 Hello everybody if it's Monday and for some reason we're online that must mean because they decided to have Warhammer Fest this week And so we're doing a little Warhammer Fest reaction show So you probably shouldn't start shows like that anymore Why isn't it why does it it changed its screen? Oh, there we go. Are we okay? There we go We're finally catching up. Sorry. I was watching the live feed and it was like me and wonky Yeah, it screws up the thumbnail whenever I do that now. It's very annoying to me. So stream labs fix that anyways Warhammer Fest man day one the AOS focus day Tom, what did you think? I mean, it's AOS It's great, you know, like I'm glad we got new models. We've obviously we were confirmed that then this is the final book of Of broken realms which is exciting ish Yeah, yeah The models are nice. I mean we've seen a lot of them The reality is we've seen a majority of what was like shown today as part of the reveal. Okay, what are your thoughts? Yeah, my thoughts was I was right and you can either Accept that I was right and I will accept all of your formal apologies Written on vellum and mailed to a P. O. Box So at any rate I Thought Cragnos was super cool, but let's get into it man. We got a lot of stuff here. Yeah, let's talk it Okay, so we start off of course really there were two sort of main Areas here that we had the sole blight and Then Cragnos basically everything that's remaining until AOS 3.0, right, right? Okay, so we said like I'm going in reverse order because I don't like how it does it by the way I'm not counting this thing down here. We're not even gonna talk about it because I don't care So if you're excited for that thing, I'm excited for you Next, okay All right, so let's get into the the the the meat of it Yep The the dire wolves right so we got our new little dire wolves here What do you think of the dire wolves? There's a model that's needed updated for a long time Like I love it. I Couldn't tell if the howling dire wolf is like If there are multiple builds or if it's like a set of fixed builds Right. Yeah, sure, but in my glance like I don't want one in every five dire wolves howling I Don't know I do I think you know about this guy who's like got his mouth straight up in the air Yeah, I like it like I like it But like it's gonna be weird like that should be the unit champion, right? And then you can find him really easily because he's the one leading the pack But I don't know like I can just imagine because I've had other model lines where like you have a bunch of monopos stuff and There's just a bunch of Like it's nice. I'm glad that we have new dire wolves It still bothers me coming into AOS and Warhammer in general where like dire wolves just mean like undead wolves rather Yeah, sure dire wolves now there rather than dire wolves. Yes coming from D&D where they mean something very different Yeah, I mean, I assume it's one in ten and like let's be honest Tom You're never gonna take them in units bigger than whatever the min sizes because this is Chapin always has been I mean, I don't know with the one wolf hero. Maybe maybe there's something there like you never know You never know what's been written in there. It's a fair point if it turns out that That because of all the other wolf related themes in this bloodline that wolves get really awesome and suddenly everybody's running 30 packs of wolves or something That's fine. Just put the one who's howling who's who becomes your doom wolf put him way up on a big rock So there you go. He's like the the go for the three wolves pose Although I will say this It's kind of funny that he's kind of like your musician. Sure sure. Yeah, absolutely The bird eating the back of the one with all this all the skin off his face is a yeah, babe Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he's a he's a it's a they're great models and I'm glad that they got updated Yeah, I really like the way the flesh is worn away on them in some places quite differently Some you could see bone some they're still muscle. It's actually really nice It's like they did a great job of kind of bringing that all together. So I really agree a plus on on the dire wolves I think they're great. I mean look, what were you expecting? They're dire wolves, right? Like, yeah, there's a top end on this There's a ceiling. It's you know, I don't know what to tell you It's they're they're hilarious to me. You've kind of keyed up to this But it's hilarious to me that we have a bunch of Like wolf themes. Yeah, sure like and we've seen this with the other armies for that Like, you know what like here's a single unit or a single idea. Let's blow this out Sure, and like wolves not what I anticipated in the vampire I mean, it's always been part of the vampire lore that you know, I'm not I'm not saying that it's a bad thing I'm just I didn't see them going this direction with like all of the wolves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, so it says remember a while back when we had all the rumors of like werewolves being in whatever this release was That tells me where that rumor played telephone and got to us because people saw all this Yeah, and these big guys and yeah, yeah, so to me these guys are arousing success I think they're great. They look like they I would expect them to look they're fine again Still not dire wolves as I think of dire wolves, but they're great undead wolves. So yeah, of course not Yeah, it's they're they're fine. They're fine Speaking of wolf ladies Belladama here the first of the Veer Coast so she's the oldest which the Veer Coast is like the Wolfie bloodline somebody said she looks like Like the grandmother Terrell or whatever from Game of Thrones, which I agree like if she had been turned into a vampire This is what you look like. I do appreciate that. She has Wolfie feet. Did you catch those Tom? I didn't I didn't I'll have to look closer. That's she has a wolfie feet sticking out from beneath her dress She is she is of course. She does I Like one let me just two things here one. I think this is my favorite model of everything released. Okay, I Do like I really do like it like I like the dynamic pose. I like the angles. I like the textures It's just really interesting to me. I also hate the feet I hate you just made me hate something that I like quite a bit And so I don't know how I feel about that because at the end of the day I think this is my favorite model out of what was revealed. Okay. All right. Yeah, I like all the Sticking on bases, which is we're gonna see as we go forward like a lot of these new models We just got other hangers on just chilling on the base. So yeah Yeah I mean what I will say is that like it was very jarring to me when I realized that like she has live wolves Yes, and then everybody else has dead wolves Like I don't know that we see live wolves anywhere else. It's all it's a it's a it's a whole thing They've got a thing. I know I understand that Yeah, but that struck me when I was looking across the the various images I mean when you see this and the whole wolf theme one does have to imagine that one of the things They looked at was going okay. Can you know dire wolves are battle lying there across the army? What can we do that's gonna be synergistic for the wolf thing if somebody really wants to play into that, right? So I mean, I imagine that they they they're trying to as we've seen with a lot of these books They try to open up avenues, right when you look at like classic seraph on it's like Oh, what if you want to play the skinky base thing or the source base thing or the monster base thing? And I imagine here It'll be like if you want to play the sort of shambling dead thing or the wolf theme or whatever, right? Or the more mounted cavalry or whatever I love her little bull feet. Don't hate you had said I wish they'd get weird Well, now you're gonna eat those words real hard. No, like I'm glad that they're weird for I'm glad they're weird For the fur just my out of my bitterness It's not that I it's not that I want them to be weird But rather you Why don't they get the weird well guess what Tom they got the weird Clearly things that I loved were ruined. So I want it ruined for others Clearly that's what's going on. Gotcha. Well, I love her wolfy feet and think it's hilarious and awesome I know I know like the weird feral vampire thing that got introduced in cursed city and now has continued into this like it's fine Like it's it's a direction. They're going and if that's what they want to do like cool Yeah, I mean one of the things we'll say is this army is gonna have a absolute metric ton of special characters Between the special characters that they've already revealed all the other different vampires, right? Yeah, we have our one generic vampire lord on foot to the bat hair, right? But now clearly we're just gonna have all the special vampires we want and like you already had two existing ones in in Nefarada and and Manfred. Yeah, and now you've got all these new characters were showing as well and the ones because the previous ones they introduced other than bat hair lady is They're all they were all named here. Oh me everyone Okay All right. Yeah, she's awesome. Now. Let's talk about the big boy. Oh boy. Oh boy Rattacar the beast Spoiler alert Yes, exactly. Oh, no, he wasn't actually killed at the end of the story. What a shock. Um, I Don't think you can spoil that that just feels like obvious I mean this dude is hot heroes win right This is your toss, right? This is amazing and he looks huge Like that looks that looks like a larger base than what we had previously. Yeah, he's bigger. He's unleashed You know, it's the beast unleashed here He's he was keeping it on the dl when he's in the city, right? He has to seem somewhat human and normal Right when he's when he's out there And then once once he's lost his political position, it's just like Okay Time to time to freak out, you know and go into full uh full beast mode I mean Is it kind of weird that these are like hybrid werewolf vampires to you like is that is that unusual? No I don't think it's weird Okay, yeah, I mean they're just monstrous I've seen that mean you know, there's a lot of different takes on vampires throughout the throughout the various mediums and Things over the last century or so And some of them are certainly much more beastial right Uh, I do like how he's got the two little guys on his base again these little hangers on Right, you know, and from the and they're and they're creeping on his junk. They are creeping up on his junk Yeah Yeah, one of them looks like he's very this guy right here looks like he's very scared by what he sees hanging out under this tabard right He is like, whoa, what is going on under there? That is the look on his face so Yep Radicar apparently is packing the beast. So at any rate the um Yeah, I mean this guy's good and again more of that wolf theme more in this same bloodline One of the things we've heard is that in the book itself He is going to be the only one out of cursed city that can be taken alone That they'll retain the package by Premise this was sort of a rumor going around. I saw that we'll we'll talk about more this wednesday but That he was going to be alone. He was the thing you could buy alone Now, I don't know if he's going to have a transformation mechanic like do you need his other form and this one? Right or if he'll or if this one comes or if yeah, I don't know That's it's it's Still up in the air. I know the the rumor was his points are separate. So he's not part of the big pack Okay, but did everything else if you want to take it from cursed city still maintains It's like you must buy all these models for this one price, you know yada yada yada, right? right So but I'm glad to see at least he will be alone Uh, this guy's a great design. Honestly, this this flat line is his cursed city model Um The I mean like this thing blows me away, dude Just the size the brutality of it that shoulder pad design is insane Right, uh, like this one this metal the metal shoulder pad up here not the wolf shoulder pad The blood dripping down into the goblet to feed his little minion And by the way that the painters did a really awesome job on this with like his uh his war paint and stuff that he has or whatever Now the question is on everybody's mind tom Was this originally meant to be a cursed city expansion model? That once they realized they were hosed on cursed city. They were like, no forget it. Move it around Just put it in in here instead Did that happen? No, okay, you think this was always the plan Yes And do you know how I know that I'm ready Because this wouldn't I could be wrong sure Could be wrong could be right but I don't like so they sold this as like the sole blight grave lords army. Yeah and I I I would assume the way that they've couched it That they that he will have a war scroll in the book itself Yeah, right I don't think that they could have made those changes at that last minute Fair enough. Yeah, I mean the book would have been printed months ago. Sure. Yeah, the book would have been printed months ago And so and I don't think it does not seem that cursed city's complications, whatever those are developed Like a long time ago Like it doesn't feel like they were known about it feels like no that these are there are recent developments that have led to this change of position Okay So I think he was always in the book. That's what I'm gonna say. All right fair enough now. I will say I think cursed city was supposed to come out in the fall And so and obviously this model itself was never like it would be tricky because he's really big And bigger than the base they generally allow for board games like cursed city Right And so I suspect that there was supposed to be a much larger time gap between the box and the And this book Yeah, that's definitely the case. Yes. There was supposed to be months and months in between these two Yeah, so this would have been more like a sequel like you're finding out his fate much later Right, the game's already been out there for four or five months and then all of a sudden Uh, we learn oh no, he's the beast. We thought was slain is return. Yeah, and that would have been the nature of how they were planning to do this And instead of three weeks later. Yeah Yeah Okay, cool Uh, just look at a couple other images here the pelt on his back and stuff that the little the little the little creeper over here staring at his junk Uh, yeah, I mean overall this model is fantastic. I do hope that uh That this guy is like What I want to see out of all these different vampire lords. Let's talk about this Big picture for just a second We've got a ton of different named vampire lords We do we do like so many now All the named vampire lords and and I don't have any problem with that What I mean is like I I love the idea of like vampires are very special characters It sets them aside to have all these special characters in there. It's cool. I want to see new new named people in the world A plus good. Yes thumbs up The the thing that Rules wise what I want to see with these is that they all have some reason to exist in the army Other than just they're neat It it strikes me that it feels like there there's a real problem No problem. It's probably too strong. It feels like there's a real interesting Okay, let me say it this way. I don't know if for example, they're going to keep great cards for example Uh, I the the rumor was no new model. They are in the book continue Okay, and so what I was going to say is like when I look across the bodies Of the army it felt like there was going to be a really weird set of like holes where you're going to have lots of cheap chaff Sure And then you're going to have blood knights and then on to heroes But no kind of like intermediate semi elite style troop Like you don't have a lot of like multi wound models in here again other than blood knights um It's just a real interesting set of decisions, right? that Like of how the like like I was thinking about the composition of how the the actual army plays Yeah under these bloodlines that they're obviously establishing like these are all in the uh, what's the name? What's the name of his bloodline? I'm sorry. Vircos Vircos like What do you do with that? right like because of the uh It just felt like there's going to be holes in the army because you're going to have a bunch of heroes That have that are going to have specialized rules, right? But but what aspects of the armies can they actually speak to? Yeah, yeah, sure Um, because you're going to have like skeletons and zombies still Like there's not like I don't know like so it's just a real interesting kind of reflection of like what do they do with those things like do we know what's happening to the um to the uh Like the mortis in general that I mean, I think we'll we'll see is the answer. I would my honest answer is I expect most everything to stay No ghosts no no like it'll be all the ghosts are gone get back in your own book No, uh arc on in here, you know, he's off in his own book, right? You can see Things like the var geist and stuff in the big army picture that was down below So, you know, you're keeping most of that kind of stuff you saw the the um You saw the corpse cart still here in the big army picture. You saw the uh, uh Terror geist, you know the unmounted terror guy still back here So, I mean you you get a lot from this picture that that what you would expect of the core of this army is is basically saying the same And I what my hope would be what we open up here when we think about the different play styles of what each of these is going to do That's that's exactly it. I hope that when we look at the bloodlines and how the special characters fit into them Yeah, right Is that we see that each of these rulesets opens up different possibilities for how we're actually playing with the army Uh like you can go horde, you know zombies sort of stuff Just like true horde army classic with just a couple, you know squish your guys at the back Uh leading the fray Maybe you can lean more into the heroes, right? And and go for like the fast wolf theme where you've got like fast hard hitting heroes charging in and trying to to make a lot of stuff right more of like a uh More of what I would think of as like an alpha attack strategy with these overpowered kind of hero hammer characters, right? Not in a bad way. I don't know that's meant to be negative. So I I don't Want to put any connotation on that, right? That's a perfectly viable strategy Um, that's effectively like how fec often plays, right is is that kind of a strategy? um So, yeah, I mean we'll see Uh, let's keep moving along here. Oh this one That this is going to be the marmite one of the bunch tom. Let's talk about the centaur the centaur vampire The vangorian lord. So this is the generic version the sort of like male build of it is sort of the generic version Right the half abyssal terror half vampire uh And so And then you've got the special version up here, which is uh lukavai the The the mother of nightmares or whatever I Love lukavai the mother of nightmares. I think she's incredibly awesome. This thing is so great dude. I love it. I love it Uh, but this thing's gonna be marmite as all get out like even looking at it And I can see people in the chat just going like I love it. I hate it. I love it. I hate it Good, then it's a success Like that's a good model if it inspires that kind of reaction in people And this thing is horrific and weird and wonderful That's my take. This is this is one of the best models they could have done What's shake tom? It's a good bust You mean you like the top half? Is that what you're saying? You like her top half? Uh, I mean what I'll say is I mean yes Like the scale of the upper torso is actually kind of bust style, which is what I'm making a joke about like, uh, but Uh A couple things I think that it feels like it's straight out of castlevania Sure. Sure. It is right. It's a weird horror monster, right? Yes. It is sort of very strange nightmarish creature Yes, so I want to acknowledge that I like that um And so it fits Um, I don't like the wings down Okay Now I know why they did that They wanted it to feel like a bat that's like curled up Right and so when you look at it, it has the the look of like a bat That's like in resting position as hanging from the ceiling or whatever. Um, and so I think that they achieve that very well I just like that's not imposing to me Okay And so I would have loved something that's a little bit more threatening Especially because her posture reads threatening not relaxed. Sure Um, and so that like there's a disjunctive aspect to the composition of the model itself that throws me off as well I just think It's just weird that like The scale feels completely off Okay, why so I don't get the scale sense Because like this is not on like a 32 mil base And so this is not a vampire. This is a giant vampire Yeah, she's big right like Let's take it in another realm He's saying because she's a bigger scale than 28 mil. Like I'm trying to get it. What you're getting at, um Yes, that's exactly right. Like what feels off is that it's like and you're gonna be like, well that makes total sense But um for me it would be like having a goblin In a goblin army That's a size of a troll I mean, she's not that out of scale for god's sakes, but I She's bigger like that's probably 120 mil Like if you look at the photos she is like that isn't a gosh size Uh, I we can I don't know if they've got a photo with her in the middle of everything. Oh, I guess way down here Yeah, they do she's the gosh size Um, and so like her upper torso is really hard to tell me that her upper like She is a big model. She is not small And so like it feels Off as a vampire because she doesn't look like the rest of the vampires Yeah, I don't know. I I doesn't none of that bothers me at all. I I just don't get it I and I and I I guess like off. We've already seen that oftentimes they'll vary the scale with bigger monstrous creatures So like she looks she's not cragno size, but she looks cragno size And it's just weird to me that it's a vampire. That's huge That's part tors. I don't know like I just that's that's what so just junked it to me is the actual scale of the torso and all that Fair enough. Uh, I love her. I think the face is excellent. I think they really designed like they this face is very feminine Something they've had some challenges with in the past Right. Um, I like her being bigger and more imposing. She's monstrous. So yes, that's fine. She's bigger in the same way that like Goro and mortal combat is a much bigger humanoid thing Right because it's not a human anymore. It's a weird monster Right. Like I don't look at like Goro is still a human looking dude Right. Like he's got a face and and I'm giving he's got four Yeah, but like his but his torso is out of scale because he's Like because he has forearms and because he's a monstrous in that way But like this is not that didn't they make a centaur one of those two at later mortal combat game? Anyways, I get what you're saying I like I understand what I want to be the scale to me is weird and that like that's where my critique is Like I inherently I don't hate the monstrous thing. Like I like what they're doing here, right? Um, there are decisions in the sculpting that I would have probably chosen differently But that's that's you know, that's me and that's not, you know, like I understand what they're doing and I respect that um and It's just the weird vamp Like I would have been way more. Okay. If like it was a normal vampire writing this nightmarish beast Sure, rather than like it being the abomination itself and then suddenly this vampire mutated to be huge Yeah, um my answer is I'm Good with it, but I think that's exactly why it's gonna be marlite. I don't right It's fine. My guess is by the way. She's on a hundred mil round given sort of the size right, which is what Nagash is on That's probably true. Yes And so like Again, it's just the scale thing is really weird for me Because I'm trying to understand how a vampire became what she is and got to that scale other than magic Right, like that's what I think that's a big monster of death. She's a weird magically created monster Is she a vampire though? Sure because like I don't know. I just I mean radicar himself is huge. He's like beastly and massive I'm good Why why are they so big because they're supernatural creatures and she's like double supernatural because she's not only a weird vampire, but she's also a half Abyssal monster It feels like we're just playing in video game rules Like they're power marion pith and bigger than other hobbits Right This is not the same it'd be like. Yes. I don't know why it's not the same What it'd be like gandalf gandalf is a hobbit. He's just been scaled up Like he's a hobbit. He's just a really big hobbit. No, you know, this is like we can go back Do you remember the mortyme wizard who kept eating warpstone? It got real big so they literally scaled him up And he was bigger than than normal humans sure Look, I'm just saying this stuff has like Yeah, you can I I just don't buy it I I get that your brain is trying to expost facto Fit on like your conscious mind is trying to reverse justify why you don't like this So you're grasping at whatever straws happen to see to pick out at your mind Again, the scale is something that jumped out at me initially. That's weird But like that none of that changes your subconscious reaction was boo Which is why it was just no, it's just it's okay Like it's I don't hate it like I'm glad that it exists. I'm glad people aren't gonna be excited for it Uh, but it just didn't do it for me fair enough Uh, this one really does it for me. I'm excited for her. I but again, I get cheese marmite I love her. I love her. Yeah Look at that face. It's great It's great. Okay. Uh, don't really like the normal guy The the I like I would always build it as the female version. I think she's so much better than the male version Um So You know, that's fine. It's just you can you can use her as the generic one too. It's just this is my this is my female Ven Vangorian lord like yeah, sure fine easy peasy Uh So, yes, she's pretty fantastic Uh, all right, and that leaves us behind with this and we think we've basically seen most of the models now Uh, so all in all uh, sole blight coming out in may. We're only a few weeks away They did say that that this is uh, that this will be a may release So we we know we've got all these coming very soon Exciting. Uh, yeah, absolutely Now though, tom, it's time to get into the big story literally the big story Of how right I was And how wrong everybody else was Uh, and I'm excited about that So we saw all that they they went through all the new models. We had previously seen right teclis right The twins and stuff like that and of course, they're all wonderful. We're not going to review those again But uh, yeah, we got the cover of broken realms kragnos We got a nice little video. We're gonna skip his rules for a second and just go look at kragnos himself. Let's get to the big boy Uh, so kragnos, he should be on 130 mil round as near as I can tell from looking at the the all-in picture That is the thumbnail for this video Because there were ogres pretty much on the same horizontal line with him and it looked like if you set three ogre bases Across his base, there'd be a little bit of hangover So that would be a put him on 130 mil round pretty standard for a big boy. He's tall super tall. He's a big he's a big boy uh, and There's a lot to break down with this guy tom so much Oh, just some fun things they mentioned like in the video. They mentioned that he's uh 18 wounds with a two up save so he's gonna be hardcore They mentioned that he's uh, he is a god a demigod. That's what that's what jess called him They you know, he's this sort of god beast demigod god of destruction the lord of earthquakes and uh They mentioned that his shield, you know, the legend of his shield is it's like This incredible thing and he chipped gorka morca's tooth once when they got in a punch up And he sort of calls out gorka morca in his release video. What do you think about kragnos tom? I like centaurs. Yeah Sure Sure, what's your take on this centaur? I like big centaurs. Sure. Um He's it's great Okay, neat Yes, and he is the all-around leader like he can he can go into any of the armies He can also clearly be built in some kind of grand alliance destruction force where you just all destruction get pulled into it right so He is just this Rolling thunder that goes across and attracts destruction to him, right? I see a lot of there's been a lot of comments Of people clearly not understanding why this centaur just jumped in here. Tom. What's your take on that? We've got this big centeroid monster this new god of destruction showing in And everybody's like why isn't he beast of chaos? They have centaurs. Why isn't he kernaughty? They have centaurs. Why do we have to get a whole new centaur? Uh because of reasons You want to unpack that a little I I don't know Gotcha You're not sure you got any hot takes on this guy. I don't like I And he was the monster underneath underneath beast grave and croak is the one who locked him there They talked about that in the video. Uh, I mean, I think the answer is this I think that he is probably going to be the Artificial centaur out of which all others derived so the kernaughty were domesticated The the ones in beast of chaos were corrupted And he and and whatever this is this whirlwind of destruction the living earthquake Is a is is a um is a force of nature Sure, and and as were his people He's your um, he's he's your er centaur. He's like the the centaur behind it all I think we see the other centaurs. He's like the one up here that's actually behind all of them Yeah, I think so like I mean I'm like aesthetics for me are a really big deal For armies And like I'm trying to envision running him with like Like with ogres because of scale it's going to look like he has a bunch of toddlers running around Like and so if you put him on the table with ogres It'll but look like a bunch of toddlers if you put him in a giant army. He's literally just going to look like a bunch of like dads with With a centaur buddy. Okay um So like I just his aesthetic Certainly calls out to a bunch of different armies, but I think that uh, it's just I don't know like I hope there's an army behind him at some point Uh, hold on here, uh, Wigin said gw hates orcs orcs I wouldn't bet on that buddy. You're gonna eat those words pretty hard I imagine in just a couple months be careful with or or the statement like that Or saturday or saturday. Yeah, it might be like five days until you gotta until those words come become acid in your mouth Uh, just a little little word of warning there Uh, so so I like I just like to me it's just weird that we don't have any more of his aesthetics Elsewhere and like I understand he's supposed to be this this monolithic thing that's separate. I don't know. I just He doesn't grab me. I'm sure he grabbed some people and for those destruction bros awesome I'm glad that you love him well the, uh Man sex that I can't tell we still talking about vampires. There's still a centaur on the screen funny Funny, uh, yeah multiple two both two of the like biggest craziest reveals today were centaur things Everybody gets a centaur You get a centaur. Yes um the uh My general feeling on this guy Is I get what they were going for they wanted to it is a weird aesthetic choice Like I completely understand that pushback I said he was destruction forever And so that did not I am not let down Beasts of chaos players who were let down if you would have listened to me in the beginning You would not be let down right now you but at any rate uh the um To me he's super aosc and I love the fact that we're getting a new god Sure And I'm excited about the fact that you can that he'll open up doors To go into any of these armies or to bring the armies together in some interesting way I'm excited that he'll sort of herald this age of like life and destruction and stuff like that And I think he's overall a really cool model and I think he's a good addition To the pantheon You know in the end Some of the gods resemble their their Followers more than others Yeah, right And as he says like he didn't start a god Right, so it's a question of whether they sort of Remade them in their image or not right like marathi looks like her snake people because She came out. She wasn't elf. She came out. She took she stole souls out of slanesh And then when she remade the twisted souls, they became snake people like her right because of that tanked. Yeah Yeah Um a lauriel doesn't look like most of her tree people followers, right? She's got a little bit of a woody arm and stuff like that Sigmar clearly cast the the storm cast in his own image right as it were. Yeah But this guy fought his way to the top like destruction is ultimately a meritocracy Right like that's it's a very brutal Uh very simple meritocracy, but it's one where like if you want to be the biggest and the best Then you just punch harder than anybody else, right? You fight your way to the top And so I I kind of enjoy that it's sort of a left turn Of what we got and it's not just Abig orc or abig ogre or abig giant or something like that, right? That it is this ancient creature that was so powerful and fought his way to the top that other That, you know croak and other heroes from that time Uh We're like, oh we got to handle this and put him in a cage under a mountain Well and with that like if he had been a big orc Then he's going to just be looked at as an extension of the orc army, right? And so with him being other You feel That yeah that he's bigger than any of the current armies. I get that Uh, it makes me giggle when I looked at him. The first thing I thought was uh again part of this because I've been playing magic but uh One of the theros gods is iroas Okay, which is the god of victory and he's a big centaur like a big mountain-sized centaur and I saw that and I'm just like and like obviously one of his colors is red and I was like Yep Uh, yeah, I mean, I think this dude's great. I think that's let's let's do let's do this tom How many points is this guy? He can go into any any destruction army They said that he's like I mentioned 18 wounds to up save Uh, we know he he we know he's basically immune to magic Right because he has this rule called the shield and violet Uh tusk breaker each time this model is affected by a spell or an endless spell ability You can roll 3d6 if the roll is greater than the casting value Of that spell or in the spell ignore the effects of that spell or that endless spell on this model In other words, you're rolling against whatever the printed casting value is not whatever the person rolled So he's basically immune to magic Yep, so tom 580 this guy 580. Okay. I'm gonna go 640 Okay, there we go. Does we we have recorded our bets Uh So who have we got showing up in broken realms crag notes then tom that we know we ready to go through the list Yeah, totally. We're getting in crag notes crag notes himself. So kind of kind of all ish destruction ish right the gits Right because we're going to get the inspiration of all of the the git stuff glooms And he and he alluded to in the video the announcement that we'll have The spiders in there too Like he identified them as separate Like doomsite big gits as well as the skitters or the not the skitters and the whatever Ford skitter board or something. Yeah, we've got some more seraphon because we've got mr croak We've got cities because of the witch hunters Yeah, we do. Yeah, indeed. We've got slanesh because of the twins Yep, and we've got sylvaneth because of the Piper over here that's on screen right now as well as a new scroll for a laurel Well, let's do it New 600 point a laurel that is going to be worth it, dude When you know when they rewrite the a laurel scroll, we're going to we're going to get out We're going to get a sweet a laurel. I'm really hoping so I really believe it So I because I think they've seen what they've done with the other gods And they're like we we can do better than this. We can do better than this Yeah, and we'll have excelsius too because we know that excelsius is under siege. Oh, yeah. Yep, you're right There you go Which I'm excited about I loved I I've loved excelsius as a city. So I'm I'm really excited to see what It kind of come to life in the rules Uh, I agree. So there's going to be I mean it's going to be packed This is going to be I I think we're going to end on a high note here They also confirmed that this is the last book This is it broken realms over so we all look forward to aos 3 being announced on saturday Yep, uh, just might as well like lock it in now Yep, yep Slam that button give us that new chamber show us them sweet new brittonian stormcast and whatever new orcs are coming in the in the Release box like let's do this Okay And so That then raises the following question tom. You ready? Yep. Yep. Skaven Blades of corn Beasts of chaos Three army disc discontinued not touched at all in broken realms Okay discontinued It's yeah, sure. That's what they're doing. I'm just gonna discontinue a chaos god Here over corn. We're done with you. We're canceling corn um the These three armies does that mean to quote. Hey woe twitch. Does this mean a battle tome is on the way? Okay, are these going to be our three candidates for early aos three battle tones Well, let me let me pipe in and say this beast of chaos was one of our first battle tones in the prior edition Uh, it was literally so it's one of our oldest sure. Um uh Bloodbound of corn has consistently been an underperforming uh Army Sure, and they've rewritten it like seven times Um over the course of two editions So, I mean that's an overstatement of course, but I mean we've had like 72 corn books. Yes, correct And uh, so beast and then Skaven um I mean they're fine I wouldn't be surprised if if Skaven. I mean Skaven could use some refining So I think that the changes that need would need to be made are going to be deep enough that it's going to require a battle tome itself And so that wouldn't surprise me And by the way, they probably are your new uh chaos army Just as if you get a refresh storm cast line You're going to get orcs as your primary new destruction release. Sure releasing a new Skaven line not surprising Yeah, I mean we all know that I would absolutely love to see a refresh of the Skaven line. It's it's aging It's aging a lot. There's a lot of that range That has been around since literally the 90s. There's still a lot of that range in metal It very much needs the the necron treatment Uh, and you and you originally called that You would call that as a release box. Yeah, you thought that instead of orcs. It would be that I believe I call the orcs. I think that's right. Yeah, which yeah Which I think you will prove out correct on that one um So, yeah, I mean my my the hope is that that's exactly what that means They didn't touch those three because they know that those three are going to be getting new tomes Let's call it within the first six to nine months Does that seem fair So, uh, I buy one next year Yes by q1 by the end of q1 next year, right I think we would have at least all three of those new tomes in place And I wouldn't even be surprised if we see Skaven by the end of the year They could absolutely they've they've they have launched the the the lead up to christmas army launch Like a relatively there's a there's a there's a regular october big army release Yeah, there's precedent for that certainly. Yep. Yeah And so I think we could see an october Skaven release october ish Obviously all timelines are up in the air right now with logistics and all that stuff, but Yep So, I mean, there's just so much of that line that they feel like they could refresh and that the end if you move this Gave in the story sort of forward and spark off the clans into what they should be in aos Their last book felt like a just a placeholder catch-up book Right like hey, here's that you've got all those figs. Let's just give you some way to use them Right, it didn't really advance their place in the world in the same way that cities did when you look at cities Yes, it gave you like a hey, here's how to use all your crazy figs Right that you have from your old empire army or or old You know high officer stuff like that whatever dwarfs But at the same time it really set a narrative for them in a trajectory that they have continued to build on All these new cities we keep getting all these different ways to play It sat them in the world you understand how they advanced where they were why they were what they were doing It was a really really I say I think landmark book So I think That you could do the same thing with scaven and the under empire. It's always been the dark collection of cities So I'd love to see that book happen along with a refresh of the model line. Do you think We've been calling this for like five years So the answer's probably no, but i'm gonna pitch it out there anyways Do you think that This could that beast could be our first gold faction Oh beast of chaos like leaving behind Beast of cragnos. Sure. Yeah, could they could they leave behind chaos as their only Sort of faction. I don't know be sure. I was called the first children of chaos Yep, and so it's it's hard for me to imagine, but I do believe they'll get a book pretty fast Because they're aware that if they kill battalions in a os 3.0, they're shutting back off marked beastman Which is something that has a very long pedigree when it goes back to the 80s, right? Right and people really love it So They're going to want to reinstate that pretty quickly So following with a beast's book on the back would be interesting Could there be break off factions that could also run in destruction and get attracted to cragnos? Maybe that'd be cool. I'd be down for that The words of cragnos. I'd love to see that I'd love to see beasts ultimately have a lot of different ways They kind of go where they lean more into chaos and lean into the the marks and stuff like that or lean more into Uh, maybe just destruction and the you know their desire for for kind of wanton Wanton rampant destruction of civilization. That's what they want That's ultimately their motivating factor, right is to bring down everything that's been constructed to bring things to ruin Which seems kind of like this guy's mo as well Right, right, right. That's what I said. So like Yeah, maybe this is our first gold faction. Yeah, like truly gold faction No, I and I don't count the suns You know adam said weren't the suns at bad not the first one I I don't count them because they could they had one you could take one big model and ally it into everybody But it suddenly it didn't take much of its rules. It was just like here's a big monster You can put in any army fine. I have no problem with that But a gold faction would be literally like page one chaos allegiance abilities page two destruction Allegiance abilities completely different army Right, right, right, right and they take on different keywords depending on yeah, yeah Yeah, it would be like if you took the seraphons difference between starborn and coalesced how that then branches the rest of the book All the battalions are locked to starborn or coalesced right all the sub factions are locked to starborn and coalesced It would be the same thing here Yeah, they'd be great. It'd be great. Yeah, so I'd love to see cragnos lead that way and bring his centaur boys home So there you go. That was the reveal today. Uh all in all great stuff. Uh, I am very excited about cragnos I have What's that How about those witch hunters? Yeah, the witch hunters are great. I know I mean, they're still great and I am at The question is going to be how much additional city's rules do we get beyond just? Uh, like Celsius beyond just yes beyond just that so I hope we get the full rules um, yeah Yeah, uh, I mean I have an ogre army and uh an iron jaws army So and a sons of badminton army because tom I've come to realize I might be a destruction player I mean Yeah, you're pretty timmy I am pretty timmy and when they were like this dude will run forward and smash everything I was like Tell me more. I'm in go on. This is what I'm here for So are you just going to run him at havoc just like nothing else but him? I see no issues with this I see Yeah Dan wanted to know cragnos will get army boxes. What are the army boxes? Right like the battalion boxes. Yeah comes with the broken realms I don't think it matters whose battalions are going away Sure, but we'll still get boxes that are that it can be good deals for buying It'll be something serifon ish It'll be something because we haven't gotten serifon. Yeah, we did. We got that It'll be something like skink oriented serifon is probably or sorus oriented. Okay. There will be a slanesh one There will obviously There will be a serifon one again. As you said, yes We'll get the starborn serifon one probably instead of the monster focused serifon one We will get a silvaneth one I think we'll get excelsis. I think we'll get a city's and that's the fourth. Yes. Those are your four. Yeah. Yep. Yeah I and it's a shame that that like Hopefully it's mainly storm cast because if it is I mean, it'll probably be some cities people But if it was mainly storm cast then they would all be s battalions it'd be like the serifon the silvaneth the slanesh And uh the storm cast all get boxes only s battalions in this one. We're we're bringing in the s tier battalions Indeed. Yeah, so there you go All right. Cool. Good reveal show. Uh, obviously tomorrow is like 40k Wednesday is box games Which could be could be something who knows probably won't be uh thursday I think is another four or no thursday is like, I don't know the little schedule Doesn't matter. The important part is we'll probably have to be back. We'll be back for our normal show on wednesday You know what? I think we'll get a gloom. We'll get a gloom spy box. Sorry now that I think about it I think we'll get a gloom spy box. Okay. 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