 And Jeremy. Um, but should we get started or? Yeah, we have to leave. Yeah, we have a forum. But yeah, so I was thinking we could review the, I mean, all the things that were on the agenda review the materials that Cameron shared, talk about the presentation and the meeting on Monday. And then just, yeah, and the other report action committees and, uh, um, how was this task force meeting tomorrow, Lauren sent, wondering if we could, if we could join anything else that we should make sure we talk about today. Okay. Um, so if folks want to pull up the minutes and review them real quick, I would attach them, but I never review them. Here we go. I'll make a motion to approve the minutes. Thanks, Michael. Okay. Um, Helen, do you want a second? Yeah. I second. All in favor. I. Hi. Any opposed. All right. Um, thank you all. Um, All right. So, um, let's dive into the draft documents for the program review. Okay. So I sent, I just sent them out. Sorry about that. And then I did it. So, um, A couple of questions I had, if you pull up the one that says the stipend policy, that's the big one, the other two are basically just the registration forms that say like, Um, one is the registration form and then one is the attendance record, which I need. So I was trying to figure out, so I'll go back to try to figure it out. So our initial idea that I talked to with finance was, we'll just use the minutes as like the thing I can approve, right? But to me, that's a lot of work on my end to try to like. Validate who is there and what's going on. And it would take time. And also some people aren't, some meetings aren't as good at getting minutes done as others. And so the timing on that's really weird. So. What Essex did and what I think is a really good idea. So, um, would be to have either the staff support or the chair, each meeting. Write out who on their board is there. That wants to receive the stipend, right? So basically just saying who is there. So that I have that it can be handed to me and then I can code it and approve it and give it to finance. So it's done as like a holistic thing and not a one by one thing, which I think is a better way to handle that. Um, so thanks for Essex for thinking that through. That was really helpful. Um, so when we look at the program policy, I had a couple of questions. The first one is that I was trying to go through notes. And I swear to you, I have written $30 and $50 down. And I could not. I don't know which one is the most accurate or up to date. I don't know which one is the most accurate or up to date. But I think I'll approve 50 or 30 for per person. I was remembering 50. Oh, sorry, Michael. That's what I was going to say. Okay. Woo. Great. Yeah. We should have like write it down and then like turn over your paper to see what everyone else wrote down. Great. Wonderful. Okay. So $50 per meeting. So the process would be that they folks who want to receive their phone number, their email address, their phone number, their email address. That has to be. An annual. Updated document. Then they need to fill out a stipend registration form, which basically. Give somebody's full name. What board or whatever they sit on their phone number, their email address. And this is just a way that we have a signature and we have a signature. So. Forms and W nine should be turned into the city manager's office for filing and storage to receive the stipend payment. Submit your meeting attendance. Staff representatives or the chair of the committee. Must complete an attendance record after each meeting. Or on a monthly basis, whichever period is longer. So that is so like. The city manager's office will review the attendance records, the copy code, and approve the reimbursement and facilitate the finance department to pay through the city's warrant process. Concerns regarding attendance. Should be done after every single meeting. So like Shayna, you would turn it in the end of the month. So it would cover two meetings. Right. And is that one of the attachments that you sent of like what that looks like. Okay. Sorry. Great. So then. The city manager's office will review the attendance records, and the city manager's office will review the attendance records. And the city manager's office will review the attendance records. Concerns regarding attendance should be directed to staff or committee chairs. Attendance must be verifiable by official minutes. Participants are only paid for the meetings. They attend. Eligibility for stipends. Any appointed and elected member of the city, Montpelier board commissioner committee that meets the routine schedule. The city council members zoning board and planning commission members who already received stipends. And I made a note in here that I have to confirm that I'm. 95% sure they was all received funding. I know y'all do, but I don't know who else does. So I'm just letting you know that needs to be double-checked. Then programs start and continued enrollment. The city of Montpelier program will begin July 1, 2022. And so I'm just going to let you know that. I, for some reason wrote the date twice in there. So. I'll resend this out. It's good to check your work. And stipend payments may be made retroactively to July 1, 2022. Once an IRS form W nine is submitted. So like. If. They had a meeting on July one. And they didn't get it turned out. Anyway, just basically saying, I'm not going to put it on the phone. I'm not going to put it on the phone. I'm not going to put it on the phone. I'm going to put it on the phone. And you can retroactively fill that out and get paid. We won't pay you once we get the thing. So. I'm just talking to those are July 1, 2021. Yeah, I know. I just want to make sure. No, yeah. I never noticed these things, so. It's helpful to read it out loud. I think that's the issue. There is no chart. All payments made through accounts payable from the finance department. IRS regulations pertaining. To the 1099 form apply. The finance department will issue a 1099. Per IRS regulations for the amount paid greater or equal to $600 in a calendar year. So that's where we were getting through a caught up before where we, I didn't know what the threshold was. It's $600. A year. And so that we don't have any control over. That would have to be per the person's. Own discretion. If they're going to have more than $600, they don't want tax impacts. They'll have to just stop blaming them. Right. And so. We connect. Essex had this in their. Policy and I stole it because it was useful. You can call Vermont 211 or their number. And so that was a good resource. I thought. So that's really the whole thing. Did I forget something? A couple of quick questions. First of all, thank you. This is great. Was wondering at the purpose at the beginning, if it should be instead of is. Purpose is to provide financial stipends. For anyone that is not available. Financial stipends for anyone appointed or elected. We're not transitioning to paying every single member worth. Making them available upon request. And then just like logistically. For. So. Sorry if I missed this. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm starting to you that they attended meetings. Like how is that being tracked so that it's not creating. A burden? Is there like some easy monthly or every couple of months? Well, so I. The attendance record. Oh, okay. What I'm asking for everyone to do is the, to like Shayna. At the end of this meeting would write down all your names. And say, I. Okay. So you're getting something you're not like tracking down, like recordings and meetings or something. Okay. Right. To me, that was like, so that was a huge issue. And I was talking to finance about it a lot. Like. If it's up to the minutes, I'd have to search through all the minutes. And then I'd have to write down who is getting the stipend. And then I would have to do that. Right. And so to me having the chair right down here, the five people who are receiving stipends on my board. They, I certify that they were here. Here you go. Okay. Great. I'm just wanting to say that back to you, but certainly differently. It's like here are the people who are at the meeting, regardless of whether or not they receive, I may not have no idea if they received statements, right? It's just like the committee's present. And then you, you check that with the stipend list. Hmm. I could do that. Because this does do not include. Yeah. Members who have not completed the necessary IRS form W nine. And it's also like, if we're also doing it retroactively, it feels like it should be all of the attendance and then you guys check it with the list. Okay. I can do that. Right. Cause I feel like that way. If like people are submitting it without letting the chair know, or yeah, or whatever it's just like. And then also, so maybe people don't know who is receiving it and who is not. Right. Okay. I'll take that part out. And I'm also wondering like, would this just be easier to be an online forum? Which part is coming out? The idea that we would only ask the chair or the staff member to write down the attendance of people receiving the stipend. So where is that on this in the policy? It's in the attendance record document. So I can for the minute for the purpose of the minutes. Okay. So Shayna, yes, it probably would be easier. But then I would have to assume that everyone had access to that. And I think that that is also not maybe very equitable. Yeah. And so just with it being remote, this would be like writing it down and then sending it in once a month. And or can we email it in too? Is that like, yeah, just thinking as a remote committee. Let me put that in there. I'm just like, where to, where to send the form. Attendance record. Attendance records. I will put attendance records. And be submitted. In writing. Or via email. To. Staff support. Or the city manager. Or the city manager. Or the city manager. Or the city manager. Or the city manager. Directly. My only other logistics question was if people need to do their W nines, is there some easy way to like hang that? Like if everyone's doing it at different times and stuff whenever they're registering, like, how are you all going to track? Is it just like, they stopped getting paid all of a sudden they're like, Oh, I must have hit my year. Or like, is there, is there some automatic way to remember to like. Yeah. I think with this, I think we would just send out a reminder each July one that says resubmit your. W9. Yeah, everyone onto that calendar, even if they signed up. It won't impact anyone to re-up it. Like it will not change anything. It's mostly to keep addresses update. Updated. The information doesn't really change except addresses. So I could also say. It is recommended. That a new. W9. Well, we'll say it is required maybe. Required to update. Your W9. When. Your address changes. Sure. Yes. Okay. And then I'll say. Reminders. To update. W nines. Will be sent out. Every July. From the city manager's office. Here we go. And sorry, I'm just looking back at the initial, I'm not just thinking about like security and privacy and things. W nines do have like social security numbers on them, right? I had a form. I will pull it up. Hold on just a second. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm like, I shouldn't. Yeah. I'm like. Name, business name, address, city. You could do your social security number. Yeah. Yeah. It's your social security number. Yeah. And so just like then shut the W nines. It says like a committee member can turn this into. Oh no, the stipend registration form. Into the chair or staff support. So yeah, forms and W nines should be returned into the city manager's office for filing and storage, right? Okay. But so can people email the W nines to cannot be added to that process point to a. Okay. Does that make sense? The, when you assign a form like that. Can you email something with with a signature? Does it have to be somehow. The original have to be filed. Uh, I. You can email it. I'm pretty sure that's fine. Okay. Okay. That is added. That it should be turned into or emailed directly to the city manager's office. So it's not going through other people. Where would you like to see the fact that I think maybe. And program start and continued enrollment. To say the city of Montpelier. Has identified. Yeah. Talking about the, yeah, the max amount. Yep. $30,000. And obviously I can edit this, but I think it's important to call that out. Yeah. I love that cat. What is that cat's name? I love it. Steve Montpelier has identified $30,000 for July 22 to July 2023. For this program. The city. Paid until. Funding. Has. What's a better word for run out. Exhausted. Is excellent. Notice will be sent out. If this occurs. Through the city manager. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. And then if, when the money is gone. It just is. We stop in the middle of the year for example. Yeah. And it's possible then that somebody who. You know, so they'll be unequal payments because somebody might get. You know, so sneak on the, you know, good. Just get it under the wire. And then other people who. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of by submission. Right. Yeah. Okay. I think it's important to say that, you know, this, you make the, that the money may run out before the year runs out. I agree with that. Sure. Whenever. So I said, okay. The city of Montpelier has identified $30,000 for July 22 to 23. And I think it's important to say that. I think it's important to say that this occurs through the city manager's office. Just one change of one word instead of identifies allocated. Thank you. Would we want to give like notice when there's 5,000? I mean, that's just like two. It's like, it's. Can the city give notice when there's like $5,000 left or something or. What would that change? I don't think that I don't think that we need to do that. Okay. Okay. Thanks. Just had to say it out loud. Okay. And I do that too. And then can I set the retroactively part here? So it's like, maybe retroactively in July. Once an IRS form is submitted, but then on the next. Sentence it says, you know, Payments will not be made retroactively with the exception of the start at period as the program begins to the chart below for deadlines. And so one. I don't want to delete that, but so that is it just like, we need retroactively for the first month of the enrollment period where. And so I'd be like July. 2022. Yeah. So the idea would be like, if all y'all say. Pella, I'm going to pick on you. Pella wants to. It's July. It's the, it's their first meeting in July. She learns about this project. She wants to sign up for it. So she fills it out. She fills out all our forms. And so, I don't want it to be like, And so I hope it reads December, right? Yeah. Right. Like you, you sign up. Yeah, exactly. Helen finds out about, she decides. Five months for after July, like in December, that she wants to be part of this. She doesn't get to retroactively go back to July and say, I want payment for all of those meetings. I think going to all these meetings. Yeah. So. Payments will begin upon receipt of the stipend registration form and will not be made retroactive. For any. Period. Beyond the first month. Does that, I, I'm, how do I, how am I saying, I don't know if I'm saying this, right? Prior to. It is. Does this need to be in the policies that confusing to people? Is it just like, hey, could it just be more like payment will be available for the first meeting at which you. Yeah. And up for or something like that's not the right wording, but. Yeah, I'm just thinking like for like the one pillar of community foundation, like we're not meeting in July, we're meeting in, you know, September or whatever. And so if they, you know, do the announcement at the first meeting in September. And someone applies for it. Then, and then the next meetings in November. So like, then they would, they would fill out the form and be able to retroactively apply for that first meeting in September. You're just also thinking about them. Yeah. So it's like, it would, it would instead be payments upon receipt of the stipend registration form will not be made retroactively. With the exception of the initial meeting. Of. 20 of FY 22. Does that make sense? Or am I, am I making this unnecessarily complicated too? Do we. Yeah, maybe that's, maybe that's what we should do is just take that out and say, you know, stipend payments will not be made retroactively in any way. It's just after you fill out your stipend registration form, you're on that list. Does that make more sense? It would be easier for us. Yeah. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so more or since it would be easier for us. Yeah, I think it does, and I think, I think it could. You don't have to say retroactively. So payments begin after, after the, the forms of the W nine has been received. And that. And that makes it very clear. You don't have to deal with this. This is about retroactive. Okay. So it's a city of Montpere program will begin on July 1, 2022. upon receipt of the stipend registration form and the W-9. I think that's the simplest way and it makes it very clear. Okay thanks y'all that's helpful. Can you say that again? I was distracted of what the language will be. City of Montpelier program will begin on July 1 2022. Payments will begin upon receipt of the stipend registration form and the W-9. Great okay that's very helpful. That's like getting to the intent of it too is that like we're trying to get people who don't feel like they have been able to participate to be able to participate. So if people apply before joining then they get it starting from day one and if not they're people who have been volunteering for years before you know recognizing that this was available and so that doesn't yet doesn't feel like we're being sneaky it feels like it's in line with the intention yeah. But people who are already on boards can apply for it right? Yes yeah yeah we're not saying that they're excluded but they can't but yeah all right. They're encouraged to but yeah but it's just like they have been volunteering probably one more meeting it's not going to be the make or break for people being able to volunteer. Let's hope not. Yeah I know golly. One other quick question I know Cameron's got a drop now. Do so have you looked at the like application form so this like policy and stuff seems great it seems like the there will be like a line added to the you know when you apply to be appointed that form. Oh oh oh oh oh seems like there should be some thing and they're in that I don't know I don't remember if there's other like materials people see or get when they're considering applying to um to boards and commissions but it is a very obnoxious inbuilt form into our website and I will have to mess with that and so I I agree that there should be something and says like contact your like would you be interested in this stipend or maybe they're hey there's a stipend program you can apply for. I don't know how it'll work so I will investigate and I will let you know next meeting. So what I'll do right now is keep these in draft form but I will send them right back out with the edits that we made and then I've got to run to this other meeting. Yeah so thank you Michael for taking minutes. You're welcome. And then I do wonder where this too can can there be a email or phone number if you have questions about this like there's the two on one for in general but like just like how to come to the city with questions about this program and then it can could there be like a landing page on the website that would have all of this information um you know so it's not reliant on um the chairs to get it out but we can if people contact the city you can say yep here's the link to or you know here's all of the here's all the forms that you need here's the registration form and the attendance record and those w9s and all that. I will sorry I know you have to go. No it's fine I will make a note that that is something we need to do once this is all finalized. Yeah. Questions about this policy and be directed to the city's website or no to the city manager's office and then I will include numbers email that won't get it later and then more information can be found at the city's website. Here link all right so I will there'll be a few things that need um finalizing like that and figuring out who else gets paid in the city because I don't know and uh that's in a pretty good place for right now I think. Cool. Let me send those out to y'all again and then head over to this month's meeting for you know. Do we want do we want to vote on these changes today so that when we talk about it at the meeting we can be clear or are we going to postpone um postpone voting on this until we've had a chance to look at everything and and meet and meet next time folks might have feedback but it won't hurt to approve the changes so yeah I think let's approve if Cameron can send them out right now let's approve the changes of the committee now and then we can always make more changes pending feedback from the Monday meeting. Okay. Thank you Cameron. Thank you this was really useful I will see you in um Monday. Yeah see you soon. All right I just got the email with the updated language um should we pull that up and read that over again before. Okay let me I've I've got one screen and it's getting very crowded because it's my laptop so it's not even a big screen. Yeah. Why haven't we received it yet? We may have to refresh sometimes mine. Just got it okay. Great. So the only things I'm noticing or sorry I can keep waiting. Nope. Michael did you have you received it? I haven't received it. Yes I did. Great. Great. Great. We get to discuss real quick so I think I'm just putting in the address we have a state screen. What's it? It's in an address for where to send the W9 form and then obviously I was like oh and there's still things like highlighted in yellow that we need to figure out and so um it's not totally finalized so I don't know if that means it makes sense to vote on and I probably don't so we can't vote on it now because there's still things that need to be updated um right or yeah go ahead learn. Just one other thing I noticed in number two it says all volunteers elected or appointed to the board must commit must complete the boards and committee stipend registration form. I think it should say like all volunteers interested in receiving the stipends blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. You don't have to fill the stipend. You don't need to have a stipend to serve. Yeah good catch. I guess I would probably put it after all volunteers elected or appointed blah blah blah who or commission who are interested in receiving the stipend must complete the board and committee stipend registration form. And I'm editable version I'm just saying that those were that left I don't know if you want me to take them up and send them to Cameron. If we have an editable version sorry Michael. I'm not going to put this in the minutes okay it went by too fast but uh yeah just I'll say that there are additional changes to be made. Right and like and there's things that just like we don't have at all so okay maybe I'll type this up into sent to Cameron real quick okay um two additional changes one we're to send the W9 and two can you say the language? Um yeah so number two that I don't know how to write it efficiently. Here why don't I I'll put it in the chat for the all caps who are interested in receiving the stipend in the chat is the added like phrase and that goes where that's number two in the process in number two yes okay and and as they as they add an addition to the the first sentence or under a as an addition to the first sentence okay all right. Any other changes or any of this language or other notes to make I mean not only I think the attendance thing might turn into a mess so I could see that evolving over time if there's there's got to be some easier way to like check off some online form or a quick like yes people were there I don't know something that puts a lot of work on all the chairs to remember to do attendance forms now well I could just they could circulate the attendance form at the meeting and then come back to the chair before they go everybody just sign in yeah just remembering the person and all the yeah well after yeah we've learned we've learned you know we have to you know ask the agenda I mean it's it's going to be a learning process but but at least there will be while that learning is going on they'll be they will eventually be minutes that show up and so if there's an interest if a problem then whoever took the minutes will includes the people who are there so I don't think we have to worry about that whereas Gil Godnick used to say we'll burn that bridge when we get to it yeah all right should we move on to the other pieces is that okay to move to the presentation um so I didn't get any other language from folks I did just throw in some photos last night to make it pretty um but I uh yeah didn't know if folks had a chance to look it over and make any edits and or add in your own pieces so um I'll take a moment to have folks flip through that I think I have one uh one suggestion yep um when we get to the point about the discussion uh I I dropped the ball and communicating with Jerry so I don't know yet but what we're thinking about how much time per person are we giving and do we want to put that in the discussion so people can kind of prepare prepare for just doing it really quickly I don't think you dropped the ball Jeremy said on vacation so I think he's been in communicato um but I think that's a great great point of just like and I think we might not be able to do that until everyone's there to say okay we have this many people you know keep your comments to this long so I'm just putting this in the comment section of the PowerPoint that's happening like okay so yeah having life exactly actually yeah I can't make this editable we can edit this in the meeting if anyone um I'll just have to lock it again afterwards okay and now editable so if anyone has any other edits to make we are in open meeting now um okay Jeremy communicate this based on the number of people in attendance and Michael to keep time for the slide number five where it says gaps in sense of belonging it's like the way it's worded it makes it seem like there was a 68 percent gap in sense of belonging for so maybe I'm sure they've had to reword it like maybe sense of belonging like maybe just sense of belonging and as whoever is describing this slide I think this is pretty your intro maybe Shayna yeah um show like there was clearly a gap among different communities in the within the city um and then like for the equity assessment like looking through the list which I was like I wonder if we should put like one of each of those categories up at a time and like give a couple examples of some of the works like I look at it I'm like oh like it's there's there's been progress at all we've been like plugging through a lot a lot of things yeah there's like so much to do still and like there's like examples we could point to of like what we've been doing to act on things I think within each of them or there's stuff in the works like the city's getting a new website and you know making it accessible is a big priority year so I don't know like obviously that's going to be like virtually impossible to read so I don't know if it's if the idea is just there were a lot of recommendations a lot of recommendations but one you know one per slide like the operational relational instructional which will still be a lot of words but you could like almost even like bold or highlight like a couple of examples within that and or like put them in a different color or something and say like for example here's some of the operational pieces that we've been working on and here's so I don't know what the goal is that you were yeah yeah I think I was thinking of like there's a lot of recommendations some of these are very easy some of these were a lot harder yeah um but like not a lot harder but like are more structural and some of these are you know just check the box and be done and some of them are much more um are yeah are more structural I think that's how I would frame this and then I think the next slide said seven is where I'm like here's what we've been focusing on here like the changes that we are working on implementing that have so I think a lot of them too are also more internal and are more about like like staff trainings and things um and so like here's some like changes that we would want to make but I'm totally up for changing any and all of this is why we're doing this so I mean like do you think it'd be better to have it be like one by one and be like here all of the like let's read over all of the recommendations and yeah pull them out does that make sense I would learn if you take the slide six and make it and split it out and call it equity assessment recommendations and then yeah each each one of those three categories gets its own slide okay and you can just you know sort of use the same heading and just call them a b and c or one two and three or something like that yeah cool and then you know instead of having them all look like a paragraph just you know line them out yeah okay and I can do this after the meeting too but like one of the points that could be made um so you know I think like your idea of just kind of just like demonstrating there's a lot and there they were both like operational within city and like more structural and some like all the points you just made um but there it's also like looking at it it's not all the work of this committee like it's which for the meeting like there was a whole police review committee so there's a bunch of policing and there's like ongoing work to be done there but like um they might see things if they actually have time to read it quickly that are like oh that's actually the kind of thing my committee should be working on right so one other can you guys can I ask there's just like jump in on this too as we're going if I'm like not capturing the key points here like on you on Monday I'm just like unmuting and jumping in so that's okay one other thing sorry go ahead then and then I think the stipend slides are out of order is that right perhaps Q&A well and we should probably put in more of the materials that we just went over in today so well I don't know if they're out of order I don't know how you think about it they seem a little much meshed to me yeah I think we should put in more about like what are the stipends yeah um when you we had the next step uh filling out the survey has that survey been sent out how is that going to be distributed I still don't think it's been finalized by you know discourse so but yeah it's like ready to go and so here's the link for that so Shayna we don't have that much time I just want to say this uh should we put some time on the first slide which says not the first but agenda yeah and you'll also answer the Michael's question right how many minutes so then people might have some kind of general idea for each section yeah I thought I had that written out somewhere but I'm not I was trying to pull it up earlier so this is like not quite the background is a little bit not user-friendly um anyway um so it's basically like we want to have a lot of time for discussion right so at least 90 minutes for this right the whole meeting is 90 minutes yeah okay do we know yet do we know yet how many people are coming um I think they sent a bunch of people at rsvp let me see if I can pull it up nope 40 people have been invited I don't see if anyone is rsvp besides myself but I think Cameron said that she had gotten rsvp I just am not seeing them on the google meeting I'm not on the google calendar right yeah yeah discussion might be like 15 minutes right then yeah yeah does that make sense yeah I think so then Michael can arrange the timing right okay right we have a total of 50 minutes I don't know five minutes to each person I like talking a lot so five minutes won't be enough for me but probably everybody will be respecting the time all right I do under my oh what um it's gonna be it's gonna be tricky getting all that in depending upon how how many different committees there are that are represented oh yeah so like if they need to break go into breakout rooms but I think we found last meeting that it was really helpful to have everyone together so you lose time when you go into into breakout rooms right um if we just but then everyone definitely gets a chance to go kind of thing yeah I'm just assuming that Jeremy will at some point have a list and he'll he will call on people um so it's not this who's next and you know that kind of quiddling your thumbs waiting yeah I just decided a meeting like that where I was like I'm committed to not calling on people and then it was disastrous anyway sorry what do you anticipate as evaluation here you have it's like how does this mean to go any recommendations for next time so you know I think that I would prefer I mean I think it's very difficult to do evaluation as a group but you know just ask people to send comments yeah rather than you know have a conversation about it right away and that will give us a little extra time great or you can you can make a form if you want and and you know they can they can print it out um Helen I believe that is your section do you feel good about yeah like for evaluation having people you know your thoughts and comments or making a form I thought we are just talking about oh we have talked this this this yes so thank you for your comments I thought the evaluation would be like that but if you are talking about like exit survey or something then I can just prepare something right which which one do we want I know I know you that we will we will take the response later than the meeting so we don't have to put evaluation there then yeah I think you can you mention you know make sure that you mention it and please please send us an evaluation but I think given that given the restrictions on the amount of time doing it as a group we won't we won't make it okay I will prepare something this week and by weekend then I can share with Shayna okay okay cool yeah great I'm gonna lock this down um Lauren I know we're out of time but do you want to just say one word about the meeting tomorrow I cannot make the meeting tomorrow so um the homelessness task force is hosting a meeting talking about at least inspired by the like challenges around the Gerton Park structure that's like next to the drawing board and issues that various community members are raising about I think what should happen with that particular structure but I think just like broader issues around um you know how we're kind of dealing I don't know I don't know the total scope of the meeting um obviously the homelessness task force is like thinking broadly about how we're um supporting people experiencing homelessness in our community um but it was it's kind of sparked by that and I hope they're hoping to get like a variety of perspectives there's a lot of people upset about what's happening there's people obviously who use the structure and so I know that they particularly wanted to invite this group um to come and you know if anyone's available so it is I believe um 6 30 to 8 p.m. tomorrow um April 7th and there's both a zoom option and I think an in-person option at City Hall and the City Council Chambers um so I'm planning to zoom in um I can't be there in person but I will be on zoom but if anyone else is interested I think it would be great um and Shayna I'm going to send you a call suggested just reordering a little bit of the stipend slides um awesome thank you thank you thanks for sending those edits so thank you for pulling this all together all right I've got a hop I'm sorry it's like 9 o'clock at the beginning okay see you all bye