 Action to that video up on YouTube like within that day I could see people getting irritated about that because at that point I'm not really sure if that would cannibalize, but I could see people getting asked mad about that and that's fair. I think So principally underline that like what's going on. What's the big issue? It's that they they are entitled to money and views and it's getting taken from them Principally that's a no I'm actually intending today to figure out my position ultimately I'm gonna use you for it Well principally there are like there's a couple I think principally you'd have to go way back into What what do we think about? What do we think about copyright and that's a difficult question? Let's say for instance that somebody could violate somebody else's copyright and make ten million dollars without ever negatively impacting the original Copyright holder would that be ethical or unethical? It was it was interesting so you brought it up earlier and I I'm with you on it the the game one with stories and stuff I actually I ask it every once in a while when we do an e-fab episode a long plays ethical and obviously everyone knee-jerk It's like of course they are I enjoy them and it's like that Long plays if for anybody doesn't know it's the just concept of you have the full game recorded and you don't speak You don't say anything you have People walking around and doing choices especially games we like that matters You can argue that some level of the input from the creator But if we have a game like the stuff from is it super massive games where they make games that are like story-based entirely They're almost films little hope would probably be the best example It's a video game that really that that's a whole other conversation is barely a video game But if they uploaded that info and made money off it is that right should that be done is and and you know You were talking about people not doing enough to respond to it It's like I wonder if the game company knew about it. They probably do know about it They've decided that the promotion is enough to outweigh it kind of like whether or not you should stop shoplifting with extra security or not Because it's like it's spending, you know the balances and stuff I think that there's two actually to be as a quick addendum to that some companies are worth that and some companies do take a standing It's that so for instance the nendas games Which I believe made persona. Yes Atlas games I believe had a policy where once the game was released They didn't want people streaming or uploading anything past like the first chapter of the game or something And they said they would be striking people you could upload like up to a certain part And then they didn't want people spoiling the rest. Yeah, and I think Nintendo just outright like I remember total biscuit I was swearing them off because of the shit that they did we don't talk about Nintendo because Nintendo lives in their whole other Universe, yeah, stupid Nintendo like if you've got like a little brother walking around in the background of your video Like I'm coming a salda or a link hat on like they'll send like fucking Japanese Assassins to your house to like kill you Nintendo's in a whole other world of crazy shit Well, that's that's the thing the part that makes this a little bit more reasonable, right? It's that we we can both agree on the either extreme on one side like when you've turned a 10 minute video into 10 hours with your commentary It's like you've transformed that that's yours They can't claim that the money you've gotten from that should belong to them That's a yeah, but that's this is where the first principles thing is really important because people keep bringing that up But it's interesting to me people say like transformative content is better and it's like well Why because it's transformative well if your initial argument was the original videos harmed in my personal opinion I feel like transformative content might be more harmful than straight rips, right? Like if would I watch an original video or would I watch a boring as many gold react to it? I probably just watch the original video because why do I want like the shittier version like maybe the chat on the side I don't know but for highly transformative content there might be times where it's like this guy uploaded a video I don't know if I trusted and I'm just gonna wait until somebody that I trust reacts to it And then I'll see like if it's good or not right so in that sense I feel like transformative videos can be far more humble There are probably certain online content creators that will give a take on something political and people won't watch that original video But they'll wait for me to respond to it to know why they do or don't like it But they have no desire to engage the original and they're just looking for my transformative reaction to it So in that sense that would be a highly transformative reaction But it would actually be damaging to the initial video because nobody wants to watch the initial they just want to see The response to it, you know, which is why I think that this is a mess this whole conversation with everybody involved because Everyone's darting from different positions and defending different positions and a lot of people who are included when they shouldn't be or vice versa I've seen people say like why would you take any issues with any of this when you run a react channel? It's like that's true, but I love reactions Like if there's a video that's ten minutes long talking about like everything that's wrong with American politics And then you cover it and you let's say turn it into a 20 30 minute video But you have really great research Fucking annihilating it and then that person says why don't you feel for me more? I got all my shit stolen by destiny. Everyone's watching that video instead I'd be like yeah, good for you like good for you meaning destiny that you've taken the shit video dramatically improved it and Transformed into a brand new piece of content. I assume that's got to be a part of Deciding whether or not someone is is frustrated or not with the situation So here this is so this is what I always criticize people for and I think you see it happening a lot here Is sometimes it feels like people are just trying to shit on people and they don't actually care about like helping people It reminds me of when like progressives talk about like taxing billionaires and it doesn't seem like they care as much about the social They just want to like punish people for being billionaires. I think that there are I think that if people cared I think that there are a consistent set of guidelines that you could develop that I'm pretty sure Streamers and youtubers would be on board with firstly. I do think on general I do think youtubers do like reactions because it does feel good to get your content in front of a whole new audience Even if you're not generally getting those views either one of two things happens You're one you're a really small youtuber in which case it's almost certainly gonna help or two You're a larger youtuber and you'd rather be in front of a new audience Then just get like more money for a video right like if I upload a video and it gets like a 200,000 views but it could have been a million views But instead somebody like Lex Friedman or Joe Rogan reacts to it and they cannibalize all the views I don't care. I'd rather have my video in front of their audience. I don't need the money on that video I'm fine, right? I don't need the money for that video I'd rather have the reaction in front of a different audience But if you're really small content great, it's probably anyway, I feel like there were like I think there were three things I said earlier is one If somebody put out like a list of standards like don't React to videos within a week of them being uploaded. I think that's fair even one or two weeks I think that's totally fair a second thing would be like Requirements to link back to the person's either YouTube channel original video or patreon especially I think that's nice to like direct people back. They want to give money or whatever They appreciate it. So one two and then the third one It would be nice if there was some sort of like big word doc for like people to look up YouTube people And if like hey, if you want to react to my video, that's fine Just throw me 20 bucks or something like I think those are three things where it lets the reactors keep making money doing their shit The audiences are happy and the people having their reactions are having them in like the best way possible That would be like a positive path forward that like makes everybody happy But right now it seems like people just really ask Matt about streamers So the funny thing about this about that is I would almost be annoyed with the rule that I have to wait a week before I can Respond to a video especially if it's like regarding something I consider like false information Which I know sounds absurd when I cover mostly media, but it can get pretty testy over in that side of YouTube So like you know as I feel like if I responded to something a day after it came out And then I had all the views on it and they were like, hey, what the fuck you supposed to give me a week I'd be like, I don't care your video was shit Like it was it was actually spreading misinformation like I don't care to give you a week so that you can get views from it But then you just you could just like respond to the video without actually like showing the video, right? Possible, but I assume you're gonna be uploading it with the the concept that this is a video getting responded to and people might end up Choosing that instead and feel like I don't need to see the original, you know Maybe what is the time for this? I'm so okay So I can understand there being some drawbacks But I mean like there are ways we're like you would just have to try to make it so that your content is like highly Transformative at that point, you know, um well just to clarify I assume when I was talking about extremes, right? I went one direction I want to go with the other which is that someone just reuploads your video I can't remember what you were saying whether or not you take issue with that If somebody were to just straight reupload my video mmm a different channel. I think I would I would lean towards not liking it I'm not sure how much I would care, but I probably lean towards not liking it I mean that'd be like a 55 45 thing Okay, and then I assume would these things change it if they reuploaded and it made a shit ton of money had a shit ton of views much more than yours Hmm I I think that once you hit a certain like income level for streaming or YouTube I think the only thing you start to care about is exposure. I don't think Like if I if I miss out on like $2,000 from a video But the cost of that is it gets in front of like a million viewers that wouldn't have ordinarily watch it Like I lose the money on that video every single time. It's an interesting idea I assume you mean that even if that channel was called like blumpy and it's run by some guy in his basement Who's just trying to get videos on that he doesn't want to have to work for he uploads them? People would still be enjoying you and your coverage and therefore your notoriety would be going I don't think I would like that as much So sorry, I'm sorry. I just okay. I got your stream. I can see what you're doing. It's okay We just we watch force and we all started with him Psychologic Okay, sorry Sorry The there was a legitimate argument I remember Pokemon fought with a guy that did this a long time ago And I guess we just don't talk about these channels anymore because people are really fixated on the streamers But there used to be these channels where all they would do is like just re-upload either Compilations or highlights from other people's content and oftentimes they wouldn't link back to like anything I think I could understand people being irritated about those channels And I don't know because like even my clips would show up sometimes and but like they don't link back to anything people oftentimes Don't even know what it is those people Sometimes the people that view that content have no engagement with other stuff like for instance Let's say Lex Friedman or Joe Rogan uploads a video of mine with no commentary for an hour I'm probably okay with that But if there's a channel called like funny politics videos or something and they just like upload a whole bunch of random shit And they throw a video of mine on I'm like, I don't think I'm getting any value out of this whatsoever You know, right so it is determined then on what you get out of the the situation Maybe yeah They like they're like there there exists like I think that the I think if yeah Actually, I think I could probably come down channels that exist that don't even have like a person there It's not even like a person It's just a channel that exists to like rip content from like other streams or YouTube videos and just throw them up And like compilations or whatever. I think those channels are probably harmful to everybody. Yeah, so you know the Sort of defining the ethics through its consequences versus the act in and of itself I would still take issue with that guy Let's say he was a friend of mine the guy in the basement and he says like dude I've been making like thousands off of all and I just be like You know the scenario he's making zero. He's like, I can't believe this isn't working I'm loading destiny has been called all these different people and I just and it's not getting any traction I'd be like dude when you make something then it'd be like I can't and they're way better I would be like this is I can't help but be critical of it in the same way that I feel like We're all kind of critical of like any content that does lack What we perceive to be like hard work or talent because I think you we're almost implying like you want to figure out what it is That's annoying people when it's amazing that they complain about this and yet you can fucking just stream a game to talk about anything and You know like vlogging or lots of YouTube channels been hyper successful off that and like do you take issue with them? They're relatively low effort. It's like well I think yeah, the big issue with streaming and this has always been the thing about streaming is Streaming as a content medium is some of the lowest prepared effort to highest financial gain of any Content that's ever exist on the internet, right? Yeah somebody can spend six months to produce a three-hour video and a streamer can spend six months doing ten hours of content a day And they'll get compensated way more for it. Although to be fair. This is the This is the this is the way of all content. Unfortunately, right? Like people that take the time to produce higher quality kind of like oh my god If you're an animator or something like that type of content is gonna take so long and it's harder to make money off of the Effort put in versus like short form content, you know Well, it's interesting because I tried to listen to a lot of what you've been talking about today before we had a chat You said like, you know There's a bit of a divide between streamers and youtubers that youtubers might be mistaken in thinking like streaming It's just the lazy people and it's absolutely not the case necessarily and vice versa that YouTube is just because they don't take They don't upload anything but once a year that they're it's like What do they do work for a week and then put it up and then do nothing for the yeah Like yeah, I would fight against I like I love shitting on streamers guys. I hate streamers I hate streamers because they're all horrible people. Okay, so I do like to show the streamers But I don't want youtubers to shut up streamers. Okay, because it's not like these guys are not well I mean like hard-working. Okay, like yeah, I feel uniquely Like I release I'm almost at the point now I'm releasing one per year at about six hours long the next one's coming out next month But I also run a weekly stream where we react to videos. That's like a whole thing all movies or TV or whatever else and We've we've gotten I think four major episodes I was hoping to get you on one of them to talk about reacting and we we went after our relevant Denim's Hassan twice Just full of I went to their streams and I looked through everything that they do and then showed people what they do And then we talked about it ethically. It's it's complicated. I don't deny that but you know, that's why I wanted to start easy with the The Hassan one that we went after was I don't know if you know that when this happened It was a couple years ago, but it was he's watching Jay's video Jay XC and he got up and walked away And most of the video plays when Hassan's not even on screen What a god now like I assume we're on the same team and we say like that's Can we call that he should he's ought not to do that? Yeah, so I guess the question is is why not like whatever you at the beginning of this No, I'm not saying he should everybody's gonna interpret is like oh he should be able to but I'm curious like What is the reason why we don't like that? Is it because we perceive them as being lazy? Is it because of there's some harm to the creator that's different there? Is it yeah, I'm curious what is the what is the first principles attack against that sort of react? Like why do we not like that particular style of reaction? Because I I'm inclined to believe it's actually a big mix of both and that's what's making this so complicated Is that people need to figure out exactly what they think and mean about all this stuff? I consider myself pretty critical of Content that's hyper successful. That's based on basically zero effort That would be one of the best examples ever that he's making money off of nothing And you might be like well, what's wrong with that? Why can't someone do that? You know in isolation of where he's gotten this content from or anything to do with JXC and it's just It's like an intuition thing You've got not not a great argument going for you just have to think about like what is it? That's frustrated about that versus everyone else having to work so hard I guess yeah, Lenny and I'm curious because I ask you a question on that Because intuitively I would agree with you But then like so people will say like reacting is your effort you're making ton of money off of it Couldn't you argue the same for anybody that just streams video games though? Yes? Like you're literally if I'm just any video games. Yeah, go ahead the the little hope game if you streamed that and said nothing No, no, I mean even any video like let's say you stream League of Legends Isn't that also like your effort like you're just playing games like most people do that for free The reason why I get gun for little hope is because I don't think there's a scenario where you can actually justify it Meanwhile with something like League of Legends if you were a pro player and you're concentrating and you're doing things that are incredible That no one else can do or at least few people can't I think there's a lot of value in that It's arguable a form of transformative content But obviously this is the problem that the law slash understanding of everything hasn't caught up to the internet still with all of this I think that's another problem is everyone else, you know You're talking about how like streamers don't react to this the way that their fans will often do I think a lot of streamers don't know that this is a problem in Jay's video about this He wanted to very fairly ask all of his youtuber friends Do they have a problem with the idea that someone fully uploaded their video reacting to it with zero reactions? It was just a video half of them said yeah, that's fucked up the other half said no, it's fine Yeah, I saw that and to be all represent that in the best faith. I don't think it was half I think it was ten and five wasn't it ten and five? I think ten of them said they didn't want it and five of them said they did it was The only thing I took away from it was the fact that we're seriously not at a point of agreement Yeah, yeah, but I thought that was interesting Yeah, because that was him talking to his friends and he's selecting for whatever so like even on the guy That was trying to make a point it seemed like there were a lot of people to ask was like I don't really care that much as long as they credit me Yeah I think what people will intuitively take from it is well surely it promotes me even if I don't get paid for that It could only help surely And you know if we then went into the stats like I know dark viper does with Trying to prove like definitively that either views it It's it's I think it's almost like proving a negative is impossible to prove an alternate future sometimes like that video would have done better Trust me bro, and it's like I don't know that it would have but I guess I can buy that it would have Which is why I think that the more effective argument is the there's like to aim for the The absolute lack of any kind of respectable input on on their end and yet they gain So insanely large amounts of it at the expense of sometimes Provable elements, but they're still pretty tenuous so it gets very common like the concept of I don't want them gone I don't think I want to ban anybody for it I want to heavily discourage and arguably shame it so like you know react content Well, I do react content, right? So like it's I'm trying to think of an example of a time where you've covered plenty of videos that I Would never have watched you covering them does not mean that I was gonna watch them if you didn't Because I'm actually there for your input, but there are videos you've covered where I share the sentiment in some of the comments Where it's just like what was the point of that? I was just watching their video, and I didn't even like their video. I want to hear what you have to say It's just like an ironic problem because it's it's not stolen views at that point It's just views that would have Become existing as a result of expecting something else you were talking earlier about the contra points when is that that's taken down now Yeah Cuz every now and then I'll be doing nothing on stream We just have a video game and I was kind of like watching and I'm much to say about it But for some reason my YouTube editor wanted to fuck me hard that we decided to throw that one That seems really interested to be the fact that you're react You seem to react quite quite hard to the cause of it being there right now Is that beyond optics or is it just because you knew people might use it against you? Well one it was because it's just not like why would I upload somebody else's video to my channel? That's so that's kind of where I'm at with all of it It's like if I had a friend who was doing I'd be like fucking and you know I've heard every argument right Hassan said in response to us that like because he found out that you have a code and fucking I think he confused us with every frame a painting which was hilarious because everyone is Jack got really upset about it But he um he looked at the argument of like when he goes to make food and eat it He shouldn't be playing a video and he interpreted that as he's not allowed to leave then He's like what do you want me to do die and it was like Jesus Christ I did not watch a thing. Yeah, well, there's so many options Why don't you just play stuff from your older streams temporarily funny moments or whatever you've done the obvious Which is a BRB screen, but like you can play stuff from your own shit You don't have to play someone else's video And then of course because like as someone else I find really interesting about this because I'm with you on the This is so messed up and complicated You know like the permission argument basically like if someone gave permission then why the fuck are you mad? They've already said they're okay with it. I assume you'd agree There are times on earth where two people are consenting to an act that you actually consider immoral um, oh That's like the yeah, but this isn't that doesn't why you're asking it's kind of the question Like can you sell yourself into slavery? Is that like an ethical trade? I'm sure if we can go with something simpler and chiller instead of slavery something like a guy is doing a contracting job And it's an old lady who's just like I need I need a toilet fixed and he says yeah That's gonna be five thousand dollars when let's say the job and cost five hundred and she's like oh geez Okay. Yeah, sure. And you just be like you be like you can do that, but that seems It seems a bit fucked up like it's like will she agreed you like yeah I know like I yeah, they're gonna definitely be things that are unethical Why is this not going to this sector over here, but I feel like we're pretty far away from that for react content I don't think we're in like any super ultra exploitative territory where people are like have an inability to consent because this content Also hyper in an equal way that we can't necessarily prove what video views have been taken away We can't prove the other at the opposite, right? And so I think a lot of creators probably like lemano because you actually brought up the a lot of youtubers can't even survive being on streams Which is true. Um, I imagine a lot of them I don't mean to be rude But a lot of them can't deal with a lot of social scenarios and the idea that they're gonna take any kind of public action against someone Is just like nah, uh, I'm doing okay. Lemano is doing okay So it's internet historian plenty of these channels are doing fucking amazingly whether or not Asmongold or destiny react to them. And so it's just like I don't think I'm gonna get anywhere near DMCAing them publicly. That's probably a very yeah, I guess but it was such a huge problem for so many youtubers It seems like it would be trivial for It's interesting like I'm not sure it is a huge problem of loads of youtubers It's the nothing gets done ever since I feel like the first time this really blew up was jinx. I assume you remember that as well I don't I know I really reference it but can you catch me up like what happened with that? It's just a youtube channel that started going really really really popular And all he did was he would just take a video from someone else sit in the corner and go Every once in a while and that was it He did all of the asdf animations and like he was just like that's funny People like holy fuck and he'd get like, you know a million views. He was getting to a million subscribers And the funny thing about that is like, uh, you know those asdf videos are still doing brilliantly well But I seriously think it's an intuitive thing everyone was just like that seems fucked up That guy over there is doing as well as that guy over there, but he's just using that guy over there That's not right But like arguing it is difficult. I would never deny that but I'm mainly more concerned about the extreme sides if you turn a 20 minute video into a 40 minute one I think i'm okay with that. I think that's considered transformative might be like that's fine You make new stuff interesting that we talked about before is back to that first principle It's like why do we or don't we like react content because I was my I don't I don't think you were here when I was me at the point but the My point was that the a very very very transformative content might actually be detrimental More detrimental to the original than not right if somebody watches me do a two hour response video to a 30 minute Ben Shapiro video They're never watching that 30 minute Ben Shapiro video, right? Why would they they've already seen my whole response to it? I assume we're in a position where it's like trying to define the difference between killing a murder Which is straightforward This is like you can do it as long as you're transforming if you're not then you can't like that is probably Yeah, but then that's my only question is why are we okay with the transporter content? Because that it makes it feel like if we're okay with the transporter content Then we're we don't actually care about harm to the original creator That's what it feels like, you know I think that that's something most people would agree with anyway in terms of like There's gonna be harm done to creators who are awful when you cover their anything Even you don't have to cover their videos you can do harm to creators But it's the harm in and of itself is not a principled issue It's gonna be dependent on the context But in this case people would say it's undo harm Maybe But you know the counter of course is that this is the opposite of that isn't it is undo or not undo but do Praise of that channel and possibly engagement And I know that I'm this is pretty much my position and I assume it might be yours But like Jay's video's conclusion is just credit the person you're responding to and try and please add to it It's very simple requirements, you know Because from what I've seen of the worst like it is it just feels fucking wrong And I feel like the world would be just fine if you use because you were saying earlier about the the internet historian Mining or whatever it was the the whole I'm just gonna say the big whole caves that that video That what the fuck are you gonna say about it? And I am genuinely interested in your answer of just if you feel like you're probably not gonna say anything about it Why not watch that in your own time instead of something that you would have something to say about? Yeah, I mean it just depends on how that was only a response to some people because some people will say Like I wish that my streamer would watch some things, but I wish they'd react more to other things But like depending on the content that streamer is going to watch like for some things I wouldn't expect the streamer to have any reaction, especially for like Documentary related things like I don't expect like nobody's going to have much of a response to the JFK video Unless you're like a JFK Conspiracy theorist like extra right. I wouldn't expect anybody to have So I find that one interesting too. So if you did have something to say about it Um, then I mean if I can come up with something as an example of what you could maybe say about it Would you want to feel like changing the argument or would you just be like, well, yeah, maybe I could say that Um, what I'm referencing is just like maybe the construction of the video how he presents his arguments How he argues in general whether or not we can trust what he's saying based on everything that he's covering The animations he uses the artwork obviously the way he speaks is it is it convincing or is it awkward? Yeah, I mean you can do that, but I feel like at some point it's going to be a meme I because I said before like you pause like wow, I really like the voice work here Well, I I'm with you. I I would hate it because that's the thing right it jinx could just pause once per 10 seconds go Oh, yeah, that's funny. That is real funny. Am I transforming this like it looks around like this is count It's like no, I only want you to do it if you're actually passionate You actually have things to say of course It's just that I would opt that if you realize like five minutes in like fuck I've got nothing to say uh, if you guys are interested in carrying this on it's from lemano It's about this, you know, go ahead. I'm gonna watch it later if one because I got nothing to say I would I would way prefer that as an outcome Sure, I guess um Yeah, it just it comes down to that first principle thing of like why do we or why don't we care about certain types of content? I guess Um, which I still don't know if we've actually like figured that out um So what content you surprise people don't care about What would be like the gaming stuff? um What content am I am I surprised that people don't care about yeah Because like I assume you're you're going with the the direction that principally speaking It sounds like this should have overlap with a bunch of other content that nobody says anything about Oh, I guess oh, no no I for me. I was just thinking the um from that first principles thing I'm just I'm curious what is truly making um Is what truly makes people upset because I see so many different arguments thrown out and so many different things said It feels like people are just mad sometimes at like either streamers are making money Or they just generally don't like streamers because I feel like the the first principle thing is like I don't like that my stream is getting harmed or I just don't like that as copyright infringement Like the arguments are all over the place. I'm just curious like what is the actual like fundamental reason why people are so upset I think most would want to cite theft It's you're you're taking something that someone else created and you're using it to benefit in one way or another And whether or not it's with their permission like I said, we'll go for this example we can say without permission Um Yeah, I guess people that would be an argument then I would I'd make people really mad because the um Then I am curious about the ad block and the pirating takes that everybody seems to be really keen to defend If you wouldn't mind I would love to talk about them. So with piracy, um, are you saying like people should have uh, They shouldn't be pirating shit if they're gonna say that stealing's bad Probably or at the very least I'm sympathetic towards pirating for people that don't have money for things because you're not gonna buy it either way Um, I I do think that ad block has probably been one of the most destructive things That is like radically shaped how the internet functions right now Well, because um, I think people benefit so much from ad block that they don't ever want to like discuss it Yeah, I'm with you on I'm Absolutely with you on these these are going to be things you need to speak to each individual see what their principles are And I doubt they're going to hold up piracy is one of the best ones ever for proving people Actually don't hold to things because ultimately like I've pirated a lot of things even recently For the goal of actually getting access to it. Um, as someone who needs references that go back really far And uh, I couldn't get ellie noire to actually run on my pc. I bought it wouldn't work pirated it did work It's these kinds of scenarios that like piracy is incredibly important. Um, but there are people who are just I'm not gonna disagree there like, um, I pirated I pirated game of thrones Uh, after paying for it on hbo because I couldn't figure out how to like author Yeah, so my phone like yeah, I like this is fucking retarded And so but the people who pirate everything and then say like, oh, I wish they made like more good Uh, you know, whatever show instead of more of the shit And it's like you're not even buying the one that you think is good You're not showing them any support you're pirating the shit out of it It's like you should probably I like to have hard copies of like all of my favorite shows and movies and stuff But um, so that one is going to be wavy depending on who you're talking to and you could probably convince them To be better with that but then you come in between them and their wallet So it starts to get more interesting for them, right? But with ad block So what's um, what's your position on on ad block exactly? Um, I feel like ad block is an incredibly destructive force on the internet that the vast majority of people don't need to engage in at all They just do it for convenience sake. Yes Yeah, and it is it's probably the number one drain on Creator income or almost certainly the number one drain on creator income over any other thing that's ever existed on the internet But I think that people like their ad block for understandable reasons a lot So they try to like mental gymnastics their way out of caring about it But like for instance it because it it's one of the frustrating takes because people never want to think about it But like if you were to pull every single creator on the internet the ones that hate xqc has on more than anything else If you could pull every creator on youtube and say you have the option today to either delete react streamers Or delete ad block. What would you do like it would be ad block in a heartbeat It would just dramatically change everything with how we engage with stuff on the internet Um, I think you're right. Um, do you think that their hypocrisy as individuals would have any weight on this argument as a whole About um, well, it's just the thing that's difficult kind of going back to the beginning the first principles thing is I just I don't I can't tell sometimes what people's arguments actually are That's the only brush training because I'm I'm doing the same thing as you I've got premium or whatever It's called for youtube. Yeah. Yeah, same. Yeah, and I had twitched urban everything too. Yeah, and then I've got like subscriptions like five different fucking, um Uh websites or whatever, um but the um Oh, yeah, but like if somebody's like, oh like I think it's depriving creators of revenue This is like horrible. It's confusing to me if you if that's something that you feel so strongly about Why are you putting so much like weight on to react streamers that probably have a minimal if any impact and not more on things Like ad block which are this is the thing I have uh in the past said like I completely understand people pulling up ad block with really obstructive and obtrusive ads that Get like all over everything But if you feel like you want to support a content creator and you can't Send donations you can't like buy whatever merchandise you just like yeah, I can't do anything I'm not I'm not poor but I do run ad block at each other. It's like that seems weird I feel like you should probably leave that off if you want to help out like that's obviously what would happen um, so yeah, no I get that too. Um It's just like obviously I'm not useful to talk to on that one because I think I'm in line with most of what your positions are for piracy and ad block Which means mostly just comes down to the Reactor stuff, which I feel like we're mostly on the same page. I'm struggling to find much to complain about Um Yeah, probably like I said, I think that there's um, I think that there are like reasonable arguments to be made um for why I think there are reasonable arguments to be made for like how people can engage with react the three things that I gave earlier um, it's just like the level of like vitriol and Hatred that people have on this particular topic makes me feel like there are other Types of arguments that people really want to make but for whatever reason they are Um, and I just think that's very interesting to me, yeah Um, I'd be willing to watch uh Because it sounded like you said you'd seen the j video the jxc one. Did you have any thoughts on it? Well, I haven't watched that one yet. I can though. I can react to that Well, I mean, it would be fucking great if we could react together. Why not do that? Um, I mean, yeah, if you want to how can generate your channel some content. Why not? Oh my goodness. Yeah We can show people how it's done Yeah, do you want to link me the video? Sure. Do you want to do it and watch together or? I it's that's so hard for me to do. Wait, how does that work? That's just it just means that we both have control over when it pauses. That's all Uh, um, if you want to yeah, go for it The only thing I these things usually like lag like a motherfucker for me So it's your thing, but yeah, we can try it if you want. Yeah, well, yeah, give it a shot See what happens Because this is the thing I'm I'd be surprised you took issue with anything in the video But if you do it wouldn't mind talking about it Hold on four sync clip one sec. Yeah Um, okay I suppose people want us to Talk about ad block is not the same thing as stealing content. I agree with that There is a line between them, but I understand the connection desk. He's making though Yeah, I mean ad block is worse than reacting it guys I don't think you guys realize how unbelievably huge perspective blossoms a chat. I don't want to chat about veganism anymore I don't know how vegans had a way to rope the vegan debate into the fucking abortion debate It's like my two most hated topics now. Fuck. I don't want to talk about it. I don't care. Please stop. Oh my god Um, if people see the url to this is that bad will they all be able to pause it? Uh, yes, you need to make sure they can't see the url Okay, hold on. Can you like do the thing where it pulls it out or is it when I'll wait for watch together It's hard because like I do um I do uh, I use two pcs to stream. So this is going to my other pcs. It's hard. Don't worry. I'll figure it out Hold on. I mean it'll still work if it's audio only. Um, I'm a professional streamer. Hold on. Good I gotta get people the visuals if you can all right You should play a video while we're waiting Shut up I'm reacting to some of these dams with my text. Hold on. I'm almost done I mean if you wanted to talk about random shit to keep people around us, all right Why do I think you're why do I always think you're australian? I don't know to be fair It's hard to pinpoint exactly where I'm from, but it would be wales Oh, I was there a while ago written you were how was it? Bro, wait, do you live like in wales proper or yeah? Are you am I you have the tiniest fucking roads We have the tiniest like country Like no no no no no no like there are roads that are narrower than single lane roads in the united states And these are two ways Like it's insane Like I thought I was gonna die I figured it out by like day two or three, but oh my god your the roads are so narrow and and you guys drive so fucking fast I think I'm spoiled not spoiled but like I go to sweden bro and stock home people drive like 45 kilometers an hour at Like tops everywhere. I don't even think the car is even built to go faster now Like they're like they're so slow and then in in bongerland you guys are flying down these narrow itty-bitty fucking roads I'm like holy shit. It's the doxels of roads. You're ready for it. I think I guess Okay, let me grab a thing real quick No, it's muda. Ha ha the stream hater in chat mother fucker. Hold on one sec How did it come to this? terrible also hi muda ha I love seeing uh more and more youtube is getting roped into this insanity Also, I I know that abba wasn't talking shit in chat. I saw him at youtube chat Okay, mr actual like react youtube channel. You better be careful out there. Okay abba Okay boom boom Do we do you have perms for my discord? I don't know Probably I'm in there Hold on Probably uh perms for my discord are a big deal. What do you mean? Probably that's like asking if you have a black car Well, I'm just you know, I'm just so important and cool that I don't really check. I just like assume that I do Okay, hold on one sec Who's the uk person? His name is uk person That's what they ask Oh, also poll cat is the official head Moderator on discord now. Just so you guys all know give him congratulations Also, I thought I had to delete the not safe work memes channel to partner the server But I deleted it and I don't think we needed to so if you were mad that channel got deleted get fucked Okay, um, we're gonna capture this Boom boom Okay, let's see if I can do this without fucking it up. Okay We're here Okay, go for it. Yeah. All right. Let's do it In November of 2020 I posted a 14 minute youtube minute youtube video in which I roast a weird house It was when I first released it one of my worst performing videos for quite a while It seemed like it was just gonna end up being one of those videos that didn't get seen by that many people And that's absolutely fine. You know that is until completely out of the blue It was given a huge amount of extra exposure by an absolute legend I'd never met this person. In fact, I didn't even know they existed before this But the boost that they gave me almost doubled the video's view count in just a few days And for that I would genuinely like to thank the reddit user who posted my video to r slash videos You did me an absolute solid. This kind of thing is genuinely really helpful Anyway, today we're talking about reaction content chances are you probably know plenty of creators who react and respond to the work of other Creators and hell that's something I do plenty for anyone who doesn't know I actually started out as a response youtuber be it in a stream or in a fully edited video I've reacted and responded to a lot of other people's videos in my time Here's a clip from one of those videos so you can see the kind of thing I do dip your balls in Tabasco sauce Now when I cover other people's work like this, there are a few kinds of etiquette that I feel it's important to stick to Do you think there's any valuable sort of point of view from the whole gentleman's Agreement or unofficial rules or anything like that? You find much a stake in it. I guess like we we try to avoid doing dmca's or Chitting on other people's work when they maybe it's very much undue instead of just like shooting randomly Like do you think there's anything to that or would you always want to get the more principal arguments? Um, I mean it's going to depend on what we're talking about But at the end of the day Gentleman's agreements are just an opportunity for people to fucking ruin you if if you're not careful To utilize the tools that you have so like Should people be dmcaing people immediately? No, like that's probably not a good idea But like that's a tool that you have if you truly are suffering Losses at the hands of people, you know stealing your content like I don't think like If this was the case like let's say it was the case that we all knew absolutely the react streamers were severely depriving Or even moderately depriving youtube uploaders of revenue If that was the case and then they reached out and they're like, hey Can you not watch my show on your stream anymore and they still did it? I think dmca is 100 okay there like absolutely okay like that's literally what the tool was built for I mean, but do you because like I've seen I don't know if you hold much Wait in this but like I I don't want to fucking dmca anybody really Um, and you might be like what the fucking why and it's like I don't know I don't want to fucking deal with like all the shit that comes with it Like maybe it's because of I have a lack of familiarity with doing it I've literally never dmcaed somebody while I believe We should go look for um, yeah We should go look for videos and find something for your dmca We can break your chair right now somebody stole your shit online But uh because you're obviously highlighting like the first step being like to ask them publicly and friendly It's like yeah, sure and keep going try and make a thing about it Maybe even make a video about it before dmcaing it or do you say that's just that's unnecessary just go for it Yeah, make a video about it reach out to them I mean like you can dmca people and it gives them like a seven-day Like time period to respond like you can do that as well Um so that it doesn't auto strike them, but they've got seven days to remove it So But like do you buy that that's something that pulls people back from doing it That pulls people back from doing what dmcaing Would it pull people back from dmcaing? Like you were saying like the argument doesn't hold any water this fucking stupid Like you should be doing it anyway Yeah, but it's like do you buy that these people are actually not doing it partly because of that Even I think a lot of people probably just don't know how to do it I think they like they hear dmca and they think that's the thing you do when you hate somebody That's that's what i'm saying though Like there's there's gonna be so many people out there that you're like if they were really mad about this They'd be dmcaing and I'd be like well a lot of them first of all don't want to do it They don't know what repercussions they're going to be if they do it and then they're going to be like They're not like this is our like job this is how we make a living like it's probably worth learning Like sure. No, I agree. I I completely agree, but surely that is a possible explanation as opposed to they're not bothered Um I mean It's such an easy thing to do if this is the only thing preventing you from doing it Then it sounds like you probably don't care that much that would be my assumption of this I don't know if this is your livelihood like shouldn't you be taking every effort? At least to get the easy things out of the way and dmca is a pretty fucking easy thing to do That's like your lowest tier thing Um for getting people to fuck off or something, you know Yeah, and I I agree with the whole like you can just throw one you don't have to throw more than that Sure Oh, you could just threaten it or you could do the one with the seven day strike option So give them time to remove it like Yeah, it's still um something I do think that people potentially people like lamino might uh be like no Fuck it. There's no point in getting involved in it, especially and it could literally be that He doesn't know how as well or never tried and doesn't want to there's all this stuff that's coming into it That tangles everything up as far as I'm concerned, but it would be nice If none of us wait, hold on. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I agree with you. Can we move into my discord? I think abba wants to Sure. Yeah, if you click my discord, you should have access to a room. It's called destiny's room Okay Hold on. Oh Stop Muda says if they get counter sued I think a lot of people are scared fighting richer people in court If you dmca somebody and the other person counter claims you the choice is yours to go to court That doesn't force you into a court battle Unless something has substantially changed by the dmca process in the past week that I haven't heard about If I dmca somebody and they counter claim it like no, I can use it Oh, well, fuck me. The onus is then on me to go to court. I'm not automatically like in court now Do you see the channel? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I can jump in. Oh god. Muda's there. Oh, let's do it I bring him in. All right. I texted Muda. I said get in there. Yeah, bring the rest of them. Go ahead. Okay Go ahead Muda. I'll let you go first since you kicked off this whole debuff. That's your problem I think he's still setting up. I'm coming in right now. I'm on a different computer I'm editing right now. So I'm not like totally in the in the game. But yeah, um We're talking about dmca. That's what I said in the chat Um, I think the thing with the dmca is like from what I understand Based on if you file out a dmca and I've been dmcaed a few times throughout my career Usually the scariest part about like filling out a counter claim is that you are literally engaging Um, you are giving intent that you are going to go into a legal battle and then, you know, both parties can get in So well, that's the reason why the reason why it's an intent is because let's say that I dmca you If I dmca you what I'm basically doing is I'm telling youtube. Hey Moodohar is using my content and I might have to link to it. It's like, look, this is my content He's using it. Okay. So then youtube will send you a notice and they'll say just so you know We've received a takedown request in the sky. How would you like to respond? It's either you're either guilty and now your channel has got a strike or you can say Fuck you. I do have the right to use this content Now if you acquiesce and then you get a strike, then it's over or wait, that's not true You don't actually get a strike. You can actually choose the wait functions. There's a seven day option and there's an immediate function No, no, no, no, no, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait That's if you're the one launching the dmca if you're making the initial claim The person that's making the initial claim can do the seven day option or they can do an immediate strike That is true But I'm just doing for the normal ones the the person that receives the strike you now have the option of saying Okay, I do have the right to use this content or no, I don't and then you'll get a strike If they didn't give you seven days to think about it, right? No, no, no It's uh, so I know the way that you guys are discussing it. So you so basically party a issues a dmca strike to party b Party b files a counterclaim and then it's up to party a after like two weeks to issue or provide like legal paperwork to youtube And then of course it becomes a legal engagement. Yes, but I think that's where the determined is though, right? Like for a smaller creator is looking at a multimillionaire, right? It's like, man Do I really even want to start a fucking legal battle? Considering how the legal system is designed like in the sense that if somebody richer wants to just drown you out They absolutely can and there's not just money. It's like all the time you spend. Sorry. That's yeah That's not true just because you have we're not talking like patent trawling or some high level like corporate like super crazy shit like in I would be amazed If a larger content creator that was clearly in violation of copyright Wanted to poke the hornet's nest is to have somebody take them to court over copyright now It's possible somebody could do that, but I would be shocked if that would happen I don't even believe that most big creators want to spend time doing that kind of legal battle Unless they really felt like they had a strong claim which I don't think xqc does right? So the creators like that if you And because they know they're they're in the wrong in terms of how they're managing their content So I don't even think people are doing the first step But if you go to have you ever done a removal request me No, I've never done a removal request any, okay So I can tell you guys I've done a few of them because sometimes I'll go look at the video And it's like 100 of match meaning my video is literally 100 of their video sometimes even 80 90 And when I see 80 90, I'm like, all right, you're not even talking you're not doing anything You just you have my video playing and you just sit in the background. So I just removed it's super easy It's seamless. It's a few clicks. It's not complicated. So I give out those strikes. I don't give out strikes I just give removal requests and they don't lose their channel So I think that is something that Creator should use if they feel like some people are stealing their content and you can see all this very easily So when people say, oh, I don't want to do that because I'm afraid I just don't buy it at all Well, that's in the copyright section of the creator studio I showed this in like a year ago and I talked about this exact same topic One of the things that I wanted to talk about is when like some of the streamers say just claim the footage People do it all the time and it's like the claiming system is different I wish the claiming system was a little bit more accessible But it's pretty much locked to mcn's and like the biggest production studios at the moment like that, you know If that was the case like a lot of videos could be claimed by actual creators and then like fucking They could get the revenue but even when we're looking at that I really wish youtube had a system where like if like opa for instance If your video was like 80 90 reacted the algorithm could shift towards promoting your content over the reactor again, right? Like Um, if that was an option or I don't know how youtube's back end would do that But this is so crazy because I just noticed that just pearly things reacted to one of my videos a year or two ago And it was 90 of her video. So now I get to remove it I mean the ease of dmca is probably irrelevant compared to what we can talk about now that you two are here Yeah, well, but it is a thing that I would like to point out because like if there's some huge harm being committed here It's so easy to dmca people I kind of imagine why nobody's even thought to explore the option if there's so much harm being suffered here So much injury Well, we kind of wouldn't when you argue that that is what the goal is with getting it louder and louder to let more content creators know that that is normal and easy to do it louder and louder It's like people that aren't even affected, right? I mean people are pissed off by it Yeah, but they're not affected. I don't know that they need to be affected to be pissed off by it Yeah, but it's like saying that like it's like when a whole bunch of white people got together to say We really need to call brown people latina x instead of latino Okay, no, but that's because the argument is regarded. Those people are like legitimately mentally ill When a bunch of white people get together for black rights, that's not bad. That's good Yeah, but I'm saying I'm just saying it feels like the same four but also black people want rights too, right? But it hits different when there are four or five youtubers that always complain about this But it feels like a lot of the larger content creators and even people who's have their stuff reacted to Generally don't seem to care or don't say much about it Like if there was a whole bunch of people coming saying like, yeah, this guy right to my video I hate this or a whole bunch of people like, yeah, I hate it when this happens, blah, blah I think it would hit a lot different But it seems like it's usually people that aren't affected that are saying like this is the worst thing ever And it's so horrible and evil and it's like, huh Well, but like what if you know over time more and more creators are actually buying the argument that yeah This is something that shouldn't be happening. A lot of them probably aren't even aware of how much isn't Contributed sometimes. I don't know that they watch all the reactions They just know that it's happened and it's on a big channel. Therefore it must be good Or maybe but I I think it's more people get involved like I think I definitely It would I would view it a lot differently, right? Like let's say for instance, and I'm not poking any bears here or let me mood a hardy thing But like let's say on day one. Let's say that that uh, the is it let me know? Is that the guy's name? Yeah Let's say that let me know would have tweeted out like I put all this work on this video All these motherfuckers are reacting to it. Fuck these pieces of shit. Um Then it's like, okay, like that would definitely I could see that But when it's a whole bunch of people that aren't even involved I don't know just feels a little bit different sometimes, you know Well, I don't know. I just like the amount of people being Annoyed by it or not. I don't know how relevant that is Was figuring out whether or not it's the right thing to do or should be stopped or should be shamed or should be dmca Do you know? Well, I think it's relevant because the principles are all over the place in terms of like who actually Yeah, you got to cut through the noise. I yeah So when the principal's over the place then I'm looking at like well Who are the injured parties and are they like ultra mad and if they're not then it's like I don't know. I don't care that much about it But I mean it could still be a bad thing like you are correct Like other people can point out like well, hold on this is about thinking these guys aren't complaining about it But it just seems like here the injury is so hard to even see like it's hard to know if things are even negatively affected So the the outrage like when I see the outrage in response to this I'm thinking like holy shit There must be like a new set of machinima contracts or something for people to be this mad But then it's like well some streamers react to some videos in some ways that are kind of unethical I think some people might be experiencing losses and that's why streamers are literally the devil I think it's it just looks like the most Influencer thing possible in that we already have a perception of influencers and content creators that they're lazy And they don't work hard for what they do And now we're watching somebody go to the bathroom while they play another content creators Content and adding nothing of value and getting like making money off of it and entertaining their audience So it's just like it's almost like a parody of itself in a way And that's why Yeah, but you understand like that's a fine argument Like if somebody is irritated by like these guys are doing no effort or making money and blah blah blah That's okay But the problem is this is where the virtues in the mechanism when people are coming like this is destroying small creators Well, no, it's not you just don't like the fact that people are being lazy as fuck and they're making tons of money off it But I think that argument is fair But when people start moving on to all the other arguments like okay Well, now it doesn't really make as much sense anymore and the level of outrage isn't like matching the um The the actual crime I guess is what yeah Sure Yeah, I'm more than happy to say it's been overreacted to but the problem I think is that it just Reacted to get it. That's what I was going for. Um Too too dry probably but they yeah the as the years have gone by nothing gets done about it Uh jack films is one of the better responses to it that I've seen over time and his newest video He basically like laments that apparently things are never going to change because they're only getting worse arguably And more broad his attempt now is to react to the reactions and grade them Which I thought was hilarious. Um, maybe yeah, but I feel like when we say nothing is getting better Nothing is changing I feel like it's because it's just not that much of a problem because there are so many Incredibly easy ways for this to never happen again. Like if 10 or 15 youtubers got together like we're gonna start DMCAing people or Um, like it would be over like it would only take like three DMCA's on like Across like two big twitch channels for people to be like, whoa, we're not reacting anymore Like when the record labels came down and started getting people in trouble for listening to music Bro, nobody on twitch streamed a single fucking copyrighted song for like three weeks because everybody was so scared It's a question then uh the difference there is like the record labels are like multi billion dollar organizations And yet they did the exact same process that's available to a guy making 50 bucks a month on his youtube channel You just file a dmca. I mean legally if a multi billion dollar organization is gonna stamp out a multi million dollar streamer That's like fucking pennies to them, man. That's like No, no, but I mean it doesn't cost you it doesn't cost you any money You just it's free. Yeah, but the day you go into court though That's when it starts costing you fucking arms and legs, you know Yeah, but you only have to go to court if you want to if you're the one filing the dmca the other party can't force you to go to court um, out of curiosity, would you Encourage someone like lamino even if you had no problem with it to dmca I'm not I'm not fully convinced that there's even necessarily a problem Um, I don't think I would ever encourage people to dmca But I would say that like if it's a severe problem if it's as severe as some people are saying it is Well, then yeah, of course if that's right Like if you truly feel like you're being deprived of like 10 20 30 50 percent of your revenue And like and you tell us you're like bro. Stop watching my shit You're just you're stealing my content and he doesn't listen then yeah I would say fucking fire away But like my guess is the vast majority 99 of react streamers or youtubers would probably fuck off if other YouTubers came out like hey just letting you guys know if people are watching my shit I'm probably gonna start dmca because I think it's negatively affecting my channel Like easy and I think people will just stop. I don't think you'd ever have to file like a single dmca people just stop doing it Yeah, as far as I'm concerned It's it always seems like an overreaction to a lot of people to do a dmca So maybe that's the thing we've got to work at is encouraging people that that's an okay process I mean, I could probably ask every person in this in this call right now And I think you would all agree like muda if I sent you a message and I said listen If you ever show a clip of me on your fucking youtube channel again I'm gonna fucking dmca you like you might make a video talking about it But I bet you'd probably be scared of showing anything on your fucking channel. No, I know I would If I would have message you and I was like mood if you show a clip of me ever on your dude channel I'm gonna start fucking dmca you don't ever want my shit on your channel, right? You might talk about it But I don't know if you would you actually risk it like starting to throw clips up It would frighten the fuck out of me. I'd be like, well, fuck it. I'm just not going to show any of this shit If it threatens me with litigation I never talk about that because fucking any litigation I just send that to the lawyer Like legitimately I take that shit so fucking seriously Yeah But like correct me if I'm wrong though There isn't a disagreement then because you seem to be conceiving that it's worth dmca as long as the creators feel so Me well, I mean like that destiny Yeah, I mean, I think that's a it's that's like literally what the tool is built for. Yeah Really feel like you're gonna fucked over. Uh-huh. Yeah, I don't because like I said, I probably I'm not sure if I would I'm not sure what scenario would make me do it There's probably gonna be one but the if lemano did it today with like xqc and the others I wouldn't I wouldn't judge him for that at all. I'd be like, yeah, it makes sense I won't ask a question though Because I think I think we're focused on like the big creators being able to do this But I think a lot of this really kind of started off with what sniper ss wolf and what she does on I think it's very different when it's cross-platform because my understanding is doing a dmc strike for things that are cross-platform It's actually rather difficult. It has been in my experience So I think for a lot of the creators that she's ripping from which are smaller creators Or people who just doing stuff on tiktok and grabbing their videos and then doing compilations herself Like would you say your only restitution or solution for that destiny's dmc? I mean you I don't know why it's difficult. Why do we think it's difficult to dmc people cross-platform? Uh in my experience having tried it hasn't been Effective because like proving that you're the copyright owner is rather difficult Whereas on youtube if it's on your channel then they can cross-reference that with whatever it is that you try But if it's on a different system, they have no way of knowing who it belongs to My so my understanding is if you want to qualify for safe harbor provisions You don't require somebody to prove they're the copyright owner What because this is why you sign the I'm pretty sure it's an affidavit under penalty of perjury I believe because when you're signing the affidavit you're saying I swear Like legally or whatever. I swear. This is my content But I don't think you have to actually go through a formal process to prove it They might ask you to link to it to discourage people from trolling with it But yeah, like because it looked like when I looked at the I think if it's up to you to like risk taking the lawsuit because you're right like party a sends a dmca party b sends a counter claim It's up to party a to sue, right? Yeah, so I think the scary part is it's like, okay Let's say that like fucking you had a really small creator the guy's like fucking living paycheck to paycheck pretty much on the platform So he knows that he's in the right, you know Um goes up against a bigger streamer the bigger streamer files a counter claim now It's really a role of the dice on the smaller guy's part or really anybody's part to like go to court get a lawyer Um immediately like they're already financially down and then they're even further down because of it and like The problem with suing youtubers and why I absolutely Say suing each other is never the answer is because one day it'll just set really bad precedent And then like a lot of companies will start taking advantage of that bigger organizations I mean literally the last 48 hours I don't know if you guys ended up getting one of these But you have the world record like Guinness Book of World Records and your fucking metadata You were getting like hit with copyright strikes and everything so Again when lawsuits get handed out and like precedent gets set I just don't really want bad precedent and honestly youtubers suing youtubers is just like a landmine I guess I just I disagree because it doesn't it doesn't feel like bad precedent Like this feels like if you like court is our legal system is a good thing Dmca is a good thing. We want to be able to protect or copyright. We want to be able to sue people I don't think we should shy away from these tools when they're the most appropriate like Place for restitution, right or like yeah Well, I'm with you on that and I think that maybe the part of the problem here is to encourage people that it is Easy straightforward and that you'd be right to do it in a lot of these scenarios Sure, or at the very least like as a step one like make your will known instead of it being like muda and the dark viper au Um the guy that was adult diapers or whatever instead of it just being like the same like 34 people can link twitter Like if the creators themselves that are being affected would come out like hey, I hate this I don't like this My guess is that this type of react content would stop like overnight people would stop doing it It would be immensely unpopular youtubers and probably other streamers would unite against you Um and like I think even your own awnings really. Yeah, it's probably shitty that you're just like ripping this Just kind of like I I genuinely think that's how it would go I don't think people are saying there'd be a huge backlash from streamers But I mean I think most streamers realize that you're on a free fucking ride when you just put a dude's video on And then you like walk away for like 30 minutes or whatever, you know Oh then I think even with the dmca the intent of like certain streamers who like like for instance like when um When they put on like a movie from like metro golden mire like universal studios and it's like that doesn't get uploaded onto youtube It's like they know that if they get hit with the dmca from a big player It's bad for them But if they get hit by a youtuber or like somebody on their like financial level or below them They know that they can win in the legal system No, I don't I super don't believe that if that was the case. Why didn't they re-upload? They're like, why didn't xqc upload the dark knight to his channel? Wait, wait, wait No, no, no, no. I don't think anybody wants to fuck around with dmcs with anybody I think if you were a small content creator and you rightfully dmca'd xqc, I don't think you'd fight it I think you would eat the strike and just move on Yeah, but he definitely understands that there's got to be a dramatic difference between like the dark knight and Someone's video on youtube Well, there is because those people enforce their copyrights more aggressively But like just imagine that and I'm like I you guys I feel like we all know this right just if you think about the The upsides and downsides as a creator like imagine you do do imagine some smaller content creator Like legitimately dmca's your shit and you're like, you know what fuck this guy Take him a quarter of you let's see if he takes me and then you counterclaim And then you wake up the next morning and this dude's on twitter with 50 000 likes saying Destiny counterclaimed my legitimate content that he stole and uploaded on youtube I only make 600 a month. Can you guys please donate to me? By the way, I'm black and trans like bro your career is over that guy's gonna raise Like 50 billion fucking dollars to bury you and your entire family and your children's children in legal costs I I just don't think any streamer would risk it. It would be over if somebody legitimately is dmcaing you I don't think you're ever counterclaiming you're just gonna eat the strike and move on now if i'm wrong Fuck it dude. Listen, you know what? Listen mutahar. Hello Yeah, if I'm wrong on that, okay If there is a small streamer that legitimately dmca is a large streamer and that streamer counterclaims And it's like an obvious blatant fucking content rip. I will donate $10,000 to their fucking Litigation, okay, I will make that There you go, okay, you got that right here. You've got the fuck react streamers litigation fund 20k deep already. Okay Yeah, I I just I don't think it'll happen But here you go. You take this one to the bank react to it dark viper You can store this in your adult diaper right here. Boom. Okay 20 000. So yeah I think abba was saying something right kind of wrong. Sorry. Go ahead. You know, I just You're on board with going to theft with viper or something. I don't know this. I like both of you guys I'm like, you guys have beef with viper or whatever All I heard is you who wears adult diapers, which I was a really lost by I'll definitely clearly likes talk viper He's very friendly with him Does he actually wear adult diapers? So that's fine. Let me tell you this. What the fuck does that matter? Dark viper, he actually thinks that the matrix reloaded and revolutions were both better than the first matrix That's all you need to know about dark viper. Okay, that's It makes it difficult to treat him as human, but we can I think we can get through this I thought matrix four was peak. Jesus Christ. Oh my god I was so ready to give a contrarian take on that movie I was I watched like after the first 20 or 30 minutes I was like, you know what? I don't think this will be as bad as people said it was And then I think it was like around the time seven or eight neo used that like weird boom move And I was like, this is the dumbest movie I've ever seen in my life I lost hope for giving my contrarian take. It was awful But it was self aware. They fall good Okay, so I'm gonna ask you guys a different question. So what is A point where you feel like a reaction is transformative because I feel like that's fairly I don't think it's completely subjective. I think there's some element of it So I'm curious for you guys. What point do you feel like a reaction or even streamers having that on screen is acceptable? Yeah, probably go with like the legal definitions of fair use are pretty strong for what makes something transformed Like changing the experience is pretty strong Well, I kind of look at the way that you know the h3 golden era almost when he was doing like reaction content I kind of look at that as like almost the peak of it um You know enough for like, uh, I go back to like watching the previous video or like, you know, I actually dig deeper into the content I guess So if you want to watch the original then you feel like it's acceptable Well, that's the issue a transformative thing won't necessarily like there are going to be some transformatives That'll make you never want to watch the original. I think sometimes they can replace them, but it's ethical Like, uh, I mean the replacement in the sense that the video stands on its own Like there's enough. Yeah, like you wouldn't need to see the original because maybe it's a video about something that happened And then you cover it and you give way more information like dwarfing it This is why is it like we need really depends on the kind of content that you're reacting to as well too I was reading in the stanford legal dictionary that uh When it comes to fictional versus non-fictional events, obviously, there's a lot more leeway given and that's why like a lot of news uh reactions and a lot of people who cover the news or discuss politics get away with a lot more because They're in you know, the covering of real events and it's more it's more leeway in terms of news reporting in terms of the fair use angle, so I don't know man. There's a lot of tests. It depends on what kind of content Well, I assume we all concede it's a blurry line where it actually exists. It's complicated It can go one way or the other really easily depending on how much people are saying of what they're saying because you know A lot will go by timecode right like if the original is 20 minutes and yours is 50 Yeah, that seems like it should be I mean when people say like if it's a 20 minute video, but the reaction is 50 minutes I'd argue what is the content like What is the nature of the commentary if it's just like screaming into the fucking void like obviously not but if it's Let's say like an engineer reacts to like an actual engineering like, you know, absolutely Well, and that's a huge industry right now with the shorts and everything else Where someone will just reupload a short and then put their face They're pointing to the thing and being like I think this is interesting and now it's on their channel and they get all the revenue for it And it's insane Is there any revenue? I'm not gonna ask about that But I was gonna say if I see a number on youtube and I see like 70 or 80 percent of the original content Is like the length of the video Like that always makes me kind of jump out a little bit. I'm like, how did you watch 80 then How is 80 percent of your video someone else's video? I think that's when it gets a little bit weird But that's just a number and obviously I've seen it happen. Hasada's one of the worst for it while also being one of the best He's like one of the better reactions at his best. I don't appreciate the commentary Obviously not in terms of insight But the breaking up of the video when he has to say in response to things can be really good But then sometimes you'll just play it in full and doesn't give a shit I know that denims when I watched one of her streams She was like getting ready having food and getting dressed and she just played Kitchen nightmares or whatever Those dudes playing and it's like, yeah, I got to get my audience in I got to get them ready and this is like, what the fuck I think when it's used as like a babysitting tool Absolutely. Yes, actually being critique. That's the real like difference. I think that's what kind of burns people, you know Um, like I'd never like destiny is you react to a lot of stuff But I've seen reactions and like everything is always related to political stuff or Well, that's what you see uploaded in my youtube channel, but my stream sometimes it's literally just babysitting time Yeah I've maintained it I'm like if you stream say if you like if you're watching something on a live stream, right? I don't think that's inherently bad I I defend but like when you're uploading it to the same platform and competing it with the same metadata That's when it gets a little bit hazy. I'd still probably push against streaming that But yeah, I mean everyone has a different like tolerance to it. Yeah I was gonna ask you Um, what's this explain the ad block argument to me because you're just like ad block is way worse So I why aren't people concerned about that? Is that what you're saying? Oh, yeah, just it's surprising to me How many people are so keen to defend ad block when I feel like ad block is the number one source of like Depriving creators of revenue of like anything that exists on the internet But people seem to not care about ad block at all, which I think it's kind of funny I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm weird about this But I don't expect like every viewer to provide me with financials or you know Some kind of financial return when they're using this stuff. It's like when I see youtube premium revenue I don't get excited because I know it's less than ad ad revenue So I always feel like people either by watching or those who can afford to watch ads or don't mind watching ads They contribute in a way. It's like, you know, some people don't pay for the patreon Like I'm perfectly fine with people enjoying the experience Having to participate at every level or every tier financially For me that feels like very distinctly different than someone else ripping my content and then re-uploading it for their own financial game Like is one worse for me financially sure But I don't think I have the expectation that everyone who watches my videos are going to be contributing to me financially I guess that's just really weird for me because then you'd like the entire position is that you're not actually ever upset that You're losing something. You're just mad that somebody else is gaining something with your work Is that not valid though I don't know is it Yeah, I feel like we we get mad at a lot of different things that people do in life that don't necessarily affect us What so ever just because we see it as being a negative Well, I don't think I have necessarily got an issue with that But yeah, I I'm with you on we need to be clear on what thing we're tackling at any one time Yeah, I'm not thinking about the harm like if I'm being very honest with you when I go to my copyright section I look at a lot of people re-uploading myself. I think like the vast majority of them are not making a substantial amount of money off of it Um, I to me I feel like someone's stealing the work that I did for their own gain And that's what pisses me off even if it's a small amount But it's not about the my it's not it's not the financial loss that I'm pissed about that's not that Interesting I guess I like I wouldn't like if I was losing money because something somebody was doing that would probably bother me But if people are just making money off what I'm doing, but I'm not losing anything for it I don't know why I would care Sorry repeat that If somebody is if somebody's gaining off of my stuff, but I'm not losing anything off of it I don't know why I would care No, they are the the gaining portion of it does matter a bit, but it's not a lot It's nice. It's not the most for me. It's the fact that They're really stealing even if I am not negatively impacted for me It's like a principal thing as well that really bothers me, but Yeah, I think as a content creator you're a socialist. You're okay with sharing the fucking I mean, yeah, there's a way that people could use my content and then everybody becomes millionaires Like I guess I wouldn't be too mad about that but to me If you do stuff for your own content, you make an effort or you put in thoughts and then it's like your ideas How would you feel everybody was just ripping off your takes without ever crediting you or ever doing that? I know a lot of people do Well, I know I know some people do but if it happened enough or we were even getting a lot of notoriety or fame off It would not bother you to some degree. Yeah, it does bother me I got hella triggered when people do that on shows and they don't fucking credit me Yeah, I see you I see you complaining here in your chat all the time. Oh my god Here comes a destiny take right for real Although I will say generally um Well, actually no, hold on. I'll fight against that. I'll qualify that a little bit Generally that only triggers me when the person ripping my view also shit Some mean like calls me a fascist or something that's usually when it triggers me or If somebody does a really poor job at representing a view So like if I feel strongly about a particular argument and then somebody else represents that argument But they do a really bad job and now that argument looks worse. Those are actually the only two times it triggers me I think yeah Okay All right, well then I'll engage a lot of plagiarism in that case without any issues Well, well Anybody else anything else? No, this is your time to shine guys No Honestly, don't think it's that big of a deal I think that's kind of the thing that like Probably is the most annoying is that like the The level of emotional outrage. I feel like doesn't match What's happening? Like I think it's fair to get annoyed at influencer culture or Streamers acting in title or being lazy making too much money. I think those are all like fair things to get upset about But the level of outrage seems like a massive crime has been committed and I don't understand how people could be so fucking mad I still think this is a cultural thing a lot of yesterday was just me getting mad at the fucking responses I was getting from xkc. I was like there's just no yeah, which makes sense But argue like this has been going on for like years and years and years people Like it comes up every once in a while and everyone's like oh This is still happening and like I think they get angrier every time I probably think that's very much to do with that I just think the chest beating behavior that I had to witness yesterday kind of fucking like did that rub me off a little No, that's not what it is. Be honest muda. You think xkc kind of fucking lazy and you know what? He's not entirely deserving of his problem. Be honest. Well, that's what I'm saying I'm like I definitely get that vibe as well too But it's like the chest beating when you think you're right and like you're trying to like They little bro to me and all this fucking stupid shit and like all these reddit insults. Yeah, it's gonna piss me off a little bit I'm gonna get personally invested. Yeah Damn Reddit insults He's I mean it is like dude reddit is down the hall to the left That's the entire fucking response that I was getting I was like the guy was not trying to understand what I was saying And that's just It's like that I think that also like I don't know how but that pisses you off too, right? Like I think that pisses everyone in this room off if we get shit like that Wait, what did he say? I have no idea Well, he was just he was like trying to fucking come at me. He's like, hey little bro. Hey, listen soy boy Listen, you don't understand what's going on. You made this out of jealousy this post I'm like, I'm actually talking about impression cannibalization, which is a real thing on this platform I literally was like giving my point out there and the guy was like Bringing it all the way back to like, oh, you know, it's all about money. You're making a money argument I'm like, dude, I didn't make a money argument period about the situation. I could give less of a shit Like even in a discussion, I'm like, we're both very well off individuals. It's not really about the money It's about the long-term channel growth and like again the principle of it. All right Hmm. I see I think I might actually agree with excuse me I don't think it's entirely jealousy But I do think a lot of this is just based off the fact that these are big content creators who appear to be lazy And I think people it just rubs them the wrong way I don't think it really has that much of a negative impact on the creators originally That's I really don't think it has a real substantial impact on the creators that are are being quote-unquote leeched off of I think a lot of it's just Excuse me and and sniper SS wolf look lazy and they're making so much fucking money off it Yeah, I agree that take 100 and that's why I said I think that was the first thing sitting here I don't know if I said it to you or um or I might have said to mauler But like if people were just like I think it's fucking wild that a guy can sit front with fucking computer and have 20,000 10,000 people watching And then he cashes out 10,000 dollars for the fucking day watching videos that other people spent like six months making That's understandable that I could totally see people getting ticked off at that That's fine But the virtue signaling comes in when they're like you're destroying small creators like not probably not probably not happening Okay, but if you're mad because people are being lazy and they get paid way too much for entertainment related jobs I get that I think that's fair But yeah, people hype it out into so much more. So do you consider it unethical or not then? Do I consider it unethical? Um Yeah Is it unethical? It's an easy yes for me Yeah, it is. Which is not a big deal, but it's unethical But I'm like I would I'm like I think I'm like 50 50 totally on the fence about I think I gotta be pushed over one way or another Here is what I will say if creators make their will known that they don't like and if people do it It's 100% unethical Um, but if there's no harm being done into anybody and the people don't even care or even know about it Is it unethical at that point? Do you think xqc and hasan give a shit a single shit whether or not it's harmful? Um, do they give a shit the answer is probably not well I don't think they can afford it. I don't think they I don't think they give a shit But I think if if creators were complaining about it, I think they'd stop just for the optics Exactly. So it's really like from their pov They're just gonna gain for as long as they can gain like as soon as they can't they'll be like, oh, fuck it Whatever they never cared about any of these people Probably true, but that's true of all of us on the internet if we're being honest, right? That's not true of me Fuck that shit No, like what I think people played dangerous games with copyright Especially on the internet since the inception of the internet Um, yeah, I I want to give muda a chance to defend himself You really feel like there's a real financial implication for some of this reaction stuff Because I feel like we all been arguing this and we kind of maybe disagree on you that point But I want to hear you make that case I honestly believe like so when I talk about long-term channel growth Obviously, yes part of that comes with money and there may be a financial loss It's implicated from somebody that gets consistently reacted to and there's no organic growth headed to their end Um, when I think about like impressions, right like a finite group impressions every time I go into the home page Or the recommended tab In the last I the 60 days youtube has provided me a lot of channels that uh have had like 1000 views 2000 views, right? And I've seen channels go from like 200 subscribers like 20 30 000 subscribers with really good attrition rates because The kind of subscribers that they're building are organically pushed to them by youtube because they're capable of like analyzing You know, what kind of content works for me, you know Like I watch a lot of gaming retrospective stuff and a lot of watch a lot of gaming like these two hour long gaming videos um and uh I watched like popular creators first But now I'm watching a lot of these smaller creators who are like a thousand two thousand subs and I think when youtube does that It's really cool. I think it's a shame when that recommended slot that could have promoted a thousand, you know view channel Gets replaced by a reactor. I think that's a net harm Um, but yeah, when I'm talking about why wait, wait, wait, why? Because it's because it's usually the same video I've already watched with like somebody that's barely putting any effort into it or like adding any commentary on top of that, right? So this is something there's a place this is something I'd be really curious about and I'm agnostic I'm not going to go either way So because I could see that argument going the exact opposite without having any data to know like What if it was so like for instance, let's say there's a video on a guy's breakdown of a dark souls boss and how that relates to Nazism, okay Maybe somebody watches a hasan reacts to that right and then they watch it The idea that if they didn't see hasan react to it would that video ever actually show up in their recommended feed If they're not usually watching that type of content because that's going to be the first question And then the second question is let's say that type of stuff never would show up in the recommended feed Do you think that that being on hasan's channel might make it more likely that other content from that person Will show up into the recommended feed for instance If I react to a jordan peterson thing and then you click on my channel now jordan peterson's getting recommended to you Just because I reacted to him Yep I've never seen that in terms of cross genre myself But I think when it comes to because you and jordan peterson are in the political space So I think there's the algorithm might benefit the fact that I'm watching one political creator Therefore it might tag another political creator that you're reacting to in it as well I don't know how much that works for cross genre stuff because I haven't seen that myself in terms of Um, you know my personal experience, but I'm sure it happened. Yeah I feel like yeah, I feel like both scenarios are plausible Which is why I think the data is like really important because I could totally see that I could see like me Let's say that I do the worst the most egregious react to some movie streamer That has a really interesting analysis on interstellar and so I watch it and I straight rip it and it goes to my channel Destiny reacts to mallers one hour interstellar analysis, right? Even if it's a straight rip the worst react ever the most blatant coverage So if you click that on my channel now, there's 250,000 people watching that What are the chances then that in their sidebar other maller stuff starts popping up now? And now he's actually benefited for me like doing a horrible react to his content No, I'm not saying that does happen But I'm saying that that seems just as plausible as it happening the other way around or even more plausible because I don't know How often random small videos are going to show up in your feed Absolutely, like I've already conceded on this and I assume you have this word as well We don't know for sure. It's really hard to prove all of this But if it were proven if some wizard told us like absolutely the channels suffer How much of a difference do you think that would actually make to all the people who are doing it right now until people make enough noise? I again to the people themselves. I'm not sure but if they if we knew that they actually suffer it I think that there would be a big movement on it and it would be incredibly popular very fast Even if it benefited the viewers and the streamers. I think a really good example of this is do you remember g2a and kingwin? I do. Yeah, old names. Yeah. I think those key websites. Yeah They might still be going but they fell dramatically out of public favor when stories started coming out about how abusive they were Yeah, that got really popular and that's I remember when I didn't have the money I bought like a fucking key for elder scrolls online through there and it got revoked after like three months It literally got advertised to me. I think by pewdiepie like the website like it was like, oh, shit It was because it was like a sponsor business. I'm like, oh game's a little bit cheaper Okay, that doesn't sound weird at all and I found out they were literally using like credit card Or allegedly using credit card fraud and like a bunch of other fucking shenanigans Cheap games This is almost for coming back to pay by exposure, right? It's good enough and you should be okay with that I heard you say earlier that uh Destiny that if you found out like they're going to cover your video without any commentary on Joe Rogan And it's like do you want to be paid for that or do you want mix? You know just as it is and you're like, I don't fucking need the money that's going to be great It's like but would you do that in reverse if you were covering? You know something without any commentary, uh or rather That offer would you ever give that offer? Would you ever say to somebody? I'm gonna pay you an exposure No, no, no me personally I don't generally do that But I hold myself to a decently high ethical standard when it comes to paying people that I work with Generally, and I think so you think that's like above and beyond ethical I think it's above and beyond though because like what this is what I said before and this is what I this is what I stated earlier The paid and exposure meme paid and exposure is not bad because you can never be paid an exposure Because sometimes being paid in exposure is amazing paid and exposure is bad It's because normally the people that want to pay you an exposure are either hardcore exploiting you or they have no exposure to give you Right, like again, like if Joe Rogan was like destiny like you guys can come on our program But like I'm not even gonna cover your flights, bro Um, and you might have to pay like a 20 dollar fee to park like I'd be like, bro I'll I'll pay for your parking that day. Let me on your show. You know, yeah This could be a difference, uh, I guess between you and I but if I was like the most famous musician all of Forever and I have someone intro for me like a just random with no like engagement at all I like you can play one song and then it's all my stuff and I said like I assume you don't give a shit about being paid You're gonna get big like engagement office because like for me personally like no I'll pay them even if it's literally like 50 quid But like the actual like fair payment for what they're gonna be doing for whatever the situation is I wanted to have that and the exposure. I consider that base level. I don't I wouldn't say that baseline I think that's a good thing to do and I think most people in those industries will do it because we all Hopefully remember how hard it was starting out. Well, yeah, but I know like yeah I feel like it's base level because you are paying them for the job that they're doing whatever exposure There is is whatever there is. That's the something they get to benefit on I don't think we should then reverse engineer and start saying like that exposure is gonna be so good I'm pretty sure I'm mostly sure therefore. I don't have to pay you Yeah, I guess it just I feel like it really depend like it's just hard What do you run that back on right? So like for instance, like I like I've milked a lot of content out of abba and arguably both of you guys Or all three of you I guess technically by being here like should do you think streamers? Or youtubers should pay like appearance fees or guest fees for people that like I feel like we have consented pretty hard Call with this and also I'm recording it for my end anyway The artist opening for the other person would probably say they consented as well at the end of the day I think industry standards are what dictate what should or shouldn't happen in terms of the baseline What you would think as normal or good based off of your wants or what you want ethically Isn't necessarily the case for a lot of situations. I know as a dancer, for example Plenty of people do gigs for free just so they can be on stage and I think it's a good thing No, do I think it's a good industry standard? No, but it is normal and I don't think the people who are doing it are all evil I just think it's bad practice and it's sure Well and to be fair all four of us have the capability of monetizing this on our own channels if we want to it's always there Yeah, but destiny does bring on crazy People who are sick and probably can't monetize it on their own channels and farms them So there he doesn't do that with everyone should he pay those people? Like every time I see corantos and he's like begging for money Should he be paying him more is essentially what I'm asking. Oh my god Caranthos is your employee now. Sorry. I tuned up. What the fuck don't know. Don't worry about that He's been known to make some mistakes. That's okay All right, it stops Yeah Well, listen, I think this was a good chat. Um, yo Moodle hard stop hating on xqc. Leave him alone Okay, let him make his money stop stop being jealous. Okay I know man. I gotta stop being a soy boy, bro And bro All right, guys, you're good talking to you guys. I'm gonna head out be careful. See you dude Cheers All right, destiny anything else Anything else gotcha I think we're I think we're good Me yeah It means up to chat at this point if there's anything else that we're supposed to cover because I feel like we got it Are you um Well, fuck did you want to finish watching that video moller? I am completely up to do that if you want it does cover the whole topic pretty well, I think Sure. Okay. Yeah go for it. Yeah. Okay. Good. These guys are gone. Let's restart it. Let me react Don't take the piss in a reaction video the reactor should still be adding stuff and creating content of their own Otherwise, what's the point of watching their reaction over the original video? The content that the reactor creates should be at least different enough from the original work that they have Created something of their own. For example, take a look at this video. Oh, hold on This is tango reception stories. The video is a myth So here's something that's interesting to tango with. Um, I don't know what the right answer is here Do you know what some of the biggest value react streamers give to the content? That's a little bit hard to know if if you would consider like transformative or not You probably wouldn't but if you had a guess what do you think is one of the biggest reasons why people watch react content? Um, I mean I've got a couple But a more dystopian guess would be that it helps them feel like they're watching the thing with a friend As opposed to alone. Yeah, you're 100 right one of the biggest That's a kind of a that's a sad way of saying it But um, yeah, one of the biggest reasons why react content as well is because people like to watch it with another community It's like watching things with friends. Basically. Um, now So when people like there needs to be a good reason to watch that one over the other one There are a lot of people that will watch videos of mine just because they like to see chat's reaction to it Yeah, um now does that count as transformative or not that came up, I think But yeah, when we covered Danum's I think she brought up that argument that technically chat being there makes it transformative Um, argue like this is just a matter of where a line is drawn. I I totally understand it as an argument But like no, I don't think chat's enough. I'm sorry And it'd be like, well, yeah, well, why it's like, uh, it's hard to say. I guess there doesn't change the video enough Um, it doesn't go from being x to y it goes from being x to like, I don't know an x with a different color Um, something that's interesting is that um, you know, sargon of a cod, right? I do He was straight ripping some lady's Um video and throwing it onto his twitter and then he would like title the tweet or something And I think a judge ruled that as actually being adequately transformative talking about a kilo obviously, right? Was that it? Yeah Well, he was just he was straight ripping with no commentary the video putting on twitter But then he would put a tweet and the judge was like, I think that's transformative As far as I'm aware I'd have to check what he did was let's say it's a one minute video He chopped it up into individual pieces and moved them around to change and to point out flaws in their argument Oh, did he did he actually edit it? I thought they were just straight reps. Okay, that changes it a bit then if that's okay But I'm with you though If someone reuploaded just a minute of you making a really great point on twitter And then got a load of engagement from it and and you said you wanted to take it down and be like I guess you can I probably argue at that point that it might be more useful for you because people Are invested in you at that point not the the person who's uploaded the treat But I don't know that I would take any issue with you actually dmca'ing it huh Okay Matthew Santor is really fell off I love the idea of a minute long 10-up lifting story. It's just like dogs good number nine For sale use baby shoes in their reaction to this weird little 10-up lifting stories video They add their own jokes and commentary Even if you'd already seen the video they were reacting to you'd have plenty to gain from watching their reaction It's a different piece of content now. We go Oh What a story this is what they're doing great story mark So it house is exceptional and the whole cast clearly all understand that reaction content is something that requires Effort to do properly now that particular style is by no means the only way to do reaction content It's a very diverse medium war flail versus katana or shinai in this case I haven't watched it yet. I wanted to give you my first hand Impression reaction here's some reaction content from a scalagrim a youtuber who creates content about swords and other medieval weapons He often reacts to other people's content using it as a springboard from which to add his own Insight opinions and commentary. He actually defended against it and caught the pole With his sword, but because it's a flail. So, you know, no, you don't just whips right over top knocks him in the head This is one of the the main dangers when facing A war flail. This is I imagine take no issue with any of this. So fox is pretty much in favor of anything you've been talking about as well Yeah, I mean he's going through highly transformative react content. Yeah Another example of excellent reaction content in terms of what he's actually doing with the content He has basically nothing in common with soot house What these channels do have in common though is that it's clear you're getting something from watching their content That you wouldn't be getting if you just watched the original work This dude seems to be quite a bit taller than his opponent So he already has the reach advantage The point is that in reacting you need to add something if a reactor hasn't added anything and watching their reaction Is basically just the same experience as watching whatever they're reacting to then essentially They're just reposting something someone else made to their audience Reaping the rewards of someone else's work under the guise of reacting to it Now the wider youtube community already went through all of this a few years ago as a youtube viewer There's a good chance. Oh fucking hell As a youtube viewer, there's a good chance that you remember jinx peaking in popularity around 2015 jinx made a big splash on youtube with his reaction videos With someone else's work always playing in the bottom left hand corner of the screen jinx's whole thing was to just Sit there pretty much entirely vacuously hardly saying anything sometimes soy-facing or laughing As he plays the videos he's reacting to in full With you'd never heard of him because you've been on youtube for fucking ever as well as well as twitch right but No, I haven't I've been on youtube seriously since probably I went in 2018 2019 Oh But like you used it forever right like with everyone else Yeah, but I've always been a streamer so I don't have time to like watch a ton of stuff So I miss out on a lot of like youtube drama. I'll only ever hear it Like yeah, it's huge your ventures in the stream world, you know fair enough But is that like an easy conceit for you that you'd be like this looks like shit like if he's if he's only making random faces Yeah, I can agree that it feels bad. Yeah feels bad Feels bad. Is it morally wrong? Yeah, but it definitely feels bad. I can agree with that Oh, come on. I can't push you to morally bad Even if it's like a at a zero scale, it's like a negative 0.1 um, I think I'm not sure man. I don't know maybe the thing is is that like I feel like this plays into going back to the first principle thing We never actually resolved. Yeah, personally. I'm not a huge. I don't like copyright that much I think most of it is lame I think we've talked about on stream. I feel like when it comes to like even like major motion picture and shit I feel like copyrights are less like a year and then after that. Fuck you a lot of the people do shit with it So I'm not like a huge copyright person um Maybe if I was in a um Maybe if I was in a situation where my shit was getting ripped like hardcore and I felt like I was losing Maybe I'd feel differently, but um Oh, I mean in the situation for movies, right? Like if it was one year, but then there's just a channel on youtube that every time the year ends up They just reposts the next newest movie on there and then they make the most money out of everybody Like it's just that's that's the way that works Doesn't it feel a little like wow that person was I guess they got in first with the Uploading movies when they're they're out and they do nothing. I mean like you got a year to make money off your copyright Then after that, yeah, if I can let people watch it for free. Fuck. Yeah based Well, why are you in favor of it for a year even then? Um probably well because if it wasn't for a year then people could literally you would spend a hundred million dollars making a Movie and then somebody would steal it in one day and then you'd be completely Fuck nobody would invest in like any copyright material anymore So it is about like money because I got I mean, I mean we're gonna get way too into the weeds of politics at this point But like, you know, it's your property like it's to be something that you're allowed to do whatever the fuck you want with sort of thing well Well your property is interesting when you talk about copyright because technically when you're depriving somebody of a copyright You're not really depriving them of a physical property. It's intellectual property Yeah, and the role for our intellectual property are going to be governed by whatever state body exists in Yeah, because when somebody steals intellectual property, they're not depriving you of it like they would a physical property, right? Now they could deprive you from rents or like revenues from it But it's uh, I think it's a little bit more of a complicated topic than just like somebody stealing your toothbrush. You're right Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, I understand the difference. This is um Well, I guess it's kind of pointless to go down this road because we're not in that world I suppose though I find it interesting the idea of uh limiting copyrights to one year At least if it's you know across the boards I it wouldn't be uh too bad to see what that will would look like. I suppose Yeah, I'd just be curious to see what it'd look like or it may be even like five years But I think it'd be curious. Yeah, right now. It's way too long. Well 100 years or whatever is uh I've been inclined to agree with you on that. Yeah, especially when disney like have a stranglehold on so many IPs that as you said earlier could be made better if they were released into More creative and uh better talent to people I suppose Um, so I can buy that it's just the this um It's almost like the word pathetic comes up and then like just goes back to the Sort of like the criticism is just that they're talentless and they shouldn't have success if they're talentless Sure, but I mean I think like playthrough channels that just like playthrough story games are going to be like the same Well, I told you I'm with you on that one actually, uh, which is controversial I think the long blue channel Do you feel like that's morally bad people that just play through like the last of us on the easiest difficulty Or people that just play through like telltale games or so like I said if it's I think the last of us you can Through the mechanics transform that experience like watching you play the last of us while commenting on all the story beats And you actually shooting aiming finding things and reading law. I think that would transform it completely However, if you said nothing I'd be like we're scooting the line now because we're lucky in the world that we have the games for the most part Let you do whatever the hell you want including games soundtracks You can just use you can re upload them make money if you want which you know That's probably wrong if we're going to be buying the whole copyright stuff with everything Um, but with games like yeah, there's a couple of games where I think that if you were to upload them without commentary That yeah, it would be kind of unethical because you're just stealing someone else's thing at that point um But you weren't bored with that or I think I'd be okay with game companies deciding how they want to go forward with it Like I I'm sympathetic towards game companies that are like you can't just re upload like Our game our heavy story-driven game because I'm who's going to play it because there's probably an actual substitution effect there Because I'm not looking to escape hatch this with like yeah, but they're they're way richer and way more powerful So it doesn't really matter. I'd rather appeal to like it still feels wrong though. It's the same kind of wrong Yeah, I mean, I don't yeah, I don't think I would ever appeal to the amount I don't think just because you make a lot of money that that justifies people like doing things too that they wouldn't to poor people, right Like oh this person makes a lot of money so we can steal his content Like I don't think that doesn't feel very satisfying to me like if it's wrong it should be wrong regardless Yeah, that's kind of where I'm trying to aim it as well Let's take a look at his reaction to the official compilation of the full aztiff movie series This compilation is 14 minutes long and contains all eight episodes of aztiff movie that were out back when it was released The aztiff movie series represents a huge amount of work spearheaded by the series creator Tomska seen here with me at vidcon 2020. Here's a compilation I put together of everything Everything that jinx says over the course of his reaction to this compilation. Are you ready? Here we go Really? Wow What Those 33 words that it took him 15 seconds to say 27 percent of which were What all he had to contribute as he let the video play for its full 14 minute duration That's all he has to say besides his outro where he sums up his thoughts on the video It's so funny because it's just like The whole thing is just like What and his intro where he explains he's gonna be watching the aztiff movie episodes one to eight compilation I know a lot of people be requesting this one like millions millions of views and subs I just it does make you wonder at some point like why the fuck people watch this But I guess what we went back to earlier the whole like people want to feel like they're watching it with someone That is enough of a powerful motivated to get this stuff to be a successful industry Back and forth like they like do one through eight like one at a time, but it's kind of hard to find Each and every one of them like it's kind of hard to I'm sorry to quote you What Did you look for the absolute rest of the time? He's just sitting there in silence Sometimes laughing or making a facial expression and for this video where jinx just reboots someone else's work adding nothing He gets five million views. I'm not salty Now what I'm not doing here is I am definitely not asking you to get mad on tom scars behalf I don't actually know him. That's that's not how pictures work But as far as I can tell he has all the means to easily get this video taken down if that's what he wants As a larger youtuber, I have the ability to deal with copyright infringement directly I can either take down people's re-uploads of my videos or I can monetize those videos Basically meaning that you know, it stays up on their channel But I make money from ads and 99.9 of the time I don't take down other people's videos As far as I can tell tom is totally fine with this video existing and that's completely valid of him The thing is though It would also be totally valid of tom scott to turn around to jinx and say what the fuck are you doing Can you not just re-upload my work with your face at the corner, please? It would be absolutely reasonable for any youtuber to have that reaction Enter jack's films. That's not an instruction when jinx rebooted. You know him, right? I don't I don't know anybody so don't worry about who I know. That doesn't mean anything I thought I thought I've some reason I remember you talking to him, but he's another person that would be interested to see if you Uh, you change your mind on anything One of jack's videos. Did we talk to him before? I don't know. I don't remember chat. Do you know? He has old school. He's an old meme. Okay. I don't know. Maybe I might have I'm not sure Jack snapped back with a video satirizing jinx's content jack's video ends with a series of pertinent Snappy and to the point criticisms of what jinx was doing I really like the part where you played my video in its entirety And then didn't really react to it just kind of sat there who added virtually no insight pretty brilliant How you played the entire video in your channel. It's like it's a one-stop shop Why bother going to my channel to watch that video when you can just watch that and your reaction? And obviously jack is well within his rights to react this way because there's really no meaningful difference between what jinx did And someone just downloading and then reposting one of jack's videos Just because some people are okay with this kind of thing doesn't mean you get to go around doing it to everyone Your partner might be really into hard cactus play But before you whip out your favorite account the serious tetragonus you're going to check I chose this picture because it looked a bit like a willy There's a very clear reason that jinx attracted this kind of backlash with his content But channels like soot house didn't attract the same kind of backlash with theirs If a part of your work relies on you uploading other people's content, then you better make sure that's not all you're doing otherwise, you're just Reuploading other people's content Which is why I believe that jinx didn't get away with it at all meanwhile a lot of twitch streamers do because they're not Exclusively uploading people's content and using it. They also do these They also do what I was going to say they also do content where they fully react because they're very passionate and interested in the topic Although they're playing games and that's a whole other thing or they're just talking Do these youtubers are they live reacting? Are they just uploading like a reaction video? They'll record themselves and then chop it up to mainly have their reactions But a lot of the time it just ends up being I mean I say this as if it's still current I don't know if people still do this on youtube It's mostly streamers moving their shit onto youtube now because this died this It wasn't just jinx. There was loads of people doing this But once it got like shamed out of the fucking whole culture like it's gone But now it's coming back sort of and it you keep it always comes back every once in a while and everyone gets riled up Like I said, that's why people are getting probably ridiculously angry now because it's just like oh shit this shit again It's fine to do that if you have permission, but it's not if you don't so let's take this back to the golden rule How as a react content creator do you avoid? Taking the pit everyone in chastity and they still do it. So there they go Let's show us what I know about like the it's it's pervasive and it's really profitable. So of course, it's still there. That makes sense I'm gonna go dumb ass It's just a matter of like What should be done about it? And I think people that's why it's getting louder Uh-huh. Yes. Well, I think that so long as you're clearly trying It's fine. You don't have to knock it out of the park every time So long as there's clearly a respect and understanding there that you are working with someone else's content I think you're good. Hassan piker is one of the most successful streamers. Uh, do you know this guy? No Um, Hassan piker. He's a yeah, youtuber. He was uh, oh Is he this you know? I know he used to be uh, he was the nephew of the young turks guy kind of like he basically trailblazed uh twitch politics. He kind of started it all up and uh He kind of um, he kind of built the left online. Uh, it's pretty awesome. Actually you should I feel like you should know I'm not weird on all of twitch. His streams are on the long side generally hitting the eight hour mark He's wildly successful generating a huge amount of traffic and revenue And when I found out that he'd reacted to the video where I just roast a weird house I got pretty excited. I wasn't really familiar with any of Hassan's work But I have really been enjoying a lot of this modern wave of reaction content I knew that there are still some jinxes around but I also knew that Hassan is an accomplished creator Who almost certainly knows better than to just oh he left. Okay, so it actually turns out that Hassan will just Fairly regularly get up and leave while other people's videos are playing. This isn't what I'm here to prove in this video This is just a fact. This is something he does You could make a compilation of me sitting around not even on camera with a fucking video playing in the background You could when you're live for 13 hours a fucking day Of course, there's gonna be of course. There's gonna be fucking dead space in between But it's not the leaving in and of itself that is the issue The same issue would be present if he was just sat there not saying anything like jinx was The getting up and leaving for extended periods of time just goes to show that he doesn't give a shit about even pretending That he's contributing anything here, but even when he's in the room He's no stranger to just streaming other people's content with his own face in the corner Now any content creator he does this to could be entirely okay with it But I know from personal experience that he definitely doesn't bother to check Now this certainly isn't the only thing he does Hell, it's not even the only kind of reaction content that he does, but it is something that he does Pretty often. So let's talk about it. It's also very much Don't worry. I wouldn't expect that you're gonna have to defend his argument So saan brought some uh real interesting ones like the he doesn't want to die one Yeah, I think xqc. Oh, I saw on twitter was also bringing up some not so great argument So you know what's great is you talk about how you got to defend portions of it And it's so fucking annoying because then you'll get lumped in with like the whole thing and you're like fine Let's do it But the reverse is also happening where the biggest offenders are jumping into the group of people who I don't really have any Issue with at all and he's like yeah us reactors. Yeah, and it's like fuck off sure Not just him who does this this particular style of content Other peoples is a growing trend with plenty of popular creators taking part in it That's why I think this is so important to talk about There are currently huge areas of the internet where precedent is being established and reinforced that it's apparently just Absolutely fine to post other people's content. So long as your face Or chair is in the corner as you do it No, I don't want to be too quick to judge And if the creators that do that all I want to do in this video is talk about what I do and don't think is okay And present my arguments as to why and now because the sun is our primary example Let's take a look at the reaction he served up to some of my content And while we're doing it, let's see how he compares to jinx 8800 blue lick road is a three bedroom house that you can go on a 3d virtual tour of right now If you're interested in purchasing it and it's uh, you know They say you don't really know someone until you've uh held hands while taking a dump This digital property viewing is one of those things where the longer you stare at the image the more bizarre things you notice So today I'm gonna take you on a sightseeing tour of the oddities. This is literally steak HQ. Hold on. I'm gonna be back in one second Of 8800 blue lick road the first three and a half minutes of my video are enjoyed mostly by his son's chair and his chat Although apparently for the duration of this his son was watching the video on his phone So he can see everything that his chair is seeing It's not until we're four minutes in which just to be clear is about a third of the way through the video That hassan decides to add his first piece of commentary. I feel like it's it's gotta be like, uh It's gotta be I don't know Best like someone who I mean, you know like the whole react harder gets me But like do you think that it's important to actually like try and have insight or be entertaining Because you said those people aren't even capable of it, which I totally agree. But like is it on you that you've tried? Yeah, I guess like I said now whether or not any of this is good or bad I'm not sure but I said what I said before is I think it would depend on the type of video You're reacting to like if his son was reacting to a ben Shapiro video and he watched the whole thing He didn't say anything. I'd be like, what are you doing, bro? Um, but if he was watching like that jfk Uh conspiracy documentary like I wouldn't expect them to say anything I don't know what he could even contribute, you know And then your response to that was like then don't watch those types of videos basically I don't buy that. I feel like you'd have loads to contribute And so would he if you actually really wanted to talk about what was happening in the video No, I don't I don't know what I would even say. I don't know much about jfk conspiracies I think there were like two or three comments that I had to make but other than that I have no idea what I can I'm just there to basically learn like chat Or like the internet another good example like that internet historian cave guy Like that we're just like watching like this guy tell a story about a dude that got stuck in a cave I don't know what I could possibly contribute to that Well, I mean not to get too mad at with this But like, you know a big reason people watch either of us break down anything is that we give everything Like we say more than we ever normally would that's kind of like the deal of them watching us So if I'm say watching that video from internet historian I could just start talking about how like do you know like with these these guys who go into these holes like For some reason they'll go through a hole That's basically the size of their body and they're pretty chill about it When that's the kind of thing that I think it's some like staggering number of people who would like Absolutely deathly afraid of ever doing it the fucking people who do this are built different like they're insane And it'll be in pitch black as well This is we're talking about the times where they only have like a lantern A best just something like that per minute is perfectly normal and easy and it's why people are watching you I'm gonna give you a video at some point. I'm gonna challenge you to do. We'll see absolutely I I we pause it on eFap. There's no video. You could show me that I wouldn't have commentary for never mind Yeah, that's right. I did do that if never mind. You probably good Fuck you Who has a disability or something, right? Um, I'm not sure what part of this messy weird house has made Hassan conclude Yes, only a disabled could have caused this That's what he sounds like shut up or what kind of disability he could possibly mean Like I'm not even sure if he means mental or physical with the fuck you talking about What's the disability that makes you go? I need to install a toilet next to my fucking toilet And you get like his Fucking sentence is so much more interesting to even think and talk about the fact He saw all of this and said the person was probably disabled Sure. Yeah Like Like I find this fascinating that like he's contributed basically nothing and yet what he contributed is more interesting than A lot of what anyone could have said about that snappy that he uh snippet that he showed Now I'll give it to Hassan This is a more fully formed thought than anything jinx said while tom scars video was playing It's also a more fully formed thought than me going But he doesn't elaborate either. This is it. This is his commentary If he began to elaborate on what it was he actually meant by that comment He might have started approaching having something meaningful to add to my work He'd also hopefully have made it clear that he didn't actually mean most of the things that it sounded like he could have meant by that I also just really want to know what the fuck he meant But so far my video was played uninterrupted for nearly a third of its length and all Hassan has contributed is going Is probably a disabled person that did this which technically is a sentence He lets the video play for another 45 seconds before eventually adding his second comment I like I I will never understand why there's two bathrooms side by side. I guess that's like the fucking The biggest flex you can do is when you have not one but two fucking Side by side bathrooms, you know what I mean? No, not really So the house I was roasting actually does have two side by side bathrooms But based on the fact that I haven't shown that yet in the video that he's reacting to And the fact that what I did just show is two side by side toilets My guess is that he's just forgotten the word toilet and is saying bathroom instead of toilet and to be honest No, I really don't know what he means by this I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a joke a serious comment or a mix of the two Is he trying to say that a flex is normally something extravagant and unnecessary and this is extravagant and unnecessary I guess we'll go with I think he technically has added something small here I'm just not really sure what it was. He then lets the video play completely uninterrupted for another two minutes before Eventually, he makes a third comment. So it's uh, it's a house that this guy's really mad I mean, you you have to understand like the autistic detail is to prove the point, but I I know what you mean like I'm like this. So I don't it's Oh, I'll go to you. I'll go to you Used to belong to a church, but then The ebay resellers just like made it into their ebay house or something Is that what it is? He'd been receiving a few messages in chat telling him that this house used to be a church And here his contribution to my video is to ask. Hey, is that true? He then adds his fourth comment Which is about the fact that the house is full of loads of boxes Having that many boxes means they could be a streamer to be honest Honestly, I really don't know what he means by this one either. Hey, you can explain you're a streamer What does it mean that you have loads of boxes? Oh Every single streamer house you'll ever go to when you enter the house There's 50 million boxes from amazon because every streamer orders shit And then they just throw the boxes in the main room every streamer house I've been to has got like 50 million amazon boxes of random shit or bags from like food takeout or whatever. Yeah Can I just hire someone to deal with it? I usually do have a maid that comes twice a week, but yeah, all right But this is the first instance where I feel that I'm just missing the reference Like I think it's pretty clear that he's making some kind of joke here. I just don't get it Now I think by this point you probably understand the nature of Hasan's commentary It's pretty much non-existent in total Hasan ended up not even spending two minutes talking as he let my 14 minute video play in full He's very clearly leaning on my video to entertain his audience for him in this situation This is the downtime he has no choice But to take because of his choice to stream for 13 hours a day Jinx definitely did worse in the matter of actually adding something to the content But neither of them have done well at all jinx the very least did shout out the original video And put a link to it in his description. It's even right at the top of his description So you don't have to click show more to see it Good stuff. Link to the original video is in the description if you just want to see some random shit I don't know why I'd want to click it because you've already shown me literally all of it But at least it's there by reposting someone else's work You remove it from its original context a context which is controlled by the creator For example The latest asked of movie compilation ends with a merch store shout out and some links to some more of Tom's car's work. The description is filled with all kinds of links including links to Tom's other social media And people that Tom wants to credit and of course this is a youtube video So there are loads of useful buttons under it by default Including a subscribe button a like button and a link to the creator's channel Not only is there loads of really useful stuff here There's also a dislike button by reposting someone else's work You completely change this context on jinx's reupload most of these links are unavoidably gone Replaced with links that benefit jinx instead I don't think we actually go to talk about that level of damage. I assume you'd consider it pretty minuscule though No, actually, that's a big one I try to believe it or not when I'm watching other people's shit Like I won't skip their ads and I'll try to like if they like I think when I finished the one guy's video I linked his patreon at the end. I usually try to like link channels if I remember to Um, because you should give him some kind of like shout out or something But like people that will watch other people's react like videos and then they like they skip the ad reads in the middle Like bro, at least let the motherfucker do his ad read Damn, you're literally eating all of his content. You might as well let the guy try to get like 10 or 20 people from chat You know, like watch the vpn ad. Yeah, like at the end when they say like what else they've got coming up Do you let them sort of say that stuff? Yeah, I try to play through to the end. Yeah, because otherwise you're literally just like straight rip it like You're ripping like 90 of it and the 10 percent you're chewing off or like the part that they probably get compensated the most for uh, yeah But yeah, like it kind of comes back to the fact that you're doing that because it's probable that you're doing damage But like that's kind of why I'm doing damage. I'm just I'm making a lot of money out of it So I can like help the dude out a little bit like of course I will That's why here or god What I was getting at was more so just like you don't even you're not certain of any damage necessarily Because you don't we don't have the numbers like I said, but you're still willing to do all of that Do you consider that above and beyond or just neutral? um Probably above and beyond but I mean I think everybody should do it I think that's the minimum like everyone should be doing that Sure, I think if there was like an easy way to like compensate people for their work I think most people would do it. I think maybe that's just funny. You say that because hasad desperately cuts off jay Before any promotion of his own videos. It's quite funny. I think it's in this video Why so it is good question the links he can control he makes the first one a link to tomska's original video It would be even better of him to not just repost other people's work without permission But this is the next best thing now again. I'm not asking you to get angry on tomska's behalf I'm not asking you to get angry on my behalf either. I'm doing fine. I am incredibly lucky to be able to work youtube as my job I just don't know if hasan rebooting my work even impacted me negatively and if it did I don't know how severely I just don't have access to that kind of information But what I do know is that if by doing this hasana taken literally every future potential viewer from that video And as a result it was literally never watched again ever. I would still be doing absolutely fine I'm not trying to tell you some kind of sob story here about just how hard my life is If in a shocking twist of character hasan offered to financially compensate me for the video of mine He free booted I wouldn't take his money However, when this kind of thing is done completely without permission and without knowing enough about the original creator You run the risk of rebooting work from a creator who is struggling Or you could end up rebooting a video that represents months or even years of work on behalf of the creator I once spent six months working all day every day on one single youtube video And if hasan had rebooted that I would be very pissed off I would be even more pissed off if I was a creator who genuinely was struggling either financially Or in just getting people to my channel to watch the videos that I make And I would be more pissed off if when a reactor rebooted my content They hadn't even taken the tiniest piece of minimal effort to just acknowledge the original creator in any way Completely taking the work that they just used to entertain their audience for granted I'm not sure if it makes sense this video but I just wanted to mention it is true Someone just mentioned in chat that uh hasan did indeed call jaya nazi as a result of all this How well is he uh, what of course like can't you tell already like I feel like it's just blatant Why would he call him a nazi because he's vaguely associated with efab who are 100 nazis That's obvious like I wouldn't need to prove that one, but um Wait you guys Yeah, the sun fucking despises us the second he found out that we were critical of him. He like flushed us I think it's because someone in chat would have said it. It's that kind of stupid shit where You know, it's just like dismiss get him out of here sort of thing It's uh, so I didn't know you guys had like I don't know you guys had a history like that. Oh, we don't have a history. He just someone in his chat said like efab Was in your chat. Oh, definitely. Yeah. That's what I mean. So jay because efab because sagan okay Well, no thought getting you know given to the fact that it was made by another person Yes, so this is what hasan did for the majority of the time My name and the video's title aren't on screen. This information is only made visible when his He told us the kill stream. He said we were the nazi kill stream Oh, I forgot about that setup requires it to be he doesn't attempt to share any kind of link to any of my work in any way He doesn't attempt to give me any credit or shout me out I don't need him to do literally all of those things But for him to make no attempt to do absolutely any of them went without permission He's freebooting the work of an independent creator. He knows absolutely nothing about yes That is absolutely taking the fucking piss and on top of that Okay, I know I said that he played my video in full But uh, I lied to you a little bit He plays all of the content of the video But then right at the end well, I just take 20 seconds to talk about other stuff I'm working on and where you can find it. Well, he turns it off before I can say any of that stuff Groove industry that's everything I have for you today This has just been a very small project on the side of the work on something much bigger My full critique and breakdown of season 11 and 12. I'm gonna actually call. Yeah, I mean wants to be in um Wow, good job. He did that. This was becoming dangerously close to an interaction that would have benefited both of us instead of just him Even jinx knew to shout out the video. He was This is a crazy amount of just taking ston. I wonder if base just means what an asshole What base it's on you're just jealous and this guy's on his grind set and you're a fucking loser They can't grind as hard as he can he doesn't have time He doesn't have time to watch your fucking shout outs. He's got to go eat somebody else's content, dude What a god I mean, he's still doing it to this day that legend Other people's work for granted no consideration is given to the fact that the work here was done by someone else Again, my point here isn't that I desperately want hasanda shout me out. I don't need that. I don't want that I am fine The point is that this is his attitude when making reaction content and he could end up doing this to anyone The point of this video isn't like a petition to get me the recognition I deserve for my joke about how there are two toilets next to each other The point of this video is to discuss a certain type of reaction content The arguments that get used to justify it and why all of those arguments are bullshit But where am I going to get examples of these arguments? Well, when I found out that hasan had free booted my content similar to jack's films I went live to satirize him Of 8800 bluelik road if we start at the entrance you're greeted by a minions brand doormat that really no home Is complete without sure, but I think we might have found the toilet soda culprit Now if we go across the hall from the man cave, we'll find ourselves in the second bathroom of the property Now that you're in a residential bathroom finally got a laugh out of you. It's uh, it's a house that Jesus Christ A church, but then this is top tier satire. Okay a reseller is just like made it into their ebay house or something Is that what it is? Yeah Do you think dunkey ripped you off as well? Uh, yeah, dunkey covered the uh the same house the thing is a few people have covered it And I wasn't the first one to cover it I was the first person to do it as a youtube video like a fully edited thing as far as I know Um, but like a few twitch streamers went and had a look at it and did live reactions to it And that's how I found out about it So maybe dunkey found out about it the same way that I did maybe he saw my video as well But you know, he maybe he did his own spin on it. He didn't just play my video in full while saying very little Um, or just not being in the room. He made his own video like just to be clear You can react to my content on stream. I encourage that. Please go for it But react do it in a transformative way where it's reasonable for people to assume that the thing they're there for is you And also make it clear where to find the video if people want to check it out and like You know, that's that's that's that's what I do whenever I cover someone else's content on stream Uh, I make it clear where they can go to go and check except today. Fuck that But I normally make it clear where they can go to go and check it out I tell check it out if they liked it unless it's like something that I that I'm criticizing Like very strongly in which case I don't really feel that it's That one's interesting because uh, there's an argument to be made that when you're being heavily critical of a channel If you link them that you're sending people to them to you know, say horrible things or whatever Yeah, so, uh, I don't know the ethics get confused in that one because people would simultaneously condemn you for either not linking their details or linking their details Like guys, this is a really bad website with child porn. Uh, it's a horrible thing Check the link out in the description. Oh my god, you're brigading them Yeah Yeah, now I can understand the conflicting feelings of that. Yeah That that would be any benefit to saying go and check this out because it's like that would feel very artificial I'm like, this is shit. Go check it out. So then I don't say go check it out But I still make it clear where to find it or at least try to oh by the way that donkey video I'm talking about in this clip and this is an empty deck of cards Where are they? Yeah, Hassan has covered that video as well Here they are This is where I play pretty great reaction. That's the next meta, bro Reaction to reactions of shit without saying or doing anything that image of Hassan's chair is an every twitter thread about this topic I love it Literally the entire runtime of that chair is fighting for its life for most popular chair on the internet It's that chair and sneak goes chair which one's gonna win out in the end We'll find out and I have no idea if donkey would be okay with this like I don't fucking know donkey man But apparently they're friends. So hopefully so after I finished my youtube live stream The comments started rolling in which you know is what happens always and at first I got exactly the kind of comments I would expect you can't wait to see Hassan react to this reaction I really enjoy Hassan's stream and was watching during this. I also thoroughly enjoy your content I was pretty disappointed. He didn't shout you out. Hassan isn't reacting What is he even adding to the conversation? He wasn't even around for four minutes Jay has eaten too much cardboard for my liking, you know the normal stuff But after some time had passed eventually a cascade of new comments came in with a somewhat different tone to them Try more. What a baby literally wouldn't even know who you are if it wasn't for Hassan streaming your video But keep drama baiting lol. What a baby What could possibly have happened? Hassan ended up spending like 30 minutes talking about all of this live on twitch And we will be taking a look at what he said But what's way more interesting to me right now is the fact that as a result of this stream Loads of his fans appeared in my comments making arguments as to why they think this kind of reaction content is okay This is why I find Hassan's reaction to my video to be the perfect example to discuss the wider issue It comes ready packaged with countless examples of what people actually think about this kind of thing So without further ado, I'll sit down pour myself a nice refreshing glass of beans And go over some of the arguments that are made in favor of this kind of reaction And also yes, I use youtube in light mode. Feel free to boost my algorithm rating by leaving a comment complaining about it If you like I'll admit that's fucked up. Uh, it's probably the biggest floor in the whole video It's probably blinding people at home right now, but hey, that's what happens. People that freak out over light mode, bro Who the fuck cares? Y'all motherfuckers are weird. Isn't that the meme? They don't actually care. They're just big in front of them Dark mode. I don't know. It's something to get real mad about light mode and dark mode shit I don't know. I think I watch all my shit in light mode. You do? Yeah, who cares? All right, that's I mean I thought more of you but that's okay. Wait onto the arguments I'm not the biggest Hassan fan, but I feel a lot of streamers just watch random videos to react to while they eat So I don't feel like it's that bad that he does this everyone's doing it. So it's okay Um, I feel like this is an argument you've made by the way Um everybody doing something doesn't necessarily make it okay, but it can make it confusing Um, like if everybody's doing something and nobody's complaining that one day some people start to complain It gets weird. This is why in the us if you have a trademark you have to enforce it, right? And otherwise you lose it because it sets like weird precedents. Yeah, but I mean It's obviously that's going to depend on the what we're talking about, right? Yeah. I just um I feel like it's it's you don't want to have to deal with this It's just like fuck it. Everyone's doing it. Whatever. It doesn't seem to be that big of an issue It's like, okay, but do you actually find it an issue or not? Sure, but I mean like theoretically like People the like a right um a movie company could theoretically go after you guys for like doing the every frame of pause, right? um if Like in that scenario, I don't know the because this is the problem with that is the what we do is like Fucking insanely transformative as far as I'm concerned, but If we got hit with Something from like disney then yeah, I'd probably have to back down because I have no idea if I would be able to actually like Fight like in a serious like they were gonna sue me Yeah, but I also that's also like I don't even know who would prevail Like even if you had like unlimited legal funds like is it actually for our use like Yeah, um now this isn't to say that what you're doing is right or what someone is doing is wrong What are just fighting this content? I'm just saying that that's how I can understand the arguments of like If a thing has been allowed for so long and then all of a sudden everybody gets mad about it That could be really confusing is like well This is kind of been like how everybody's been operating for a long time like was it actually bad now There are probably some examples where it's clearly wrong Um, but I think there are other examples where we can get more hazy, but yeah Well, yeah, because uh, they're I assume you're the same with this There's a lot of things that are illegal that I would consider absolutely moral So, you know, someone could be breaking the law in a particular way and I'd be like, I don't care about that That's fine Sure, like smoking weed. Yes, that's one of the best ones. Yeah I think it's bad that everyone's doing this, but also this is literally just an appeal to popularity fallacy. Um Next I watch Hassan pretty frequently and I honestly think it's because he was eating lamal Content quality usually takes a nose dive for that half an hour He's usually good about crediting channels and sharing his thoughts throughout a lot of the time He's leaving or eating because he literally streams for 10 plus hours a day And he's got to do it some time and the chat needs to be entertained Do you get like the underlying thing with a lot of these counters is like they agree? It's bad, but that it's it's happening. Everyone's doing it. It's gotta happen. This is the reason why it's just like Oh, all we really want to get out there is that it's not a good thing That's your eating. Yeah, I agree. Fuck. I just got a weird thing that I've been into Um, no, I understand. Yeah, that's not really good justification. Yeah tamed in the meantime I do agree. It's annoying when he does this Lol these comments. Why don't you guys start a twitch and react your way? This whole leaving eating et cetera is just a constant streaming combined with actually satisfying certain human needs Like peeing and eating also he streams like eight hours a day You can't expect him to clown around energetically for every minute of those eight hours He literally leaves to cook for himself Good for fucking him pause the video then that video was literally randomly linked by someone in chat Taking out of context. You guys make him sound like hitler. You guys are too judgmental He's Man, I remember history class in middle school learning about how people were always critical of hitler's twitch streams You know, that's the main complaint people had at the time about hitler three rules of being a streamer One react harder two don't pause too much to react It disrupts the content three don't cook or eat food You're a content slave and not allowed to leave frame for more than 30 seconds on an eight to 20 But can I pause for a second? Can I just say god damn? I wish I had a psalms fan base I'm gonna be banning you guys next every time you guys fall in line like this because these guys These are the simp masters. Would you want this though? They look like idiots. Yeah, bro These guys carry his torch for it into the world. They're doing work, dude. God damn. These guys are balling out hard I respect it. Hell. Yes I'm not The idea that streamers need to do this because they've got to eat comes up semi regularly Hassan himself has even made similar arguments on multiple occasions and of course there is truth to this It is absolutely reasonable for any streamer whose life of 13 hours a day to have periods of low energy to eat and to piss and Shit everywhere. We all need downtime and to expect someone to not have any as completely unreasonable Therefore I need to just play other people's videos. I have no other choice Don't cook or eat food You are a content slave and not allowed to leave frame for more than 30 seconds on an eight to 12 hour stream 28 What the fuck are you talking about? You muppet. You lemon. You cabbage. You fucking rhombus This person has seen me say it's bad to just stream other people's content in full without sufficient commentary or sufficient credit And is so absorbed into twitch culture that they can't conceive of another way to eat Speaking as someone who streams semi regularly and has been known to stream for longer than 12 hours in one go There are plenty of other ways to take downtime Which isn't something I should have to explain to anyone If you're a streamer and you reach a point in your stream where you feel that for whatever reason You're unable to fully entertain your audience by yourself Here are a few things you can try bring on a guest who can do most of the talking while you're away This highway code applies to england scotland and wales The highway code is essential reading for everyone play something made by a creator Who you know is happy for their content to be used in this way play your own streams or content Just fucking end the stream. Holy shit. And if all of these things and any other alternative I will say you pass on this one. B.R.B screens are beautiful. Good job Yeah, and my orbiters that come in and argue while I'm away. Yeah All seem like they're too much effort then sucks to be you take some pride in your work. Holy shit You don't get to just take something someone else made just tell them not to react to your videos Other streamers like matt orchard and jcs are saying that they love the boost and views they're getting from basan's reacts It's not clear that jay would be opposed to it If you didn't say enough in this video then fair enough not everyone does their best all the time How about just telling him not to do that instead of pulling this cringe shit the sentiment that I have No right to complain because I could just ask Hasan not to do this again in future is another seemingly pretty common one But there are a few problems with it that I would like to get into First and foremost, I have no idea how to contact Hasan. I couldn't find an email address listed for this is probably a bigger mistake Because there are plenty of ways you probably could get his attention, but it should be relevant that he's not gonna respond Uh, yeah, and you probably shouldn't have if there should be a business email if you're in the business Doing this stuff like pretty readily available if people can't find out how to contact it It was probably you can Especially if you're a relatively popular content creator, you'll be able to get a pretty liked tweet like acting or whatever, but I don't know yet Yeah, but it kind of sucks if you have to like if that's your goal. You have to try to like Well, yeah, I mean What do you think about the whole like it's we're clearly in a position of we don't want to ask permission We'd rather ask forgiveness That seems to be that well if you don't think the thing is necessarily wrong Then I mean that's the that's part of the issue, right? Well, but they clearly do right if they're willing to take things down and stop the second anyone complains It seems like they're ready. They're like, I know what your argument's gonna be. So just let me know Um Maybe I don't know I don't have to think about it seems that way for him His dms are closed on every social media of his that I checked And I guess I could have tried atting him on twitter But he has a million twitter followers and gets at it like every couple of minutes. So I mean He might see it and maybe there is a way I could easily contact him But for all the looking I did I couldn't find one So if he really does run on a model of I will just repost your content And if you don't like it you have to reach out to me to tell me to stop which like, yeah He does then there being no way clear from the outside looking in to get in touch with him is kind of a problem with that And that's just problem one might although probably hasn't occurred to you to wonder how I even found out about this in the first place Didn't Hassan send me a message letting me know he'd reacted to my video Or maybe he left a youtube comment telling me he'd done it Or maybe my comment section filled up with his fans or telling me that he'd sent them No, I actually found out because by sheer coincidence on the day that he did it I just randomly out of the blue started to wonder. Oh, how's that old video? I made that one time about that weird house doing and went into my analytics to check And it's only because on a whim I made that decision that I happened to see What I already recognized as the distinct spike of someone live reacting to my video 200 extra views to a full-time youtuber is An entirely negligible amount But a spike of that amount all at the same time and all on a video that's averaging about 50 views an hour Is very clearly a sign of something so I took to twitter to ask if anyone knew what had happened And it's only after all that that someone told me Hassan had reacted to the video So maybe reaching out to Hassan is something that I could have tried on that occasion But stream is operating under the assumption that if a creator doesn't like their work being reposted they could And would you say at this point that dmca is the option? Um, well, he didn't try reaching out to him at all, right? Uh, I don't know if he actually sent any tweets at Hassan, but obviously this got Hassan's attention the video Sure. Also, um, was this something that got uploaded to youtube or was this just on stream? That's a good question. I'm actually sure Yeah, again, like I don't like for nuclear options and pr reasons Like I don't know if dmca first be the like the best thing, but I think if somebody did dmca Hassan I don't think you can complain Right, yeah, like when I watched that jfk video yesterday, like if that dude like had dmca at my stream afterwards like There's not really much I can say it's like, I mean, yeah Don't you think that like that belies the like the the fact that you don't think it's ethical necessarily The fact that you wouldn't fight that at all. You're like, yeah, you got me I mean it it's just so weird around like the copyright stuff like Theoretically if I'm playing video games and they're like songs I'm playing in the background and somebody comes and dmca's me for songs Like that's technically fair as well but um The just where we're at with like online content creation and like technically this guy right now That we're watching could be could live dmca my stream because he feels like it's not transformed enough And legally technically he would be okay to do that and we could fight it out That is true. It's just like yeah, it's just like such a it's such a weird area Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. Um, I guess what you're almost Alluding to is like there's low and morals again crossed over a little bit here Like you know that legally they probably have a position to do that like the lemon of video And so you're just gonna leave it at least have a leg to stand on but the you would consider yourself morally in the clear then um I think so but everything around copyright is so weird It's hard to know like morally like what's in the right or wrong. Like I think all of my feelings here are very um Not ambivalent. Um very Like murky. Well, here's a question. Is that getting uploaded to your youtube channel the lamino coverage? It shouldn't be if it does august is fucking fired. Okay. There you go I don't know that feels like it answers the question better just the fact that you would choose not to reupload it Well, but I think there's like there's also the question before that the other two guys are saying when they were in here of like It cross-platform stuff feels a little bit different too, right? Um, I'm not because they brought that up earlier I wasn't sure how I feel about that one because it's like it pulls both directions I know that my videos get chewed up and put onto tiktok And people like I've got a friend who's like, why aren't you stopping that? And I was like, uh, fuck I don't even know if I can be bothered to go through the hassle of figuring out how tiktok works and finding these Accounts and doing it as opposed to just I'm just going to do my thing But I of course think it's bullshit But if there's like clips of my videos that get millions of views on there and someone's made a whole fucking career out of it It's like what the hell? I don't even know. I have no if I feel like a wizard said, oh that gets you Um, zero engagement on your own channel and of course I'm annoyed, but if they say it gets you loads They're like, I still don't know how I feel about that Um, I was gonna say most people probably wouldn't care because yeah, the viewership Cross over is so unrelated that like if you got 10 billion views on a clip on tiktok It probably didn't even take a single view from youtube because the audiences are just so different So that's why I feel like people would feel differently Like even real quick even among a lot of these rack Or the youtube people I think a lot of the youtube people I don't know how much they care when I've seen them talk about like people live reacting to their content Versus like the uploading to youtube is where people get really scared about the viewership cannibalization Uh, I guess the thing is that I probably would care if I just engaged with it more and actually did Take them down and then I chewed up my own videos and put them on tiktok And then it turns out what if I started making more money on there than I do on youtube? It's like oh shit like It's like I still see all of this is the fact that it's the wild west Still vaguely like we're at the latter terms of that on the internet But that all this stuff is not regulated properly and we don't even know that most of it's happening I think uh short fadotaku said he's he's trying to put his videos on tiktok Even though he can't monetize them yet in prep for when he finally can once they have like a canadian option I guess Sure So like it's it's all so young all of this crazy shit And I still think that that's partly why the audience is all over the place Because we don't know what all of the so to speak thought leaders have to say that's why it's good to get these conversations going Because it's confusing and the internet's rules are very fucking lax when it comes to all of this stuff I'm not a fan of the fact that that's happening to my videos And I wouldn't be on behalf of anyone else And what's sort of funny about the sniper wolf stuff is that she'll be reacting to a video And then jacks films will figure out what the source is and then he finds out the source is actually a group of seven tiktoks That have been put into one A channel that takes them and collects them and makes money off them So then you find these source on that one and it's like oh shit This is one with a hundred views that nobody gives a shit about while sniper walls has obviously gone all the way up to like Several million and like who's gonna stop that who even recognizes that it's happening And again, that's Sort of my argument for why I feel like the noise is is getting more and more crazy. That's probably why Hmm Can just get in touch doesn't work If nine times out of ten the creators have no idea it's even happening I found out about this stream because of a frankly very unlikely coincidence But I almost certainly don't know about the majority of times that my videos have been reacted to on twitch Why would I know and yeah on this occasion? I did know I could have tried getting in touch with his son by Adding him on twitter I guess but as a more general rule I don't think that it should be the job of creators to keep an eye on every twitch streamer to make sure They're not reposting their content It's not that I don't want this to happen again. It's that I don't think this should have happened in the first place I'm not a big fan of the precedent of reactors seeming to think they can free boot anyone's work They want to and if the creator doesn't like it then it's their responsibility to find out and get in touch You're not allowed to watch any youtube videos unless you react the exact way the creator wants you to The rules of the internet you are a fucking rhombus Reactors can use other people's content as a springboard to create whatever kind of content They want to from soot house to scalagrim. I am a supporter of the reaction content genre I make reaction content And I don't feel the need to ask the permission of the original creators first because I am always careful to make sure I am adding something and not just freebooting their work the reaction that this person is defending with you're just mad They didn't react in exactly the way you want is this and if we look by the kitchen sink you'll notice Toothbrush toothpaste mouthwash and other toiletry supplies despite the house having multiple bathrooms This feels like the kind of choice that would only be made by someone who was truly ascended to a higher plane of thought Maybe they only feel comfortable cleaning their teeth if they're accompanied by this dense foliage from the living room And this isn't just one isolated comment a depressing number of people seem to not even understand that there's a distinction between reaction content That adds to or transforms the original work and reaction content That just lets the original work play for several minutes at a time while the reactor eats. They just don't get it It's all just reaction content to them Jay's entire content content. No, that's not what it says Jay's entire channel revolves around him making content that only reacts to other people's content or analyzes it There's no difference between what Jay is doing here and what he's complaining about his son doing Jay's pathetically drama baiting over something that in essence would require him to delete 90% of his channel's videos If you were seeing this is indicative of the fact that nobody fucking knows what's going on or really is Yeah, I feel like it's mad Everyone's mad at each other. Yeah, and they're all saying crazy shit Um on both sides he was about not using other people's content when his son leaves. He's making I know let's do let's do this one of the Scottish accent when his son leaves He's me when his son leaves he's making food in his kitchen that's right next to his desk So he can come back whenever Good for him. Also you use footage from shows that people put more time into as background footage and yes It's fair use But if you're going to criticize someone for reacting then I will criticize your use of footage that isn't technically yours So yeah, a lot of the content on my channel is reviews of movies or shows And I use footage of those movies and shows to show what I'm talking about Although I don't really feel that I need to explain the kind of thing that I do because you've been watching it for 30 minutes And it's distinctly different from just letting someone else's content players You cook eat and occasionally make vague or vacuous comments If someone genuinely can't tell what the difference is here I struggle to understand how I could even begin to explain it to them It's like if an adult came up to me and asked hey, what's the difference between like a seagull and jealousy I would not know what part of that they were struggling with the icing on the cake for all of this Is that when all of these people scroll down to the comments section? My pinned comment was right there explicitly stating that I'm fine with actual reaction content And I just don't want my video used as filler and then the cherry on the icing on the cake is This person's bizarre claims. You seem to have worked really hard to create this content It's super scummy when someone just takes something and essentially copies the video without any Substantial differences or changes looks like these guys copied your content too I hate it when people just use other creators content. Oh wait, that video was made two whole months before yours Hmm seems like you just might be milking this for content This comment is wild to me that youtube link takes you to the archive of a yogscast stream Where they look at the same house. I looked at in my video I'm impressed that whoever filmed this went and actually was willing to go into these rooms They're reacting to the same stuff, but in it they make different jokes and say different things This person can't even tell the difference between a non-transformative reaction And two people making videos about the same thing And I think this is all very much motivated by the fact that they enjoy the fuck out of his son sitting there even It doesn't matter. It's just their guy and that goes the same for all of us. I suppose True Not something to overreact to it could calm the fuck down talk it through you seemed explosive at the beginning of this stream Feel chill now though Who me? Yeah Yeah, I'm explosive over how unhinged people get on like things that weren't like I should go back and read some of my subreddit comments people were like people were losing their minds There were like 700 comment threads over like one of the most innocuous like things on the internet What if I could find some comments hold on like I said though everyone can get you know, there's crazy people everywhere Yeah, I know but it's just like this particular thing is like it's such a small blip like in the And I don't even mean like a small blip like oh, it's just like two black guys killed by the cops and it's like data wise but it's just um It's like it's like even the people that are affected don't even know if they're actually even being harmed or not Um, yeah, I don't know though some of the comments even on my subreddit and then on twitter Especially been like unhinged Well, I mean actually it was a lot more than two the house was kind of a meme So lol just react harder j react harder. My man said react harder like here. Oh here's a comment I'm sorry. Hold on. I just want to go for it. Okay Let's just be honest with each other This is all because streamers think they're micro celebrities Their ego is so big that they think they're mere reactions to original content that may have taken months to make should be treated as equivalent Immodernization by the youtube algorithm They're trying to build a platform and you're and you're just not that famous bro. Chill out Now leave this bullshit drama play your little game Well, you charge some guy 80 dollars to call in and ask if men and women can be friends or not Got banned obligatory destiny is a cuck. We'll be using my other alts dggl You ain't getting away with your shit this time you slippery selfish Like and this this comment and it's not like these are downloaded people in my subreddit This got 214 upvotes like bro. Are you doing the one with with how many people you banned? Do you have a one to the like it's relevant as everyone just knows to make more counts ahead of time? I think I probably do but it's the fact that gets up. It's like bro First of all streamers literally are micro celebrities if if they're not celebrity celebrities like a lot of these streamers are Really fucking yeah, so it's just like such a it's such a bizarro like um Oh, yeah, here's one lol destiny is backing the youtube version of organized retail theft Stealing goods because of a lax system and reselling it elsewhere His justification is they don't call the cops so it's okay Like where the problem with organized retail theft is you're Comparing actual theft of items that are causing stores to close down Are there youtubers that have stopped like making content because so many reaction servers stole their shit like holy shit That one got that was like a third. Oh this one. Why don't rapes get reported must not be a problem Yeah, man Let him let him after a perspective. You don't need to ban them Let uh, you know, there's plenty of people who would argue against them Oh, it's and it's content when you get to read them out, you know and talked about it But yeah, okay Well, the thing is after what you said about the whole copyright shouldn't extend probably for about a year It sounds like you your view on intellectual property versus Let's say regular property is something that you should let your audience know about like more explicitly The problem is we've got we've gotten a lot of um We've done a lot of like debate recently over like defensive property And there's a guy in my community Pisco and he likes to argue the most like extreme versions of anything I have So he obviously likes to depend on intellectual property a lot But obviously there are huge differences between intellectual property and like actual property Um materially right because theoretically an infinite number of people could steal a piece of intellectual property But they're not necessarily depriving you of the property itself. They're depriving you of like rents from the property Which is fundamentally a different thing not to say that like one is okay and one isn't but um Yeah, also, I respect your um intentions to purify your subreddit, but it is reddit You ain't doing that never gonna happen people gonna. Oh, no. Well, I know but like jesus the unhinged comments No, yeah, and then it makes you unhinged. I mean it can anyway At least you feel that way, right? You want to be like, okay, fuck these people. I'm gonna go after them Oh, well, I do and I ban them all and off they go Is a twitch every Every fucking streamer turns off the critical thinking part of their brain when it comes to this issue The amount of mental gymnastics and insecurity and tweets discussing this is something to behold Kind of expected more from destiny Hey, baby, he likes this stream that guy That was just one they're like for huge threads That like went up with us and it's like jesus. Yeah, anyway, you know It's good to know that there's a lot of pushback and push forward and that you can figure this out You can direct them. You can let them know the the pit falling, right? Oh, don't worry. They've all fallen into the same pit where they'll crawl out with different reddit accounts Yeah So did you read what out that said he's prepped with another account? Oh, yeah, there were a couple of them where the people will tweet like getting onto my 15th reddit account Just to let destiny or these a massive cuck fucking hypocritical loser. Fuck whose content. I will no longer be like people It's just like bro Holy shit So I go ahead how much wait, how much what's the time left in this video? We are at uh, 35 out of 56 um 35 wait say that again. Sorry 35 minutes out of 56 minutes Okay, go for that's a chonko often used to try and satirize people who are critical of non transformative twitch reactions The sentiment behind it is that if a reaction streamer doesn't find the content they're watching particularly engaging They're not going to have a particularly strong reaction If you're there for their genuine reaction to the content they're watching and their reaction really is very minimal Then surely by asking them to change that reaction you're asking them to be fake You can't control your emotions It's not their fault if they didn't have an emotional response to the thing they're watching as this commenter sums it up If your problem is react harder, then my reply is create harder and maybe you'd get those better reactions The entire So true the videos are boring. That's the problem Signed to slide out Shad if you want merge this room with the room next to it So if you live here, you can finally achieve your dreams of a bedroom kitchen combo Finally now I can sleep in a room that has two separate microwaves in it You know the having two of something completely unnecessarily is becoming a running theme. You know who reacted hard Jinx it says gullible on the ceiling Oh, so I tell you stole my lungs In his videos jinx was always laughing and smiling and soy-facing. He very clearly Yeah, jinx is now better than xqc and a sun and yeah, look at where we are We've tumbled once to the content He was reacting to and people seem to forget this all the same problems that apply to these modern twitch streamers Also apply to jinx's love that this video was made so fucking long ago And one of the examples is reacting to a limo video Shows you how far we've come Running from ear to ear for the entirety of his reaction to my video that wouldn't have fixed the issue Summing up the criticism as react harder does make it sound unreasonable because saying react harder would be unreasonable But summing it up as Contribute something would be a lot more accurate. My man said contribute something man Make your reaction stream a meaningfully different experience to watching the original video It's not just a matter of react harder. The sound stream is great. Watch it every day Seem awfully sour over here lol Enjoy the signal boost he gave you Literally wouldn't know who you are if it wasn't for Hassan streaming your video, but keep drama baiting lol. What a baby Imagine being such a fragile little person that you're mad someone looked at your video Fragile to your channel, but doesn't react harder or the way you wanted sad The idea that I should just shut up and be thankful for the free clout is another pretty common one And to that my immediate thought is that you are grossly overestimating the amount of clout this kind of thing provides Somewhere between 150 and 180 of Hassan's fans came to watch my video following his stream Which on average translates to a grand total of about 40 cents and seven subscribers So thanks, I guess now i'm sure that mileage will vary from different streamers reacting to different videos Some reactions will provide more and some reactions will provide less as a streamer It's possible you'll provide someone clout by doing this, but you certainly can't base your behavior on the assumption that that's definitely what will happen Which is what Hassan does last like well, what's up like? Aren't you taking views away? No most youtubers don't mind that actually love that shit When twitch streamers react to their videos because they get a fucking fat bum on the topic of taking views away Though it's unclear that if by doing this streamers take away potential viewers from the videos they're reacting to It's entirely possible that some of the 40 000 live views of that stream would have ended up watching the video But now they've already seen it won't bother. This isn't the kind of thing that youtube analytics can tell us so we just don't know It is also interesting that everyone seems to be overestimating the amount of clout that this kind of thing provides No, sir. I don't want the free clout. It's not free clout if he doesn't say whose video it is. What the fuck Uh, hit the channel name and name of the video up the entire time No, he didn't but also. Yeah, you are allowed to say no to this kind of thing That's allowed. I imagine that if pewdiepie being the largest individual creator on youtube downloaded and then just Reuploaded one of my videos to his channel that would probably get me some clout I imagine that if will smith broke into my apartment and started filming me for his next movie That would get me some free clout as well Which is not equivalent just to be clear and you know what? I would happily let will smith into my apartment to film me for a movie But the key with all of these things is permission You can't just go around imposing this kind of give and take exchange on people without knowing whether or not they Degree to it, especially when what you're giving is 40 cent So those are the arguments in favor of this kind of thing and i've got to say I wasn't particularly impressed while i'm here. I would like to thank metal commander cynical cj Blair tv nicolas de euro and the uh credit. I think we could skip this part, right? Should be able to find a way True, especially when i heard that nicolas name. Fuck that guy You know the comments in that last section and i would like to let you know that the file the virtual celebrity sent me started like this I sincerely apologize if you can hear chickens in the background Sat down to record. They were fucking up a storm went out to chase them away Through rock said that they're not at them near them tiny pebbles. They thought the rocks were food Yeah, you can hear chickens in the background of the clips that she sent me Um, she also later of her own free will decided to send me a second version Without chickens in the background, but i elected to use the chicken one I'm a bad person Hopefully after all of that i've done my part to put dent in the attitude that twitch streamers can just play other People's content in full without permission without transforming it in any way I've seen a lot of streamers taking other people's content for granted like this and honestly It's just not cool But this video is not a personal attack directed towards any streamer who's ever done this I just want to encourage those streamers to hopefully well first things first give proper credit Especially if your justification for doing what you're doing is that you paid the content creators through exposure by giving them a fat bomb Ultimately though, there is of course no one correct way to do reaction content It's just anything's fucked up though. They use the arguments, but obviously he doesn't give a shit and doesn't confirm it It doesn't want to make sure it happens. You don't give a fuck whatsoever. There's a useful argument What wait, what do you mean by that the the exposure stuff? Like the point that I think you agree with right is that a fat bump shouldn't really constitute 100 What was that like 50 views extra on a video? Well, no, that's not a very fat bump at all. No, not really. So he's using that Shield as would be provided by anyone else who's making actual like cogent arguments against this when he doesn't give a fuck He's just going to take advantage of all of it Anyway, but I think one of those comments you read out earlier that I thought was interesting was Do you believe any is it possible that any of these streamers, especially the higher up ones Know what they're doing understand the damage and are like, yeah, but I can get away with it Well, I mean to be clear. We still don't know the damage if there is damage, right? No, I'm saying let's let's pretend Do you believe there could be someone who actually believes there is damage, but doesn't doesn't really mind Oh, but when I give a fuck Um, I mean, yeah, there's always going to be people like that that is possible Yeah, but I think that like if damage was apparent and clear we all agree on it I think public pressure would very quickly make that style of content like unpopular I think I think that would happen and I actually think it is going to happen eventually I think that this is getting louder and louder each time it pops up and I'm curious what's going to happen next Yeah, I guess we'll see what happens. Yeah It's a matter of mutual respect between creator and reactor and not taking anyone else's work for granted Now, let's take a look at what Hassan said about all this in response to my stream The youtuber who made the video about the strange house not donkey is mad at you Reacting to Hassan Abbey's original content that he worked really hard on and made all by himself Why because I was cooking while that was happening. Is that why? Hassan, if you see this I'm happy for you to react to my videos If proper credit is given however, please don't just let them play as filler sitting there saying very little and just having lunch Or leaving them in the room like come on man. I'm fine. We react content. It just requires a substance There's significant reaction to proper credit Okay, fair. Oh, okay He's taking it really well Good Okay, totally fine. He makes the most sense. Well, that's nice to see, isn't it? That's great. I mean I understand Wait, is he about to do some cringe shit? Come on. You know how you know how this works jay's obviously setting this up No, no, no, no Maybe we should have stopped the video right now. Yeah, if we do find there. I thought that was totally fine Hassan is yeah, you see just like I said if you make people aware that it's wrong then they would stop right great Yes, excellent 100 percent. There's a little bit more of the video. We could just toss on for the sake of it though Why not right? Sure. There's a little bit. Maybe it's the credits. Yeah, probably credits My man said react harder. Oh, so I have like 30 minutes of Hassan's response to work with in my editing room here If I was the kind of shady fuck to choose the clips I play with maximum bias I could make Hassan look like a wonderful saint. I personally don't care but if others do then Dude, absolutely. I will respect that 1000 percent or I could make him look like the biggest gay thing asshole who ever lived There's such a fucking dingus dude. Let's just show their channel name. I'm ass. I was dead so fucking hard Like what is this attitude that you have you stupid fuck? Is that really about the guy? No, he's not right? He's talking about yeah, but like he's talking to someone who just said just show the fucking channel credits And he's like oh fuck off, which is funny like because Yeah, all he had to do is be like yeah Okay, the easiest win ever, but it's Hassan. He finds a way How are both those clips from the same stream? Well all will be explained and I feel that I need to start that explanation by giving credit where credit is due You know because giving credit is important as soon as he found out that I didn't really appreciate his non transformative reaction stream Where he played my content He apologized and made it clear that he wouldn't play any of my videos on his streams again They have every right to be like yeah, fuck off, dude. What the fuck are you watching my video? I will never watch their stuff ever again for the record If they're upset about it. If you don't want me watching your stuff. I will gladly never watch it. I'm really sorry I apologize What Hassan seems to have respect for is a youtuber's right to opt out of something like this If a content creator makes a fucking youtube video and they're not happy with me like six months chat Watching and I fucking won't watch it personally. I don't care But if other youtubers do care then dude, absolutely. I'll I just won't watch it I Personally don't care Okay, I get upset if they like use it to misrepresent it or anything like that I personally don't care But if others do then dude, absolutely I will respect that not okay to uh, you know Play someone else's video if they don't want you to play it And I mean it is good that he has this attitude but Ultimately the phrase bare minimum does bring to mind like yeah him saying this is better than the alternative But the alternative would be him going. I don't care how the creator feels I get to take whoever's content I want and and then doing an evil laugh saying sorry and promising not to play my videos on his streams anymore You know, that's cool But then he does go ahead and follow it up with stuff like this You get yelled at for pausing and talking too much they yelled at for not reacting hard enough. What are you supposed to do now? I mean, what the fuck do you mean? I'm literally gonna do exactly what I've been doing Which is whatever the fuck I want to do bitch You're gonna really ask for more explicit declaration that he's not gonna change the way he does things I'm perfectly happy to be in the situation where Hassan's not gonna do this to one of my videos again But I'm not really here to talk about me. I'm here to talk about generally the wider issue of react content And nothing about that has been changed by this apology Hassan even says that he's used to creators getting annoyed at him for this and that this is just the standard apology that he issues out Whenever that happens But some content creators get upset about it and when they do I'm like, I'm really sorry and I will never do this again And it's as simple as that It could be argued that the reason he's happy to just make this same mistake over and over again Is that it's more convenient for him to just apologize whenever he's called out Then it would be for him to actually stop doing the thing. He's apologizing for he's apologized for upsetting me But I was never really upset. I just think that what he's doing is piss What he's not apologized for is what he's doing Which is the actual thing that I took issue with in the first place And is something that he spends most of his dream arguing in favor of a lot of the arguments he makes So the arguments we've handily already covered in this video like um, I mean, this is like not that relevant to be honest Yeah, I walk away while this video is going on Because I'm fucking uh, what do you call it? I'm cooking and I'm eating And uh, they didn't like my react. They were like react harder their criticism Even if it's like react harder Is that might be a bullshit criticism But like they're correct if they say if they're like I don't want you to react to my videos And we've already been over the whole react harder thing. We don't need to go over it again Hasan also seems to subscribe to the streamers need to do this because they're live for however many hours a day Argument he likes this one a lot actually. It's normal to walk away. Uh, when you're fucking Live for 10 hours, you know what I mean? I like Hasan a lot But it definitely puzzled me how zero content like this became so well received I don't know maybe because I'm live for fucking eight hours You can leave a sign saying gone for a dump back in five We could just give credit where it's due and actually react while he's in the room doesn't seem like a lot to ask These motherfuckers are like a dude peanut bottle, dude It just feels like Hasan wanted to not be streamed. This shit is unbelievable All right, because I haven't seen you try this stuff which is good But well the problem is right now Hasan is conflating the complaints of the viewers with the complaints of the content creators Because viewers will make these complaints either stop reacting so much or react hard or whatever Those are complaints for the viewers and those issues the audience But it's a fundamentally separate argument than the than what the people that are I'm talking about the peanut bottle one like he thinks what's being said here is the you cannot leave There's like nobody's fucking saying that. Well, yeah, but no, there are people saying that but it's the viewers saying that Are they viewers saying you can't leave? Yeah, they want you to stand stream all the time when they get mad if you took like a 10 or 15 minute break or whatever I mean, you'll get people saying like, oh, this is fucking boring the second you get up to go and piss But like yeah, fuck. Oh, they're there. Oh, yeah, I know But I'm just saying that Hasan's problem here is he's conflating the complaints of the viewers there with the content creators that are complaining about their Content being bitten basically, but like you can just I don't know skip those ones Like who the fuck here's what they have to say like, oh, I don't want you to be p and I want you to put something on that Entertains me. It's just like, oh, I'm sorry, sir. Are you not familiar with the legend of the one guy? Wait, yeah, I've hang on I was actually I always meant to ask you about this Because it feels like twitch culture stuff as opposed to youtube even though you're like What do you want now youtube kick and rumble I don't know. I'm just Streamer now, okay. Okay. Well, anyway, um the whole I he had chud logic scene all the time getting one guide. Do you mean just talking about someone's arguments in chat? people Streamers are very sensitive to their chat So it's very easy for one guy in chat to say something that triggers a fuck out of you And then you're stuck on that guy's comment like that's been a thing forever. Why did that get a name? I don't know just just it is fucking. That's why when you're like, oh, we'll just ignore the crazy people in chat That's not possible As streamers we we exist to get one guy. That's like I was actually gonna say though Part of your guys's content is getting mad at one guy. So yeah, okay I don't I don't see any issue with you fucking to find someone in chat who's said something dumb and and you know responding to it That's fine Yeah, I mean, it's not always sometimes Because it's one guy in chat No, I mean like as though it's a bad thing or a thing you need to avoid doing like that's how it's always presented Like I don't want to get one guy sometimes the bad thing because it'll be like one guy That's saying something like nobody else is really saying but then you get hyper fixated on like one Okay, that's something and now yeah I mean, it is funny like highlighting someone's saying and I don't want you to go pee. That's funny Yeah, it is because it's really mad more but didn't want to lose those Stream dollars like outside of the camera being on him houses any different than him just watching a tv I'll stream it just rose me the wrong way like how do you think of your viewers to just stream your break Hey, what am I supposed to do die like I don't understand Hassan reacts to someone's suggestion that he could just put up a brb screen or something Like inflating that with them asking him to pee in a bottle at his desk Yeah, those things are the same the attitude that he needs to do this or he just can't have breaks is weird and flat out Incorrect, but again, we've already covered it. He also makes the free clout argument But he adds something to it that we've not seen before most youtubers don't mind that actually love that shit When twitch streamers react to their videos because they get a fucking fat bomb We still have the free clout argument But now it's also packaged with the idea that most youtubers support and like this kind of thing happening Most other uh content creators on youtube and all around don't give a shit if you watch their videos Or they like it. They literally like it They want you to watch their videos Please record your answer and send it to me Would you be okay with it if a streamer played one of your videos in full on their stream without saying much or really adding anything No Fuck no, uh, no, I would not yes No Well, I mean I could kind of do with it. Are they are they willing to pay? No, I don't think I would be okay with the streamer playing one of my videos in its entirety Without even really adding to it if they give me a shout out and try to send people my way then sure But otherwise no no no oddly enough I think I would be okay with it But I also feel I'd have my limits no other than very specific exceptions. Oh, I like that guy. He's right No Yes, because if people didn't do stupid short-sighted things like that Then we'd have nothing to talk about and this whole repetitive cycle of drama on youtube would grind to a halt And I'd have to fill the rest of my days with anything else like Were probably yes if they were to credit me for there's a much larger streamer than me and the way that they Look who it is possibly result in a bunch of their fans coming to my good friend zander hall Yeah Maybe I wouldn't have a problem with it But just on sort of like a principal level I guess I'd feel very offended that they just show my video and not provide any Extra commentary or any extra substance to it. So yeah, I asked a load of youtubers if they would be okay with it And most of them said no, I chose these youtubers literally at random from people I already had DMs with we've got a good selection of different styles different topics different channel sizes And yeah, a lot of nose in there and the majority of yeses had caveats and conditions If they give me a shout out and try to send people my way then sure Which again just goes to show the importance of mutual respect when doing this kind of thing The thing that interests me though is the discrepancy between what hassan was saying and what we're seeing here So what's the difference? I don't believe for a second that hassan was lying. So what gives they want you to watch their videos And I have many examples of this of like content creators who I am friends with like andrew From channel five reach out to me to inform me that their new video is out so that we can react to it He's like, I can't I can't wait to see you and chas reaction to this new video that we put out I'm pretty sure I know exactly why that discrepancy is there Hasan appears to be conflating the kind of reaction content I'm not okay with with the kind of reaction content I absolutely support like a lot of the commenters we brought up earlier Hasan doesn't seem to have drawn a line between reaction content that adds something and reaction content that really doesn't Hasan has provided reactions that meet all of the standards. I've outlined in this video They're the kind of reaction that I actively encourage people to make and that I'm sure most creators would be absolutely thrilled to receive from a big Twitch streamer it appears though that as far as hassan is concerned Both these types of reaction are just reaction content to him and he's painting it all with the same brush This conflation is first demonstrated when in response to me saying please give credit and contribute something He says oh this person doesn't want me reacting to their content If you don't want me watching your stuff. I will gladly never watch it. I'm really sorry. I apologize I will never watch uh, their stuff ever again for the record react harder Is really laughing because you know that the subtext of that is him being like I was benefiting me I was benefiting you and now I'm going to take it away from you. You know, you can yeah Yeah, yeah, that's what he's saying. Yeah, that might be a bullshit person But like correct if they say if they're like I don't want you to react to my videos Which is kind of a weird response to a comment in which I actively tell him I'm fine with him reacting to my content. It's not if you see this I'm happy for you to react to my videos But it would fully explain why he made these comments if he's conflating those two types of reaction And of course it does make sense for him to think that way if he has dismissed the criticism is just react harder Why would he draw a line between reaction content that does and doesn't adhere to a criticism that he doesn't view as valid So when he says most youtubers don't mind that actually love that shit When twitch streamers react to their videos He's talking about just twitch reactions in general, which yeah, most youtubers do appreciate I appreciate that. I really like it when that kind of thing happens to me But what Hassan seems to not understand is that most youtubers do have a line where they're no longer okay with the reaction content This line is going to be in a different place for different creators Most youtubers like to receive reactions But far far fewer are comfortable with being used as filler as the streamer has some downtime This is a distinction that it's vital to understand and respect if you're going to be doing regular reaction content on stream Speaking of the free cloud argument Hassan also expands on it in a way. We've not seen before That's the reason why sponsors pay Money to twitch streamers to like play their video games. For example, there's a reason for that It's because they want as many eyeballs as possible on it and then people will go and fucking You know find it on their own. Hassan seems to love bringing up. They don't find it on their own You literally have to spam link and shit in chat. They don't find it on their own. That was a really bad mischaracterization Whenever he wants to bolster a position like this one basically the whole video game industry Not only tolerates but actively supports youtubers and streamers playing their games Hassan likes to use this fact to demonstrate that there's actually a mutually beneficial relationship between a copyright holder And a streamer streaming their copyrighted content Now this actually is a great way to demonstrate the level of publicity that a streamer can provide But it does ignore the reasons that video games are one of the only forms of media. This applies to basically I've recently played through both classic star wars battlefront games If I decided to stream both those games in their entirety to my audience even without commentary None of my audience would have actually played those games just by watching my stream anyone who when watching the stream You know, it's funny though is if he did it likely would have been taken down by copyright or at least Monetized by the owners for the the soundtrack it's all from the movies Which you know, like I said, if it's just from the games it's fine But if it's from the movies into the games then you you fuck the Lord the Rings games on like gamecube have footage from the films If you stream them, you're gonna have to put a cover up otherwise you're fucked Same thing if you play gta, you can't listen to the radio because sometimes they have like real Yeah He had thought oh that game looks really fun and developed an interest in actually playing it We then have to go and buy the game to do that I've also recently watched the entirety of smiling friends, which is a show Not a game if I'd streamed the entirety of that to my audience Then anyone who'd watched the stream thought hey, this show looks really funny And then developed an interest in watching it would have already seen it because I just showed it to them Now that's not to say they won't watch a potential season 2 if and when that comes out Or maybe go in pursuit of some episodes that they didn't manage to catch on my stream Maybe they'll even go and buy some smiling friends merch because from this interaction Smiling friends has gained a fan and all the benefits that come with that But the companies that own tv shows and films tend to be a lot less positive about this kind of thing Than the companies that own video games do I could just as easily argue that the strangleholds these companies keep on preventing people from uploading their copyrighted content Is proof that this kind of interaction actually hurts people But the fact of the matter is that none of these mediums are directly equivalent to one another Video games are medium that get all of the benefits of this kind of interaction with basically none of the drawbacks There's a reason it's different from medium to medium Those were definitely the main arguments he relied upon during his stream But he also said some other stuff that I found interesting So let's take a brief look at that as well one short part of the stream that interests me in particular Is the part where he talks about why he thinks he doesn't need permission to do this kind of thing It was not okay to play someone's video if they don't want you to doesn't that mean you need to ask Permission every time you watch someone else's content which seems pretty lame. No, I don't do that That's fucking ridiculous. I mean I did say it was short another clip I find interesting is one where he's talking about the fact that he left the room for a while throw it up the youtube video on my phone And I'm watching it I'm simulcasting it on my phone as it is playing on the stream If there's a moment that I want to like that I want to chime in with something I will literally run back and fucking run back and Put the fucking take there. It's the same as like me sitting there and not saying anything I agree. It's exactly like he was sitting there and not saying anything I'm starting to think he doesn't understand the issue that people take with this kind of thing I guess though that logically this means he does understand that when he's just sitting there not saying anything Which is something he spends a lot of time doing. He may as well just not be in the room And finally, I know you're curious about it. Let's have a look at that clip Show their channel name. Oh, man This happens when someone in chat tells his son that he needs to just show the channel name Show their fucking channel name, dude. It's not a big deal No, shit Dumbass, what kind of a fucking baboon are you the son gets mad at this because How much he agrees with it like he's mad at how much he agrees with it Disagree with that. Why do you oh god? I fucking despise these dipshits, dude Well, no, he's getting big mad because he thinks this is really obvious. I swear to fucking god like There's such a fucking dingus dude. Let's show their channel name. Oh, man I was dead so fucking hard like what is this attitude that you have you stupid fuck. Yeah, I know I agree Hey man, what kind of likes He has some of the best clips online like reacted to comments is fucking hilarious Um, as long as the master of the one guy Yeah Oh god, we had like a compilation on one of the e-fap episodes Some of them were just you reacting to them because I couldn't find like the originals is Someone else. He um, he's really bad at it, but it's really funny Like you make it seem like I purposely was like fucking hiding it or something It was literally on my screen for like a fucking hour you idiot So in my opinion like a fucking hour you idiot is a strange way to phrase 18 seconds. Yeah, that's how long my channel name was on screen during Hassan's original stream the rest of the time Um No, I'm not sure how he could possibly think it was there like how can you be that unfamiliar with your own setup? Him thinking this doesn't make any sense at all Unless maybe when he says their channel name was on my screen for like an hour He's referring to the second stream that he did. I mean there it is and there it is again Not for an hour, but for long enough. We're saying it was up there for an hour It's like a reasonable level of hyperbole if that is what he means though Then he's referring to something that he only did because I called him out Meaning this would be another instance of well if they complain I'll do what I should have done in the first place But otherwise I'll just play their videos without showing their channel name and since call outs seem to be what it takes To get streamers to do what they should have been doing the whole time. This is me Doing a call out man. I can't wait to see how this video goes down. It's sure gonna be interesting But uh it was a mess by the way This is the video the denims and irrelevant responded to and there were fucking morons with it It was actually pretty great It was funny because when I met chud logic I was like Lucky you didn't fucking make an idiot of yourself responded to this either because holy fuck the arguments they were pulling out You wouldn't believe it. You know what if you want to know what they are though The e-fab episodes are all there gentle viewers. That's all from me today. If you've enjoyed this video good And that is the video and that's jxc's channel by the way If you thought that was entertaining and you'd like to see more pretty straightforward stuff Mostly movie reviews or tv show reviews and stuff Okay, give me one second. I want to listen to the nazi comment. Hold on Hold on Oh a bunch of nazis get together and do an eight hour reaction to my live stream. Gotcha Yep Hey, he literally heard about his five seconds earlier than that so All right, well Hey, it's been fun buddy. It has been fun. Good luck with wherever it is you get up to I'll uh, I'll be around Suppose if uh, you need any more. Oh, yeah, you've got I think you should have problems with the channel So if I'm ever in here if you want to hop in and scream at me for something Sure, I'll usually message you beforehand. Uh, because You know, it can be a mess. It can be turmoil. It's just this is something that I knew about us also Yeah, I love you. Be careful buddy. See you dude. Bye. Bye