 Okay, good morning, everyone. Welcome to our latest a day in the life program. We're thankful that you're joining us on this sunny Sunday morning. We have a really great program today. We're very excited about. And before we start, I wanted to just go through a couple of things. Although I'm sure everyone is now a zoom expert having been quarantined for so long. If you have a question at any point for our guests, please use the Q&A feature, which is at the bottom of your screen. You can find that you can post a question at any time there will be a Q&A portion of the program. Bed for Playhouse. We really appreciate you're joining us for what we're calling Virtual Playhouse. As some of you may know, the governor has given approval from Ruby theaters to reopen as of this past Friday. And we hope to be reopening very soon once we are confident that all of our safety protocols and other procedures are in place. We're almost there. 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Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Rebecca, the floor is yours. Okay, great. So I think actually Mindy, do you want to get started? But I think what we should do before we even, if we could just go around and just talk about kind of our backgrounds and then Mindy will get started with the first book. I'm going to get started with the second book and then Yuki is going to go into the illustrations and the process of from beginning to end. So I'll just start off. My name's Rebecca Eisenberg. Most people call me Becca. I live here right down the street from Bedford Playhouse, which is great. I am a speech language pathologist. I've been a speech pathologist for 20 plus years. And I'm also a children's book author and I also have a book blogger and I also have a podcast. I do a lot of different things. I live things that I'm like so excited to be here today to be here with Mindy and Yuki. We're such a great team. And we're just really excited to read the box and to talk about the process because it's been about 10 years, almost 10 years that we've been working together. And such a great collaboration. So it's so exciting to be here. So thank you. Thanks, Becca. I'm Mindy Weinbrenner. I'm a special educator. I've been a special educator for about 16 years. I started in the classroom as a pre K teacher. And now for the last about 11 years I've worked in infants and toddlers early intervention going into homes, working with children, zero to four, who have developmental disabilities and their families. And I am also a children's author. And I live in Maryland, Ellicott City, Maryland. I have two young boys and two adorable Chihuahuas. And I'm happy to be here today. Thanks Mindy and Becca. My name is Yuki. I used to live in New York City, but I moved to sunny Florida about seven years ago, I think. I use, I have a background in design and I worked in home furnishing textile designs and apparel graphics textile design. And I am currently working for a design company here in Tampa, doing mural designs are installations and graphic design like branding and stuff like that and monkey balloon was, it was the first children's book that got published and I illustrated. So it's been a great journey together all three of us so. All right, let's get going. Okay, um, before I read the monkey balloon I just wanted to give a brief description of how it got started. Becca is my sister's best friend from college and she and I have a always shared a passion of children obviously. But my sister was talking to Becca and she knew that I always wanted to write a children's book so she kind of put us in touch with each other. And I just remember one night, probably in about 2010 I had a little baby she had a toddler. And we would talk at night and we would just come up with ideas about this book and Becca had an idea about a balloon floating away because her daughter crazy. Had lost the balloon and she wondered where it went so that's kind of where it started. And then we both have a love of monkeys so we decided to make the monkey balloon. And then after we got the book going, talking back and forth for months and months, we knew we needed illustration so I thought you know my best friend from college had a sister Yuki who is amazing artist so I said let's call you can see if she'd be up for it. And we called her and she she was on board and that's kind of how it all started with the three of us. And then we went into the process of trying to get the book published and then doing self publishing and it kind of took off from there but that was just a brief, brief background, but I really want to get the shown to you so that you can kind of see what it's all about. So hopefully can see this is the monkey balloon. There we go. You can see the beautiful illustration. All right. So our characters in the book are poppy. Sorry, it's all backwards for me poppy and Mimi. There we go. All right. Balloon says Mimi. Which one would you like as poppy. I want the monkey balloon. Let's take the monkey balloon for a walk says poppy. Where do you think the monkey balloon went as poppy. Maybe the monkey balloon is eating ice cream at the ice cream shop says Mimi. Only people eating ice cream at the ice cream shop. Maybe the monkey balloon is going down the slide says Mimi. No, there's only a little girl going down the slide says Mimi. Maybe the monkey balloon is riding the school bus says Mimi. There are only children riding on the school bus says Mimi. Maybe the monkey balloon is swimming with fish in the ocean says Mimi. No, there are only fish swimming in the ocean says Mimi. Maybe the monkey balloon is at the zoo says Mimi. Looks like he's found his friend says poppy reaches up and poppy gets the balloon for her poppy and Mimi walk home with the monkey balloon. So that's the end and the special thing about our book is back and I came together and we decided we wanted to put language and learning tips at the end of our book. So we used our background and speech pathology and special education and what we know about literacy and we came up with about 10 tips. So we wanted to help educators and parents learn how to read the book with their child and these tips can be used for the monkey balloon or they can be used for any, any book really, but it really breaks it down into different areas of language and learning language development and literacy development for the monkey balloon. So that was the first book and what happened after we published this first book is, you know, it was our first time doing it so we really didn't know how to market it. So I did and Becca to and Yuki did some events to we just, we, I mean, I called any children's venue that I could think of children's bookstores children's play places, trampoline places anywhere that I thought children would be and I asked that they would mind if I came and read the book and that's kind of how we got started doing book readings. And when we did them, the children love the book, but there are always two things that they said they wanted to see what happened next with the monkey balloon, and they also wanted the parents really wanted a hard back book. So those two things kind of got us moving in the next, our next step. We wanted to make another book, and we had a lot of ideas, and then we wanted to see if we could make a book that was hardback. So that's kind of how we got started with our next step, which was we created a Kickstarter campaign in order to find the second book, and we went with a different self published publishing company called mascot books who does hardback books. So I don't, I don't know if now is a good time to share our, we did a Kickstarter campaign and we made a video, which is kind of neat to see. And we have, we have it to share with you. So this was our Kickstarter page. So we did the first block, we decided for the second block that we were going to do a Kickstarter campaign. And I don't know if anyone that's done the Kickstarter. It does take a lot of planning and the fact that it was me, Mindy and you can do it together made it really, really great because we just collaborated together on, you know how we're going to set up the campaign. So what we're going to make things to about a Kickstarter is, you know, getting the illustrations out making sure that, you know, people know what the book is about. And also just setting up like what people are going to, for anyone who doesn't know what Kickstarter is a crowdfunding website, and so people, you put up a certain amount that you want to that you need to raise in order to publish the book or any product there's anything from Kickstarter. So we came up with well what if people donated a certain amount what what were they going to get in exchange, but one fun fact that I want to just say that is still so crazy is that the three of us have actually never been together, physically in the same place at one time. We've been together separately like me and Mindy been together me and Yuki have been together Mindy. I mean, Mindy and Yuki have been together with the three of us haven't. So anyway, it's, it could really we collaborated so well and so much on so many different platforms way before zoom, we would just have So anyway, so I'm going to get I'm just going to show you the video that that you can make and it's Mindy voice in the background. So I'm going to I'll read to share my computer sounds. That's one thing I have learned before. In 2014, our biggest dream came true. We published our first book, The Monkey Balloon. Many of our readers asked us to write another book. So in our second book, A Tale of the Monkey Balloon, we take you on a unique journey through magical fairy tales. The magnificent illustrations by artist Yuki Osaka capture the reader's imagination. The educational tips provided allow teachers and parents to advance literacy and language skills. Help us make our young readers smile by donating towards publishing A Tale of the Monkey Balloon. So what I'm going to do next is now that we've talked about Kickstarter a little bit actually, and the Kickstarter, the great thing about Kickstarter is that it's like all we've got, you go back to our Kickstarter page is still there. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to read A Tale of the Monkey Balloon, which it took us a while to get the name because we went back and forth and got a lot of different things. So just to kind of give a little bit of a background, we actually wrote the book and actually had it illustrated before we even really going into the Kickstarter. And then once we got the Kickstarter, then we were able to enter into publishing. We made a couple of tweaks and actually Yuki will explain that a little bit later about the illustrations. So just to also let you know as far as like anyone that's like interested in how long it might take to write a children's book. Some people think that writing a picture book doesn't take that long because it's like oh well it's not that many words and it shouldn't take that long it actually took us. I mean it takes years to write a picture book. I mean, I've done picture books and less than that. But I mean in most of it, it's a pretty complicated process because you really have to think about the words and the pictures and how everything flows. And also what the perspective is from a child listening to this book and reading this book. So as an adult, it's going to be different than as a child. So, you know, Mindy and I both had like the we also have you know we had our kids but also, you know, I do a lot of readings during during therapy so we learned a lot as well as like how what kids questions that came up and just what just to reiterate what Mindy had said about you with their second book we want to continue embedding those those language steps literacy and language into the book and then also it's about how we read the book as well. So just to kind of as a tip is when you're reading the book we read it a little bit more slowly and we may you know ask some questions encourage commenting. And also I always tell parents to encourage rereading the book repeated readings are great just because you read it once doesn't mean we can't read it. You know, a lot more times because there's a lot of things that come about when you read again that you might not have noticed from the first time. So we have a little bit of a background about how we thought of the second the second book. So we all, you know, me and Indian Yuki love fairy tales. And so it was one of those things that I think all three of us you know we grew up with. And we wanted to bring back into this book and we thought how amazing would it be for the monkey balloon to go through the different fairy tales like those classic fairy tales and three little bears and so, and Goldilocks. So we were really excited to write this book and to see it come to life. So okay so I'll just get started. I'm going to take my monkey over here. So earlier that day so what we did was up for anyone who is reading who who read the first book and have the first book. We wanted to just, you know, kind of like recall a little bit and this is good for recalling information for kids, like what happened in the first ball. Okay, so you know it got the balloon monkey balloon it flew away, and then maybe got it back. Okay, so this is like, and it also is a standalone book as well. So we don't want to feel people to feel like they had to get the first book to read the second book. So you could date their standalone books they are a series but we don't want to feel people they're like not understand the second one if they hadn't read the first one. Okay, it's been a long day let's take the monkey balloon home says copy. Mimi, would you like to hear a good night story as poppy. Yes, how about my favorite book of fairy tales as Mimi, good choice Mimi, I'll be right up says poppy. Okay, once upon a time. Good night Mimi says poppy. Oh my monkey balloon says Mimi. I think it went as poppy. Maybe the monkey balloon is eating porridge you three bears house says Mimi. So just to let you know it was the repetitive lines we also repeated the wrap off box. So we wanted to kind of keep it the same thing so over here she's crying because she doesn't know where the monkey balloon one. There he is. So quick. Now only the little girl with yellow curls is eating porridge at the three bears house is Mimi. Maybe the monkey balloon is hiding from the big bed well from the brick houses Mimi. Now only the three little pigs are hiding from the big bed wall from the brick houses Mimi. Maybe the monkey balloon is baking in the oven with the gingerbread cookies says Mimi. Now only the gingerbread cookies are baking in the oven run run as fast as you can says Mimi. Maybe the monkey balloon is climbing up the beanstalk says Mimi. Now only the little boy is climbing up the beanstalk said Mimi. Maybe the monkey balloon is walking in the forest to visit grandma says Mimi. Now only the little girl with the red hood is walking in the forest to visit grandma says Mimi. My monkey balloon is missing have any of you seen it as Mimi. There it is there's my monkey balloon home at Laugh says Mimi. Mimi is in bed at Laugh says Mimi. Mimi gives monkey balloon big kiss. And then she is in bed and she has all the characters in the back here. Mindy and Yuki and I really thought about just adding the little features throughout the book. And that's what I talk about repeated readings are really great because maybe the first one you might not notice that Mimi has the golden egg as she is traveling to the next scene. She has a little object from the previous scene. And why that's so great is that that's a great way for parents or teachers to be able to say hey, you know, oh, she has the golden egg. Why does she have the golden egg, the golden egg is from not and then be able to recall that information from the last scene. And then in the end, just talking about, you know, all the different characters and who is who is in this story and kind of what also what happens like was it a dream or did it really happen. And so maybe and I also did the evidence based tips in the back as well for parents teachers therapist. And then we just have our, and actually one of the things that I love that you can get over here was that we made a map. And we just talked about where we were so you know I'm up here in New York and maybe he's in Maryland and you can down in Florida so that was like a little tip that we had there. And I also want to talk about what kind of goes along with the box so all the different things that we have available that are better that are free and available on our website. So I'm just going to in the background here I have sequencing cards that this is I'll show you in a minute on the website that it's all available for free if you just print it. And I use the sequencing cards all the time and I'm like reading the book in person and also virtually. I'll just show them the different sequences and I'm in person the kids will put in order the sequencing of the cards and then they'll they'll just retell me the story. So this is a nice visual tool when you're when you're reading to your kids. And one of the other favorite things that I got me that maybe and I also have for our readings are these felt pieces that we got made as a reading the story. And so I also we put these on the felt board as well and well that's part of the things that we do in person. I'm just going to go through for a couple minutes, just talking about our website and what's available on there and then we will. I'm going to hand it over to you. So I'm just going to go over over here. This is our website over here. And this is a link to our Kickstarter but over here under resources. We have a lot of great resources on here that it's all free and it's all available. So you print it. So we have our articles that's just some short articles about reading and one of them which you can talk about is that the silhouettes, but we have vocabulary less. We have how it really how it aligns with core curriculum for for kindergarten I believe it's first grade we have out there as well. The sequencing cards are up here. So right here, you can go ahead and you can just print them right here download the cards right there. This is our teacher lesson plan, my friend Jessica, who is works for the department at Ed and so here's a unit plan over here in the common core worksheet. I also have I work with children and adults with complex communication use communication systems. So I also talked about here by adapting the book and also making communication communication board with it. So that's also on there about how I did that. Writing activities, the three of us work on together. So we have a question worksheet or writing and drawing activity. And then over here is that common core worksheet and arts and crafts activities. We can keep you busy all day. So we have crafts on here ready and drawing a coloring game with some words is just a nice literacy activity for young kids. We have coloring pages and then if you haven't had enough language and learning tips here on the bottom over here. So I'm going to, I'm going to hand it over to you, because I could talk correctly. I know I don't want to see the illustration. So I had the opportunity to illustrate both books and it was such a great challenge and it was very exciting to put images to the story that was written and how what was the best way to write a story tell through illustrations. So what I want to show you is Becca is going to share a screen is a PDF that I put together. It shows different stages of the process, and he could scroll to first page. So at the beginning, in the beginning of the book, the first book, Mindy and Becca had this story written out, and we were ready to start putting illustration sketches and even though these are in color, these are actually rough sketches that sort of, we wanted to make sure like story had a sequencing flow and it told a narrative and it made it sort of solidify the visual look, and we wanted to make sure the colors were vibrant. And we talked about the characters being in the silhouette, because we wanted any of the readers to be able to reflect, like relate to the characters. So even though the characters have names Mimi and Poppy, it could be anybody and and so at the first page, we started to develop the look and a layout and I wanted to have sort of like the coloring book and cut out look that textures of the colors and different like shades of colors would come out. And it also brought focus to the monkey balloon, which you could see you can obviously spot throughout the vibrant pages but because of the simple background colors and elements. You could notice like you could, you sort of pick up on each of what the gestures of the characters are doing. And so, if you go to the second page of the PDF. We start developing the idea of like, Oh, Mimi asked a question like is a monkey balloon. Is it is it doing something with a thought balloon. And then the following page will have a spread of a vibrant illustration that shows like oh no only like fish are in the ocean sort of a thing and towards the end of the first round of sketches it starts to get really rough but what what the important thing of this exercise is that it tells the visual story what the lines are going to be and also another thing to consider when we're we knew we wanted to have the actual physical book so we wanted to make sure things were not going to fall into the gutter which is like where the page opens. So even though on this sketch, I have some other characters that are main important thing falling to the center of the page. So I had to make sure when I was illustrating it, it wasn't going to fall into the space. And another thing you have to kind of consider is the number of pages that are in a book and any picture books it has to be even pages, even number of pages. And so that's why we had to keep it, except for the last last page it will become a half page. And so this illustration show this is the, this is a sketch, and then at the bottom of this image is the final that got into the book. So you see the similarities but you notice things have shifted, and also nothing falls into the center of the page. And it also shows like the foreground and the background and what's more important your eyes look into the whole layout and be like, oh okay, this develops the hierarchy of the visual. And on the next slide. This is another one where the sketch shows a bit more like a rough illustration, but it sort of puts where like the colors coming together and playing off each other. And this sets up a scene and what we wanted to do was we wanted each illustration to have more conversations, like kids could ask teachers could ask the students like how many people are fishing or what how many boats what kind of colors do you see how many fish are out there what kind of colors are on the illustration. And I think we were very conscious of trying to make those visual. Like Easter eggs almost like oh, this is what's happening throughout each of the page. And let's see. Oh, this one too. I think in the initial and the early stages of our brainstorming I think I visually had this idea of oh I wanted this vibrant colors of New York City maybe like a street busy street scene. But then in the end we decided to make it to a school bus with kids playing the background. So it's a lot more. In a way it's kids friendly. Let's see. So when we started to talk about the second book, we knew we were going to be self publishing. Again, but I think with mascot books we were allowed to have more pages, even though it's supposed to be even numbers we were given a lot of page options, I think it might have changed. But I think, even for this book we wanted to make sure the visual narrative kind of continued on with the questions being asked and a full spread. One of the things that was challenging about this book was the moment where Mimi starts to fall asleep to when the dream starts to happen. We wanted to make sure that, you know, people, the readers were sort of, they got the visual. Oh, it's okay. You can show that part. So initially, if you scroll back up a little bit on the same page, the sketch is that Mimi falls asleep with a bubble and a monkey balloon flying into the forest. And the first round of sketch I did at the bottom is that Mimi's falling asleep, but the scenery didn't look like it was a nighttime even though it was supposed to be. And it started, we were afraid I was going to give a little confusing message. So what we ended up doing was we separated so that you see that Mimi's falling asleep and the scenery is dark. And then she's starting to dream. And then the story develops into, even though, you know, it's a nighttime she's falling asleep but stories develops into a daytime because it's a dream and a fairy tale. And that if you could go back to more the rough sketches for this for second book. Yeah, grow and scroll up one more. So, and same thing happens with this is that we want to and we also have fun time picking which fairy tales that we were going to pick from. I think, I think we could have done way more. Many more pages of children's book, you know, with fairy tales like Oh, is it, you know, Snow White and the seven doors or something but we decided to pick the ones we chose and, and you can see on a sketch that Mimi's holding the golden egg from the previous pages. And I think on the previous pages, I think Poppy's wearing a straw hat from the three pigs. And I think the gingerbread cookie is like walking with them while they're walking to the next page. So we have a lot of fun putting those images together. And I think throughout the whole book we really didn't put too much expressions on the characters faces except for. I think they're like, at the end of the first book where Mimi is hugging about monkey balloon. And also for this book when Mimi wakes up. And also sees the monkey balloon, I think those are the only time to really showed expressions in the eyes otherwise we wanted to show just a silhouette. So kids could sort of see more of a gestural drawing. Yeah, let's see. If you could scroll down to the next page. Next page. So this was like the rough sketch. And then what I do a lot of the drawings. I do all our drawings on a computer but what I do is I create them. It's kind of rough to figure out what where things are going to fall layout wise, and we knew where we wanted the text to fall and everything so it didn't interrupt, it was easy to read and didn't interrupt the illustration. And so I use Adobe programs to illustrate. So if you scroll down a little bit, you'll see a flat clean illustration. What I do is I bring it into Photoshop on the next image and add a little bit of textures softening of the images so that there's a little more life added into the layers. And this is the part where any of like three of us when we're working, we see it happen, we're like, Oh wow, it comes alive, and we really enjoy seeing this transformation from a stick figure sketch stage to this. And if you scroll to the next page. I think there's another example. Oh, this is where the sequencing and a lot of things we have to talk it through to make sure it made sense and the pages fit right. And we're happy with the outcome and Oh, this is it so. Yeah. I just I just also want to say to like everyone being on the same page and we just got very lucky that the three of us see things in a very similar way. Like Mindy and I both together we kind of visualize things and then you keep like she has a yes. I mean we we talk about it but she just she just brings it to life and we have this really nice collaboration I think that, you know, to write and to illustrate with somebody you need that collaboration together, because this work could be in somebody else's mind may not be what is in the illustrator's mind but we just have this like kind of really nice collaboration together will be all visually kind of see the same thing. So back up. We have a question. Do you want me to read it. Oh sure. Yeah, go ahead. Laurie asked. She said this is great thanks three questions one, where do you get most of your sales to what offer offer was the most successful on Kickstarter and three are you in bookstores and libraries. So, you want me to answer that. Yeah, yeah, go for it. Where we get our most most far sales. I mean we're available on Amazon, as well as Barnes and Nobles, and you can find our links on the monkey balloon.com but I think also we're going to link some of this up for you guys. We do get sales through that. But we also have gotten creative with how we get some of our sales. I mean we've done a lot of the book readings, where we do book signings. And then, over the past couple years, back and I both have gone into schools and done like pre order forms which I think was really successful, where the families at the schools would pre order a book and then we would be able to be able to personalize that and sign up for each child and we go in and do the reading. So we found like different ways to bring attention to our book and get sales through that. What's the next question. That's a longer link but I just put a link in for the app for Amazon. It's also available on mascot also as well but yeah and yeah that's where I would say we're getting most of our sales is online. Yeah. And then what offer was the most successful on Kickstarter. If I had to guess it was probably. I feel like we got the most. When we did either one or two I think you got one or two books and bookmarks. It was probably within the $25 to $50 range we got the most. I think for Kickstarter for us the mascot book. What was different about mascot book was that it wasn't print on demand so we had to pay for the amount of books we wanted printed, and we had to also consider the shipping and storage fee for these books that got printed I think in the end the amount we were trying to raise got a little higher than the actual book, because we have to consider all those things in, I think. Yeah, and just for anyone who's like the difference between print on demand versus versus just actually like well not print on demand the absolute way you're print on demand means that that they're only printing what you order. So for a lot of bookstores we also are in some bookstores as well. I'm not really near me, I were in some bookstores. But the one thing about our second book is that it is, there's, that's why I went with this with mascot, because for the second book is that bookstores could return. They could return our books because they can't return print on demand books. I think there's a little bit of a difference, I mean that's kind of like another discussion is a difference between the two. I think there's pros and cons to each. I think that like it's kind of nice that we have both. But for, yeah, but for the second one, it was a different kind of also expanded distribution, I just think that it was easier to come to get out. On the other side, we also have to pay for the story screen and all that other stuff. But the Kickstarter I think just as an added bonus I feel like it was a great way to get our book out there. So for anyone who is interested in doing a Kickstarter, I mean I think that it's a great way to just get your get your book out there your product out there and get people to know what you're working on. Guys, we actually have a question that was submitted by email to one of our email addresses so I'm just going to read it to you guys can can answer it. This is kind of what we were just talking about so the first part of the question is with regard to Kickstarter do you have a sense on how far your reach was like were you getting people who were mostly like your circle of friends and family or were you really reaching people across the country who happened to be interested in this particular endeavor. And the second part of the question is as self publishers. How did you find the trade off between assuming that self publishers you don't have an editor looking over your shoulder from like a publishing house, like, how much of a difference to that making your in your process. Well, it's okay if I answer that. So I think, I think as far as the editing go we definitely got editing from self publishing. You definitely need actually one of the great things about the three of us working together is that we have three different three pairs of eyes looking at it at a manuscript. So I think that's the first thing but I think anytime you publish you definitely need an editor. You need people to read it because sometimes when you're looking at your work, you sometimes forget like you could overlook a mistake. For sure I've done that before. And so it's important for it to have the editor we actually had an editor for for when we did the first book which is the print on demand. And we also had an editor at mascot, who also went through and edited the manuscript as well. I'm sorry, Dan, what was the first question again. The first question was regarding your Kickstarter campaign like how, how, what was the extent of the reach I guess for the people that donated like were you getting people really from like across the country who happened to be interested in this particular project or was it mostly like friends and family and like your own circle of people. Well, I think from, I mean, and you guys add to Mindy and you can I mean I think for the three of us because there was three of us. It was mostly I would say within our within like our circle but I feel like it extended beyond I know Mindy did a podcast and we got more people to also donate. And it was kind of mostly our circles I would say right guys but then it like extend a little bit beyond that as well. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Awesome. Okay. I want to just reiterate this. This was great guys if there are any more questions please post them in the q amp a forum, but I want to just remind everybody who's who's tuned in that there is a recording of this that we're going to post on the bed for the Playhouse YouTube channel and everyone who has registered or signed in will get an email with the link in case they want to rewatch or share or, you know, however, the basic fit the user they find it can be useful to them. And we will also include some of the information that Rebecca was talking about you guys can forward that we'll include that in the email to so that if there are any links, the Amazon link and a few others, and resources, anything you guys want to share with regard to that. We will also distribute that to everybody as well so they'll that that'll be coming in the next couple of days. So look out for that. Are there any more questions. I'm just checking the email one more time just to be sure. We have you have a comment which is a congratulation. Thank you so much. Congratulations. The book is great. Thank you for sharing keep writing and illustrating Amen to that. You guys have another project in the works. Is there something else. Is there another sequel coming or are we jumping too far ahead. I think we've been talking about. We're definitely talking about it. I feel like we never, there's no real end to it that's the great thing about, I think writing and illustrating together. It's that it's just like this really fun project that kind of like makes me feel like a kid again. Right, because it's just fun, and it's, I don't know, I love it it gets me excited. Anything to do with box. I just get really excited, especially monkey born. I think we learned a lot from the two different processes of publishing on our own like I think for the third book will likely be doing self publishing, not a hardcover I don't know if we could. Nowadays we could do hardcover on print on demand. I don't know how that works. But I think we have learned a lot from, you know, both different methods so it's something to consider for sure. Great. All right, ladies thank you so much. And again we will actually I will turn my video on so I'm not a disembodied voice. We will again send that information around but this was really fantastic thank you to the three of you for taking your time out of your Sunday mornings to join us and everybody who was watching. We'll be back with this series, hopefully in a couple of months we do these quarterly. So look for that and hopefully we'll be able to do a follow up with you guys on the next book. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks have a great day everybody. You too. Have a good one.