 All right So go on go ahead and tell me why I shouldn't buy an iPad mini 3 again I've had me well, not you pull Ganon is wondering. Oh, I can't Well, you can do whatever you want Actually, you can you can Do what you mean, I might I know I might seem forceful, but you're actually Yeah, it's so the thing is iPad mini 3 is Basically an iPad mini 2 with touch ID and you're getting a machine that is a year behind already So you're saying by if you're gonna if you have to buy one buy it too because it's cheaper Well, no. Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly if you want that mini 2 unless you really really want the touch ID Which is going to use be used on online only Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. It's a tough choice actually, but the iPad mini 3 really doesn't look like it I say get a Nexus All right You ready Wait, can I can I say something before you start? Yes. I don't feel like it recognizes Miss Josephson I don't feel like I did the best possible job with the Yahoo earnings because they didn't report their earnings like in a way That made me make it sensible I mean, I wrote it down. It's a lot of numbers. Look at look while we're doing this Look at the recode version of it and then kind of see if there's anything extra Okay, triangulate it against that because maybe just not that much to say gap. It's the cool gap You know, all right. Yeah, you start. All right. All right. Here we go Ready Good This is the daily tech news for Tuesday October 21st 2014 I'm Tom Merritt joining me my co-contributor Patrick Beja DTNS King in the north Well, that is a title like I yeah Easto from from you, but West from others that are really to the east They don't really like royalty in your country anyway, so that is true. I don't want you to end up under a guillotine Co-contributor, does it mean that you're also a contributor? I thought you were the host. Well, I Complicated I just I contribute and I host right. I like the company. I like so much. I bought it Or something. I don't know. Anyway, Patrick Beja is here and we've got tech headlines to give you so here we go Reuters reports augmented reality startup magically praised 542 million dollars in funding led by Google with a nice chunk from Qualcomm This would probably be just another startup receiving another round of funding and we wouldn't pay much attention to it if it Weren't for the mystery around magically, but do you know the mystery Patrick? I know it has to do with eyes and projecting things on it's very clockwork orange Actually, very few people know what Magic Leap's product actually is but CEO and founder Ronnie Abavitz has said Magic Leap will develop quote The most natural and human-friendly wearable computing interface in the world And apparently according to Reuters the device will track your eyeballs and project images directly on them Meaning that images appear within the natural world rather than being projected in front of you like in an Oculus Rift Also, Sundar Pichai senior vice president of Android Chrome and apps at Google will join Magic Leap's board after this Yeah, that's also another sign that something is a muck there and I mean half a billion dollars is For a company that we know nothing about for the product. It's a lot of money to invest into something that Well, how much fundamental research can you do with half a billion dollar without anyone finding out what it's about? I don't know if it gets rid of your urge to take part in some of the old ultra violence Which is exactly what this sounds like to me like Uncle's got milk. It's all yeah Hmm, it's not very horror show Let's let's talk about something soothing like the Federal Trade Commission That PC world reports the US FTC has appointed privacy consultant Askan Soltani as its new chief technologist beginning in November Soltani is a security researcher who won the Pulitzer Prize for public service in 2014 Along with covered the US NSA surveillance programs Yeah, so he did some stoning stuff and he's and he's worked for the FTC before too So they like him there apparently. Hmm interesting. That's that's the kind of thing that makes you go. Hmm Which means it's interesting. This is why every time people say oh like the government would ever hire somebody like that I'm like well, sometimes they do. I know maybe it's infrequent But look, you know Ashton Soltani hiring a guy who worked on Snowden leaks on a Washington Post to be your privacy chief Technologist that's good stuff Happens giga home reports China denies any involvement in the man in the middle attacks taking place Against Apple's iCloud within China the attack coincided with the launch of the iPhone 6 in China according to greatfire.org Swedish security researchers at net resex said the attacks seem to be performed from within China based on the number of hops and Seem to be being performed on backbone networks belonging to China telecom and China Unicom Hua Chenying a spokeswoman for China's foreign ministry told journalists the government was Resolutely opposed to hacking and China telecom also said the accusations against the government were untrue and unfounded Guess we'll have to take their word for it Nielsen the company that tracks TV ratings has partnered with adobe systems to measure viewership of digital video across all Internet-connected platforms according to Reuters This includes desktops smartphones tablets game consoles and over-the-top boxes the system will launch in 2015 with ESPN Turner broadcasting Sony's crackle Viacom and Univision already signed up So is this a thing where they're going to be doing? When the population to estimate all of these all of this Viewing or do they have some secret technology that's going to be embedded in Everything we do well the part the part with adobe has to do with the ad tracking The part with Nielsen could include some diaries and and stuff But but really what what's significant to me about this story is that you see more and more of the ratings company that Advertisers rely on saying we're gonna get you some numbers, right? We are going we are going to find a way to track these eyeballs because one of the reasons you haven't seen more major video Online is Monetization wasn't there. They're like yeah, if somebody watches our TV show on the internet. It doesn't count We don't get to charge the the advertiser for those ratings It's surprising that it's taking so long. I mean we are in a similar similar ish situation in France and And it could have started being counted a while ago already Yeah, apparently adobe can track viewers down to the IP level. So yeah, there's yeah The Verge reports that the best features of music service songs a including its smart playlist creation Will now be a part of Google Play music on Android iOS and the web Google acquired songs of back in July if you remember an update today We'll add a version of songs as concierge service offering a colorful list of activities Like you can have a working out playlist or a sleeping playlist, which you're sleeping So I'm not sure why you'd want that. I guess it's to put you to sleep studying Calling Comcast etc designed to match your activities and mood the features available only to all access subscribers That's Google all access, but there are no ads So that's couple plus there a play music representatives said it's quote Business as usual for the standalone songs app. So they're not killing the standalone app either, which is good I'm have you used songs are because I'm wondering how it is different from Spotify's Curated activity playlists from what I've read of people who use songs that they're like it's much better It's this is this is much more. This is much more suited to the needs But those are songs enthusiasts. So maybe they just say that because they already like the service I don't know that reminds me more of the beats thing where beats has those mood playlists Yeah, but the thing is for for beats. It is Actually curated. It's not done. It's a mix of algorithm and curation and they actually have people behind it And that's how they explain it. How they explain it's better. I'm not sure it's how it works in the case of songs I'm guessing it's a concierge. It's a French word. Oh, oh, all right. All right So it's actually a concierge who's hand crafting your playlist right for every person involved He sits and looks at pictures of you and reads about your childhood Good deal. Yeah, all right Everyone you can relax now the content of our future timeline is assured There will be a working hoverboard available for purchase in time for the back to the future Oh my god, it's the future deadline next year Giga reports that a california startup called arcs packs I just want to make sure I got it right arcs packs has created a board called the hendo Which which can hover three quarters of an inch above the ground but only on certain types of metals Capable of generating a magnetic field like copper and it definitely won't work on water So, you know continuity is almost preserved Oh, yeah, and it will cost 10 grand So the company's ultimate goal is to is to create a small white box that can add hovering capabilities to anything in your home office or museum. So hovering Mona Lisa coming in 2015 So the thing is the hovering Mona Lisa would have to be Hovering over a sheet of metal at least right it needs to have the metal to repel the The magnet these things are going they'll need roads Right, they will need metal roads. Yeah So I'm not sure exactly how and I'm wondering. I mean everyone has been exploded exploding About this on twitter and everyone else everywhere else. I'm wondering how much of this is You know, we have seen a magnetic field repulsion hovering before I Mean idle pen toys that hover over their stand and things like that Is it just because isn't it just because they made it into a hoverboard and and showed that it kind of worked? Is it I'm It's the second part. That's the trick right having the hoverboard actually work I think that's you know, I think that's what catches people's eye It makes an awesome sound too. Yeah All right. Do you have pants on? I never have pants on well put some on and hold on to them people Yahoo beat expectations in their q3 earnings report announced today tech crunch reported that yahoo with sales of 1.09 billion dollars excluding traffic acquisition costs and non-gap earnings per share of 52 cents Revenues including acquisition costs were 1.15 billion dollars Analysts were expecting on average non-gap earnings per share of 30 cents on x-tax sales of 1.04 billion Yahoo stock is up more than 4 percent right now and after I was trading Now what's yahoo going to do with their 5 billion dollars in alibaba cash? The stockholders are like right here, please just put it in my pockets because I have pants And that's why I uh regret not having pants as well. Yeah, no money for you Yeah, recode reports hp will demonstrate a new product called Sprout at an event in new york on october 29 According to people who've seen it the product combines a large flat screen display with a flat touch enabled work surface And an overhead assembly that combines a projector and a 3d scanner The overhead device protects images downwards onto the work surface Which users can manipulate with their hands or with a stylus It feels like this before It feels like somebody at h we'll see we'll see what they actually announce All right, let's let's not let's not trash a product before we even know what it is because this is this is a scoop This is an early room or whatever But this description from recode makes it sound like somebody sat in a boardroom and said what would make a really impressive demo Like i'm not sure what to make of this in real life Hmm. I mean we've seen prototypes of somewhat similar things a few times But it feels like something that you would look at in a movie and think wow, that's the future Yeah, that would be actually kind of impractical. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's what this strikes me as like I said Let's wait till october 29. Let's see what they come out with Time for some news from you These are a selection of items submitted at our subreddit. What you haven't been to the subreddit yet Go there now daily tech news show reddit.com and for those of you who are like no, what are you talking about? I have been to the subreddit. Well, thank you. Thank you for going there and submitting stories and voting on the stories as well Kyle is our janitor on the subreddit self described He calls himself the janitor because he keeps the spam Like almost invisible. I don't know how he does it. He thinks he's a magician Anyway, kyle pointed out a life hacker post about what will end up being our main discussion story today Google is implementing a new second factor authentication scheme Called security key which allows you to use a universal second factor key like a ub key To log into your google accounts the key uses the open fido framework to authenticate you rather than having you type in numbers From an authenticator because those could theoretically be fished in other words You stick a special usb key in your device and press a button Boom you'll log in for now security key only works with chrome We're going to talk a little more about that in a bit Captain kipper submitted a tech crunch article reporting that microsoft will drop Nokia branding from its windows phones. The phones will now be Cold phones the rebranding will begin in france And move around the world I think it's going to propagate because if it moves then it won't be in front. Oh, right. It does propagate. That's a good point That means the name nokia will only be used by nokia Which still exists as a mapping and network technology company I believe there they will be allowed to build smart phones again in two years and maybe it's Longer for smartphones, but I believe the name nokia nokia is going to come back to them Ultimately, right? Well, this was the first step right and there was a little hiccup in your internet Microsoft Lumia will be the names of the Lumia phones now if people didn't quite catch that And that means that the nokia name isn't used by microsoft and then the next step like patrick says is Eventually nokia gets the right to use that name back and eventually they get the right to do whatever they want They have a we won't make smartphones and compete with their old handset division for a period of time as part of the deal But that deal won't last forever Hometown rivals submitted the i more story that apple has responded to a washington post story Co-written by future f tc chief technologist ashken sultani by the way The story pointed out that os 10 yosemite's spotlight search sends data back to apple by default apple said We limit what data is collected We do not attach it to an ip address or any kind of persistent identifier And apple points out you can opt out of spotlight suggestions bing or location services for spotlight any time you wish through your preferences It's it's really i mean it's for suggestions. So I think it's reasonably Expected it's reasonable to expect that they would send data, but the even more important things Thing there is that you can opt out of it completely quite easily. It's just a setting in the settings. Um, so I I don't think there is a Story there in the sense of uh outrage Mark it's by the way mark shuttleworth at ubuntu is just looking at this shaking his head like He should have talked to me first. I could see a lot of pain on this one Because they they went through all of this already Yeah, I mean that apple's even stealing its controversies now from linux But i'm ching Just kidding. All right. That's a look at the headline All right, let's talk about this uh ub key thing because when I suggested this to patrick as a story today I was very positive about it. I was like look, this is great You just uh in fact my wife who works for google has this already because that's what they use for their corporate security A lot of enterprises use it for corporate security where to authenticate that you're really the person logging into the corporate network You put in the ub key and everything happens On the ub key, right? So you don't have to type anything in it's public key encryption, etc And they're now making this available for anybody. You have to go buy the device yourself It's like an 18 dollar key that you can purchase anywhere. You can buy one on amazon or wherever And then you pair it with your two factor authentication on google right now It only works with chrome, but it's an open framework phyto. So other browsers can implement it things like firefox, etc and other Companies hopefully will get on board. Thanks google. They would like this to become widespread But then patrick you you said when we were talking about this. You're like i'm not so sure Well, it's the thing is i'm not really sure why This is better than existing solutions and i understand technically why it's better You know, it's actually on a theoretical level more secure and it's it's less Subject to potential attacks and phishing and all of this but when we're talking about phishing for these um For the existing two factor authentication Authenticators like the google authenticator that you can use with multiple services It's something that needs to be phished and used within A few dozen seconds probably It's the window for for because these codes are you know, they're tied to an algorithm and and a tied server and the time synchronized time thing anyway And and they're valid for a very short amount of time so 20 seconds more or less But that's all it takes man If you click on a phishing link and you think you're at google and you're not And you give put in your password and you put in your authenticator That script automatically logs itself into your account with a valid credential and then it can go turn two factor authentication off I agree Um in theory again the ubike type thing. Oh by the way ubike. I believe ub is for a finger Because it's a japanese thing name for pink. Oh nice. That's why it is. Yeah. Um, anyway, so in theory I understand that the um security keys are safer, but um, you also have to weigh it against the other Inconvenience of actually having to have the authentic the authenticator with you all the time And the fact that if you don't have it you simply cannot log in if you're not at a previously Safe Determined as safe location and of course the authenticator you have to have it as well But since it's in your phone, it's I think much More likely that you will have it with you and we're not talking about a third party service like, you know, let's say a Gaming service for which you need an authenticator as well where if you can't log in well, you know, you can't play but it's not the end of the world but Not being able to log into your google account might be Okay I I I feel you on that like you're gonna have to carry this thing with you But also you can't get into your house if you don't have your key And you don't say everyone rushing to turn their house locks into phone enabled locks because they have their phone with them I mean, this is something you can carry around with you and fair enough if you lose it That's a bad thing right just like losing your phone is a bad thing And maybe because it's smaller and because you don't use it all the time you're more likely to lose it There are they do suggest that you actually register two keys. You can buy two keys keep one safe So if you do lose the second one, you can de authenticate that one and and use your spare Like there's there's ways around that I guess my question is how Unsafe is the existing solution now that is exactly the right question to ask right? It's it's always convenience versus security when you say that Sometimes you have people on the security side saying well, you know What what price is your security and like you said it depends on on what you're logging into If this is your financial information, you're going to want to put up with a lot of inconvenience If you're talking about logging into elo right now, I'm not really You know, I'm not really wanting to put up with a lot of inconvenience But here's the thing if you can keep this thing like tied to your phone or there can be an implementation that would use nfc on your phone And maybe that could work somehow with a computer or something like that. That's not in the framework right now But if if you could make it so that like this is normal Like you always have this key with you just like your house keys And and then all you have to now it's easier because I don't have to pull out a phone and open an authenticator app I don't have to pull out a separate dongle. I don't even have to have a phone I don't have to type in anything because the way that Sorry, yeah, yeah, sure. I can loan you a buck later Some people disagree with you tom all the children disagreement So here but but let me finish that that sentence that I'll let you talk Um, I'm let the children talk So so the thing is like I log in right name password Plug in a usb key and press a button done. I'm done It's actually easier and more secure because it's public key encryption and the authentication happens on the chip It's not in a place where something could be fished. It makes sure like am I actually talking to google? Yes, I am Okay, good, then I'm going to authenticate so I understand I mean there are words coming out of your mouth And I understand all of the words that you're saying and they make sense and I put them together in my brain and They make sense, right? I still and and I'm almost convinced They're still a part of my brain that thinks So I'm using last pass and I'm randomizing my passwords and everything And you still have people when I'm doing that with a two-factor authentication, by the way through the the google authenticator And even then I still have people who are telling me. Well, you know, you still have this one password for last pass, which is sort of unsafe You know, it's the I guess there are two things I'm wondering that Aren't there potential points of failure for this system as well and also how much of it is The isn't at some point the security good enough that we don't necessarily need to go farther If it's a little bit inconvenient and I understand that Ultimately, I think you convinced me so I'm playing devil's advocate now I think I would like to have this key that I keep with my keys that I always have with me, especially if there is, you know NFC there but Yeah, the the two remaining questions are still there. I think that's a very good question I think it is the right question to ask it said people don't want to raise that question of is this worth the inconvenience because It almost sounds if you're a security professional like you're advocating irresponsibility, you know, you're telling people I don't worry about it that much, right? And that's that that is not true If you want to give out In general to the masses the most secure advice then you would say always use two factor authentication, right? But if you're talking individually to a sensible person that you know can think for themselves, right? Like you and I are talking then you want to say like well Yeah, you probably don't need two factor authentication on every single account. That's overkill, right? You might want it on the accounts that would be the most damaging Because it is it is a little more of an inconvenience on the other hand Here's where i'm going with this. It's a little less convenient than not having two factor authentication I think yubikki is actually more convenient than using an authenticator app or even an authenticator fob That gives you a one-time code that you put in because you don't have to put in that code You just put in the authenticator key And I I use one myself and it's it's really simple. However What would be better is if you didn't have to use that at all, right? And that's uaf That uaf is part of the fido framework where an uaf stack is installed on a client device say your phone Then you present local biometric Or maybe a pin or maybe an eye scan to register and authenticate. In fact knock knock labs Has a multi-factor authenticator that integrates with fido and touch ID Touch ID and fido don't get along But the this one from knock knock labs will unify the two so that on my phone at least I don't have to put in a password at all. I've already pre authenticated. I know it's me. I have I have a secure Uh stack that's making sure to use public key encryption and I'm using my you know And I'm using my thumb to log in right so is that 100 secure? No But that is more secure than not having two-factor authentication and it can be done on the device If you can do that on my desktop now as well If you could do that on my laptop as well if you can get browsers to support it We could be moving towards a world where all of this ridiculous password management starts to go away And that's a future I would like to explore I don't think we're there yet But this to me is so heartening because it's a step on popularizing this so that people get used to it and go Oh, okay, ubi key. I'm used to that and now when they say well now it's built in to your device You know, okay, it's just now. I don't have to actually stick the thing in there anymore. Great Yeah, I I'd be uh up for that for sure And I mean even the ubi key as long as when I stick it into the the usb port It doesn't install for 15 minutes and try to find the thing. No, there's no drivers. No software. That's the best part about it All of that happens in the browser If the if chrome is built to handle it. It just looks at the key and goes. Oh, okay. That's your public key. Great. Thanks so so chrome Is built to to see the usb port directly and it doesn't need any driver. It's built to recognize the ubi key Yeah, right, right, but I mean the the computer itself doesn't need to to do something to recognize the ubi key No, it doesn't need to install drive. Okay. Well, then, you know, I think it might indeed be interesting And if that paves the way for something even better, which is this arcane uaf thing you've been talking about I can get on board All right, now we will wait for the emails to tell us what we missed But that no, that's good. I think I think it's great that google's doing this You know, I don't want to uh be a google fanboy here We should also point out that duo security announced Authentication support for utf today as well. They're an enterprise level security firm They have a ton of big clients That's almost a bigger announcement than google because it's going to put a little more of this in implementation Across devices, but it's great for consumers that google is doing this now not just for their corporate center But but for you as a regular user And it's it to be fair It's it's usually that kind of thing that starts is it's like apple doing apple pay This could start and and google has been incredibly influential in the browser Space so it could completely start a radical movement For security in general. So yeah, that's that that would be good Uh, let's take a look at the calendar tomorrow, wednesday october 22nd as twitter's mobile development conference in san francisco I think it's the first mobile developer conference called twitter flight Which certainly doesn't sound at all like twitter fight twitter fright because it is like over And tomorrow we get earnings from at&t and yelp Our pick of the day is appropriately enough an authenticator the geoth authenticator This one comes from steven funkhauser. He says I agree with your skepticism about using a tool like aughty That syncs your second factor authentication keys between machines Security and convenience are always at odds as we were just talking about and in this case We don't know enough about aughty to trust them blindly. So I personally use geoth authenticator as a chrome extension There's a fire fox one available as well It's open source with a public repo on github stores your key data locally. So only you have it I also like to back up the text version of my second factor keys in last pass in the notes section under each account record Thanks for a wonderful and insightful podcast. Oh, well, that's very nice of you, steven So there you go. There's it if you're not using uber key or you need to use an authenticator for a bunch of other sites That don't use uber key. Uh, you might want to check out geoth authenticator for fire fox and or chrome The only problem I see there is that you need to be in front of your computer To use the authenticator, right? Well, that was the uh, that was the the complaint that we were responding to right Was the people like well, I don't want to use my phone for that or I don't have a phone It's like well, here you go. Here's another here's another authenticator that you can use Send your picks to feedback at dailytechnewshow.com and you can find my picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks We should get a pick section together for you patrick and think about that till just now send me some picks I will uh, strive to get more picks. Oh, by the way, one of my I guess you you discussed it before but one of my uh, all-time favorite picks, uh, um, alien blue, which is a reddit client for ipad And which I was advocating for Uh, reddit to buy has been They listened to you thought last very happy I don't know if they listened to me, but they saw the greatness that I described right as well Our messages of the day. We got three of them. Uh, let's get through them here The first one comes from steven in melbourne australia with a plea tom jenny and awesome guest This is steven from melbourne australia in regards to apple pay Australia's been set up for apple pay for quite a few years. We've had nfc at nearly all cash registers in petrol stations convenience stores supermarkets The banks all support chip in pin in all the credit cards I think except for american express which don't seem to have chips in their cards So launch apple pay in australia apple and um, you'll have lots of people using their new iPhone sixes and six pluses. Thanks Yeah, just having an fc capable terminals doesn't doesn't make apple pay work, does it? And it's it's also assuming he's saying Launch open australia and you'll have lots of people using apple pay That assumes that there are lots of people in australia Or that australia is a real country and that you're not just imagine against you Uh, tony b said i've been using google wallet for a while in australia. Sorry. I don't mean to yes Uh, tony b wants to wants to put in a vote for google wallet I talked about the first time I used google wallet and how it didn't work Perfectly out of the gate although it worked okay and how apple pay just worked ridiculously perfectly out of the gate yesterday tony b says i've been using google wallet for a while now and I love it I started using it to help budget money as I could just transfer funds from my checking account to my wallet balance I pay with nfc on my moto x at the local grocery store and it works quickly and easily for vendors that don't support nfc payments I have my physical google wallet card. I even pay my rent by transferring money from my account to my landlords You have a cool landlord. Uh, thanks, tony b. Yeah, you know what? I actually uh, have one of those google wallet cards As well. I never think to use it though. I have a problem google wallet doesn't work for me for some reason It's a personal problem It's user error. I think it's sure Well, it is I don't think you can say it's user error in this case. Um There's a lot of It works a lot for a lot of people. I'm sure but there is this Again, it has to be better. What is it then what is already in place in order for it to take off? Uh In the consumer space in general and I don't think google wallet has reached that level of convenience yet Well, tony would disagree with you tony saying look man. I just pulled my moto x at the grocery store and boom A pay and i'm gone I understand but I think it works for him. I'm not sure explaining all of this would work for a regular A regular person You know, I mean you have to set it up and then you have if it doesn't work You have the card then you also have to have the thing that has an fc and that has and I understand Apple pay is kind of the same But it's it's got that extra layer of acceptance and and universality and marketing It's a little well if there's that it's also a little quicker because it doesn't have to process the payment google wallet It's not just the token. It's also the storage of your value, right? And that makes a difference Sometimes for tony though apparently doesn't make a difference enough to make to matter, right? Here's one for you though. Mr. Apple pay fan John noon caster says okay. I was listening to you and jenny with your new tax accounting with tom and jetty in the post show Yesterday, how do you get a refund if you want to return an item bought with apple pay if there's no identifiable information? Now i've got my receipt from apple pay here right right here, right? So that's that's fine. This receipt looks just like any other receipt. It doesn't have my real credit card number Uh, they only has the last four numbers, but it it does it does exist, right? So I can show them the receipt show them the product the the trick is How are they going to know what credit card to refund to? And might get might You got a guess Well, I would say you need to find the transaction in your apple pay history somewhere to justify it I think if you've got the paper receipt, and I say I don't like these three oranges. I want to return them Uh, I I think you just you spend something else, right? Yeah, you show them the product you show them the receipt And then they say do you have the card that you use to buy it? You say no I used apple pay then probably I'm just guessing here And if this isn't true, this is the way it should work. They have a system that says, oh, okay. Well Uh authenticate your apple pay and then you'd get you'd get the same procedure as buying something It would say would you like to would you like to use apple pay? And you'd press your thumb down and then they would refund you the money that way. So that's your card Hmm. Yeah, probably it should it's an interesting question and yeah, I'm not Not sure. I'm sure we're gonna, you know, discover a bunch of inconveniences with apple pay as well. There's It's a new and different system as you know With all of these contact less payment things there are things that need to be worked out So not so much of a fan of apple pay on principle. I just want to you know, all right Out there out there because I just accused you of being one. So that's that's fair Well, thank you. Patrick Bayshad. 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See you tomorrow Addendum sub gone says from apple support the cashier can use the device account number to find the purchase and process the return Just like they would with a traditional card or debit card payment To see the last four digits of the device account number go to passbook tap the card and tap i I'm solved Boom. Thank you sub guns. Good research Communicator paul gannon. Actually I was very much in uh netscape communicator user I like to use uh netscape Communicator edit to work on my web pages because it was fast Even though I messed with the clover When's the first time you built a website? 1996 Wow, I think you wait, do you have what alpha released what Fighter alpha because I had a you did a fan site Yeah, a fan site about like translations of 95. Holy crap. I mean poop I didn't build web pages. I I was strictly on use net Uh before 1996 See I was using minitel ah Well not 1996. I guess you did the graphical web Like look if I want to go to the web, I can use links Why do I need to get a browser and pay ridiculous prices? For a non shell account a shell account gets me everything I need Gets me everything I need man. That was 25 year old Tom Merritt talking, right? I remember when I I first saw a web page It was magical Yeah, it was in 1992 on mosaic At university was amazing my first web page. I think was in 94 and it was imdb. I remember that I didn't I I didn't believe it was actually Uh Distant, you know, not local images being loaded. It was just mind-blowing. Yeah And then once I actually I gave up my nine dollar a month ccsi shell account and went for a an actual 26 6 I think modem is what I had and um Or 26 8 What is it was 14 4? 28 point 28 6 28 6 there we go Um, it wasn't a 14 for I was it was a 28 6 and then I um And then I actually created my my first website in 1996 So what was it find it? If you go to sub brilliant dot com Slash your peg 2.html I have preserved it although the images are all broken now So brilliant dot com slash your peg 2 y o u r p a g 2.html Oh, this is exciting Oh So brilliant has two ls. Yes two bs two ls Wow, that is a web page now. It used to have a brick background And then that broken image in the middle was a word that I had turned into an image so that it would stand out So what's it about it's parody news It was the parody news zine that I had done and then converted into a usenet group And this was its third incarnation as a website interesting Do I still have my old stuff? I Did find one of my tripod sites had been preserved at archive.org. We were we were looking at this stuff in the chat room after the show a while back Tripod sites. Yeah, did you ever use tripod? So it was like geocities. It's actually still around. It's a b2b site now Okay, no Yeah, so geocities when it went away, they didn't capture a lot of them for some reason Uh, but tripod They did Wait, I I found my old site. No kidding. No I have it on well, it's not on the web. No, you found it locally though Yeah, copy of it on your oh, it's so fancy I have like tables and And and images and wow wait, can I share this? We need a title too Oh, right. Yes, there's work But while you figure out sharing jenny, do we have a consensus title? Well, I love Sebbons's title where we're going. We'll need Metal roads that was by the way jenny's joke that she had written and then I'd taken out and then I stole So I just want to give her credit for that It's cool We also have hoverboard b o r e d from bio cow I'm also a fan of bio cows. Yeah, who beats expectations expectations Worms by cold dead heart a little bit And uh, phyto the key retriever yeah from ten back google's new security is fabulous I like that when I saw that one go by Fabulous. I love a good pun um Patrick, do you have a favorite? Honestly, I think I like where we're going. We'll need roads. All right. Let's um, yeah Because obviously we're not getting flying cars by twenty fifteen in any usable capacity Yeah, that's true. But I think the the hoverboard is the only one that actually matters Yeah, that's true It's not you Patrick. It's your kids So wait if I if I share my My um It gives you a choice. I think about whether you want to share a window or the your whole screen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I just want to make sure I'm not Yeah, I know Here's my home address and my bank account number and my French social security number And all of that Um, I am exporting files The files will export in approximately 28 seconds Why are you a robot? I don't know. Why would robots talk like that? That's the other question. Do you see the robot that is um, uh, uh, playing in a That's playing what? Uh playing a he was an actor in the play Oh, yes, I marked that for current geek actually Oh, like that's a good one. I have current geek Current geek Scott johnson is looking for someone who's available to be on current geek on friday He's probably gonna hate that. I said that's a bunch of people. He doesn't want all email him Um this friday Yeah What time? Late for you. Uh, it's 4 p.m. Pacific So like because two hours from now Two hours from now. Oh, wow. So it's 1 a.m. Yeah Because I'm um, I want to be doing other things at 1 a.m. On a friday like drinking I would imagine and I can't do that and do current geek if you're gonna be away I'm gonna be at a point in Switzerland. So we don't have to be super responsible on current geek. Um, yeah, no No, it's it's way late Yeah, probably not. Okay Can I do this Keep feeling fascination I think I just put my old website online Whoa You republished after all these years yes Everybody wants to know about autopilot. Yep. It'll come back. I was just typing fred It was seasonal every I'm sad remember how long you had to wait between those two seasons of breaking bad. Yeah, it's like that Except not as good I mean, nothing's as good as breaking. Why is it not working? Indexed up html. Did you overwrite french spin? No I wonder if recode is still down Recode was working for me. It's weird. All my sites worked fine and recode wouldn't load and it's still not. Oh, no Now it's loading slowly. Of course because you said something about it. Yeah I was like, ooh, did they get capitalization? But I think what you wrote there was great loading for me. You could you can just like leave out some of that tack Yeah, see my issue is because I'm Dumb when it comes to money and earnings and wall street stuff, which is why I'm probably no longer employed at yahoo anyway You know, I understand in theory what I don't understand it enough the wall street earnings things to be able to take things out To be able to substantively reduce it to a simple nice Sentence other than hold on to your pants. They beat earnings Right if you say hold on the pants and beat earnings This was their revenue This was their earnings per share and you did the right thing because they said this is their non gap And this is their non-gap you leave that like when they break it down like that It's hard for me to find. I was looking for the recode thing and I wouldn't load But it's just it's one of those things that like I don't intuitively know it well enough to simplify it into something That's human. Gotcha. Instead of wall street ease human. There is no human on wall street Right. I have the rich I have my site. It's online. I'm very excited. Oh, where do we go? Where do we go? Where do we go? Right. I'm going to put it in the chat room That right. Yes Right. This is the first website I ever built street fighter zero home page. Ooh in your background works So it looks uh, that's uh, I probably went to the site. This looks so familiar like just it's so of its time That's awesome. Yeah, isn't it and look at all like the images there's Street like technical sheet and like the image the titles like to know more about the game which is like super well rendered allen kim's f and q Official japanese name lists. I was so 1995 But isn't it it's really good for 1995, right? Like it's not a ton of animated gifs. There's no blink tags Like it's just it's like a well-designed page of its time. It's awesome Oh, I I was studying japanese and I did the official japanese names. I was distributing this on uh on On the news groups And so I have like the pronunciation for all the names of the moves in japanese and like I had so much time to to waste That's awesome So there you go This is my first web page and I have a web counter counter as well, which doesn't work. Oh, I think mine still works Really? Yeah, um, I don't know if it was on that your pegs. I don't think I'd add it yet But if you go to subriot.com slash news And then you click on one of the older archive pages like 2007 maybe no go back to Have to go back to 93 Yeah down in the bottom left. There's a sight meter Total page views of three hundred seventy two thousand nine hundred ninety four Average per day one That is the hardcore stuff Sight, thank you. Come is still around. That's crazy for appreciating this effort Thanks taxicab That's the other thing I would have put in now that the wall street journal has put theirs out is about the mobile sales uh Numbers that they put out for the first time and that it was you know a small number But they project a bigger number, you know like mobile and and also that's that's Like the icing like that would have been great to have that. I don't feel bad that it wasn't there But yeah, you're identifying the right Like push it up a notch kind of thing. I mean those are so funny because this is actually the one company. I know yeah Display was down five percent. Oh no That's because the big the big thing if you identify the big thing was the cash Like what are you guys going to do with the cash marissa? Because we want you've got all this cash and we don't think you're spending it right with all your acquisitions Um, so yeah Still a marissa meyer fan You know and that's saying something today's a big moment for her See I told you it could work No, I'm I'm being marissa meyer You know what she showed up uh on a tennis court in our santa monica office like eight months pregnant And spoke because like some bigger conference room inside was booked by some massive event Talked to us for two hours and he answered like everybody's questions and I just thought all right. I'm buyin So that's my marissa meyer inside for today So if you want to win jenny over you have to speak to her for two hours on a tennis court Is what the screen is yeah while pregnant. First of all step one get pregnant Step two find a tennis court Okay, what else is going on? What I think I just published the podcast, but I forgot to check to make sure it was working right Totally boo Okay, it works That daily that news show Boy is leaving Thanks big jim. Hey, thanks sam for me big jim. Oh my gosh Still in there That was a dangerous sounding open um Oh, I'm taking over the post. Can I do it? Uh, yeah, hold on a second. Yeah, go ahead Yes saved community And that's still also pretty impressive So well big jim, then you're not gonna be able to uh win Jenny over if you're not gonna get pregnant just saying I believe the statement that you can take out of that is If you try really hard to communicate to all your people when you first show up And you don't just sit in some office and proclaim things But you really come down and you talk to all your people and answer all your questions Then I like you even if you lay me off There you go, that's our upbeat message of the day Uh by video folks hope you enjoyed this We will see you soon