 Give me a thumbs up another craps treasure that game was like crazy man. Yep People were sleeping on All right, we're live. Hey everyone. Welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast season 2 episode 60 60 All right Right everyone Well, we're back. Welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast season 2 Episode 60. Are you okay over there flam? I don't know what you mean Yeah, I don't know Well, that's why I'm asking you just show it up. I'm just like man Yeah, I'm having a great time. Listen. I'm very excited for endless ocean. So like We got plenty of time talking about endless ocean. Don't worry about it. All right, folks Today we have a lot to go over. I will be talking about the obvious Nintendo direct that happened the same day as this podcast We will also get into some, you know, some conversations around the Pokemon presents that was announced and scheduled for next week Any expectations hopes dreams or if we think it's gonna be a dud And then beyond that we also have all those. I don't know if you guys have heard There's been some rumors and reports and all this stuff flying around about switch to again This time being moved to a completely different calendar year. So that's fun Notice a calendar year. No matter when we talk about it later There's also other rumors associated to this including stuff on potential future directs and Even an indie world and maybe a new time frame for when to expect the Nintendo switch to to be shown We'll talk about all of that though That's that's one of our final topics actually is our final topic before we get to the Q&A as always if you guys Have any questions you want to submit $2 or up super chats and we will answer those questions during the Q&A feature throughout the show Etc. Etc. Etc. All right, we're gonna start a show the same way we do every single week going around the room introducing ourselves And what have we been playing lately and let's start with mr. My body is ready Thunder Steve Hey guys, what's up? My name is Steve obviously Super excited to be on tonight's show. I run my own YouTube channel Thunder Steve 85 gaming Where have you video games from all consoles both old and new? Been playing Nintendo pretty much on a daily basis since the late 1980s if you can believe that and I just absolutely love video games obviously But Nintendo's probably my favorite guys Over the weekend I just beat and posted my review of the new Mario vs. Donkey Kong and then earlier today I played the new Contra operation Galuga demo and just posted a video giving my impressions of the demo and Then what I'm gonna be playing I'm gonna see if I can get One or two more games reviewed Before Final Fantasy 7 rebirth on the 29th Because once that hits I'm gonna be full force on that But I'm thinking I'm gonna review Penny's big break and then something From my backlog because you know, it's always staring me down. That's right behind me So try digging into that a little bit Makes sense makes sense We are back on the show again I'm good. I'm good So yeah, I I've been playing I've been playing some games playing a lot of the Pokemon DLC. I finally got around to that It's me. It's it's better than the base game. I got that much to say about it But I mean, you know, it's still the typical frustrations. I always have a Pokemon I actually Repicked up Arceus out of nowhere I was trying to get some b-roll for a short I was making and I it just kind of like clicked with me again And I forgot how many like of the side quests and missions I hadn't done So I was like, oh, let's just play Arceus again Yeah, and other than that, I haven't been in very good Nintendo simp and playing Valorant So but yeah, most of it's just been twitch and you know, I've been running the Mario parties and drunk lethal company and stuff like that That's that's my Geez, but we're getting you we're slowly rolling YouTube stuff out too Awesome, man. Awesome. Yeah, Eric who wants more You will be able we'll get into this later. There's I'm changing my setup in a few weeks Come back come back in two weeks. Yeah, Eric will be gone from the next two episodes. I will Yay work Yeah, no, I Don't think I've played anything Yay, I was gonna play stuff tonight and then oh, no, sorry. I touched men for yeah, five seconds. Yes He yes. Oh dang it. I did it again. Yeah. Yeah, you did it again. Stop saying hi. Hi Don't you love motion cameras, there you go, I think yeah, maybe um, nope All right, Mike Who the hell are you? I've never seen you before What's up? I mean I'm new here. I'm So shy too. I don't know what to say. Yeah, you're putting on a spot here My name is Mike last name Odyssey I play Mario It's platoon. Well, no, never mind. I don't place with him I picked it up one time dropped it immediately and sold it for another game But anyway, no, I've been I've been playing Spider-man That's basically it. I'm the opposite of a Nintendo sit right now I'm geared towards because I've already played everything on switch already. So Waiting for somebody to come out today. We got something new stuff now. So I'm excited about that. So yeah Yeah, thank you name for having me on the podcast and stuff Yeah, no problem, dude. All right, Andres, what are you been playing lately? I'm currently playing Penny's big breakaway right now Wait, it's out. It's out. Yeah, it's right now while we're on the podcast Sure to you guys if you want I don't I haven't got it yet. Sure. Is it fun? It's awesome. Yeah. No, I'm having a good time I literally I could sure I mean has it like I don't know me. It's not gonna be YouTube videos So I guess we'll find out. We'll find out. Yeah, I'm actually curious, too. I've never tried a game stream through here Let's see I'm sharing in my OBS screen. So I have it. Yeah play through that. All right. Yeah It's oh, yeah hell, yeah Yeah, look at that wait. Oh my this game looks sick like it looks like a sonic You know like a sonic players dream Yeah, it's look Game that does sonic better than sonic Listen, you can't do song by the sonic. Honestly, it's too cold. It's too cold. Classy. You know, I mean, yeah You can't but you can't you know what I mean? Looks fun Man. Yeah, I want to go back. I guess I'll play later I want to get a secret over there. Oh, okay. Well, what didn't I mean it's a 3D platform Yeah, there's gonna be lots of hidden stuff and secrets and collectibles I just discovered you can actually move the camera a little bit with the d-pad. I thought it was with the d-pad Yeah, I mean, maybe you could change it in the options in the main menu, but yeah I mean, you don't really need it though because it's isometric, right? Yeah, it's like Kirby. We've got my yeah pretty much Yeah, that's a good. Yeah, that's a pretty good example Kirby but Gameplay wise it's kind of like a I feel like it's a combination of like Mario Odyssey and Sonic Sure. Okay, the best of both worlds. Mm-hmm. Is this liking at all? Or is it like actually like running pretty well? Just a little bit Not bad. Yeah, like it's you can still watch it. It's fine. Yeah. Yeah Get a taste of it. I think I know all right. All right. See that sonic stuff. Yeah, I saw that Yeah Pretty interesting pretty interesting. All right. Well, thanks for showing one of the games that popped up on the direct today Which we look at someone we already knew about it was announced in the past But we didn't know it's gonna be shadow drop today. Yeah, that was that was pretty pretty exciting So We ought to I guess get to me for a moment. I've been I'm almost done Been playing Ocarina of Time a lot of people know if you've been watching my vertical YouTube short streams I've been working on beating Ocarina time the last two weeks. We just finished the spirit temple So I have all the bed out technically I could like go to the end if I want But I might mess around with my next stream and do some side quests. There's some things we didn't do I didn't do any of the happy mask salesman side quests and any that stuff So I might mess around with side quest before I beat the game We'll see because I'm playing Majora's mask after and the thing is do I want to mess around a side quest here When I'm gonna have much better side quests the moment I start that game So it's kind of like I'm already gonna spend like most of this next play through literally do inside quests. So I Don't know. We'll see I'll make up my mind when I start the next stream if I'm gonna be to that time or not but You know the thing I'm reminded about I play an Ocarina of Time because it's my first time playing through it again in 12 years Wow Yeah, pretty much since the 3ds version came on I beat it once and then that was it Haven't played it since did you like this actually a better game? No Well, whatever I'm playing the n64 version though a lot of the same annoyance is that the 3ds version fixed is our back Like, you know, not being the quick change of boots and all that kind of stuff, but Honestly, I really enjoy the game like this is the game that got me into what eventually led to me being a youtuber It was our community of time. I've never not liked the game. So You know, people give me flack cuz it's not in my top 10s all the games You know how many damsel the games there are it's almost 20 of them Like not being in the top 10 is not a bad thing. It just means that's how damn good this franchise is There's so many damn good games that like you just it's not an insult to not be in the top 10 And I and I am reminded while playing it that as much as I really am enjoying it You know, it's one of those things that I think and I still think it through this day that people overinflated a little bit because of the time period It was epic when I was 12 today It's alright So like it's a little over its reputation a little overinflated because it wasn't important as a very important game when it came out But you know that so was Tetris and so was Pong and no one considers those like the best Oh, I just started watching the Tetris movie on Apple TV Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff I didn't know and I'm like this is kind of cool And then I looked up like hey, how much of this is true in terms of like oh, yeah, most of it I'm like, oh shit. This is awesome did the same thing after Because I'm always like, you know based on a true story. Yeah, but how based like yeah So I'm like cool cool me obviously they had to make up some a few things but that's life All right, so that being said we'll probably end up being at this week move it on a majority mask and I did download the Contra demo and the Yukon the overall the unicorn overlord demo Downloaded those when I haven't started them yet. I will probably just plow through those this upcoming week as well But I'm really excited for both of those and maybe pennies big breakaway. We'll see. Oh, no I get picked up in the next week here. I'm already pretty sold on the game, but I'm just waiting box. Yeah, I know and I'm just waiting for the reviews to come in and be like hey justify Like if it's anything 70 and up I'm picking it up. Mm-hmm. It's happening So I'm sure to sure based on what I've seen of the gameplay from others as well that like yeah, I'm this game It doesn't feel like this. I mean maybe call it a seven if you hate fun games, I guess Some people do some people do dude such I mean you're not wrong there All right So that being said that's kind of a great way to get into our first topic talking about some of those games that were in the direct because hey We had a Nintendo direct we finally had one our first one in 24 We did the whole bingo prediction episode like three weeks ago now. Here. We are we actually had a direct They called it a Nintendo direct. They didn't call the Nintendo mini although very much felt like a Nintendo mini how it was edited Yeah, it was put together The new intro nice new intro new graphics like that's kind of cool refreshing things. They're cool Like I actually really thought that was you know, they do this every once in a while every handful of years They refresh everything and obviously I feel I feel like the intent to refresh is we're heading into a new generation But you know what we'll get into that later but so the partner showcase and I look there's a lot of games I put the list That's probably isn't even all of them It was taking me so long to write the list down then like you know what I think this is good We can stop at some point But there was a lot of really great stuff in here and for me personally I actually thought it was a solid B. Maybe a B plus grade Because I look I go I went into the partner showcase, but we already had a little leaks from PRO and look He's just a goat. It is what it is You just trust the bird if he hints towards it. It's happening. It's not a leak or spoiler He Like he likes a post mentioning a game. It's in it. It just is what it is You know, he said oh Contra it'll get a demo. Oh got a demo Like oh, he even teased the endless ocean name Okay, even like a dolphin or something. Yeah, you know the dolphin thing, but then he did the luminous dolphins Yeah, he put up post it a jiff of it Nobody caught that that was the name until he's like hey by the way luminous dolphins and those ocean So I was getting bros got like sugar in him. I don't know. Yeah, I do He's Yeah, so as I'm reminded with another direct always trust the bird Never doubt if he says it because it hasn't been wrong. I don't know what else to say Like I mean, it's worth saying now to see if he gets it wrong then right because he doesn't get it, right? Like, you know, I think there's people legitimately watch the directs hoping that it's wrong, right? I just want one thing to be wrong. So you'd be like And he's and he's just never trust any rumors. They're all fake news. Yeah Yeah, but but he is streak is impeccable over the last year. He's now gotten like 30 plus things correct in a row It's insane. So And he doesn't just tease directs and 90 teases just things in tunnels gonna drop on Twitter. So, yeah I know some people though that some people before we get into the director itself. I do think that Leaks like like him kind of spoil things too much How do you guys feel about that because for my money normally he doesn't spoil like the biggest announcements But yeah, partner showcase where maybe you don't know if anything's This is the thing about puro that I like how he shares information But because he does it in a way that creates an anticipation rather than spoil something He doesn't give you the entire name or the entire something He'll give you a hint of something that kind of makes you think you see people in the chat kind of Guess what it is and it makes it I think it makes it more exciting for us to expect that next event Instead of just saying oh, yeah, this game in this game There's gonna be there or give you a list of games, you know He doesn't really spoil anything He just kind of gives you a hint of what is maybe keeps things realistic. Yeah, this is all the predictions Like it's like here's a realistic like this is what it's gonna be like, but I'm not gonna tell you everything Like he didn't tell us what epic mickey The entire thing but he did it. He just you know makes it makes it exciting So he did do a lot more this time than he has for prior directs, but there was a lot He's like eight games. Yeah, it was like nine total Was it not you could argue 10 if you count two Xbox games, but yeah after a point We didn't know we just knew Xbox we didn't know what yeah listen It's a lot better than how it is in the Pokemon community because you have two really awful leakers I mean like I don't mind leaks. I don't care But for people who like want to try and avoid that you have Sarah v. Net and you also have Centro leaks And they just straight up list it verbatim like I mean bullet point like this is what's happening and it's always right It's it's like always like on the money Yeah, yeah Centro leaks from what I understand doesn't necessarily I mean they may be they have sources But most of what they share is just reposting from other places. Yeah, they're pretty good at reposting from credible places But it's usually just reposting So they're not like the least trustworthy out of those if you were to trust either of them At least Centro leaks has like they're trying to go off of credible sources But yeah, usually but like when they find out info they just bullet point it and say this is what it is I do I did see that they started doing a thing where they made so you have to subscribe to see the actual like Leak post so that could make it, you know, that's a way of like censoring it So it's like, oh, you didn't want to see it You can scroll by without getting accidentally Yeah, and then also and then he makes money off of it or whoever Yeah, good it was fine because up you're always like you got stuck on the part of the is Microsoft a partner He's Xbox a partner, and I like we just look at t-shirt out of it Yeah, I'm genuinely surprised not to get Jordy jumping to the direct but like I'm genuinely surprised we didn't get jet set We got we got grounded. I think that's what it's called grounded, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's before we got jet set radio I was really genuine. How are they related? I just feel like because they're part of that Xbox like they're all Xbox properties And then I don't know jet set feels like the way more like into that's not Sega game Jet set radio. Oh am I thinking of the oh hi fire. Yeah, I'm thinking hi fire. Okay. Oh, all right See I see why I see why you mix those up. Yes. Yes. I'm in high-five rush. Sorry well according to Tom Henderson from insider gaming high-five rush is being sage or switch to current their sources Which you know that's fair I mentioned that when they got announced because the other two games for Xbox for those that have paying the attention Beyond the direct today was enough for PS5 see if these and if I rush for both announced for for PlayStation 5 today And people like well what's up with well? Why is this aren't these on switch especially high-five rush? And I'm like, you know if you actually paid attention high-five rush is only ever existed on Xbox series in PC Meaning it was made on more modern hardware. It's actually a more. Yeah, I really look into it But it's actually a more technically impressive game. It also requires a higher frame rate because it's rhythm-based. Yes So it's like so I it's like a lot of us think of the art style. We're like, oh that would yeah It would fit with the Nintendo ecosystem. You're right But also it was made with powerful machines. So like I I think that obviously and now we have Henderson yeah, see if these two now see if these kind of existed on Xbox. Yeah, but it can run better I guess it's the main point. I'm yeah, and a lot of updates to that game since yes It's probably good that it's on PS5 actually that might be a good place to play it I mean, I think both of those games are gonna end up on switch to eventually anyways It's just the things I hear and we'll save that for later. Yeah But to provide a little bit of a counter argument though Sure, you know before all this like rumor stuff led led up to the direct We had heard that in Australia high-five rush is rated for ps4 I think Xbox one I want to double-check that but definitely ps4 and switch and so those are you know prior-gen hardware, right? So they could be the case that there is a Prior-gen version and we did also see that data mine that had shirts It seemed to implicate sort of like a switch a version or maybe just a Sony version a Nintendo version and Microsoft so you know Nintendo would still be switched to right they still keep the red branding then still could be So, I don't know. I'm a little Maybe the PS5. It's probably a lot easier to so like if there's a Oh, yeah, it would be like they would take them time to do it Yeah, but if there's also a ps4 version in the works that may be that that's yeah Maybe the last gen in general like yeah, it would yeah, that's probably taking a whole you know development cycle to take care Yeah, so maybe we sit there this year or something. Yeah, who knows? Yeah Yeah, but they're like also also one thing that makes me smile when Tom Henderson's Put out there that hey, it's gonna be on switch shoe. I'm like cool Microsoft's got dev kits love it Yeah, that's all I'm thinking I love it Microsoft's got dev kits Phil Spencer. Come on put one of those smug things out there Where you accidentally say something you're not supposed to They don't accidentally reveal Banjo-Kazooie coming to switch to yeah They're making a brand new one We have a switch logo on an object in the background during the trailer anything I don't know if we know what it is. I think oh, maybe you guys heard something different But you know I something Banjo like there's actually like a modern Banjo-Kazooie project. It's in the works Phil Spencer is basically said almost said outright that it's it's a he's like really dance around it like wink wink It's that thing's gonna sell more on switch to that's gonna be a cell in Xbox. Oh, yeah Yeah, guaranteed yeah, and you then they're gonna make all the money X bars and make all the money from it Well, I mean minus 30% Yeah, Nintendo still gets something yes, of course and we win Are we already in the partner showcase discussion? Yeah, let's just go for it. All right So like I just want to say like there's a lot for me I actually graded the partner showcase and a call me crazy I know but I think it's because I'm a 90s kid and so as a 90s kid I saw a whole bunch of awesome 3d platformers prep paints big breakaway epic Mickey a super monkey ball You know, so all is really exciting to me But then we saw we see these Microsoft games and then we see the rare stuff And so the rare what I heard the killer instinct music Like this is rare replay we're getting rid. Oh, no, that's what I thought but I would argue it's better Yeah, you know, some of your company got five. Oh, but yeah free, but I think this implies there's more coming. Yes Exactly. Yes Like we had a sprinkle like of a couple of rare games and then it's over like, okay Yeah, then also in smash whatever and then oh Here's just a bunch that you didn't expect to get and it's like, okay All of rare. I'm like I'm over the opinion within like five years all of rare replays just gonna be on that So I got a prediction. You ready ready? I Predict that I mean, okay, this is tough prediction It's gonna be subjective, but I predict that there's gonna be a lot of debate in the future and many are going to think that Xbox is Nintendo's best partner You know what no I take it back Xbox will be Nintendo's best partner Like who's a current best? Abandon Amco might still be Xbox I mean, I mean, I mean, I know literally was the primary developer on Smash Bros. Like that's a pretty damn good partner I guess there's I guess this is nuance because like what what do you define as best partner? Do you do you define it as software sales? Do you define it as high-quality games? You define it as are they developing games for you because bad at Amco literally has their own dedicated Nintendo studio, right? Like the band I now extend to Nintendo. We're just kind of crazy Thing about Xbox is interesting is it in a way it's not a bad and Amco games on switch though a lot Yeah, I mean bad in Amco is definitely a big deal But I'm thinking let me look at think I'll just hear me out for a second You know, you got things like Minecraft, right? But we're gonna have things like Call of Duty in the future Yeah, and you know like we're gonna get crazy that I have to get Microsoft credit for that Well, yeah, exactly, right? So if you have things like that, they have Blizzard, right? So like things like overwatch That's why you're hyping up Mike Candy Crush. It's coming to switch, okay? It probably will but come on I mean, what if we do open up switch to with Sea of Thieves and Hi-Fi Rush? Those are two pretty cool games that I think people would like to see on switch to you know And then so like if all of a sudden we're gonna start to see like base It's almost like a kind of going back to a thing earlier like as a 90s kid like this is all exciting to me Not just because of what we saw but also because the implication right like this this partnership between Nintendo and Microsoft and Like just how well they're getting along like it's kind of like growing up I always kind of wished and Nintendo would find a way to get rare back in some way and Because of where Microsoft is sort of pivoting to it's kind of like we are Mm-hmm. And so that's very interesting to me. Exactly. Yeah Next game that what's that what's that game that we're working on ever or something? Is that it had that deer image not to look at other sure Yeah Everwild a couple years, huh? Yeah, it's met with benefits We've seen ever wild if that game gets announced is coming to switch to because it's not coming out this year Or that game comes out come comes out and they say hey, it's coming to switch to along with Xbox I'm like, okay. We basically got we got rare back, baby. We're fully back We're fully back in the fray now But I agree with Andre because I think that Microsoft is just winding up now I think I think they are they are in a position to become Nintendo's biggest partner And I think that of course with Call of Duty, you know, they just bought actors and blizzards Once they start operating on all these IPs and that's actually kind of bringing these games forward, right? They are gonna become I think everybody's biggest partner right now, but it's and those best partner, you know So I agree man Looks pretty cool. I think they're a trolling horse I think they're a trolling horse because they want to stick in Nintendo with their ninja suits and try to buy them off Yeah, look the only other company like I'm trying to think of what company would be on that level I mean Microsoft has so many studios You know, we start if we start getting if we still get the next Doom game as an example because we got the prior to But we don't know if we're gonna get the next one We keep getting the Bethesda stuff and like that's insane if we get the next Skyrim that would be insane The next Elder Scrolls, I guess I should fall out Yeah, like if we start getting that stuff like and a lot of this will be on opposite Nintendo's next platform But that would be insane. I kept thinking like what else could really compete with that I'm like, you all know one I mean Ubisoft can give us all their games, but they don't output as many You know, the only other company that's maybe got franchises that are even bigger. You could argue would be Rockstar And that would be really sweet if GTA 6 is coming to switch to that would be big That was no way That would be pretty big though It's the one audience that they haven't like if you think about all the sales I get there's only one audience They're not getting sales from only one Yeah, I don't know if it's even be possible. Don't ask me. I don't know what those crazy guys are thinking over there But you know, that's the thing like that's the only other company. I could really think I mean maybe you can argue CD project Rev but they don't put out new games often It would be cool. I think we I think it's a shoe and we're gonna get cyberpunk, but That's you know, that's obviously games, but out for a bit And they've obviously had a lot of time to optimize and work on something like that You know, the question is will we get the next one like if it's a new Witcher game or whatever the heck they're working on next Don't know so like Microsoft though In the sheer number like for all the flak Microsoft gets And yes, they bought their way in but they bought themselves some high quality studios and games and That's and the fact that that is leading towards some of these games coming to Nintendo That we wouldn't have gotten if they didn't buy these studios is pretty awesome It's awesome by the way, I'm not saying it's awesome. We're all of gaming I know people don't like purchasing and consolidations and I understand all that But yeah, that's a whole business side of things. Yeah, but for us the Nintendo fans We might get called duty this year apparently on switch because I Switched to it so well. I'd be a remaster. Mm-hmm. I can't be a remaster though. That's the problem Did you see the details of the time? It's got to be the current it's gonna be the current call of duty So whatever the new one is this year. It's got to be of all the same features Maybe they start development and so that made this does it have to release or do the The only thing I can think of that might get away with it is a switch to is announced for the end of the year And then they've got the okay from Nintendo that we can analysis for switch to for launch or something like that I'm not delaying or or or the rumors are wrong and switch to is coming up. Okay. We'll get into that later Um, yeah, they're probably not wrong, but you never know All right, so getting back into this stuff Anyone else likes anyone else have like some takeaways negative or positive from this partner direct I think trust I give it a seven out of ten. Was it still like a be kind of really same a lot of that's good to see but I'll see you in the u.s. I I am monster monster hunter stories I Wasn't well, I think it I should change my C's to a B when I was in school. So for me, okay So so monster hunter stories HD that that was a surprise for me because I wanted to play that game on Bigger screen right love that game park South Park with hilarious camera for me that one Fantasy life October 10 really I thought they said summer, right? Anyway, uh, we're the rare games were awesome Epic I Just noticed that there were a lot of a lot of remixes remasters also from third parties, right? And that's just another indication that yeah, they're cooking for Nintendo switch to for the next generation So I was just happy to see remakes and remasters coming to this which just like Nintendo was doing previously So, you know, which to be with report. Yeah, I want to I want to circle back to rare. That's all right Just a little bit The audio listeners there's this thing when you're streaming from a Mac that you can make all these different effects happen And every time Mike makes one happen it literally like cuts his head out the cabinet me Keep him safe, but I just want to make a quick point Because you know what we're talking about like kind of rare in a way almost kind of coming back to us because of this at Relationship and tonal Microsoft tab and so kind of you know the thought or like across people's minds Well, yeah, sure, but rare sucks now and I'm not sure that's a fair statement because See if these come as has come out and if you look at Metacritic, it's not amazing But as he said it's been updated. Yeah, it didn't have much of an end game when it came That was like the big thing. Yeah, you got to the end and there was nothing to do in this MMO You're like, what are we doing and by the way, that's very common in all MMOs when they come out The end game is kind of like nothing. Yeah It's a game that's built that's built and grown over time, right? And so what's interesting though is it now that we're gonna get the PS5 version on April That's gonna be an interesting opportunity to kind of like have like, you know updated reviews Exactly, right? So it comes out. It's like an eight or nine out of ten kind of game You know that that I think that that speaks well I mean you could already play the game yourself and decide, right? But you know if see if these is a good game and this other game they're working on it Looks kind of ambitious This ever while thing. Yeah, that's why it's been a bit, but they're still working on it It's been announced, but you know, they're waiting for the right time So is this ocean endless ocean thing? Is this like an open ocean kind of multiplayer kind of game? I haven't played endless ocean on the Wii. I don't think it's actually open. I don't I don't know Yeah, this one looks like it's supposed to be kind of like open multiplayer or whatever The old ones were more the only reason I even know about endless oceans because I watched Game Grumps growing up But the old ones used to be you would just you would pick a mission and you swim around the ocean There was like an objective and you wouldn't took pictures of the whale or the shark or you know, whatever And or you'd explore like an undersea cavern or a ruin like it was stuff like that And I assume it's gonna be more of that but then I guess I mean the 30 person multiplayer was crazy I was like, what is what is what's going on here? We got a fortnight battle royale in the water It's crazy um Could make for a good stream, you know, you know, yeah, no for sure But it's like party, uh, if nintendo's online can handle 30 people at time Swaz, I mean, I mean, yeah But I mean a fortnight, I guess that they probably run on what epic servers or something Yeah, that's probably not them or they'd kind of yeah Um, I'll just want to read the the endless ocean description on the website So it says dive in and survey a mysterious underwater world Take a deep breath and budget to avail to see an unexplored region with discoveries that change with each dive Encounter and learn about over 500 species of marine life, some of which are presumed extinct or even mythical What will you find on your undersea journey hang out and explore together in shared expeditions of up to 30 players online So I'll say if you go to the part where it says an unexplored region with uh with discoveries that change with each dive That feels like an implied mission-based thing. So Yeah, and so that doesn't necessarily mean that the maps are small, right? We pay like a game like legends arches for example the the map. Yeah, they're maps But they're they're big maps like they're kind of like smaller contained like mini worlds. Um So, yeah, uh, they're probably just large areas that you can explore by uh by a mission Um, but yeah, it's it's a giant open Not okay. I don't want to use the word open. It's a it's a big Nope, it's a world sort of water exploration. It's our game That's out the bag said it people who people who played endless ocean love love endless ocean It's uh, it's just sort of a relaxing game to play Like it's not something that makes you, you know panic or anything and it's it's gorgeous At least it was way back on we now you have a brand new one in hd Like that's that's already going to make people just like have a lot of fun Um, just exploring and taking the photos and hey, they said mythical creatures. So You know pretty historic ones. It's so cool. I am pretty historic So I may maybe there's a mission where maybe it's not so calming because it's a megalodon or something But but I mean I I don't think it's it's yeah, I don't know I think the idea is just just all chill. You just find yeah And you just chill with other players and have fun and explore and find things and look I mean I'm all for these kind of games or they're like a little calming open Maybe look at this more like You know what you know what genre games are really popular We don't talk a lot about and that's walking simulators. They're they're very very popular But they're also usually not super stressful It's just you know, you do a few tasks if there's some gaming things in it But for the most part you're just taking in the world and just enjoying And that and that's kind of what this game sort of is before the ocean Um and the ocean world's awesome Like a lot of us grew up, you know Loving ocean animals because you see all these cool things on tv But even on my mac when it goes to like uh the splash screen some of my favorite ones are when it's the Apple show in the footage of the whales and all the stuff in that water. I'm like, dude, this is sweet There might be a good game in vr And the social and the ocean. Yeah, and the social would be great Actually really base that would be a fantastic For the next one, baby. We'll see The crazy thing is Watch little that we know it already comes with it Rumor that the switch shoe is supposed to have like kind of like not google Was that like google cardboard esque vr capabilities where you could just like We could save that for the topic or we could just skip or we could go back to All right, I just I just we could also go back to 2016 where switch was also rumored to have a vr headset. So I mean also we could just go with the fact that technically switch already has a vr headset It's literally called labo it exists. It's already out there They already released it. I just I just I just want to clarify that back in 2016 There were rumors talking about like literally switched itself being like a vr thing Not labo like out of the box like that was a big gimmick. Yeah, what about the uh, nintendo on Oh, here we go If you guys remember that So The weird headset that was yeah, that's very drop like what 10 15 15 years ago How long was it was this before was this before nintendo revolution or after? It was in the lead up to the revolution I think I remember like a fake trailer. It looked really cool back in the day. Yeah, really really good job with that trailer Uh, so I really enjoyed this this partner showcase. It's weird when I see the negative reaction I think people just want things that they were never realistic in this Um, and I understand you can argue it's reliant on a bunch of remasters and old games and I do I get that We're at the end of a generation. This is just kind of what happens And these are third parties and these are what the third parties have planned for, you know Supposedly the first half of 2024 obviously some of these games are are further out But I mean look we we had some cool stuff. Um, you know with the nso shadow drops obviously of all those rare games I was really nice, you know, they just announced them. They're here. You can go play them right now Uh, technically mother three in japan on nso, which all of us can play because it's region free You can go download the japanese nso app if you want but Didn't know that Yeah, so you can technically go play it Uh, if you could just deal with the japanese stuff, but it won't be translated. Yeah Yeah, um, there's Later There's also Um So other stuff I found really exciting in here, you know, I was a huge fan of epimickey. So epimickey re-rushed like I don't know if it fixed all the control issues because that was like the big thing that we had back in the day But if they did then dude, I am all about, you know, maybe even replaying that game and you guys know I don't replay games much Um, I was already a big fan of unicorn overlord. So that you know, at least what it looks like. I haven't played the demo yet Uh, but just a couple other things that I really really thought stood out about this Dude, I know I might just play it on game pass. I don't know but another crabs treasure Yeah Sleeper pick that was all switch footage because they also dropped a trailer in general for other platforms That was very clearly switch footage and it still looks incredible I might be it might be a top five game for me from that presentation Yeah, it's a soul's like game a soul's like crab game We're going to get your shell back and you're literally listening to a kid because that's that's what you are You're playing a kid like this is awesome And like it's it kind of like Maybe I like it so much because I grew up, you know With with obviously like the the finding Nemo's and the little mermaid stuff and here we are We're just adventuring through the ocean trying to get our damn shell back and the game looks great The gameplay looks good the story time do some of the unique boss fights that looks like it has and It's souls like so it's apparently going to be very difficult And a game that doesn't look like it should be difficult so I I'm very uh, that that's one that I really am excited for from here Um, and then you know another one that a couple two or two more. I want to bring up Um South Park snow days looks incredible the whole time still looks incredible all those soft park games have been really good So I'm sure that game is going to be great um And then the one that really caught me Was that they're bringing classic battlefront back? that Looks full 64 player online Let me say something. So on my live stream Tuesday night Brandon my co-host was like someone in our chat was like, hey, do you think it'd be a star wars game? And brand's like, oh, maybe they'll you know remaster the the classic battlefront and Literally that is like what they did so So you're you're hearing it here if you haven't heard it already for me brandon is is peoro The thing I was like I was like, what in the world like this is so this is so sick I like I I'm just so excited for that. That's that's probably my most excited pick from the whole thing I was like, dude, this this looks sick. I just wish they would put because I think that's coming to pc as well I'm glad that we're you were coming back to our roots of of the like that genre of like first First first or just shooter. I guess just to say with like you have the popularity of hell divers where it's like the collective Battle and it's not just like the the 1v1s anymore Like the corridor shooters like those are great and they have their audience, you know, it's fine But I always love those like those big, you know Warfront Collect you and a collective group people, you know are fighting against a cause. It's always been that's always been That's my she's that's my shit. I'm yeah So I'm glad that to see that a resurgence of that like gaming category within hell divers and now with the remastering of Battlefront 2 especially glad to conquest. That's the best game mode in that whole like that's a great game National games right not just one Yes, it's uh, the first and second one Those are the only two that came out on the place like it was like back in the day like PlayStation 2 xbox. Um, oh nice And they didn't come out on gamecube, but they were they had a third I guess I guess what's happening is they maybe are including content That was going to be in the potential third one because they actually had it like 90 percent ready and I think But they didn't release it because it was supposed it came out or like it got cancelled around the time that The disney acquisition happened So then like lucas films was no longer So everything got reprioritized and then they the project got dropped even though it was like mostly done So honestly, I it actually now that i'm saying it out loud It kind of doesn't surprise me that They are adding all these new new maps because I said there's new maps. There's you know kid fisto There's like new characters and all these other things So it's like oh that's probably all the shit that they were going to put in stars battle run three and now they're Adding it into the three master collection, which which makes sense. I mean if it's all there and you know I mean, you know 10 years late, but hey, I'll take it My game my game of the of the of the night is suki a game the shadow drop the el suika Is it suki? Suika suika suika the fruit game, right? That's what you're trying to do. Yeah The fruit game You mean a multiplayer mode they're adding hell. Yeah, well definitely It's dumb that it's only local right now, but Oh, I know it needs to be online They make it online. They're taking that game to the next level. I'm making I'm digging a tournament I'm making a tournament out of that if it goes online. I get 100% Yeah, that yeah, I think I think the game is stupidly It's stupidly addicting and then suddenly add multiplayer. Oh man. That's crazy Yeah I'm just glad to see them like recognize that like hey, this is like really what the next step needs to be Now you need to get it online because you get it online and you might shoot up those steam charts. I'm telling you um All right, Eric. Do you have any thoughts on it? I know you you got to watch the whole thing once you got uh Once you got to my house. Yeah work was crazy So I didn't get a chance to watch it. Um No, there was a couple games that looked pretty interesting I know one of them that we didn't mention was pepper grinder that one looked pretty good demo out now Yeah, yeah, the right of me is a left a little bit um World of goo to or yeah world of goo to look Like an interesting concept. I don't think I ever actually saw the first one. So that one kind of was kind of cool um The the game that I really like from that studio is the uh, what is it the fireplace one? I figure what that one was called um The last campfire. Oh, yeah, let me look it up. Hang on. Uh, yeah, I know what you're talking about I remember. Yeah. Well, what's what kind of blows my mind? This isn't a switch to exclude switch to the switch exclusive Little inferno. That's what it's called. Yeah crazy back in the day Um, sorry continue. I just was that was just what reminded that and also I didn't mean to cut air rock Eric if you want to keep And then flam I am surprised you were yelling about it earlier. You never said anything about super monkey ball I mean, I am that is really cool that it's a sequel like it's like it's its own It's a new game new monkey. Here we go monkey ball. It's not a remaster. You have mass multiplayer It's it looks great. It looks like you have a ball rolling Like oh, yeah, that's crazy. So I'm excited for that. That's gonna be good. I think that'll make really good. Um I'm a really good fun like multiplayer fun. Yeah, especially This this direct just kind of for me just highlights the power of opinions Because I I came out of this partner showcase thinking man. This is like the best partner showcase ever and Not a lot of people agree Well, they just it's it's not because they think it's a bad partner or it was a bad People think it's terrible a bad direct like no a lot of people think it's terrible A lot of people think it's terrible It was because their their expectations were already said hi and they went it They went into it with the bad attitude thinking that it was not a full direct already so It happens every time. Yeah, so so there's some of that Yes, where people want things aren't possible in it I also just based on a few conversations I had today where people weren't really trying to shit on it They were just like this drug was horrible for me When it when it comes to I don't know if you guys do this but like as a content creator I consider other tastes beyond my own So like if I think a game looks high quality and looks really good Even if it's not for me I can be like, yeah, that's a really nice addition to this I can see where people are going to really play that because there are games in here that I'm not going to play that I think look incredible And for I think that might be a content creator mentality because A lot of the gamers are like if there's not any game in here. I want to play it's a shit direct Yeah, yeah, I agree and I kept thinking if I wasn't a content creator Would I only just care about my own taste and then I'd be like, oh, yeah, this direct kind of sucked There's nothing in it for me But there was stuff for me or like if if there wasn't I'd be like all right Yeah, it's interesting. So, um You know nishkwick's been on I've been on here a few times right and he was saying Telling me that like he didn't like the direct because it was a whole bunch of it didn't have rpgs Like he was arguing because I was I made a video where I was arguing that this is the best partner showcase yet Right, which I don't think is saying a lot because partner showcases in general are kind of mid Um, you know, there might be one or two big things and to me here There is like eight or nine things that I'm like I feel like I need to play But like, you know from like I think I think the one Well, let me finish my point. Um, so like, you know from nishkwick's perspective, right? Um, uh, the Nintendo direct many partner showcase from summer 2022 where they showed off near automata, right and the persona games Like that was a bigger deal And it's interesting because I I think those were were pretty big deal announcements But they also were mostly ports, right? I look at this partner showcase and I'm thinking okay Well monkey balls a brand new game, you know pennies big breakways a brand new game right, um, brand new and That's a public nintendo published title Like it's that's not that's not even like just a third party thing. That is a nintendo ip You know, it's just made by a third party developer. So, you know Um, I don't know like to me it's cool, but I guess if you're if you're a big rpg fan There's not there. I guess there isn't a lot of big rpgs here. There is um overlord unicorn, which I That looks pretty cool It doesn't it doesn't look cool. Yeah. Well, I this looks like a mix of rpg and strategy, which is fine. Sure. Yeah I say it's hg2d fire. I'm like that's how it kind of looks. Yeah, I have to play play the demo I think I'll finally have clarity on exactly how that gameplay works once I get the demo going Yeah, there is something else though that I think is going into the negative It's all there's a lot of things we could we could continue on but another just one of many things Is that some people might have preferred the The japanese partner showcase because it had several announcements there. They were not in this one But you know on the flip side also there were several announcements in this one They weren't in the japanese one like there was no microsoft stuff in the um partner showcase in japan's But there was a few interesting things I saw in the japanese showcase So there's this game called renatus It kind of gives me a little bit. It almost looks a little bit like astral chain like visually But it's like it's an it's an action game that it's super colorful visually pleasing That it's very fast paced and so that game looks kind of cool I kind of wish they were that was coming over to to switch here in the states Now, obviously, you know, you can probably I could probably still play it If I use a japanese account here because we're not region locked, but it's not localized, right? And so it does make a difference to me There's this other weird game where they literally had like a guitar peripheral like where you can play like complex like guitar Stuff Weird It's like it's like beyond guitar here a big guitar here look like like but you know a guitar baby game um And then but the real big one is the mother 3 and a soul release In japan and I thought about it for a moment though That doesn't require a lot of work because That's just already an existing version that the game nintendo has they were officially released We didn't get it here. It hasn't been localized So, you know, they still haven't done it So that's why it's not here. I guess You're showing up. Are this is red notice. I wanted to check it out. Oh, I see it looks amazing It's probably gonna like a little bit because shreem I got I'm getting persona vibes Yeah, wait till you see the gameplay. It's gonna pop in soon Yeah This looks game man. This looks really good. Whoa wait till the combat comes in Like yeah, it's it's like those are cutscenes the cutscenes look pretty cool Right, but like even the gameplay like doesn't look too bad Yeah, well as even like there's a students a couple walking like it's gonna pick up here in a moment. Yeah You know like hey, yeah Yeah, this looks very Persona-esque dude. This is to come west Yeah, exactly, but So reynaudis is like this pretty hype game that's that's coming out over there that Damn this could be this could be one of the better switch games of this year. That's like that's how good it looks to me Damn coming out in july too. Damn. Damn. Damn. Damn. That's what I get a might get a port, you know That is already on switch. So it wouldn't be a port. It would just be our transition Yeah, yeah Dan I only knew about the I only heard about the other three stuff because that's all people were talking about And I was like, well, I mean, yeah, well, I heard about the motor three thing So I just decided to just watch the japan direct Okay, just kind of skim through and so I saw several things So that's why I brought it up. Nice. I'm nice. I'm not gonna lie There was a point in the direct speaking of skipping through. I was like watching it I was like man, sometimes I wish these things where I could just skip them and I was like I can this one's just a video It's not I just skipped like one of like the ones that looked really I don't know. I just wasn't interested in it I don't remember which one but I just went I just hit the little 30 second and I was like, oh, yeah Now we're at the good stuff Monkey ball Yeah, um But yeah, that's that's I mean, I'm trying to think if there's any other Like titles we didn't mention Like is there any new stands out to you steve? Yeah, steve. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely um I'll start from the top actually pence a man one You know they showed that in the sizzle. They didn't show them the main part But you know, I have that downloaded on game pass and I have not played it Because I have a big backlog But I think it's a good fit for switch It's not an exclusive that people are buying an xbox for So I think it was a good move for them to test their luck With the switches, you know massive install base. So Good move there pepper grinder. I agree. It looks like celeste spied to ball over digital I like a lot of stuff. They've done Who does that? That'd be great stuff But I'll wait till you're done. I'll wait till you're done Uh, Eric you interrupted someone. I know I'm talking too much. Shut up Shimagami tense a web vengeance. So I have the game And it's I also have it still sealed And I read on nintendo life that Apparently there's not going to be any way to play The new content unless you buy the the game like they're not going to be selling standalone dlc So that's unfortunate. I don't I don't think I'll double dip since I haven't even played the first one Um epic mickey played that on the Wii back in the day I don't think I would pick it up on switch but depending on how The reviews are I may once it goes down in price? But I am curious how the resolution and frame rate is going to be on switch compared to say You know ps5 or the series Uh, let's see battlefront So that's exciting. I played that back in the day. I think a lot of us did Uh spires handling the development for the release and I did hear they did an excellent job on the Tomb Raider one through three remaster So that's exciting. Again. I want to see how that runs on switch Because that might be a game that could be better suited elsewhere for now until switch to unfortunately Uh the ender magnolia guys, have you guys played ender lilies? No Yeah, I thought that the magnolia one was really interesting. Yes Great game great metroid vanias. I have it. I picked it up from uh play asia the physical copy So I was very excited actually to see that I I wasn't expecting that that was a big surprise for me Um outside of that What's that? Is ender lilies on switch? Yeah, it's on switch Uh monkey ball. So I'm a big monkey ball fan. I've been playing this since it came out on gamecube I had it pre-ordered back in the day when I was in high school that long ago, man big monkey ball fan Just absolutely loved that game But again, I'm a little concerned because I saw the I I'm concerned But I'm excited because I saw that multiplayer I was like, that's crazy. How's the switch running that? Yeah, that that's monkey ball. So Yeah Right So that would be interesting. Um, I will pick that up I don't know if I'll pick it up on day one because I swear to you As soon as I buy monkey ball I see like wario 64 on twitter post that it's like half price and then like a couple weeks later You pick it up for like 10 15 bucks. I'm like, why'd I buy this day one, man? Yeah um the crab game You guys talked about it a little bit, but that's that's pretty wild like a souls like Game where you control a crab and the premise is so weird That I'm I'm interested like I definitely actually like want to play that game that is very very odd And all I could think is it's odd and wonky in almost all the right ways I know and I really want there to be a giant enemy crab Just to just because of E3 back in the day. Oh, there will be I'm sure I'm sure And he's big break away. I was very excited that that got shadow dropped And I was debating. Oh my god. Do I want to try contra first? Or play penny and I side it do contra first because it'll be quicker, of course So I will be playing that soon Uh, probably probably pick it up tomorrow Then those rare games like like, uh, andre it's like you mentioned, man That is really exciting because All those games like all the games I know and I actually have You know fond memories of all of them. I actually own all of these games On the shelf behind me rc pro and we played that a ton growing up as kids Uh blast score we rented that so many times at blockbuster So many great game But the most exciting part is what's to come Because it did feel like holy shit, man We're getting rare back like banjo was in smash. That was a big deal Yeah Gold and I you know coming to the nso. That was a big deal There's stuff happening that really makes me think that Like you had mentioned earlier as well about microsoft being You know that the biggest developer right the biggest partner to the switch And mike you mentioned the same thing and he even said Well, yeah, I mean playstation as well And when you think about it and you look at all the developers underneath the microsoft umbrella It's probably going to go down that way. I mean, how can they not be the biggest partner to everybody? So for me this I think for all of us for gamers. This is a big win I mean I have an xbox right it gets played the least Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, but I have one I support it and You know, honestly what I would I love it if I could just play microsoft games on switcher playstation? Absolutely And it really annoys me that the buttons are freaking backwards on an xbox controller compared to PlayStation switch I can't tell you how many times I press the back button when I'm trying to press the other button It's a little thing, but it's frustrating When you got to remember so many damn controls and you're playing all these different consoles Yeah, it was hard for me to go back to when I was playing spider-man to go back to Pressing the a over here instead of the x or the you know the the bottom one for for select I can't just be uniformed, you know Yeah, I don't understand that but Guys overall, I thought it was I thought it was a good direct for where we're at Yeah, switch life cycle I'm glad Part of me is very glad that we didn't walk away and say that was the best Best ever direct and that I don't mean just partner because I I think I think that's pretty debatable that it actually might be the best partner direct like you said andres Yeah, I think that makes sense But I didn't at the same time. I didn't want to be blown away Because if i'm blown away if we're all blown away, what does that mean? Me the way out the way one for switch too. Exactly. Exactly. Oh So this was perfect right where it was at. There's games on there. I am legit gonna buy And so yeah, and I think the biggest thing was the rare thing that excites me the most because We walk away from that knowing that there's good things to come there Yeah Yeah, all right. Yeah. Um, I think kid and christa said it the best. Um on their pot I don't know they were on the nontendo and they were saying nontendo. I guess they're they're just it just it really feels like nintendo is like Cleaning house there really this is like the last little bits everything that was like Would have been in a regular direct they tweeted it out Like what do they they call that day like the the the direct on twitter or something like that? The x direct yeah, yeah the x direct and uh So there was that and then uh, and now we have all this and so it's like I don't it's like this It feels like now the stage is set And we're all just holding our breath until it until it finally happens Do I think we're gonna get like switch to I don't debate I will cut the end of the podcast, but yeah, that it just it just that's just where that's what the vibe I get now from nintendo is like the stage is set for the next thing because we again We have nothing past the summer like not a not even not a little bit, you know They get something to put a chair on top they can and now they could just tweet uh, at least they for what I am Praying for maybe this is copium I want that I want that switch drop on march and I want to be at paxies and hit play demo. I get that would be sick That would be really sick I don't think that's gonna happen, but you know Anyway, I would be sick cool Yeah, so Mike my gripe. I didn't even realize I had it until thunder steve said that uh the vulva digital the vulva digital Because my biggest hope was See the plucky squire in it but but There is act they did actually come back and drop gameplay on twitter devolver did today Drop is part of that i gm i gm is doing something Yeah, I don't know but fan fest thing. I watched it Holy christ this game looks good. It does look good. Damn good I was hoping for a freaking release date, but they still didn't give me one So i'm bummed that that wasn't in the direct But i'm only partially bummed because I got to see Way more of it than I would have if it wasn't the direct Also without a release date there. There's uh, there's a 3 and 4 A just outside shot a future direct could have a release date for it Maybe probably going to be summer game fest is probably where they'll drop the release date to be fair That's where they were originally off The plucky squire plucky squire. Okay. It's coming to switch. We can Andris go look up that that gameplay trailer. Oh, holy crap. It is good. You know what one indie game I really want to see and I was hoping would have been there And we haven't heard from it for a while as Mina Mina the hollower You guys remember that? Would it say it again it's by yonk club, you know the guys make shovel night It's called Mina This game looks badass like seriously it gives me uh links awakening vibes But I remember reading about it, you know watching the trailer and they're trying to combine like multiple different plastic games Into a modern day game and I forget what the other ones were I know they said links awakening was an inspiration But there's a few others. Yeah, and they're they're all games that I guarantee all of us have played and enjoy The game is going to be probably really really good. I like the character This is the did you mention? I'm sorry. I tuned out for a little while, right? But the plucky squire like this reminds me of like a link between worlds basically Yeah, it's got those five Odyssey and yeah Well, no, but what I mean by a link between worlds is the link between worlds is the game where it's a 2d is all the game but it also It kind of plays a little bit with 3d because you can merge into walls as like a 2d image moving around Yeah, so that's that's there's a lot of that feels like an expanded some feels like they they played a link between worlds They're like, you know what let's make this into something even bigger It's pretty cool. It's very All right Well, I think we can kind of wrap that up any final thoughts, you know, let's just go around I know some of us gave some grades. What would you guys grade this thing on? Let's use the American scale because that's the scale I know but I've been told it's actually different in Canada And I was going to say North American scale but their scale is actually different. So the abcdf Where are we putting her in there? Thunder Steve. Let's start with you Yeah B Very solid for the lamb Yeah, B is where I'm at with that. That's that's about that's about right I'm not like blown away, but it's it's it was pretty solid for my low expectations Eric yeah, I'm right there with him All right Ah c plus closer to b Mike it's okay to be like the rest of us Be minus be minus Uh, and honestly, I know you said a right Still stand by it. I don't see how they could have had a better partner showcase I think to argue with that. I think a better partner showcase was the one where, um, um, mario plus rabbit's park So hope was there persona three Uh persona at the end that I we we watched it before this one came out. Sure. Well, this was a good one persona It was mario plus rabbit. I think it was another game. That was really really good Yeah, I mean that those are definitely some like that's a pretty good one My argument is just that this had more new original games coming to switch that were pushing the hardware So, but I'm yeah, you know, if you're if you're more of a platformer guy I think you'll like this one if you're more of an rpg guy, you'll like the the other ones. So I I see where you're coming from Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure pushing the hardware the right term because I don't think it's gonna make any sales on this on the hardware Well, I mean I look at games like, um, you know, for example grounded That's pushing out. I would say that's pushing switch hardware, right? Um, you look at ground Yeah, I would Yeah, of course it's on xbox. It's an xbox game It's on game pass Yeah, of course it is But I don't know if you do all four xbox games and I was coming to other platforms today around game pass at xbox They are literally xbox games. Yeah, but there are other games. I thought we're kind of good-looking games for for switch like, um, you know the Um, other crabs treasure, right? Yeah, the switch version actually does look pretty good. Yeah, I mean endless ocean is still a brand new nintendo game Right, and I think that looks pretty good as well. Uh, so those are just some examples Okay Well, uh, you guys already know my great. It's a b it is what it is. I really enjoyed it. It wasn't like the best uh partner showcase in my opinion for my taste but There was a lot of good in there and I was going into this expecting it to be like a c And that's even with p oro's leaks. I mean, all right. Yeah, let's be like a c like the endless ocean thing I thought was just gonna be like an apport remaster When it was a brand new game, I'm like, oh, yeah, that was really cool. I was like, oh, yeah The online really really and I'm glad that like he didn't like specifically clarify That it was new and that that just that so my expectation was like, oh, this is really cool We're getting that oh wait a second. It's new This is sweet This is awesome. Um, all right So, uh, that wasn't the only piece of nintendo stuff that happened this week because the day after they announced this dang thing They also announced was just that the pokemon company did a pokemon presents for next week Oh man, the the worst kept secret in gaming pokemon day has a pokemon presents Who knew it's almost like this happens every year They're not in the morning. I'm still a lot like a three o'clock. Yeah, it was like midnight. I don't do is weird But like the pokemon presents every year is usually where they they talk about things that aren't just games They do go into some more general pokemon stuff, but it also is where they end up Revealing mostly what the games are and what their slated games are going to be for the given year Occasionally they'll announce something a bit later like they did last year when they dropped actual news in a direct That was really shocking So I don't know but they do tend to announce like it especially if it's going to be a mainline game or a remake of a mainline game It's almost always announced here So the question is what the hell do you guys think is going to happen and what? There's what do you want to happen? And then there's what you think will actually happen because those can be two different things I I will take the reins here as the resident pokemon community guy. Yeah um Okay, so I'll start with what I want to happen what I would like to happen It's for them to cool their jets and we get more like spin-off games And we maybe like a mystery dungeon a poke apart three Something along those lines would be refreshing and nice What I think is going to actually happen, especially after the most recent central leagues that could be fabricated could be fabricated But we seem to have gotten chibi leaks of Gen five made by elka um So and I think that might be what we're getting is another elka game of generation five They couldn't be totally fabricated, but I I definitely think we're going to get some game Whether it's a generational remake whether it's let's go Honestly, let's go as private is another likely one I could see like let's go jota or something along those lines But uh that we're gonna get something and honestly It's like as a pokemon fan. I'm I have a bit of fatigue with it just because again Scarlet and violet was like the first pokemon game to come out with the general negative generally negative press reception um I was I was pitching a video I say about this about the pokemon machine I'm gonna write at some point to my friends and we were debating about you know points and stuff like that uh, and it's just like I just I again, I just hope that they Don't go to overboard that or if they do continue this cycle that they start Dedicating more of their resources, which I know the pokemon company is technically separate from game freak but it's just It's difficult to watch and I know and I think I think the pokemon day though I think the thing that we're probably gonna get is my bet if I was a bed man gen 5 remakes or Uh, then let's go Whatever so anyways, I it's not not to go too too much on you What right right right right right right for me throw some fire throws a fire Yeah, so this is this is what's gonna happen game freak is gonna do what they do and follow the exact same pattern They're they're super predictable pattern Except if you go back to the pattern situation, what it would suggest potentially is yep We're probably gonna get a chibi Focus remake that we're gonna be pissed about some people are gonna enjoy it and it's gonna sell like 10 to 15 million copies But well, hold that me finish my point. Let me finish my point my bad. My bad. My bad But just like one don't worry. I'll give them pearl legends came out a couple months later, so I think it makes a lot of sense to do it again Give us a give us a you know like a elka pokemon remake and then have legends come out a few months later Which if reports are true lines up for that early switch to launch so I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen. I'm just putting it out there. Yeah. No, I think I see my thing is I'm not only I don't even have a problem with the chibi art style I know a lot of people do but like I think it looks fine. It's just that it was such a carbon copy to the point of being solace of gen 4 Uh, like it didn't include any Generally when they remake the games in the past They always have new features and they have things for you to be excited about and they it's the game The big base game like and you have everything from the base game are very damn near close Plus a lot of new things and the only I mean they added they enhance the underground in general in the in the new games And that that was it that is the all they enhance and I guess you could argue the pokedex and whatever but It was not like omega ruby alva saffron where you add they added a whole different post game and did all these really cool things It was not I mean they added the underground areas, but it wasn't a lot the kind of stuff and it's just It was like not like hard gold and silver hard gold and silver or the best remakes of all time in my opinion, but uh Yeah, that's that's the thing is it's like I don't I don't mind if they do like a faithful whatever it's just like give us It was a little more meat on those bones, especially when that black and white remake would be I don't you know what you call faithful because that had its own like rendering engine with like the The battles like they they said they adopted like this pixelated Movement thing was like this hybrid 3d 2d thing was really cool Exactly and and that's that's I also feel like it's too soon for a black and white remake We just got gen 4. I mean they can't maybe they're changing things up, but Yeah, it's gonna be a little a toss but I kind of feel like the thing is we've been getting a lot of gen 5 hints But we've also we get a lot of gen 2 hints and so you know, maybe we get like the The bare bones black and white remake, right? But then we also get a legend's like sell of the And I that would be an interesting it would be very interesting and they would do legends of a of a different region If they did, you know what I'm saying saying I want more legends games. I think legends games are like where it's at, but I mean, I would prefer them to just focus on one game Yeah, that's that's what my that's for my opinion Well, I mean if they're if elka's doing the chibi one and then game freak is doing the legends, which is how I mean Resources wise. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, but I I guess I just want one game to be the focus marketing wise Yeah, yeah, but at all at the same time, you know, they may want to position the legends game as a switch to title Or like at least like a cross. Yeah, and that's That's the other part of this argument that is I've always been like I'm like this generation is coming to an end. So like what Hardware is this going to be on are we going to just default to switch and these people are or like are we Like and that and that's the other part. I'm like, okay Are we saying it's gonna come out in whatever? But then they don't say like for switch or maybe it'll be cross gen. I don't I don't know but That's another piece of it. I'm like, okay I really don't I really hope they don't do it because it's like, okay They need they should be waiting for you know, gen gen Can I just throw out a hypothetical or a hypothetical hypothetical? All right I just and I just want to point I want to point something else out before the hypothetical, right because I feel like I have to right because of the recent reports. I have to lean early 2025. I have no choice I have no choice. I don't want to but because of the reports. I have no choice Yeah, right But the hypothetical is assuming that's wrong somehow Right Right. Yeah, we are holiday here. We're probably gonna touch on it a little bit later, right? But there's some information suggesting maybe metric prime 4 does come out this year But in my opinion, there has to be a cross gen version It would just be really weird to not do, you know, have it be like a Like a launch window kind of thing And so what if Nintendo did push things up a little bit? Maybe initially it was going to be like a late summer release But instead it's going to be like an october november thing, right? So it was pushed up And maybe what most devs are suggesting like what we've heard are just like that second tier of devs, right? And there's a very select group of developers That are only privy that are privy that they're still working on holiday stuff, which by the way, we do have some evidence for um, but That all said, um, I still have to lean 2025 because of the reports But the hypothetical is what if we launch, you know, october november and in that window we get metric prime 4 and a legends game for switch 2 Is that a good is is that a good like one two punch? I not barrio not zelda metric prime 4 Which is a really ambitious nintendo game with an online multiplayer And a legends game that's been visually enhanced and prepped for switch 2 Yeah, i'm gonna say i don't i don't know if they would hedge their bets on the pokemon company, especially after The most recent game being such a not necessarily a mark like sales numbers wise flop But being like like press wise being such a flop, you know, like People are gonna buy pokemon no matter what that's that's not the that's not the issue that they're probably worried about i'm saying more like in terms of the branding and the imaging of switch 2 if If the pokemon company comes out with another piece of dog shit and respectfully Uh, and it you know that doesn't look good for switch 2. That's they wouldn't I don't think they would I don't think counterargument counterargument though. I I actually I think what you're saying makes a lot of sense Right, like uh, you're probably right, but my counterargument though is that if they're doing another legends game though the legends games are Legends arches is considered by many to be the best pokemon game on switch I would I yeah, I would agree and so, you know, the title might even be they may even be But my point is though like this is all hypothetical, right? I don't think this is actually what's happening But you know like if they could like, you know be keeping better tabs on it And also if it's legends, right there's already more likely to do better anyways And also I think Nintendo already knows that the next pokemon game is not going to be as much of a travesty And especially if they're big doing their second legends game That's more likely that they're going to have a more established formula for that And so I would say the next one would be a little bit more polished as well Right so even for for the standards of legends like we're not talking about scholar violet Just forget that it it it will be if legends and um Imagine a more polished legend makes them out like but let's say that's what happens. That's what it is. Yeah, okay a more a more A better executed legends game set in jodo And prime I I think it'd be cool. I think they would drop remakes first before they drop like they did last time I think they would drop remakes before they drop legends to be perfectly honest We might just get a legends game. Who knows we might not even get anything general. I don't know We'll find out in 27th. I got some predictions. Do you guys want to hear them? Give me some predictions. Sure. So so my predictions for the pokemon presenter. I was wild, you know That's why that's why I that's where I go Um, yeah, I agree with the tb game that little tb remake or whatever But I think I also predict the mobile a new mobile game inspired by pokemon horizon series and then They will show off gen 10 I would I think I would Cry not in a bad way Won't give a release date, but they'll actually show off gen 10 kind of like they'll tease it. Yeah Towards the end towards the end. Yeah, I don't I don't I know I know Andre You have your own little speculation thinking you're a little world there, but guess what this is my world now I'm mohawkie and that's what's gonna happen I think gen 10 is a little too soon in terms of like they're gonna Drop it because it's just like I don't know. I feel like they're still they're still doing shit with gen 9. I know they like just finished the dlc, but And I I guess I guess I could see maybe they tease it like they did last like they did with scarlet About they tease it and then they're like it's coming in like a year and a half from now get ready and but I so maybe I could see that but I don't know again. I think I think a lot of things and I hope I don't know. We'll see what this is. I think this is going to be a very pivotal pivotal Uh, pokemon day presents for the pokemon company and game freak as well Just because I think it's going to really decide the direction of like Pokemon in the long term and like if they continue down the shit the shit cycle That's going to slowly erode away their base Or if they actually, you know are somewhat receptive to the You know criticisms and whatever and they are at least trying to make adjustments. You know, let me let me answer this question 2025 Okay, what's to is out? Yeah, there's not yet 20 million system sales pokemon company tends to want to sell on the higher number of accounts You know what to you know get to their market Would they issue a gen 10? for the nintendo switch and then another version for switch 2 I don't they've never done a cross gen Thank they've in fact, they've always opted like using the ds and the 3ds as an example They've always opted to Even though it's there is older hardware. They've always opted for the older hardware like they will say they they will They would drop like in that scenario. I think they would drop it at least, you know for basing it on pass They would just drop it on switch and they wouldn't care. They would just they only waited one year Um for switch that we got our first pokemon games of the second year of switch in 2018 Because normally, yeah years right every three years you get a a new gen every three four years. Yeah Yeah, so, I mean, yeah, so, you know assuming the pattern holds that would the holiday 2025 would be gen 10 But that's assuming the pattern holds which it's been holding Well, I mean if you if you give it four years I could I mean I could see them doing four years again I think because they they have a lot of like ongoing support for scarlet and violet So I could see them doing more with it But I don't know maybe they want to dump it Maybe they want to they're treating it with like the we you and they want to you know escape that The brand image and try to get out of there and because that's what that's what the dlcs felt like I think the dlc and that and that's the biggest thing with me is like I think we debated this like when we had the the nintendo or the pokemon podcast with saffron and other folks Um Is it I don't I don't think it's a game freak issue. I think it's a time issue and it's like they Because there's things in the game that are very creative and are very like I'll all these are like tiny small things and you're like, why are they there? If you if they were being lazy, they wouldn't have put those things there you know, you know i'm saying and Especially just because like the mechanic of terasolization alone is such a cool And robust mechanic and it's making the competitive scene like The best it's the it's the most the competitive side of pokemon is actually the biggest it's ever been I went to charlotte regionals and it was literally like the biggest pokemon event It was bigger than any of the worlds in the past it's been any bigger than any Yes, like every regionals they do it just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger It's so like on the competitive side and on the like the core fan side I think pokemon is is they're they're fostering the audience because Because like the things that there are putting in their games are the things like the the ideas they do have Or managed to you know cultivate are very creative and they have a lot of potential It's just that you know, I think they're just not catering enough to the the the casual pokemon fan, I think would it say Let me cool if they would have mixed the gigantamax ant and the terrestrialized One to one, you know like one big that would be wild. I don't even know how you would do that but that would be wild just because like Because both of those rely on like I don't know I don't want to get into the semantics of it But yeah, that would be cool. I mean it'd be interesting if they did something like that. So yeah, anyways, um Yeah, that's my thing on pokemon. I'll I'll stop I'll stop yapping. I know yapping yapping a pokemon steve Are you a pokemon connoisseur in any way shape or form or are you just kind of like oh well? No, I enjoy pokemon. Okay. Yeah, what's there? I was there day one for pokemon rat On my game going back in a day I was born the year pokemon came to the states. Does that make you guys feel old? I I'm older than the NES by the way. So Yeah, okay I'm excited though I I think my expectations are probably similar to your guys's but Yeah, uh, I would say that we're either gonna get a gen remake possibly black and white or heart gold silver Or a new let's go entry I think the timing is close But it might be too soon for a pokemon legend sequel And what I mean if it's too soon is It is really close from when it the last one came out and then I think to where we are with switch to Hopefully right. Yes that it would make more sense for switch to I think the pokemon company will probably release one of their games that they are working on now And that they may have possibly even ready on switch to but at the same time And mike you mentioned this as well and I had this in my Other part here is that my expectations kind of like my wants and desires line up with my expectations and that I think a new pope a new pokemon game would help to switch to momentum But at the same time they might as well release One more to like really capitalize on the switches install base And just rake in the cash. So I think we do get a gen remake still on the switch because I mean, how many how many are we at guys now? What was the 140? We had 140. It's pretty cool. It's almost it's almost be the D s or no the d s is the d s best which one's best is d s better than d s is number two ps2 is number one whichever one is number two It's all which switch is almost beat it. It's like it's like it's like maybe It's like 10,000 units or something. I mean just look at that install base that you're selling to right and then how many people are going to pick up two Both colors right because there's a lot of people would pick up both colors. I mean You'd be leaving a lot of money on the table to To not release one more Gen remake and I think legends could really probably take advantage more Of the switch switch twos hardware And we could see a much better looking legends game as well. And I think that would be better suited versus a gen remake What I could see them do is is Maybe put the chibi ones on switch and then put and and maybe make them cross gen Uh, but then legends is is a switch to exclusive I could see because because I don't think they care as much about legends in terms of like driving sales Because that's not usually because like the last legends game In terms of sales because there's only one it sold. Well, don't get me wrong I'm just saying it doesn't sell like it doesn't sell like hotcakes like the Like the you know, the main line. It's not their money Okay, that's it I've had enough of all this. What is it? What did I say wrong? No, no, no, so all right. What I I don't agree. I just don't agree. That's it's just that simple Um, I don't agree right. I well technically you're right Um, legends has not sold as much as some of the pokemon games, but it's circumstantial It yeah legends sold like I'll just literally pull the sales right now It's isn't like 14 million or something right? It's like a smidge or under I'm just let me pull it up. Let's just tell you I mean, you know The sales though that I'm looking at that 14.8 that you'll probably see Andres that says of march 2023 So how much more is it sold that almost 12 12 months is another year Yeah, I don't know what they're yeah, it's probably considerably better. I would think Right, so as the last time it's been as the last time it's been updated, right? It's at 14.83 to your point, right? They haven't told us recently. It's probably 15. Yeah Yeah, maybe right. Um, but just based off the knowledge we have, right? Um, so legends arches sold 14.83 brilliant diamond shining pearl which came out two months later Uh, beforehand actually or before I came out before yeah, right sold 15.06, right? So brilliant diamond came out during november holidays had holiday boost was two different copies And and sold 15 legends arches sold in january after the holidays far less sales far less sales potential Just one copy and basically sold the same amount And so that's that's I would say actually no if legends I was given a proper holiday period and even if they went for the two sort of copy thing it would destroy But it would two copies. I hope it doesn't do two copies. I hope it doesn't but right I mean, let's just stick about it is that it's one copy, you know Yeah, I mean I personally, you know, I I would I think maybe they just go for one But the point is if they just gave it like the focus as a holiday title As opposed to a random january throw away Right after people spend a bunch of money in a pokemon game It's gonna do way better than on top of that. I would argue rcs Uh, let the whole legends right now has like the best reputation at the moment For the I think yeah And the most people are much more willing to give faith in a second one To tell you the truth I think the legends gave will sell over 20 million if it's given the proper Like yeah treatment. Oh, yeah at least 20 the the full motorcycle into the hollow The crazy thing with rcs is in the core pokemon community or at least like the competitive scene They just do not care about it. Like they just don't well It's not that yeah, it's not it's not a core game plus the battling system in it with the agile So style it doesn't translate to um It doesn't translate to the competitive scene like the actual like there's no the only thing they care about it is Some of the pokemon in those games like they Transfer them out and then they use them in the other ones But yeah, um multiplayer in the next one if they wanted to Yeah, that'd be really cool. I kind of like that. They didn't do it They didn't I almost feel like rcs is like the anti hardcore pokemon game How do you take that in some ways more hardcore? Yeah, but it's something that is more but but it's kind of like because I think like And this is just something that I've learned over the years The loudest people you hear on the internet are always usually the vocal minority Maybe i'm part of the vocal minority on something some way. I have no idea But like pokemons are massively popular worldwide millions tens of million hundreds of millions of people playing I mean just look at pokemon go and how many people still play that all the time Still a top 10 app all these years later with player base uh It kind of just reminds me that like Just like when there was the dexit thing and everyone was like getting all mad online Was it really everyone or was it just like competitive scene people? Bitching really really loud. I don't really think competitive scene people carried that much about dexit either It's a different audience I know I'm just throwing out there that like it to me It just always feels like at least from I asked someone more like on the outside of the pokemon community That like most people I meet that play pokemon just like pokemon and don't care and they just casually play and it's all fun But then when I go online, there's always like all this vitriol Within the community from all these different sectors that I don't quite understand Like maybe they're just taking pokemon too serious. I don't know I've never viewed pokemon is like a super serious type of game pokemon is so huge Right like I think there's there's There's a lot of different types of audiences, right? You have the nuzlocke and community, right? You have like the creepypasta community, right? You have the competitive community have the casual community You have the collector community. You have the trading card community, right? You have the anime community like it's pokemon is like so so big that Like you have different niche fan bases within the fan base. Yeah, I was that you're never gonna Plea that we were talking about talking about this with my friends. You're never gonna please everybody within the pokemon fandom Yeah, sorry. I don't mean to cut you off but that that yeah, that's it. It's just what it is Yeah, um, then I think I think the power world is embarrassing the pokemon company and so I did so the whole thing with power world is like I Like, you know, you can argue whether it's soul shit or whatever like doesn't fucking matter, right? Like it's whatever like that's if it did it didn't it's what what power world has proven is that they have Created a hole in the market for their for like pokemon company Is is let the gap in the market for their casual fans And I think that the there is a you know There's a demographic of people of the casual fans But I think arceus eventually are excuse me legends the legend series of games could eventually recapture in a you know more better sense Then you know the the regular core games because the regular core games is what you know All the core fans always they want that and they want the competitive scene the shiny and the what in the breeding and everything else but then Arceus, I think you can feel you're gonna appeal way more to like that casual audience But and though something changes it's just gonna yeah, that's what I think power world I think it's more of like it was a it's a star. It's burnt out I mean, I hope it you know gets more support and whatever I think I don't think it has any longevity though But I think it shows I think it signals to the pokemon company and to Game freak that hey, there's a large there's a large market of people You are not tapping into that want to you know That want this kind of game or a more casual pokemon experience that Your games are not providing right now and and that and I think that's just that's just where I'm at with that so my pokemon with guns Oh boy, they may not that extreme, but I mean ours is you had the pokemon attack you like and they like I mean that's pretty I mean you can't shoot back or anything But like I don't know that Arceus takes that you know darker route than a pokemon game normally would so Yeah They never know Yeah, anyways, all right Uh, I said I hope a little pull of people were excited and it ended with 51 of people are not looking forward To the pokemon I see 50 50 and 49 The one just left. Yeah, the one just left. Yeah was 51. Yeah, it doesn't it's not even split anyways Um, yeah, I mean the only thing that I can be any sort of excited for would be as if they brought red and blue to NSL that'd be a boat Otherwise What do you think about legends? Is one of the drop another one? It was okay. It was okay. Okay. That's fair You take that back Eric No, I I think that's a very fair assessment, especially I assume Eric is a lot more of a casual fan that doesn't I you take that back I fell on a boat. Take that back. He's a gen oneer. I I literally thought I I just think I like Because of how refreshing it was so I'm moving up here The cameras fall on them Um, I mean my eyes are up here I'll turn off the gestures, you know, I could turn them off, right? Oh, that's funny There we go. Okay. I will turn off the gesture. I'll just piss off. Are you locked yet? I don't know. Good Yes, you're okay. I will turn off the gesture. Jesus I barely even I didn't even make the gesture and it just say it just If you get up to go to the bathroom, it's just wants to sit around and follow I think you said something I didn't like There you go. It's not making me mad. You're talking. That's what yeah, I've happened every time you talk Yep, that's what it is. I talk with my hands. I'm sorry. There you go. Yeah, but no, I I I don't have an issue with gen two, but I don't know once they kind of Exploded the amount of pokemon in a game It just I'm yep I was bashed over the head with gotta catch them all so if I play a pokemon game I gotta catch them all and Yeah, no Not anymore. I mean you could so as someone was I was like you I had that same opinion We've had this conversation before no, but I played scrawl violet. I played Arceus what's really nice about The about the games that you know, I didn't think of over the years that they have their own self-contained pokedex You can just worry about that pokedex instead of National That's why I worry about the national next technically That's why I love arceus and concept because they make Catching and collecting pokemon enjoyable again, and I and I'm not to say that like it's not necessarily Unenjoyable, but it definitely in like the mainline games where you have to battle you have to weaken it You got to do this you got to do that and then you can finally maybe catch it You have to spend like five turns just to throw three pokeballs When in arceus like the very least you may throw like a lot of pokeballs still But you don't even have to engage in the battle you can just like sneak up on it There's so many ways you can approach it and I just that's that's like the core loop of arceus and like the legends games I love and I wish they continued that I wish they just like that feature they brought into scarlet and violet Like you didn't have to you know like I would have understood if you know They still kept like the really same battle mechanic and shit, but it's just that is just such a fun gameplay loop of like It just makes catching fun. I could just make it just i'm having fun just running around throw it I've called this beat oof 10 times before and i'm gonna catch it 11th at a 12th time, you know, I see that shit. I'm like, oh Farry can chuck this pokeball and catch something Yeah, exactly like it's just it's just fun and that's what it comes down to is like It's just the newer games just don't feel that part of the game is just such a slog And it's that's what I love about arceus. It's just it just makes that really fun. Anyways, all right I'll I'm done on my arceus I'm just saying I don't give too flying crap. So Yeah, all I have to say about this this topic. So All right, I'm done. Well, that's all right because I think we're done with that topic So the interesting thing is it's wild when we get a week When there's actually like so much big things to talk about that our third topic isn't some throw away Instead this could have been the lead topic if we wanted it to be In fact, we might have more viewers if it was the lead topic because people will want to Talk about it one way or another. Yeah, and that is All the latest rumor mill craziness happening surrounding nintendo switch 2 uh It's insane because it was like friday last week All the reports came out. Hey switch 2 ain't come until quarter 1 to 20 25 Mm-hmm internal ways That could mean that could have meant fiscal Can I say that that's so cool. Yeah. Yeah. And so all the So looking at all the clarifications by all the L is important. It does sound fiscal like next fiscal year is the goal So that would be january february march. Mm-hmm only one person said was at you know at the earliest There's one L is said that they were told at the earliest march um We'll see obviously it's not like we know it's the system. It isn't publicly announced Outside of nintendo acknowledging that they are working on something they they've acknowledged that much but they they haven't actually announced the system yet uh, so Uh, so there's that right? So we have all those reports started with this guy That I I cannot pronounce his name. Someone else want to pronounce that can pronounce these names better than me Pedro Enrique Lutilepe All right, there we go. Yep. That's good. That's way better than me Anyways, he's a journalist out in brazil well known in the community because he's he's been on top of this up for Runs a podcast and everything and he did the original first report on this and the interesting thing in there was that you know, he said outside of that and that it'd be Uh That that it got delayed and all that the one one of the other interesting things he mentioned is that there just wouldn't Really be a whole lot of exciting things for switch this year every big game Is being safe for switch too, which runs kind of in my opinion against like jeff grub Like hearing that french fry for my gum this year because Um, I I don't know any world that you can say metroid isn't gonna be considered a big game The last one was up for game of the year But then also if you just want to talk about pure sales Then maybe it kind because we don't know also last year They said there are no big games of the series of the kingdom and they get mario wonder So what is it is it sales? Is it is it the price of game is the quality? Yeah seems like it just changes every time changes every time. I think the general gist is that You know, and nintendo is not going to have a lot of big Exclusive system selling games. I think that's the way I'm going to put it is there won't be a lot of big exclusive system selling games This year compared to prior years now obviously pokemon coming is nice But we had that you know two fiscal years ago and we still had sales dip year over year So I think they're just at the point where switch is sales aren't really going to recover no matter what they drop So um save everything for switch too And i think that prime four is not going to save hardware sales Yeah, no and nor is the new pokemon game or like it's Look switch sales are going down because they're reaching market saturation. It is what it is It's here's from the kingdom and the mar movie couldn't do it. Nothing can All right Yep, so before I get into the other part because there's additional rumors here also coming This is why I brought up the the Pedro guy specifically because he has other rumors he's thrown out there in addition Just like yesterday or two days ago Uh, let's just talk about that idea of switch to not coming this year. What are we feeling about this? These are obviously rumors no verification from nintendo The big thing about this the the movie the 2025 thing is it's been corroborated by A lot of places video game chronicles corroborated that your game has corroborated it And uh bloomberg has corroborated it so That's that that's a lot of outlets Of course, these are also all the exact same outlets that told us that switch pro was coming out Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. So, I mean, I have a theory. I made a video on this theory and just want to share it Um, I believe so first thing I believe switch two is coming this year If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, you know But it's coming this year. I think that developers are in a way They misinterpret the what they but what they were told by nintendo since we didn't really see What they were told and there was a communication Some people say they told me some developers say that they never got it Um, and so the the information is not completely clear. Nobody has come on set nintendo said verbatim You know, so what I think was that? Um, there is a launch window for nintendo switch two, right? And so those games that are going to be produced And launching with nintendo switch to to be to be part of that promotion of push They need to have their games out by a certain date first quarter of 2025, which is January, February, March, and so That's what I believe nintendo was kind of telling developers. You need to have your your nintendo switch ready your game ready By this set time if you want to be part of the nintendo switch Um, you know by 2035 so and so and such so launch window, right? Yeah, so that's what I believe that it has to do it has to do with the launch window of switch two It could be it could come out in november and so Um, you know, they want to be part of that launch window for switch two They will need to have their game ready by The first quarter of 2025, which is the first three months of the year next year And um, yeah, I mean I think it's coming this year. I think for me. I I'm expecting a march Trailer i'm expecting a june. I mean an april or may event and i'm expecting a june or july release okay Oh, i'm very curious if nato hate has updated His march july thing that he said Because he said he provided update when he has it and yeah, I don't think he has unless he did it on the podcast tonight Which you'll watch that later Um So look i'm obviously you know I put out a whole video that i'm on the 2024 train and and some of it is mostly just there's a lot of Hopium and copium of course involved when when talking about switch two because I would like it to come out Sooner than later because I there there's a couple things I don't buy like there was one person one of the reports suggested that They delayed it because they're trying to um, you know because they're they're trying to line up their software For a nice asset. I'm like the nintendo hasn't had a problem getting software out the entire switch So I just don't really buy and look at the last couple of years. Okay, zelda and mario and what? Yeah, and what like You're clearly must be saving some stuff something's going on So I'm like there's only one sources said that they there's only one that said that yeah I actually only suggested it. So what does that even mean? Yeah, like they didn't like I don't I don't buy that That's why so I kept thinking like why would they actually delay it like I kept thinking like are they really worried about the playstation 5 pro Like is that something that would really make them worried especially since the playstation 4 pro sales weren't insane I don't know if they're really worried about that Um, you know, I kept thinking like is there some big holiday shenanigans going on where or maybe they don't want to be involved You know, I think of a system launches But then again, even with xbox a playstation drop maybe dropping some some some new versions of their platforms I I still don't think that nintendo would really run from that and they could avoid that entirely But at least in a different month and those systems come out So I I kept thinking like why would nintendo delay there? There's only a couple reasons I can come up with One of them is that there's actually a manufacturing problem Uh, maybe like they they're trying to get these things in mass production Which by the way assembly and mass production should be all happening here beginning in march based on the Chinese calendar and all that stuff. They had a holiday season Um, but what what I a chinese new year. I think is what they call it anyways The the big thing is that maybe there was a manufacturing Maybe the yields weren't as good on the chips as they thought they would be Or maybe they've made a decision and this is where some people could get Too excited. I don't want to throw I mean I have I don't know anything Just to clarify. This is all speculation Maybe there is a chance that they have Somehow gone with a different chip than the t239 and they've made a late decision to change it out For something else. Maybe something better. Maybe something worse. I don't know They're working with it, you know, supposedly working with the nvidia on this Who knows because remember the t239 like this thing's been in development for like since 2020 And it's kind of like well now we're getting towards 2025 and maybe nintendo's like we need something Newer to make our system last longer and because of that that's pushing back manufacturing plans And obviously we are getting new dev kits out and so like that's going to push everything back a little bit You know So that that that could obviously be a reasonable explanation as well now again This is all behind the scenes stuff that I have no idea. I'm just speculating So that's what those looks like one thing is like a hardware related manufacturing thing Um another aspect could only this is the only real reason I could see where anyone would even imagine software It wouldn't be to get the lineup for the whole first year setup, you know, like they did in 2017 It would be because the launch game Isn't ready Whatever that is if it's if it's mario if it's mario kart whatever they want that big Defining game So if you think about it breath of the wild really defined switch when it came out that big defining game Maybe there's just been a development delay with that and that's not where they want it to be Because they know this game has to be near perfect And if it's not and they feel they need more time for it We know nintendo has been always willing to delay their development of game They've done it time and time again delayed the development again I mean mario wonder made without even having a development timetable. Well, when you're launching a system, there's clearly a development timetable so what if Say it's a 3d mario say they think that's what it is What if it's just they realize now? Man, we're we're gonna have we're not gonna have this done kind of for holiday for a state of the game that we're actually like Proud of this needs more polish And so they're like we're gonna push it back a few months just to make sure that defining game Is ready. Those are the only two reasons. I can really think that nintendo would actually delay it Um, but to go into also why i'm still in the 2024 train And again, I know this is a strange point kind of follow me down the rabbit hole a bit uh every outlet that has confirmed Or you know Had their sources on this all of them are overseas or in other countries Okay, uh even bloomberg, which is technically the united states outlet the reporter is takahashi machizuki who's actually located in japan um so I sat here for a moment and I was wondering about Because the one thing you're never going to hear when people say we have sources They never tell you where the sources are from what developers. They are right You can make a natural presumption that like vgc and and euro gamer that they're more centralized in the uk So a lot of the developers they would hear from are from the uk or europe That's what you assume That's where they're closer to then when they go to medium press events That's the those are the developers at those events. So that's the connections they would make right Uh, and you can you know, obviously the guy out of brazil. I don't know, you know I presume he's got three three different countries He said his sources are in one of them. I presume is brazil the other two countries I have no idea the reason I throw this all out here And this is without listening to if nate the hate update or anything because he is from the united states uh is that The united states and japan are nintendo's two big primary markets Um and nintendo has staggered the release of console launches in the past And I think people are forgetting that even the switch was technically not a worldwide launch march 3rd 2017 It had staggered releases in many different countries and one thought I had is One thing nintendo might be worried about just because of the success of switch And is that the demand for switch two once it's announced in the games are shown could be so high That even without a pandemic they might be anticipating 2020 level problems with stock I I think that's a very correct assumption. I think and if that's the case They might not want to launch it worldwide because it's going to be too hard to keep up And it'll just be ended up with lots of consumer frustrations So instead focus on their couple biggest markets at launch and then start staggering a new launch like every couple months And that could be why hey, maybe don't have your games ready until the system actually launches in your territory now the counter to this It's a very easy counter A lot of these studios when they make games they release them worldwide So like why would that even matter to tell them that? But it's one of those things that maybe nintendo even wants staggered staggered game launches to go along With all the launches of the systems in given territory. Hey, the system just launched you got this whole back library But also here's a new one that you didn't know about yet So that's it's just a theory and this isn't saying that like oh, it's not true because we don't know for sure If there's a united states, you know, it's just a theory guys. It's not meant to be like That serious it's just giving The fact that we don't know what the memo says because the only quote We have seen that is very consistent from every single source is Nintendo has told us to have our games ready by quarter one of 2025 Okay, are you presuming them because of that that it's launching then or did the nintendo actually put in the memo We are launching our system or we're planning to launch our system in quarter one of 2025 That hasn't been quoted anywhere. The only consistent quote is the have your games ready have your games ready. So Uh, we'll see what happens obviously, but that is where I am at and uh, this is one thing I want to make clear. This is all opinions I don't know why people do this like oh, see you were wrong. Got you No, I always reserve the right to change my opinions as new information becomes available I think it's actually intellectually fraudulent to not let your mind be changed as more information comes out Because if you're not then that means you're very close minded So this is just where i'm at right now Literally they can tease the thing in march and my whole mind could change or there could be brand new reports With a whole bunch of and that could change my mind Or you know, there's a lot of different things and I am gonna tell you right now I am not stupid These outlets are reliable outlets. So them all saying this Yeah, if it's 20 early 2025, it's early 2025. That is something I've already kind of accepted But I'm just not all the way there because I don't feel like I feel like there's less clarity with this Then we've had in the past and I don't have that level of clarity personally But again, my mind can change. Yeah, and to add to your point. They um, the switch did come out Three years later in brazil, right? It was in 2020 You know compared to 2017 so it also came out like a year and a half after the initial release as well I can see the stacker kind of released. Yeah, yeah So that's like the biggest argument is that they still could be staggered because The biggest thing is like Mike brought up the the developers when nash meadow put out there That he had heard and he's been fairly reliable so far Uh, that yes, he had heard he's know some developers that have gotten the memo And this isn't like a joke and it's not nintendo trying to suss out fake leakers That was like he was people were wondering if this was planted and then he also said but I also have a couple developers That haven't gotten the memo at all that are working on switch two games So it's kind of like well all the developers aren't being told but only some Yeah, you know, it's a couple things one it's possible that they haven't been updated yet But that's it's a little odd, right? Yeah, especially when the news broke like that You figure they'd be trucked up your teams, but I think it's also worth noting though that No, obviously, you know, a lot of people don't seem to want to trust nash weadle Even though he hasn't been wrong about anything Um, could be wrong eventually. He's got a lot of right right and that that is fair, right? But it's over time More and more things get corroborated by others that he said so like for example, a lot of people are buying into what we've heard from brazil about the Um, enhanced ports and backwards compatibility. Yep. Well, nash weadle told us about that two months before. Yeah, like months, right? So and then also with the dev kits two months before and so You know, maybe nash weadle is just predicting these things and getting it right ahead of everyone else Or maybe they are actually putting out this information before everyone else And so if that's the case, right it would be kind of weird if nash weadle's developer sources are outdated when he's been more You know ahead of the yeah up to date than anyone else Saying it before others did see right and that's true because maybe others don't want to speak on it Yeah, they want to wait till like it's further along maybe, you know, right? Yeah, and so maybe he's a little to a little bit more liberal like once Or maybe he's talking based on one source where everybody else wants to cooperate You know, they want to get that second source Example like some of the outlets said they heard whispers But they weren't going to make the report and then brazil put it out there And then they went and said well, let's turn these whispers into something and then they corroborated Like I don't think these people are reaching to the given exist So just like for vgc euro gamer blue mark I don't think these people are just like reaching out to developers all the time asking about so much too I just don't think that's what they're doing Um, yeah So like it's more so when rumors crop up if they're like, oh, I've kind of heard something about that So then they'll report on it and then they'll reach out and try to confirm. So I don't know But yeah, nash beetle. I mean so far has been decently reliable. I would say um, yeah, um But it's all rumors It's it's it's opinions Like all of my opinions are still based on all rumors Like the entire system even existing is technically still a rumor other than nintendo just is making something But they're always making something according to them. So yeah, well, I mean they are And who knows maybe nintendo's plan. Hey, you know what this this sounds more likely Maybe they're gonna end up dropping, you know, that's a switch mini or an oled light or something that she Well, I mean that I think that's happening regardless Because that's what happened in 2017 and 2012 Sure Yeah, I want to say something else though. Good Yeah, no, just um, so the thing is right, um like Um the whole jeff grubb thing right about metro prime 4 being this year You know last week he put out a podcast where he heard there's a metro plan for may but he also said it may be outdated information And he said it was the sources pretty good on stuff and then uh this week right we hear that Oh, his source is right about epic mickey. So it gives them more confidence that metro prime 4 is coming This is here because the source told him the same thing but Slanted to keep in mind here, right? Okay. So the source is right about an epic mickey announced that may be happening during a partner showcase Well, we already had initial rumors from multiple places that we were going to get a partner showcase And that switch to reveal what happened, right? They were coming from the same places So the partner showcase has been proven true But now because all these reports were assuming that the second half of the rumor has been outdated Right. And so we go back to the metro prime 4 thing And how you know, jeff grubb saw that the epic mickey part to from his source is correct Maybe the metro prime 4 thing Is different because plans change and they push they push things back, right? So I don't want to put that out there that you know We may be seeing like some signs of things that seem to suggest 2024, but that may just be because There was a plan for that and things were setting up for that and then All of a sudden really recent like maybe last week or the week prior recent plans changed, right? So that that could be why we're kind of seeing maybe some Sort of conflicting info, but not necessarily That should be playing anti-hopium just for the record. I don't want to be on team hopium, but Yeah, I mean look and I fully admitted like a lot of my thoughts Yeah, copium and hopium are like at the center of it because I just think it's tiring But I've been preaching 2024 for a while But I fully this isn't like me saying I'm not willing to be defeated. Um, it's it's I don't control any of this. I just It'll it'll probably Like if you just want to look at it at face value Sure Everything's saying 2025 right now There's there's not like anything That isn't other than like me with that weird speculation and reasoning and like digging into it But then you can call it investigation if you want really it's just searching for reasons to keep it in this year I'm curious what kid and christa feel how they feel about the uh Which two things I don't think they've made any videos on it on the the Not on the non-tendo podcast the the closest thing they've given to like their prediction is Like while I was saying earlier about the cleaning house. It's like they said they they feel like They their their prediction is that they think You know this month is like they fit a clean house. They give you the last of the updates whatever And I think that was before we should probably No, it might have been yeah, but yeah it was Yeah, yeah Um, yeah, they they were aligned with kind of everyone before the reports and so I'm just kind of curious because I think I saw They may be I don't know it it would just be interesting to see their opinion Thunder steve. What do you think? well, I would say, um Yeah, obviously guys. I want to play the switch to ASAP I think like all of us do I I do believe there's conflicting data out there as far as the rumors are concerned uh, I I think it's odd and That some developers like you guys said have heard about it Or got the memo from a nintendo while there's a rumor that other developers Haven't got anything from nintendo and I don't I don't think that's how nintendo operates Do you guys think that's how they operate? That they just forget to tell some developers. Well, that's a good question I asked christa because they used to work in the nintendo marketing department. So yeah, I just can't imagine that You know like yeah, I've worked in the corporate world for like 20 years Mm-hmm That's not how things go down like you inform you inform your partners. There's no way. There's just no way So that right there just has me really questioning things right out of the gate like hey not say that these rumors are false, but maybe Maybe they weren't interpret it correctly and it's hard for us because we can't see it and obviously that's that hasn't leaked So kind of like what what you said mic, which was interesting and I actually You know, obviously we're all searching for for ways that this is going to work Right in 2024, but what you said does make sense, right? There's always that launch window promotion. It's like a promotional period where nintendo will promote your games more Their marketing will promote it more if you're part of that launch window Otherwise you're paying for that out of your own pocket, right as a developer And so that is interesting and that launch window To my knowledge and all my years and you guys can probably correct me if i'm wrong, but that launch window has always been Six months six month launch window. It's always been that a nintendo treats it. Yeah Yeah, so okay, so say we're operating off that six month launch window makes sense that Hey, if you want to be part of this, you know the the launch promotion you got to have your game out by q1 2025 and so yeah, that could make sense if the switch to border release in october I could totally get on board with that. I think that's a really good idea So hopefully it is that but you know ultimately guys, it's like I guess We really have to wait for For the big end to speak up and let us know what's going on and reveal it The the release we might know you will throw 2025 in the reveal. I'm sure let's Yeah, right is march You know what's interesting blueberg suggested that early that early 2025 would be the earliest like like march 25 would be the earliest Yeah, so there's a there's a scenario where we have to wait even later, which just seems kind of unreal to me Let me ask you guys this okay And andreis you mentioned it a little bit earlier and I had this in my notes as well. Is that sure You know if we looked at last year You guys all remember that a lot of us thought they're like hey, we're getting zelda and then probably Probably nothing much more from nintendo right like nobody thought we're gonna be getting A new mario game super mario wonder super mario rpg pickman 4 No, nobody had that on their bingo card. Then it was like oh princess peach showtime luigi's mansion 2 hd Nobody really saw that coming. So then I got to ask myself. Okay. Well Everyone kind of doubted that that would happen Do we dare doubt them again this year if that happens? Because what if it does I mean what if the switch two doesn't come out and then we all say You know, well, I guess we're not getting anything else really from nintendo first party And then this happens again. They're like, oh We're getting metroid prime 2 metroid prime 3 metroid prime 4 possibly And then I got to ask this too This is like Can't get out of my mind is that you guys remember that leak that That happened for the uh, the lego Dq tree. Yeah, yeah That doesn't get out of my head man because it's like hey I was even I was telling my girlfriend about it. She probably doesn't care So I was like babe This is an obscure Kind of obscure character. I said he means something to me because I grew up Of course with all green of time. So that moment obviously With the great dq tree was really cool. It's one I remember However, there's a lot of people that this means nothing to them, right? Especially the younger generation that has never played this. This means nothing to them Why would you release that it has to mean something to well, there's a dq tree in breath of the wild Yeah, maybe it'll last alongside the fellow other movie. I just gotta wonder if we're gonna get The awkward enough time remake like what if that's the big game for switch What if it is and then and then none of us care None of us care because we're getting that and switch to we'll see you In q1 I have ways to cope each way if it comes to 2024 I can't wait, but i'm looking at it the other way to like hey if it doesn't You know, what's on tap? Yeah, and I said that earlier um earlier before the nintendo director and if we get if we wait until 2025 I don't mind waiting unless nintendo actually delivers with something that would say wow, okay, let's This is fine. I can wait Yeah, and then and then obviously we still have the other one that twilight and wind waker Who knows what's going on with that? True if that's even like still happening I'm so over twilight princess of a maker that even if they announce it at like the next director showcase for this year I'm just gonna be like Cool. I'm pretty good age from it. Would you like an applause? Thanks Yeah, I mean I'll probably still pick them up, but it's like Okay Like this probably what I feel like this would have did better earlier in the gen but but but thanks for I mean they might work. They might do pretty well I mean if it's backwards compatibility to like it'll be fine then My you know, my whole thing is like what if they don't sell very well And then it just ends up becoming like the wind raker hg and try the position on we you Where like they're impossible to get and they're super expensive Yeah They're gonna sell like 3d all stars Maybe or not like temporary Depends on how well I just mean like it's gonna sell like hard cakes I mean they could do it even yeah if they do a collector's edition sure Maybe it is limited release, but please no no don't even bring that up None of this fomo crap from nintendo again. That was such bs limited release time that was bs Man mario, is it at that mario game that they recently saw the mario was in mario 35 That was really fun and then just gone I mean it's all gonna be gone and they just did it. I'm like no Just no this is not okay. You think we get something next year though It's hadn't even did it with jump rope challenge to the big 40 down to for I don't know what reason to take it I don't know why they took jump rope challenge out. It was a free game. They made you in the pandemic I don't know what the problem is You know, maybe it's free. That was the problem had the worst free next. Yeah I Was sell for a dollar then geez at least leave it on the e-shop Uh separate doc Eric you got you got any thoughts on this before we get to the extra rumors that are attached I hear 20 25 and I want to flip this desk I know there's a lot of So Eric might not be here next week, but he might do a cold open himself. Yeah, you might hear me from Uh, where I think I'm going to green bay next week. So you might hear me from there Yeah You see the Packers Yeah, I'll be right around there. Yeah Nice as I tell everybody where I'm gonna be I'm gonna hunt you down that's a smart thing to do. I don't know Oh, I mean you and like 300,000 people that live there. I mean there is that But they could pick you out from a crowd They possibly could just shave I might be I have moves about 10 years when I shave so Yeah, they're not looking for little boys. They're looking for a man I'm not quite 40. I'm not a man yet. I think if I got recognized in a crowd, I would I don't know. That'd be like a such an achievement for me. Like, oh my god, you know, I've had it happen a couple of times. It feels pretty cool. It happened. It happened. It happened at PAX. Yeah Yeah, that makes sense. That's pretty cool. Yeah, I'm not gonna like downplay it. But like, yeah, everybody's there for that Not content creators like just fans. Yeah, that's kind of cool. Um Yeah, I just don't want to be mr. Beast or I can't even like leave my house. Oh, yeah I like my micro celebrity status. What is it? He needs to buy like his own country but Talk about celebrity hood, uh, and like, you know, we get a public I think find out something really interesting and I think it was genius Michael Jackson with his kids The reason why he always wore He put the kids with the with the mask in public when they were together Was so that they they could actually go out on their own later on with the nanny and just be like regular kids So they were able to go to supermarket theaters and do everything Because nobody recognizes them because whatever they were with Michael Jackson, they had that Mask on top of them. So that's pretty cool. Smart. If you should do that So Yeah, okay So to get into uh, so other rumors that are attached to this and again, this is because the original report Uh, this guy goes by the name brazil online At least on fami boards. He he does have a twitter account as well that he doesn't actually tweet from that often Uh, but he put out some posts on fami boards that are interesting now He's just saying I want to clarify before I get into this He's just saying this is what he's heard at the moment things can change So don't like get mad at him if this isn't the exactly how it goes This is just him being upfront with what he's heard since the delay Um, he has heard that there is going to be a general or many he doesn't really know Some sort of direct that's supposed to have first party nintendo stuff Uh in april Okay, uh, and then there's going to be an indie world sometime before that his opinion is probably march But it's going to be before the direct either way That's that's what he said and then the switch two will actually be revealed in june which to me Uh, the only the here's the thing about the june room. By the way, nintendo has done a lot of system reveals in june It's like a very common month for them. You're mostly because of e3 in the past um I've been thinking about this june reveal for a bit By the way, I actually like the the whole april direct thing If you think about that you have a partner direct quickly follow my pokemon presents And then an indie world next month and then all of a sudden a big nintendo direct in april And then you skip a month and boom Just drop the bomb and here switch to Yeah, we visit think on this ocean in may anyway. Yeah, I mean look it's it's like to me That's we're going to look back at the first six like coming into Even now like if you're not excited about the partner stuff You're kind of like man, this has been a really boring news cycle a really boring nintendo All of a sudden by the time we get to june we'll look back at the last six months and go damn Nintendo was just dropping lots of bombs all the first six months even if they weren't dropping the games yet That makes sense Makes sense But I mean from that perspective like even if switcher doesn't come out this year from a news cycle way like we're going to Knowing about it. There's going to be updates all the time. It's going to be mentioned in every direct moving forward the rest of the year Yeah And they're and they're going to review games They they never just don't they they're going to reveal the system with a game or multiple games So, uh, that gives us a lot to talk about so for my perspective the youtube kind of greater. That's great. I want this all to be true Um, I also would just love it to be revealed march, which I again I don't know if uh, Nate the hater of the primary one behind I don't know if he's uh providing an update here. We'll probably know tomorrow Uh, but the big thing for me with this is also If people thought about well if it's revealed in june then what wouldn't come out this holiday I'm starting to get off this train of thought that I that we've had for a while that nintendo's doing this whole Announce and shortly released three or four months later. We've been talking about this for a while like oh We worked so well with switch and this is the way all other technology companies do it I don't know that nintendo is actually planning to do that Um, it very much could be at least the six month cycle where they announced in june and then this was to be nine months Say the announcement june comes out march 2025. That's nine months So seems wild to me. I know and it does seem wild But then when you actually go look at nintendo's history, they're like they're usually doing a year plus It's actually very very common that they give us more than a year So I sat there and I'm like and I know history. What does history even mean? We have a brand new person in charge and that history hasn't always worked out for nintendo We had a year and a half to hype up we you and they failed to do it So like just having time doesn't necessarily mean You could do and obviously we we've seen that a lot of these Announced really soon really just gets the hype going like crazy So as I said, it's hard for me to believe nintendo would do it, but then also they've been doing it. So I It's kind of like If people like well if it's coming out march, they're not going to reveal till october That's what a lot of I've heard a lot of people say like oh, we don't buy this june thing Because they're not going to announce until october They're going to do the same thing with switch and now it's october release release in march And that would be hype and fire as well But I just think that nintendo The one argument I can see where nintendo maybe wants a longer marketing cycle at least nine months or at least six Maybe nine possibly a year if it comes out later in 2025 god forbid Would be that nintendo thinks they want enough time To convince everyone why they need to upgrade from switch Because if it's going to be if it comes out in a very similar form factor Looking like it has very similar features detachable joy cons and tabletop mode And it's a switch that you could dock and take with you, but now we have a new fancier dock. Okay, but oh Well, it's got 4k. Well, okay people don't care about that Why should we upgrade and I understand the exclusive games are obviously the that's why we buy systems Maybe buy them for the games not just these just games in general we buy systems for But the general consumer often likes to be excited about the tech And I think switch provided a very exciting tech argument To build a type. Yes, breath of the wild was a huge factor But also, hey, did you know you could play at your tv? But then just grab this bad boy and go on a walk with your dog. That was literally the reveal Grab the dab thing going to walk with your dog. Yeah, it's like how do they do? You're sitting on the bench taking a break. Hey, what's the thing I'll play this get home Put it back on your dock and play full screen. So Um, if they don't think there's going to be an easy way to have a convincing technology marketing Maybe they want more time to try to slowly convey That you absolutely want this system just like you wanted switch Yeah And maybe they think they need more time to do that because they want to Some of the things they want to slow or a lot are going to be like new Features that might not be harbor related but are easily explainable in a longer marketing thing Like maybe it's a a whole brand new approach to nso Or maybe it's a whole brand new approach to the e-shop or the the the ui or maybe there's like the Let's say as an example that they they bring achievements and they want to make a really big deal How out of how achievements work and show people this is why you want achievements And here's what's going to go on and we're going to actually use our games that are coming with this system To market some of this stuff and give us that long trail marketing that will eventually go damn I need this now because the the biggest thing you'll see like when they bring out like new phones and stuff They get people that want them right away. It's not just we all we already know We already know in the next iphone's coming comes the same time every year Know in the next androids and all the they all come at the same time every single year We already know this But what gets people to want to buy them right away is Even though all the i like this is like the 14 they all look the same at this point Yeah, that's not what apple does in their marketing They focus on the little things and they make a big deal out of it on this is why you want to upgrade that one And I think nintendo knows if people look at the box. They might just think it's a switch I already have one and they want to go no no no We need time to focus on the little things And make people think these little things are actually a big thing and they might actually be a big thing Yeah, like maybe they're maybe maybe the maybe as an example has to Yeah, it could be a street pass situation. Uh, it could be Maybe I'm just throwing this out here as a possibility. I we don't know But what if like yeah, we have our traditional doc But then one of the key features they want to show is that they're actually going to have an accessory that allows you to Wirelessly beam it to your tv instead So you don't even have to get up off the couch to put it on like an airplane or something And by the way, this already exists. This technology isn't new just not popularized Right. It's not a popularized technology yet. So I'm not this isn't me saying there won't be a gimmick or something They'll they'll probably something there'll be cameras or or something going on But I just kind of view it as Nintendo's always had a long marketing cycle and maybe they're just going back to that and and this could be why they feel Like they need that marketing cycle to get people used to the idea of hey, this is the final run for switch Enjoy it We have this thing coming be excited be hyped get your pre-orders in Again, and this would be obviously would be arguing for it to come out in 2025. See this is what I'm saying Like I'm Hope you and copium and reasons that you know 2025 is realistic. So Yeah, with with an internet directing and the partner showcase The indie direct I think is very believable just because march. We already have princess speech showtime, right? April we have nothing so they can shadow drop A game there on that internet direct and so from that May is endless ocean isn't it may second Then then then they will announce the rest of the year for switch, right? Then you know from from from that period to to to November Then the following in june Then let's do I mean it doesn't seem so far fetched That's actually it only only seems far fetched if you think it's going to be a short If you think 2025, but then you also think it's going to be a short marketing cycle because June sure marketing cycle would be september october or somewhere in there. Yeah And I will still put it I will I will say this weren't we just thinking still september october with it revealed in march. Yeah. Yeah So like I don't really know how this is really any different You're just pushing it back a few months Which is exactly if you actually think about it the june the talking about it being shown in june What's it doing? It's pushing things back three months. What's the rumor the launch has been pushed back three months So isn't this just shifting everything? From what we thought it was You know just shifting it three months The whole thing seems like and again this assumes that this is the plan and as you know the plans always change Yeah, he's doing the jeff grub thing now because he's like hey, I've been in this for a long time I'm not going to give like exact promises. This is just what I've been hearing What the biggest thing I take away from this is nintendo has a game plan For the next six months their game plan is they want to do an indie world They want to do a direct they want to reveal switch to sometime in this time period That's like nintendo's future announcement plans. So how they do it when they do it, you know, those kind of particulars can always change Yeah More time to save to buy the switch. Yeah, I gotta save, you know at least 1200 Maybe more uh people might you wanted you wanted to bet me and I'm like, well, what if I got to buy a fourth one now? No And I'm like, uh, you okay, then I'm buying a fourth one. I Look, I know I might have like the most subscribers here. Are you rich? Do you think I am? Well, bama just made you a little more rich richer with the 10 members Yeah, bama huts. Bama huts always the go to the gifted members. I swear, man Shout out bama. Huh, man. Thank you so much. I don't stand by the way We do this thing where if there's like 10 gifted members or a $50 super chat to stand for 15 minutes. That doesn't happen here This set isn't completely Ready for that right now when we do I have a new a new bet if you win Bama hut buys you a switch if I win I Told you needs to go to the gifted I think bama hut is just on his own trying to get us all the way up to 600 so we can add new emojis There's been so many new emoji requests But there was a time like two years ago that we peaked and gifted members and we hit like 575 So I can't add anything until we get to 600 So if you want more emojis, I'm like, I can't I'm really sorry Anyways, thank you so much bama and look at all those all those new members you guys are the latest members of the board Prime I appreciate it. You got to get thunder steve back in here thunder steve. Just keeps popping out You know, he's he's planting his little robotic plans over there Getting the robot army ready So I talked a lot you guys give me all your thoughts on all these rumors Remember indie world direct june reveal flipping table still there Yeah, I would say I don't I don't really have anything to add to that I mean, I kind of track with and agree with what you're saying. It's like, I mean we can sit here and say Oh, it's gonna be march or it's gonna be april. It's gonna be may like. I don't know it's I've between now And I was or between like march and like summertime I think we're getting news about it and some it's something's gonna happen in some sort of time frame And once that news drops then it sets, you know, that sets the ball rolling And we all can kind of expect what happens from there Um, and I mean that's just you know, I don't I don't and I don't think I'm not trying to say like I mean if you anybody else has like something a point that they have to argue on about it that could go for it But I was just like, you know, I don't I'm like, oh, it's march to april. Yeah, I don't know I I would prefer if the switch was in 24, but you know No, no, it was doing a thing. So No, Mike was trying to pressure rama. He said now now no free switch to yet Oh Thank you for hearing me by my thank you for watching watch it watch it be like $200 and he's like, oh, yeah, don't worry about it But onto um on switch to think I something if it's if it's revealed or announced this year coming out this year That's that's where I stand Okay, same year where put it appears. I mean might be wrong, but what what are we thinking over there steve? Is he pondering? I'm still I'm still on that 24 bus until proven otherwise. I And and I say proof and otherwise even though there's no proof anywhere obviously of when it's coming out, but Just got feeling Everything we've been leading up to it The amount of games that have been announced Everything just feels like it's going to be 2024 Um, I got here from nintendo to really believe 2025 and as far as you know this timeline for For the indie world the general direct and the switch to reveal Maybe it sounds right It does. I think it's great. You know, we got the pokemon next week and like you said Having the indie world then the general direct in april and a switch to reveal in june I feel like that's got some pretty good momentum behind it. I like it But if we guess what's your review on june, it's it's coming out this year. I think the big question The question is when do we see the price drop? That is the big question If it's not this year holiday So if the announcement's to june then holiday season I think if they announce switch to in june, they'll drop the price sooner If there is no switch shoe announced this year, then they will drop it this holiday because no nintendo Like this We'll know a lot more in may That's when they do their financial briefing and then they give us the projections for the next fiscal year I'm like I I like maybe i'm nuts But I I think nintendo is going to project seven million or less switch itself in the next fiscal year And I was crazy dropping for 15 and they just upped their project I'm like, yeah, I understand They just upped it a half million because they sold a little bit more during the holiday season Then they expected but it was still down year over year and nintendo right now doesn't have a hype game to push And there's all this stuff swirling about switch two And I kind of think nintendo might be finally hitting that point and look at our lineup a bunch of remasters Like even the third parties a bunch of remasters Kind of just hitting the end point and I think nintendo knows it and that also might support why they would announce it in june Just knowing that hey, we just know we're not going to sell a lot of these no matter what we do So let's just start hyping the next thing But that's me may may it will be telling maybe nintendo will project We're going to sell 10 million because they they always here's a nintendo's projections are based on things we don't know about Like they what they're planning to do that we don't know so That that projection is going to tell me a lot So we'll we'll see what happens then Yeah, the only reason I go for for for switch to reveal same year release same year Is what uh with the president says in temporal college. He said he didn't want the he didn't want that that Clip he wants to he wants to transition and to continue the momentum from one console to another So that's the only the entire reason but you know nintendo has led to us before Not not they're not angels All right, anyone else have anything to add or we'll just get to the fan topics Yeah, I was just gonna say one thing. I still think about paper mario 1000 year door. Yep. Yeah, and those screenshots man with colored buttons Bringing that color button theory around baby. Well, yeah, it wasn't that bad. And what about uh, was it ease nordics? Didn't they have Games or something now at this point with it. Yeah at least five Just feels like it's near Things are near, you know, this we have like, oh the next pigment or direct What if they drop colored buttons on a bunch of their games and i'm like, uh, okay I mean, I don't see switch to with color buttons. It doesn't mean anything. It's just a theory But yeah, I'm not on board with that color thing But I do I do agree that they might receive the release in an addition. I will note I did not see color buttons on endless ocean They were they were all blue but the ocean Um I If if we're done with the switch topic I think I think it'd be useful to touch on the I don't know Do we care enough about the elden ring trailer that elden ring dlc? I'll be there day one. I'm gonna switch. I'm excited We were talking about going to switch to absolutely just it just no just the fact like I haven't played much of elden ring, but I did live stream the trailer and I'll just say It looks awesome. It looks so fucking cool I haven't even beat elden ring. So like I was like, I know that if I beat elden ring This would probably be like super fucking hype, but instead it just kind of reminds me of more of a game I haven't played much of yet. So ps5. I so much to look forward to an elden ring still, you know, like I so much I mean this game I mean this looks like The dlc that's what's exciting me about it is it looks like almost a here's the kingdom kind of thing where It looks like it's adding new areas and then also revamping the old areas because they were showing a lot of footage of They were showing a lot of footage of old areas with new enemies and new things And so it makes me think that I think the the deal I mean, this is my theory and I think is what's very, you know, kind of evident in the trailer is that There it's like once you you know, when you you become the elden lord or whatever Shadow of the earth tree descends upon the land and I think everything in the land changes And then you might have like new areas and all that kind of stuff So that I I've been really excited for because not because then that makes the whole Overworld become a new, you know, as I say you you change you make the whole overall that is there, you know Reexplorable and redoable again, but then you also have new areas that'll be really cool and new bosses and everything else But yeah, that that's all I wanted to do that. I saw a play today. So Recommended system. What's what do you recommend playing on? I played it on pc Because I'm all I have is pc and switch. I don't have like a xbox or a playstation anymore Ever since I got my pc So, I mean, I'm always pc master race like if you can get it on pc get it on pc Yeah, uh, but I hear Yeah, here it's pretty good on ps5. Yeah, here's just a great experience on ps5 That was what that was my second choice. No, I'm gonna get if it's on sale because it's been a while Yeah Well, have you have you played it like have you played it before? No Dude is Well, I mean, have you ever played a souls born game? That's another question. No So if you don't like A game being very challenging like if it's a If you like a channel, oh, you'll love this if you like brother the wild slash like open world kind of vibe And then you like a challenge like these games will challenge you like they will they will test your metal and your mental health People break their controllers over over the souls game I I playing this one. There was one boss. I left a dent in my desk. It was bad Yeah, it was yeah Anyways, they're always infamous for that But this one is just like it's so well designed in terms of it's like world building and and like lore But then also just like how many different classes there are like different ways you can play this game Like you can be you know, you can be a mage and just Press the wind button and like I say the press the wind button But you still have to have like, you know skill and dodge things or you can be my build that I did was I had I was a double katana Samurai and I would like one of my katanas would do this thing where like on the first strike It would Fucking like whip out like a like, you know how like in skyward sword where you like hold it up and you You flick it and it like does like a beam of energy It would do that but like I'd just be standing there and then I would like all of a sudden Whoosh, and then I get the second one out and had like a bleed It was it's just a really cool like you can build so many really cool like characters It's very almost like anime esque where it's like you have, you know, all these crazy things and there's like Melee, you know, you can learn melee techniques and I don't know. Anyways, I just Very really is amazing It's it's a feat. I mean it is it is a feat of gaming I would say it's like one of the best games of all time. Like it is it is up there with if not the best game all time Um, anyways, that's my praise on Elm ring and my piece about the dlc. The dlc looks really cool. I'm excited I are Andre. Yeah taken in buddy. What's up? Hey Um, no, just um going back to switch two thing. I didn't really talk about it. Um, I was waiting. Oh, yeah, sorry Um, we're good. Uh, no, it's still an interesting thing because I I think you know as you guys were saying like We really don't know what the hell is going on. There's too much There are too many variables right now, you know, I I feel like the safest assumption just because of the repetitive You know, just how reputable all these sources are we probably should assume early 2025 But just to throw a little bit of a little bit of fire to the hopium copium, uh, you know train Uh, something I noticed during the partner showcase today is that a particular game That was really fueling the summer speculation of a switch to launch was Curiously delayed even though they already knew the release date They already knew summer. Yeah stone and it was summer summer. Yeah, right. So let me explain exactly what's going on So fantasy life by Yeah, um during the uh visions, uh, it's like basically, uh, you know, their version of the Uh, their own version of an entomo direct, right when they're talking about their different games um Fantasy life I they they said that the game was coming in summer And they actually said also said they have a specific release date in mind But they are not revealing it due to strategic reasons, which is very curious But it became more curious because also they talked about how it's coming to nintendo switch, but they also said Um, something along the lines of other console to be determined something like that There's a little bit of a translation Issue there, but something to that effect, right? So a lot of people were really kind of speculating Oh, is this tied to switch to in some way, right? And before these recent reports A lot of people were really buying into the idea that we could see a september launch Which technically first three to september fall under the summer window, right? So that was kind of like the interesting conversation Now fantasy life on its own is not that big of a deal, right? It's a cool game You know, a lot of people enjoyed it back on 3ds Um, and the idea wouldn't be that fantasy life is like this big switch to launch title but the idea actually is is that Nintendo's going to launch a bevy of games at launch as they typically do right switches the exception, right? And so now that intel is kind of proven that that the switch family is good for third party support There could be a series of games that are actually meant to come out as an initial wave, right? and so now fantasy life After this recent reports that have come out about a a pushback, right of switch 2 It's not coming out october and no longer summer even though they knew the exact date They knew the exact date in october by no stretch of the imagination is summer september is a stretch summer not a stretch Summer is just i mean october is not a stretch. It's just not It's it's fall It's it's fall So something weird has happened there, right? Um, and so, you know, i'm just kind of throwing it out there like what if You know, what if there is a still one of a fall release is still on the cards I don't believe it. I want to believe it, but I don't believe it So i'm just just kind of putting it out there though. It's interesting. I believe it load it out Order the up. All right um Let's go ahead and get into the q&a guys Oh, if you want to submit questions again two dollar and up super chats. We already have a few in here This this question is probably more for me coming from rory great panel as always. Well, thank you Um, the panel is wonderful Will joysi jb on the panel next time she comes on for zelda And uh, I don't think zelda is going to be a topic for quite some time unless something crazy happens Yeah, she's also not loud enough to replace eric So, yeah But she is she is on an entombed podcast on friday night if you want to know there you go there you go There you go the way who oh is this a part? Oh, she's one of the moderators from our chat But she comes on frequently your stuff um We had a final super check up in from venata 712 see an unrelated question been playing octopac Octopath traveler finally if you've played it. Who did you choose as your first traveler? haven't played I played that's more talking than usual I first Like two characters and I started with the banker guy Um, I'm probably the exact name Well about years back when it first when it first came out the first demo for the original octopath traveler I remember playing as the girl that's like a dancer prostitute or something Oh, I point this is primrose Is that is that what she is? Yeah, I think years ago rose. Yeah. Yeah. I need to go back to them though. I want to I played whoever the healer one chick was hold on. I'm trying to look up the exact care It's sad. I'm really mad that I don't remember the character names Yeah, it's actually upsets me for me Octopath I'll play the yet looking forward to playing it soon That was my first character in that that I play obviously you use all of your back and play that It's great. Now is the second one does technically a prequel on phones Pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah This this question is definitely for me. Patrick molar. How are you Nate? I Am very busy. I have many I someone actually noticed on the thing I did today You ever not work. You seemingly are crazy lately. My schedule is insane at the moment I don't know when it's going to stop being insane, but it is what it is Um, let's see here. We got uh projo 210 says does nintendo have one major switch title release I you talking about for this year one more or one more for this year Maybe like if it's an in general party No, it's gonna be a question of what the major poke. Yeah, I must say you could maybe are you pokemon? That's probably when I would say yeah, pokemons one that we'd be pretty sure are gonna get like Yeah, but if you're talking like in house nintendo I think that's a prime four I think that's a prime four. Yeah, if it yeah, if at all it'd be prime four If it if it still exists out there exists, I think Funny thing is I understand like why some people want it to just be like wait for switch shoes It'll be a better version of it. Yeah, look they announced this game in 2017 Just show it to me, please. I don't even care if it's not coming out till 2030. Show me the game Can we see it this year, please? I think we have to see it this year no matter what there's no way we don't see it this year Like I just need to see it. I'm tired of the rumors. I'm tired of the digging through high Stuff trying to piece things together. Like I love you. Supermental Dave. It's getting old When some of you guys, you know, get sick of the switch to rumors sick of this Okay Well, I'm sick of talking about Metroid point before only in the context of hypotheticals based on higher Stuff or what's listed on a profile. How about like, let's just see a game It's it's it's been It would do we're getting to the point where if it doesn't come out till next year or doesn't get revealed till next year I started to go, man, we're only two years away from this being announced a decade ago Don't be surprised that the studio's will try to recruit you in the game You put me at the prime and they'll try. Hey come work with us and work up work I like in this the probably people that were waiting for the the shadow of the colossus sequel all those years Because it was announced like a decade before it came out. Oh, yeah, I remember that Those poor people Oh, man What else we got Anyways, I'm another any other major release. How do we think may happen besides Pokemon or Metroid? I'm gonna go ahead I'm going to go on Who said it? Um, the arena of time remake. Yeah That's some hope you're there You know, I hope it works for you. Yeah I mean Go ahead I'm gonna be that guy. Um Sorry, but I I'm I'm a I'm a fighter for octane time remake But the reason I think octane time remake makes sense is because historically speaking Nintendo remasters remakes a zelda early on for a new console That's why you do it to bring in the zelda fans But you don't have a new zelda ready because we just got yours the kingdom. So putting it on switch one I don't expect it. I'd love to be wrong though Actually, no, I don't want to be wrong because I want to see octane a time like If this is like as good as possible, that's that's the that's the idea behind it. So, you know, I yeah But you know And this ocean that's a new nintendo game, right? Like let's let's not sleep on games like these like the t-table Like nintendo can announce more things like that Um, you know, like what if we get like a kid at chris game? That'd be great Oh, kidding or surprising even would be sick. I don't know if I call it major Because it's still not like a new game because you know What if we get switched to this year? I mean, we're There we go We're getting 3d mario, right? I'll put this out here because i'm curious because it always comes up in my chat. Who's people's favorite food? I answer that Or like type Whatever either or oh, I would say mexican food is is probably yeah, i'm such a slut for some text max bro Get that get that nice good case. So Me is spanish food. I say spanish food because I can't I can't do my Puerto rican food, you know That's for me. Um, but I say spanish foods and chinese Italian and uh, mexican for sure Yeah, I should say asian food because I like japanese too JBVQ man, that's also really or like a hot pot Now i'm just getting hungry. Sorry chat. We're getting hungry Yeah, the funny thing is i super chat of this and i'm on a diet and can't eat like 99 of the shit we're talking about Uh, eric Italian The pasta's good. I get it. I get it man. Look, I'm just gonna straight up say What's your name? I'm just gonna you know what? Fuck it. It's chipotle Here you go. That is a form of tex max. Is it is it not is it definitely lower on the totem pole of tex max? It is. You know what gets me. You know what gets me with it. It's that damn red hot chili sauce Yeah, that is good. I do I get that every time Well, the nice thing with chipotle for me is it's like if I need something fast But I don't want the grease of fast food. Like it's it's not like it's literally the best Healthy fast option you can get out there unless you go to like a salad place like chopped or uh, green or something like that Yeah, or panera. That's the only like healthy fast food. I can think of which and I like It's good and it's also like good. I mean it's fresh and they haven't had Yeah, they think you watch them literally cook it right there right on the yeah right on the hot stove. It's nice. So I mean Yeah I like so many different foods and right now on my very strict diet everything sounds amazing right now I mean, dude, I could probably eat a whopper and I don't even like burger king. So I'm I'm just nope. Nope not talking All right, why don't I'll just destroy one of amohad's 10 gifts and just say thanks again man. You get the 20 tonight. I appreciate it Boom any comes in good seeing you all great podcast tonight. I have a little much Hope you guys like my 10 minute 10 minute $10 One in for mr. Flicko forces. Hello, of course. Nothing is official until nintendo themselves says it's 2025 I love this or pioro It's basically considered a dude. I have I have an image. I made this chart I don't use it anymore But there's a leaker ranking chart I made at one point this year and at the very top it says basically nintendo and the only person there is pioro I mean a lot of people think he's basically nintendo anyways besides marketing the question they ask is what else Do you think can be holding up the release date or even an announcement? I won't even lie to you. Uh, not to get political for a second, but uh, literally Microchips in taiwan and the geopolitical Strains between china and taiwan and i was on my list of why one also of them pulling Uh, like they're like a lot of nvidia and a lot of uh, like microchip manufacturing is getting pulled to united states because of how Risky that investment is so that transition could also affect could affect that and I mean it's from Isn't the switch run on a nvidia board am I am I wrong? It runs on a nvidia board Yeah To run on nvidia, so Yeah, that's like in terms of like a logistical like real world Thing that could stop it. That's probably that's probably my number one thing if if it if it does I don't I don't think it if it really has. Yeah, it's like we know if I really have something to do Yeah, I would say yeah, we don't and if that even happens like within the Time frame of production, you know, I don't know but that's like they only Like they could have literally been making parts this whole time and it's just mass assembly. Exactly. Yeah, so anyways, that was not to be political But I was yeah, I'll I'll be political The Illuminati I'm gonna I'm gonna go deeper. I'm gonna say florida and the gators in the I thought you were gonna say florida people in general The fact that I learned To gta6's trailer that women are literally going out the sunroof and shaking ass. Yeah, this is like, uh As someone who lives in in miami Yeah, that's where the game is based off of Um, I find that I find the trailer a little offensive, but also probably somewhat true as scarily Because it's true So the thing is it's none of it's false. It's just kind of showcasing things the worst parts every day, right? You know like the crazy Game like you're gonna show the crazy. I've never seen a gator in my life, right? It's now I go in my backyard like oh man. There was a gator attacking that that this never happened You don't have gators in the suburbs unless you're like in the water works turn on the news the florida newsers gators every day Like this Murder have you been murdered? No I Think I think he is straight up said he's a little bit offended by that trailer. So it is what it is He wants something positive from miami shown. Yeah, it's yeah, it's down. There's a lot of real Here we go, there probably is a lot of positive depending on how you find it Orlando's Orlando the rest is just like oh like a swamp Yeah, I will be in Orlando in June briefly what briefly what um, all right So announcing uh, Nate as a guest at the topic podcast straight from the studio and here dog. Well, uh He's one of the crews with julia, right? Yes. Yeah, there you go. Yes. Yeah. All right. Um So anyone else have any other theories? Ideas I believe florida. I just agree with what you were saying as well. I think Part of me wonders if nintendo is watching real closely Just what's going on with the world But I don't want to discuss and I will not I got two theories like two actual theories that have nothing to do with the iluminati because I don't believe that um One theory Not It is just that It's not so much one particular game because nintendo has a really good development pipeline It's just nintendo trying to basically set up the best possible lineup of all time for 2025 and it had just have a cadence right a banger after banger after banger And so that's the only that that's maybe the explanation Um, I mean also, you know as flam was saying there could I mean there could be some issues with production But I feel like that's not the case from everything we've heard it seems like everything's right on time um And so the only other thing I could think is that well the reports are wrong Yeah, so Yeah, but uh, I but because they're they're reputable. I'm gonna be like, well, they're probably not wrong And it's probably just nintendo wind what we can always remind everyone lineup the same outlets switch pro Yeah Didn't happen now. I to be fair. I'm pretty sure I'm sure it didn't exist But there were some of these outlets being like this thing's being revealed like now and Yeah, the part that gets me is I remember they were saying that they were getting devs all excited like they want They want old ed to be announced before e3 because they want to show like well, you know They want probably because of there was gonna be like dev showcasing like e3 games and Like that was right beforehand. It just feels weird that they would have been able to pull that out like Yeah, it like in the only way I could see Maybe there was a lot of indications from nintendo back then that they were planning to show it at e3 or something So then like the devs could get all their stuff out and that's why all that stuff was happening in the couple of weeks lead up and then Maybe that's when it came across nintendo's desk like hey Uh factories are maxed out. We can't make your product Like maybe that's when they got the news from the factories that hey We're not going to be able to actually make your parts to do this And nintendo had to make like this hard cut like super fast decision like okay, we're not we can't do this now We got to pivot to something else Um, and that's when they switched over because they probably already had the panels They probably already had like even even you know, the new chassis They're like they probably already had some of that stuff already being made the thing that are waiting on was the chips And then they're like yeah, we can't Like you're you're not going to be able to get this like like you're You are you the delay for your chips is like a year or two years from now And then that the nintendo might have to like make a quick decision And I feel like it'd be weird to have to make a quick decision, but That pandemic time was very strange for every company that was making technology stuff Like they all had to make some very weird decisions Uh, so it wouldn't be surprising if that actually was the plan and nintendo communicated it and then they found out That like hey, we're just not going to be able to do this for you and they're like, oh Shit, and it just happened to be around e3 when they found out Like that that that would be a very awkward for nintendo You're planning to showcase stuff and then all of a sudden by the way, we can't make your shit Um, what especially during we're literally about to announce shit in like a week. What are we talking about? Hard pivot Anyways But again, this is all like behind the scenes stuff. We're not really going to know the only thing I know Or I shouldn't say no that I have extreme confidence in is that switch pro dev kits existed Yeah, that was the thing that they actually were in developer's hands. No real quick question Do you think if the switch pro did come out would that have saved e3? I mean literally kept it alive. I mean I mean to a certain extent though, I mean without having the switch pro there I think I think e3 died because it took away a lot of Possibility At that show. I know how to good show 20 it was still pretty solid. Yeah. Yeah, it was very good It was actually one of the better showings Yeah, but they wouldn't at the end You know, I feel like and maybe that was they maybe they were going to go at the beginning originally reveal the switch pro And then that would carry all these other shows because they'd be showing off all these games Maybe that's one of the reasons Maybe that's one of the reasons ubi stop women's walking simulator for the whole time because they were planning a bunch of switch pro Stuff and they're like, oh no, we can't do that. So I'll shit. No Walking simulator and what was the one they showed the one game a lot because you know, there was a guardians of the galaxy game They showed that one a lot. Yeah That one ended up being okay. It wasn't a bad game You know, it wasn't the showstopper they were hoping it was it was gonna be But I think that's because ubi stops running this thing where all their games just kind of feel the same The other thing though like like what would have happened they did switch pro Like how would that have changed the trajectory of the, you know, the switch life lifespan and the games we would have saw like I think it would I don't think it would have changed. Like I still think if it came out, what was it was supposed to come out in 2021, right? Yeah. Yeah Yeah, because that was the last e3. That's right. Yeah, that's when all those So I think what would have happened is switch to for sure would have been 2025 out the game That would have been the game plan for 2025 where we're add we're adding an extra year for sure Uh, and I do think that what they saw Um, because if you look at it switch, oh that quickly took over as the best selling thing and all it's offering is an OLED screen Right, like it's not like a huge thing. This thing probably would have that that horizontal panel Max mice is tabletop. Yeah, I know that it does. It does. It does. Yes, but I do think that, um See what because like sony when they dropped the playstation 4 pro its sales weren't like, you know, amazing And they didn't really even overtake the base playstation 4 in month over month sales But I think nintendo has seen with like the new 3ds that instantly became the best selling system everyone upgraded uh, they saw with the, uh Dsi that one didn't do that. That was more like a playstation thing So I liken this to if the switch pro Would have had, um better looking games and would have been able to play some older games better I think that nintendo Would have actually been able to extend the life because they would have been able to do something that they can't do right now And that is sell people a another system People there's a lot of people I know that I would have bought. I would have upgraded to an OLED because it's the same system Yeah But if it would have been more powerful and added more more made the games actually look better And you could argue the OLED screen does that but I mean even on your tv make it look better Then I think that would have literally at that point. I mean, how many systems did they sell at that point? I mean, they were like 80 90 million Like that would have been like, hey, we potentially have 50 million of these people that might want to upgrade and suddenly the system's Way past 150 million in sales Yeah, I'll upgrade So I I do think that that it could have extended the life an extra year Um, and then then I mean even now look switch you might not come up with 2025 But imagine that people aren't bitching as much because we already had an upgraded switch Yeah People want to be more patient as well like in the marketplace. We'd be more understanding of a 2025 release Yeah, switch only killed switch only kind of killed switch light sales Because we wait we can play on mobile with with the OLED screen and bring it That was the only addon right the OLED Yeah, I mean switches life prospect was always a more durable system because it doesn't have the joy con thing for kids And to be cheaper for parents That was kind of the sell And what we've discovered and nintendo has put out there that most people that play switch are actually adults And the switch lights when the worst selling one ever since it came out Yeah So yeah, my turns out that maybe kids. I don't know kids aren't being able to dock kills kills the light I agree At my my two girls have your interest. They don't have lights and they get careless about talking Yeah, my kids don't care about talking either Okay, well, you guys have kids. I know adults that have lights and they're like, oh, yeah, I wish I could dock it Sure The light market was I think supposed to be for kids. That was the point. Yes. Yeah Yeah, I mean think about it. It literally instantly came out with a bunch of fun color ways It was clearly intended for kids You want you guys want feel like it was better. I know I like my light better because it's but I'll also say this Most nintendo handhelds have a way to play on the tv during a generation Oh, here we go Here we go. Yep. Yeah, you're not wrong. You're not so it's like couldn't do that So you're I don't think that would have been a major selling point for the handhelds over the years I I just think that it takes value away from it, right? Like it's kind of like, yeah It's 200 bucks, but also it doesn't switch it doesn't it only gives you half the experience So it just it's not a good value proposition Also, I will say this Mike you might so my All of my kids have a normal switch I think I'm the only one in the house with an old led one. Um And They had lights at one point. They got stolen. That's what it is But so they have regular switches now. They don't really take anywhere out of the house unless it's a family vacation thing Um, and one thing they've started to appreciate once they got off the lights And I didn't think about this much because I don't like it is they literally play multiplayer games all the time together on the tv And they just use the split joycons. They don't even care I'm like all of us bitch about like oh, they're too small. They're too cumbersome Yeah, but when your kids are smaller, yeah kids just love it. They don't even care They don't get their hands don't get cramped. They just have fun. Yep. Thank you. So I agree So I I think like we always gotta remember not every feature is intended for all of us But yeah, I'm pretty satisfied with switch the way it is and hopefully satisfy the switch too when it comes out All right. Well, that's going to be it. I think unless Eric you want something that good. No other reason. All right, cool Uh, well, that's all the questions we had today. Uh, thank you guys so much for being here at the nintendo podcast season two episode 60 Uh, before we go around the room quick, I'm just gonna drop one little nugget I am Slowly working on plans to revamp the podcast and potentially launch season three with some changes So, uh, stay tuned for that. I don't even know about this. No, eric doesn't even know about this is very new I talked to agris about it a smidge like months ago uh, but some stuff I still gotta Figure out, but anyways One thing I will say about the podcast, uh, the new version We it will be shorter So for those that look like oh man, it's really long. I know it's really long. It's been really long for a long time We're still not gonna we're not gonna be like a one hour show. That's not that's not the 21 hours It's gonna be very It's not gonna change what you know and love it's just gonna You'll see every time we've done a new season It's always been because there's been a significant change for the show. So Anyways, thank you guys so much for being here. Let's go ahead and throw it around the room Say who you are and where they can find you Let's start with who we started with originally mr. Thunder steve What's up guys? So you can find me at thunder steve 85 gaming on youtube again. I review video games and uh Every everywhere else thunder steve 85 instagram twitter What twitch Tiktok, I think that's I think that's all the main ones. Thanks guys How much is in that collection back there? Do you have a you have a room tour? Dude, it's like it's massive man. It's massive and I got like 20 23 arcade games in the house I have to do a room tour video Yes, you really do. Yes, you do that video would pop off I got this and then I got my barcade in my house. So I gotta oh man Bar arcade in your house Where are you located in? Yeah, Arizona Where are you located? The guys are welcome over whenever you want in person podcasts at steve's house, and then we'll just uh party an after party a literal after party We go to a brewery spring training game. Yeah All right, um Andress and ruby What you guys got going on working to find you guys? Um, well, you can find us in a house somewhere in Miami I don't think they counts as doxing myself. Um People start knocking every door and then you're a good luck. That's millions of houses. Um, but uh Yeah, I'm just I talk about Nintendo every day and I love how I'm excited andress feels every time I tell them to advertise this channel. He's just like Yeah, don't watch I'm talking to no Yeah, I might quit youtube and so I work at a zoo with the monkeys too. Yeah, that's what I've heard. Yeah late Yeah, you can name name the monkeys like Not real talk I um, I feel I may seem kind of tired now because it's been a long day If we didn't get up very early for a live stream. Oh, yeah. Yeah, very early day today Yeah, and I still made a video after there was a long live streams into the video now this Yeah, I did I did I've done it's my fourth live stream today I also had a pretty rough weekend and by rough I'm not like a good weekend But like I would make content and because it was a weekend where it was a wedding with my friends So like we did something like every night So I'm gonna have time to real really recover No, because there's too much going on right now Yeah, I know that's great The last weekend and nuts and it's I don't know when it's gonna slow down. We got poke on next I kind of wish I didn't do my uh Direct review video because I knew that was going to be a smaller audience video And now there's several topics I want to discuss But I feel like I won't have won even doing the one video a day thing That's been a little bit more time on them Yeah, that's fine. Don't worry about it. But anyway, um, yeah, I talked about nintendo I got metroid stuff planned uh multiple metroid videos planned I guess um Oh, there's this stuff this stuff happening. But uh, if not, you know, I'll quit youtube and work with the monkeys That sounds good. Yeah, Mike Hello, I didn't think I had to say anything else. I figured you just started talking Mike Cool, man. You already said who you are. What are you guys going on? Where can they find you? Uh, you can find me here on uh, my god, I see on youtube um, my god, I see yt on instagram and to x twitter x x twitter and so um Monday to friday content uh daily news um friday nights, we have the topics podcast um at um 8 30 p.m um And uh, what else do I have going on? Well, I am in the middle of launching a brand new show Hopefully it's coming out maybe first episode of monday It's gonna replace my news episode honestly news is dying And i'm doing something brand new on the channel, which is still news related, but it's just New style because we have we have to evolve with youtube youtube is changing Yeah, youtube is changing. We have to change with youtube. So, you know, I've been doing this for already four years same format changing everything building Restructuring and again, I know i'm changing like between times already, but you know Uh, yeah, uh brand new show coming up can't wait to kind of show you guys. What's it? What's it about and It'll be really cool. So excited for the future Yeah, oh by the way, i'm not actually quitting youtube. That's a joke. Yeah I I may seem really tired right now, but i'm actually like i'm i've been all too late I've actually been feeling very inspired and I think we're yes Going on now we went from like nothing to like it's like an overload almost it's crazy. Yeah We're in the wave we're in the wave now again like Well, we're kind of in the ups upswing of like some stuff We're not quite where we want to be But there's now from where we were a month ago. This feels like refreshing. Yeah. Yeah We're the content creator for ideas for things like dude. I got discussion idea I got I got a whole notebook page full of discussion ideas that I wrote down earlier today And i'm like dude, why is this happening now? Why is everything just like flowing now in a month ago? I'm like Um, a month ago is january. We'll have we'll have a directed in february guys I would say three months ago. I was struggling to keep keep the at 200 subscribers per month We're at 1700 per month in and climbing. So we're we're we're going to the wave now. So it's happening Yep, taking it to the moon eric. Yeah What do you want more of? So I'm here except for the next two weeks So and over on the x-verse at emo 8790 as well Yep, I'll read it. Yep. He'll read it And hardly might even like it if you really might laugh. Yeah, you might laugh might drop a little what is it hearts on? Drop a little heart if it's like real funny. Yeah, I like that one or you'll send it to me Yeah, yeah, that'll definitely get said. Yeah All right Mr. Nintendo simp Of course, you can find me on twitch. That's where I'm my primary stuff is i'm a little twitch streamer variety nintendo content Uh tomorrow i'm hosting a smash tournament actually. So if you it's open to everybody anyone and everybody $50 e-shop gift card if you win so come and come and test your medal Uh Friday I got I got mario party. I like to do this concept called mario party, but where we do I take mario party. I say, okay, we're gonna play this mario party game, but Uh last place is first place or the computer is really really hard or we're gonna switch places every turn or stuff like that So either hack it or do it or excuse me. Sorry. I don't know how good about it But the thing if I if you follow anything today or whatever, please follow my youtube channel We are so so so close from getting monetized like we are we are we're like 30 subs short of being monetized So, yeah Watching live right now. What are you doing? Go click the link down below? Hold on to that channel. I have I'm actually posting like long form videos now So I have like a decent catalog of long form. I have I have a shit ton of shorts You can watch like it's yeah, I've been we've been we've been cranking that stuff out I got a lot of good stuff. I got stuff about we sports. I got yeah I got stuff about tiros about pokemon. I got pokemon deck lists Legal company. You can you name it. I got on there. Anyways, I'm I'm I'm getting into a flow finally with like my long form content So go go subscribe to the youtube channel. It helped me. I didn't realize it wasn't subscribed. I can't believe it Yeah, I'm here. I didn't think it was so fake. You know what I'm just kidding You got so Um, yeah What's that I got the same beverage buddy. Yeah, I got a little coke zero, baby Hmm not sponsored I drink it too. We're not sponsored Not sponsored Uh, so obviously guys know who I am on the host of the show nintendo prime We run the show every wednesday at 8 p.m. Sometimes i'm live on the nintendo prime youtube channel You can find it there to type nintendo prime on youtube. It'll pop up Uh, obviously post a lot of new stuff if you've found us through maybe the podcast or any other method We're also available pretty much everywhere that podcasts are heard We have a place that we put it up on pod mean and they just spread it out to everything Literally every app podcast if I download I always find my podcast there. So uh, they do a very good job of that and then As for anything I have I have coming up. Uh, it's just kind of the same old same old over the last couple weeks I've added in vertical game streams Uh, those have actually been a lot more fun than I anticipated Um I noticed that earlier today. I saw you doing that. Yeah Yeah, it only did it for like 55 minutes today and it still was really good And we got through the spirit temple in that time and it was it was good times. Uh, so Yeah, it's been kind of interesting I got a the biggest thing I want to figure out on the vertical ones which by the way people wonder Well, why aren't you just doing that like a normal stream? I want to I want to try to Uh, youtube is changed, right? Mike honestly talked about changes and one of the changes is there's a really big audience on shorts And not just for shorts also for live streams The way tiktok has them and so I kind of like experimenting with it and I found out that I've done game streams as normal streams and I I'd only get like a hundred viewers Um, whereas on tiktok, I'm I'm swimming in 300 400 500 at times. So um, It's it's I'm talking about live at once Obviously the overall viewers at the end are kind of a miss no more because people Anyone that flicks by for half a second, you know counts the view but um, So like you'll see the view numbers are really high, but it's sort of a miss no more I I just think that I'm reaching new audiences. We're gaining subscribers from that I'm starting to see people who show back up to the stream the next time I do it Um, because they I don't know if they turn on notifications for I don't know what they did So it's been a kind of interesting way to play games because I'm reaching a larger audience than I was otherwise because I'm not A video game live streamer. I am a news channel people like to come to my discussion oriented Streams not gameplay ones So the biggest thing for me is trying to figure out how to do a 16 by 9 game and make it look good In that format right now like oh arcane and time fits great. My drawers masks and s that that that fits great So how do I do a 16 by 9 game? Like I'm gonna have to zoom in some to make it look good But I don't want to cut off everything because it because I tried just putting it in there like this But then when I do that everything looks really small And I don't want it to be too small that you guys can't even see what's going on So like there's a whole trying to figure that I'm sure other people have already figured it out I'm just not there yet because it's new to me. So that's just a new thing to do I don't know if I'm gonna do it tomorrow I'll probably do one my goal is that's kind of doing them in the am before I really get going unless there's a Really big topic I need to get out the door, but we'll see it's been kind of random One thing I like about it is I just do it when I have time I don't really like plan them out. So there might be one tomorrow. There might not be one tomorrow. Uh, also Um, yeah tomorrow is my final regular live stream at 8 p.m. Which is the same time of this show But on thursdays, uh, we're you want to get deeper in the weeds on these rumors Let's get deep Let's go deep that'll be tomorrow. So dig deep, baby dig deep, baby All right Thank you guys for being here. This is the nintendo prime podcast. Thank you for uh, oh special thanks By the way to thunder steve and mike odyssey for both stepping up last minute For a couple guests that have some stuff going on I know I saw a few comments wondering what where jake is jake is good. He is alive. He is doing okay Just going through some stuff and it's up to him if he ever wants to talk about it. So Yeah, keep your thoughts and prayers Thoughts and prayers and and all the kind words we come for jake. We hope you know, whatever you're going through, man I uh, sincerely hope it's going well. He obviously knows a He's got sister fibrosis and other things. So um, he's talked about that publicly. So just Keep keep him in your thoughts guys. Hopefully he'll be back next week Especially with eric me and out a nice triumphant return of jake randall would be great But i'm just gonna work with the presumption that he might not be on for a bit Well, he's dealing with some stuff so If you I guess you need a spot i'm throwing my i'll throw my hand there because it's pokemon, right? It'll be a pokemon centric one. I assume If you're throwing a hat, i'll be there next year. Well, no duh. I wonder if there's a pokemon thing that day Oh, jeez that same day. You think we're gonna talk about pokemon. Oh, no The day after the day after yeah, but yeah, it's a day Yeah, but what if what if metroprime four leaks instead? So Honestly It's not gonna leak it's like a dude. Okay, even if it leaks it's not gonna be gameplay. That's what I want to see So no, no, no, no, no, no, no, let's say like like we see like footage No way Nintendo footage leaked what if the switch to pass will make that would make you crazier, right? Yeah, that would actually make it like the main we probably still won't talk about pokemon for a topic But that would make me come to main happens. Yeah So I would talk for for 25 minutes on his own. Yeah, but I got to pokemon games dude. I need to make a video Yeah Let's put it this way though It's probably good thing that pokemons next week because I would be here physical or i'm gone next week because i'd be here physically But not mentally if it's a pokemon topic You know what you could have did I said that true. There you go. I should have but yeah They're gonna make you see that time. All right guys. Thank you so much for being here We'll be back same time next week. Don't ask me when season three begins because I don't know when it begins Bye everybody I went crazy at the beginning