 So thank you very much for joining the DEBKONF committee both We have people here from the current DEBKONF from Taiwan We have people here from the next DEBKONF from DEBKONF 19 in Certeba, Brazil We have people here that have organized events before so kind of knowledge in the room from previous DEBKONFs And we have people here which are prospects and running bids for the DEBKONF 20 Where we currently have depending on how we count between four to six bids running Which is very nice, and we hope that one of them matures into a great DEBKONF in 2022 I'll hand over to Jonathan because he prepared slides. He's the most organized of all of us So he's doing an introduction of us as well as part of the slide deck Yeah, I thought I'd do some introduction because we don't speak often at DEBKONF, which is a problem So I thought I'd do a quick introduction because DEBKONF has so much history Yeah, lots of things have changed over the years, so I thought let's get an introduction of what DEBKONF structure looks like at the moment, so we have the big all-inclusive DEBKONF team, which is inclusive of the local team and Hello testing. Is that good? Okay, and then we have a DEBKONF committee which is made out of Five people which I'll get to in a second And so we don't have any more DEBKONF chairs like we had in the past that caused a bunch of problems and politics and we went with a simpler structure and DEBKONF is also fully integrated into Debian So in the past, DEBKONF used to be basically a separate organization to Debian with its own governance and Instructions and we've also done away with the concept of a local team versus a global team We just have a DEBKONF team and the DEBKONF local team that handles most of the local issues is part of that So who's the DEBKONF committee that's me? my Daniel look as knows, but I couldn't be here neither could did here and this is deaf no reviewer. So we're a very very white male Group we want to be more diverse. We'll look at trying to change that in the future getting more different kind of people on the DEBKONF committee It's a problem that we completely acknowledged But we've had so many problems to deal with Especially early on in the formation of the DEBKONF committee that We couldn't immediately focus on that but long-term we do hope to fix that So there's a delegation setup the beginning of last year And Basically, there's three points that the DEBKONF committee is responsible for making final decisions about who will organize DEBKONF has defined in the bid process take long-term responsibility for DEBKONF both during Preparations for particular years conference with the team they selected and in ensuring in the longer term that conferences continue to be successful and positive for Debian and Advise a DPL on decisions that are not delegated such as the final DEBKONF budget approval If you go to the actual delegation you can see some more details and what it's of those points mean But I'm not going to go through that in this session and Yeah, then we can go ahead and buff so The gobby service at gobby.debian.org and then that is called TCC underscore buff Okay, pork use your imagination. No, don't create bog, please all right, so Kind of we we created a bit of a structure there to get us all talking I think The most important thing currently is that we collect some feedback from the DEBKONF 18 team to get us started Like how you perceive the interaction with the global team how you perceive the interaction with the committee What what you liked about it? What are things that we should improve upon? Now we need a mic for those people or you just go there I'd like to ask people to keep the feedback positive We have a feedback alias for the negative feedback that we can Relate her. Yeah, I think we should keep it, you know reasonable But I am not against any type of critique. So and I'm gonna pass the microphone around Exactly, you know the thing is let's be honest with each other, but stay polite and also try and keep the session moving Correct. She's done it oneself the fun too. All right. Yeah. Yeah, wait. Yeah actually, I found that The budgeting the budgeting party is sometimes I Have maybe I'm not doing something creative. So I need I Decreative so I mean maybe some help from the someone who did the budgeting before so like I Maybe I almost give up budgeting staffs During the within negotiation with them B. I'm sorry about this Norris, but I think you got help from Poyo and setting it up and Hector has taken over a part of the stuff when you when you were out and Done it here. Do you feel you are able to help close the books and finalize the Stuff in letter will that work or I was doing I was doing the I was trying to do the finalizing the budgeting yesterday night yesterday evening. So Try oh I was somehow find some discrepancies between the budget between our cash our cash. We have okay, so I'm still I'm still working on it. Okay, and but and Budgeting side another another difficulties on our budgeting side is that we have for we have four agencies that we can we can resort to That's a specific here in perhaps for the people on the stream or who don't know this that is specific here in Taiwan We have funds from various government agencies, which are all Partially sorry your marked. Yeah, which are partially bound to having specific types of expenditure And we need to provide specific types of documents to access either of those expenditures So it makes budgeting way way way more complex than if you have just like one time Yes, okay other governments are not as generous as yours I see thanks to Taiwan Absolutely, thanks to meet Taiwan Okay, my question is simple just about the the number of people participants estimation and the things is Because we need some more accurate estimation for the fund raising especially for the government because they always need some numbers and Also, yeah, so that means I I like to request that if you have any Registered in force. I mean in the system It's better to provide earlier So that makes us easier So I think the suggestions we had for numbers turned out pretty much accurate We were saying 250 to 300 and that's what happened more like 400 yes, but So questioner, how do we count the people that walked in on open day and did not register so I Yeah, I think I think the statistics I thought 300 with date with access to wafer data is a problem because that's basically You and all SD that have the statistics page is visible to everybody. Yeah, but that's brand new So that wasn't existing which is what the folks here are saying when they were trying to figure out numbers You don't have registration data at the point that you're trying to figure out numbers You're going to figure out numbers based on previous deb cons And this is what they did. Yeah All right, other feedback, let's keep it moving I think the problem we have is that we Did not announce the daylight correctly for the visa process and the problem is that some people need both grocery to Come here. So when they got a proof, they need the visa Support especially for equal but equal daylights already passed so they cannot Come here because the daylight seem to be I think I didn't do it very well about the daylight that you need to do Send me all the information before the day So that I can send the information to government to help to get it equal So that sometimes cause a problem. Yeah For some people they cannot Come come Taiwan because of this Nicola you want to comment? Yeah, this one works I think one of the things that could be improved for next year is having the global team Be more involved earlier in the budget process Because the budget process was basically languishing for months and then at the point of the approval process there were some questions and There was kind of a panic about the questions that were asked during the acceptance process of the budget and This delayed for one more month So I hope we can do better next year Around this topic and then having the budget earlier means having less Issues with the rest of the process but that also means we would be able to award the bursaries earlier because as soon as you have the budget frame You can do the bursary. We should try and get the budget six months earlier next year. Yeah, okay? Have you heard Curitiba? Make sure you Don't pack all the people in the each storm room when there's empty rooms right across fill them up evenly otherwise people have to Have bad experience with fresh air except so Even if it costs more air conditioning cars that people in their own individual rooms if they look across to see there's plenty of Empty rooms are all packed up in the for Okay, thank you So before we move on too much I just want to say to Shanzhu don't be too hard on yourself about the visas because a month before We really started telling people don't wait for the e-code go to your embassy and apply for your visa And some people just didn't want to listen and I think that's really their fault and not yours The other one is that we probably for every tax We need at least two member to involve because when I'm in a hospital Someone need to take my job and they don't know nothing about it. So I still need to send me. She's all you need to do that This is a lesson for future depth confidants as well. You rarely need a large local team so you can survive people Real life happens to people But he looked very healthy. So, you know, it was completely unexpected Okay, we got some catering issue during this period Thanks Daniel and the professor Huang and the catering vendor and we are working together to solve this issue so the necessary is we need to figure out the procedure and the process in the compass of how to provide the spatial Food within the compass Because they have many concerns Yeah, that's that's definitely something and I think the Curitiba team already knows this and it's good for all the other bits We have complicated food situation because we have people with vegetarian vegan Food so that's pretty normal in some areas of the world But difficult and others and then we have because of the amount of people that attend all types of allergies There's only like one or two people But because they die if they eat peanuts or so you need to make sure that either the food does not contain this for sure or That it is specifically labeled and this is obviously always a lot of work tell it I Early in the fall and winter I think I saw a dynamic where the local team was just forming still and hadn't really been Confining formal meetings yet and the global team really didn't have anything it really needed to do yet and sometimes the dynamic in those meetings was a Local team looking to global team for facilitation or moderation help But global team was busy with their own lives and the time the time the distance The time differences were so great. We had to meet at inconvenient hours many of us So I saw this dynamic where People on local team were being told hurry up. You could do this between meetings, you know, hurry up This is too long a meeting for us and but we I was kind of part of local team in a way from a distance I think we were looking for more leadership help from Org team then org team had available to give us There's actually a construct in the delegation which is we as a depth of committee should be nominating a mentor for each team And I'm working on this for Curitiba In their section I will ask them whether they want to recommend anybody or they can do this to me afterwards I've asked people already So I hope we're able to fulfill this the problem is always finding the person because the thing in Debian is you know You you you can get ranks and titles as many as you want But you need to have the time so we often have a disconnect between the people which are available and would be willing to do It and the people that we would need to fulfill the job. So that's Completely true for this position. So I would suggest for Curitiba that you think about how you would like to facilitate your meetings Because if you just wait for the global team to facilitate your meetings, you might find they don't have the time for that topic and I Think they're also think about there also isn't enough time on those meetings to get into all the details on every topic So topics have to be broken out and discussed outside the meetings the meetings have everybody in the room So it's useful for everybody to get an overview of what's going on and how things are But we don't all have time to The meetings an hour long you can only cover so much stuff in an hour There's still a stage issue here that when a local team is new They they can't always delegate everything they still need this time to have these formal meetings to talk together I think that was that early stage that I'm referring to All right one more call behind you from Holger. You're not actually local team. So keep it short, please From from as an outside observer from this meetings last year I found the meetings too often And I think this might have contributed to a view view view that the global team was busy with their life So I think having meeting that was too often and in general comment Well, I think it's normal that people want to learn news things and make new mistakes and what that frustrated me over the years I've done that confirm very many years and I've seen many mistakes But it's normal that these mistakes repeat because we know we change the team and the location every year and that's a very challenging setting and What it just idea I caught that maybe it would be good for everything to have no job with just a single person responsible Always try to have two people involved in any job Because then you can also discuss with them That's completely a no-brainer, but the factual issue is that sometimes no We more often have the situation that we can't find the single person for a job then find two for a job All right to Danny last call. Oh Oh Make sure next year's day trip people know that 90% of the Participant won't sign up until the last minute. I we we did warn you about this. No, no, we didn't I did many times No, you didn't you wanted too late. It's too late. I Was just contributing to the sarcasm I just want to reply to whole good first. Yes, please so regarding the problems that we see every here that That's the same mistakes that always happen one of the things I'd like to do is create a Get repository for all the feedback so that we can anonymize all the feedback that we get and Keep logs of all the things that go wrong everywhere At least that of the feedback we get every day Come and then really really lay that well to every new local team that comes along So that we really can try to get the same problems that we see every year eliminated So that's maybe a long-term thing that will get better as it goes along, but definitely something I'm planning to work on I I'd be happy to help get this done for this cycle. Yeah, because it's very needed Can we have it some kind of document? Where the local team now can write what it was planning that it goes wrong and what they happen? What what they are planning that it didn't it was not possible to execute for examples if someone Told us that the idea was a lunch in many restaurants here But it was not it was not possible something like that So you can't you can't read and you know what we We have to to what happened here, right? It's good to know what happened here because We need I believe all of us need to have this explanation if someone else asked Why did this kind of thing? Didn't happen we can answer What what he happened? In that situation, I think it's good to publicize something like that All right, just because they have few micro already. There's one thing as I said earlier I'll just repeat it because it's in the goby at that point in time Formally, we should appoint a mentor a person that would be your contact to the Deppkund committee to the global organization I'm looking for somebody who has experience of a multiple Deppkund so She or he knows how to navigate the structure and kind of makes things easier for you and because of the language issue It would be preferential if that person was speaking Portuguese and English So if you have any recommendations, send them to me. I'm working on this The usual suspects you can assume I already asked so it needs to be somebody that I probably don't know and have not met here during Deppkund 18 right Otherwise, I I'm happy to receive the same nominations again, but I already asked them the other question and It I think it's important that the next the local team can have access on a wafer for example We it's important to give access foods from to someone from the next the next local team had that this person has access to Front desky stuffs because even they can't use the They can't they can't change the the things there But they can look and they know what has happened I tried to have this kind of access before but I couldn't and I think It's important to with some some kind of Precreations that Someone can a local team you can access everything if it's possible What would be really helpful is if one of you could get on to the local desk team because on the front desk team Because I assume you're going to want to have one of you at the front desk during the debcon But I don't think any of you were working with front desk this year Yes, so Natty said for the stream. We had a little bit of practice But not a huge amount Personally, I think we are ready to deal with the front of that front front desk Because you had three made that becomes in Brazil and you had a lot of soft free events. So I what I see here. It's not so different that we have there Sure, but it's just how this front desk works and Who the people are working well with them that you know What is different is the system right that we I need to know the system the way for and and myself and the team Yeah, and the team for something we fail to do this year now that you mentioned this that every year in the past we have tried for local team members for future year team members to join the local team members in all of the tasks of organization and I mean by a by the time we decide on the next On the next dev conflocation We should really try to integrate them as core organizer for Brazil because it really helps transferring knowledge But you said that you think that you failed about that. I mean we as the global team failed To really pull you in I mean you were present at several meetings and that but in the end as you said you you Didn't engage in many of the processes because you were not part of a of a world a Of the many teams. So during this conference, you should have been running as much as they did right For example one formation that we'd like to have it's all kind of special foods That in these ask you the in on the systems which we only saw this information or when it was on the Beyond the website And we are trying to talk with our restaurant in Brazil and they ask it. Oh, what kind of special food you need I I don't know very well. I'd like to see what was asked here to have idea To asking we can give you the break the same breakdown. We gave the caterers here It will be similar because it's like the people that have these special food issues are frequent Dev conf attendees. So the list will be very similar for you As it is for us this year basically we can give you access to everything except We don't want to give you raw access to the machines if we can help it because there's bursaries data there that we'd like to keep Limited to as few people as possible, but you need the data you need and we'll make sure you get it Okay, one thing I have to confess is that I Or myself as myself or a step-com 18 team takes too much work by ourselves So I believe that the next step com we can the local team should do Partly by them partly by the local team themselves and the next step com 20 team and together so the next 20 team can know what should they do and and pass the Pass their stuff pass their knowledge to the next step come Yeah, so we don't know who the 20 team is yet But when they appear it would be great of people from them would work in the fine finance teams fundraising Ideally catering front desk video would be great network would be lovely all of these things can Use people from a future teams working in them, right? But the problem is when we have a resource constraint. Oh, yeah, it's that that that's ideal. It's not probably achievable I Think it's important for everyone to know that Event organizing is one of the most stressful jobs on the planet because people are more complicated to coordinate than airplanes So air traffic control is less stressful so It's not just that the information doesn't get written down from previous years it's that whole human beings have dropped out over the stress and Illnesses we've had I think this team has done very well But two people were very very hurt by the time the first day started So taking care of each other be nice to each other take care I think it's really crucial and some of that carry over in future years might improve if we're not losing important Debian people because of the stress of depicom Right, it is not necessary that every year we find that burnout or something like this. Absolutely That letter one might happen already, but if at any time it gets a bit too intense Raise your hand somewhere like message the DevConf committee or the DevConf team list or men's shouting RSC just make it clear that you need help and People will really to try to find you that help even if they can't find you help you directly Yes to add to that We can't help you if you don't tell us that you need help so In order to get our support, please inform us Helen. Yeah, I just would like To add maybe this was already commented actually It would be nice to have a page somewhere and we keep page like From that base and on teams from desk video network fundraising things with some checklists like you need to Check the the previos for food for the constraints and for or for the video need to check the infrastructure if the University allows you check the law check with the director check with If you have some certain kinds of equipment So we yeah So I guess we have some kind of Page some but it's it's not really that Organized yeah, those checklists don't exist yet, and they would be great to have The first one that we're starting off is a shopping list because shopping was a mess this day So on the debcon on a debut and wiki because we're moving everything from the debcon Wiki over to the debut and wiki so that we can deprecate that old Wiki that's still running on debcon infrastructure. We'll have lots of Lists and checklists and things that you know at least before the conference You can see what do we look like and if there's something missing at least you can add it again for the next day Conv and improve over time which is one thing just not for not just for equipment, right? Like very five these and what I what I have requested is that if the stuff is moved over We basically make this into a debcon manual. So there's like one document that says like per You know type of work poor per area of concern No, the problem The problem is very simple just migrating shit over doesn't work So this is why I requested that it gets sorted and we have somebody that wants to try and sort it So you know I think you're trying to turn to one problem two problems into one problem Yes, and make it somebody else's yes the trick That's not a good approach and also maybe a suggestion on the number of people for each role or how many roles So do you suggest? because for instance, I would like in the future to organize maybe a mini-deb conf in Italy and I don't know anything about The current organization so also how many people do you suggest for making different things? Thank you. I want to add just a bit there a mini debcon well It is similar to debcon in some aspect for fortunately It's way much simpler Of course, you can do a mini debcon for 10 people or you can do a mini debcon for 100 people But the the issues faced are completely different than a full-scale Okay Holger than Jidani And then I would like to move over to further questions from the debcon 19 team before we go too much into Never done a mini debcon for a similar event I suggest to really cut it down not do too much food let people organize their food don't organize Accommodation just concentrate on a venue and maybe talks and really keep it simple Yes, and Holger Holger organized a very good debcon from Hamburg So in case you plan to do this grab him and you know squeeze him and you will get information out or something else There's many people who do mini debcon. Oh, yeah All right, so Danny So currently the each Um day trip Leader has to pay for the day trip under out of their own money and then they get the money back later So that seems kind of weird and then another problem I have is we can edit the times of events on the wiki, but then the Corresponding part on the website. We can't edit the times on that schedules So we had to takes a couple days to get it The first of this the specific special situation in Taiwan is that the debcon wasn't paid for by the people that went on it So this is a very special situation because all other debcon people pay their own day trips But here we have government funding which we can only use for this so we use it for this And this is why you know people had to put out the money and get either the money directly back or via compensation from OCF or from SPI So it's a special it didn't have to be done by that it could have been that your money was fronted by debcon It's just the way it worked out. We also allowed advances so that was fine Yeah, the second thing sorry the second thing was on wafer and the incapable Capability to really do like the ad hoc talks in this currently was that question about ad hoc talks? No, it's just like The day trip time I wanted to change it and then the open day time I want to change it and I don't want to edit the whole thing I don't want because I could easily accidentally erase everything. I don't want to do that I just want to be able to sync the my wiki edits with the times on that website. I Don't recall the situation. Sorry. I don't have the details Usually I have to ask Goner that fix it for me and I would rather be able to do it instantly myself next time Okay, and then my next problem is those air conditioner you really got to give people to Cards because otherwise the first one's gonna run out in the middle of night This was a specific thing to debcon Then the full labels are big failure. Nobody woke up on time to even put the full labels mostly All right, thanks All right debcon 19. Do you have any questions? Which we should I don't say here if we can or take away and get you answers and writing Yes, the first question we put on the list as about shipping Shipping equipment. So we talk about that with some people And we would like to check how it was done in our other debcon and Actually, we talks with someone of the possibility to have some other Some company as UPS or some shipping company as a sponsor But instead of they giving us money They could ship things for us, but I'd like to know how it was done in others So the shipping was done by me so I guess I can answer that What we do is we do temporary import paperwork To get the stuff inside the country and outside the country which is called an ATE carne and Brazil entered the ATE carne system for the Olympics two years ago So it should be possible to do this again next year For the actual logistics Sorry So we don't have to pay import duties when we bring it in and import duties and we take it out. Yes The problem with going through shipping companies is that so most of the like companies that you would use as as an individual Would not be able to do the temporary import paperwork So you pay VAT when you enter a country and you pay VAT when you enter the next country So you pay twice the VAT on stuff that you own already We've looked into doing this through professional channels And we settled for half or less. Do you still do it? So there's and it was way more expensive than just having extra the gauge on someone So if we went to double the amount of equipment to ship we might consider External companies again sending somebody along with OST. Yeah, maybe I don't know All right, so so long question short. Yes logistics is problem But we think we know quite well how it works have it under control So if you find the issues buck this person if he's not available We have no backup because welcome this day. So do you need? Any information from us local team to do some kind of research or something like that? I'm gonna get in touch with the people who do the temporary import paperwork in France to make sure whether they know how Brazil works and then I come to you to confirm and then we will need an Address to ship to and some weight. Sorry. We're not shipping Yep for sponsors who are shipping things We will need an address to ship to and some way that it can be stored between being shipped and start of debcon Right and experience tells us that shipping things to Brazil can take two or three months to clear through customs So that means you will have to have this really early So like what we did here is like ship to the venue and make it arrive one week before the conference It's very convenient for us, but we'll possibly not work in Brazil So for you you please need some space where you can store things and address and we need to announce this to our sponsors Three months four months before they actually need the stuff on site because of the peculiarities of Let's please not All right, the second question there was money. Are we going to that now? Getting money in the country Yeah, well, there is the I think getting money into Brazil is really easy getting money out of Brazil is really hard Was it the other way around? All right, okay Yeah, we need to like one of the things which we need to be doing with you now It's like what legal structure do we use for the dep conf 19? So for example here in Taiwan we promoted OCF Taiwan, which is an existing Organization that does support for free software into a deviantrusted organization There's a process around this which basically runs through the Debian structure and gets finally approved by by our DPL and Then this organization is allowed to hold money or other assets in trust for Debian Maybe we need to do something similar in Brazil or maybe we don't need to do this and Keep the finance flow mostly outside of Brazil. You know, those are the things we need to be discussing When you have, you know your estimation of how many attendees and how you want to provide food and stuff like this because basically the the only cost you have locally is the venue the food and incidentals for you know front desk and stuff like this So those are the things which you need to pay locally if you find sponsors that cover it and pay locally The rest can be kept inside SPI Inc Which is the legal entity in in the US that keeps most of the demian assets If you have the issue like we had here in Taiwan that the local sponsors were not providing sufficient funds Then we start to get money flows and then we need to see how these actually can work as far as I can tell People from SPI who were involved when dep conf was last in Brazil are still around and Still have some like idea of how things work And they seem keen to get involved as well and make sure that everything works. So it should be okay I saw on the presentation about the local team Vessels global team if you had some kind of stress On the next two months. We always can solve this stress with a soccer game, right? So we can do a local team invests global team on a soccer game In Brazil, all right, I'll be the goalie. I'm not used for anything else sure we would like to To have in Brazil some kind of legacy From the community We don't like we would like that the community goes go to Brazil and go out in no No kind of legacy you can have that there even Outside them So you are thinking how the community can do something in Brazil in Curitiba, especially That we can say that guys that people Help the us here even outside the community there. I don't know what but if someone have idea We will receive all kind of suggestions about that Someone give me a simple example. Okay, we can make a Discussion or if someone is outside in the university or outside to talk in English for example, we have Community community people that is speaking English very well. So we can Make some conversations in English about everything something like that. It's a simple example But if you have something, please say to us I think one of the ideas is like every year we have a different position on invited speakers So this year there were very little invited speakers The question is like would you want to use the opportunity that you bring the full depth comes to Curitiba? Yes to motivate Stellar speakers from elsewhere in the world to join us and that this way also You know create interest beyond the Debian people which migrate there Anyways because you do a depth conf into the wider open-source community and free software community which exists in brazil We really would like that if for example video team Leave a legacy there how to work with video audio everything it will be very nice for us not for not only for local team But really the people in Curitiba that like this guy this kind of stuff Maybe during that camp we could offer a one-day how to do video with the type of hardware and software Our team is using workshop and invite everybody who wants to do local meetups and tape them on video To play around with the stuff and learn how to use it So tumbleweed is known to lock hardware from the US and bring it along for people So you know we've done talks about this at Debian before we can do it again Yeah So what I like about your deb conf team especially is well every year we have the problem that The deb conf team the deb conf local team especially wants to have this big fancy open day Where they're going to invite 500 people from the public and then what actually happens is we end up with around 50 Debian people hearing an intro of what free software means and That's just a kind of frustrating and boring for everyone So I'm glad that you decided to rather do away with an open day and just have a track that will be interesting for locals And I think that's a great that that's already a great puzzle piece of establishing your legacy Because people in general don't care about big fancy flashy things They care about the basics being real good Can they do they have a nice bed to sleep in do they have food to eat? Once all of that is taken care of all the basics then deb conf will be great there's no doubt about it and I think keeping it simple is a really good idea and what I've really liked about your team so far in a Meeting we had the other night is how you do tend to keep things really simple and good And I think that's going to build up to being your legacy in Brazil And I hope that if you pull it off future deb confs will follow that example as well Sure, and after this that's virtually nearly nothing we can add anymore, right? So I'd like to any more question. No, okay. I'd like to thank you for attending the boff We are available deb conf committee at lists.debian.org if you need to write something to us in private otherwise use the team channel We do read that as well Use the RSC team channel to chat to us And we'd be happy to participate in you know any local meetings as long as they're in English because otherwise We probably are no use net he is waving her arm. You want something I was saying are we going to open the floor to questions from? bidders for 20 Time unfortunately run out so We at least I'm still here today. I think tumbleweed. You're here. I'm here tomorrow Hi voltage. You're here so tomorrow as well. So, you know grab us, please if you have any questions and Please get us a great deb conf 22. We're looking forward to the We key pages of the bits Thank you And you thank you very much for the local team this year. We could learn a lot with you Thank you very much for your hard work and great work Thank you