 Okay, it's Friday at four o'clock. It's life in the law we're doing now. It could be bigotry in America, too. It's, you know, perfectly, perfectly appropriate to call it either way. And my call was for this discussion here on life in the law. Marsha and Julia, hi, Marsha. Hi. Yeah. And our special guest. Okay, introduce our guest for you. Since we are talking about the law and is one of Hawaii's esteemed, I think that's the right word, attorneys, and just an absolutely delightful young lady and comes from a long line of attorneys and important people. This is Daphne Barbie Wooten. She also has a brother who is practicing law. And a husband who is practicing law and all that kind of good stuff. Welcome to the show, Daphne. Thank you for having me. Thank you for having me here. Yeah, let's go a little further. So you're practicing in Hawaii. Yes. You're practicing civil rights law, you told me. Yes, I am. And you have a private practice where you handle clients who have claims in civil rights. That's true. What an interesting practice that must be. It's fascinating. You meet all kinds of people, all kinds of situations. And unfortunately, discrimination is alive and well in Honolulu and in Hawaii. Well, you know, the problem is we live in a world where we haven't gotten away from that. You know, as we're still in the 19th century, and I'm sorry, maybe the 18th century. And as much as you would like to think that Hawaii is a completely, you know, polyglot place, there's discrimination here, too. Yeah, it certainly is. And I think it's probably more subtle than, let's say, in the South and the United States. But it's here. And the subtleties are, well, she's the attorney. So those are the things that are hard to prove because the judge doesn't understand the subtleties, doesn't see the subtleties. That is true. However, there are some blatant like sex harassment cases that one would think the judges should get. But maybe they don't. That's not necessarily racial. That's just gender. That's gender. But gender is also a type of discrimination. You have equal pay and sex discrimination. And so it is included within the discrimination realm and civil rights realm. But as far as racial discrimination, it also exists here in Hawaii. Sometimes it is very blatant. How does it visit itself in what kinds of cases that you see? Don't name any names. I can't name any names. I know that. Well, you can also look up the cases. I know I represented one man. And this is actually his ancestry rather than race. But he was called all kinds of names at his job making references to his ancestry, which was French. And so many people said, well, you can't have discrimination because of your friend ancestry. But it's absolutely true. You can have discrimination because you're Portuguese. And so it's not just African Americans or Africans or Filipinos. Although I do note that most of the people who have called for discrimination on the basis of race, at least in my office, tend to be Filipino and African American. But again, it's unfortunate. You have to educate not just the employers, but you have to educate judges as well as to the subtleties of discrimination in Hawaii. There was a time when everybody came with the plantations and there were multiple races in the society. And they all made fun of each other. They made caricatures of each other. There were certain characteristics that were just generally considered humorous. And I remember, I'm blocking on his name, but one of the comedians, great comedians, and like a local comedian, he made a living making jokes like this. At the time, I'm talking about the 60s and 70s, it was very funny. Now somewhere along the line that I thought, all my friends saw this was funny. Now we've come to a time where he could not make a living doing that. It would be politically incorrect. But don't you think there's room for humor? Isn't humor a way to... If a black man has called the N word, it's not funny. That's not humor. No, that's not humor. But, you know, even on the plantation, we tend to think of Japanese as being Japanese. But the Okinawans and the mainland Japanese are two different people. And on the plantation, they were separated and didn't want to be called each other. So there's the kinds of things that those of us that come from someplace else don't know those differences. Even with the, quote, Portuguese that come from the islands of Madeira and the Canary Islands are different than the Portuguese that come from Portugal. But these kinds of things for people that come from someplace else don't see these differences, but they see the difference. They know the difference. My only point is that when the various races came off the plantations, they had this kind of cultural tradition of making fun. And it was truly fun. It was not meant in any way to be nasty or racist. It was just fun. You know, while they made their jokes, their daughters married, you know. Intermarried, yeah. Intermarried. So, you know, they might make a joke against the other guy's race, but then he could be their son-in-law too. And they would welcome him into the family, because that was what was happening. It was all coming together in Hawaii. Well, I know. One case that I had, and I can't talk about it because it's public record, is in Kalaheo High School, the yearbook case. Three African American students won a song contest. And under the caption of the photo in the yearbook, I said, I like pig feet and I like dehog moths. And it was very racist and upsetting to the parents and the children to see that this was placed into a yearbook. It wasn't funny, but other people laughed and thought it was funny, so we sued and we got a settlement in federal court. But a lot of people didn't get it. They didn't realize that this was referring to slavery days when African Americans as slaves had to eat low on the hog, not high in the hog, and had to eat this type of food, you know, for survival. And they didn't understand the context. And we found out that it was a student, non-African American, who placed the caption there. Yeah, but it had a harmful effect on them. Well, I mean, part of your part of your job in doing civil rights law, and you were doing the EOC there for a while, you're telling me, is to make the point to educate people, especially corporations that have leverage in larger capital concentrations, that this is really not a good idea. And if you want to live together in harmony, we have to avoid, you know, what's the word, insulting people and degrading them, their position in the society. And so it's more than just a settlement, it's more than just a punishment, because the settlement could be a punishment. It's the notion of saying, you know, you guys have to consider what you're doing. My word, you have to be more decent, more gentle, more understanding and sensitive. Exactly. Culturally sensitive and be more aware. I mean, it's an opportunity to educate yourself before you start spewing out stereotypes against another person. That does not undermine the humor of some statements, though. I don't know. She's not going to agree with me. I have to hear the statement first. Okay, right. No, it's fair. That's fair. But there are laws. The thing is, the people who do this in the workplace, maybe they go to a bar and they tell racial jokes, I don't know. But in a workplace or in school or education, there are actual laws, civil rights laws, which say that you cannot discriminate on the basis of race or ancestry or sex. And so that's the thing, is that if you're in a setting such as an educational setting or a workplace, you do have to obey. Well, it has an effect. I mean, you know, I think there's two things. One is talk. And you could make the statement that sometimes talk is, you know, just talk. But when you take action, when you don't promote somebody, when you terminate somebody, when you, you know, don't pay somebody as much money as the other person, then there's actual action there. And that's different, right? No, that's her words. I knew she wasn't going to be like this. Sorry, I was like, words of words. Words of words, you know. Just look every morning at your president. Those words hurt. Well, let's talk about that. He tweets all kinds of things. Let's talk about that. It seems to me that in this country, and I'm not limiting this to racial either, it's religious as well. And in terms of racial, it's all kinds of races are being, you know, insulted and subject to discrimination and very unpleasant things, unpleasant maybe euphemism. In this administration since January 20th, you have any information on that? Can I? Wait, wait, wait. Do I have information on the 45? That's who I call the president is 45. I don't know what that is. That's the 45th president. Oh, okay. Okay. You do not mention his name. He is merely 45. Well, I recall him making a tweet when the Ku Klux Klan and white supremacists at Charlottesville were marching and a car ran into a woman who was pro-civil rights. Killed her. And I think it's murder. Absolutely. Killed her. On the president says, well, you know, we have decent people on the side of the head of the president. That was extremely, it's beyond insensitive. I thought it was an endorsement of white supremacy. And basically, I felt as though his tweet was in favor of what happened with the KKK, in favor of white supremacy and shutting down civil rights protesters and this young woman who wasn't doing anything illegal on doing her First Amendment rights. And she was murdered. She was killed. And her last words on Facebook were, stay woke. If you are not outraged, stay awake. Yeah. So, but have you noticed, one more question, much, and then I'll let you have this read this. That's the same 45. Yeah. Okay. So, who's going first? Okay. Thank you. Okay. Daphne, my question really is, has there been an increase in racial tension? Has there been an increase in racial discrimination since January 20th and number 45? Yes, I believe there has been. Well, look at the way he treats Colin Kaepernick, for example, who's kneeling in his First Amendment rights to draw attention to the way black men have been systematically killed by, unarmed black men, systematically killed by the police. He, I think, contacted the owners. He got Goudelle of NFL to say, oh, you know, he shouldn't be kneeling. And he didn't. And basically he was saying those athletes who are predominantly African-American, who are kneeling to bring attention to the unfairness of what's happening with African-American males getting shot. Yeah, absolutely. He's, yeah. And so what he's doing is making people pick sides. And he has successfully gotten some of the owners to say, you have to stand saying that those who don't stand have to be fired. That's a major lawsuit right there. And yes, I do notice that there are higher racial tensions under 45. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. So, Marcia, your witness. Yes. November 7th or 8th, whatever the day was, the very next day in Hawaii, Kai, I went to get my car wash and I had, you have to pay $10. This was last year, the day after the election. Number four. Almost a year ago. Okay. And so I walked in the door with my bill in my hand to pay for the car wash. And there are people in line. So I just stand there and the local guy said, oh, Auntie, come on. Come on. You can get in. And the Hollywood guy behind said, you are no longer in charge. We are in charge now. What does that tell you? Oh, already? Already? Yes. Oh my goodness. But the one closer that I noticed that nobody on the media saw, and I was here, I did a commentary on it. The president did not when he talked to the widow just a couple of weeks ago. He never once mentioned her name, Mrs. Johnson. Every culture has a Johnson. It's not a strange name. He never once said Mrs. Johnson, not once. The Congress lady, never, never. All of the media, which are white, did not see that not once were those two women ever addressed as Mrs. Now, in the South, no white man calls a black woman Mrs. It isn't done. Why not? I mean, what is it? That's just so racist. I'm telling you, Blatt. It's part of the slavery legacy. They don't call African-American men by their names, or if they do, it's the first name. As opposed to Mr. Johnson and Boy. And they don't want to acknowledge that they're equal status. And the same for women. They don't call African-American women Mrs. Johnson. They'll call her status, or whatever the first name is, rather than... They did not call you Daphne? You can call me Daphne. Thank you. Okay. But he didn't even do that. But what annoyed me, what really bothered me, was listening to all the commentators, and none of them noticed. And it was only that I did the commentary here. You have to do critical thinking when we see this happening. Well, that's what I did the commentary, and I had to say that... The top of the sea changes, yeah. This is a subtle racism, and it is there, and none of the media saw it. And then they wondered why she was upset. We need more diversity and viewpoints in the media. And it's scary, because my understanding is the media now is getting to be a monopoly. There are fewer of them all the time. So before we take... Oh, that's a whole different subject. I think I'll ask you one question, and I know the answer is very long. But I'll see if you can give me a succinct answer in one minute. Okay. What do we do? Keep talking. Vote, organize. Vote, organize. Right. And encourage other people, educating them, encourage them to understand the subtleties of racism and why it harms us as a nation. And that if we can eradicate it, I think our nation would be much greater and better. We have to do that. Right. Yeah. And one of the things you didn't mention is we have to make movies. Yes, we do. And that's why right after this break, we're going to examine the Thurgood Marshall movie that's playing right now in Honolulu. Okay. One short break. We'll be right back to do that. Guys, don't forget to check me out right here at the Prince of Investing. I'm your host, Prince Dykes. Each and every Tuesdays at 11 a.m. Hawaii time. I'm going to be right here. Stop by here from some of the best investment minds across the globe. And real estate, finances, stocks, hedge funds, managers, all that great stuff. Thank you. I just walked by and I said, what's happening, guys? They told me they were making music. Okay, we're back. We're live. You should have been here during the break. It was a pretty interesting break. Sorry, but that's the way it goes. Okay. Maybe we'll change the system so everybody can watch the breaks too. I don't know if you'd want that. Okay. So here, we're here with Daphne Barbie. Yes. Okay. She's an attorney, a civil rights attorney here in Honolulu. And Marsha, Marsha Joyner, who is my co-host here and her host in her own right, not one, not two, but like three shows a week. And I don't know how she does it. It's in the vitamin pills. No. I'm 79 and the N is, you can see the N. They've only got a lot to do. Not for you, not for you, Marsha. I got a lot to do to get him before the N. We promised them we'd get the Marsha, because Marsha is a movie that actually goes beyond the movie. If you thought that the movie Marsha, and I've only seen the trailer, but I watched it a couple times, if you thought that Marsha was like a Marsha 101 type of movie, it's not. It's about one case. It's about a case before he ascended the Supreme Court bench. It's about a case in Connecticut, not in the south. It's about a case where he really, it was a funny movie in many ways. There's a lot of humor there, maybe cutting humor. But humor, nevertheless, where he defended this guy who was charged with what? Attacking, raping a white socialite woman. See, he was African-American. He was black and she was white. That's it. Yeah, yeah. And she's a very wealthy woman. Very wealthy woman in Connecticut. They have that. And this is the story of that trial. And he was, you know, there's not a judge at this time. He was a trial lawyer and you get to see what he was all about. He was a really good trial lawyer. That's what I got out of it. Well, here's the thing that you didn't know about the movie, is he was there for the NAACP to make sure that the accused got a fair trial, a good attorney, and the judge would not let Thurgood Marshall be his lawyer, just to sit next to a lawyer who had never done a criminal case in his life. He wasn't going to take that, was he? Well, Thurgood Marshall was able to mentor and talk to the lawyer. And they could... And freedmen. Yes, freedmen was the name of the lawyer. Yeah, yeah. I think he did business law. But he took that orange. Yeah, he did business law. But through Thurgood Marshall's effort, should I say the end of the movie? Maybe you should. No, that's okay. Say the movie. Go, say the movie. Say the movie. Let me tell you... But did he get them off? No, let's not spoil the movie. No, when I tell you to spoil the movie. But you know Thurgood Marshall is also going to be the hero. So he's a hero. All right, I'll get you ahead. All right. But for me, well, of course we know the ending. But for me to watch the growth of the Jewish attorney that Thurgood Marshall was mentoring, and to watch him, I thought it was, again, back to the subtleties. But you could see him grow. And in understanding the subtleties of racism. And then, of course, it takes place during the World War II. So they had to throw in a couple of things with the Nazis for him to get that this is the same thing. All right. Yeah. But that was so interesting the way that developed gradually. Little by little. So that by the time we get to the end, he is a great attorney. Interesting. And you will also know for those who should go see it. I think everybody should go see it. There are some high-profile people there. The lawyer who represented Trayvon Martin's family is at the end. He's taking Thurgood Marshall's Chadwick Boseman's hand as Thurgood Marshall saying, we need you. We need more of you. And so if you know who's in there, there's a couple of people. I actually recognized NAACP. I'm on the front line. So they were doing bid parts. Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah. Really great. To set the stage that you had Duke Ellington and all of the great entertainers of that era. So that it gives you a set, a time frame so that you get to see the entertainers. You get to see the Nazis. So you understand this is World War II and all of those kinds of things. This generation knows nothing. So I don't know that. Well, you have to see it in history. And I mentioned to you before the show that the movie, so far as I could appreciate it through the trailer, reminded me of the article not too long ago about Donald Trump's number 45's father who lived in Long Island somewhere and who was arrested for being part of a Ku Klux Klan demonstration of some kind. And that was a surprise. I mean, I grew up in New York and it never happened while I was there. But back in the 30s and the 40s, it was a different place. And if you thought that there was no racism in the northeast of the country and those days, think again. And both of those stories, the one about Donald Trump's father, imagine the Ku Klux Klan in Long Island. What? And here this kind of case. It's a true case. This movie is a true story. Yes, it is a story. It's about a racial trial in Connecticut, of course, Connecticut. So, I mean, it teaches you about the history. And I think to your point, Marsha, we really have to understand the historical context for all of this. We have to understand it. We have to study it. We have to draw it forward. We have to see the sea changes. And I hope we don't have to repeat it. Other subtleties in the movie is where all of these Black entertainers were. Langston Hughes. With Langston Hughes. And all of them are in a beautiful nightclub. But of course, they were segregated. Even in New York City and Blacks entertained at the Cotton Club, but you can't eat. You can't come in. You could entertain, but you couldn't sit and enjoy. Yes. Yeah. One other thing I want to mention about the movie. We went to a special screening. The ACLU presented it for certain people. And they brought in Thomas Marshall, who is Thurgood Marshall's son, and a co-writer of the movie. And so after we saw the movie, we were able to ask them questions. And of course, the big question for Thomas Marshall is, what is it like growing up with your father and what was his favorite case? And he said, you know, everybody thinks that Brown versus Board of Education was my father's favorite case. That was his big win at the Supreme Court before he became a justice. Yes. And that integrated the public schools. 54. 54. 54. May 1954. But who's counting? But his son, yeah, his son said, no, that wasn't his favorite case. His favorite case was when he got out of law school. He had applied to the University of Maryland Law School. They wouldn't accept him because he was black. And so he had to go to Howard Law School. When he got out of law school, Howard Law School, and worked for the NAACP, his first case was a case against the University of Maryland Law School, racial discrimination, and he won. And he just walked around that proudly that that was his favorite case. You know, he said, one day I'm going to sue that law school who might have admitted me and he did it and he won. So it was kind of interesting. There's a lot of stories, there's a lot of movies that can be made about Thurgood Marshall's life, about the cases that he handled. It's just really, it was really fascinating. Well, the movie portrays him as a pretty witty guy. Oh, yes. And he had a great way of coming back at you. He had a great presence, great strength, great acuity, actually, and a sense of humor. Yes, he did. Now, and what I like most, because, you know, we went through this special screening, is that the young man that played Marshall does not look anything like him. So immediately, there's no comparison. You, you immediately get into the story and not look at, oh, that's not what he looked like. That's not, you know, there was none of that. You really got into the story. The actor was superb. You really got to the story and not those things. That's not the man I remember. That's not, you know, none of that. Now, the story, the story, again, I didn't see the movie, but, but from the trailer, I got the idea that he was, he as the loiter for this defendant in this case, he was threatened. Oh, yes. The direct experience were made. Oh, yes. Both were threatened. He and the Jewish attorney. And there was violence, well, threat of violence. Tell me about it. Tell me what happened there, because this is not, this is not, doesn't happen in Connecticut very much. But on the steps, on the courthouse steps, there are other Jews upset with the Jewish attorney for what he's doing, for taking the case. You know? That's right. That, oh, yeah. Now that we didn't see the, yeah, there was one part of violence, but yes, we're beat up. They were beat up, followed around, hit and attacked. The Jewish lawyer's home was, you know, the wife was threatened. And Thurgood Marshall, of course, was threatened and beat up. He's actually beat up. Oh, yeah. Well, in the movie. In the movie. We don't know for sure what happened. Right, because when the co-writer answered questions, he admitted that he put a little He took some license. A little artistic license and that. And of course, if you read just the transcript, you're not going to see that. See that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there were no transcripts. Yeah. Of the court. The court proceedings. Remember the attorney, I meant the writer, said that there were no transcripts. Oh, those days. A court record was not necessarily a court record. And of course, because it was already set up, the prosecutor attorney was the son of the judges. That's friend. That's partner. Law partner. Law partner. So they were already going to crucify this guy. It was already set up to do that. It strikes me that going back to our discussion before the break, what do we do? Well, we try to elevate guys like this. And we try to get them on the Supreme Court. We need another third group marshal is what we need. Yes, we do. And an Obama to run for office and actually be a leader in the country. And I wonder how he achieved an appointment. It doesn't happen automatically. And there's no fickle finger coming down from God to appoint you as Supreme Court. Well, he was, first of all, he was solicited general. The first African-American solicitor general. LBJ, Lyndon Baines Johnson was the president that passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act. And he had elevated Thurgood Marshall from solicitor general to a judgeship. It was a U.S. judgeship. But of course, it was the Supreme Court. I think it was district court in Washington, D.C. And then from there, he appointed him to the Supreme Court. Yeah. Yeah. So LBJ really stuck his neck out. And he, in his homework, he was the power. He was the hand. Of course, everybody had a part into it. But he was the one that wrote, signed the Civil Rights legislation, got it passed by talking to people and twisting their arms and making it work. And he's the one that got Thurgood Marshall up there on the Supreme Court. He was, in this way, LBJ was enlightened. He did so much stuff. He should have gone down as one of the greats if he hadn't gotten mixed up in that war. Yeah, I agree. That the Vietnam War was not good for anybody. Everybody lost. What do you guys see for the future on this issue? On Thurgood Marshall, on, let me call it, media treatment of the racial discrimination issue in this country. What do you see for healing the wounds that are happening right now, by the way? What do you see for the future? Well, I would like to see, as far as the media, more fairness in the way they treat racial issues. There's this movie I suggest you go see. It's called Who Streets. And it's a viewpoint of African American filmmakers of what happened in Ferguson. And it paints a much different picture of what happened than if you see in the mainstream media, which says, oh, these are riots. These are thugs running around, breaking in buildings. And in that one, it showed how the police treated people who were protesting the killing of Michael Brown. They showed the body of Michael Brown laying in the street after he had been shot by the police and then disregarding people to try to come and help Michael Brown. It was an excellent movie. How did the media conduct themselves? Oh, it was terrible. They just basically portrayed it as a riot and black people running amok when in reality it wasn't. And they showed in the documentary Who's Street, which may come up for an Academy Award, which actually was shown at the Doris Duke Theater here in Honolulu. And actually the stars, some of the stars came in, and the producer came in. But it just painted a totally different picture and viewpoint as to what's going on racially in America and also in that it also showed how people did come together, whites and women came together to support the protesters. So my hope is that the young people do not carry a bigot of prejudicial mindset, that they're more open-minded and that it's good to have friends of different races and cultures and religions and sexes. And it's good to be more open in society and not be blindly ignorant of other people, not caring about other people's cultures, and to really reach a hand, grab out, and let's do this together, because we're all Americans. Let's make America great. Oh, yeah. And I guess I'm sorry, like Obama. But locally, you ask, there was a young man, black young man that was supposedly killed somebody. His friend, another black man, is telling white this kid didn't do it. His picture, he's not part of the crime. They showed his picture everywhere. So if you were just looking, you would think he was the one that created the crime. They don't do that with other people. If it's, you can always tell who did it by whose pictures they showed. My implication, yeah. And it was totally crucified this guy, and he wasn't there. He was just defending his friend. Yeah. Stephanie, I want to ask you one more question that I'm curious about. One more. Might be one following that. This is like in a courtroom thing. One more question, Judge. Well, maybe one more after that. You're in the law. I mean, and you're in the law, you're cutting edge kinds of things. And you can feel, you know, you can feel the law. You can feel how it is and how it works and how it maybe should be. And I wonder if you're satisfied with the state of the law in this country, in this state on racial discrimination. If I made you queen for a day, what would you change in the law, if anything? Well, you know, actually, that's a very good question. Let's see. I would not allow people who don't want jury duty so easy to get off the jury duty. So that includes doctors. I for Newton's CEOs, they can't just say I'm too busy for this. They have to sit with a person who's a janitor or a school teacher, and it can't just be school teachers on the jury. So the jury would have to be diverse. I would make it diverse. You know, if it came in one specific group, for example, if an African American defendant is there and there's no blacks on the jury pool, I tell the people, you go out, you find somebody. You find more than somebody. It's a democratization process. We're all in this together. We don't have to work at it together. Right. And it says a jury of your peers. So if there's not one there, that's not your peers. Okay, so that's one of the things I would do at least. That's just the beginning, right? I would make judges. Oh, I'm sorry. That doesn't have to be more diverse. They can't just be from the business or the prosecutors or the U.S. attorneys. They have to come from all walks of all different types of lawyers. You need to put a civil rights attorney there as a judge. You can't just pick your friends, your buddies. I don't know. They have it. Also, here's what else that would change. There is an age limit in the state of Hawaii for judges. 70. Okay. I'm not there yet. It's true. But I know a lot of good people who maybe 65 or getting close to 70. I would stop that law. Look, a person can be as incompetent at 30 years old and 70 years old. And a 70-year-old can be much more brighter than some of these 25-year-olds. I can't hear you. I can't hear you. I can't hear you. Yeah. It's all, that should stop. It's elemental. It's discrimination. So it's not how old you are. It's how you think, how you speak, and how you conduct yourself. That's more important than when you were born. Last question. Okay. I know you're not finished with answering that, but you're a civil rights lawyer. Yes. Are there other civil rights lawyers like you in Hawaii? There are. Do you want to name them? How many? Sure. Okay. There's a group called National Employment Lawyers Association. Nila, shout out to you. African American Lawyers Association, shout out to you. We're small, though. I have to be honest with you. Nila, active members, maybe in Hawaii, six. And I also do EEO law on the mainland and Merit System Protection Board. And there's probably only three of us that do that. That's a small number for how many attorneys in Hawaii, maybe 5,000, 6,000. Small number. And the same is for African American Lawyers Association. There's only a few of us. So it's very small percentage, at least here. However, we hook up with mainland groups who are much larger. And are engaged in civil rights changes. National Bar Association is a group of African American lawyers. African American judges. Very powerful organization. And they come here periodically. Also seek legislation aside from litigation. Absolutely seek legislation. And there are some senators in Hawaii who are very helpful in the civil rights arena. Nice to meet you today. It's great. Marsha, I'm going to give you a chance to summarize everything we've covered here. And to thank Daphne for appearing, okay? To summarize, what, 400, 500 years? Come on. What about reparations, huh? Legislation for reparation. The slavery was the most economical adventure ever. What the riches that it brought to America. Unbelievable. And so Daphne is one of those that has been in the trenches working day and night to somehow. End the civil war. Yeah, the end of civil war, but more than just that. To bring a new way of thinking. Civilization. Yes. Yeah. New civilization. In my opinion, more advanced where it's not the color of your skin or the sex. It's what you bring to the table. We need to do that. We need to do that. And I am very proud of this young lady. I have known her since she arrived in Hawaii. Her husband did my hair at first and I first arrived. Do you remember that? Yes, I do. And he said to tell you, hello. Hi, Katie. Okay. Happy birthday. And now we're going to wrap this up. Oh, sorry, I'm sorry. But I am so proud to watch her grow into this beautiful attorney that takes on cases that other people won't or can't, whichever the case may be, and to continue to do that, to stand for what's right constantly. You can count on her. Thank you, Marcia. Thank you for introducing us, bringing Daphne on the show. Thank you. It was very nice to meet you. It's a good conversation. I'm going to go out and see that movie now. Oh, please do. Yes, you do. Aloha, ladies. Aloha.