 The question here is about doing a free webinar and how to make that webinar more interactive, more engaging. So there are a couple of ideas here for you. And I'm just thinking about the ways that I've made the webinar more engaging. Have exercises with timers. So I often do this in my courses. My courses are basically a bunch of live Zoom webinars in every court. I might teach something for a few minutes. And this is actually an overview. Important thing to understand is that people's attention spans are very short due to many reasons how media is in these days. I don't know exactly how many minutes the average attention span is before people get bored. I've heard all kinds of numbers. I mean, as short as like, you know, seconds, right? But that's a little extreme. Let's just say that, you know, people probably can't sit through even a 10 minute or certainly not a 20 minute talking segment without some interaction. So I would recommend really 10 minutes be the maximum length that you're just lecturing or explaining something or talking about something. Try to do it no more than 10 minutes before you have some interaction. And the interaction can be as simple as you just pausing and say, I'd love to see if you have any questions or if you have any thoughts on what I just said, any reflections, anything you got reminded of or anything you'd like to add, any examples you'd like to add on what I just said or any questions. And you simply pause and when you pause, you can literally pause the recording on Zoom because when you record on Zoom, once you start the recording, like I'm recording right now and I see that there are two options. I can stop the recording or I can pause the recording and pausing the recording. And I'll give an example right now. Okay, I just unpause the recording and notice how my hand suddenly moved. It's because when you pause the recording, you can pause for as long as you want. You can literally be waiting for the live people to add a comment or a question and literally you can pause for two or three minutes if you want to. And then once you are ready to continue in terms of the recording, you can then unpause the recording and the recording will seem like you didn't have any pause at all. You just continued on in a very smooth way. Say, oh, I have a question here from a live attendee, et cetera. So the simplest way of interaction is just to stop, allow them to comment and to engage with the comments and say, hey, I wanna thank Kali for having chatted. Kali wrote, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, et cetera. Yeah, actually Kali wrote, sometimes people have been watching without engaging and then something makes them reach out, you know? So yeah, so that's why it's important to pause at least every 10 minutes to let them do the commenting. Okay, so the commenting questions is one way of making it more interactive. A second way I mentioned earlier was doing exercise. So what I do, if you've taken any of my courses in the past two years, I've been doing this. I basically put a timer up on the screen. I share my screen with a timer and a prompt and say, all right, let's do, and I usually do a timer of like three minutes. It's pretty common for me. I know three minutes sounds very short, but it's a surprising when you're on a live webinar or even a recorded one, how long three minutes feels for the, all of you have been part of my courses, right? Like, you know, like three minutes is surprisingly long to be, to journal something, just to answer a question, a prompt that you asked the audience to please journal in the chat below if you are comfortable or do it on your own private document. So, okay, so that's exercise. Three minutes is a good time, but you could do five minutes or seven minutes or even 10 minutes is a little long, honestly, for an exercise on live Zoom. I would say three to seven minutes is probably good. Okay, so doing a prompt and answering a question or something like that, or, oh, another way of engaging, making it more interactive is if you teach something that's like has some kind of body movement, you can do a somatic exercise at that point. Okay, another way of engaging is to do a breakout group. And Zoom makes breakout groups real easy. You could set up a breakout group of however many people, two people, three people, five people per group. And nowadays you can also record breakout groups. You're recording, and so, by the way, I haven't actually done that. I haven't actually recorded a breakout group before. So I don't know exactly the technical details, but I know that you can. I've heard that you can. Now, whether you wanna record a breakout group is another question because people might not feel as comfortable sharing, you know, vulnerably and honestly, they know they're being recorded. The point of a breakout group is like, there's privacy in sharing and people can meet each other, right? And when you just have a breakout group, you can broadcast messages that goes in, you can broadcast a chat message that goes into all your breakout groups. So you can kind of remind them of the time, like, oh, there's three minutes left or whatever it is, or here's the next prompt or something like that. And so after the breakout group, it's always nice if you could bring a couple of people to voice, bring them on screen. And by the way, when you're doing Zoom, I hope you know how to use the speaker view so that you're recording yourself, just yourself most of the time. Nobody else is on, even though you can see them on the strip, the people who are live, I can see a bunch of you on the strip, the people who are watching this recording can't see you unless I spotlight you or unless I put into gallery view. So a lot of people make the mistake and record everything in gallery view, which is kind of embarrassing for everybody, right? Because they might be eating or something like that. So speaker view, all right. So having attendees, you know, spotlighted, so you could make sure you let them know, hey, those of you who don't mind sharing it for the recording, if you have something brief to share, it's important to let them know, please keep it brief to 30 seconds or so. 30 seconds will turn into a minute, right? Because people don't know how long 30 seconds is. So yeah, if you don't mind, please go ahead and raise your hand, I'd love to bring you on. And then you click the participants list and you click more and you click add spotlight. And then they're now spotlighted and you ask them to unmute and they go and share. So whether you have them share after breakout room or if you don't do breakouts and you just want people to share, especially if you see comments and say, oh, I saw Mira here as a comment and you should name a couple of people. Oh, I saw comments here from Mira and Stephanie and Nick and Allison and Belinda. If one of you would like to share verbally for the recording, it would be great for those who are watching later. So if one of you would like to unmute, go ahead and unmute and I'll bring you on. So that's a nice way of bringing people on without just putting one person on the spot, right? So, and the last way of interacting that I've seen is if you are asking your participants to like write something or draw something, you could put it and say, all right, I'm gonna put it into those of you who don't mind sharing your drawing for the recording, please keep your video on. Otherwise, please turn your camera off, turn your video off, click on stop video. I'm gonna put in the gallery view now and then I want you all to hold it up. And it's not like the people on the recording are able to see everything or even just a piece of writing if they wrote something, they could show it just to show everybody to celebrate, celebration is another way of interacting and keeping things interesting. So anyway, a couple of ideas there for you for the webinar and I hope this is helpful.