 Adam does movies live, it's Tuesday, the weekend's behind it. Lee, thanks for asking. I had my buddy, Derek, come up from Minnesota. He hung out with me in South Carolina. I got to lay the land, showed him around. Just a nice weekend. We ended up going to a movie last second, a new Coen brother film. What was the name of that? I already wrote it down, so I would remember. Oh yeah, Drive Away Dolls. What a gem. It may honestly have been worse to sit through than Madam Webb, because at least Madam Webb was fun to make fun of, whereas iPhone Drive Away Dolls would just be atrocious. I have a review I posted, I think, yesterday on the channel. So did the stream just break? Did something break all of a sudden? What just happened? OK, I'm using my iPhone 15. It has this cool new feature where you can use it as a camera on the computer. It does the blur effect and everything. I don't know if that's what just happened. Dear gods, I hope it doesn't happen again. If it does, it's just shot out of a cannon today. All right, I'm not going to get in any more preamble since now I'm scared out of my mind. I'm going to bring on my buddy here. I met him at Megacon with Sean Chandler, Cody Leach. They invited me up there, and I met a few awesome people, one of which was Chris from Film Stock. Christopher, can I call you that for this one time? You can do it. How's it going, man? Good to be on here. We did meet at Megacon. We had a nice rapport, and it's good to be back together, on screen together this time. What just happened when I left? Did the stream continue to function without me? It just went to a blue screen. I couldn't hear anything for like 20 seconds. The beta was there. There was just no one on screen. Yeah, I just completely, I ghosted out. That's crazy. OK, well, we're here for now. And if I leave again, Chris will just awkwardly be running things for the time being. Hey, that's happened a few times on my stream. Every time I have a guest on, I get booted out, and they're just running the stream for a minute. So I can take the reins if I need to. Interesting. That's the first time it's ever happened out of dozens and dozens of streams. But whatever. Sean heard his name, he's in the chat, they see. Typically, I don't address what I consider the underlings on the chat unless it's a super chat, because that's the name of the game on these live streams. Super chats of the lifeblood of the channel. They were in 2023. I'm imagining they're going to be in 2024. But the topic of today is Rotten Tomatoes. You may be familiar with it, Chris. I think that that was your suggestion, actually, was we talk about this full fiasco going on. Yeah, I have a lot of words. It mainly stems from just social media response to early Rotten Tomatoes scores and how people who haven't seen the movie yet, like general audiences, immediately align with one point of view, like for example, with Matt and Webb or Dune, two vastly different reactions. But people are like, oh, going to be the best movie ever. Oh, going to be the worst movie ever, but no one's actually seen it. It's just based on the tomato meter score, and it drives me crazy. Well, let's get to that. I have a couple of notes, a couple of things that kind of lead us on a journey through Rotten Tomatoes, a website and an app, I imagine, that launched back in August 12th of 1998. Chris, I don't even know where you were from. I was not on the planet yet. You weren't even born yet in 1998. No. That's amazing. Wow. Thanks for making me feel a lot of things right now. None of them are good. I tend to do that when I'm on these streams with some of you guys. But Rotten Tomatoes, did they come out like three years ago? No, no, it's been around for a while. So Rotten Tomatoes, let's just do a real quick. I imagine everybody watching this knows what it is. A website, it's an aggregate. It's a positive, negative score on a film. So a new movie comes out. It has a pool of critics, certified critics by a council of who the hell knows over there. Chris, are you a certified critic on Rotten Tomatoes? I am not. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. You're too young. You're too young. Guys like me that have been grinding it out, they finally said, Adam, fine. You can come in this. We have like literally no one left to pick from so you can come in. So I got in, I think a year or two back and I throw my two cents into the ring once in a while. But how it essentially works is a movie comes out, you either go on to Rotten Tomatoes and give it a fresh or a Rotten. Those are your only two options. Even though I would say nine times out of 10, when I go to a movie, I'm in the middle somewhere around like a 60% feeling on it. It's usually like a seat. It's never an A plus or an F, but that's how Rotten Tomatoes treats things. So if I put a movie as fresh, but I thought it was maybe just better than it was worse, Rotten Tomatoes just puts that in the pool of the good ones and says, okay, overall this movie is at 80% fresh. And that gives people a kind of bad impression of how things are actually playing out because if Dune II comes out, for instance, and it's sitting at 100% on Rotten Tomatoes, people are gonna say, oh my God, it must be the greatest film of all time. It's at 100%. But that just means people in the critic pool liked it more than they didn't. So they're pushing it positive. A B is still in that 100% category. No, yeah, exactly. I think I covered it. Do you have anything to add to that, Chris? I think it's interesting bouncing off that how a lot of people will see 87% Rotten Tomatoes and be like, oh, that means that its average score is like an 87 out of 100. Like that is, the movie is like an 8.7 out of 10. That's what it's called out of the test. Yeah, and so it's, I still don't think that everyone fully understands it, but regardless, I don't understand why it has so much power. Like it hit the day that the Tomato Meter reveal happens for a movie on Instagram is like the make or break day for a lot of people, whether they're even going to see a movie or not. And I get taking early critic reviews into account, but I don't know why, how it became this like end all be all for moviegoers. So, okay, what's your relationship with Rotten Tomatoes? Did you grow up with it, obviously? You've been a film fan, I imagine. I kind of jumped in, I apologize. I jumped in without really introducing you properly. I met you at Megacon, and that's it. But for my audience that doesn't know Chris, he has a YouTube channel called Film Stock, covers new movies, some older movies, does reviews, but his big thing is stranger things. Why don't you just give us like a 30 second spiel about what they can expect on the channel and why they should get you to 100,000 subscribers because you're like right there. This is true, I'm like 350 subscribers. If you're not subscribed, consider. I'm at the final countdown, but yeah, I started my channel in 2019, movie reviews, TV reviews, what everyone does in this space essentially. And then summer of 2022 when Stranger Things Season 4 came out, I covered that show and really got a spark with my channel. And so it's become sort of a mainstay of my channel. It's like a main pocket. I still do movie reviews, tier lists, all that stuff, but Stranger Things has definitely been the meat of my channel, I'd say over the past year and a half. So that's what you can expect. If you like stranger things, you can find me, it's not film-stocked, but movies and TVs, I give my two cents on those as well. What's your favorite season of Stranger Things? Season 4, the most recent one. Well, I mean, you lost all credibility already, so guys, don't bother subscribing. Don't even bother, yeah, I'm joking. Right, yeah, that's fair. Okay, so you're, I assume, super pumped for the final half of the update. Over the moon, excited. Like that's become my most anticipated media ever. Like it's force-awakens level for me. Wow, is that this year, does it come out? Next year, likely. Yeah, they're filming it right now, which I know is a bummer, but I think it'll be worth it. A little bit, I imagine, hurt it a little bit, maybe. And then strikes too, that kind of stuff. Oh, that's right, yeah, that was big. Okay, well, 2025, it's gonna happen. Yeah, 2025's big slate. So back to the actual conversation since they took us on a journey completely south. You grew up with movies, you love movies. Did you go to Rotten Tomatoes when you were younger or today, do you look at it for any sort of value? I'm always just curious to see, but honestly, if I don't get the chance to see a movie early that I'm really excited for, I'll try and avoid the Rotten Tomatoes score. Growing up though, I mean, when I was in high school, 2014, 15, 16, like Rotten Tomatoes was still the talk of the town then, but it didn't have as much weight. I actually would go to certain movie viewers and get their two cents, like a Chris Stuckman or a Jeremy Johns, like one of those types of guys back then. But no, Rotten Tomatoes has always been prevalent. There was also this other app. I forget the name of it. It started with an F. Flickster? Flickster, that's what it was. And it had like a popcorn bucket, do you remember that? That's Rotten Tomatoes. Oh, is it really? Yeah, so it was so weird. I don't know if it was always that way, but at some point they went with a mobile app and the mobile version of Rotten Tomatoes was Flickster. Well, then I used to be on Rotten Tomatoes all the time. How about that? That was the app that I love to scroll through. It was really confusing. I don't know if Flickster was like a separate thing and Rotten Tomatoes came in and bought it and they didn't want to like go through the whole rebrand or people can Google, Google works, but yeah. Flickster, Rotten Tomatoes, the same thing. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I was, I mean, kind of in the same boat as you, but mainly because Rotten Tomatoes wasn't a thing for me until, I want to say late middle school, early high school somewhere along the lines, it kind of started becoming a thing. And I would check it once in a while and I really enjoyed it because there was not a lot of critics on Rotten Tomatoes. You had maybe a couple dozen. And so their weight was pretty heavy. These were like the top dogs, the Ropers and the Roger Moors and the Eberts. These guys, these were respected film critics, not me on Rotten Tomatoes at the time. Okay. And so yeah, and I would say I lined up with Rotten Tomatoes probably 90% of the time. I was kind of a snotty asshole too. The only times I never agreed were comedies. And it's still that way, I think. I feel like Rotten Tomatoes and comedies just do not mix at all. I don't know if it's just because it's so subjective or there's that level of kind of like, uppettiness with critics and they don't want to admit if a movie's funny so that means it's good or whatever. I don't know. The same thing kind of applies to the horror genre I've noticed as well. And that ties into the whole like Academy Awards thing. I don't know if we want to get into that but the way they vote for certain movies like the horror and comedies are usually left out of the conversation. But it's kind of because those movies are almost below them in a sense. It seems like, yeah, I agree. Horror often gets snubbed. I think superhero movies got snubbed for a long time. Comedies definitely gets snubbed. Dark Knight I think was one of the very few that was even in the conversation. But yeah, it's far and few. What I think to your point earlier when you said it seems more prevalent in the last couple of years that Rotten Tomatoes is gaining some power on social media is because social media has gained so much more power in the last couple of years. And this has given rise to the infamous influencer, the person that's not actually a critic, not actually specialized in movie knowledge or anything. They're just a person that is often paid to be part of a fandom. They'll go to events, they'll get wine and dined and they build a brand basically, they don't even need to get paid for it but they build a brand essentially around being a sycophant or they're a bot. I've noticed a lot of that and we can get to that in a sec but there's legitimate bots that are created, fake accounts that will do nothing but for months be propagating this like bullshit of excitement about a film coming out. Have you noticed that? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people that you'll come across on social media where I've seen your videos and different rants about it where they'll preface the reviews with kind words essentially and basically walk on eggshells when they're talking about the movie. That there has been a rise in that but I think of all the social media, TikTok is the one that's really blown up and that's where that sort of influencer section has grown out because it's a weird fine line for me like because I do have TikTok, I have Instagram, YouTube and I make content, I have an audience and so it's like I talk about movies and TV shows but I don't view myself as some of the other influencer people who are out there just to try and get famous off of it, you know what I'm saying? And so I've also had interactions with people who I know are in it for the wrong reasons and that's disheartening. Name all of them right now. Name them. Let me tell you about everyone I know and why they suck at this. Oh man. Yeah, so one of the more egregious ones that came up was Blue Beetle. I remember a bunch of accounts on the artists formerly known as Twitter X. They would be coming out in nowhere and they'd be like, Blue Beetle's gonna be the greatest superhero movie. You haven't seen anything like Blue Beetle before. It's got representation of this culture and they really play into these kind of like samish conversational points. I feel like they were given like a box to check mark what things they need to throw out there because I hate myself and have, I guess all the time in the world, I would kind of deep dive into these tweets, these characters that were coming out because oftentimes Blue Beetle would be their icon image and it would be somewhere in the name like Blue Beetle fan 29. And I would go to the account and it would only have a few months worth of tweets and they're almost all related to Blue Beetle. So I don't know what's going on there if there's a consultant. Blue Beetle Battalion is what they were calling themselves. Is that what it is? I saw a trend, the movement, the Blue Beetle Battalion, I wanna say, yeah. Right, and do you believe for a second that was a real movement or do you think that that was some bullshit and not getting anything that- Absolutely absurd, no. Because I thought I was the minority when I said this, but I didn't really care for that movie at all. But people were trying to call me crazy when I dropped my early review of it and I was like, what? It's not adding up here, but that's just me. It was really lame. It was an incredibly mediocre film, but yeah, I'm in the same boat. We're not part of the battalion. I can tell you that much right now. The same thing happened just recently with Madam Webb before the movie hit. These sad Madam Webb stan accounts were coming out and it was just months of Madam Webb. And I straight up called someone out on it, which I usually don't do because I don't care. It's all fake nonsense, but I retweeted something the guy said about how people are sleeping on Madam Webb. The acting's amazing. The effects are top notch. Everything that was completely bullshit. I'm like, yes, we should definitely listen to Madam Webb, true fan, 29, 29. This is definitely an unbiased real account. And the guy responded back or girl or whatever it is with just a bunch of laughing smiley faces. And that was the end of that conversation. All right then. Yeah. That's kind of the response I would have to that. Because if you know you're shamelessly doing something for all the wrong reasons, all you can do is kind of laugh at it and grab your check or whatever it is that you do for whatever reason you do it. Okay. Let's see. I actually have a fun story, but do you have anything else you wanna add to this little topic about social media and how they're using Rotten Tomatoes? It's less so about that. It's kind of just in the whole scope of reviews and early reviews. When you obviously seen films early, I've seen films early for review purposes. And whenever you drop a review, it's funny just how people will tell you you're wrong when they haven't seen the movie. You're wrong, here's why it's great. It's like, I'm one of the few people in the world who doesn't think Dune Part Two is the greatest thing since Life's Bread or the second coming of Christ. I like the movie. I think it's- I haven't seen it so I don't think- No, fair, fair. I'm very much in the minority. I enjoy the movie overall, but I honestly voiced some critiques I had and people are just, it's funny how people are just so quick to try and judge someone's character just because of their opinion on a movie. And the best part is a lot of them haven't even seen the movie. Most of them probably haven't seen it and they're just like, how dare you? You're wrong. Exactly. And then they're like, you're just an idiot. You don't know enough about the lore, study. It's like all of these different things. I- That's been a big one. The last few years I've heard lore more in two years than I heard my entire existence growing up. You don't understand the lore of Sonic the Hedgehog. Didn't you hear what you just said? That's just sad. Truly is. And yeah, that's something that frustrates me and I think it's sort of coincides with Rotten Tomatoes' culture. Well, the Rotten Tomatoes score is 97%. So you're a moron for not absolutely praising a movie. Yeah, that's kind of the case. And if a movie's rotten and you're more on the positive side, you're an idiot as well. So there's just no winning. You can't please everybody. I don't do this to police people though. And that's the thing. I'm always like, I gotta be honest in this review. And it hurts me to say this because I wanted to love this movie, but here's why. And it's all you can do. Yeah, I think people that go to movies, I mean, at least people that are self-described movie fans and movie critics or just movie lovers in general, don't typically like forking over harder money to go to a movie to hate it. I mean, once in a while you'll get that inclination. Like going to Madam Web, I was pretty confident it was gonna be hot trash. And I would have fun destroying the film if it in fact turned out that way. But there's always that part of you that's like, all right, I'm putting down $15 or whatever it is at your theater. I really don't wanna sit there for two hours and be miserable. I'd rather this movie actually impresses me and wows me. So then to go put an honest review out there and have a bunch of unknown people go, you're wrong, you're lying. You're doing it for clicks, reviews or whatever. Well, I can give you a real world example, Chris. I'm not sure if you're familiar with a film called Godzilla minus one. I am, I think I might have heard. I think I just wanna hear what you have to say about this. Cinematic masterpiece. I imagine you thought it was the greatest thing ever like a lot of other people did that hadn't seen it at the time. Thoroughly enjoyed the film, but I'm ready to hear what you have to say. Well, I thoroughly did it, Chris. We have to end the stream right now. How can we have a conversation? Okay, stranger things. He's wrong, I'm wrong. This is a terrible relationship already. I never get early access to movies. I'm in the middle of nowhere'sville, South Carolina, I have one regal theater that sucks and it's 25 minutes from me. It's not a good situation out here. I don't know why I moved here to begin with. But my buddy Matt met me at the regal. There was a sneak showing of Godzilla minus one, a special showing a week before the movie hits mainstream audiences. So I'm like, hey, let's go to the movie. It actually looks really freaking good. I'm not a big Godzilla fan. I've seen all the American ones, haven't been really impressed by them. I've seen some of the old ones. I found them to be just too old and schlocky and whatever. It's a giant lizard blowing stuff up. Cool, great. But this movie genuinely looked fantastic. It looked like it took what the American Godzilla was doing visually and it maybe married it with a good story and some compelling characters. And for a lot of people, that's exactly what it did. For me, not so much. I went with Matt. We were bored out of our minds. We found the characters acting to be very hammy and over the top, like an anime. Nothing really stuck as far as the emotion because it was so over the top. And I found all the Godzilla stuff to be super lame and kind of cheesy looking. But again, I know that that's what people love about it. I did it. So I love the theater. For some reason, kind of thinking that people agree with me all the time. So I approached the review, just shot out of a can and I'm like, I hated this movie. I have all these reasons why. And I was destroyed. I put my review on Rotten Tomatoes and even the Rotten Tomatoes snippets. You get like two sentences or a sentence. I said, visually stunning. I gave like a couple of pros and cons in that because it's not a terrible film. I just, I didn't have fun with it. And I gave a negative score. Well, at the time, it only had eight or nine scores total on there and I was the first Rotten score. Big deal, right? These movies get hundreds of scores. Well, apparently it was the biggest fucking deal in the world because that score would remain there for days, maybe even a week, just eating at Godzilla fans, which news to me, there's a freaking million of them, like a lot of them. And they're very, very vocal. So yeah, I was needless to say, put in my place pretty soon after that review went out, I had thousands of tweets and retweets and hate comments. Someone actually sent me photos of their literal shit that they took in the toilet, put it across all my Instagrams, obviously tons of threats, telling me to take down my score. I ruined the precious 100% score on Rotten Tomatoes. How dare you? They're gonna contact Rotten Tomatoes, get my critical license both. Like that's the thing that exists. I just, I picture Seinfeld, he gets the postal badge ripped off of his jacket because he's no longer able to do the job. But yeah, that was a 48 hour whirlwind that honestly, it went from amusing to like, wow, this is wild to kind of freaking depressing, where you're just constantly told over and over again, you suck, you're awful, you're an idiot, kill yourself, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, it just weighs on you, even if you have a thicker skin, it can kind of be like, oh, let's refresh the page and see, you know, just the endless stream of hate. What the takeaway is there though, Godzilla or Rotten Tomatoes has so much power for some of these social media channels. There was eight reviews. Did they really think it was gonna stay at 100% forever? There's always gonna be people that don't like something. It's, I think it's, I don't know, is it possible? There's maybe 20, 20 movies on Rotten Tomatoes that have 100%, maybe more. I think Paddington too is one of them. And I haven't seen that. And it probably doesn't have thousands of reviews, you know, it probably has a couple hundred. The more you get, the more likely it is to drop. That's how the games played. But yeah, to have less than 10 reviews and people lose their shit is just comical. And that's never pointed out once during this whole fiasco, there's only seven or eight reviews. You know, it's just this guy ruined it. No, yeah, and people put so much value on the Rotten Tomatoes score. It's almost like if you just, why can't these people just go watch the movie for themselves and form their own opinion? I've seen, you know, on Twitter, people talk about X, I should say, people talk about how, oh, will I only care about high ratings when it validates me or when it is for something I like, when Dune Part Two has a 4.5 on Letterbox average rating and this star rating on IMDB and this Rotten Tomatoes score. I don't really care about that because it helps me out because I love the movie. It's like, I don't know why we put value on these numbers. People just go see the movie and form your opinion. I just don't understand. It's sick in me actually. Again, it kind of goes back to just the influencer mindset and the sycophantic cults that people have formed online where they've basically made their entire presence on the internet, I'm a Godzilla dude. Don't screw with me or my crew or we're gonna come after you. And that's exactly what they did. They had these giant mobs of fans from these YouTube channels, other ones go, we're going after Adam now. This is the guy for the next couple of days and then we'll move on to the next person that we're gonna target. It's pathetic and embarrassing and all the things that you can think of all at once. And again, because of why? Because I gave like a really lukewarm criticism on Rotten Tomatoes of a film they liked but hadn't seen. But hadn't seen. That's the kicker right there. They hadn't seen it and had no real opinion to form. They were just getting mad because of their sort of preconceived notions and built up hype for a movie they hadn't seen. And that's what irritates me the most more than anything right now. With Dune is because I don't, I'm very much a minority, I liked it but I had some issues. And so I talk about that in my review and people just attack you even though you're overall positive on something you just don't come out phrasing it. And then I see this as well. I think there's like this herd mentality or sheet mentality where that Rotten Tomatoes score drops and hundreds of people automatically create their opinion in that moment. They see a 97% they go, no way this movie's gonna be bad and they go in and they hype themselves up it's gonna be the greatest thing ever. They watch it. Same thing on the opposite end of the spectrum with Madden Webb. I think that movie stinks, right? And we all have our reasons for why but it comes out with the 20 something percent and people are more inclined now to go in and crap on it and point out things that might not be as bad as they were and I just hate that. And I wish that we could get rid of Rotten Tomatoes like in a way like just the culture surrounding it not Rotten Tomatoes, I think it is a useful tool at times but I don't like the culture surrounding Rotten Tomatoes is what I'm trying to say. Well, it should almost be a requirement that the score isn't even released until it hits a threshold, you know releasing a Rotten Tomatoes score with five reviews it seems almost it's, I mean it is disingenuous because then what happens and I've seen this, I'm sure you've seen it the studio then splats that on their video their image for the day. Madden Webb's at 85% on Rotten Tomatoes there's one score in so far and studios will intentionally play this game where they will only invite people that are in their little you know their little pocket of reviewers they know are gonna be positive to a film like this. So they're gonna have an early screener that goes out to A, B and C and they're purposely gonna avoid D, E and you know whatever comes after in the alphabet I forgot because I'm illiterate but those people are gonna give it a fresh review and then bam, they can put 100% on their video that they probably already had created ahead of time because they knew where this was gonna go they don't tell you there's eight reviews on there they just say 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. You've probably had this happen, I've had it happen where you take pause for a second when something's doing so well because then you're like, oh shit am I really gonna be the guy that's like, you know what I didn't really like this movie. Can you think of anything recently or has it happened to you where you see a score that's really high and you completely disagreed and put out a review that was the contrary? I mean, it's seemingly doomed part two like I'm one of the few people I know I saw the movie with Cody Leach who was also a mega con and he also was positive on the film but me and him were discussing like some things we wish went differently and then we go on social media that night and see the copy-paste tweets, masterpiece, greatest thing ever which we could get into that later the whole Twitter people's feuding trying to create a four line just, you know, grab your attention pretty much, you know what I'm talking about. The hyperbole of it's the two or day fours it's a masterpiece, it's the greatest film ever created ever. I actually read the Dune because I wasn't special like you or Cody to see the film ahead of time I'm joking, I did a live stream last week where I read the early reactions to Dune too and it was almost just color in the book, masterpiece it's the greatest film ever it's, you know, he's created his swan song two or day fours, it's just so boring when they all say- I'm numb to that at this point and I know that a lot of people do agree with those sentiments about Dune but every big movie that comes out I adore Oppenheimer, it's my favorite last year but those same tweets are being said about Oppenheimer they're being said about The Flash being the greatest superhero film since The Dark Knight maybe better than The Dark Knight it's the best DC film in age is all these things and I don't understand why everything has to be the best blank, the best- Well yeah, especially in regards to Oppenheimer when Christopher Nolan's got Inception, Interstellar and Prestige sitting over there which I would say are far better films than Oppenheimer but to each their own No, yeah, for sure so I don't get why everything just has to be the best and I think it all circles back to the social media hype train which kind of is rooted in Spider-Man No Way Home in a way, in my opinion Well, that brings up, not a pivot but kind of like a side conversation with this whole thing where critics or channels, outlets, bloggers, whatever they want their snippet to be somewhere prominently featured and they know the best way to do that is to give this larger than life exclamation about a film this was the greatest thing since my child's birth and they know that pull quote might be used in a trailer it might be used on the box art it might be used anywhere that can bring a little bit of attention to that person or it'll just give them a little bit of I guess, you know, notice on social media like look what this guy said, it's wild Yeah, maybe gain some followers get retweeted by someone who worked on the movie I honestly don't really tweet much I go see movies and I just don't really tweet about it I rarely tweet I use Twitter as like a news source more than anything to like see what's going on in the world of behind the scenes casting for movies and stuff like that I just don't put my initial thoughts out there on Twitter because people could interpret it 100 different ways and it could end up here or there and I just don't, I want to like marinate a little bit more at least just make a quick out of theater video talking it out where I can have some emotion behind it as opposed to just blank words on a screen Yeah, I think the biggest one that hit me a couple of years back was and we brought this up a mega kind of one point another barbarian, did you ever see barbarian? I did not, I didn't see that one Well, according to I'm familiar with what it is though According to the internet it's one of the greatest horror films ever created to be fair, I know people, Cody for instance really loved, uh, Barbenheimer Barbenheimer, yes, bring it back Yeah, subscribe for Barbenheimer really loved Barbarian and I fucking hated that film but the reviews coming out of whatever thing it was at it was some sort of festival that people attended and that was the movie everyone was raving about Barbarian's the movie to see folks it's amazing, it throws you for loops it looks fantastic, new director it's the greatest thing and I was pumped, I heard that I fell for it, I went with my buddy Bless I went with my wife who never goes out to the theater because it's miserable for her now and we hated this experience we were so pissed watching this movie and we did like double ticked with each other this is the movie they're talking about this is the movie everyone's praising and so I put out a review I was pissed, I was mad and lo and behold thousands, tens of thousands of people came over to the video, no, not in the way you think people that watched Barbarian and were in the same boat as me Okay, I was about to laugh because I was like you're Godzilla-1 and now this Only two times have I been really attacked on social media or on YouTube one was Godzilla-1 and the other was the sound of freedom That was a whole other amazing set of people No, there was a lot of people that felt the same way I did but they could not find anyone who was upset with this movie online at the time because either A, they didn't want to put out a negative review of a film that's apparently being heralded as the greatest horror film in the 21st century or B, they just kept their mouth shut or agreed and thought it was really good or they're just getting in line I don't know, I don't care I just try to put out honest reviews at the end of the day and try to avoid the noise but it seeps into everything to your point, it's almost impossible Yeah, like as many positive comments as you get oh, I love the honesty here I can tell you're being genuine I agree, I disagree respectfully those comments are all sweet but then it is like no matter how hard to try you see the one where it's like screw you, you moron and it's like you said earlier no matter how tough you are like it can just mess with you ever so slightly even if you don't intend for it to and that's why I've tried to recently just post my, when I do movie reviews specifically post them and just don't even read the comments which I hate to do because I like to have the communal aspect but if I know I'm controversial I'm like let's just see what happens come back a month later and look at the comments It's hard not to I go back and forth on it sometimes I'm like, all right I'm just gonna walk away from the comments let it turn into a dumpster fire whatever lately I've been engaged with it I just try to avoid responding to the negative comments just let them sit let them be because 90% of the time they're not gonna see the light or agree with you or whatever and that's fine let them air their grievance and be done with it I figure if I air mine they should be able to air theirs the difference is I don't like a name called the director or tell the actors in the film to die that might be the subtleties between the two types of criticism going on have you had any reviews any movies that stand out as the one that you got hit the hardest with? I would say it was a rabid fan base it was Transformers Rise of the Beast I think something must have happened where like Transformers accounts came after me because I hated that movie and I really trashed it I did, I just trashed it and so people were like you know, the same things threats screw you well you like this so how can we take you seriously all these things and I just like stopped reading the comments after a while but you know people were it was one of those early screenings where it was like the press section and then general audiences people who get to go for free and people were like screaming at the top of their lungs in the movie I was just like looking around I was like bubble bee this is clearly not for me people were on their feet clapping Shia LaBeau's there are you yelling out bubble bee and so I was just like oh man and I walked out and they were like what'd you think and I was like I hated it and then I went and posted my review but yeah people came for my head for that one and I still get people in my live streams being like Transformers all summer Transformers Rise the Beast is amazing you're wrong and I see in the chat someone too Transformers Cult roll out it's true there's a cult surrounding them I swear still haven't forgiven you for what you did to Transformers Rise the Beast oh man a stupid movie I agree with it I saw it too and I was like what are we doing anymore where does this movie take place even at one point it was supposed to be a sequel to a Bumble Bee and a prequel to the Michael Bay movies and then it kind of like turned into something else and you didn't like the Anthony Ramos Iron Man suit-up scene the theater erupted for that oh my god you know what I do what all these movies have in common is Optimus gets his ass kicked every single time and he always comes out like a badass like what's up Sam we're gonna take up the Decepticons and it's like the first fight he just gets absolutely bodied and he's half dead Sam save yourself this is the good this is the leader borderline unwatchable that's how I feel about the most recent one and the human characters I don't remember any of their names they were so bland and interesting but in the main plot everything from the moment like the main villain walks out and he's like oh I'm going to I forget like I'm literally forgetting the movie but there's like a opening villain monologue and I was like here we go sure enough it was a disaster alright I got one final like little little thing here how might Rotten Tomatoes be utilized for the good is it Rotten Tomatoes that needs to change or is it maybe how we how we utilize it as a tool I think that it's a societal thing specifically because I do think it's a useful tool it's people putting their early reviews out there and you've got the audience score that comes into play later but I just I almost wish that people would it's tough to say not like learn what Rotten Tomatoes truly is but just put a little bit less of an emphasis on it online so so much because people like I said it's do or die with Rotten Tomatoes and people will be so excited for a movie but it will have a 50% Rotten Tomatoes to be like man I've seen comments go man I really wanted to like this movie and again you haven't seen the movie yet maybe like within Rotten Tomatoes that they could put more of an emphasis on like the aggregator part of it but even then I don't know what do you think? I think at this point where we're too late because studios are so married to Rotten Tomatoes and oftentimes within the first couple of weeks of a movie's release they show that Tomato Meter if it's a fresh of course otherwise they'll ignore it but it seems like there's always that's like the thing to achieve for them Barbies at 90% on Rotten Tomatoes Oppenheim is at 100% on Rotten Tomatoes people are loving this film and that just kind of breeds the culture even more to get on there right away or wait for those initial tweets to come out or those articles to come out to say two people love this movie it's at 100% so everybody else better stay online otherwise these fandoms are gonna come after them otherwise you know you might get canceled if you say something wrong within a certain group of individuals I personally like IMDb better for movie reviews it's a lot more subtle you can leave a one through 10 and then it gives you a one through 10 score even with points like it's a 1.7 or whatever those are more valuable to me because you can even sort the comments based on the stars they give I usually look for something in the four to six range a little bit more rational not many movies are a one or a 10 so when I see a one star that's kind of already discredited same with a 10 that to me is where we would hope that Rotten Tomatoes could somehow get but it's an easy thing to look at and say okay a fresher or a Rotten it's a binary thing right a zero or a one and nothing in between which is where things usually are yeah because the way it's set up right now it's almost like a pass fail type thing it's either a one or a 10 and so there needs to be some distinction there like you're saying I like that you know go to I don't know if they can't abandon a Rotten or a fresh thing to stale be a thing ripe maybe it's gonna be ripe yeah like different distinctions within instead of just Rotten or fresh yeah like a vine ripe off the vine and I don't even know what that means but we're going with it yeah I don't know I also think that I said it earlier I stand by it I think there needs to be a threshold before that number is even released because I think that does help breed a bit more honesty in the conversation maybe even hiding when you go to that video for other critics maybe that score is hidden and the number of critics that have even submitted and we hold on to that thing for like a week or two after the movie is released before that score comes out now they'll never do that because again Ron Tomatoes and the theaters or the studios they're very much in sync you know they have to appease each other they rely on each other but I think that would be a lot more valuable if I didn't know what Joe Schmoe over here was giving this film or this guy over there and or the whole pool of critics if I could just go in give my submission wait you know 48 hours or a week and then it's all it's all there no yeah like I almost wish that we could resort back to the bliss of childhood like when we were like 10 years old everyone no one cared about what a movie review like no one cared about an early score or what someone on the internet said about a movie and I kind of miss those days I wish that I'm not saying eradicate what we do but like I wish that they can hold it back until the movie comes out I know that's not the model that's sustainable right now because word of mouth is huge but I just I just wish that maybe people could get back to forming their own opinions and not being afraid to you know be on an island if they don't like something and just be honest online yeah let's do on that note if you guys have any questions for Chris or myself if you have any thoughts on run tomatoes how it could be improved why it's a raging dumpster fire in the in the current state I'm a critic on there so obviously something is amiss let me know is leave a super chat I have a few to go through so let's just take a look at what we have do you have any final notes before I go into this Chris or do you think you're pretty much bowed up I think I'm ready to go okay let's do what we get so Logan Wolf shot out of a cannon with a $22 super chat I'm late finally watching poor things it's a work of Effing art catch you next time Adam did you see poor things Chris I made it 40 minutes in and it just wasn't for me you didn't you didn't care it was too it was too crude I understand what they were going for but I was it just wasn't my cup of tea so I I couldn't finish it yet okay well thanks for coming on Chris oh man no I loved it but I even in my review said this is not going to be a movie for everyone it's very much kind of an art piece in a way it's experimental in a way it's weird as shit and I loved it but I get it I get the maybe not so much Daniel Fah thank you Logan by the way if I didn't say thank you thank you Daniel Fah gifted what would you do he became a member for two months on YouTube join there's a join button you can become a member and there's I think perks I'm not sure at this point or you can become a patreon and Adam does movies mega con buddies united like Godzilla and Kong isn't that nice did you like Godzilla V Kong not not a fan the only godzill movie I've ever liked my entire life is godzill I just won uh yeah which is just ironic but now I I yeah couldn't say I don't I don't care for that either I thought I liked Kong skull island I thought Kong skull island yeah solid yeah and I have you seen the Peter Jackson Kong that's on my list people have told me it's incredible so it's I mean I don't know if I'd say incredible but it's a great I I like it quite a bit yeah you've seen the Lord of the Rings movies right I have yes all right Peter Jackson yes let's see Daniel Fah's back for two dollars thank you Daniel Adam I rate you 100 out of 100 best hot takes that's amazing Daniel the thing is I don't really have a hot take I just have you know opinions that are factual Troy Mc Troy the cream McClure what what a username I think he changed his username it was Troy McClure before he added the cream in there for some reason five-dollar super chat uh Mario thumbnail or profile icon for some reason doesn't really go with the name but that's fair Oppenheimer okay cool barbarian was decent but like most movies since the 90s it needed more thrusting there you have it well I can't beat that well said the blind mask for five dollars thank you the blind mask with an eyepatch his profile icon what is that I have no idea what is that like snake pliskin eyepad yeah maybe a snake but I'm impressed you know that reference yeah I have to show that I still know movies before my time there you go there you go way of water drove me crazy I highly rated that movie was I wasn't excited to begin with but seeing the reviews convinced me to give it a chance yes blind mask one thousand times yes did you see way of the water avatar 2 I did and I saw it in like Dolby 3D early screening they tried to you know really get us all hyped up yeah yeah yeah I'm just not an avatar guy and I and I know that people come from my head for that but a lot of people also agree with me you either kind of love or hate it and I'm just like visuals out of this world we all understand that right but I just feel no connection to the characters when I watch it I thought way of water was a pretty much rehash of the first movie like they brought back the Stephen Lang is that his name the actor that villain and it was like his DNA and I was like a dumbass and then they were trying to extract the the mineral from the whale and I was like that's what they were trying to do with the trees in the first movie and I was just like it was ridiculous I just love that they spend an entire first film getting to know the culture of the Navi you know learning the ways really getting in with the tribe and then within 20 minutes of this film is like yeah we're fucking leaving we're gonna just these guys can just get napalm to death I don't really care we do a little ceremony and we're out of here what the logic was so ridiculous and the fact that the theory was like yeah cool let's do that let me abandon my family and the tree and everything was just hated that movie and we're getting a third one with fire and then I think one with earth and then it's just a last airbender which is so funny because it's avatar it can't be coincidental right there has to be some part of his some conscious that is has watched the last airbender series and he's like all right what do I do for the next avatar movie earth water fire yeah that's what I'll do that'll unique thing years from now we'll release the James Cameron that was like his master plan or something and some memoir he releases who knows but well and you know he copied he did like a trademark of avatar for the theater release so when the M. Night Shyamalan the last airbender came out they couldn't say avatar in there which is just fantastic which I remember that and that makes me I know you're a big avatar the last airbender I actually not the M. Night Shyamalan movie no yeah no I watched that original animated show like on Nickelodeon in the years that came out because it was one of the shows for me when I was a young lad back in the day haven't watched it since it ended so it's been years and years for me I enjoyed it back then but I barely remember it now it's been like I need to rewatch it it's been since 2008 I guess when it ended when I last saw an episode but they're making like an animated movie is that correct like an animated movie with the characters in the future I read something about that recently that's unrelated to like the live action stuff I think they have a couple things in the works there is going to be I don't know if it was a movie or a show but yeah there's going to be something with Aang and Katara and Saka when they're in their twenties they're more you know grown up and because there is a the last airbender there's Kora which came out long in the future and you get flashbacks of Aang and some of the crew when they're adults so this is going to be a new take when they're you know in their late teens early twenties okay I am excited for it as long as we got the original showrunner on there and the writers and stuff I think that that's going to be great I'm excited I am watching the live action show have you checked that out at all I haven't just because I feel like I would want to rewatch that original beforehand to get like the you know a new experience with that but I've seen outrage on social media it's kind of it's very divisive like most reboots or whatever the hell you want to remakes are um I've seen people crapping on every aspect of it I've seen people saying it's a fun time so yeah that that part is a little it's frustrating I get it I totally get the outrage I hate I'm not a fan of live action remakes of old properties especially ones that are really good like the whole standard that Disney set when they started redoing shot for shot little mermaid lion king you know every one of them under the sun has basically a live action remake or is going to get one Lilo and stitch now they're even going to do freaking Moana which isn't an old movie at all it's like what's the end game Disney what are you trying to tell with this version of the story because it's basically the same carbon copy but worse every time I was definitely not thrilled with the the news that avatar was going to get a tv series in the same vein as the original because it's the best animated show for me hands down I have been watching it and I was pleasantly surprised with the execution I like that it isn't straight up just the same show again obviously the plot points are the same same characters but they're telling like different perspectives they're going into different things that the show did and so from that aspect I thought okay this is actually not bad they clearly care and they put some time and effort into this and I appreciate that but then to go online and see people just ripping it to pieces just thoroughly it's a little bit of a bummer because again part of me kind of relates and I've definitely done that myself with things I don't like and another part of me thinks how much of this is actually genuine and how much of this is just people you know peacocking online for some likes no yeah I think that's again ties back into the whole social media conversation people will will inflate these negative reactions just because it's not exactly what they grew up with and recently happened with the Percy Jackson series like people were it was revisionist history people were saying those movies were amazing no one really ever said that when they originally came out and then the series comes out it's they didn't even finish them because it sucked exactly see if monsters is unwatching wow it's when when they played follow no was it follow it was fallout boy it was like it's like it's like the hell I've I've quoted that before in a live stream recently I was like that is just it's laughable and then and then I didn't want to get into that trash the live action or not live yeah live action the series I actually Disney plus thing yeah I enjoyed that one a lot more than the movies but people were like the movies were on TikTok specifically bashing anyone who liked the show which is a more faithful adaptation and people are like oh my god I can't stand this this and it's just like no one ever wins and and to your point earlier the how to train your dragon live action remake is a terrible idea in my mind yes yes terrible idea and they got the idea from Disney of course they would have done this unless they saw how well it was working for them for the most part yeah like I genuinely this past month binged the trilogy it's one that I just missed for whatever reason loved it and I and I sat there with me and my girlfriend the third film ended we were both tearing up this beautiful and I was like they're doing a live action remake there's no way in hell they can convey the emotion through an animated toothless and it's the same issue with The Lion King and I just I don't think it's going to work it's desperate cash grabby crap I mean I'm 100% with you The Lion King was such an insulting film in many ways and mainly because they did this national geographic approach where it was all just 4k visual with with none of the substance behind it and of course now we're getting a prequel which yeah I mean I saw that Lion King movie in theaters and I was excited because The Lion King is like it's my childhood it's a lot of people's and then the aspect ratio was a bit off on the screen like there was some a black bar coming down I didn't join my time at all and then on the way home from the movie someone ran into the back of my car at a light so I that's what I remember about I got rear-ended on the way home from the movie you went from watching a literal ball of shit get rolled down a hill by an ant to getting the shit kicked out of your car that is correct awesome what we had I think there was one or two more here at the end Liam I don't know how to say that by Nair by Neraz 799 Super Chat nailed the name would love to hear you both talk smack about David Zaslov and Warner Brothers thank you Liam I don't have smack talk to say about the guy I he's the you know he's the what the executive the main head honcho at Warner Brothers right now I imagine he's the one that's responsible for pulling the string or cutting a couple movies right is that what happened I think uh Coyote vs Acme and I know whatever and that uh Batgirl move that girl yeah yeah I think that's him do you have smack talk to say about him do you know I think it's it's disgraceful some of the decisions he's made but you know that I don't I don't have much to say I think that Warner Bros has been horribly run lately that's what I'll say I don't know if how he still lately I would say Warner Brothers been horribly run since 300 the rise of an empire since city two and then basically everything after that's been trashed the entire run of the DCU the DCU is the nightmare I don't know how in God's Green Earth you fuck up a Harry Potter franchise everybody up top should feel nothing but shame and embarrassments including J.K. Rowling for thinking hey let's take fantastic beasts and make that a thing that's going to be the ticket they aren't even finishing that property that is so bad and now they're going to do a TV series which again kind of to the how to train your dragon and everything else those movies are so good those Harry Potter movies are lightning in a freaking bottle it's the same reason they have an outright rebooted back to the future it's the same reason they have an outright rebooted Star Wars they just keep doing these like pretend new movies I don't know what they're thinking here and I'm bummed out that it's happening as for David Zaslaw I don't know how long he's been steering this ship shit show of a ship but yeah I don't like anything he's doing I don't know him personally so I'm not going to say anything bad about the guy I don't know I imagine it's pretty cut throat in business in business world where I don't live I just I don't agree with shelving movies or canceling movies and these people worked hard on this film even if it sucks I think it should probably see the light of day but I don't make those decisions and um that's probably for the best because I would probably make some pretty poor ones oh yeah yeah David Zaslaw if if gun fails with with you know DC I don't know what they're going to do but hopefully that all works out I mean did David Zaslaw hire James Gunn that I don't know because I might be like another head of DC I actually don't know how it all works but the name Walter Hamad I don't know I think he's gone but he used to be in charge of DC at Warner Bros. Navy something like that okay yeah because maybe Liam did one thing right we'll see Mr. Flickster for five dollars thank you Mr. Flickster fun fact James Cameron brought in indigenous people to see Avatar one it was their first movie he expected to amaze them they didn't like it interesting I don't know if this is a true fact that's that's pretty wild if that's the case wow my grandpa probably wouldn't like it either if I took him to a over three hour movie with a bunch of CG blue people running around and be like what the hell is this can I go back to Dunkirk again I like Dunkirk yikes if you guys have any more super chats throw them in now or forever hold your piece Chris what do you have going on in the channel where can people find you one more time yeah so you can find me on youtube tiktok instagram x formerly twitter at film stock to cross the board I do movie reviews rankings tier list also talk a lot of stranger things over there so if you're a fan of that show I cover it quite frequently but that's what I got going on on my channel I'm excited to get into March we've got a lot of big stuff coming out I I'm ready for that Ghostbusters movie because I liked Afterlife and I had a lot of fump that's I'm ready for Frozen Empire Afterlife you know not a fan I have a buddy Tony from Hack the Movies he and I are in agreement that Afterlife is not anything great have you tried watching to the second time I saw it the once in theaters I haven't revisited it's I will be doing so in March but I thoroughly enjoyed my time and I think I really like Finn Wolfhard obviously he's in Stranger Things and McKenna Grace I thought they did a nice job of sort of bringing in the old near the end and succeeded where I don't think the Star Wars sequels did it as well at least they were actually in the movie and then like that you like that Egon was a deadbeat dad and grandpa and kind of a didn't bother me too much out of an asshole it was I feel you you know it's kind of like what they did with Indy and Dyle Dustin exactly yeah I can't so one thing that always annoys me on these Afterlife Movies is they keep making Stay Pump Marshmallow Man a thing it doesn't make sense at all in the context of the films it only made sense in the original because that's what Venkman imagined you know that was the one thing you vision but now they just show up like their cute little gizmo gremlins or something like their their grogu from Star Wars Oh yeah by us to sell toys yeah to sell toys it just seems so disingenuous okay so we're gonna get you hopefully film stocked to that 100k and you can get your get your sweet ass YouTube silver play button something that I have get to achieve myself how does that work do you do know do you get like a notification I've heard you get an email and then it might take like a month or two for the button to actually arrive but you can like tell them what you want like I'm assuming I'm just gonna say film stocked but you can pick like what name you want and then they send it to you so hopefully that happens sooner rather than later trying to make the final push it's the final countdown but um yeah it was it was good to to hop on here man of course and you know what usually these live streams after the fact get a couple thousand views so people he doesn't need that many subscribers if even a fraction of you go over there let's get this man to 100,000 let's make it happen if any of your family if any of your friends join this stream today please subscribe to my channel I would appreciate it I talk movies every single week only movies nothing else it's a it's a good time it's a lot of fun I think we'll leave it there I don't have anything else like super exciting coming up outside of a Dune 2 review that I will because I'm a peasant like some of you will be seeing it on Thursday I'll probably have that review up Thursday night maybe Friday either way I'll have like an out of theater reaction video up and that'll be good and I did notice lastly in this live chat that I don't look at too often because I only want super chats it's all I care about in this world I did see Sean Chandler from Sean Chandler sucks popping off in the comments being kind of a troll Sean I see you okay we all see you I will get my revenge somehow some way maybe if you weren't a coward you invite me on to your channel sometime to do a live stream I've been on Cody's I haven't been on yours you've been on mine a couple times I'm throwing that out there and I will I will text you after this like 35 animated gifts because I'm not happy calling out like it's Creed 3 oh man that's exactly right all right Chris thank you very much man it was great talking to you don't be a stranger yeah thanks for having me on it was a blast all right thank you guys for watching and we will see you next time take care