 All right, welcome back. It's still the breakfast on Plus TV Africa, and we have Messi here. It's good to have me join you. All right, as always, we'll start out with our top trending words, you know, trending on the mounts on the lips of everyone across several spaces, social media, and of course, hashtag justice for silvers that is still in the news with the family, you know, hiring a senior advocate of Nigeria to ensure justice. That's Femi Falano. Messi, that particular incident is still generating reactions, and the Femi Falano is a renowned lawyer, and that he has been hired by the Romanist to ensure that, you know, this matter is not just swept under the carpet and that this family actually gets to get all the justice that they deserve. Yeah, Femi Falano, as you rightly mentioned, is a renowned legal practitioner, and of course, we also anticipate that he has what he takes to actually, you know, get justice and win the case because, you know, the confession of justice, I mean, before his death in law, it's been called declaration. And so that piece of information, the fact that at the point of him dying, it's not possible to have a 24 year old, I'm sorry, I beg your pardon, you know, 12 year old being coerced at the point of death. So yes, that piece of evidence that, you know, and at the time of that evidence is enough. So I think that, you know, the chances of getting justice is quite strong with the kind of lawyer that the family has actually hired. But we're also expecting that every order element in this situation would actually cooperate because it's the cooperation that you actually need. There'll be arguments of whether or not. I mean, we've heard of cases, I saw a different report on an angle to a fact that it could be, you know, an ailment and health ailment and all of that. But if you look at every piece of all of this, you'll find out that, of course, there is actually hope. And all that Nigerians are asking, all that everyone's asking is for justice. And I hope that this would actually serve as a deterrent to, you know, schools and every other person out there who have been engaging in such practice and getting away with it. Because we know that this is not the first. I mean, of course, you actually saw, you had the video or the audio, the conversation. It was a Zoom conversation where one of the mothers was attacking the ex-counselor of the school who said that the kids were not properly monitored. I mean, how do you, you remember also yesterday where we had James Seabor on the show and he talked about the fact that it's not, it's not normal in no circumstance should you leave kids in a confined space without an adult, you know, to monitor and ensure to be around to see what's going on. I mean, let's even bring it back to our typical homes. You will not have a kid and abandon your child. Right. So for after, if you stay in the house and then you have children, you know when they go quiet at the time, you want to find out what's going on. And that's why you always have an adult, you always have someone around the kids. And that's because they are children. And according to the constitution, of course, the laws will say that up until they get to the age of 18. And the reason why we are guardians and parents at this point because they are children. And so it is, you know, the responsibility of the caretakers, you know, the guardians and what have you to protect and ensure that they make decision for them up until the age. I mean, age 18 is actually believe that that's age, you know, that they can make decisions for themselves. It's really really quite saddening and very, very unfortunate. But like I said, that's a good lawyer there. And with all of the evidence and with the way the case is the standard high chance. I mean, if you want to talk about some other conspiracy theories where we have rumors saying these persons who were mentioned, the kids who were mentioned have actually left the country. The truth is, if we want an arrest of the suspected children or kids, however you want to put it, it's possible within a few seconds, there will be made available. So another element to all of this is do we have, you know, the political, I mean, is there the wheel of state because the state also have a role to play in all of this cooperation and all of that to actually get justice. So with all of that, we're hoping that, you know, justice will be met. Yeah, we're hoping that. And just yesterday as well, the family of the Roman is, you know, addressed them the press. We have clips of that plus, you know, also trending. We saw, you know, the family and of course, our next teacher of Darwin, that they had some sort of a Zoom meeting. Let's see if we can take those clips now. Five of them walked into the room. And as soon as they enter, they saw them coming into the room. One went back and put off the lights, put off the lights. So they moved straight to his bed and all of them started beating him. He ran down from his bed, came down from his bed, they beat him, started mashing him like somebody with step on him, boot him, in fact anyhow, this one boy. All right, welcome back. It's still the breakfast and plus, you just watched the clip there. That's on the list, the silvers the father, you know, addressing the press and talking about what should be done and just then just talking about how sad the family is right now because of all that has happened, you know, with the death of their son. Also trending in the news yet again. They issued, gave an ultimatum to the federal government and indeed that ultimatum mercy has since, you know, expired and most students actually waiting with baited breath. You know what happened with last year and how the schools were shut down for months on end and academic, you know, activities were not ongoing and then the students were just all at home. So right now we don't even know what to expect in as much as the academic staff union of universities. They've come up to say that they'll be making a decision of very soon. We can't say we don't know what to expect, of course. As is also saying that the public will actually hear from them within 24 hours. So fingers are crossed. And you know what will be, you know, what will follow. We can't afford another strike mercy. Why do you think we can afford another strike? We always afford another strike. We have always, we have the capacity to afford another strike. And this is something that's been ongoing. Even, I mean, I can trace back that to trace it back to when I was still, you know, in the university. We all experienced a strike. I'm sure that as a student, especially if you school in Niger, you will also talk about the fact that you were with us a strike. But it's totally this, I don't know how to put it. So maybe I'm looking for a very nice word to put it together. The fact that government will get to an agreement with workers. Because over time, let's also look at the strike action. Strike action, like I will always say, just as protests. It's also another word protesting and trying to get the employers to enforce or to ensure compliance with the bargaining, collective bargaining and the laws. And you know what happens with, you know, capital and labor at the end of the day. So you have a lot of organisers. And so this is something that's been ongoing for a very long time. So strike action is not new. I know a lot of people would always say why it's always going on strike. But on the other hand, the different fact, you need to also understand that this is also a means, is a tool that has been used over time. And for especially countries that do not respect, you know, the collective bargaining. And so because workers also have their right. And you have the state and will constantly say that you have the issue of, you know, you have the state and the people getting into a social contract. So it is really disrespectful. It's the issue of integrity. And we'll constantly talk about the fact that you get into an agreement with the state gets into an agreement with workers and they abandon it. So you say you're good because what they're asking for is an implementation of the memorandum of understanding, if I'm not mistaken, one of those agreements and some outstanding issues. And you would be shocked that these issues can be traced back to 2009. I mean 2009 is quite some time. So we're still talking about this issue. So why don't we have a government that is responsible? It is irresponsible. And this is a part of the issues that we talk about. This is a part of the issues that we say it is not, it is not fair. And that's why constantly you have the fact that the people no longer trust the government. So I am really tired. Since I was born and I'm getting very old, ASU is still embarking on strike. Government is not respecting any, you know, all of this agreement. And that's what it is. And on the other hand, on the other hand as well, you also want to begin to question the leadership of ASU and some of these unions. What do they really do? I always ask myself, you remember not long ago we had the railway workers embarking on that strike. And you know, it was called off. And constantly my question is, what will be the next course of action? Governments does not leave up to your expectations. And so I feel like if you want to go on strike, let's go on strike. Maybe we go on strike that will last for 12 years. Maybe we'll go on strike until we get our demands because I really do not know when this representative actually meet with the state. I don't know what they always, what is always that issue that they get and what they always talk about on the table that would make them call off the strike. And so constantly, because government would know that they would always call off the strike, you call them to the table and maybe push a piece of them, you know, a pie or a mint or something. And then they accept, of course, what is always the reason? Why do I always, because if we want to embark, let's say back. So if you were still having issues from 2009, why are we, you know, we were embarking on strike. But don't tell that the federal government is not serious in meeting with the demand and they don't take education seriously in Nigeria. So it is, it still bosses back. I mean, it still brings us back to the same conversation of saying that, yes, government will, it is irresponsible that you will enter into an agreement with, you know, labor and the people. There's not transparency. And then you neglect and abandon the agreement. Agreement, they always say is an agreement. It's, you know, you have actually come to the table to say, okay, I will do XYZ and I will do XYZ. So what happens to the implementation? So these are some of the issues that we're still food dragging about. And I totally find this very embarrassing. And of course, as I would embark on another strike and after a while, you could predict, you can tell what would happen. The government will push that piece of pie and they will come back again. So we'll continue in the cycle, we'll constantly go in that cycle until we decide to take a different action. All right. The issue of us is one that has actually been on for years. Has dated back more than even 20 years. As much as I can remember, even before I got into the university, you know, there has been talk of us going on strike, the man to be made, federal government will make promises. At the end of the day, the promises will be reneged on. And we are back at square one. We'll leave us for a bit and talk about security now. And the president, Mohammed Buhari, yesterday gave a charge to, you know, his security chiefs. I'm asking them to do more on intelligence gathering. And of course, they should work better in harmony, you know, in synergy. That's the word he used with all the, you know, sister security agencies. I don't know if we have that particular tracker. The president will see who can call for it in, you know, in a bit. You know, let's say it is really something. Every other time the president is given, should he even be reminded, you know, the security chiefs that they should, you know, do better when it comes to intelligence and, of course, information. You know, this is what they should, you know, the president should not be reminding them of how they should go about, you know, ensuring that this issue of war against insurgencies actually stamped out completely from Nigeria. And of course, he shouldn't even also remind them that they should work, you know, have a harmonious relationship with sister agencies. It is what they should ordinarily know. So first of all, I'd like to tell myself the fact that we can never have peace, peace. We can never get to a point where there's going to be absolute peace and security and everything is going to be perfect. You're not going to have crime and criminality, kidnapping and what have you. But we're saying, let's get to a point where it's reduced to the barest minimum. That's exactly what we're asking. I remember a time where the push for change of service of chief was being called. Nigerians were calling everybody. Of course, we needed to change service chief. We needed to understand what the tactic is. I mean, if you have this person calling the shorts and it wasn't working, then we need to also find that maybe they're out of ideas and then let's get fresh. But that's not the only issue. As much as we, I, at the time, agreed that yes, there was need for us to change service chief. I also also felt that changing service chief is not only the major concern or the challenge, you know, in combating or the fight against insurgents in Nigeria. Just as we had Dennis and my career as the, I mean, you had some of the concerns that he raised. The issue of corruption is a big issue. And if we're not able to put our foods down, it's not like we don't understand this thing because over time, I asked myself that question. Is it that we don't understand what's going on? Is it that we're just, we don't know what's going on. Is it that we have no idea on how to address the security concerns? We do have the idea, but it boils down to a lot of issues. And it's like saying you constantly have an information. If you have an information and you're not acting on it, there are different issues. So the issue of corruption is a major concern. It's okay to say, yes, you're giving them all of the charges, what happens with corruption? And because we're not making people escape, people are not paying, people are getting old stuff. You also have the issue of sentiment. How many times have you had people saying that the body language of Mr. President is not even speaking very well? Because it feels like he's actually, you know, taking sides with his Kingsman. Why haven't we had persons arrested? We say we have identified those who are sponsoring this insurgence in the country. Why haven't you had, you know, the entire system working? And so you also begin to talk about, so these are some of the concerns and apart from that, you also want to not talk about because the issues are encompassing. So in the North East, you also have the issue of the iPop. And you want to look at the challenge. What is the root cause? Because you would, before you actually have a result or you address an issue, it's always important to understand what is the problem. So the problems are quite different in different parts of the country. So in the North East part of the country, you understand what the challenge is security-wise. You come to this other part, you understand. And majorly, the fact that we have a population that is going and not productive because population can be a strength and, you know, disadvantage as well. According to the data that was released by the United Nations sometime this year, over 211 persons, right, that we have in Nigeria. I mean, what is the productive energy? So you want to look at the state, I mean, the issue of unemployment, how many persons are very productive. So all of those issues are really encompassing. Is it that the government is not aware and we cannot blame anyone? You can't blame me because I'm not the government. The government has a responsibility of providing direction and, you know, throw up policies. And so constantly we see that the policies, and I don't know how to, you know, tag them. But the snow, we're not, we're not, I don't want to say we don't understand. We understand, but we're not willing to address the issue. Yes. Okay, right, fine. Let's take, as we round off on this particular discourse, let's take the President's charge yesterday, you know, to the Senate's chiefs and we'll come back and wrap up this whole discussion. To know that your forum has been working towards promoting peaceful coexistence within the continent in so many ways. On this note, I would like to reiterate the commitment of our government to the resolutions of this assembly and I invite other Africa leaders to do the same. I also call on stakeholders to support your efforts towards realizing the core objective of building a peaceful society. I congratulate the Nigerian First Lady for acquiring a piece of land on behalf of all fast ladies for the development of a secretariat. All right, that's as much as we can take on, you know, top trend and the President there charging the service chiefs on how they should go about time intelligence and of course, working better with term system agencies. We'll take a quick look, we'll come back, we'll be going straight to off the press and we have Chris Wanda joining us. He's chartered, he's a chartered mediator and a conciliator in a moment. Thank you.