 Hello everyone and welcome back to enter the ether or the podcast all about the upcoming third person mobile therial clash of souls I'm your host the man goose joining me as always from the undying team itself. It's jelly knees. What's up jelly? What's up man goose? I just now realized that my background is still set up for the community corner background But it's fine. Whatever. I thought that was just your jam now Yeah, it's been good and that's what we're gonna talk about today, so it works out Yeah, we are going to talk about the community corner. I'll tell you right off the top Like the community corners have never been bad like especially the pre-recorded ones have always been pretty professional But they always seemed a little bit staged a little um little scripted, which I don't you know I don't care if it's scripted or not. I think it's probably best if it is a little bit scripted, but um No, this one just it flowed really smooth I think it had a lot to do with the fact that was you and skifter and you and skifter are like Buds so it was like Two friends hanging out talking about the game that they're doing so I thought I thought it went really well It was structured really well You guys put out a lot of great information looking forward to the live one the live one is that we're gonna be on Twitch or? We're probably gonna do multi-streams. It's gonna be on Twitch and YouTube okay for anybody that can tune in either place We're gonna do it that way Okay, not bad not bad. I like that you guys are doing it that way because Like I've always said you got people to watch YouTube and then you got people to watch Twitch and they don't they don't intermingle too much so Be a good way to get information out to everybody Yeah, not everybody can be like us man goose where we just wing it every week and then just say you know that works We used to be so structured and planned now it's like three hours before the show, uh Let's talk about this Yeah, well we crossed the year mark. We don't have to care anymore. Yeah. Yeah We could just flow into it we just flow ideas that we're gonna get 10% on we'll collect royalties We're set for life As long as this game is successful, we're set for life exactly All right, so you think that that you like the community corner all that and I agree with you It's there were several times in recording that I that I because that was the thing I wanted to avoid Is that feeling of being scripted because when I talked about it on the previous community corners And it was one of those like now that my face is on it. I don't want it to come across that way So it's several times. It was like, okay, let's do that again Let's make sure that this goes well doesn't feel as scripted And we we kind of have it a little more flow to it the whole nine yards So i'm glad to hear you say that that it felt better for sure. Well, great job I'm sure uh, I'm sure people will agree down in the comments if they're they're watching this um I don't think I saw anybody really say it during the The premiere, but I'm sure people felt it. I'm sure people Recognized it and realized it I'm sure and even I'll even take no negative comments, right? So that's In the previous ones there were some negative comments below about how it felt scripted and it felt kind of off Or is this one so far hasn't had any of those So that's an improvement in and of itself. So no news is good news I always saw one comment that could be construed negatively. I think that was ferro cdm um Said something about you guys talk about money a lot now, which yeah, I mean you do I can't can't knock the guy. He's a I mean We went from nfts to kickstarter to to now patreon But you guys gotta have money to make the game work I I get why you're doing it. But yeah, it does I get where he's coming from too I see both sides of that story Absolutely and to an extent I I mean I can't say with 100 certainty But theoretically the patreon is is the kind of last moment of that Prior to the release of the game and the skins being the monetization, right, right that there's there is no To my knowledge at the moment We're not planning on doing something next week about more money or whatever it might be right So it's it this is kind of the moment and now it's more focused on developing the game getting gameplay out there Giving teasers out on the patreon and the community at large all those kind of things the patreon seems to be doing quite well. I mean It's already up to 1100 a month from what I saw Yeah, I mean and it's going out every every couple minutes I get a notification on my phone of like a new person back to patreon. Oh nice. It's great to see nice It's a great thing to wake up in the morning and I check my notifications and it's like 50 notifications It's like yeah, this person changed their pledge to be more great. Yes stew it keep going We've had a few posts on the patreon now. We're not going to get into the specifics of that um Because that would kind of ruin the whole point of patreon if you were we just gave you all the information on enter the ether but uh We've seen malaya's themes. Well, we've heard malaya's theme music, which was great. I really liked it Very different from dantes. Um, it's been said before that They're going to try and match each myth With like appropriate music And like I think dantes really fits him but malaya's definitely very different from dantes Because she's a very different she has a very different backstory from him. So Absolutely And without giving away any details of it from the jump of that theme for malaya And with the the background that we have for her You get a very keen sense of those two things being tied together of her theme and and her background Being one in the same Which I love the first time I listened to it. I was like, oh, okay. Like I love this. I'm in Yeah, I think I've done a really great job with her music with the sound design in general Yeah, absolutely and more themes are going to be coming. So it's going to be great So if you want to hear it patreon five dollars a month at least yep um Then the other thing was grognard teasers Yeah, grognard's lore His lore and his potential abilities Um, nothing that is direct in any way But the grog church may care a lot about that depending There was a grog church What magus doesn't know about the grog church grog church. You guys got to get this man an invite Is there a cult of grog? Oh, oh, there's a cult That's a whole episode. I didn't know it. So I just know about frog nark and grog bark and Yeah, the people that were behind those skins made their own discord channel calling it the grog church and it's Good, like I said, it's a whole episode by itself. Maybe next week. We have an episode talking about the grog Why am I not in this discord? You would love it. Oh, that's amazing. That's amazing. I love it. I love it already So let's move away from the patreon. Let's get back into the community corner. Um Some information you guys put out you said the mocap suit from what you know, it should be coming this month Which is october, right? Yeah That'd be really good to see. It's still on track to deliver this month And we're basically itching to get it and hit the ground running on on those animations So It should be great. You should be able to see a lot of improvement pretty quickly afterwards Do you have specific people in mind? Um, other than you know the The actor for kratos To to do the mocap stuff Yeah, we actually have a team of people that we've already put together Okay They're just waiting for that suit to come in that we can have ready to go to do all a lot of the animations for the characters We already have and then people that we also think can do the animations for future characters as well Okay, right great right on I think my problem with the animations a lot of people, you know you can look at them and see that they're clunky but What it is what I've noticed is that nobody puts their hips into What they're doing that and I mean and any fighter knows that's where your power comes from it comes from the hips It comes from your core and like malaya is just from the shoulder That's dressing You know And she's got a lot of hips to be put into those to those big old swings and she just doesn't So I think once you get a mocap like somebody that knows About fighting a little bit and about you know making aggressive actions towards someone Then you'll you'll get a lot more information and of how someone moves Would move if they were attacking someone with a giant claw You don't see that a lot but And part of it too is that because we know the mocap suit was coming We don't necessarily want to fully flesh out all the animation catalog for each character Because that's just a lot of wasted work. Yeah. Yeah, right. So it's it's right now They have really bare bones. This is what they needed to be playable And then when we get the mocap suit and can go into triplicate on these animations Where you can get the running forward to the left a basic attack animation Yeah versus just the generic basic attack animation Right so you can get a lot more of that depth and detail with the hips moving and all that kind of stuff Once you have actual people behind it as well. Yeah, that'll be really nice. That'll be really great to see um See, let's see other stuff that you guys put out all the bloopers Speaking speaking of animations Tell shredder tallows the first one looking like a high school flag girl just waving his axe around everywhere And that was you right in the cat. I died laughing man Yeah, so shredder tallows I guess that in the in the community corner You could spam his right click and then spam his basic attacks at the same time So you could just get him swinging his axe around like it was nothing And that thing hits hard like it he's got a strong hard hitting Basic attack because you know, it's pretty slow Yeah, but it was so it's so fun to like witness in games We had a moment where we did we were trying to find something and we had 12 tallows is in the game And that was during the time shredder tallows was a bug and so everybody was running around Just driving straight down a lane and taking out the helter within two minutes Oh man, so good so good Then the other one the aron grab The erin erinson grab where he uh They grab each other and then tango out into space And that one dude that that ability Had some weird bugs at first to be sure That was one right where a wrongs would grab each other and then would just take a flight All right, they're just gone and sometimes they would fly cross map You'd go from like fire lane to ice lane Instantaneously, and you're like oh, okay. We're here now time to be too. Let's go like Uh, but you'd also get that he would grab a different myth And they would get teleported to this the coordinates zero zero on the map Oh nice because they would the game would freak out for a moment And so it would grab them and they would just disappear from existence Go to the center of void lane And then yeah, I suddenly have a malaya that's in void lane. Oh, hi malaya. Uh, hi, okay So what's supposed to happen? What's supposed to happen where he grabs them and he'll be able to throw them or hold on to them And pound them into the ground. No, no, what's supposed to happen when two orons? Meet at the same time at the same time only ever Be one grabbing the other Because one will hit the other first with their hitbox, but it's it's I'm sure that interaction is going to have some weirdness In in and of itself for a while. That would be so hard to time Uh, exactly It would have to happen by coincidence That clip with that we showed in the community corner probably took seven or eight tries by itself to get that to show their wrongs taking off grabbing each other So it'll be pretty rare when it happens and I god knows what's gonna happen sometimes when they do grab each other I guess we'll find out because somebody's gonna it's gonna happen and somebody's gonna clip it Absolutely It might just one will just cancel out the other Just naturally like a like a just a coin flip a 50 50 on that Yeah, who said box was slightly further ahead in that moment. Yeah Who did the server favor? It was higher in elevation Exactly. Yeah And then the last one we had was the minions killing the wyvern and fighting the wyvern Which uh, that was such a great moment too. That was during that 12v12 palace game That I was mentioned earlier that just happened to pull minions up to the wyvern and they just duke it out for a while Incredible I've done that in paragon I used to drag minions out of lane and have them fight jungle camp minions and it would work That only worked for like two weeks, but All right So like For the most part you guys were talking about patreon or stuff that we've already talked about on here Which was improvements to the game overall and since we've already covered that I didn't really want to Hit that again, but When you guys were answering the questions the first question was about future myths and this was very exciting A quadrupedal Ranged myth it looked like a A phaser beast it looked like a mix between the the weird armor cats from chronicles of riddick and a phaser beast Oh my god, you chronicles of riddick. That is a great poll because I didn't think about that, but you're absolutely right Um, yeah, no this I'm trying to be very careful because I know what the myth is The myth is super Exciting and cool all around And having like I said in the community corner quadrupeds are typically melee characters because They're just that's a hard thing to do In a 3d moba space to have a quadruped That Can use ranged attacks because typically ranged is using one of your limbs, right? Um, so it's interesting how we're going to do that as well and then skifter had the slight teaser of saying that he's very chill And well, you can see ice coming like dripping out of his mouth and stuff. Do you look really close? So but overall super excited for that myth to get more attention in the future Um, we're not going to make a super common occurrence of showing these myths that far out in the future But this was just kind of yeah, I imagine we're not going to see that thing for a long long time because we still got khalia a kaika uh, xxio Zero or nine myths that still have to release malware that phase of nark is gonna be a thing. So Yeah, there's a lot that we need to see before that thing But that thing does look really cool. And if it doesn't have a teleport, I'll I'll be very surprised Because I like it has like phaser bees tentacles. It's 100 looks like that I think it's gonna teleport. It's just me I think the closest approximation I can get will probably be eggy and scorch, but that was a mounted Hero like eggy was riding scorch that left him free to throw his His bombs his bombs and stuff. Yeah But this thing I I'm guessing it'll attack with its tentacles or something. I don't know I don't know. I can't say man. Oh, you know, it would be cool This is fun because you hang on hang on Because you know and I'm just making shit up. This is like Usually it's me making stuff. Exactly. Hey, this thing that thing Exactly It would be cool if the tentacles worked like yin's whip Oh, okay, so it was it's ranged but like medium ranged and passes through stuff I like that idea. Yeah, I don't know man groups Maybe this is another marina gameplay situation. Maybe this is not and I'm just yanking your chain All right, what we'll find out how he needs on the inside now right is that Like a year from they're all better from this side I'm gonna have to remember like a year from now to come back and watch this and be like That was right. I knew it Yeah And then if if none of it comes like if it doesn't teleport and if those aren't whips I'm gonna be like they did that just despite me That was the original plan and then they changed it Exactly exactly The other question laying structure made a which I don't think Even testers have really truly figured out yet I completely agree with you. I think in testing it's just kind of been whatever for the meantime But as we saw in the marina gameplay right the daunte and I went to fire lane instead Now part of that was because at the beginning of that gameplay the audio that I cut out was telling him Let's be cheeky and go fire lane But still you going fire lane is an option going ice lane is an option We've done that several times in testing void is an option as well I think it's going to come down to a lot of factors And I know you and I have talked about this in the past mangers of which wyvern because your team prioritized Like what synergizes better with your team? And then also do you have someone that will benefit being in one lane over another? Right, I could actually see ethereal being a game where that lane structure is ever shifting depending on team comp Yeah, where you could have your dual lane if you're running daunte marina you could see them going fire lane primarily, but if you switched it to Malware nicolai maybe they're better in the ice lane or they're better in the void lane So you could have that kind of be slightly different game to game And have that work because I could definitely see that being a possibility and yeah, then You can also make decisions based on that too like when you see the enemy team drafting And you're like oh, they got the malware nicolai. They're probably going to go ice lane Like do we want to put our duo in ice lane or do we want to pick? A solo laner that can actually match up in a 2v1 and hold their own for a while and perhaps even You know like in paragon, but you'd flip the switch once once you got your ultimate and start Trashing the duo but That'd be really cool to see y'all man. I missed I missed the 2v1s. I know a lot of people hated that but I'm with you though Magus, I love it was such a cool aspect of paragon in the early days was that 2v1 style Um, I wouldn't say that we're endorsing the 2v1 Yeah Because again a lot of people hated that and that's not something that we Internally have said like this is what we want to do But I think there is the potential that some games you may have that 2v1 because your matchup is better for it right I think it'll be the majority by any means though, especially at first when people don't know where to go You're going to end up with a lot of 2v1s just naturally And that was a conversation in that marina gameplay. We had we had kai on talos in the against the duo lane And it was are you comfortable going against the duo playing safe enough? That you can 1v2 effectively while we dominate this part of the map instead And And he's yeah, I'm comfortable. Let's do that right and it's being able to coordinate with your team in that way as well Is super important. Yeah It's gonna be fun a lot of interesting stuff's gonna come out of the the different lane structures Absolutely, and when the obelisk gets implemented as well the obelisk could be its own Version of like, okay. Now we value the obelisk over fire and ice. So right duo there as well I think a lot of it probably will come down to how important that obelisk is The rest of us still don't know what it does. I bet you do now That you do now. I can't say What I would say is go watch my theory video on youtube That's okay Um, the next thing was the ping system vgs system. Um, so it was kind of a tbd right there like uh, you guys It's still in development. You guys still haven't 100 decided how that's going to work Yeah, it's it's one of those systems that we have no doubt is valuable Right having that system, especially for a game where you're not always going to be queued with five of your friends right you want to be able to Tell your team exactly what's going on as often as possible So we want it to be in depth. We want to give it a lot of depth for what you can do But we want it to make it accessible at the same time And so it's it's trying to find a good balance between those two things Of what depth to accessibility looks like um Yeah, I I have no ideas on that because like I don't I don't like The way paragon does it and how the way fault does it now? And I guess predecessors probably want to do it too. Like I don't like that But it's like the only way I can think of To to do a a decent call-out system in a third person mobile like that Yeah, and it's one of those for paragon bread and fault That it's the barrier to entry is so high for that thing system Because you have to know okay to ping the enemy is missing left I have to go right left up down left right. Yeah, and then There you go Then I can do it when you're trying to do that for the first time You have to read all the options and then it gives you another menu and then another menu and then another menu Right. That's awful. That's terrible I've had friends that picked up fault and I'm like ping that they're missing when they're missing and they're like How do you do that? It's like you just left right left like there you go But it's not it's not accessible. Yeah, and that's that's like I said the big thing that we're trying to figure out A good way to give that depth without being ridiculous at the same time I remember one of my first games of fault Think I got yelled at for not calling missing mid Like why didn't you call missing mid? I was like I like halfway there and gave up Like I was I was gonna try I hit see I brought I brought the menu up, but then I got lost and Said screw it You're telling you mangos you don't want to play bop it every time you have to ping an enemy's missing Enter the contra code and get my extra lives Yeah, that's not exactly Uh, and then spectator replay mode again. No time soon Uh, I believe what scepter said was they need to focus on getting that game like working Properly and making sure it looks good and good looks good enough that you would want to spectate it so absolutely, it's It's a nice feature that we know everybody wants to have and likes to have For a plethora of reasons content creators love it because they can go back They can do like vod reviews. They can go back and look at their own games Professional teams or high competitive teams love it because you can analyze things and break down where some mistakes are And then regular players love it because if you make a sick play You want to be able to go back and show your friends and say like look at this thing, dude Like I made I I remember I still have this clip too Um, I have a box grucks replay on my computer from when he was a bugged in paragon And I do that thing I held on to for to your life. I'm not losing this replay to save my life That's awesome So it's one of those things of like it's good to have but gameplay has to come first, right? It's the priority has to be there in order to have cool plays. You have to have a game Now I'm looking forward to the spectator mode, but I completely understand that it's Not the number one priority right now And I'll take people that are asking to expect it to be they just Kind of want to know Yeah, and letting us know that that's something they value and want as well is hugely important Because we know there's there's a list of 300 features that we want in ethereal That we have to prioritize the ones that the community wants the ones that we want and all that kind of stuff So hearing people say and hearing a lot of people agree that yeah spectator replay mode That's what we want. Okay that feature can move up that list of 300 things Because that's something the community values and wants in the game earlier than some of the other secondary features like Brian Then the next question that was asked was why you guys went with the tiered Item system and 100 understand why you guys did go with the tiered item system Yeah, I mean accessibility is huge and I've said it several times in other questions now But the game is already super complicated Like there's no question about that right and class abilities and an extra ability across the board on all myths Is just going to add to that. There's no reason to make the item system Even more complicated right when games like smite have shown that it works And and it's my players will disagree with me there, but But smite shows that you can do it We just have to do it better than high res is doing which I don't think is a problem so Where it's a good system to have and just make it accessible for all players And for for those of you don't know because there's a lot of people that are coming to ethereal from smite And from legal edges not not everybody is a paragon refugee. That's following ethereal like It's pretty much all the pair of refugees are following like fault and predecessor and all that stuff like that But not some of them are following Ethereal but not all of them So I wanted to kind of explain real quick the paragon cart the paragon item system because that's what kind of was Asked is why they weren't using like the component Item system that paragon used what the way it worked in paragon was You would buy your full end item And then you had three slots in that end item and you were able to buy Cards that you could slot in so you could basically pick What stats you wanted on your end item? I mean it was a little bit limited like you could only either have like physical power Armor or life or something like that but you could put whatever combination and not only that but you had Different levels of those component cards like you had like tier one tier two and tier three so you could Make an early game item out of a late game item Basically like you could buy it pretty cheap and then slot Three tier ones into it to complete that card and get the benefit from it But that's what they're talking about. So that's a pretty complicated system If you're coming from other mobas and it's one of the reasons that a lot of moba players Didn't like paragon. They didn't like that item system. They just didn't understand it And um, so I kind of I do like that you guys went with the tiered system I mean the other problem, of course with the paragon card system is that You had to like unlock the cards and the loot box and get them out of loot boxes and shit So that towards the end of the game's life it became sort of pay to win I remember I didn't have it was very important paragon to have a minor strike Which was If you're gonna play carry and it took me for fucking ever to get a minor strike card There were several of this cards throughout the life of paragon that yeah If you got lucky and re-rolled the card you could dominate games because you just had the one card that Puts you leads about everybody else. Yeah Yeah, well, I'm glad you guys went with the tiered system over the component system even though I do enjoy The component card system and how flexible it was as far as stats go, but probably not something you guys want to do Especially not at first Right as everybody learning all these other mechanics And then the other thing was items that modify abilities And this was like a maybe in the future sort of thing Yeah, this is there other games. I can't name a couple here like we've got dota 2 As an item I can't say the name the full name correct But I know it's known as like ag's scepter And what it does is it modifies like ultimates or passives and gives them bonus effects or more damage or bigger radius or Seems similar to the talent tree in hops But on an item right so you can say like oh now I want the bigger radius I have to buy that item in order to get that So that was one of the examples There are characters in league That have their own items in the shop when you play them that they can then upgrade certain abilities and things Like that So I think it was just asking about that something especially as a lot of us in ugr league players That we all we look at and be like that's definitely a potential in the future, but there's just nothing now for it. Yeah I think I I mean it would be cool, but again I think you guys should probably focus on getting the basics down before you go Doing some craziness like that for sure. Absolutely Um, the last one was class abilities When are we going to see the rest of the class abilities that aren't currently in and again that was sort of whenever I think skifter's answer pretty much was the whenever they are able to implement them They will do videos and I'm sure that'll probably be that means jelly will do a video Explaining the um the class ability and how it works. So No real concrete answer is to win, but we We are assured that we will know exactly how it works when it does happen Yeah, and those I can tell I can say here are Those are all features that are going to be implemented prior to the pre alpha So that's between now And that pre alpha release that those videos and all that will be uh, when was that pre alpha release again? Oh, wow however Which But we I mean we did talk about that in the community corner as well that we're still slated for the 2021 free alpha release Um, and being on the internal side, I would definitely say that that's a goal that we're very likely to hit Given everything that's involved there um And there may be opportunities in the future prior to that that pre alpha release To try the game and go from there and see get some feedback. Okay, right on Good to hear And I That sums pretty much everything up for the community corner unless you had anything else you wanted to talk about jelly No, I think that's about it. I mean always if you guys have questions leave them in this video Leave them on the community corner video put them in the ethereal discord All right, we're going forward especially for live community corners. We want to answer as many questions as possible Right that's we want to we want to try this time. We did I think we had seven or eight Um, but we that's the main goal is answering questions getting people more comfortable with the idea of how things are going to work And all of that that's what we want to do So anytime you guys have questions either send them to me leave them somewhere that we can see them We're happy to do that. Is there a date for the live one? There is not that we've released yet. Okay, we should be doing that shortly here It'll be this month. We'll do one live and one prerecorded every month. Okay, right on All right, awesome. I like how we've switched roles here You have to rename myself to jam elbows Oh Okay, yeah, I think that's about it anything you wanted to the blog jelly Uh, just join ethereal discord follow their socials and all that join the patreon Lots of cool stuff's gonna be coming out there weekly posts all that good stuff. Um I'll be the one putting up the posts. So, you know, I will be very consistent on that and get those out to you guys So, yeah, that's the big thing. What about you, man? Goose? Um, I'm related to anything but the fall anime season is starting to come out. So, um Two suggestions if you're if if you don't mind like a slice of life sort of dramatic Anime blue period is really good I've watched the first two episodes of that and really enjoyed them And one that kind of came out of nowhere that I wasn't tracking at all blue period was on my radar This one wasn't it's a tesla note. It's about Recovering nicolai tesla's inventions. It's it's pretty awesome. It's pretty awesome. Like I've watched one episode That sounds super cool. The girl the girl in it is adorable It's kind of done with the ruby style animation, which I normally don't like but they actually Did a pretty good job of it with this one. So tesla note blue period check those out if you want to awesome So there we go right out of nowhere some anime suggestions, but I hope you guys enjoyed that anime. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode I hope you guys enjoyed the community corner and I hope you guys enjoyed jelly and ice swapping rolls Hope you all join us as we enter the ether man Shout out to channel members foolish blood hunter jelly knees and yell mix for men