 Okay, we're back, day two of Node Summit live in San Francisco, California. I'm John Furrier, and this is theCUBE, our final wrap-up session with the SiliconANGLE crew, Alex Williams and Clint Finley. I want to just say thanks to all you folks watching out there, Mark Hopkins and Kean, for producing. Great job. We're at the end of our broadcast here at theCUBE, and Node Summit has been an amazing experience for me, and learned a lot, met a lot of new people, understood a lot more about the community and the capabilities of Node.js, which is, this is what it's all about. Node Summit is the inaugural conference for the Node community. And, Alex and Clint, let's just kind of wrap this up. Let's kind of put a bow on this event here, and what did we learn? I mean, I learned, I'll start. I mean, I learned that Node is a lot more real and legit and high performance than I thought it was, and I kind of did my homework. I was excited by the possibilities of it, but I really loved how legit it is, and one of my comments in an earlier CUBE was, I'd categorize this as a hurricane for, category four hurricane, mainly because some tiles are falling off the building roofs, trees are coming down, so there's some disruption in the technical theater and the business theater, and you're seeing that here. You're seeing VCs here, funding, companies, a lot of startups, and the geeks. So it's legit. What are you guys learning? Let's talk about what we've learned, Clint. I think what I saw that sticking with me the most is that there are some pretty serious unresolved controversies in the way Node relates to other technologies. Talking to Node skeptics, there's a lot of discussion of things like Java's Netty framework, Python's Twisted Framework, or the capabilities that are in the programming language, Erlang, and some people say, well, Node does certain things better than those, or that you can do certain things easier in Node than you can do with those. But there's other people who say, well, no, that's not true. You could totally do something so much easier and Twisted than you could in Node. And I haven't seen any resolution to that. So I guess maybe that's a cop out of this, I didn't really learn something in particular. That was an observation. I think that speaks to the community too. It's a very young community, and the people here, a lot of them are very innovative. And the level of sophistication I saw in the startups was much greater than I've seen in other events that I've been where there's been startup competitions. And so that's encouraging. I think that there's just going to have to be some maturing in how these front end, really these front end developers for the most part interact with the bat, and learn more about the systems behind it. Sure, but there were some people here who, they weren't front end developers, they were back end developers, who just saw the potential to use, to do something really simple in JavaScript. For sure. But I think that there is this perception of like it's real time capabilities and ability to do so much so easily. But there's not that deeper understanding of the systems behind it. Well, I mean, I think that's what Stio's Slashenegger's view that the operation side is a lot different from the software side, which is the programming side. But it's clear to me though, Alex, on that point that there is some advantages, real advantage, and we're seeing the demos here and the actual products where Node is specifically a benefit like Voxer, we're seeing some of the companies up there handling the chat stuff. There's some specific product benefits that are actually realized today. So the question of how that affects ops and the scale point is a whole other conversation. I think that's worth watching. And I learned, that was one of my big learning points was, it's great on that side, the DevOps side, the programming, the rapid iteration, the agile programming, all that stuff. Ain't that goes on in open source and commercialization of these kinds of products. But in the real world, in these big enterprise and these big service providers, there's a real ops issue around systems performance. That is a whole nother league of its own. So I think that's something that I learned that it's actually pretty obvious when you think about it, but it's clear that there's two worlds. So that was interesting. But there's some things that I really find quite compelling about what we're seeing, again, those real time capabilities, the way that platforms are emerging for delivering messages, for instance, you know, to multiplayer, MMO, what is it called, multiplayer games. And how those are, and how there's kind of like this ecosystem emerging that's building very, very quickly. And, you know, Stephen O'Grady was saying on theCUBE earlier today, that he's never seen anything grow as quickly as Node.js has. And he says he's never seen a technology go into the Truffle Disillusionment so fast. And he thinks that's where we are now. And he's just uncertain if it's been spit out the other side, and now it's going to really gain mainstream acceptance. But I think the chances are that it will. That came up, that came up a lot actually, the excitement of Node, but also the fear, if you will, around the hype. Or is it over hyped? I mean, it's legitimate in my mind. So I just want to make that clear. I do not think it's hyped up. However, given all the activity, it could be misconstrued as super hyped. But, so that's where I think I kind of felt and heard specifically. You know, wondering if we had a, getting ahead of our skis as Charles Beeler said and some other folks. So that's interesting. Growing so fast, you know, it's still young. Yeah. Yeah, I think where it's going to be resilient is in its community. And that's been really clear is that there's a community that's like paradoxically tight-knit, but really inclusive. So, you know, everybody knows each other, but they also make a good effort to bring in people. And that's going to be hard to maintain that level of inclusiveness as the community grows. But having that community movement is what's going to keep Node around. It's going to keep Node improving. We didn't get Isaac on the guy that created the Node package manager. But that's a big part of Node, is how you can extend it with add-ons and modules. You know, it's a platform. So there's, you know, there's other things, there's Express, there's Socket.io. So there's, you know, there's all this value being created. It's a lot like a dupe when we're talking about it. I think, John, you said it last night, like this is, the Web 2.0 era has essentially passed. And now we're entering a new era and Node really is, Node.js is representative of that. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, what Ajax was always kind of like, oh Ajax, he kind of thinks on Web 2.0. But actually in Web 2.0, never really materialized in my mind, at least. And you can see that with, you know, what's happened with some of the websites that cover Web 2.0. They kind of turned into more about Google, Apple and whatever, but like, I think this is really about what Web 2.0 is about because you're talking about web apps. And mobile amplifies the value when you see that kind of performance around the IO. So I'm excited and I think, you know, on the community side, what I learned and I think this was kind of how we branded it in our conversation earlier is that the community I would, has been described here in theCUBE as respectful and professional. So to me, I think really my observation of the community is, it's young, still close knit, but what's really impressive to me, Clint and Alex, is that it's respectful and professional. And that's going to do really good justice for those guys as they start to reach out, as we heard in the last panel, around working with other open source projects. And it's a very open, collaborative approach, very socially integrated, but I like that professionalism. It's a breath of fresh air, as far as I'm concerned. So that's going to be a big plus for them. Yeah, I agree. And you know, one of the things that's so refreshing here is you do see, you see the power of the ecosystem in terms of the services that people are using, you know, and how that's helping really, helping Node.js grow. For instance, GitHub. I think GitHub's a real kind of catalyst, you know, for the growth of Node.js. In other ways too, but you know, we have the device market has just exploded, right? And there's all types of different services you can use to either build apps. So that's, you know, that market where we're going to start to see rapid, you know, the rapid capability to build applications is really going to, I think, fire this up. Big data, mobile, all those trends are really coming together at a great time. We'll just have to see how big this event is next year. Yeah, I mean, other things that I observed and learned and, you know, watched is the systems architectures is a mindset. I've heard that over and over again that Node is a mindset, you know, the browser, HTTP is first class citizens or some quotes. So you got that notion that you got some more systems capabilities with Node that was impressive. It made me think more about those systems challenges that Theo Schloss-Negger pointed out. And the other thing that I observed or watched and learned here was the entrepreneurial activity. So, and there's two points to that. One is there's a lot of entrepreneurs here who are really doing some coding, doing some good work. The Node Jam here on day two is tons of startups. Bootstrapped, that highlights the value proposition of cloud computing. You know, low cost to get into the market and they could rapidly develop and get something out there that's functional and can deliver values. So I'm really impressed with that. That being said, I do not think that there's a lot of companies here that are venture backable. I'll tell you why. A lot of the companies here look like features and they don't look like a real company in my mind in terms of the classic venture capital. So I think traditional venture will reject most of these companies. Instead, the angel market is so robust now with Y Combinator and Angel List. They're all viable under seed and angel funding because the VCs can let those accelerators do the work. On that. But the VCs are struggling with this because we were talking about it earlier yesterday and they understand that the costs to actually develop apps is so far less and they don't need that much capital but their funds are not really designed, are not structured. I got some emails from some VC friends who knew watching the program and they always watched the queue but the comment to me was off the record and I won't name the source of the VC was I won't fund any of those companies there. What I'll do is I'll let the angel guys, angel list and Y Combinator vet them out for me. I found that very interesting but I think that's consistent around some of the other VCs I talked to but I'll tell you what's good about all this. One, there's a lot of angel capital out there through Angel List and Y Combinator so it doesn't cost that much to get these teams formed. However, I think you're going to see more failure than successes and I think that's actually going to be a good thing. I'll tell you why. This community is so respectful and professional. I think you'll see companies get formed out of those failures. Yes. Better companies because of the experimentation and the tinkering of node will create more skills and create I think derivative ventures where people will find each other out in the community. Yeah, well there's another possible scenario there in terms of the venture funding and how it can play out though. We've been seeing a lot more of what people are calling talent acquisitions. I forget the sort of funny buzzword portmante do of it. Acquihire. Acquihire, yeah. And I think that could be what you see a lot of here because you said a lot of these look like features. Web 2.0 went through a lot of that too. Really what they were doing was they were building something that they wanted to sell to Google. I don't know that a lot of these guys here are saying well, this is a feature I want to sell to Google or Microsoft but that's still, I think a pretty likely outcome or just frankly just talent. I mean Salesforce.com is growing like crazy through their acquisitions. They want the talent or they want some of the IP or just one particular feature. So it'll be interesting to see how that plays out but a lot of companies won't have a chance to fail because somebody will want to buy them for some other reason. And we know how. It was so hard to hire. I mean look at how Twitter was formed. Twitter was formed because of Evan Williams' failure with Odeon and they got kicking around. So I think when you have these emerging environments where you have these communities, the cross-pollination around the entrepreneurs will be really important. So I think that's what I'm interested in watching as well is I think failure is not bad here because there's so much skill acquisition that these developers are getting through node that no matter what their outcome is on their venture, they're going to be viable in any way whether they go work for a big company or where they hook up with another entrepreneur and do something bigger. So I think the market will play that out. You know and I just think my final takeaway here is like this is such a refreshing event. I mean it's so invigorating to see these people, the really young people developing really amazing stuff. And that's really what it's about just to be, you know, to see something and to have a thought through and whole new dimensions. That is a true essence of innovation. Yeah I would agree. I would just say in closing this is a great event, great technology. One of the most exciting moments as an aside this week here was the fact that we launched DevOps Angle. Yes. So for the folks out there, Alex and Clint have been launching these vertical publications. First one was Services Angle and the diamond sponsor there is EMC and that's all about the services and the systems and the critical infrastructure around, you know, big enterprise. And this week we launched DevOps Angle which is all about the emerging cloud, node.js. These emerging communities that really gonna make a difference in rapid application development and I couldn't be more pleased guys than the validation that we got from Dell. Yes. Can I show my t-shirt here? Yeah, show the t-shirt. There we go. Thank you Dell. Thank you very much. Dell computer has stepped up to be the diamond sponsor for devopsangle.com, a new publication within the Silicon Angle network. And so Alex and Clint will be doing double time between DevOps Angle and Services Angle. So we'll have the ops world covered and the dev world covered like a blanket. So look for all the coverage on Services Angle and DevOps Angle. And please reach out to us if you're interested in writing, you know, about DevOps or if you're interested in writing about this whole new world of services. We're actively looking for people, either as contributors or even as writers who we hire on a part-time basis. We'd like to add more sponsors to it. We're going to do it very much like the NASCAR logo, like the events, you know, Platinum sponsor, Gold, Silver and then we have special sponsorships for startups. So that helps us build this great content and hire more people. And of course, theCUBE, we'd love to go to the events and you'll see us more this year at a lot of events. Our next event is coming up at the O'Reilly Stratoconference and that's going to be really a great show because that really continues this conversation about DevOps and cloud with big data. And that is all coming together. It's a beautiful world. It's a great time guys. It's, you know, we've been doing cloud mobile social for a few years now and everything's coming right into our wheelhouse and it's very exciting times at SiliconANGLE. So. Well, thank you very much, John. This has been, it's great to be part of this group. Right. Thanks, John. Thanks, Kenan and Mark. Yeah, thanks Kenan. On the other side of the cameras all day, every day. All right. 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