 Welcome back, it's still the breakfast on plus TV Africa now to first major conversation. After a week of confusion over its leadership and Nigeria's ruling or progressives Congress may have finally found a resolution as the recently removed leadership of the party's caretaker and extraordinary convention planning committee returned to take control of the party's sectorate. Mr. John Akbano-Doerrige, who is the secretary of the committee on Tuesday returned to the who say two headquarters of the all progressives Congress called the Buhari House, amidst tight security and jubilation amongst the party staff. Now there were reported moves by some governors including the governor of Katoona State NASA L5 to remove Akbano-Doerrige and the chairman of the caretaker committee and your base state governor Mae Mela Boonee. Now the plan allegedly was to install the Niger state governor Abu Bakar Bello as a substantive caretaker chairman of the all progressives Congress at a national executive committee meeting slated for March 17, 2020, however the attempt was botched by letter from the independent national electoral commission which affirmed Boonee's leadership. Now, INEC in the letter had also stated that it would only recognize correspondences or letters from Boonee and Akbano-Doerrige signed by these two. Now having been reaffirmed by the secretary, having been reaffirmed by INEC and the APC, Akbano-Doerrige then returned to the party sectorate on Blantyre Street on Tuesday morning and was escorted to his office by about four AK-47-wielding policemen. The scribe went on to address the media at the party's headquarters and he said that it became necessary to clarify in his words the event of last week, referring to the takeover of the chairmanship seat by Niger state governor Sani Bello. Udoit again insisted that the ruling party is crisis free despite all that has been going on and despite all the headlines. They also insisted the party is strong and united in giving Nigeria what it called the transformative leadership and good governance that it had promised. Now on Monday it was reported that President Muhammad Buhari had waded into the leadership crisis ravaging the party which of course Akbano-Doerrige has insisted is not a crisis. After various leaders of the party took the battle for the soul of the APC to London where Buhari himself is receiving medical attention and of course we had headlines like Buhari, Saves, Pune, what exactly it went on and what are the prospects for the All Progressives Congress following this development. Joining us now to discuss this we would like to say good morning and welcome to the Secretary of the Medical and Risk Convention Planning Committee of the All Progressives Congress Ibrahim Oshinowo. Mr. Oshinowo, good morning to you and thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me, it's nice to be here again. Okay indeed, do you agree with the headlines and the talk that it was President Muhammad Buhari who saved Buhari or do you think it was Aineg who came to his rescue? Honestly, like I did say, like I did mention in my interview with Arise T with the last time is that our party is not witnessing any political rank or leadership change. Governor Abululou, A.K. Abululou, Governor of United States, Abutir Prada, you know, party leader, party man and you know the co-progressive, Governor of Nigeria State, Governor Billow. He is still the member of the CACPC, he's a Deputy Chairman of the Committee led by you know Governor Bhuni. So what just happened is that Governor Bhuni right now is he is on the medical tour and he has handed over the battle and reign of leadership to Governor Billow. So what happened then? I was at the sectariat, I was invited by Arise TV, I was on here at that moment on Monday when Governor Billow came into the sectarian, nothing unusual happened. You know there's a lot in the media, there's a lot you know different stories and we strongly believe that that's the handbook of PDP, you know trying to create conviction of what transpired in their party a couple of years back or trying to lure that into our party. We are doing very, very well. Our president, Momo Dugrari is the father of the nation and the father of our party. So he has no issue, you know in a big political party like APC there are some you know there will be some family fractions you know here and there you know people feeling that the CPC will not do the convention and the rest. Mr. Sashino, are you there please? The quality of your audio has dropped, I don't know if you can hear us. In case you can hear us maybe using the earpiece can you pull it out so we can hear you better. But we'll try and get back to him, let's see if we can fix that. Interesting points he's made, it's always fantastic to talk to the drama to his personnel because they'll give you the background information and what you may not even see on the pages of the newspapers, you know. So of course he said that Governor Billow of Niger State was indeed Boone's deputy in that Ketaka and Extraordinary Convention Planning Committee that's the longest name for a party committee I've had in the history of the Nigerian politics that I know. But you know that letter reportedly from Boone written to Governor Billow saying I'm going, I'm going to Dubai to take care of myself, while I'm going please act in my stead. If that letter is true and I'd like Ibrahim Walsh you know to tell us if that letter is actually authentic because you know. So he was actually acting. Yeah it means that this was sort of like a stab in the back of Boone. You know I gave the party to you and you sat on my chair and then you said your chair. But we would like to really hear from you. I'm told we have Ibrahim Walsh you know who is a Secretary of the Medical and Risk Convention Committee of the APC back okay. He's not yet back but once he comes back we'll put him on the air. These are the intrigues ahead of 2023 mercy. So but we can never take out the fact that there will always be interest and politics is interest. And every time you say politics is about the fact that that's interest people would always act in their own interest. And so it might just be an opportunity for you know Bello to think that hey you know why don't I grab this. But if you look at it holistically you want to say that there's a lot. Now you had open up on Qatari talking about another element in the party taking advantage of the fact that it is unconstitutional because that's the biggest hit. So just imagine that you have another person who has interest who's going to you know push the card and come out to say hey we're going to challenge the fact that you have these are sitting governors. September on correct me these are sitting governors. So it would make nonsense of the APC and there might just be a tendency that having them on the ballot paper for 2023 might not be a possibility and which is not it. Now the reason a lot of people would say why are we you know you bent on talking about the APC. We need to understand that it's a ruling party seven years and counting. It's a lot. If you look at the seats that they occupy you find out that you know at the National Assembly they have more seats than of course there's a dominant party at the time. And so very funny with 208 because I'm we're hoping that we'll connect to Tina and we find out what they're going to do. He also needs to verify like you mentioned there's some issues that you don't know that you hear from the. So we do have him back and Ibrahim Oshinuwa. Yes Mr. Oshinuwa can you hear us please. Yes I can thank you. Okay you were making a point before we lost the connection so please can you continue. So you know we really don't have much in our party. It thinks it's getting well. Right now Governor Boone is the leader of the party is the leader of the CACPC the Catholic Committee. Why Senator Aparna O'Donnell is the secretary and Governor Boone remains our home. He's a party man. He's a vice chairman. He's a vice chairman of the committee and we are moving forward. I can assure you we're going to do a convention on the 26th of you know March 2022 by grace of God. So you know anybody can go to London. You know I've been to London you know couple of times this year and I'm still going to be in London so anybody can go to London. So I don't want to hear about that. But were you trying to say before we lost you that there was no crisis in the party that all the PDP or putting headlines in the papers and making papers talk about what was not there is that what you're saying. Yes that's it they just you know meet here just saying what is not you know I can say they are saying because we have credible intelligence that what PDP is trying to do we have few media not saying of the media few media you know how to reach you know trying to creep by trying to create you know Proxy member of APC some boys goes on the TV saying you know different things about that. Because you know what we saw the video of of Bello Governor a sunny Bello of Niger State sitting on Boone's chair and making some statements and of course we know what Governor Erofi said you know we know Governor Erofi and some other members of the party have said. And the party wrote and the party wrote this is on record it you know it's incontrovertible the party wrote to INEC to say we are we are we are planning something we're going to have a meeting on Thursday. Only for INEC to write back to the party to say we don't recognize the signatures on this letter we want to see the signatures of Boone and Akwano do it again then we can accept this letter and be at your meeting your next meeting. So why are you saying we do expect it was not true there we do we do expect you later you are quoting first the letter did not mention Boone or the secretary the letter referred to them that the chairman the chairman and the secretary needs to sign and what they mean what that means is that when Boone was when Governor Boone was starting out of the country he only delivered a letter of transfer power to Governor Bello at least the INEC is expected or INEC is expecting a copy of their letters before that to them INEC is just making a reference is not saying that there's issue INEC is just making a reference that there has to be a change there has to be a notification from Boone to there and those are just simple you know administrative issue doesn't have any right to be checked why didn't Akwano do it again sign that letter sorry why didn't Akwano do it again sign the letter secretary of the committee Akwano needs to do other functions it was not in town in fact the letter was signed by I think one of me it was not even Governor Bello that signed the letter I guess it was not Governor Bello that signed the letter you are saying something about Governor Rufei Governor Rufei is one of our best you know hands and one of our best performing governor you know he's entitled to his own view you know you know in politics you have a different issue I might decide to have a different opinion about certain issue would you say that's a different issue because he was very clear about you know the statement that he made that the president you know had insured that you don't have Boone he was removed and you had do you have the clip of where the president is saying but that's not the case now a lot of people would say you have you already here have mentioned that Governor Erufi is one of the best of the APC you have said that and and a lot of people perceive him and would not think that he would be an element of propaganda look my dear sister this is politics don't forget that primary is coming in couple of months and different opinion different interests is going to bring the ruling I don't want you to get that about that Governor Erufi is just a one governor out of 22 governors and one deputy governor don't forget that so his entitled to his own opinion you understand if you are saying the president said the president said you should expect you know official you know official statement from Femi Adishino from the chief of staff and under cabinet member but I'm not saying that's what I said he might possibly make with the president maybe via phone or he is in London but those statements needs to be official so we are not going to believe that just one one governor is saying this and that's work but now you can see that the party has released the timetable we have released yeah before we go there before we go there before we go there sorry to interrupt you sir but but you're insinuating that there was no crisis in the party you're insinuating that Governor Bello didn't try to to to take over the reins or the office of the seat of the chairman of the party you're insinuating that he only was just acting in the state of Booney which is not true so that is not true because we know that that Bello addressed there was a statement he was captured on video we know that Governor Rotimiakere the law of Ondo state said those who are backing Governor Booney are Yahoo Yahoo governors we know that NASA aero fire has also been backing Bello we know that the next meeting to hold there was we're meant to hold on Thursday was meant to install officially install Bello as the the substantive chairman of the party and that was why the man was it was it was the roto ionic we know that the air has been around but was not allowed to function that's why he didn't sign the letter so what why are you painting this the wrong way please be careful to Nigerians you know what and stop the propaganda let me make let me make something clear to you are you a member of APC the facts are out there the statements are there why did the governor of Ondo state call some of the governors supporting Booney and the word support itself shows that it's a crisis why did he call them Yahoo Yahoo Governors sir let me answer those questions i guess that's question is supposed to me let me answer those questions one you are not a member of the APC all the informations you are getting or reading from the paper or you are getting or being reported are third party information i am giving you an inside information you know what there's no issue or there's no you know there's not there's no any governor can say Mr. A is a Yahoo Yahoo Governors if you ask Governor Kerry who is Yahoo Yahoo Governors he's talking about in APC we don't have a Yahoo Yahoo Governors we have a credible man you know character who a member who are leading a party in different states so he used to be in the best position to to discuss who is Yahoo Yahoo Governors number two Governor Bello don't forget he's the vice chairman of that of the CACPC committee so in the sense of Booney he has the authority to act and when Booney arrive he's going to take charge and I'm sure Booney will be in town maybe today or tomorrow and he doesn't if he has contacted Booney they have both governors they know how things works you know little fractures that you see happen even in your family you have issues within your kids you have one or two issues within and you resolve it doesn't mean I have to go to the market square and say there's crisis APC is going to pull down these are works and these are work and of oppositions the PDP who are sending people into a party to foil crisis that's what I'm saying don't get bothered about Governor Kerry Dulu who are the governor ask Governor Kerry Dulu to name the Yahoo Yahoo Governors ask Governor Kerry Dulu to name all those Yahoo Yahoo Governors so we don't have Yahoo Yahoo Governors if we don't have and somebody say Yahoo Yahoo I can say somebody is a Yahoo Yahoo person I don't even know what to mean by Yahoo Yahoo so so what what what did the leadership of the party go to London to see President Buhari for reminds me of the poem Pussycat Pussycat where have you been said I've been to London to see the queen what did they go to London to do if there was no issue in the party how can you ask a sitting governor what do you go to London to do I've been going to London for so many many years I can decide to go to London this morning it was because of the crisis okay so so let's move away from that now and look at another issue you are saying that there's no issue of course you also have affirming that you know bello was actually acting at a time where you didn't have boone around yes away from that but let's look at the issue of having a sitting governor becoming you know acting having a position and acting and that's contrary to the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria 1999 as amended 183 that particular section of the constitution that says that no sitting governor whatsoever should hold any position however and then you know because you're also having boonee here who is a governor and even if you you you the APC will be tilting towards having bello it's also a governor so so what is the party saying about this this is unconstitutional that has been described by a lot of Nigerians including you know those who uphold the constitution and understand the law I would refer you back to accurate the loop versus PDP in the last under governorship election the supreme court case is in landmark case is clear and I think the supreme court verdict has cleared that you know you know if you look at the section you are quoting very well no governor or deputy governor can engage in a paid job this is not an executive job it's a committee it's a committee it's not a paid job no benefit it's just a committee but the constitution was very clear he said whatsoever whatsoever whether paid I mean the word whatsoever is very explicit on his own but can you read can you read the line can you read that I don't have I can't read it verbatim right now to you I know the I know I know I was in the supreme court during the verdict of course it's a it's a four to three but gov nakir dolu case has set to is a landmark case that has set to boonee's issue that's why you don't see any litigation over that boonee stands illegitimate and boonee's the committee stand is legitimate and you know it's lawful at this time because there is a supreme court verdict on it don't forget that the same boonee nominated akir dolu into uh sign akir dolu's nomination form and it has been sex texted from high court cut of appeal and the supreme court and that is a set okay so we have a lawful and constitutional you know uh committee to you know leading a party at this time in the next couple of days we are going to have it with the elected chairman that will take over from boonee so we can move forward all right all right we have to wrap it up thank you very much for your time uh Ibrahim Oshino is the secretary of the medical but let me quickly let me quickly say this you guys are entitled to join a pc we are we need new members who would like to join so you can have the fresh information about our party all right I appreciate your time I appreciate your time I mean thanks for that uh that that piece of advice and all the best with your work as you plan for your convention will be there definitely plus city africa Ibrahim Oshino is the uh uh secretary of the medical and risk committee of the apc uh ahead of that national convention interesting one we have to move on um to our next uh conversation mercy of course and when we return we'll be looking at the issue of inflation for Nigeria and what that holds for you know Nigerians and the entire economy please stay with us