 G'day mate 40 here doing the gorgeous manly to spit bridge walk and listening to some Some twaddle on Alex cashooters podcast. So her guest is so-so Shona yoshka Let me fight Sort of where my issues with people that you Christianity is like the singular most important factor just in the right politics Okay, there aren't any intellectuals who view Christianity as a singular most important factor in distant, right politics I mean Nick Fuentes may use that rhetoric, but something he says that shows he's got you know any grounding as a scholar of Christianity or theologian I mean no one is saying The things that so says fighting against here My Christian nationalist aren't saying that I didn't say not saying oh, this is the be all and end all that's all there is to it It's you know, nothing else that we need to Investigate we just have to look into the book. We'll get all the answers No one says this Well gosh Now I've known hundreds of religious people in my life Nobody's ever claimed that religion is all the answers brought up into one Just a great job here. So such a new yoshka and destroying it straw man incredibly powerful point like who would have Who would have ever realized these insights if you hadn't come along and provided them? just absolutely devastating to a Point of view that has never been expressed by anyone intelligent I also She's slowly coming to the conclusion that Christianity isn't the be all and end all and I love these beautiful red gumtrees right so until now she She's thought Christianity was the be all and end all and had the answer to all questions I think so A little bit about the appeal of something like a title is just in the sense of okay, you have an external Framework, it's an errand. It's based in some External observer and then just yeah, you cannot have objective morality unless you have a transcendent source of morality so There's a pretty good case to be made for the importance of having a transcendent source of morality because then it becomes objective There's objective good and evil so if you can tie it into a divine revelation Yeah, you'd think you'd have a lot of advantages By anchoring into something you you know essentially can build a more solid structure around it I don't think that's possible. I don't think necessarily religion is something that translates into politics in any good way Well, why I mean can Can soccer can soccer moms translate into politics can translate into politics can podcasting translate into politics If everything else can have a political dimension why can't religion the essence of politics as Kashmir pointed out is the friend enemy distinction And so the friend enemy distinction can absolutely Divide up on religious grounds some circumstances. That is the essence the friend enemy distinction So it doesn't see how you can claim all this should be separate from politics that obviously has not been throughout history Oh, you won't have good politics and good religion if you marry the two Well, sometimes in some circumstances this subset of culture does become Essential to the friend enemy distinction and whether or not you think that's good. That is the nature of reality All right, so you just want to talk from a naturalistic humanistic perspective then religion is a subset of culture that aims to provide comfort to people and It provides identity in an in-group and in groups are Explosively, you know possibly political So like why should this one aspect of life, you know never have a political expression? I mean, of course, it's gonna have a political expression at certain times and certain circumstances and There's no platonic no ideal of Good politics or good religion, right? They're just various adaptations to a complicated Painful and difficult world is something that translate translation politics in any good way You know, you won't have good politics and you won't have good religion if you well the conservative Political parties of Europe are basically Christian Democrats. All right they have some grounding in a traditional conception of life and and moderately free markets and That seems to have worked for Well over a hundred years in Europe So just because America has this ideal that Church and state should be separate doesn't mean that that's right for everyone in all circumstances It's you know, it should be I think for for people in our spirit and in general should be a matter of personal commitments And nothing that you know that Because it does ignore a lot of our religion should just be personal. All right, so I Mean, I'm guessing she's just been exposed to a particular type of religion that is just you know personal faith but Religion is something that is lived by human bodies, right bodies that lost bodies that hate bodies that fear Our bodies that see threats to its survival Bodies that organize with other bodies in communities that you just can't have religion Purely separate from the political and the social and the cultural Elements like for example immigration like under another you know a Christian system They just come in you say the appropriate words and you make the appropriate commitments, you know Honestly or dishonestly and then politically even you become a sort of the factor citizen of the oh, so which Christian nationalist groups advocate this I'm not aware of any who do all the Christian nationalist groups of which I'm aware when immigration restriction so Christianity Was married to nationalism for hundreds of years I'd up until the 19th century. It was also married to a specific sense of people and race All right, so Christianity marched hand-in-hand along with strong racial and national identity up until about the 18th 19th century and then The mainstream of Christianity started diverging moving in more egalitarian and universalist tendencies But that's the product of a particular time and place. It's not you know, just some essential Unchanging eternal essence of Christianity Sometimes Christianity is a force for racism. Sometimes it's not sometimes Christianity is a valuable aid for national identity Sometimes it's not depends on time and place You make the appropriate commitments, you know, honestly or dishonestly and then politically even You become a sort of the factor citizen of the new system There's no reason to exclude anyone or to have any sort of ranking or hierarchy or preference system if the the baseline is okay Do you accept, you know, the Lord extra wide depending on what your real system is? So, yeah I think that's that's a really big blind spot. Yeah, I think Oh, that's a big blind spot by by Christians who are interested in the wider society around them And it's a blind spot that they've just they've never thought of it before I can tell Alex Kishu to brought it up and Sosa Churny Oscar It never occurred to them Do you Christian nationalist realize that you've got this giant blind spot and now it's being exposed by Alex Kishu to and so so So so Churny Oscar, they've just Exposed this blind spot that they've they're presenting ideas and analyses here and critiques that you've never heard of before This is amazing stuff More often than not there like Christian charity and I can empathize with the idea of like, you know, helping Yeah, sometimes Christianity has been a force for immigration restriction and racial and national identity And sometimes it's been for diluting that and creating a more Universalist and egalitarian and non-racial identity depends upon time and place like everything else Right It's a sort of suicidal Yeah, and that's never occurred to Christians, but this is just some blind spot right, I Don't think there are many Christians who regard Christianity as a suicide pact Right most most Christians do not engage in their religion With the understanding that it will mean, you know, the end of everything they hold sacred Yeah, yeah, because Christians they've never thought about race When did you ever hear a Christian talk about race? Christians and never thought about the composition of a nation never occurred to them before, right? That's absolute nonsense Christianity went hand-in-hand for hundreds and hundreds of years with strong racial and national identity At least guys have no sense of historicism