 The Mac Observers' Mac GeekGab Episode 673 for Sunday, September 3, 2017. Greetings, folks, and welcome to the Mac Observers' Mac GeekGab The Show, where you send in questions, tips, and cool stuff found we share it all with the goal of each of us learning at least four new things every single time we get together. Sponsors for this episode include the PDFPen family from Smile at SmileSoftware.com slash GeekCare.com, where when you visit Care.com slash MGG, you get a 30% discount off of their premier membership. We will explain what that is shortly here and Harry's, where at Harry's.com slash MGG, you can get a free trial set just for paying three bucks in shipping. We'll tell you more about that shortly here too and here in Durham, New Hampshire, I'm Dave Hamilton. And here in Fairfield, Connecticut, John F. Brunt. How are you doing today, Mr. John F. Brunt? And I should point out just in case something dramatic happens between Friday and Sunday when this is released, we are actually recording on Friday because of some scheduling and such going on for Labor Day weekend. But so how are you today while we record this, John? But I'd say we're a low drama show, so shouldn't be a problem. Well, right. But I'm just saying, you know, who knows, Apple could announce some acquisition tomorrow. I doubt they will. But you know, hey, it is the season. Yeah, I'm just saying cool. It's getting cool. That's the weather's awesome. I love this weather. I mean, it's a little early for it, but that's OK. I'll take it. I like it. It's good. I like the version where you don't need heat or air conditioning that and that's where we're at right now. Totally. Yes. Good balance that that is rare, but yeah. Well, rare here. There are places that have that year round. We just don't we just don't live in them. But maybe Jeff does. I don't know. But Jeff has a question. Jeff says, due to the small 256 gig SSD in my mid 2014 MacBook Pro, I have my photos library and iTunes on a USB 3 drive that is now five years old. I want to move the content, contents of this drive to a new drive that I have purchased is a simple copy paste the best way to do this. Should I use carbon copy cloner to make a clone of the drive instead? Any thoughts are helpful. You know, I do this too. I, in fact, on nearly every machine that I have, I have iTunes and photos and several other things just off on an external drive for exactly the same reasons so that I can get away with, you know, either a 256 or 512 gig SSD without just instantly filling it up. And I recently, because the hard drive in this computer here in in the studio, I've got a 2011 iMac with its pre fusion drive, but it has the same hardware. So it's got a 256 SSD and a one terabyte drive. And this drive started acting funky and and now has completely died. We'll talk a little bit more about that in the show, as I mentioned. But I just, you know, so I went I moved to an external drive, and I actually did it with carbon copy cloner because I have it right here. I had backed it up previously with carbon copy cloner, or maybe not even, but but I had some level of a clone over there. So I just I did that just to make the the number of reads on the internal drive, perhaps less, in case there was, you know, all that data was already over there. So, but if I was starting from scratch, there's a couple ways you can do it. I mean, you can do, like you said, a copy paste, you can just drag in the finder. I mean, these are these are just folders. I would make sure that your external drive is formatted HFS plus before you do this. A lot of drives when you buy them, they come formatted fat or fat 32 or, you know, some cross platform ish format and things like the photos library doesn't really like to be on anything other than HFS plus or presumably APFS now. But but yeah, I would format that HFS plus and then you could copy it over or you can use in disk utility. There is you can you can clone a drive in there too. And I can't pull it up right now because disk utility will take forever to launch on this machine because of that dead hard drive. But but you know, that's how it goes. Thoughts on that, John? Oh, yeah. There's an article that talks about how to do this sort of thing. And it has a number of options, not all of that were mentioned, but it mentions them all. And it's called OS 10 manually migrating data from another Mac. But this is two tips in one. We're already getting this isn't coming from another Mac. This is just copying from one drive to one external drive to another. But perhaps it still applies. Yeah, I would say the things in here apply, whether you're setting up a new machine or you're moving a library and pretty much say as much. But they say first migration and this now if you're just migrating content and migration assistant is not appropriate, but the rest of this article is very appropriate. And then it's like, well, here's the ways you could do it for certain apps. Like you said, just drag stuff over, right? Yeah, because, you know, it's all in the Apple ecosystem. So it understands what iTunes means or photos means or any of the major apps. It understands, you know, as long as you put it in the right place. But this guy doing how to do that and could be an external drive. You could target this mode, you could do it over file sharing. But he's already got this on an external drive, right? So he's just he's just saying, I want to use a different external drive now. So he's already like this is a good thing to link to, right? Because it's it's how he got here in the first place. But now that he's there, it's we're just taking the data that's, you know, on this drive over there and moving it to that drive over there. Yeah, yeah. Just give him some background here. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So when it happens to you, but the other thing occurs to me is that I don't know. I mean, five years is old. I don't know. All I can say is I've had drives. I get depends on the making model and all that. I've had some drive last 10 years and they still work, Dave, believe it or not. Oh, totally. Some drives do and some drives don't. Right. And I did launch disc utility. If you highlight the drive that you want to copy to and then hit the restore button. This is how it's done in Sierra. It's kind of changed over the years. But if you hit the restore button at the top, you just pick what you want to restore from. And it could be a disc image or a currently mounted hard drive and you just choose it and it'll blast the data over there and that would work too. So any of the above, you know, I'm almost thinking though, if you don't have a backup or a clone of that external drive, maybe using the new one or swapping it and using the old one as your clone so that you have a local clone of all that data. I think that's important. In fact, I know that's important. So, yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. Craziness. It's always crazy, you know, that that computer that I have here with the dead hard drive, John. The other day, I couldn't actually it was Lisa. She tried to log in. She couldn't log in. And I thought, oh crap, you know, and we're not using this drive anymore. I mean, it won't even like it won't mount. I can't format it. It's dead. So we turned off the computer and then turned it back on and on boot up. We heard the drive click, right? And again, we're not using it. But as I said in a previous episode, I don't want to have to take the machine apart. Well, I think I'm going to have to take the machine apart to remove this drive because what started happening after it booted up with those clicks. And for some reason, the drive is sending erroneous data to whatever it is that decides how fast the hard drive cooling fan should run. And it had that fan running at like 5500 RPM. It sounded like a jet engine in here. And I checked all the temperature sensors and they're all normal. So I had to, I had to do something, right? Because I can't record with a fan running at 5500 RPM right in front of me. So no, and you don't want to disconnect it because it's there for. Well, I mean, if I open it up, I'm going to disconnect it by removing the hard drive. Like that. Yes, I do want to disconnect it. I just don't want to go through that process and certainly didn't want to today. So what I did was I remembered when we talked about upgrading a machine from like when you upgrade an iMac from a hard drive to an SSD sometimes, and this could be because you don't reconnect the sensor, right? Or it could be because the SSD doesn't send the same type of signals as the previous hard drive. But sometimes you will get into a scenario where the fans will do this and just run full tilt on the drive. They just slowly creep up until they're at full tilt and then they stay there. And I remember there's a utility to fix that. And so I went and downloaded SSD fan control from, what is it? Who is it? From Xerion, E-X-I-R-I-O-N. Of course, we'll put a link in the show notes. And with this, it sees, you know, it sees my optical drive and it sees the hard drive. And I set it instead of being auto, which is just letting the system do it. I set it to smart and instantly the fan slowed down. And I've been watching all my temperature sensors here to make sure that it wasn't actually cooling something that it needed to cool and everything's fine. So yeah. One other app that's good for seeing that and dealing with that, of course, is I set menus and in their sensors menu, you see not only the RPM of the fan, which is self-fascinating. I was like, how close is it going to get to 2,000? Well, so here's the thing. That's great for looking at it. And it is indeed what I am using to monitor the temperature. But it lets you set the fans as well. No, it doesn't. It lets you set the minimum fan speed, but it will not let you control the fan speed. So it has a fan control section. Okay, and I see a couple of things here. But it's always minimum. So I couldn't use iSatmen used to fix this problem. I needed, there's two of them. There's SSD fan control, which is the one I'm using. And then I think there's HDD fan control from Serti's software, which does similar things and is not free. So I figured since I was, you know, doing this for a short period of time, I'd just go with the free one. So iSatmen used to let you manage it, but not fully controlled. Correct. Correct. I just learned something. Yeah, that's why we do this, right? It makes it look like it'll let you have full control, but it doesn't. Maybe they'll fix that. It would be nice. Yeah, of course it's possible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so that was my fun, you know, about an hour before showtime of saying, oh, how am I going to deal with this? Because I, at least I said, it sounds loud. And I thought maybe the drive was grinding or whatever. And I popped up here and it was actually to pre-record the ad spots and go through all that stuff and was like, oh, this is bad. Oh, well. Noise is usually bad. Noise, well. From a mechanical device. Correct. But so far it's doing okay and I'm watching the temps and we aren't creeping up in like anything above normal. So everything's okay for now. But I think for this weekend, I'll just power it down and maybe on Monday, I can convince my daughter to crack it open with me for all time's sake. So shall we move on to Ken? Sure. All right. Ken asks. I say Ken asks. I can find it here. Ken says, while setting up my new iMac with a clean install, I ran into a problem. Although messages showed with a flagged, flagged mailbox. Although message. Oh, okay. I've got to, I've got to put some grammar in here. Although messages showed with a flag, the flagged mailbox itself was not shown. Setting my smart mailbox also did not work. If I open an email and close it, the message now does appear in the flagged mailbox. The flagged mailbox appeared once I opened a flagged message. And of course it also appeared in my smart mailbox. But opening each flagged message is rather tedious. And I do not plan on doing that. Is there something I can do to fix this problem? Yeah, there is. My guess is you migrated your mail over from your old machine or you did something. And in that process, mail's index didn't get updated properly. So as you're opening each message, it is updating the index for that message. You want to force mail to update its entire index. And we call that the envelope index. Honestly, I think the easiest way to do this is to launch Onyx, which we'll link to. It's a free piece of software that anybody who's been listening for even a short period of time has heard us talk about. That lets you do all sorts of maintenance. And if you go into Onyx, go to maintenance, go to rebuilding, and then you'll see a little box for mail boxes. You have two choices there. You can rebuild it or you can delete the existing index. I recommend deleting and letting mail rebuild it. But you can choose whatever you like. So that's my thoughts. You got any thoughts on this one, John? My thought is as follows. So while you were talking about this, I was curious, is a flag part of the message or is it part of something else? It is not part of the message. It is like red or unread. All right. I'm looking at the spec for IMAP4 and it's RFC 3501. It may be an old one, but one of the attributes for a message is a flag thing. Now maybe that's independent or nobody uses it. So what we are dealing with, that was my question. Does this data exist outside of... Is that attribute saved on the IMAP server? Oh, it could be. Yeah. No, I think it is. In fact, I'm certain. Well, it could be. And I'm finding an attribute called flag. And it's a data structure that you can attach to an email message. And it's part of IMAP, but it's optional. So if they're using that, but the rebuild suggests that it got corrupted as everything does, which is my run business, right? That's right. It's a cache somewhere. Or it's an index. It's exactly right. Same thing. They're old things that are messed up and need to be fixed. Yeah. And the nice part about, I mean, that index is handy because otherwise mail would have to traverse through every message there every time it wanted to see if it should update the flagged mailbox. That's not efficient. So it builds this index and it, it assumes that the index is correct unless you go to a message and change it. And that's a, I mean, generally speaking, that's a safe assumption. But this is also why just like you said, sometimes we have to delete caches and or indexes because they're not right. That's the beauty of something like Onyx. It's to do exactly those things. Hi, man. You want to take us to Edgar? Do I? Do you? Do I? Do I really? You don't have to. We got lots of other questions. Okay. No, no. Edgar has a good one. And let me see. I think I can cut some of the beginning out here. I'm going to tell you what Edgar's trying to do. So he's using photos and he wants to go through his system and identify potential important family and other type of photos, which of course are stored in image files, but he doesn't want to get the croft. Okay. So here's what he did, which I think is cool and there's an overlap between them. So he did, I think he's creating a smart, trying to create a smart album, which is kind of the same thing as doing a spotlight search and that you can make them do the same type of query. If you can go with me on this. But yeah, I'm with you. Sure. So I did it through the finder. He's doing it through a smart folder. Sure. Or a smart album, but I think there's an overlap between them. So here's the problem. So say you go into the finder and you do command F and that brings up a place where you can build a search. So number one, the search that was being set up defaults, and this is kind of lame of fine, but it defaults to this Mac. You probably want to limit it. The first thing I would recommend is maybe clicking on your user folder probably where most of the photos that you want are. That makes sense. So change the scope of it to that. Oh, yeah. The thing is then you can add, all right, so number one, you don't want to search on this Mac because then you're going to get, and here's what he was getting, though he's getting it in both cases, is that you get stuff that are images like JPEGs or PNGs or stuff like that, but they're part of the operating system, like Evernote Clips or this clip or that clip, and they're tiny little thumbnails and things that you get in mail. And it's a nightmare. But they're in a predictable place. So the question he posed, well, how do I kind of make the filter better? And from what I've seen, Dave, I don't have a full answer, so I'm going to click on, let me click on my folder here. I'm going to do a find. So right now the first condition, so one, move it from this Mac to your user folder, and then kind is, an image is probably a good choice, but then here's what you can do as well. So if you click on that first menu, it lists the default things that you can select by. Well, there's an other type. And oh boy, there's a boatload of things here, Dave. And the thing is that I found something within the boat that sounded like a good condition to add. And the thing is you don't want to go crazy because there's hundreds of these. There are a couple of hundred it looks like. You don't want to add them all to default list, but you may want to add some. Now there's one Dave called Document Container. And its description is containing folder of an item. Now most of the things he was finding that were annoying were things that were in the library folder within his user folder. So there are folders that have things that probably have photos he wants, like his downloads folder or his pictures folder, and maybe some others within his user folder, but not the library folder. Who cares what's in there? Those are not your personal photos in there or at least not, probably not the ones you want. There may be thumbnails and preprocess versions and stuff. So I was like, well, why don't you pick this choice and type library in there? And what should that do? I would think by the name of it, it would exclude search results. So what was the... Now that you've explained it, just quickly summarize what that line says in the finder search, like how you're excluding the library. So it says select a search attribute. When you go to the... When you click on the list of attributes and then you go on other, you can choose another one. And the name of this one is called Document Container. And its description in the list is containing folder of item. So you would think, well, what if you got a thumbnail in the library folder? Well, exclude that from the search. Doesn't it sound like that's what this does? Well, the thing is, I got mixed reports. I searched online in Apple and other support forms, and it's kind of a mixed bag. Some people are like, yeah, this worked great. Did exactly what it should. I don't see all the thumbnails in extraneous garbage. I'm going to ask you one more time, though, because I'm trying to do this and I'm totally missing it. I'm here in the find thing. Correct. And to get to this, I've gone in the finder to file find, right? Right. And then I have my little dropdown that says I can search this Mac. And right now it just by default says kind is any. So how am I telling it? I don't want to search in the library folder. All right, well, you use a good of kind. Yeah. You go to other. Oh, okay. You then click on a document container and then click on that check mark and say, okay, now when you go to the kind menu, see, you get an additional category called document container. That's how you add it. It's kind of a not the best. Oh, I see. So I'm not choosing this is the problem. If you choose kind in the next menu, there is something called other and that's what's throwing me off. So I'm just going to that first menu and at the bottom I am choosing other and then adding document container to that list. I totally get it now. Thank you. Then you can have the two conditions. Kind is image and document container. Yeah. You can say is not. Right. There's a number of conditionals and one could be is not library. When you think that would exclude it, well, it didn't for me and it doesn't for a lot of people, but for some people it does. Right, because it's we're telling it probably telling it not to put it, not to show anything that's in the top level of the library folder. And I tried till this slash library. Yeah, library slash star. I mean, I tried thinking, you know, if I was a programmer, how would I do this? Would I parse it from the place that you're looking for everything else? Yeah. That'd be kind of a reasonable assumption. So this could be a mini geek challenge. This should do what if your goal is to find your personal photos, this is probably the best way to go about it. Right. Short of that, my only suggestion was you're just going to have to do various smart folders in subfolders. So pictures, downloads, maybe documents. I don't know if you've put pictures in your documents folder or some of your apps have. But yeah, you think you just got to make a... It's annoying because you shouldn't have to. I mean, it seems like the spotlight search parameters are pretty thorough. Yeah. You want them to be. So I thought I found one that sounded like it should do it, but it didn't. And it made me sad. And our listeners sad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they just got to make a much more complicated and fragmented solution to this. Yeah, there's a... Maybe some search tools that are better. I saw some... What's it called? A better finder? Finder? No. Better... There may be some other more sophisticated search tools out there that could parse this sort of request. Well, and there's plugins that you can do for that, too. You know what it is. It's like, we'll find all the images that are probably photos that are important to me. Maybe there could be other ways. I saw in the search also, I think you can limit it. If you dig in there, you can limit it by size. So maybe you want to say, okay, I don't want anything smaller than 100 by 100 because it's probably not a photograph, right? Right. Or some threshold. Do you know what's from your camera? I'm going to link to a stack exchange discussion about this because there's a screenshot that talks about containing folder names. And that seems like that's what we would want. But I think this is something they created and this person created and plugged in. So I'll put that in the show notes because maybe there's something there. Yeah. Yeah. I like this stuff. Yeah, there's an answer here. We're close on this one, man. I want to find an easy answer. I mean, I could write a database. Well, you could do it with a find command in the finder, but man, that's not fun. Yeah. All right. We'll link to that. We'll dig in or maybe one of you will. So yeah, good stuff. Hey, you know what I want to do? I want to talk about our three sponsors. Does that work for you, my friend? Excellent. All right. Our first sponsor for today is Smile. That's smilesoftware.com with their PDFPen family. You can edit PDFs like a pro with all of these tools in the family. PDFPen for macOS, for iPad and iPhone, and PDFPen scan plus. So PDFPen for macOS is the ultimate PDF editing tool. It is your Swiss Army knife of PDF. Anything you need to do to a PDF, this is the tool you want. 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Harries.com slash mgg are sincere thanks to Harries for sponsoring this show and for keeping me nice and clean shaven. I like it. It's good stuff. Our thanks to Harries for sponsoring the episode. All right. Now it's time to go back to Facebook. We're in our Facebook group at matgeekyub.com slash Facebook. Ari asks about VPNs. He says, my understanding is that I can use a VPN to accomplish three things. Number one, protecting my network traffic while I'm out in the world. Number two, tunneling back into my home network while I'm away to mount my network drives or do other things. And three, tunneling all my home traffic through a VPN to add an additional layer of security to my home network. I have a Synology RT2600 AC and a DiskStation 416 Play at home with Synology VPN Plus set up on the router. So far, I'm only able to figure out how to do number one, protecting my traffic when I'm out in the world by logging into my Synology.me account through a browser. The other two, I still can't quite sort out any advice. Yeah, you're totally right. Those are three things. I think there's probably other things you can do with a VPN. You could connect two offices together and tunnel them like they're on one network and things like that. But in essence, you're doing the same thing. You just have different purposes. With your Synology router, really, number one and number two are kind of the same thing. If you can connect to your router when you're out in the world, you should be able to connect and see things on your local network. Sometimes in the configuration of Synology's VPN stuff, you have a choice of setting up a different IP range to be assigned to the VPN traffic so that it is isolated from your local network. For what you're talking about, that's not what you want. You want your VPN range to be a part of your local network. And so perhaps that's what you haven't set here. If you go in on your Synology router and you go into the VPN plus server, when you're configuring things like their standard VPN, you have an option for client IP range and you can set that to local network or default. Change it to local network. That will likely give you what you're looking for. Like the one that I did specifically for OpenVPN because I started with this too. Number one, when you're trying to access network drives, your best bet to make it as simple as possible is try the IP address first. Yes, it does have a local name and yes, it has a broadcast name and yes, it probably has a Windows name or a Wins name and try the IP address first. Yeah, seriously. Number two, and I learned this and the thing is I do 172.16.1 for my local home network and at least for OpenVPN, you got to give it a hint as to the range so I set the IP addresses for the VPN devices at 172.16.2. whatever. Yeah, because OpenVPN won't let you create a local, it won't let you connect to the local range, which is sort of a drag. You're better off using something like L2TP because it's built into your... No, no, no, he is. It's built into his router and it's built into his... But I won't because I figured out how to get this to work so I'm not going to give that up. But it's simpler to use something that's built into... Okay, so it automatically... Yeah, let me finish one thing and then you can go. OpenVPN is not built into your Mac or your iPhone. You need a third-party app to do it. L2TP is built into your Mac and your iPhone so you're much better off just going with that and then you don't need to worry about configuring a third-party app or any of that stuff. There's nothing wrong with OpenVPN, it's just not as well-supported. So that's all. Yeah. Now you can go. I'm good. No, I'm fine. Okay, yeah. And when you're configuring OpenVPN on your router, make sure you check the box that says Allow clients to access the server's LAN because that's going to let you do what you're doing. Now, on your Synology router, you also have the option to VPN Outbound. And that is in the... On your router, it's in Network Center, Internet, Connection, VPN Settings, where you can create an outbound VPN tunnel to any third-party, well, most third-party VPN services. It supports OpenVPN, L2TP, and PPTP. I wouldn't use PPTP, it's not secure at all. But the others are, or generally are. So here's the issue. And I haven't tried this in a while, but I heard of people having trouble doing all three of these things simultaneously. You could either do inbound to VPN or outbound to VPN, but not both simultaneously on the same router. But it's worth trying and see. You'll be able to test that out pretty quick. But yeah, that's what a VPN is for. And I agree with you, John, using the IP to connect to your local resources when they're remote is way better than trying to fight with DNS issues and things like that. Right? Yeah. And that's pretty much the reaction from the PNIC gallery here in our chat room at macigab.com.stream. Right. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We love the... I don't know if we've acknowledged them, but... We may not have. One of the members says, yes, IP is best. It is. Well, it's just simplest, especially when you're testing. Once you know how it's working, then you can kind of get a little more advanced, but, you know, it's a little crazy. So... All right. Shall we move on here? I guess. All right. We have a question from Nitin, who says, I have an iMac at home with two users set on it. I would like to access my iMac outside the house. What's the best application to do this? I was looking at TeamViewer or screens. Will that let other... The other user continue to use the iMac while I log into it from outside using my user account. So TeamViewer will not let you do that. TeamViewer completely takes over the screen. Oh, all right. It's... When you're local and connecting to another Mac, then you can... You get to choose when you log in, if you want to log in as the currently active user, or as yourself behind the scenes. And I do that all the time here in the house. It's great. TeamViewer doesn't do that. TeamViewer is take over the screen only. Adobe's screens will let you do that. And at least when I've tested it has, and it tends to work really, really well. So... And Adobe's screens lets you... It will poke the appropriate holes in your firewall to let you in from the outside world. I've had trouble with TeamViewer, John. And maybe I'm just using it wrong. In fact, I'm sure I am. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But where I try to connect and it says, okay, I'm just waiting to get permission from the locally logged in user. It's like, no, I'm not there. How do I give myself permission when I'm far away? Thanks, man. Hey, have you... Is that... Am I just doing it wrong? Or is that how TeamViewer... I think you're doing something wrong. There should be a universal... I think it's called quick setup. Okay. That's the easiest thing for the person on the other end to run. They basically run it. No, no, no. You're right. I'm not talking about when there's someone sitting there. I'm talking about when I'm at your house and I want to log in to my Mac and nobody's in my office. Right. I've had the problem where TeamViewer says, yeah, I'm just waiting for the local user to say, okay, and it's like, yeah, but nobody's there, man. Okay, I haven't... I don't know if it's meant for that. Right. And that's what I'm saying. There has to be somebody there to acknowledge the request from a security point of view, which I understand. Right. Okay, so Andy in the chat room is saying, yes, you can change that in TeamViewer's settings and you can configure a PIN to override the PIN. Okay, because everybody gets... Yeah, every session is managed through them and as a user, or like a 9-digit code and then a PIN and then you can connect and it brokers the whole discussion initially. Right. Yes, that's correct. That's correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Once you do that, it works great. Yeah, it's easy as long as somebody's there to let you in. Yeah. I have one. Yeah, man, go. I haven't used it in ages, Dave, but it's free and it's built in and it's called Back to My Mac. What is that? It's part of iCloud and it lets you do two things remotely and it uses underneath the covers. I don't know why I don't currently use it. Maybe just to geek out and try other things. Sure. And it's dependent. It would seem to be that it is dependent on you having Apple equipment to make it work properly. But you got to have an iCloud account. You have multiple machines. You got to enable it on the various machines. You'll see it in settings. It's something called Back to My Mac and it's like, okay. And then you got to enable some other sharing things. It really wants you to have an airport so it can do the port mappings because I assume it uses this stupid net PMP thing. Right. Yeah. And you need airport utility to, I think, fiddle with some other aspects of this as well because I think there's a menu in the airport that you have to say, yes, enable Back to My Mac. Just thought I mentioned it. If you want to do file sharing or screen sharing Back to My Mac is something that you can do and we'll link to an article that tells you all about it. I haven't used it in ages, to be honest, Dave. I have two major problems with Back to My Mac. Okay. Number one is that, and it's ironic that these two questions were Back to Back, but Back to My Mac uses an L2TP VPN. Which is the bad one? No, it's a great one. It's so great. Oh, that's the better one. In fact, that's the one that I use on my router. But if any computer in my house has Back to My Mac running, it will commandeer those ports from the outside world and I can no longer connect with my VPN. So it wants to run, so it breaks your VPN. Yeah, it breaks my VPN. That's nice. Yeah, it's real sexy. I love it. And then the other reason that I don't use Back to My Mac, Apple makes these iPads with beautiful screens that work really well for having to reconnect to a computer and do some like simple stuff. Back to My Mac doesn't work on iOS. There's no client. Zilch, no way to connect from your iPhone or your iPad. Thanks, guys. All right. That's why I don't use Back to My Mac. In that case, all right. So we talked about TeamViewer. We talked about Messages. What was it? Screens. Screens from Adobe. Yeah. What else is there? Oh, kind of in the vein of iCloud, but there's... Yes. Well, no, what's the proper name for it? I haven't used this in ages either, but... Messages. Messages. Whatever. Screenshare with... Oh, and Messages. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but that needs the person on the other end to like... Invite you in. Okay. All right. So we want to focus on... Yeah. Yeah, it's not good. It's not good. I didn't see, you know? Well, yeah. Right. Actually, I do a lot of this. So here's... Well, you could just type all the screen sharing. I mean... I don't use any of these things. Yeah. I use screen sharing. And what I do is I VPN myself back in, and then I use screen sharing to connect. And then you can all let your own dialogues. No, I VPN in, and then I can screen share however I want. And the cool part is the screens app for iOS will let me screen share to my Mac. So I don't need to run anything special. I just... I mean, I run the app on my iPhone, but it's... Otherwise, it's just straight up screen sharing. And it works great. I love it. It's, you know... I couldn't live without that screens app. It's killer. It's really well done. Right? Yeah. All right. Let's go to... Let's go to Joseph. Joseph has... He's got a... He's got a tip for us, I think. Joseph says, I wanted to send you what I think is an update to the behavior of disabling the documents and desktop syncing setting in iCloud Drive on a Mac. I went in on my Mac settings, iCloud, iCloud Drive, and disabled documents and desktop syncing. And unlike many of the things I've read, my files were not wiped from my Mac. Instead, I was given the option to have them move to an iCloud Drive archive folder, which was created in my user folder. I could then easily move my files from that folder back to my documents folder, which is not syncing, and I'm back in business with it now disabled. So that's... I like that. And I think he's right. I had never seen it do that before. So for anybody who's currently in the scenario where you're syncing them and maybe it's using too much storage, or for whatever reason you don't want to do it anymore, it sounds like this will keep you from losing everything when you turn that off. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. Well, really, what application and operating system developers should stop doing is putting up these terrifying dialogues saying, you're going to lose everything if you click on this OK button. Well, unless you're going to lose everything, and then that's a great dialogue to have. Well, there should be like a backup button. Like, nah, I didn't really mean it. Right. Or I'll cancel. Or an option to say, hey, maybe I'll put some of that somewhere else. Yeah. Maybe there is a way to undo it. Why are you being so insistent on destroying everything? I mean, come on. What are you driving at? Just seems much more reasonable to give people a way to gently back out. Yeah. I like it. Dramatic about it. Hey. So in our Facebook group, listener Mike tells a tale of woe. He was having some issues with his superdrive. And it died. And he had updated to the latest OS, ran all the disc utilities, Onyx to make sure the machine was good. Everything checked out. Then he returned. It's a MacBook Pro 2012. And when he tried to log in, it said wrong password. Tried it. Capslock. Yada yada. Nothing. Wouldn't let him in. Oh, tried to log into another account. Nothing was available. He said, so he did a power button restart. Couldn't figure out anything else. He relaunched into safe mode. Everything seemed to be fine. He assumed that the start into safe mode fixed whatever the problem was. So he restarted and the progress bar stopped halfway for about 30 minutes. He had to power it down again. He never started again in safe mode. And this time chose his clone. He uses carbon copy cloner to clone his boot drive. Chose his clone to boot from booting on the clone. Everything was fine. He ran disc utility on the main drive. Checked his files. Things look good. He then went into settings to choose his internal drive for startup. And it wasn't there. He could see it on his desktop, but couldn't see it as an option for startup. So he shut down the MacBook, unplugged the clone so it wasn't able to boot from that restarted. Took a little while to find the OS, but it did launch. And the launch was perfect. Then he decided to run Etra check, which is a system checking utility. He said, and it showed some system launch demons that failed and some launch agents that failed. And in the other apps section, some other things had failed too. And he was really worried about the system launch agents that failed. So he wound up going through a process where he wiped his drive, reinstalled everything, migrated. And before he read, before he did anything else, he ran Etra check again. It showed him the same errors. And so the lesson that Mike wants to share with us is two things. Number one, make sure your diagnostic software is up to date because turns out this copy of Etra check that he had was older than his operating system. And so it was reporting some errors because things are different from OS to OS. Now, to be fair, the people who write Etra check should probably have thrown up a dialogue saying, you know, we don't know how we're going to work with, you know, a future version of the OS, but it didn't. And as listener John pointed out in the comments as well, it's good to know what normal looks like. And I know we say this a lot here, but you know, he chose to run Etra check after several bouts of troubleshooting, which is fine. I mean, it's good to use every tool at your disposal. But if you don't know, if he had run this when his system was running fine, it would have shown exactly the same errors because he was using an old version. So there's a lesson here, right, John? You want to know what normal looks like. It's just like looking at the console only when you have a problem. If you don't know what normal looks like there, you're going to think you have like that your system, you might as well just throw it away and get a new one. But that's not the case necessarily. Don't do that. Don't do that. Yeah. Yes. Yes. I'm glad he had a clone. There's that. So. Yeah. Well, you could have also reset the admin password. Which is, I mean, well, I mean, once he once he booted that way, it worked fine. His system was fine. He just, you know, then decided to run Etra check and it sent him down a rabbit hole that he didn't need to go down, which is, that's the frustrating part. But that's how it goes. Yeah. Well, hey man. I just went through a bout of upgrading all my tools. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah. Little snitch. Well, Drive Genius, they hooked us up. Right. Nice. Carbon copy cloner. Cause I went in here. Pretty much anything that, well, now there were like three things. Updates prepping for high Sierra, I assume. Right. Yeah. And the new file system. So. Oh yeah. Well, I think both Drive Genius and a carbon copy cloner advertise support. So I got those and little snitch. Actually, it's nicer. The dialogues are a lot cleaner in the new version. So I'm happy with that too. In little snitch. Yeah. I like the new little snitch. That's great. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. That's true. It's worth being very thoughtful about what you run on your system here. Especially things like you said, like carbon copy cloner and anything that's doing things with the disc. And little snitches doing stuff at the network level or kind of at the kernel level with the network. You want things that are explicitly capable of running with high Sierra, especially high Sierra with that new file system. In many cases, not all, but in many cases, your system's just going to be auto upgraded to that just like your iPhone was. And you want to make sure you've got tools that can help you once it is. So that's going to be interesting. Hey, you know, I'm a, I think we both are big fans of amazing mini John. And I did, I mean, I had a, the thing is I notice every day it says it backs things up. Yeah. I really have a dug into it though. It can provide a wealth of information about your devices. So I got that out of my system. But apparently you found something new and interesting. Not necessarily. Well, it's interesting. I knew you. Well, I noticed that my battery was dying like crazy on my iPhone. And so where were you getting, how long before you had to recharge? Well, I wasn't making it a full day. If, if I was, but I finally sorted out, I thought it was the iOS 11 beta, right? And so, okay, fine. No big deal. No big deal. And then I realized, no, you know, when I'm not in my office, my battery, when I'm not at home, my battery's fine. So something about being home is the problem. And then it hit me. I amazing mini is backing up this phone every day. And I realized it's backing it up in the middle of the day. And perhaps is doing lots of things with my phone in the middle of the day when it's not plugged in and is just constantly talking to it. So I quit amazing mini for a day and things got better. So, but then I dug in. I was going to write them and say, hey, but I figured before I write them with a bug report, I should dig into the settings and see, you know, if there's a way I can fix this myself. And I think I have fixed it. I go and you can do this too. If you go into amazing mini, choose the device that you want, go to the settings for it and go to the backup settings. In there, you can set a minimum battery level at below which it will not charge. And I think mine was set at like, you know, 20 or 30% or something, which would still cause it to wear down. So I now set it to charging. Like it has to be on charging. Otherwise it will not backup. And that's what I want. You know, I'm backing up to iCloud anyway. So it's not like I need daily backups at home, even though I have it set to daily, but if for some reason it doesn't happen, that's okay. But now it should only backup when I'm charging at night. And I think I've solved my problem. It's possible it's entirely something else. And who knows, maybe it is iOS 11 and, you know, with a semi-weak cell signal here at the house, maybe it's, you know, being overly over-aggressive and burning its battery down that way. That's entirely possible. Well, as you taught me, you could look in your cellular menu and make sure things aren't grabbing cellular when you don't want them to, because I think that consumes relatively more power than the Wi-Fi's. Right, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about when your phone has a weak cell. It's not that it's grabbing cell when I don't want to. It's that it's hunting actively. If you're on a very strong cell signal, your phone will use less battery than it will if you're on a weak cell signal. Okay, otherwise it's looking for a better signal. Correct, it's constantly searching. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's possible that's what's happening and it's just, you know, iOS 11 is searching more frequently. But I don't think that's it. My gut says that I've solved it with this amazing mini thing. Unfortunately, I only solved it earlier today, so I won't know for, you know, a couple of days. Actually, I'm going to be away for a couple of days, so who knows. I'll find out next week. I'll let you know. We'll follow up. I like that it tells you the estimated amp hours. Yeah, let's see what it calls it here. Battery effective max charge. My iPhone currently it says 1840 with the design being 1950. So that's not bad. 94%. That's not bad. Yeah, that's good. Hey, John, I want to take a minute and thank all of our premium subscribers. 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Everybody that's a premium member and, you know, I know I always say it, but everybody just listening and contributing and your questions and all of that stuff, it makes a huge difference here. So thank you, thank you, thank you. You rock. The other thing that helps, Dave, is, so you know, when something gets on our nerves here and something, you know, a great injustice has been done in the user community, we also enjoy your finger wags and your fish shakes. The energy of those get projected to Apple to make them do the right thing. It's true. Yeah. You know, we've seen that. Like it's not just to Apple, it's to anything that any wrong that needs to be righted. Any vendor or force that is wrong to. Yeah, yeah. No, we can collectively wave our fingers and wag our fingers and shake our fists and it matters. It's actually really impressive. We've had actually some great discussions in the Facebook community where, you know, we've had vendors come in and join the thing and make some, make a real difference. It's been great. I think it's awesome. Yeah. Right. All right. You mean like the Bruce in the action movies? It might be. I just, I don't know. I don't want to divulge this identity. Yeah. That's right. Hey, listener Ian wrote in, actually he was out there on Facebook and he says, a quick little tip based on an experience I had today with AppleCare at a local store. The tip is take and store photos of items that you plan to cover under warranty. He says, I have a work MacBook Pro that shuts off randomly and I took it in to be checked last week. Genius stated that the laptop was out of warranty. My company purchases a three-year AppleCare and I believed it was bought in 2015, i.e. two years ago. The AppleCare database showed it was over three years ago. I did some research at work and was provided paperwork showing a December 2015 purchase date, but it did not have the serial number documented. And when I arrived at the Apple store, I realized my office provided me the invoice for another person's machine. The Genius was helpful and made calls to clarify the warranty status. Unfortunately, the calls were not able to help. Then I remembered, I took photos of the box when I got the machine and stored them in Evernote. I launched Evernote in a web browser. The Genius and I looked for that note for a time date stamp, and we were not able to find a suitable date as the note was created to validate when it was purchased. The Genius then said it would be nice if we could tell when the box picture was taken. And I had an aha moment. I quickly dragged the image to the desktop and opened Get Info in the Finder. The Genius found that the image was taken with an iPhone, but no confirmation of the date of the image. I did a quick search for CXIF data online and found a site to help. I dragged the image onto the browser and the Genius looked over the XIF results to confirm my MacBook Pro was within the three-year warranty. He says, although I have to wait one more week for the thing to be fixed, I am excited that this particular picture is worth $1,000 savings. That's pretty cool. It's cool that Apple would take XIF data to validate a warranty. Obviously, it wasn't just XIF data. It was this whole thing. But that's good advice, Ian. I like it, man. Pretty cool, huh, John? It is useful to carry digital versions of important things with you. I had this happen the other day. I've been visiting my bank for various reasons. One thing is that I set up something new with my local bank. But it's literally within walking distance, which is kind of nice. And bankers are, for the most part, good people. And they have free coffee. But I went there one time to set up something and I brought some financial instruments with me and we were going to set up a new type of account. But the thing is, I was leaving my house and it's local, so I'm like, I don't need my wallet. I just brought my car keys, which, you know, no requirement to carry your wallet with you. And so I'm there, but I also brought my phone with me. And so I was at the bank and he's like, yeah, so we're setting up this new type of account. Well, the one type of ID, you know, you got this account with us already, so that's a form of ID. He's like, do you have your driver's license? I'm like, oh, man. Then I remembered I stored it in last pass. Because he had that info for some reason. He just didn't confirm it. Well, he didn't have the latest. It was an old expiration date. I guess when I opened an account, they're like, yeah, you got a driver's license. I'm like, yeah, here it is. And they had the operating number and all that, but they didn't have, but it was expired, as far as they were concerned. So he's like, well, do you have your current one? I'm like, yeah, hold on. It took a while to download it because there was either something with my Wi-Fi or their server or whatever. But it got there eventually. Yeah, I've heard, I mean, we've talked about it on the show before where I've heard of people using, you know, if they've gotten pulled over or whatever, if they need to show their license and they don't have it with them, we've heard of people. We can't guarantee that every officer on the planet is going to accept this. But we certainly have heard of people who have had that experience where it's like, oh, yeah, here you go, then it's fine. Or, you know, they say, yep, that's good enough for now. You know, bring your license, your actual license by the station tomorrow or whatever. Yeah, I keep copies of all that stuff in, I do it in one password, but you know, it's the same kind of thing. I keep passports and my license and all of that stuff. Why not? You know? It's awesome. I like it. The picture's worth $1,000. Pretty good. Haha. Hey, in this case for Ian, it certainly was. All right. Okay, so Listener Peter did something pretty cool. He built an Apple script that, I mean, it's an app, but he built it in Apple script and he posted it to our Facebook group. So you can go and download this and he keeps it up to date. In fact, I think he just updated it earlier today. Twice, in fact. And what it's built to do is check to make sure your internet connection is alive and well and it logs the result to a file. So, and he's built the app to ping three addresses each time it runs and it'll keep running and you can, you know, chron it or however you want to do it. An external IP to check to see if it can connect all the way out to something, you know, not in your house. The router's IP to make sure that you can connect to the router and then another computer's local IP. So you could be in a scenario where your internet connection itself is down, but the router and obviously your local network are working fine. It would show you that because you'd have the external one reporting is down and the other two reporting is up. You could be in a scenario where your router is down, but your local network is still OK because there's another machine or device that it's pinging and that way you'd get one response and not the other two. So it's pretty cool, pretty cool little thing and you can go download it. So I guess it's cool stuff created and it just added support for IPv6 addresses, too. So it's pretty cool. I like it. Thank you, Peter. You rock, man. That's pretty good stuff. I know. It's pretty cool. I hadn't noticed you the other day. Did you? It was actually I was watching Netflix and I'm like, and all of a sudden it like was stuttering and getting pixelated, which sometimes happens, but then all of a sudden it stopped and the TV was like, whoa, man, there's something wrong. I'm like, OK, run all the tests and it's like, OK, nothing's working. So I looked up and I noticed that the little light on the arrow, which is under my TV, was red. Ah, all right. Hmm. Temporary outage. Yeah. Came back in like a minute. Huh. Interesting. Interesting. The red light, I should have seen sooner, but I was driven to run the diagnostics. Sure. Of the box. Huh. I have changed my local network here, because I'm always testing different things and doing it different ways. So I now I decommissioned temporarily anyway. The Linksys vellop system that I had running in bridge mode and now I'm running the Eero Gen 2 system in bridge mode here. Oh, yeah, with the beacons, right? Yeah, I have one beacon as part of it too. But you know, like you could run a beacon. The beacons, everything is compatible with each other. And man, I got to tell you, they did a beautiful thing. I wanted to... I tried this. I went over to my dad's yesterday and I took one of the new... He has a three Gen 1 Eero's over there. And so I took one of the Gen 2's over and I wanted to make that his router because it's actually faster and it's a better router. And so what I did is I just added it as a satellite to his system. And so it was fine. So he had four up and running. And then I unplugged the one that was acting as a router, took the new Gen 2 1, plugged it in and boom, it became the router. I didn't have to... All the settings were everywhere. I didn't have to do anything magic. And then I plugged the other one in and the old router one and took it off his system so it wasn't looking for it and reporting and it was missing and all that stuff. So it was like presto change, though. It was presto change, dude. Alakazam. So apparently it sucked the configuration out of one of the satellites and said, oh, I'm the new one. Well, I had already added it. So by that point, it was a satellite. Right. It was acting as a satellite. And so everything has every configuration. It's smart. It's how it should be. Okay. I misunderstood what you did. Yeah. What I just said would work. Maybe. No. Probably not. No, because it would, but you need internet access to do it. I wouldn't. You could. So they could push, if they detect something to change, you could say push my old configuration. Yeah. It was pretty cool. I mean, it was seamless. It took, you know, whatever, 10, 15 minutes. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Yeah. So I like that. And my Linksys vellop in bridge mode, I disconnected the Ethernet cables from two of them. One of them, evidently, was the one that it had decided was the master. It like won't reconfigure itself. It's just like, nope, network's down. It's like, no, but one of you is still plugged in. That should be okay. Like that's what bridge mode is. It's like, nope, the master one isn't plugged in. Like what happens if the master one dies or the Ethernet cable gets chewed? Like isn't the point to be robust? Yeah. I guess not for the Linksys folks. There's a discussion on the Linksys forums about that. Because it's, you know... Well, it's like their exhaust port. You know, that's the thing they can't handle. They just can't handle that. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, migrating to Gen 2 of the era was cake. So... Uh... Yeah, it's good. All right. We have a couple of tips and I think we've got time to go through these. Listener Neil relating to last show where we were talking about contacts and creating a contact group. He says, I have a suggestion. Uh... It should be relatively easy to write an Apple script for this purpose to slurp all of the email addresses out of a message and create a contact group with them. He says, I say should because there are certainly some things that really should be easy enough to do with the interface but just aren't. Anyway, my solution would be accomplished via scripting since heavy text manipulation should not be needed. I'd probably go with Apple script especially since there are way more code samples out there for scripting mail and contacts via Apple script then for something like JavaScript. I would use Apple script to obtain the selected message in mail then grab every recipient of that message as desired you could choose to include cc's and bcc's or not or even have a dialogue up to ask for references depending on the need. Once you have the recipients you can then have contacts create a new group again depending on need then using the recipient list create each new contact and add it to the group. And I think that, I mean that's actually a pretty good piece of advice. Apple script should be able to do all that because it can talk with mail pretty robustly. It can talk with contacts pretty robustly. So that would be another solution to that. Thank you. Thank you for that Neil. That's stuff man. It's easy to forget that Apple script is there as evidenced by Apple sometimes forgetting that it's there but you know what's there? What? Huh? James has a little tip for us again from show 672 we were talking, we started the show by talking about multiple monitors and James says like John I have a Mac mini to which I have added a second monitor. He says I did it using the HDMI port of an other world computing Thunderbolt 2 dock which would work just fine too. Thunderbolt devices have their own video and it can easily do that. So it's good to remember Thunderbolt can be can be your friend when it comes to time for expansion. Your Mac mini is not Thunderbolt capable though is that right John? That is it. I don't know what it means. Isn't that a yes or no question or no? Well that's a difficult question. Okay. I'm looking at Mac Tracker so I'll explain what I'm babbling about here because I had another kind of follow up question here. So the thing is as you know I said I'm using an HDMI port and the display port slash Thunderbolt port and my question was is a Thunderbolt port a display port and the answer is yes? Is a Thunderbolt port a display port? A mini display port and that they're the same shape. The thing is I have something plugged into the display port or Thunderbolt port on my mini which I think are the same thing and Thunderbolt 2 goes Thunderbolt 1 Thunderbolt 2 communicate over mini display port but that does not mean that every mini display port port is Thunderbolt capable. I was going to ask the other question. Is any Thunderbolt port a potential video port? So I'm using it now for display and not for... That's not necessarily the case. It is every max Thunderbolt port, every max mini display port is mini display port, right? But there are... It is possible to create a Thunderbolt dock that does not support video over that interface. I think that's a really good question though. Huh. Yeah, I mean trying what I did here was easy. I'm like, well I have an adapter that fits in here so let's see if it works and it's like, oh yeah it does. Alright, that's nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wasn't sure if it would. So I guess what you're saying is that there could be a Thunderbolt port that is meant for data and not video data purposes. It's just a problem I was wondering about and I thought we'd talk about it. Yeah. I don't think I have all the answers because this is the first time I've plugged something into a port of that shape and it worked so I'm like, okay, that's fun. Right, right. I'm trying to figure out... Huh. Yeah, I don't... I'm trying to think of an example where a port like that is not video capable. It might very well be all... I think on the Mac they all are. Oh, on the Mac they are. They're potential both. I'm just wondering on like, you know this Caldigit Thunderbolt dock that I have in front of me and I think it is. It'd be interesting if you plugged a video adapter in there and see what happens. I guess my real question here is that so could you take a dock that has additional Thunderbolt ports and within the bandwidth limits of the host could you plug a whole boatload of monitors into those and that could be a solution because in the past we've had people ask that and it's like, well, do use a HDMI splitter. That's another way to do it. Right, right. Yeah. I'm looking here. Well, you know I do have a port on my MacBook Pro maybe I'll get another screen for it too. Yeah, I think this Caldigit one would so it's hard to Let us know what happens when you plug a monitor in there. There you go. No, it'll do it. It'll do it. The question is, would everything do it? But we don't know. And you know, John I think that's probably the safe place for us to vamp on out of here. Yeah. Because we've got some more follow-ups but it's all cloud and crash plan related and we're not going to be able to squeeze that in to like four minutes, I don't think. So we're going to leave you in a safe place. We're in a safe space. We need one of those. Well, it's the middle of Labor Day weekend so we got to, you know, we got to give people safe spots, I think. Don't you? Well, it'd prevent workplace injuries, certainly. That's our goal here is to prevent workplace injuries. Zero days since last accident. It is zero days. No, no, no. It's been far more than zero days. Not zero. Days since last accident, not equal to zero. How about that? Has anyone ever injured themselves on TMO property? I do not believe that has happened. I do have the Workers Comp certificate right here because we have to display it conspicuously. So well, yeah, that's state law. You got to display it conspicuously. All right, but have there been any notable injury claims as of late? There have been no injury claims. No. I think I know what that is. Well, I mean, because we we don't hurt ourselves. I mean. Well, I think it's also because it's one of our guiding principles. Yeah. Oh, it's true. Yeah. I think it's relevant to share that guiding principle. I know, but I think it's relevant. It is relevant. No, you're totally right. Hey. So I want to thank Well, I want to thank all of you for listening because that's important. Thanks for thanks for everything. It's been 12 and a half years. It's fun. It's good. If you have something to say to us, feedback at mackeykeb.com is the right place to do so. And the other address you could write to is feedback at mackeykeb.com Or lastly, feedback at mackeykeb.com if the other two are not to your liking. You can call us at 224-888-Geek which John translates to 4335 And you can find us on Twitter. He is John F. 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