 Oh, how's it going everybody dotted away here back with another video for Dragonball Fighters this time though We are finally making good on that discussion video for Roshi. I promise of course. We are also playing live I'm playing a team of Roshi Krillin and Yamcha and joining us. We have Lotus How's it going here was good everybody You might have noticed as you look at the teams that I am not playing Roshi But I did decide to play Videl as the kind of like even the playing field a little bit and play a character That's just not my main team and me beating up, you know I'm maybe not that world-developed yet master Roshi on Dotto's side because I Really feeling the character that much muscle, but we gonna get into it, I guess That is actually the reason I really wanted to do this video because if you don't follow both of our channels Lotus, we both do a lot of fighters content. I'm sure you're aware of that But we both try to do a lot of DLC videos just because you know We really like the game and want to stay up to date and it's just a lot of fun always checking out the new character Even if you don't really like it and I believe for you You don't even like Roshi as a character that much, right? I do not I've never really been a fan of them Like in the actual Dragon Ball series To me Roshi's is not very cool. I don't find them very funny A lot of people disagree with that and you're free to teach their own But I just I just just never been a Roshi fan didn't want them in the game Didn't think he'd be very popular didn't think he'd be very fun and very cool And I pretty much still hold that opinion. I think he's a well-made character I think he's really unique and I think they did some cool things with him in this game You know with the moves that they gave him, but it's not a character for me, bro It was never gonna be I tried it just I couldn't do it Yeah, and then that's another aspect is like Roshi is a very Tough character in the game So that was that was like the main topic. I wanted to discuss is like Do you think this is something like did it with the experiment payoff like I guess you said Roshi is an interesting character But yeah, it was like the muscle memory was ridiculous. Yeah, he's pretty unique and I want to go on record I've been saying it pretty much since he came out And I've seen like a lot of the other you know players and streamers agree with me on the sentiment Although strangely enough, I've had a decent amount of you to come disagree with this idea But I think Roshi is now easily the most technical and difficult character in the game I mean you think I would agree you think not having a super dash is a big deal than it is But honestly once I started playing the character It was an even bigger deal than I originally expected to be once I finally started trying to play him and then like his whoops his combo Like his combo routes are actually pretty challenging like it takes more execution than most characters I've played and I played some weird ones. You guys know if you watch my channel I've been playing a lot of hit lately and he's a little bit unconventional But Roshi surpasses him in unconventionality Definitely a lot harder to play than anyone else that I've personally tried to learn Yeah, I actually I'm glad you brought that up because I asked numerous times walla during the full week of just Roshi teams I said does anybody think like is it just me or is this the hardest character in the game? Yeah, and people are like not surprisingly. He's pretty easy So I'm actually really happy to hear that because I was very afraid like Roshi would Fail just off like he's too hard to get into but I think Like I think everybody's been into it so far at least from an idea and I'd be open to seeing more non-superdash characters I don't know how they would do it with other characters because to be honest I'm fully convinced like this was a really hard undertaking for them Like I fully believe that somebody pitched the idea in their room They really liked it and went with it and then they like we're like, oh my god It's gonna take us eight years. Whoa Can we talk are we ready to move on and talk about Roshi in particular But I hadn't seen anyone use them So the reason I opted to go for that ex move as a reversal and nobody talks about this for so I'm sure a lot of people do but it's frame one and it beats low. It crushes low So cheap it's so good. It is ridiculous. So I kind of I kind of use it like a reversal even though it can get stuffed It's just Man is that move good. So what were the last few things you want to talk about before we get into like Roshi? Just as a character when they first um, you know revealed that he wasn't gonna have a super-dash I was like, okay What kind of broken tools are they gonna give this character to make him playable because not having super-dash is like last time they gave a character The inability you know the last number of strict a character from access to a system mechanic was the bell and not having a reflect Is the biggest reason why I felt like this character is one of the weakest if not the weakest in the game for a long time So I was like, is Roshi gonna be able to cut it without a super-dash. I don't know but surprisingly He does seem to do pretty well and a lot of people are enjoying him Which I'm glad to see because even though I didn't want the character He's easily been one of the most requested and most anticipated for some reason And I like to say he's always been up there, but I'm surprised whatever I see fit I'm surprised as many people are able to join because I really felt like he was inaccessible as a character because he just seems so hard to get Oh my goodness, you just seem so hard to get into because so technical, but if people are having fun and Yeah, I'm I'm actually psyched that people actually do like him because I was that again That was the big worry, but I guess now we can just move on to Roshi as a character starter with that frame one just Beating low and you get combos over that that to me was crazy about a frame Yeah, that was the muscle memory you're supposed to just click heavy after that and get the combo that way But took some getting used to it like I didn't plan for very long But in the short while I did I was like yeah This is just remembering to hit heavy instead of falling it up with our two was what's the challenge? Yeah, it's it's rough and then the best level to in the game go ahead and mention that as it happens But there's a lot to like about Roshi including Thunder shock surprise. I think is another move that everybody unanimously agrees Yeah, just being able to it's an unblockable move that Quite honestly is way better than I would expect it to be and something I've seen a fair amount of people just like actually trying to Restate the idea of a snap meta with Roshi and then just snapping somebody out and then hitting with thunder shot Surprise on the way in which is getting more miles out of it. You expect hold you got the you got these I do I've been practicing Sauce and on them. Okay. Um, yeah, oh speaking of snap. So whoa speaking of snapped Roshi's actually got a couple of snap things about him. If you ask me that be assist is Just insane like to me. It is easily not one of the best assist in the game So good in fact that speaking of snap metas and snapping a character in or out Have you seen the new tech that's been going around? Thanks to, you know, Goichi and Ali you and where there are actual like snap setups again with Roshi be assist and multiple different characters I have seen that I've I've been trying to pace close attention to that I might not know as much about it as I want to but yeah I have seen that people are starting to reinstate the snap meta, which is funny to me because I saw a lot of people I saw a lot of people that were like I want snap back and then they saw that and they were like I don't like this and I was like, well, what were you asking? Well, I think it's pretty reasonable because It's nowhere near as strong or How do I explain see the thing about the snap before in the game is that it's something you could just loop over and over again But you pretty much can't do that because like you just you have to be in the corner with some characters like bought But let's say bottle for example, right, which is another character who which is one of the main characters would make use of that He has to be in the corner It's very specific and you can only go at once because you need the assist So you know you can't you can't just do it over and over again And then if they block, you know the actual mix-up then it's like, okay. Well, here we go Yeah, I know I agree. I just saw people that were Specifically asking for old snap and then saw that and we're like, oh, I don't want that easy against me I was like, bro, that's let's you be told that's one of the people that misses But I'm not gonna play Roshi in order to do it Nice do it. Yeah Roshi be assist even outside of just that application of it. It's just really good It kind of feels like it's it's bar dog be with armor like people memed about bar dog But it's like it's literally bar dog with armor It feels like a mix between bar dog and Android 17 Like it's just oh wow like when it catches you specifically and stops you so that you can get hit and then combat It's like bro. You did not need to do all that. It's kind of ridiculous. I'm not gonna lie I wouldn't be surprised because like I said, he's got some other strong tool It seems like he's really hard But I wouldn't be surprised if the assist alone makes it that's a lot of people want to play him because like It's it's really good. And especially if you're somebody who wants that, you know that option to snap somebody mix Them up off that. I mean he's seemingly the way to go about doing Yeah, I just accidentally jump back instead of blocking Yeah, that stuff seems like really good. I'm I am worried about Roshi's Because we just have to go back to the super dash. I'm worried about Roshi's ability to be played in high-level play purely because A lot of people don't talk about this aspect of fighters But scrambles are a huge aspect of the game even at that level super dashing is my go-to move when a scrambles is a way I'm not saying you kid scramble with Roshi Well, I'm not being able to have that homing dash is like that is important But I think some it's even more important that a lot of the casual audience may not understand or no But and I don't even know if you knew this yet or not, but Roshi can't super jump float Yeah, I was floating is super important in this game at high-level and he just he can't do it So it's another reason that like why I could see a lot of people even more so than I've been with super dash because like people Could get over that like it would take a lot of practice, but it's it's super jump float is like one of the most important movement options in this game and Not having access to that a high level is like a big detriment to a lot of people's play I got no as soon as super new found out he was like never mind. I'm not playing this care Yeah, it's just it's it's a lot to expect I Just I just yeah, I'm worried about how much Roshi we're going to see but I think he'll be You brought up Videl is a good point. I don't think like even now Videl I think you're so sick now like the combos are much better the routes are much more interesting Yes, but even still Yeah, I was gonna say even still people like bro, I can't reflect. Yeah. No, that's me right now I was like I want to play the character. I think she's really fun I think she's got some really sick ass combos now, but not having reflect on my bra I'm too big to scrub your secret block all day long. We're saying won't work Yeah There's just so many moments where you I don't know how this turned into a Videl's reflecting, but I Think the main difference between something like Roshi that removes a system mechanic But tries to make up for it in some ways Videl just gets a dodge and nothing else after it to replace that reflect Because like you can't really cancel out of it and you don't Get to act out of it very quickly and like using it repeatedly to dodge like multi-hitting things. It's this is not good I like they it's an interesting and unique mechanic. It was a cool idea I think it flopped and they're so scared of making it actually useful because I don't want to make it Overpowers that might get I don't know man. I don't they slightly buffed it in this patch and it's still bad Like specifically something that always comes to mind it actually happened very recently But of it del dodge my options will fang fist and then I just ex came back around and they couldn't react in time Did not get hit by it. I just came back around just hit him with the old ex and they were just like well That's not Yeah, yeah Whereas at least Roshi has way more thought put it to his like Everything's still where you could still like I guess that's evident by the fact people don't mind it too much But yeah, you can still play Roshi like a fighter's character. It's just a little less It just flows a little less like the rest of the cast just betrays your muscle memory a little bit. Oh my god I'm just gonna switch out try to maintain that. I almost forgot about it But I also want to talk about his uh, I mean, I don't know what you want to call it Reversal what his raw tag is something interesting, but not the yeah, what's the course of go back heavy that that move is uh Something like it's are you just the DP? Yeah, like it's bro. Have you tried safe jumping that move cuz it feels damn near impossible I know I remember apology man was talking about it in the showcase about how it's really hard But like I have never once successfully safe jumped that move It's like you kind of have to like bait it out and try to punish it that way cuz like Everything about that move is ridiculous. I don't know why they gave that to him. Um, I use it a lot like I spam it Good The one downside is that it does you can if you're low health It becomes less of a good option because you can just die, but it's still like it's still ridiculous I would I would easily recommend that move. Just like spam that move if you play Roshi Reason not to Slipping by a couple times that I think the move was over and there's one more hit and then I get it I'm like, oh damn It does have like weird I think that I actually do think that's a genuine point to bring up because That happens to a lot of people's like are you gonna punch again? And then they let you get away with it or they get hit again, and it's like damn It's hard to it's hard to keep track of yeah, but I'm glad you mentioned it The rod tag is the next thing I want to talk about because like I said a lot of thought put into this replacement as opposed to Videl that because you get specific different combos with this and what I've seen you can do um Yeah, well another thing I forgot speaking like his raw tag and the super-dash like the beam has an actual like hitbox on it Like you can get hit by the beam from his raw tag and super-dash. It's like really weird. I've had that happen to me multiple times Yeah, it's Again, it's just like they put a lot of thought into it. I'm glad because It's just not Videl's dodge. It's like it actually has benefit to it's not the same But it's not a worse option like I could easily see if there were more characters in the game Like there would be players that like oh I only play characters with that kind of a tag because I like those combos or I like the The fact that it has a hitbox behind it. Also Roshi's dead Much this set. I'm glad if I took down a character. I don't think Videl's taking the character this whole set But yeah, that that stuff was I have put more thought and effort into him And in making more unique and I feel like they've been doing that with a lot of the DLC since season 2 like They've made the characters a lot more unique and actually feeling different Actually feel different from the rest of the cast because like gojita and Broly don't feel like most characters and Videl and Jiren are unique in their own rights for better or worse and Roshi is like the most character of them all now UI Goku is Too much UI Goku was overloaded Is what it is You might go who feels different in the fact that he's so fighters that actually kind of hurts Man, he's fighters and then so my man got a couple options. I nobody else has and this is like what I do about this Yeah, I would say I that's a good point I've really liked that they've been trying to branch out more because DBS Broly was great Gojita was really interesting and not too good until recently. I think I think he's acceptable now I wouldn't be upset if they never touched him again much better as a character Um, I hope people had with these buffs because he got some really good stuff that he desperately needed I know a lot of I know a really big thing for a lot of people was like his arm his poor frame data and Fortunately, they made his like his buttons a little bit better on block so that he actually has some safe buttons He can stagger with so I know that was a big thing for it feels it even even not as a gojita player It just feels better. It just feels way better play that character. Oh my god. Okay, wait a minute Okay, I kind of froze up. It was just like Uh Yeah, gojita feels way better DBS Broly was unique a UI goku felt unique in the fact that Like he was just so cheap. So I'll give it up for that Kevlar was a bit disappointing just in she was kind of standard But even she is pretty fun. She had that dash a lot of people say I think Kevlar's pretty boring I still think the case is really cool and I like watching her I don't play as much as I'm sure people who knows this fight how excited I was but it's really easy because I just It's like angry 18 more but Yeah, I yeah Her in her to me. She's a she's not boring. She's a little bare bones. She's like a a more interesting TN His TN is kind of TN is the driest character in this game Even though I'm a huge fit of TN He is very dry for me It's got to be during because everything he does like it looks so wack no matter what but I Feel you on the team thing I've been saying in my videos that I think the main reason he wasn't played is because he's so dry because He was never really bad. I think he was okay before he's a lot better now But um, I think the biggest reason why he didn't see a lot of players because a lot of people just think he's really boring I would agree I actually made a joke on Twitter recently that I think TN is a character doomed to be buff forever That's because nobody will play him because he's just a little bit on the bland side I know what the kill say so everybody under these buffs, but I don't know if they're gonna hold Was not prepared for a dry Common cause I was like if I go for the mix he's gonna guard cancel So I'm just gonna drag and rush here and hope he doesn't matter I definitely was smart because I don't think we dragon rush very very much. That's that I was mentally I wasn't even on the level expecting dragon rush I'll try to think if there's any other closing points. I want to bring up. Oh, yeah I hope they keep moving in that new direction because Roshi was seven steps beyond unique He he is crazy. Yeah, like there's no other character like it is It is sick that they listen to people because again, I've seen him since the beginning of the channel all the community polls He's been up there. So once again at the end of Roshi week I hope that if you were hoping for this character you enjoyed him I I wasn't too excited for him, but even I ended up enjoying him a lot I put a lot of time in the lab with this character hardest DLC week for sure But once again, thank you for watching this video all the way to the end I hope you enjoy this by monthly dragon ball fighters podcast Where we also get our ass beat the background But if you did definitely let me know down below in the comment section Make sure to like button and subscribe and check out some of the videos that should be on your screen And also make sure to check out lotus's channel, which will be linked down below as always I have been Nazadoya, and I will see you in the next video