Lagos Everybody held me When he came to the center Forget about how we perform thereafter Every Nigerian state this is one government that should be you know to come on the Nigerian project Please of all the problems that are on the I want somebody to come out three of Those that were the shining stars that we were excited to have in the cabinet So at the end of the day my brother With ended up having one of the bigger I think the largest cabinet but now it is for several Now Buhari had for two The Constitution demands to pull it 37 36th and the capital territory But now we've had a chance And we don't even know the rationale behind it whether it is to you know, make food for the boys or Because the after the exigencies we are talking of lean government. We're expanding the government Oh There's a lot of things that my brain Okay, let's take another very small headlines. They are that the corner are they Story is on page 11 of the punch. It's about Niger. We're living in Nigeria. We're going to knee jail Let's just take the headlines together knee chair Nigeria cuts pass apply echo as vows to confront John so far we've heard they the stand of knee chair and The possible countries that will support them should there be a confrontation. We've also heard what echo as Community is saying about what is happening in the chair how they have to confront knee chair and they have to reinstate the democratically elected President of that country. I don't know. How do you see the the actions of echo as you know And the response coming from knee chair and Mali Bokina Faso and some other countries that are sympathetic with the course of knee chair Yeah But I think that Things are we take our eyes off the ball We do a lot of Analyses and then things around events of J there we need the fundamental number one What happened in Niger? What happened in the jail is that a democratically elected government fails to expectation of the people and created an opportunity for an opportunity or the opportunity to strike Now you want for in and help the people But please tell me the reaction of the people in the jail Are they Incense are there on happy are they living are they so angry and taking to the streets And so we don't want these people we want our democracy Oh We know we don't like Unless we realize that then we need the possibility God forbid of DJ happy Nigeria and Two things we must look at concerning the jail because there are so many things I can look at We took a boot on the ground Who are we just going to provide the fit on the ground? We Nigerians that That we don't have enough money to cross up to be Are we the same one going to find it come up? That's number one number two When do we do all these things usually? On the network based on table We know that the And From you from here Who would be the one to Possibly My appeal to me is that You should know that People are suffering in this country Enough of the fun. I Am concerned. I'm bothered. There's a lot of analysis There are things that you have to make for that I could actually Go is like it's like on your field Issues are what happened What does that mean? Are we happy? Are we seeing the dividends of democracy? Are we proud of democracy? Are we seeing the governance that really is running and looking at the essence of government and government? That's things that the situation of the schools have been the primary purpose of government Is that what we're having in Nigeria? Today we must know that Government Okay, well today is They is it the second day or the third day of august September October November three months from now three months and three days Paul Bia Will be in office for he has been in office in fact for since 1982 and Nobody's talking about it. And if he's ousted tomorrow the people will say the The worst democracy is better than the best Military rule and all that they are a little simp not to look at the issues like you have just said and now Whenever the consequences come up they begin to talk about it I do hope that they will look into issues like this and see that these schools will not happen again So that people will get good governance and know the true Benefits of democracy but talking about the benefit of democracy and still staying with the punch newspaper We have this very bold Headlines on the punch and the headline is talking about the minimum wage Banks offices shot amid rallies the labor demands 200,000 wage we hear that the labor had a meeting with the president and Or the presidency and a lot of things were discussed But now we are being stared in the face by the reality on ground labor is demanding 200,000 Naira wage amid all the things that they are also demanding for is this really the solution Raising the money that we are being paid us as civil servants are being paid or Some other things can be done to make the life of Nigerians better It's a when the funder Entirely The result cannot be any better We have a job That does not let us Understand what goes on the main You see if I tell you to A million dollars Satisfaction Without thinking Especially for you to see wow if I have a million dollars Don't solve my problem But if you start back to see You realize that And that they are Whereas you It means that you have Why am I saying this To Education For the question is if they have this money Will they have those And the answer is maybe not why because When they have this increase in money Then inflation will set you What you used to use 6,000 Naira for And hoping that the other one 6,000 Naira You see the balance That housing will improve to 100,000 And then what happens 50,000 has been taken off First phase will move that way Everything will move that way Especially will move that way To the end that The 100,000 200,000 In two years Equivalent to your foreign Amount So what progress have you done No But if we have Of them That know and understand As a special infrastructure They understand Harder and easier They understand They understand health As a good necessity And work to provide Those necessary fees Then you will realize that Instead of the 6,000 Naira That you are paying for education You are now paying just to pay That really means Actually now things are 30,000 points You know, basically that's the The thinking If we have a government That is able to provide the The infrastructure It means that the same It means that the money That they have Have more value for the money that they have Increasing the money And taking the risk of Inflation Making nonsense of the money Exchange rate Moving from 200 To 800 Naira to a dollar Within a span of Lethargy It's not acceptable So we are not going to Increase the value of our money And we don't even have the More expensive movement where It's 30,000 Naira I mean how do you How do you see a plan For not this 10 days And you want him to do it I mean are you thinking Or is there something we don't So my brother You know all this talk Without addressing Maybe because of that You know If the foundation is destroyed What can the rightful do Right now we are not Taking the foundation and the Fundamentals of Governor Don't bring analysis and do All of those throwing money at everything And throwing money at all that Is about being on the Being on the This state of Nigeria But it has a lot to say We don't We have to concern about Please don't give me sacrifice Please don't give me sacrifice That's why one of the Things that are made in this state By entities that say I perish and carry But now when We are talking We are talking about the Consent We are talking about the Consent For two years After two years We are talking about my Let's move away We are talking about my Work so hard After two years You will have been on other Seconds and we will not For you We are passing now And they will announce Look at what is going on Look at We are talking here the Chief man Okay, well, you've already mentioned Kandu. Today, supposedly, the A.P.C. in Nagu will rectify Ganduja as chairman of the A.P.C. What a man to give Nigeria. Yeah, well. What a man to give Nigeria. Well, he didn't, he failed in the ministerial. In the ministerial list, they didn't pass him. The DSS failed him, as it were. And now he's going to be the A.P.C. chairman. So that's very interesting. There's also a headline in the Guardian now. We are talking Guardian. Cabinet size near 70, as Tinobu ignores call for lean government. It is showing that I will do something differently. It may not be the real thing that is on his mind right now. But we're also looking at some other headlines also in the Guardian. I don't know. Maybe you want to comment more on the fact that Ganduja is going to be the chairman of A.P.C. You started talking a little bit about it, but let's just continue with that briefly. What do you think? This is someone who was bring out by the DSS. And then there's still this case that his dollar case is still in the court, even though the courts have said that he should not be probed and all that. I don't know why they keep doing that, that you can walk to the court and say, Court, please stop them from probing me, even though there are evidences against me and all that. And the court accepts to do that. I don't know how the law works, but let me give that for another day. So what do you feel about if that Ganduja finally becomes the chairman of A.P.C.? Let's tell you something. This is my constructive theory. There has been this streaming romance between the president and Mr. Kwong Khosso. Now, that romance seems largely to the extent of second-term policies, where Kano is absolutely important to be in the hands of the current administrator so that between Kano and Legos and Protakot, they will get substantial number of votes. Now, for that to be, it means that when you get a man like Kwong Khosso, then there may be a threat to a man like Shethima. Because if you look at Shethima's control of the North and votes from the North, you discover that it's not as impressive as it would be as the politicians. So the question is, what do we do? Shethima says, let me romance with Kwong Khosso. Shethima says, no, you can do that. And for you to neutralize Kwong Khosso, let's see what we can get from Kano. And probably the biggest thing we can do is to be the chairman from Kano. I don't have anything to say about this. But my question is, why can't we get? I know it's not been stressed of my knowledge, convicted by the 18th Court of Constitutes, which I'm not aware, but I know that in the court of public opinion, the gandana story is something that can be fixed with the wave of the hand. So why do you insist on it? And there's also this question, I don't know how to oppose that. You were supposed to be one of the ministers from the North, but that the businesses fail to face. Is that the case again? What sort of faith do you want to speak Nigerian from your party? I think there's something that's wrong with the FTC. I don't know what they are doing. But I would wish that anyone like Mr. Kinobu, to just forget the concept of faith. They are all the countrymen and work for Nigeria. And the God that is here and coming through, we'll know how to turn things around. At the end of the day, you can do all those things, the best thing is that your breath is not stressed. And the Bible says, whether it's the last of the things, and what type of things, and he's the one who takes off things and brings back things. So I think that we should see a God and work to spread humanity and allow God to make decisions on how to reward us. You just talked about the fact that you should forget about the second term and all that. It gives me an idea that you think that the second term will depend on how much the people love whoever is going to be voted in. Is that what you're saying? Yes. I'm telling you that after what happens this time, I net chairman will not be there because the FTC will be termination. I can say that with every person of the country. But the person that will be there will be someone that will be selected by this government more or less. Because they come, they come, they come. Who's selected? I don't see a man. Why not do good long term? Only that one. If this government, something like this continues like this, in less than one year it will be the most popular government. But I want to believe that some of them that have said anything and that before the same idea will start to see what we are not saying is positive. If that is the case, there's no problem. But if it continues this way, if you like appoint the next chairman, the office of the FTC is becoming very strong. And some of us are starting to energize that office of the FTC. We are starting to take up real serious enlightenment on the office of your right. So that I want all 20% of this government to take on the FTC shop. Something has stuck in Nigeria by the opportunity best. We want to move that ideology from a place to a state ideology. Because as of now, linking the oblivious ideology to the FTC which is not really right, we have to come to see the spirit of us to be in FTC. That spirit to be in FTC. That spirit to be in FTC. And what is the spirit? The spirit of good governance. The spirit of specializing, specializing, the spirit of university law. Let us have the right people. When that spirit has been captured and made a personal mantra, then 2020 is going to be a different world together. Well, I don't know. While you're doing that, even though this is not headline, let's digress a little bit. While you're doing that to give enlightenment to the people, what are you doing to improve the security? Because if you see the office of the citizen as you're calling it was very, very active during the presidential election or the national elections, that is the presidential and national assembly election. But when it came to the state elections, when the governors and the state's House of Assemblies members were elected, the spirit died down a little bit because of some of the things that we saw after the presidential election and so many others. Do you think that spirit can come back just by telling the people they know their rights because it's like telling me that I should never allow a policeman, for instance, who is holding a gun to search me because it's my right not to be searched or my phone to be taken from me. I might exercise my right and lose my life. So Nigerians are afraid of losing their lives just because they want to exercise their rights. So what are you doing to address while you're doing the enlightenment of the people on the kind of rights that belong to them? What are you doing to improve the security situation in such a way that people will be confident enough to stand for their rights and by their rights? Let me tell you something. A lot of times we lose moment. In the Bible it's often things like kind of moment. You know? Don't don't don't don't don't don't don't Nigeria, One of the things that happened was that in.... Yeah. We tried to Why. the same thing with the under Prime Minister It was unsuspecting that any body, where you know who decides to run for president, will as much as think, not even think, will as much as think of winning the God. Think about it. Put your mind back. Nobody would think, in any calculation, that you know what to confess the problem or should. And they would even think. They would think they have maladya to think that they are the same level. The guess was, it would be the neighbor movement. Think the new book is like us. Let us know that times come on cal stations here. Magicians are afraid to die. Magicians are afraid to die. They have trapped themselves with bombs and kill. Oh no, we love life. That won't work out until bombing became so rampant. You know, it's like, we don't know, we love our life. It's kind of exploding. Let me tell you something. It's time come and if that time has come, if that time has come, the Nigerians that think are afraid will stand up. And they will make a bold statement. Even look at yesterday, the labor movement. How many people dismissed the wave of the hand? At the end of the day, I was there in the court in Akwaibon. I had all my, it's unfortunate that the spirit is all working today. Because you are seeing in my full legality, with the cap sent to me by the NLC president himself. I was there in front, as with March, she got me out of Akwaibon city. And I want to commend the governor of Akwaibon. Because he didn't allow what happened in Prima and Akwaibon to happen. Actually, he came out in first thing. He did not send the boy. He came out in first thing. He addressed labor. And he took time to present these things to them. And so he didn't send them. You know, I know me and him, we are in the party, we are in the appeal court. The decision and the appeal court team does not mean that if I see something good, I will not say this is good. If I say something bad, I will say this is bad. I think it was very, very good of him. He came and talked to the people, told them what he was doing, picked up the panel, asked for 10 days, and everybody was very happy, you know. So what am I trying to say? That was a process of very successful. And he is trying to say, that if the president decides to meet them, which was a very wise decision, and I commend the president as well, to call the neighbor leaders and talk to them. And he didn't send them now, you know, to talk to them. Because that's the final box. Once the governor speaks, once the president speaks, those are the final, that is, so we say, make a decision. Make a decision. In a long way, they say, I am political protest. That means the governor, the man I said, does not say it's over, you know. He cannot stop voting. They say, they say, that with the master can exit the site, and you can ask him direct questions. If he has any questions, I will get across to the president. Because the president was there, he just answered from the spot. Everybody was happy. So, I mean, you know, it was a labor civil society thing. You know, the thing was just labor. And I want to commend the civil society for that site. Because we were left to be able to learn and work in a good job. And not as an employee, but also for ourselves. Because the civil society was able to look up to the neighbors, they were able to bring up what was policy. And as a result, we were able to attract any kind of concerns of the civil society. For people already to take to our own thing. So far, I think that there are moments where it is possible. Okay, architect, that's the way we have to drop it. We were glad, like you said, that the president called the laborer and they talked. And one of the things that was promised, or the things that were promised, what's called refinery will commence operation in December this year. That's what Ginobu promised the labor leaders in that discussion that they had. And we also know that the marketers are saying that when there is local refining, the cost of PMS will come back to as low as 70 naira. We've started applauding in advance, even though we have not seen it. We hope that it does happen. A lot of things that we've heard that will happen Let's see how this one is going to happen. We'll wait and see. But we'd like to thank you for coming on the show this morning, architect Ezekiel Nyaito. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Yeah, okay. That was architect Ezekiel Nyaito, public affairs analyst talking to us from Aquabomb State. We'll take a short break and when we return, we'll take our last segment and wrap up the show. Stay with us.