 All that was making fun of the guy, but you're making fun of you know, I used to make fun of rush to I think the music was okay I Still think I wasn't like a big rush fan I would didn't I really didn't see the appeal but a lot of people in my group were very big rush fans So I said no summer diehard. I always love the trees. It's one of my favorites The only one I remember is that Tom Sawyer song. Well, that's them. That's our monster. Yeah Yeah Yeah, see I don't know anything about I know closer to the heart too. Oh Here it is I'll copy this link address and put it in This one there's the movie review for the movie. He did it's called Rock and Roll Nightmare I'll put in the chat randoms cult movie. Oh, it's that's that's the guy He does a lot of cult movies. It's interesting because his site his YouTube page has been like yanked twice Because he was I guess posting clips And they weren't even long with with Scott sigler about this because he wanted to do a movie trailer Show on YouTube. He's like, how can I do it legitimately? He wanted me to ask Eileen and I think it's like it's not I don't work in that area So I can't really tell you and it's not obvious how to do that No, I Know it can be done because there's people doing it and it's not like he's putting the whole movie or even like The definition of fair use it's commentary. It's repurposing. It's not undermining the marketplace or the original like It is certainly fair use, but there's just no mechanism for determining fair use because fair use is very squishy. It's not very algorithmic Welcome to our discussion fair use is very squishy I would like to get them on if we ever do fair use because it'd be interesting He has that he also has to cover all the because all the movies he does hasn't Bear women's breath, so he has to cover them up or they also get yeah, that's a different issue Well, it is it's not a copyright issue. No, I understand standards and practices Although that that kind of thing doesn't get caught by the bot like content ID That kind of thing is reported by viewers. I think But he also does as a squishy posse He did all the he did all the Turkish knockoff movies that Turkish Superman You're a huge fan of those. I know Me to those actually knockoff is a pejorative term. Are you sure that's the term you want to use Roger? Georgios wait, is he Greek? He's Swiss born Greek Austrian writer He just looks like he's no the the ancient astronauts guy. Oh that guy Still talking about him. Yeah, sorry. He just totally looks like someone. You'd need that comic-con Still that old chestnut These halos their helmets these flaming chariot spaceships This England These astronaut-shaped helmets these flaming chariot ships this England I Wanted I Wanted to do not do but If there was ever a movie I wanted an opportunity to do like a movie I wanted to do one where you could literally drop Where you would have Internationals or not aliens what I'm calling international Aliens come to earth and literally call humanity every few centuries Not because they're breeding us or anything But because they need soldiers to fight their wars and so every now and then they just twist on old man's war by John schools it would be basically a recruit Yeah, but like it will eventually get to our generation. We're just totally screwed in the head and they don't know what they get and Hilarity ensues. How are you? Do you mean old people? our generation The old Older people I like it. It sounds a lot like elder. Yeah, but not too ancient blue is my favorite ancient biological creatures The ABC's ancient biological creatures. That's actually alien big cat and Britain ABC's That was another if you see if you don't know this underground stuff, you'll totally miss it So back in the 70s hold on that is the most pretentious thing you've said all day If you don't know this underground stuff that only I'm aware of then you'll miss all my references that I'm making to the underground stuff That I'm only aware of That's the very I don't understand what your point is Tom No, seriously because back in the 60s or the 70s and 80s There's a huge do it's a phone or some minor phenomenon called the ABC's alien big cats where people reported seeing large predatory That's a real thing. Yeah, and originally people thought well It's just an animal that escaped to zoo or something like that Well when now we know that it's magical creatures that weren't properly protected by the Ministry of Magic Where to find them All right, are you ready to rumble? Oh, give me control. We read. Oh crap. We'll do Probably ready. I like this hot. I like this hot breaking news red bit. You do at the top. I like that. You like that The same way it was like a breaking yeah stuck it in there, but I'd like to yeah, I just like the idea of it All right. Here we go. I Should record probably yeah, that's good. I don't know man podcasting This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday July 6 2016. I'm Tom. I joined me today as he does most Wednesdays Mr. Scott Johnson of the Frog Pants Network. How are you Scott Johnson? Fantastic beep-boop beep. I was not programmed to love I'm here and I love it because Wednesdays are great and we get to talk about all kinds of cool stuff Some people say look, how do you even deal with Wednesdays because that's Sloan Tech News Day And I say to them nay, we have some of the best conversations. I've ever had about tech Yeah, in fact today is not a Sloan Tech News Day We're going to talk about snapchat just ditching ephemerality. They're like, man I know that's how we built ourselves, but you can store everything in the cloud now That's coming up in a little bit silent circles chief strategy officer Vic Heider told ours technically regarding the removal of its warrant canary page Quote we have not received any warrants and we do not expect any since we have so little information available Now here are some more top stories Google announced new updates to now on tap for users of Android Marshmallow When you long press the home button on any screen in any app, you'll now get an option to translate this screen That's how Google now on tap works and then translate the screen is one of the new options It's available for phones with languages set to English French Italian German Spanish Portuguese and Russian There's a new discover mode that lets you stream a bunch of visual content related to what's on your screen So you can get for instance YouTube videos and pictures of Pluto if that's what you happen to be looking at And you can now scan barcodes and QR codes to get info cards related to that object I think that sounds awesome, especially the translation thing. I would love to be able to do that More simply and it sounds like I mean certainly Android's an ecosystem that will support this better But I wouldn't mind seeing this integrated in some of the Google Google apps on iOS. I'd like to see Chrome on iOS perhaps have this sort of built into it I don't know if that's coming or if that's planned at all, but this sort of thing No, it's it's in Chrome already the advance here is that I don't have to be in Chrome I can just be an app and it's all of a sudden the app shows me something in Korean I can long press and be like boom. I don't actually it should say that I don't know if Korean works But if it shows me something in German, I can long press and it'll change it to English for like clearly I am not using Chrome the way I should be I did not know that was not on Android Maybe you're just not using Android the way you should be that's a lot of friends would tell me that After a beta period starting in May Pokemon go I say that was some emphasis because there is an exclamation point point there The augmented reality mobile game has arrived in the Android and iOS app stores the initial rollout That began in New Zealand as it often does That's usually sort of the cold launch and will continue to different markets over the next few days The game was developed by Niantic Labs. This is not Nintendo obviously and is actually a company spun off by Google in 2015 Or the Pokemon company which by the way is not the same as Nintendo. No, it's not a lot of people Niantic is neither the Pokemon company nor Nintendo either. Yeah, it's easy to conflate them all I mean, I kind of get why people do but there's actually a lot of different sort of cookie jars with people's hands on them But yeah, this is an exciting moment because even though we're not talking about a Nintendo Prime game and we have some other stuff to say about Nintendo later in the mobile space a Lot of people still see it as oh another four way or for a into mobile gaming from a place that we normally don't You know doesn't seem to have much interest in mobile gaming And so as much as I want to just pin this right on Nintendo's donkey It's important to remember that it's not really them though. It does benefit them. I think yeah, they're involved in it And I think in addition to being a slice of the Nintendo mobile strategy It's also a really interesting game because if you don't realize it the way it works is you go out into the world and you find The Pokemon out in the real world in fact It's hit Australia and Japan now as well as New Zealand and already in Australia a police station in Darwin has put out an Advisory effect I should read this for those budding Pokemon trainers out there using Pokemon go Whilst the Darwin police station may feature as a pokey stop Please be advised that you don't actually have to step inside in order to gain the Pokeballs It's also a good idea to look up away from your phone in both ways before crossing the street That sand shrew isn't going anywhere fast. Stay safe and catch them all You think I mean I had to have been a response from some people who had to have gone in there, right? Like if they didn't know anybody was going in they wouldn't have probably issued the warning So somebody somewhere thought well, I've got to go in the station They probably had more than one like walking in saying hey, I'm looking for the Pokemon They're like, um, you know, you're cluttering up our lobby, which is probably not the best place for you to be right Yeah, and reddit and the internet are already rife with strange locations Physical locations for lots of people's Pokemon that they are finding so there is no shortage of good stuff coming out of New Zealand and shortly Australia by the way is a shout out to our co-contributor Peter Wells Your country is doing us proud with the memes as well in New Zealand, you know, no shortage there, but Pokemon on the Barbie is now something that I have seen I think my favorite one is the dog that's taking a dump and the Pokemon just happens to show up right under the dog Yeah, well done argument of reality. You are truly making our lives better Facebook launched open cellular today with the aim of bringing more affordable wireless access through an open-source hardware and software Platform platform tries to use already available infrastructure as much as possible to keep the hardware to a minimum keep the costs low It has two main subsystems one for general purpose and baseband computing And that's the one that takes advantage of already existing infrastructure But there's also one for radio packed into it So even if the backhaul were to go down the people on the on the network that is created by this would still be able To communicate which could be useful in disaster situations The whole thing is fit into a backpack sized container that measures 19.5 by 8.5 by 4.5 inches They're designed to handle extremes of wind temperature and other harsh conditions So you can put them up on poles and it can rain on them Telecom operators entrepreneurs researchers and OEMs can make free use of the designs And the software is going to be donated to the telecom infra project telecom info project or tip Is another facebook backed organization Who's dedicated to making this sort of infrastructure freely available to people And so they will be the ones monitoring or maintaining the open source of both the design of the hardware and the firmware and software that runs it So it's still I mean this these kinds of maneuvers by facebook It's easy to look at them and wonder what the catch is But what this seems like to me once again is another example of a pretty good idea effect a great idea Pretty helpful thing in theory and once you know, we see these things up and around Seems like it's going to be a really good thing and then the added benefit is I suppose Uh more people on facebook one day. I guess that's what they're getting out of it, but You know beyond that it's hard to knock this. I think it's a really cool initiative Yeah, it is definitely in their best interest to bring more people online that that is why google does this sort of thing too In fact, that's why they got into google fiber was not so much that they wanted to invent a new isp But they wanted to show that you could roll out isps with higher speeds to people because the more people that do it The more people use google. So it's same thing with facebook But whatever their selfish reasons may be I I think this is the right way to do it You make a low-cost package. You make it freely available to anybody in the world And you're going to see all kinds of unintended benefits of that Yeah, i'm excited to see how that pans out google has acquired paris company mood stocks What we call patrick sometimes on the weekends Um that these guys develop machine learning image recognition for smartphones mood stocks will be Discontinue its api and sdk and build an image recognition tool and tools within google current paying mood stocks subscribers We'll be able to use the product until the end of their subscription So there you go another company sucked into the machine. Yeah, well, yeah, and the machine learning, right? Everybody is trying to figure out this image recognition play. It's interesting to see them all doing it Twitter bought magic pony Which does very similar things differences mood stocks been around since I think something like 2008 And they had a viable product that they were supporting So they they are now being sucked inside the google machine and I I read one I think it was the tech crunch article said that they are often called the schizam of images because you can hold Up an image to their technology and and it will be able to recognize it say oh, I know what that is And and so this could definitely help not only in search, but you can search by image which google can already do but it can improve that everybody is Various everybody all of the tech companies that provide you these sort of services that benefit from being able to come up with the right image Are Are looking for better ways to do that with snapchats involved in this too. We'll talk about that in a little bit Yeah, also, you know, I hate to say it but maybe the best manifestation on the consumer level of Machines recognizing Stuff is face swapping and silly apps You know like that's actually a thing that works and works pretty well And it knows where a face is and what to put on top of it And I'm I could be crazy But if I would have told you 10 years ago that we could do that with a little device in our hands You probably would have laughed at me. Yeah Uh netflix officially announced tuesday a deal to bring cw shows to its platform eight days after the season ends Uh, this is one of the quickest turn around so you don't get in season shows But just one day longer than a week after the series finale You will be able to watch the entire previous season on netflix Cw's deal with hulu will expire this autumn which is previously how a lot of people were watching in season stuff They also had a deal previously with netflix that also expired but this new deal replaces that viewers will have to use cw's apps and website to access shows online while the season is ongoing and In a separate deal netflix uh agreed with comcast to install the netflix app on comcast's x1 set top boxes So those two have made friends again after having their big interconnection dispute. Yeah What a what a funny little marriage that is um after the after the kind of the problems that are going back and forth But I guess that's good. I mean I have No need for it But and I have comcast but really just for internet and you know And netflix is essentially on everything so why would comcast want to fight against that wave? I suppose but sure Why not it's more interesting to me that? I feel I hear this about cw being able to watch those shows Maybe not in season but the you know a week after the season ends It's actually kind of intriguing to me because I'll get kind of a binge experience I could do with netflix Uh currently with their shows But I may have to wane a little bit and that's probably okay because we always talk about this embarrassment of riches There's so much to watch that I could schedule it out and say well I'm cool not watching flash in real time. So I'll watch the flash When it's done because in the meantime, I got to catch up on these three other shows that are now out and available So I don't have a problem with this. This sounds good. Oh, man. I do. I have a problem with this This is a sad day for me. Uh, and it's probably just me but as a test case I'll I'll show you why this is different. It's different for different people And I think that's interesting that you're like, ah, these weren't things I needed to watch right away Anyway, it's fine. Uh, which is kind of what netflix is counting on and cw is counting on Hey, we may have a better chance of monetizing this this way for people like scott Then we would have forcing them into some other hulu like arrangement, but I Record these shows like arrow and flash over the air. By the way, super girl is coming to cw this season So it's not going to be on cbs. So that's another one in here and I liked watching them on hulu anyway If I didn't need to see it live or right away I would just wait the next day in hulu because I didn't have to press a button to skip through commercials All right, because I pay for the commercial free version of hulu Now I'll have to go to the cw app which has commercials that I won't be able to skip And or I'll just have to wait and do it on tivo Which now it has that little thing if you watch it like within a half hour or more after it airs You can press one button and skip through the commercials, which is great But it's still I know this is just whiny complaining, but it's still one more button I love the hulu experience. It was like the perfect dvr It just I just watch everything without commercials and it was easy to find it. It would always show up like here's your next episode Yeah, I I say as as excited as I am for the idea that they could strike a deal I should actually be sad because I am a hulu subscriber as well And I prefer that experience when it comes to tv shows on hulu. So you're right I'm gonna have an extra button north of very I wouldn't try to talk you into being sad No, no, no, it's just it's funny though because it just really depends on what you're used to if you're a netflix guy And that's all you care about this is probably just fine This probably sounds great in fact for all your concern You're getting a brand new awesome deal happening over there at your favorite streaming service But for hulu people we're just kind of scratching our heads and going oh no But it happens on both sides netflix will lose a contract with somebody that go off new their own thing and Suddenly we're missing 50 movies we used to get and that were always up there as perennial, you know experiences. So Man just a big large reminder that the streaming world's still trying to get its feet Yeah, I guess there's a side to that I hadn't thought of until you were just saying that You know amazon has struck a deal with warner brothers today to get like 33 of those movies like father of the bride And space jam are going to come to amazon prime. So those won't be anywhere else Those will only be on amazon prime and as they divide up this this landscape one of the other things That channels wanted to control of is that experience of watching things right away? So cw leaving hulu for the in season replays is a big deal because they're hoping to force people to go install that Cw app where they can control the entire experience monetize all the video Get the user data themselves rather than working in partnership with somebody else. Yeah, that's true Well, I'm just excited about your space jam news moving on that's good news during a recent interview Or sorry a recent investors meeting q&a session and a nintendo's general manager of entertainment planning and development Shinya takahashi. Look at that. Look at these. Look at me Said this quote physical controllers for smart device applications are available in the market And it is possible that we may also develop something new by ourselves Unquote i'm emphasizing this because it's kind of a big deal if it's true He went on to say that they're still looking into how to make a good action game controlled by touchscreen While they squeeze their way into mobile in various ways This is exciting to me because I think nintendo Maybe knows this better than anybody but tactile Controllers where you have real buttons and the feeling of actual movement in a more mechanical way than a touchscreen I think really matters to them And if it matters enough to them they could in theory make a device that is even just a throwback to it like a I don't know a super nintendo controller or something somebody some some old controller everyone loved Or not if something brand new is fine, but the idea that nintendo one of the four front front runners of Advancing controller technology in the past. They brought us the first true analog stick They brought us all kinds of stuff and all you people with your sega satin version of knights. I know that was an analog stick I'm not talking about that But the point is like they will change the way people use controllers if they do that in mobile forget about this being some weird niche Business where my fi controllers are kind of a thing that exists We that this may take this from like diamond rio to ipod Uh levels of selling controllers for mobile if nintendo really pokes their head in like that this could potentially be huge I don't want to overstate it, but it feels big to me and and it is easy to look at this from the other side and say What would he talking about scott? A freaking you know head of head of a department a general manager said Ah, we're looking at something. Why is that news the reason why that's news and why it's got scott and other people So excited is nintendo never says anything about anything So the fact that he even acknowledged the idea of looking into an analog controller Is huge for the for the people who follow nintendo closely because they're they're like wow He actually said a thing like he admitted that they were even thinking about analog controllers Uh, he and and he immediately it's almost like he backpedaled like oh crap I've said too much because he immediately said well Maybe maybe physical controllers are just never going to work and we're fine with that too So we're looking into ways to make sure that you know your smartphone device control can be can be done without that as well so Without saying it I think he summed up the problem here, which is We would love to have those physical controllers But it's not as easy as it looks because how do you hold the screen in the controller at the same time? Uh, do you have to plug it in and make it kind of like a 3ds kind of situation? And is it going to fall off and is it janky and and so if they can't figure that out They're not going to put out something substandard. That's the subtext that I yeah I agree with that and that is the one kicker because you right now Mifi controllers are controllers that use for android and ios devices And there's so much new support for this stuff So it's actually a really good time for this But one of the problems is if I want to play on my phone I gotta kind of put my phone somewhere and the best controllers are separate devices They're running wirelessly and non connected to your device That doesn't feel like a nintendo solution And you can say a lot of things about nintendo's weird solutions over the years But for the most part they are very interested in user experience. They know their base better than anybody And even if they made these controllers just for games they produced it would be a huge selling point But I don't know how many of us want to clamp a phone into a plastic You know in shell or encasement and I don't think too many of us love the idea of propping it up somewhere And trying to look at it while we use a free controller So there are a lot of questions to be answered some of which they can't control Nintendo doesn't control this hardware and in fact the hardware Is so diverse outside of the apple ecosystem when you talk just about android you're talking about a huge number of possibilities So they're almost getting into like the pc peripheral business in a weird way if they do this now I've got a ticket to crazy town to sell you here. All right go If you're I think it was Miyamoto who said and probably at the same meeting if I if I'm remembering it correctly He said something about virtual reality and nintendo and again It was that same thing where if you don't follow nintendo and you read what he said It's like well, he just admitted that virtual reality exists. What's the big deal? But the fact of nintendo ever saying anything about virtual reality is a huge significance to from a company that doesn't ever say anything about anything What if What they're looking at and i'm not saying this will ever hit the light of day But what if what they're looking at is what if our nintendo apps that we're making for mobile Work with a gear vr type situation What if we create our own virtual reality thing you put your phone in it like a gear vr Uh, and then you can play the nintendo apps in a virtual reality simulation and we have a controller for that Then your viewpoint is independent of your controller So you don't have that 3ds issue that we have to design around But you also will be able to get the benefits of physical buttons. That's interesting i'm not i'm gonna say for the record I don't think that's that crazy. I also think it sounds like A way that they could kind of create an intent a new nintendo ecosystem That kind of equals that of consoles and why what i mean by that is what is the phone, but the screen It's the screen it happens to have a bunch of motion control and stuff built into it But they all do now that's kind of standard So if you've got a phone that's relatively modern and to some sort of minimum spec whatever that may be Plopping that inside of an adjustable headset to fit various phones or whatever Having a nintendo piece of hardware in your hands a nintendo piece of hardware on your head And the only other piece of investment is the display like oh, I don't know a television like we do with consoles That seems like it's kind of totally in their business model like it already works In in that in that space. I know it's a little more nuanced than that But not any old tv works with a console a modern console either They could use pokemon go in that situation right it's perfect They've already got an app that they're associated with to do that cap jack even has a name for it virtual boy 2.0 Oh, no That'd be I mean that's the one thing that they're gonna have to always run away from as the ghost of nintendo past And that will always be a weird mark on the on the vr history But if they could do something cool and have it be, you know, well received inexpensive Something that works well for the masses the most possible phones. I like your idea in fact I'm not going to say that it's crazy or out there. I think there's some possibility to that Uh researchers at the institute of micro and nano systems technology in norway have created a one millimeter wide replica of the original pacman maze Using nano structures now before you say these graduate students and researchers should be fired Or you say this is crazy cool But what's it good for they populated the maze with euglena and ciliates and their predators rotifers and say that Rather than just having a plain flat petri dish in which to observe them They have a more realistic environment with walls and and channels and this gives them a better set of data coming from these Little nano characters, uh these nano creatures as opposed to the flat plane of a petri dish So my my guess is and I haven't read this anywhere But my guess is they said, well, you know, this flat petri dish doesn't really give us a real world application Let's let's build some barriers. Let's build some obstacles for them to get around Uh and and by golly if one of them didn't say like, well, let's just make it a pacman maze Why not? I think it's the greatest thing ever. I really do. Um, you know when science Crosses the beams with pop culture We all win man. It's great because what did this do? This is not only cool in its own right and not only is it scientifically sound and the way that they're Establishing the rules of this all makes sense. It's all good. But then they're tying it to something We all are familiar with that we all love and Suddenly science is less of this thing a bunch of you know MIT grads do and it's something we can all go. Ha that's cool I want to learn more about why these things are chasing each other like I think that's awesome So more of this, please. I'm here's the big question. We'll next year the miss pacman version of the petri dish Yes, better Can't wait definitive version of pacman looking for looking forward to that Hey, thanks to all those who participate in our sub reddit. We had obitue the condolce in there today steve io loki robert TM 204 and more be one of them even if you don't have stories to submit get in there and vote on the ones that have been submitted At daily tech news show dot reddit.com. That's a look at the top stories Let's get to snapchat new feature called memories will let you save personal moments to snapchat servers So rather than downloading them to your camera roll like you can do now You'll be able to save them to the server and not take up any space on your phone If you choose to save a picture or video to memories, you can then find it later by swiping up from below the camera screen You'll be able to search by keyword So there's some image recognition going on in here as I mentioned saved memories can even be Reshared in my stories. They'll show up with a little frame and timestamp to indicate It's an older picker video. So maybe on somebody's birthday You can show last year's birthday party or something like that You can also create a new story to send to friends from your memories And you can send it to friends as a message you could move snaps and stories to a new area called my eyes only If you want to save them, but if you're showing your memories to someone else Maybe you don't want them to stumble across particular snaps that you want to save That's what my eyes only is for and it's protected by a pin The whole memories feature is rolling out to select users over the next month or so I think I got I may have gotten something today with this. Really? Yeah, it may have been just a Preparatory sort of update. Let me let me check a lot of people get updates. Scott. That doesn't mean you're at this Here it is introducing memories memories is a new way to Yes, I got it I haven't tried any of that yet or mess with it My only question about any of this tom and we're going to talk about other things to do with this But just a question about this update I don't know why there's an advantage to me putting them in the cloud versus just on my Phone or is that me? Is that the old I need to collect all my music on my hard drive guy talking? uh Well, you still can do that, right? You can still save it what this does is says if you've only got a 16 gigabyte phone Well, maybe that's going away. I don't know the rumor is iphone's going to go 32 gigs But uh, but let's say you don't want to just store them all yourself You can keep them up in snapchat and it's easier. You don't have to think about it You don't have to go wait. Which phone did I save that on because I changed phones and did it sink over? They're all in one place. All right. Well, that makes sense. I think that could be useful. However What's more interesting about this whole story and about this update and about snapchat generally not to mention all of its competitors Is this is no longer that sneaky app only 14 year olds know about that's super uh obscure and Is the rumored pervert app so that everybody can just share naked pictures of themselves And parents beware snapchat is going to get you That feels like they have figured out that that's no longer their demographic or at least that demographic is aging and Older people are coming down to it and meeting at some place And they're introducing features that we want things like better control over the actual images and data that we have um What is going on over there? I feel like snapchat is I don't I wouldn't say growing up because I don't I don't mean it in a pejorative But they're they're taking steps in doing things to slowly Yeah, they're involved in the mainstream app. They want us all to use I think it's really interesting because snapchat is definitely pivoting right they used to be like Hey, where the place where nothing ever gets saved and today they became hey Where the place where you could save everything? But there's an essential quality to this which is you control what's get saved You can still send the snap that will disappear after the first two viewings of it that hasn't changed They they're very careful not to take things away from people They are facing more and more competition out there as well. So they need to keep evolving like this There's an app called snow Which is owned by neighbor in south korea the same company that owns line the messaging app that essentially is a copy of snapchat They have a few different features But it is eating snapchats lunch in asia in a large part because It can operate in china and snapchat cannot yet operate in china So snapchat is moving to this format as older people start to use the service and I find this Balancing act that they're doing interesting because scott They started as the company that was saying you are tired of posting pictures on facebook For getting there there and then ruining your job interview Because they find a drunken picture of you on facebook use snapchat That was the that was the draw of it is like you won't have to worry about it You can share funny pictures and not worry about the consequences later Now I'm that makes me wonder what is The new frustration that the new snapchat can take advantage of because stay with me here snapchat did that But didn't stay to it chat roulette, which apparently still exists Just stayed with like hey, it's ephemeral and you never know who you're gonna get and they never evolved snapchat said Well, we'll start with that ephemerality, but then we'll add stories and now we're gonna add memories And so we're building on what we think the users want That's the way to start is what is that frustration that needs to be solved? Yeah, and the question is What frustration do I have say i'm trying to ask myself this what frustration do I have right now that I'd like to be solved Well, one of them is if i'm a snapchat user and I am How come I can't pull stuff off my My photo album and put it up there stuff I just took as a random snap because I had to hurry up and take a picture with a default camera And then later want to use it. Welcome to memories Which can now access your camera roll Yes, and that and see so what they have done is they've said hey Scott you're Well over the demographic of the people we used to appeal to the most in fact. We're what percentage are we in? We're in the uh Of uh of 38 percent of 25 to 34 year olds, but we're uh, we're above that 15 percent of smartphone users age 35. Yeah, there are always outliers today. We Tom and I are outliers, but um, But but still those are significant numbers is this comm score shows 14 percent of smartphone users ages 35 and older you snapchat That's up 2 percent in april of 20 from april Let me reframe the question because what you're telling me is exactly the answer to snapchat saying Okay, how do we get more people to use it? Well, let's do the thing that the older people like Which is what instagram and facebook already offer Which is the ability to store some photos and share your memories. All right That that's getting us as we wander in and ruin the party What do you think what is that frustration that nobody is doing because all snapchats doing is saying well Other services do this and now we're going to do it in our own way But when snapchat started nobody did ephemeral sharing and it's one of the reasons that older people didn't understand it They're like well no social networking is about sharing permanently store all of your things on facebook You store all of your things on instagram. Why would I want to use a service where my picture just goes away and it never gets Stored and the answer was I am frustrated by that permanency. I don't want to have to think about stuff being stored I want to have not have to think about that perfect instagram shot. I just want ephemerality What is the current frustration that nobody actually has an answer for that would be the next apps Way to build a business. Well, I mean if i'm gonna if i'm gonna throw one out i'd say The toxicity negativity abusive harassing behavior that you see that would be number one for me And I I asked people on twitter I asked people on facebook the same question and that was definitely if not the most common Tied for the most common the other was algorithmic. They're like I don't the algorithm doesn't show me the right things I'm not sure if that is perception or reality to be honest, but But yeah, uh, I agree with you. I think annoying abusive harassing postings Is an area that twitter's been trying to solve facebook's been trying to solve They've they all solve it to varying degrees of effectiveness, but nobody's cracked it No, but but I would argue that snapchat well ahead of the game Maybe this is their big win because way ahead of all of this They created a more personal one-on-one say what you want about how it was being used by some people, but that kind of uh Temporary message temporary photo. We are just having a quick exchange and then it's over with They establish that as their flag in the ground Come forward now and they're adding features that all these other services have yet They're retaining that as a core value at least it seems to be So maybe that's how they win and that's how this frustration gets answered They bring enough features that we all love and want out of all these other services But somehow still are able to take away that layer of Of interaction. I think of it like hearthstone anybody plays the video game hearthstone They don't let you chat with each other all you can do is send very vague emotes that are built into the game Like well done or thank you or welcome. Sorry Sorry. Yeah, actually They took that out because that started to be used that way. Exactly. So so they were smart I think in in a way in creating a system that still encouraged everybody to play against one another But took away that well, so there's your opportunity scott. What you're saying is well snapchat avoids The interaction right you can interact with your friends directly But you can't interact in public and so you just don't have that issue That's the opportunity. What about somebody's like no, but I want to be able to interact in public like twitter But I don't want it to have the risk Of turning into a troll fest I don't I'm not saying I have the answer of how to do that But if somebody can come up with that if somebody can do what snapchat did and said well Then you just you make the social network this way and I guess yik yak Sort of tried to do that by saying well, you're just anonymous. Nobody ever knows who you are It's just based on location, but that had the opposite effect and it just became a cesspool Yeah, we got real bad. I was using so today you sent me a link to a live facebook video You did and I thought you know what I haven't tried this show. I'm gonna make one So I made one in response to it put it up on the page Uh immediately filled up real quick at a hundred something people in there and I was asking okay so what do you see I haven't used this format yet feels like periscope blah blah blah and Big chat room scrolling by and I thought to myself Man, I'm glad I have nice followers or else this could be real ugly in here And facebook's not going to step forward and say by default chat rooms are off Twitch will never do chat rooms are off by default. They're not even gonna give us the option to do that as a user We have to go and turn it off manually if we don't want to look at that stuff Same with youtube same with everybody else. They are all afraid to do what you're saying because to them that is Just a stone too far and it cuts off the whole point of being Social and again, we're back to that argument about all the people all the time And it seems like snapchat has taken a very different tone and approach and said no Less people some of the time when you want to kind of how you want to Okay, but what is what is the problem with that right because Because you can you can roll this back and say well facebook solved the problems of my space and that's why it became more successful But snapchat solved the problems of facebook, which is why it became successful. So what's the problem with snapchat? Oh, man If you do you want to take user interface out of the equation? Yeah, that's just because we're old I don't know man. There's it's about as intuitive I think it's that lack of reaction like I don't I don't get the jolt of being able to have a back and forth And yet that's one of the benefits of it, right? So is there a way to swing that pendulum back somehow? I'm really convinced that that's that's the area of opportunity and maybe it's public or talk show where they have curated chats We're only certain people are chatting in the main thing But you can be elevated into it out of the the massive comments that are going on to the side I don't know well in a way. They've already kind of done this. They've said all right Look, it's a private thing and if you want to follow somebody you have to go manually add them Uh, but if you want to you can so people can watch dg call it and watch him all day doing crazy things And I don't know how many millions of people I can't talk back and forth with them in public Well, that's true. There is no back and forth. Yeah, you're right. It's more of a broadcast thing I suppose which is fine. I'm not saying it's a bad thing for snapchat. I'm just saying like but if I want to do this other thing Yeah, I don't know that I like there's this there's this app public. I know you're doing some stuff on public Yeah, that's what I was just mentioned public or talk show. Yeah, yeah public's great because public seems to have Uh, some of these ideas like these ideas of saying maintain privacy maintain a lack of toxicity Have some moderation tools have it be quick and easy and fast make this public on the web Um, you know, there's they seem like they've kind of got the right ideas How that all susses out? I guess we'll have to wait and see but maybe there's something in I don't know like wisdom of the crowds. I don't believe in that anymore as much as I used to and and curation to some degree I think is a good idea and people to complain that they want just raw fee. It's machine learning Yeah, maybe that's it machine machine learning that can tell when a comment is trolley It just stops it from showing up. There's somebody needs to call. Uh, what is it mood? Whoever it is they bought Mood stocks mood stocks the rest stock or magic pony on twitter They're doing image recognition though. Uh, all right. Well, if you guys have thoughts about this I'm not saying we have the answer. I'm not sure there is an answer But uh feedback to daily tech news show dot com our pick of the day Uh is something I saw that came out earlier this week from double twist called, uh, cloud player Now cloud player has been out for a while It allows you to play your music from whatever source you want. It could be google drive It could be dropbox. 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Just put it all in dropbox play it from there Send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks I'm going to read this first email Scott if you'll read the next one The first one comes from Joshua who wrote in with a video that he has created Demonstrating one way the onyx mobile backpack can be used Joshua is developing the onyx mobile backpack He says the final backpack is more refined and has more features. Let me know what you think I've received some very positive and encouraging feedback from microsoft coincidentally They launched the surface pro xbox one deal for students Which will run throughout my Kickstarter campaign and his onyx mobile backpack Is a surface tablet combined with an xbox one in the backpack with the battery So that you can play the xbox on the go. Whoa I kind of would I kind of would like one. Look at that If you talk nice to Joshua, he might be able to hook you up. That's super cool, man. So wait. Oh, yeah Okay, I see you have the xbox like latched into the backpack There's batteries in there as well And then you pull up the surface up off the top and boom you're playing xbox. That's pretty great That's super super cool. I hope you died. Yeah, and the fact that he gets feedback from microsoft probably tells you that You're sort of onto something there, dude Changing the way we portably game our next email comes from sam lang bartholes Lang bartholes is how he says to say it. I love that name. Keep it up What would be the benefits and fallbacks of bb selling out to google or apple and continuing to make our devices Under one of them or making their devices under one of them Creating a business class smartphone running ios as a subsidy of apple and rolling bb messenger into iMessage For a more secure and encrypted messaging service the same can be said for google possibly more So because bb already has google phones bb messenger could potentially give apps like slack a run for their money in the right hands That's from sam the host so when sam says bb, he means blackberry, obviously Oh, yeah, I can think bb meant blackberry. That's why he wrote it. So that's fine. You're being true to his his composition there But I don't think apple ever buys blackberry I don't think if they did for some reason by blackberry that they would have a business class version of iphone I think they consider the top level iphone a business class phone already I don't think it's a crazy idea though that blackberry might sell its handset business to somebody I don't think it would be apple But john shen Keeps going on and on about how his company is an enterprise security company about secure messaging now I don't think they sell blackberry messenger But at some point they may say you know what we just don't want to make handsets anymore You know microsoft buys failed handset businesses. Maybe they'll they'll pop it and buy this. I don't know I doubt I bet sachin adela has learned that lesson that steve balmer taught him and they won't do that But but yeah, I mean blackberry wants to be a services company. They want to be a cloud services company and the handset business Is just meant to sort of advertise that which is why they don't care about Doing android phones versus blackberry os phones are like hey if blackberry os phones showcase our our services better than great We'll continue to do that But john chen says look i just want to make a profitable business At some point he may decide that the best way to make a profitable business is to divest himself with handsets Well the best the best comparison of this for me is probably ibm and lenovo when they sold the think padline to them When they were trying to get out of hey where ibm and we make consumer products Do we don't want to do that anymore and we're strictly r&d and all the other things they do now That made a lot of sense lenovo picked that stuff up They were able to run with it do really well with it. That is still a very popular line of computers They've since expanded and all of that stuff is true It's different here though because you're facing a market that is so Entrenched in ios and android and to have anything else doesn't seem as valuable I mean i i think microsoft thought maybe they are on to something as kind of a last ditch Third wing effort to compete in this new crazy mobile space by picking up nokia the way that they did But that turned out to be a big failure So in the shadow of that failure not did not did just satcha nadella learned a lesson I think the entire industry learned a lesson and this is a real hard sell I don't think anybody's ready to pony up the kind of cash they would want for that sort of thing Now you're probably right Forward in the way that lenovo did with with think pads and other companies do this all the time I just think that's that market is like the genie's out of that bottle And it's going to be real hard to stuff it back in blackberry would be more likely to sell their enterprise services to microsoft Microsoft would be very interested in buying blackberry messenger blackberry enterprise server I would think were that for sale But that is the business and I don't think john shen is at that point yet With blackberry to say well, let's just sell to somebody else although anybody comes up with a big enough number anybody else So that's just in such a weird place. I feel and I know it's it's weird to feel bad for corporations But I feel like blackberry just I don't know. It's like a thief in the night It just kind of came they were rad something else came along and no one cares now And that's a we that's a bad. It's a weird place to be in Well, this has also been a has a bit of a weird place to be in except in the good way Uh, thank you scott johnson for joining us. Uh, what do you got going on to tell folks about before we get out of here? Oh goodness, there's a thousand things I created a coloring book Which makes no strange to some but I took a bunch of my art from the extra life collection of comics I've been doing for the last 12 or 13 years and put a very small inexpensive Coloring book up online so that people can get it if they want it So if you have kids or you just want to color some art, it's very therapeutic for adults as well That's the big thing right now. 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I like it To pokemon and serve I guess it's good effort An image is worth a thousand searches Snapped oh, I think they meant snapchat but they misspelled it snapchat decides older people forget enough things on their own Facebook with unintended benefits That's actually pretty funny But um I'm looking for uh more i'm looking for more snap. Most of it's uh, nintendo related Uh rope viewers and amaze To pokemon and serve I kind of like aging snapsters too Aging snapsters. That's a pretty good one. Yep. I vote for that. All right. I like that one too So carried motion carried aging snapsters will be the title The honorable tom judge merit, please stand for his My travel's out of reach. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah I'll use this bat instead Oh Yay I love that. Oh, yeah No, man. I I I am fascinated with this idea of of like Snapchat came along and everybody's like, why would anyone want that? So what I'm waiting for that next thing That's why it's hard to so hard to think of Is is because the reaction is going to be why would anyone want that but it's going to be brilliant Whatever it is. Yeah, no, I completely agree and it'll be the thing that stops Not stops but limits abuse, right? And so I'm I keep trying to think like, okay What snapchat did was said, hey, you don't like permanent images. Well, none of the images are permanent And and so it's like, hey, you don't like your public chats being chastised. Well, none of your Points can be chastised Maybe that's it. Maybe it's a social network where no one can reply Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, but is it a social network at that point? Sort of I mean you could follow people. Yeah, but Well, whatever you call it though, maybe it's maybe that's it. What if they did it so All those things are automatically timed out and they're blocked but but you can unlock them Like you get to choose to To selectively, okay, this one is gonna prove the replies to your But then you still see them. That's a no, no, no, no That's the thing though after like say after a couple hours. They automatically disappear unless you proactively go there But then you have to go look at them To approve them. Yes, but so then you're still going to be seeing the harassing posts Maybe that's just you know what though, you're trying to you're trying to fix humanity Tom Yeah, you could say the same thing about facebook. You could say people like I hate it that I took a photo Well, don't put the photo on facebook. That's the solution, right? Well, that's snapchat figured out another solution That let people still post the photos but without the consequences Yeah, no, I I agree with that I How how like whoever What you're describing is the next um Like if someone can solve that riddle, yeah, they're huge Like that's an enormous accomplishment. I don't know how you do it though. Solve stupidity. What? Yeah, stupidity, please someone For the children, please for all the children Yeah, please for all it. Can we please think of can we please think of you know your daughter's future here? I just I just want someone to figure a way for us to ascend into non caporial beings like they do in star trek What they've evolved a couple steps down, but sure. Yeah I mean, maybe we figure out how to have a conversation in public without abuse first And then we can work on ascending into non-caporial beings. I'm I'm with you there I don't know. Maybe I'm being too rigid Maybe I mean that's why that's where the non-caporial aspect comes in there. Sure. I'm very fluid Maybe you can't solve one without the other Listen, all I know is when you become non-caporial you become insufferably arrogant. So maybe It's you go hand in hand And so maybe a little Star Trek has taught me anything it is it's very you turn down your nose Oh Sound cloud What happened to sound cloud not sound cloud audacity. Sorry. I I said the wrong product in The audacity for audacity of sound cloud That sounds like a title for a show Yeah, it's not bad. Hold on to that one What the audacity of audacity no the audacity of sound cloud Each week we talk about another file that we used in sound cloud. You do edit it in audacity See you've already got a show all set. You're good. I am exporting. Yeah, it was just uh Audacity uh, if you ever change anything with the output device while audacity is running it can't It can't recover. Oh, right. And so I just had to close it and reopen it. It wasn't a big deal I hate that it is annoying free and I shouldn't complain but Still hate it Uh, no the non corporeal cannot be body shamed, but they can be intellectually shamed or perhaps Uh, it might make the whole trolling thing worse actually potentially You know dark redeemer has an interesting uh propositionary sake. Uh, many people have solved idiocy over the years We just keep creating bigger idiots Yeah, maybe maybe our idiots are not as idiotic as the previous generation But they they have to work harder to be idiots. What if what if we're just looking at it all wrong What if the idiots really do serve a purpose in society? And we just we're not seeing it because we're too close to it Like if we step back I think that they do they serve they serve as a they serve as all sorts of great examples of Of what I don't want to do Well, yes, and I think the problem is they're over amplified It's one thing when a village has an idiot that everyone can agree That's the village idiot. There's only one of them But then when you have the internet suddenly every village idiot in the world can all talk at once to you And so you've got thousands of village idiots speaking to you at once multiple different voices so basically idiots are exponentially increased in Idiotcy with the internet if it's exponential or not. I haven't done the math But yeah, the spirit of your remark is true. Yeah, maybe it's logarithmically. I don't know. I don't want to put a label But just everyone has the same voice now. So you can't Well, no, it's that thing where like there was one person that hated you in a town It was easy to avoid that person when you're online And there's Millions of towns each with one person that hates you It's harder to avoid them because there's so much more of them So what you're saying is the downside of the global village is just the global idiots It's it's the scale, right? It's the same problem with spam. It's the access all of a sudden Low percentage numbers can have high percentage effects Right. Yeah The whole thing depresses me some days and other days Yeah, it's depressing because you if you feel like everyone's against me when you get piled on Right, but the fact of the matter is even with like dozens of people piling on you on youtube comments or wherever it is That's still an incredibly small percentage of the world It's just most people aren't saying anything and and there's this other effect of people who would say something nice See a bunch of negative comments and just don't post because they don't want to get into an argument, right? some people Wasn't there that one guy who was arrested? like he was like, uh Turned out that he was like a super internet troll, but he he was like different think different people in different ways It's sometimes he persona. Yeah, and sometimes he was like very progressive and other times he would be very, uh, Right-wing reactionary like is like he was all those things But really his his base desire was just a listen reaction and so he was the troll The troll Yeah, and some people just like to get a response some people like to watch the world Yeah, they just want to yeah, exactly That's what batman taught me or the joker taught me I think very few people are the joker who really taught us that though. That was um, yeah, he's a pretty shrewd guy for being clinically insane The joker will be the coach Of this year's arkham angels in the fsl. Oh, nice Oh, look at that. Really? Yeah. I actually now that I say that The coacher is the owner. He might be owner I was excited for you season of that. I guess. No, he's the owner. Uh, the coach will be edward nigma You might know better as riddler Here's a riddle take the ball up the left One of the problems with their strategy is when they yeah when they meet with the coach He just gives them riddles that they have to solve to figure out what their game plan should be So, why don't you just tell me why don't you give me a straight answer? I love that idea Uh captain dr. Pamela lily and isley big big main, uh, dr. Harleen francis quinzel salina kyle on offense vira clopus on defense julian greggory day at utility and dr. Jervis tetch on the bench It's gonna be a good season. Wow For the arkham angels at fsl tonight.com I believe in them Have you anybody reading dark knight three? Or not that are part of the frank miller's Oh, no, I haven't I heard I did not like two at all two sucked two really sucked It was just it was rambly and didn't really wasn't coherent. This third one is very Very miller asked like it goes back to very simple straightforward story That's cool. Like it's fun to read That's the thing is comics aren't as fun to read anymore No, they Well, it depends on the comic You know, let me just say most marvel dc comics for me have been very tedious to read Yeah, within the past. I've been a lot more indie. I've been reading more valiant comics Valiant I'm surprised. I was I picked up, uh, what's the one that that came out like a couple years ago? Um divinity. Oh divinity is great. I was like wow, I remember valiant being kind of Like also a lot over the place Back in the 90s and that's like wow, this is actually real put together. They have uh Something like 30 of this year's eisner awards are valiant comics. Uh nominees. It's crazy. I like kicking butt They don't have to tell a story and I think that's that's unfortunately That's the key the key and a lot of people are more into like, well, how can I franchise this into a movie tv Adaption merchandising something there is definitely that problem for sure merchandising That's both the schwarze. No merchandising is schwarze be with you Luna crispy I haven't seen that movie in a while we watched it for film sack, but it feels like forever It sounds like such a dirty name, but it's not no it's perfect in that way It sounds like dirty, but it's not It's part of the era jingle now The only thing I read from dc now was I should say was the green lantern oblivion I like their ensemble pieces and this is the thing about Superhero comics generally is I like them to take place from into a far distant universe or alien landscape Because the more they try to make it Seem like it's contemporary society It just gets a little tedious because then you start like well, that's not as believable at all because no one's going to react like that As opposed to oh look, you know the bird people of whatever planet are being angry at us We better send the green lanterns. It's a little more suspension of disbelief The bird people of whatever planet is my favorite original star trek series storyline Well bird people reptilian people were the other oh insect people. Those are the three main alien People of whatever planet Like fake it by the phantagarians they're bird people The she are in marvel comics. They're bird people Princess from voltron She's not a bird person. She was pretty hot. She was a hottie. It's got the Do you watch any of the did we talk about this last week? I watched the first two and I have to say as much of a voltron fan as I was as a kid I'm just not sucked in and brian is Part of it is he's watching it with his daughter. So I think that just makes it more awesome That's what I did to I I watched with my daughter and I also was not in caps not grossed into it The daughter is quite a bit younger than true and bryant's daughter. It's true Perhaps I could savor the agony of watching that show I wanted to really like it and it's just I don't know what it is Well, yeah, same here It might be like if they do a second season like things get better like I don't know There's just the stories just aren't very interesting to me Like I don't I don't care shoot the lion shoot voltron Blow up the castle build a build a suburb. Okay. I'm not that angry strip mall I'm not nearly that angry it turns out welcome to voltron square a westfield center In this in the leg of the mall you'll find the wetzel's pretzels Give me these robot lions together form a larger robot. Awesome You know when you're a kid, that's all that mattered. Yeah Yeah, maybe that's part of it too. I I'm more of a battle of the planet's fan than voltron But I liked them both So that all the planets was cool But I didn't realize until I'm older now how incredibly because I when I read the the original The japanese comics that they translate they were still black and white Right, there was no color. It's not until you watch the cartoon and and like the uncensored sandy the unsandy frank Version which was censored. Uh, how incredibly violent that show is this bloody. It's yeah, it's awesome. It's great Yeah, I totally was but I loved it. All right. Thanks everybody for watching. Uh, thanks again to patrick beija for hosting yesterday Thanks to erin karson for guesting. Thanks to roger chang for producing Uh without me yesterday, you know, we'll all be back tomorrow except for patrick and erin and scott Yeah