 Good afternoon and welcome to the webinar State of Donations. My name is Paul Waugh and I'm from N's NECTA and RDS and depends on the order of N's NECTA and RDS I could be coming from NRA. With me today is my colleague Susanna and we have a number of speakers for today. Today we have three panel members, Simon Huggins, chair of the Australian Alkut Advisory Group, Melroy, Melroy Technical Support Analysts from the Australian Access Federation, also the Australian Consortium Lead and Dr. Laurie Hart from Alkut Executive Directors. So I'm just going to pass control to Melroy who will be showing you a short video first. Alkut, the open researcher and contributor ID, is changing the way researchers connect to their works around the globe. The Alkut Consortium is a community of Australian organisations that takes a national approach to Alkut adoption and integration. By joining the Australian Consortium, your organisation can become a part of the national Alkut community. The Australian Alkut Consortium maximises the benefits for organisations, providing a premium membership, discounted fees, access to local support and a range of resources. Being part of the Consortium is being part of the national community. Whether you're integrating Alkut with your systems or working with researchers to maintain their records, the Australian Alkut Consortium has the resources and support you need. To find out more about how to become a part of the Australian Alkut Consortium, visit aaf.edu.au and search Alkut. Thanks Melroy and thanks Paul. So my name's Simon Huggadom, the chair of the Alkut Advisory Group. And so what I'm going to do is cover a few things today about the governance of the Alkut Consortium and what that means and talk a bit about the work that the Consortium does and resources. And then I'll pass over to Melroy who'll talk a bit more in a bit more detail about what the AAF provides as part of the Consortium Lead. So the Australian Alkut Consortium was launched in January 2016. So it's been around for some time and it was formed originally from out of some working groups that came out of some e-research conferences before that time. Led by Anne's there was some discussion around what Alkut was and how the Australian community could improve take up of Alkuts to help researchers identify their publications and their research outputs and gain credit for the work that they do in their research. So the Consortium has been around for a while. It consists as you can see on the graphic there of 40 members. So we have 37 universities, higher education institutions in Australia who are members. We have the two funders, the ARC and NHMRC that are members of the organisation. And we also have CSIRO as the research institution shown there on the graphic. And so the Consortium is run, so we have a governance committee and I'll cover what that means, but the Consortium Lead is the Australian Access Federation. So that's where the technical resources are and infrastructure available to help people to ensure that the Alkut infrastructure works well within their own organisation and they provide technical people and resources in order to do that. So who can be consortium members? So membership comes from those range of organisations that I mentioned before. So higher education institutions, not-for-profit organisations and government research institutes and funding agencies. So the consortium itself is a not-for-profit organisation. So the same types of institutions are members within the organisation so that we can help each other work towards ensuring that Alkut has a strong take up in our research community in Australia. So this is why those organisations, not vendors, not publishers, are part of that consortium because it's about our own organisations enabling that work to fund implementation within our institutions to be advocates for Alkut and to be able to enable that take up across the Australian community. Membership does cost money. So the consortium membership, there's fees to pay for your Alkut membership and there's a fee to become part of the consortium which pays for those technical resources and help that are provided in order to do that integration and work with each institution in order for them to ensure they have good take up of Alkut within their infrastructure. So this is a diagram showing the governance structure around Alkut and what we've set up. So the consortium works nationally and internationally to sustain the Alkut community and make sure that we are implementing best practice and best advice around how to ensure Alkuts are taken up properly by the community and working well within the international, the global infrastructure I guess to make sure that everything is connected and works well across different organisations. So we have the Alkut advisory group which I'll talk about in a minute. We have the consortium lead which is the Australian Access Federation and then we have the Alkut Consortium Governance Committee overseeing the work that's done within our community here. And there's also connections with the international Alkut board of which Laurie Hark is a member and she'll talk about how that fits in with what our infrastructure is doing and how our organisation fits with that. Within Australia we're fortunate at the moment in that Linda O'Brien, Pro-Vice Chancellor at Griffith University is on the international Alkut board. So she has been very valuable to be able to provide advice to the international community about how our governance works and how our take-up of Alkut has worked within this country and around our consortium and providing really good input into how that should work on a global scale and working towards common goals to make sure that take-up and resources and a good way of operating and how we talk about Alkut and what it means in terms of our communities will work well on an international scale. So the Australian Alkut advisory group is a part of the, it provides advice to the consortium. So the governance committee oversees what the Alkut advisory group does. So the governance committee acts as a key vehicle in guiding decision making for the consortium in Australia to make sure that it can operate effectively and sustainably into the future. We have representatives from a number of peak bodies in Australia who are part of that governance committee. If you want to know who the people who are on that governance committee it's on our AAF Alkut webpage and at the end of this presentation there'll be links to where that information sits and on that webpage there's a page covering governance of the Alkut advisory group, the Alkut governance committee and who those members are. And so I'm chair of the Australian Alkut advisory group. The membership of that group initially came from members of the working party that was set up a few years ago to look at how we would implement Alkut within Australia and what was the best practice that we could do to set that up. But the committee structure has changed a little bit, the committee membership has changed a little bit in the past couple of years and we've tried to get as many people as we can on that advisory group to ensure that we have proper you know diverse representation from around the community. So we have people from the AAF itself, from ANS, from the AIC and NHMRC, we have representatives from CORDIT and from CALL and as well as representatives who cover some of the research institutes so that we get a sense of you know a real wide representation across the community. And the advisory group which I chair, we meet quarterly via Zoom and we you know we provide advice on strategy and direction for Alkut for the take up within Australia and what we should be doing in terms of strategies around advocacy for Alkut. Now what that looks like from our own institution's points of view and from people we talk to and from some of the membership that we have on other committees and groups within and outside of our organisation so that we provide good advice to the consortium lead as to how what the strategies are where they should be putting their efforts in terms of providing support to the community in Australia. And so I'm also being chair of the advisory group, I have representation on the Governance Committee which meets once per year and so then we talk there about the overall directions for Alkut within Australia. And so some of the things that we've talked about you know what is our vision, what are our end goals here, what are we trying to achieve. So we've published a statement on the Australian Alkut website around Vision 2020 which are our aspirations for Alkut and what that means. And what we are trying to do as you can see from the slide there is really improve the take up of Alkut within our institutions and make that a lot easier for our institutions to have the right infrastructure and the right people to be able to take that up and reduce the barriers to actually taking up Alkut and what strategies each institution should do to achieve that vision. And we see a number of different bodies as being really important in that vision. So it's about our own institutions and what they can do, it's about the governance of our own institutions, it's around funding bodies and what they can do to help achieve those goals and government agents themselves as well as our own researchers and our own institutional members and being able to work towards a common goal hopefully by 2020 but you never know. We'll see how long that takes to actually improve how we can actually improve that take up across our institutions. And what we've done is we've developed, so the consortium, the AF have developed a few stories here around what does that look like from each person's point of view depending on where you sit, whether you're a funding body, whether you're a researcher who's applying for a grant from a funding body, whether you're from an institution where you're trying to improve your research profile and promote your research or you're an early career researcher who is just wanting to publish for the first time and where does ORCID fit within those stories and what benefit does it provide for each of those scenarios, those stories. So we've published these resources on the Australian ORCID website to help, possibly help you, help institutions who are wondering what ORCID is about and what it means to help you be an advocate for ORCID and why each institution should be engaging with that and what it means for your organisation. So I would recommend that you, that participants here go and look at those stories because they are very useful and they can be used for presentations or information sessions that you might be running or putting on your website around ORCID and why it's important for people to use their ORCID ID. I just want to briefly cover some statistics. So since the start of the ORCID consortium in 2016, these are the kind of numbers we're seeing. So the figure on the left of 116,000 odd affiliations in the ORCID registry is the number of times that an Australian affiliation is mentioned in someone's ORCID profile. So it's a large number. This is where somebody may be, it may be counted a few times. So because someone might, an individual who has an ORCID ID might have an affiliation with three different institutions. So in fact that that may be counted three times in those numbers. And then the figure on the right indicates how many ORCID IDs have an, you know, an Australian listed affiliation themselves where it looks like that person is coming from an Australian institution. So our numbers of 27,000 for us nationally are pretty good. But I still think there's quite a bit of work to do around those ensuring that that information is kept up to date in people's ORCID registry and populating those ORCID profiles with information from, you know, about people's research and about what they're doing. They're still, you know, a fair way to go. And I think when we look at our higher degree by research students, our PhD students and our early career researchers, they may also, you know, there's probably quite a bit of work to ensure that people have an ORCID ID and are using it in appropriate places to help them promote their own research and save them time in providing the same information over and over. So now I'm going to pass on to Mel Roy, who's going to tell us a bit more about the role of the AAF as consortium lead and what they do. Thank you for that, Simon. All right. As consortium lead, AAF has a number of responsibilities. The first one among them is technical support. So what AAF does is we provide tier one technical support to our consortium members. And we also escalate tier two support incidents to the ORCID support team. We also provide all our consortium members with unlimited one-on-one consultations to discuss their ORCID integrations as well as provide advice and guidance with regards to communication and outreach, which is good because the next point I was going to raise was outreach and communication. So what we do with regards to outreach and communication is participate in various webinars organized by other research partners to spread the ORCID message. We try and organize events to do so. We also participate in events and conferences that are related to research to promote the use of ORCID. And then we communicate with all our consortium members through various communication channels like newsletters, community forum posts, emails, et cetera. Then with regards to strategy, we liaise with our consortium members as well as ORCID itself to ensure that our members' interests are represented and we can provide feedback to ORCID via appropriate channels. We also participate in various ORCID working groups to understand how ORCID is used internationally as well as provide feedback and recommendations not only to our consortium members but also to ORCID about what's happening within Australia. And then we liaise with other consortia leads around the world to discuss with best practices currently following being followed by them and what they are doing with regards to ORCID. And then there's the administration part which involves renewal of licensing agreement every year with ORCID and the consortium members along with management of invoicing, billing, as well as membership. We also look at managing and onboarding new members, providing them with the right resources and tools to start off with the integration. Now with regards to a consortium member integrations, we've had 29 members who've done around 32 integrations between themselves, which some members have integrated more than one system with ORCID. Based on the graph about it's almost a 40-60 mix between custom integrations and vendor integrations. Now custom integrations are those integrations where universities have developed their own application to interface with the ORCID registry, whereas vendor systems vendor-based integrations in that institutions who already have a vendor-based system in place have just used their ORCID integration, inbuilt ORCID integration to interact with ORCID. Another thing about integrations is the collect and connect badges and it is a program that ORCID have developed. It's an initiative that the consortium leaders going to be targeting at consortium members who've done their ORCID integration because the idea behind collect and connect is to streamline the integration process as well as foster a shared user experience. What we expect researchers to do or what researchers would be doing is as and when they keep moving universities, they would be using their ORCID ID in different institutions and the idea is to provide them with the same sort of user experience they get so that it helps them understand what ORCID is, how to engage with it and keep that always uniform. So with the collect and connect there are four different badges. We have the collect badge which effectively is what you would get if you are collecting ORCID IDs using an integration where you authenticate it, where you get researchers to authenticate themselves to the ORCID registry. Then there is display which is a badge that you would get if you are displaying the collected ORCID IDs. Connect is a badge that's generally given to institutions who've demonstrated the fact that they can connect their system to the ORCID registry as well as upload things from their ORCID from their system to their research's ORCID profile. Whereas sync badges are awarded to universities who are able to synchronize their systems with ORCID which means if there's a change in the researcher's ORCID profile that's automatically reflected in their institutional system and vice versa. In the next month AAF will start communicating with members to try and get them to apply for their collect and connect badges where possible. Community forum so another initiative that the consortium has started is a community forum for consortium members to interact with each other and establish a community of practice. So why exactly do we want a community forum? Well we did send a survey out in 2016 to consortium members and there was a very strong request to have a community forum where members could interact with each other, talk to each other and find out what's happening. With ORCID in Australia what we've done is we've taken a national approach and for it to be successful members need to collaborate with each other and not reinvent the wheel. Also the community forum does provide members with a voice as ORCID community support also monitor the forum. Now who can join the forum? Any researcher or staff of a consortium member can join the community forum and any questions you have regarding joining the forum please send an email to support at aaf.edu.au and we would love to help you out with it. And how do you join? The easiest way to join is to go to community.orchid.org and register or sign up with your institutional email address if you do not already have an account. Once you're signed in you will automatically be redirected to the Australian ORCID community forum space where you can start posting or collaborating with your peers. The consortium also does a lot of work internationally and interact with our consortia with the other international consortia and what we do is we try and exchange information with them on best practices for ORCID implementation as well as what we've been doing with community engagement and what they've been doing with community engagement trying to find that out. The consortium leads also an active part of a few ORCID working groups and helping represent the consortium members' interests in them and AF as a consortium lead also participated in the first international ORCID consortia workshop held in Lisbon earlier in 2018. So these are some of the resources that will be available at the end of this slide and now I'll just change presenters and pass it on to Laurie Huck who is from ORCID. All right so thank you I think I have six minutes I'm going to try to go through this fairly quickly so first thing I just wanted to mention about ORCID in Australia all of the hard work of Melroy and Simon and Paul and Natasha is paid off. We had our first ORCID consortium meeting in January this year and we brought together all of our existing consortia and a number of countries sent representatives who are in the process of considering creating consortia and among the awardees you can see over here is Melroy and his splendid hat and Elena on behalf of AAF we provided them one of our first ORCID consortium awards and you can see here information from our blog post about this but yes you guys in Australia the Australians and the consortia has been just really superb at building community your patience in building the sector and building in building I guess a consensus and a policy across the sector not just on ORCID but really on research information and the relevance of persistent identifiers for that has really been it's notable so yeah we provided this award just to recognize the work of the ORCID consortium as well as very specifically Melroy and Elena thank you very much not just for doing a great job in Australia but also for being as it says you're very generous in sharing your experiences with with other consortia so what you've done in Australia has been noticed and replicated several times over in other countries around the world so I just want to say thank you again and acknowledge the hard work and effective work that has been going on in terms of around the world we now have nearly five million registered researchers we should hit that mark sometime this summer and we have 854 ORCID member organizations now in 44 countries including 17 national consortia and we should have something close to 20 to 25 consortia by the end of this year so there will be a little bit more green on the map at that point you all know the ORCID vision it's not just about providing identifiers for researchers but really for enabling connections between researchers and their contributions across disciplines borders and time and it's really wonderful to see the work of Australia and the kind of I guess leverage that the consortia has had to encourage service providers and vendors and platform providers to integrate ORCID and identifiers into their systems so that you can use these things and actually create these connections in the past year we have worked very hard with our board which does include a member of the ORCID consortium in in Australia and we worked with our board and the extended community to create a roadmap for the next three years and developed some statements on core strategies and we have developed plan as mentioned for the next three years where each year we focus on a specific sector and enact those core strategies for those sectors so last year our focus was on research institutions we continue to work with research institutions but this year our main focus is on funders next year 2019 our main focus will be on bringing to bear everything that we've learned and developed with research institutions and funders and previously with with publishing sector to bring that to bear on returning the benefits to the researchers that will be 2019 so I'm just going to go very quickly through the core strategies and then if I have a little bit of time to talk about some of the projects we're working on all of this is available on our website the about what is ORCID or you can look up ORCID core strategies in any browser and get to this page so we have four core strategies the first and main one is positioning researchers at the center of everything that we do the second one focuses on infrastructure and making sure that we develop a robust information infrastructure and I will never forget standing at the ORCID launch in Australia and having the then head of the ARC say you know what if we're going to use this we have to be ensured that the ORCID infrastructure is reliable and you know that's yep you're right we have to make sure this is available during the last crunch to submitting grants for example we have to make sure it's available so that's a major major focus of ours the third core strategy is trusted assertions so not just enabling ORCID ID to other identifier connections but also to ensure that the community has trust or at least understanding of who made that connection and when and also can trust that those connections are traceable so that somebody can click and navigate to the source document or the source connector and the fourth fourth core strategy is strategic relationships so we are in the process of developing a very strong partners network and then we really see our sustainability through those strategic relationships and a big part of that is our consortia and ensuring that we have strong relationships with consortia and that each consortia as happens in Australia has a very strong leadership component that is supported by the local community so as I mentioned I'm really really pleased with the example that Australia has set for the rest of the world in each of these core strategies we have specific projects I don't think I really have a lot of time to go through this but for researchers looking at you know enabling them to share information through using their identifier we're spending a big chunk of time this year collecting evidence and this is a project that dovetails with work that AAF are doing we've added new affiliation categories we've been have been supporting employment and education and we've added qualifications to education as well as invited positions distinctions membership service and this is available very very soon says end of April I think it was pushed off by a week but if you're a developer you can play around with this API 3.0 in the stand box and we'll have these additional affiliations in there we've done a lot of work on research resources and I know Syro has been interested in this and we are going to be adding a new section to the Orchid Record to store information and connections between researchers and the resources that they use to do their research and there is an example of what this looks like in the Orchid Record this is already being used by Oak Ridge and PNNL which is Pacific Northwest National Laboratory here in the United States and there are a number of other organizations working on this. As I mentioned we're doing a collecting the evidence demonstrating the benefit of Orchid both from the perspective of the researcher as well as organizations we have been launched a project called Orbit where this is very much focused on bringing funders together this now includes 13 funding bodies from 11 countries including the ARC and other funders in the region including the Japan Science and Technology Foundation and MB in New Zealand. We are working on trusted assertion so what is an assertion mean and a whole host of policies around that which you'll see more about as well as compliance with GDPR the European Data Transfer Regulation and then as I mentioned the strategic relationships the regional strategies both internally enhancing our infrastructure making sure that our consortia are able to support the local community we're looking at member models for very small organizations and I mentioned the partners program so that's it for me all right there you go Paul thank you very much for the opportunity to present and I'll give this back to Paul. I won't show my screen there's no point so what I'm going to do is to perhaps just open up the four four questions and Q&A we've got about 15 to 20 minutes so if anyone in the audience have burning questions please use the chat box. And can I mention Paul that that we are planning on having an Orchid Roundtable meeting in Canberra around about the 5th of September later in the year to bring together stakeholders and anyone who's interested to be able to ask questions and to look at where our development is going and I guess including people like funders and publishers who may not have too much of an opportunity to talk about Orchid and how they improve their take up and what that means for them so that's in September in Canberra so there's an opportunity there for people to come along and actually talk to us face to face and participating workshops there. I do have a question sounds more like a request any chance you can make current affiliation mandatory for researchers who sign up it is so hard to tell if they are our people I guess that's that's a question for Laurie. Yeah so this was a big thrust last year and it continues to this year is to have there be a connection made when a researcher registers that there is a connection also with their university so that the university can store the identifier in the university database whichever or wherever that is designated and then post back into the Orchid record the affiliation for that individual so there's actually a handshake between the individual and the university that allows the push and pull of information between Orchid and the university there are now I think close to a hundred I think universities that are doing this push and pull and putting organization information employment or education into the Orchid record the benefit for the organization is exactly as you say you know who your researchers are because you've collected their ID you can effectively communicate that this researcher is one of yours the information that shows up on the Orchid record also has the source on it clearly and the source can be that of the institution itself so it's also a benefit for the institution as well as the researcher when they go now to publish a paper or submit a grant publishers and funders are starting to pull information from the Orchid record to help populate forms like manuscript submission or grant application systems and that statement of affiliation the organization name its identifier and the role of the individual can be easily pulled into those submission systems so that's what we're trying to do is work with you the institution to get that handshake happening and to have the institution actually put the affiliation information into the Orchid record long answer any thoughts from Simon or alright for me with regards to an institution affiliation the easiest and the best way to get that done is as Laurie mentioned for organizations when they set up their integration to be able to write that immediately to their researchers Orchid profile affiliation data is something that universities own and they are the ones that can actually say whether a researcher is doing research work with them is employed by them whether a graduate student studies with them if an academic staffs employed by them they are the ones that have that data so it's the easiest way to actually get affiliation information into somebody's Orchid record is for the universities itself to do it as part of the sign up process when they get their researchers to sign and why the system that's the best way to do it it saves and that way they can then keep track of which researchers are affiliated to the institution yeah there is a piece of this around privacy and permission that kind of thing so it's Orchid are very careful to ensure that you know we ask researchers for their permission to do what we need to do so there is a bit of a piece there around making sure that that permission is granted and then we can use that as part of that assertion information so there is a bit of work Laurie in that in that regard I guess around permissions and ensuring that researchers aren't asked 20,000 times for permission for different things but also know what permission they're giving and at the right time and that that's sort of understood and well known that's part of the assertions policy that we're working on this year is to clarify or streamline some of that permissioning piece and also to allow sharing of well to get a little bit technical to allow service providers access to member API credentials so there's a smoother flow of information the critical piece there is making sure that the researcher remains informed about who is handling their information and where it's ultimately being used so okay I got an odd question here I work with researchers that produce a lot of non-traditional outputs I guess those integrative arts and humanities I find records in Orchid are not always adequate to describe this work are there any plans to review or revise the options for these researchers and again I guess that's a question for Laurie right so Orchid handles over 30 work types however we have a largely focused in the first few years on journals we have been increasingly engaging with book publishers but you're right that doesn't cover the wide range of contributions that a researcher or scholar can make so we're continue to look for opportunities to work with repositories other other places where digital descriptions of works are stored so that these connections between Orchid IDs and those works can be made and so we're really eager to hear your ideas for where which repositories we can be interacting with and we would be happy to partner with you to help to work and collaborate with those platforms to set up interactions where an individual can connect their identifier storing it in Orchid isn't I don't think would be too much of a challenge the issue is how to get it in there and I'm really reluctant to ask a researcher to type stuff in the Orchid record that really kind of defeats the purpose of what we're trying to do so help us understand where the information sources are and we're more than happy to work with you and those platforms to to to enable a connection I have another questions here in relation to the orbit project is it possible to have an update on the orbit project and likely time that it might be used by funders like the ARC yeah so ARC is part of the orbit project my understanding is the ARC has a timeline for Orchid integration into their systems I think they've started and so the objective with orbit is to get the funders to share with each other what their plans are and I believe that the ARC is participating in one of the early pilots to actually demonstrate Orchid integration in their grant application system and I think I'm kind of speaking out of turn here but I think their plan was to have the integration online in 2019 so but we'll be we are trying to do regular blog posts with the orbit project and as soon as we know more about the timing of various funder implementations and we will communicate those through the Orchid blog is it common now for Orchid ID to auto-copulate a researcher's profile in their institutional research management system I guess this is a general questions for everyone yeah so from a service provider perspective it depends on the kind of integration between the research institution and Orchid and there's different platform providers that have different methods and we do see a general trend that service providers can let me think pull information from Orchid into their platform but not all service providers put information from the platform into Orchid or vice versa so it really depends on the platform that the university or research institution is using but certainly it is possible to go one or the other or both directions it's all that is very technically possible and and exist today and I think it's really melroy be interesting to hear from you kind of what the trend is in Australia given the various service provider platforms that are used for exchanging information with regards to exchanging information what we've at least what we've been speaking with librarians and those that are doing the community and outreach activities is that to get researchers when they sign up if the integration if it's not their repository that's actually being integrated with a researcher's Orchid profile so that they can push that data onto the Orchid profile is to get the researchers to use the existing crossref APIs the data site APIs as well as use copis a researcher ID search and link visits within the Orchid within the Orchid website itself to be able to retrospectively add their papers having said that most publishers we've spoken to generally asking for Orchid IDs right now and there have been a few instances where we've seen on Twitter that a researcher's actually published a paper and it hasn't yet come out in a publication but because a DOI was minted for it and they had the Orchid ID associated with it it's automatically populated into the Orchid records so there has that that that sort of stuff has been happening it's yeah it it is it is possible to have that happen automatically but there is also a level of work that needs to be done in the first instance in registering and getting it to do so because with Orchid the only way a researcher will have something added to their profile is if they explicitly give someone permission to do that you can't just add anything into their profile yeah I could I could add to that that in the repository community in Australia there's still quite a bit of work to not only just have Orchids available within repositories but also displaying them on web page on the within the metadata that people can see and then also populating the repositories with metadata about publications and that syncing so that collect and that that connect and the syncing there's still a lot of work to do within the Australian repository community to make that happen so quite a bit of work has been done with the publication harvesting systems that people have but the actual external facing repositories there's still quite a bit of work to do yeah what we found with some repositories is that there isn't always the concept of a person and so bringing in a person identifier if there's no concept of a person is hard and so there's there's kind of a database refactoring aspect as well in some repository system but not all so it's nice to see for example in the UK just help to sponsor eprints to develop a module that actually allowed for the concept of a person which then enables IDs for people to be stored and information to be exchanged more readily so I think that'll probably that kind of thing will probably be able to happen with other kinds of repo systems yeah yeah the call the call consortium last year I think it was last year did we did a survey of repository managers which we do almost every year and yeah I think it was 39% of repositories can display a you know an orchid ID they're actually doing that within their repository so it's 39% so there's still a way to go okay I also I have another semi-technical type of questions do you need to be a consortium member to use the API to automatically pull in publications to a website do you want to take that glory or do you want me to well yeah so to automatically to be notified if you want to get automatic notifications from orchid that is a member API function however you can use the public API to query the orchid registry the public API only provides access to that information which a researcher has marked public so there may be some items that are not accessible through the public API so if you want updates provided then you should become a member and you can receive those notifications I think the other piece there is that in many cases updates you would like tied to the researchers that are at your institution and the way to know who those researchers are is to have them connect their ID into your system and give back the affiliation information so they can use it when they publish so yes there's a lot you can do with the public API but there's a lot more that you can do when you use the member API so Melora I don't know what you'd like to add I know that was almost the same thing so yeah just covered it all yeah I think I've got the last questions here two questions of the same same questions really requests more anything to have linked to the those use case user stories it's basically just off the AFF website isn't it yes yeah directly just off the AFF website and what I'll do is any question and answer box can I type that in now I think Paul will have to type that in to send it to everybody that's not a problem I think the smart thing to do is that maybe we'll follow up with email notifications when the video is available and in that email I'll include a set of resources and links to the relevant sort of material yeah it's the same thing with the slides so in the slides right at the end where there were a couple there were a couple of slides with regards to resources the resources the link is over there so it is definitely in one of those links so it'll take you straight to that particular resource yeah so that URL has been sent to everyone now with that note we have pretty much covered all the all the questions and on that note I have to thank all three speakers for taking time to talk to the community and thank you thank you thank you very much for that last thing to announce in terms of handing activities I think Simon mentioned a a public forum later this year Melroy from your A&A things that AFS plan yes there are a couple of things so one thing is we've already started off the community forum and what we're trying to do is try and get more people to start participating in it asking questions collaborating with the appears finding out what other institutions have done how we can contribute to this discussion and building the community but another thing that we also are going to start doing is what I mentioned about the collect and connect badges because we feel that we need to get our consortium members getting these badges we've got 29 institutions who've already integrated and of them only four or five of them have their collect and connect badges so the next step is try and get everybody who's done an integration with the collect and connect badges the only thing that's that's stopping us at this point is there have been some changes to the collect and connect badges with regards to the rules and what needs to be done to demonstrate that you've qualified for them so yes once we get a little bit more detail on that I'll send an email out to all our consortium members letting them know that we can go ahead and do it those have been finalized and it should actually be easier now to get the first two badges yeah that should be coming out in the middle of May sweet so yeah with the exception of that yeah these are some of the main things that we would like to see done in 2018 is the community forum so get a lot of interaction on that because that is something that the community has strongly asked for so it's something we would like to see succeed my understanding is that now AF is planning to attend arms 2018 in Hobart too is that right yes we also attended we've put in a pre-conference workshop for arms 2018 and part of that is looking at ORCID in Australia and looking at some of the institutions that have done the integration how it was before ORCID how it is after ORCID what are the plans and I do believe that we may have NHMRC coming in and talking a bit more about their new research grant management system and how it incorporates ORCID into it so yes it would be it will be quite interesting that sounds great for those who come from research office look out for the AFNs job workshop with possible presentation from the NHMRC at the arms 2018 Hobart conference now with that note I thank all the participants participating today thank you thank you very much for that thanks bye