 Not quite. I did do something exciting this weekend. I don't know if you guys did. Did you watch the splash count yesterday? Yes. Just saw the pictures. That was super cool. Oh, yeah. It was awesome. What? Yeah. It was a water park. In tribute. In Pensacola. There you go. Oh, nice. Nice. Yeah, that was cool. Game with character. Oh. Mario. I don't mean Mario. Oh. My God, it's full of stars. Yeah. Well, that part I can read, but I don't know where it's from. Yeah, what's that from? Dave Bowden. 2001 Space Odyssey. Movie. When he's going into the monolith at the end of the movie. My God, it's full of stars just before he disappears. How could you not watch the splash down, Sean? I mean, that was like historic. It was. I was watching my computer come together. Okay. Well, that was like that. Two cores of badass. Well, and just before we start here. So of course I have the space theme. Nice question. Yeah. So I just read an article like we saw how the US military released that video of that UFO that they tracked out over the Pacific. The oblong shape and that was cool, but there was some other non-news thing saying that it was kind of a partial statement that the US government sort of admitted to finding and will probably say soon be sharing details on alien spacecraft that were recovered or something. So yeah, it's part of that same statement of like, hey, the government is going to start releasing more and more of that info. But then the statements are kind of half baked. So you're like, yeah, what is it really? Yeah. They're out there. You're not my pulling in important transformative news from social media. Come on. Hal, you ever see any of that stuff flying over your place? UFOs? No, I haven't. Around your trailer park. Well, there's so much air activity here anyway. The thing of it is I'm my little house that's right in the pattern for Tucson International. So it doesn't 15, 20 times a day. I've got an aircraft either either landing over top of me or leading over top of me. So thank you for that. Re-enactment there. Yeah. Can we get that again? Wow, that was a lot happening there when you do it. Hey, well, thanks for everybody for coming. We do have some people that are watching the live stream already, but this is the Microsoft office hours. Yes. Hello. Thank you. Hello. What are we here to do? Yeah. So we have some questions. And just before you joined, Eric, I was mocking you for complaining about just receiving the questions. I didn't have time to prep. Am I supposed to be surprised by this? No, you are not. It's just a statement of fact. It wasn't really a mock. It wasn't really a complaint. It was a statement of fact, much like your responding statement of fact. That's right. Hey, I did actually review last week's the first half with you guys. Yeah, I'm sorry. I need to get back to you. And I did my task. Did you? I did my task. We assigned you a task? Yeah. Yes, we did. Female address. Oh, yes, yes. If you don't want it, don't ask for it. Exactly. It's like most things in my life. It arrives and I say, how did this get here? And then somebody has to remind me that I requested it. That's awesome. Thank you very much. Yeah. So that we just start sharing that out there broadly since we all now receive it, all the regulars here. And we'll add other people to the list. So we'll like, well, I probably won't ask. I'll just add Neil. So you can now email us with your questions as well. If you see these, so you can email us anytime during the week, but office hours at collabtalk.com. And it will reach the panel, all of us. And so we should be able to respond to those questions, which we may have already answered in advance. We can then, you know, discuss in the next week's call. So, yeah. Does that mean we'd like arrived if we now have an email address for our little sparae we do here? I think it only means we can spam. Oh, yeah. No, I think the definition of having arrived though would be that we have office hours, t-shirts or hats. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. Yeah, that's big. So what, what Christian means by that is just to be clear for those that are tuning in. If anybody wants to, anybody wants to support the collab talk. Where's this going, Rich? The conclusion of office hours. You know, put your logo on the back and good fun, exciting things on the front. Mostly planning can go right on the back. I've got the perfect artwork. We could just extend the sticker. Oh, boy. That would be a good one. Yeah. So that would be a fun one. Yeah, we could do. So before we get into the question and answer section of the program today, I wanted to ask how many of you, as I'm looking at you guys, have played with together mode in teams? No, truly. Nope. I don't even think it's available in my sub yet. Al's got it together. So I've got it. I've got it. You guys have to throw. Yeah. I'm using it right now. You guys are all in it. So I'm going to take a photograph. So how about that? Everybody smile. Smile or whatever that was. So we're on it right now for the recording. Your phone is here. It blocks it out, Eric. Hold on. Just a minute. Oh, wow. That's really weird. OK. I'll work on that. I can't post the picture. So that's good. So we're posted. So right now, Sean and I are in the back row, and then three of you are in the middle row. That's right. There is a switch you have to throw if you've got to get the other mode and the separate meeting pop out to work. If you go into settings, general, there's a new checkbox at the bottom called turn on new meeting experience. New meetings and calls will open in separate windows. Requires restarting teams. You click that. Restart teams, and then you'll have the gallery mode. What does together mode get you? It gets you a stadium seating like view of all your participants. If you want to see a shot, go into the Office 365 community, and that's what we're live streaming right now. Yeah. But don't actually flip the switch right now, because then you have to restart teams. Yeah. Keeper did this over the weekend for the NBA game. Yeah. So for those who are watching the NBA games, this is what they're doing for the fan experience. Yeah, I thought it was cool. Compared to watching the baseball players with their cardboard cutouts, that team's display was slick. I really liked that. Yes. I agree. Or you can watch the hockey games where they have all of the, because of the camera angles, they have to have all the seats there. Otherwise, it's too close. You would be able to experience the game. So they just covered them all up, which looks totally natural, of course. Eric, is that ice hockey you're talking about? Ice hockey. The very same. Ice hockey. All right. The national hockey league actually. Before we jump to the list of questions, so we have one that was just asked a question. Yeah. So there's TLS having issues, not being able to send email to microsoft.com only when TLS set to require, set to required. Thoughts on it. I'm thinking it's a transient blip. TLS has not been required in the past. What did you say it was? Because that sounded like something that you could use penicillin to clear up. A transient blip. I had that one. It's awful. I'm pretty sure ticks carry that. The machine that goes ping. Yeah. Basically encrypting the email message when it goes. Typically, you need SMTP encryption or authentication to get stuff relayed. But not to just send out of your domain and whatnot. So I'm not sure what's going on there, Wasif. How about you, Mr. Nelson? And considering, I'm thinking exchange server protocol, that really doesn't end in the picture anyway. No. Unless he's trying to set something up SMTP or IMAP. Yeah, or POP. Yeah. POP. Oops. Pretty calm. I think that has. Pretty up here in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That was that was odd. It's almost like a white noise machine. Yeah. Almost somebody rubbing up against the mic. But he got it. All right. Bye. Yeah. Don't go there. Don't go dog. All right. So we've got some other questions here. Let's jump to. Keep it clean. What? Keep it clean. I was just reminding everybody to keep it clean. Thank you. Thank you, Eric. We really appreciate that. Yeah. Language. And now that I've provided my one piece of value for today, I'm going to say goodbye. We got a couple of really long questions here. This one is from Andrew says, I work from home and I have a license for 365, which covers five devices and has it installed in three PCs. Just put a new SSD, my main PC and reinstalled office, but can no longer add my works email account. So he goes through that he's tested out. You guys have the email with the description here. Enter the email address and password. Keep coming up with something went wrong and outlook couldn't set up your account. So he's tried adding count via outlook inverted via control panel. It worked fine on PC. He reinstalled Windows 10 in office. His stumped his company IT department. So he says I also have office 2019 that I installed after removing 365 is still have the same problem. All updates are done for Windows 10 and outlook. Webmails unaffected as can access the email via a browser or personal Gmail accounts and your work fine and outlook but can't add the work email. Any ideas? So there was a cash. There was a tool a while ago that Microsoft put out. That was the part of who's at the outlook connectivity tool kit or troubles. Yeah, it's like a diagnosis tool. That's a remote connectivity analyzer. Yeah, something like that. I'm sorry to have to Google and try and remember what it was, but I remember I saw. Yeah, I saw the similar issue by putting in the email address into this tool and then it went out and it gave you a full diagnostic of how it was trying to communicate to 365 and then he would come back and say that, you know, password incorrect or at password required, you know, MFA is a name of all that kind of fun stuff. I don't know if he's tried that to help links in the chat right now. That's connectivity.microsoft.com test forward slash 0365. True that Mr. Nelson. That tool is good. It looks at your account from the client side, you know, checks out whether your password might be locked. If your tokens line up, all that sort of stuff. The other is to dump. If you added the account to Windows, you might just try taking it out of Windows and adding it to office. And then adding it back to Windows or deleting the token that's stored within the operating system. Sometimes those get out of sync and I know with multiple IDs on my machine, I oftentimes get into a situation where I'll be supplying the correct password and it'll just barf on me. This reminds me, I mean, a while back it was... Yeah. When it first started to have problems, it auto-discovered because auto-discovering was a pita, you know, it was always a scheme auto-discoverer, it was just a pain. And that causes a lot of problems. I know if it's not set up correctly in DNS and all that kind of fun stuff. Yeah. I know the syskit tools people have asked me, you know, what one thing could they do to make Office 365 better or more manageable in terms of tools? I'm like, if you could do something that would let users know the status of all their services, like just a little dashboard or something, so that a user, a plain old user can look at it and see green, green, green, red, yellow, green, green, something like that. That would be worth its weight in gold. But I know that's chasing a dragon. You can get it for now, but you wouldn't be able to necessarily future-proof it. Okay. Yeah, it sounds like a third-party partner tool opportunity. Indeed, it does, Christian. Yeah. And there's also another business idea that we have developed. Sorry, Hal, what did you say? I said there's also Microsoft support and recovery system that you can download that will also help with health look issues, connectivity issues. Yeah, usually that's after the flames go down. Yeah. Smoking pile. All right. Next question up. Steve asks, I'm dealing with the user issue in which one particular participant in a nine-person meeting is not being able to see all the other participants' cameras, even though all cameras are on. The other members of the meeting can see each other's cameras. Has anyone had this issue? Going to troubleshoot by turning on the new meeting experience and clear the team's cash. Have you had that where the cameras are on and it's not seeing? If it affects one person, it's probably their connection, one person not being able to see anything that everybody else can see. So you seem to turn it off and on again. Yeah. Check the power. I didn't wear that t-shirt today, but yeah. Yeah. I mean, I got to admit that the first and the last couple of weeks, two weeks, my webcam has been really flaky. And I've had to switch over to my other webcam because teams is coming back saying, I don't see your camera, even though the lights are on. I mean, I got a blue halo light, you know. The Logitech thing. Yeah. Yeah. Teams come back and says, it has a message across the top says, can't use your camera. You know, your camera's not available, whatever. They have to switch. So, I mean, you kind of troubleshoot it down to a single user or one person that's having the issue, obviously. So that's, I'd find out if they're, maybe they have another camera they can try. I would take it back a step to, sorry, Sean. I take it back a step to, are they on desktop? Are they on the web? Try their phone. Yeah. Even try their phone and see if they can get that thing to work. I know the Logitech cameras, there is a resolution to a nagging regular problem that sometimes, well, nagging regular problem that sometimes shows up, a sometimes problem that when it shows up, it renders your camera unusable. I'm getting there. By switching the driver, the more generic USB driver, Logitech driver, often times that'll re-enable the cable, camera, not cable. Got all kinds of wires crossed today. It rhymed better, re-enable the cable while wearing my sable. I am unable to perform complete sentences. She got a hook, a virtual hook. Like the gong show. I think we've already accomplished the gong show. One of the thought, too, is if you do have multiple cameras, is make sure that you have the right one selected. We've talked about it in a few different sessions, how the lie that was plug-and- play, it's, I think it's... Look at the gray. Yeah. I mean, the reality is that if you're switching during your day, you're switching between applications and teams. It works like this, too, is that you have the settings right and go and turn off and come back to the applications and the settings could revert back to previous settings. So if you have multiple, that's another cause, because that's happened with me where I go in. I only use this as my primary. I have a secondary one that I just unplug to keep life simple when I'm not using it because it seems to default to that crappier, older Logitech and doesn't stick with my primary. Another thought, too, is if it's a USB camera, selective USB suspend and power save, sometimes those features, if enabled, will cause cameras to go offline and other devices to not function properly. So you might check those settings. That's typically accessed through Device Manager for the item you're looking at. I red-jetted on the power level for USB. That requires a red-jetted. So, I mean, you can flip the switch inside of the control panel, but it doesn't get flipped in registry. So when you reboot, it doesn't take effect. That was a common issue with early builds of Windows 10. But you should be able to access it through Device Manager, assuming you've got the necessary rights on your system. In Device Manager, I don't think you can change settings for it, though, because you just bring up the information for the device. Actually, you can. Device Manager, yeah, you can report on things in many of the hardware items that have drivers that have setable properties. You can get another tab for those devices. Yeah, I'm just saying that if it doesn't in early builds, like 1809, they had a problem where you had changed inside of power. You could say USB devices can go to sleep. It was under sleep or something like that. Right. You change that to hop or false or whatever it was. And then you reboot. It wouldn't stick. Oh, okay. Registry edit was required. So, yeah, I apologize. I was thinking of, you know, control panel into the power, not control panel in Device Manager. Yeah. Well, who's on 1809 anyway? You would believe there are many companies that are still on 1809. And that's just because they can't, they can't, they can't go as fast as other, you know, they're not even in 2004 is like another year away from them. Yeah. My wife right here right now should be going, LTSP. LTSP. I mean, that's, it's, that's what you're going to do. I got it. Yep. From the kitchen. So I have a related question on that. If I could go for it. When I go into my device settings on teams, it has a camera profile under audio devices because my camera is obviously can do audio, right? You have webcams that can do audio. But when I want to use my other camera, all I can do is use the custom setup. So why, why do they have, I mean, how does teams and you know, maybe I'm going too deep here, but it's how does teams actually create these setups? I mean, if the first box says audio devices and then you can pick a setup. Yeah. I think it's maybe selecting a particular driver set. And that driver registers a profile for communications versus just like audio listening or something like that. And if the driver registers a profile set, you can select that as an audio device and it'll repopulate the speaker and microphone. It almost seemed like a profile type thing because I should be able to change. It's almost like, you know, you want to, you want to have your speaker and your microphone and your camera. And then there's even the app settings, the theme, you know, dark light, whatever. That should be like a profile. Yeah. You know, it should be, it should be able to just hit that dropdown and be able to change it, whatever you want. Well, I found it's very forced gumpish. Yeah. Box of chocolate, you know. You turn on teams, you never know what you're going to be talking into or what's going to be listening. Teams is like forced gump. That's why I have the other device unplugged. But yeah, it's interesting that I have like my speaker options. That's a great point, Mike, because I have, so both of my white monitors Power of coffee. Have speakers. You don't know what it's like. That I can use. But I've actually, I've actually had the experience where it's pulled the microphone from my Logitech. I used the, just to the side here, I used my USB mic. But it has in the past pulled my mic from the, from the Logitech. I don't know if it only recognizes that when I have my USB mic unplugged. Because it doesn't even show up as a microphone option. Although it has defaulted to that on occasion. Yeah. Do you guys have discrete sound cards? Yeah. No. Motherboard sound. We don't, I don't use sound cards. My sound card specifically said it's indiscreet. So it tells everything to everyone. I'm trying to determine if these are USB devices if you're using an onboard, you know, real tech chipset or something like that. Because I think that affects it too. That sounds made up, Sean. Come on. Yeah. Christian, Christian, was that you, was that, was that the experience you were talking about there? Yeah. That's why I'm sitting here. Uh oh. Somebody's like, we're bingo. Oh, we're giving everybody an experience right now, that's for sure. Hey, there was a question coming up here. We might need back up some further inquiry here. But Zoe, in the comments in the live stream says, how to copy contents of earlier event into another new event. And. Event is in for teams? Yeah. So I'm assuming live event in teams. Copy contents. Yeah. Copy paste in a notepad and then copy it back. Yeah. I mean, you can't, I mean, in Zoom, you can actually create a template. Right. So you create a meeting template that has all the settings and you just change the title or you change, do whatever. I don't think you can do that in teams yet. Has there been any discussion about, um, of adding that kind of meeting templates in teams? I've not, I'm not aware of any that might be a user voice around that. I don't know. I don't place that much value on meetings. Oh, boy. It's kind of nice. Like the whole, the whole, the recurrent recurring meeting where, you know, it might be with different groups of people. Right. So a training meeting as an example that I do every month in the, in from a corporate standpoint is I want to use the same template, but I don't want to call the same name and it's not going to the same people. Yes. I want those two to be variables that I can plug in and have everything else. Static. I always, I always use it as an example, um, uh, project management organization. One of the things that when I used to consult and build out PMOs for companies, uh, and advise them on, you know, understand their methodology, all of their standard documentation, all that kind of stuff. It, as it translates into a, a SharePoint and then a Teams world is create these templates for every new project, every new product site that's created has the same channels, has the same tabs, has the third party apps. Uh, you might also then want to create templates around those meetings. So have specific, you know, scrum sessions, have, uh, design reviews, things like that. You might want to structure. So there are a lot of companies that are that, uh, organized and want to have that dictated so that you think about that. If I go into any recording of a product review and that the, the format of those meetings are similar enough that I'm confident that two years down the road I can go in and I had a client that was like this. It was in the pharmaceutical. It had hundreds of different products that they, this was just in the SharePoint world. But you go into any one of the, uh, subsites for each of those individual projects, uh, products. And it was exactly the same outline. So I knew where to go to see the ingredients. All the team meeting minutes. Everything was run the same way. Uh, it was, it was very organized. Nobody's got their stuff together. Yeah. All right. Uh, let's see. Um, yeah. So I, so we, that's the answer to that question is, uh, you can't. We know, Sean. Sean, you just disappeared and reappeared. My sticker. One of my stickers. Oh. Um, all right. So let me jump back over to the next question. Um, so here's another longer one that think this is the longest of the questions for the day, but it's a good question. Uh, it's a SharePoint permissions question. So it's from Dave. Already has it on there says, but I'm posting to try and get an idea of how other people are approaching the problem of assigning permissions in the modern SharePoint online world. Uh, since we now aim to build sites composed of many site collections rather than subsites, managing permissions needs to be centralized in Office 365. Otherwise we end up managing permissions across many site collections. That just seems less of a question and just very soap boxy, very preachy. Um, it was more of a statement. Yes. Uh, so the approach we've been taking is to create Office 365 security groups and add these groups to SharePoint permission groups. Sometimes the security groups are nested so far, so good. However, I'm running into real problems with the reliability of this approach. For a start, there's a long delay on adding users to the Office 365 security groups and the user getting access to SharePoint, presumably some time sync happening behind the scenes. Secondly, the check permissions function in SharePoint is either massively unreliable or some permissions are not getting added at all. No matter how long I leave it, some users added through security groups never show up as having permissions. We'll experience that this leads to user being temporarily dropped directly into SharePoint groups and hence security governance takes a hit. Has anyone else encountered this? Do you have advice to give? Yes. All right. Good answer. All right. Next question. Check. Check. Security groups in SharePoint are good. You've got to watch the level of nesting in your groups. Adding groups into groups becomes very convenient, you know, in an inception sort of way to get groups of people access within SharePoint. But many different pieces of SharePoint don't necessarily dig down to the lowest level in which you might have a group nested. So it's not going to recursively parse your permissions ACLs. You get to a group, it might see a group and say, okay, this group has access blah. But if a user is in that group and it doesn't go so far as to resolve the user, you might have a problem. So it depends. Here we go again. It depends. It depends on where you're seeing the problem. I mean groups, the idea of security groups and, you know, now that we're in Office 365, it's Azure security groups or Office 365 groups. On-prem it was AD groups. AD groups into SharePoint security groups. You're simply placing the burden of administration of security on the AD admins rather than the SharePoint folks. And there's nothing wrong with that. Every organization has different ways of doing it. But the level of nesting is what I'm getting to here is it's, you got to watch that how far down you try to do this. Does that make sense? At points. You don't want to be inside of a group, inside of a group, inside of a group that is added to a group that is added to a something. See, that was a short answer. You could have just gave that, we could have moved on. But that's okay, you know. I'm sorry, Mike. If we had known that 20 minutes ago, then we'd all be living a different life right now. So we'll ask. Here we are. The atrocity of verbosity. We'll die for you. Let's all take a moment and pray after that one. And hey, before we jump to the next question, I know that, so we had answered early on Wasif and Tamir. If you've got any follow-ups, I know you guys have asked a couple of questions. I'm not sure if we addressed any of those follow-up questions. So feel free to ping us again. And again, those that are watching, you can also email the group, this panel, at officeoursatcollabtalk.com. And you can email us anytime during the week and we'll respond. And the question will be how soon we'll see like, hey, would you like to pay for our lead gen service, our email list? Oh yeah, that's good. Yeah, so that'd be great to see. All right. So I know that we don't typically handle the telephony calls because we don't have any telephony folks on here. My telephony experience ended in 2001. I spent the first decade of my career in the telecom space, most of it the telecom space. Yeah, there goes Hal. Justin, yeah, he's just not make himself available for that. That would actually be kind of a funny thing, like turn off our camera for those questions that we don't want to purchase. The screen's gone blank. I actually do that on family Skype calls and we usually every Sunday and my kids and their spouses and some of my in-laws and stuff on there and somebody will say like, hey dad, to me is like, can you do something for me and I'll just turn off my camera? Dad? Yeah. All right, so Justin asks anyone else have trouble adding phone lines to teams and getting no location even though I've created several locations. He says, I am in a Gucci environment. I don't know what that means. If he works for Gucci or if he's something the kids say now that oh, it's so Gucci. It's posh. They got a really fancy phone. I don't know. Does Gucci make a phone? Is there a license add-on I need for this? That's one aspect that teams I haven't played with yet. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. We need to get Jonathan McKinney or Adam Ball or one of the UC people that live and breathe this telephony stuff or maybe we can get Tom or Buthnot on this and all three of those people, you can go and Google them and look them up all three MBPs and we'll likely be able to answer that question in like 30 seconds. So, sorry, Justin. Yeah. We're not phone guys. We're not. But I just gave you three names of people that you can definitely help you. I don't know, but I know someone who will. Exactly. Dwight asked the question can anyone direct me on how to see who attended a meeting? Ideally, I'm starting looking for a report that I can download to Excel but would be okay with anything. And I know that there are a lot of requests for additional analytics for meetings and live events. I don't know where that is. Yeah. Let me go to roadmap. Yeah, and a live meeting and you can do it. But you can't do it in a regular meeting, my understanding. So a live meeting you have to input or allow those email addresses to be stored. But I don't know how to extract them. I know that when I attended a live meeting via teams, they said that they had collected all the email addresses of the people that attended. I don't know how they did that though. Yeah. And the other thing that's going on too is because I was asking questions around teams analytics and planner, some of the data that's captured around planner was told by product team member that a lot of things that I was asking for were being captured but were not yet exposed through the graph through the API. So, there are future plans and yeah. Everything is being captured, Christian. I mean, either our video, our audio, everything, our chance, that's all being you know, that's all data that's being put on a hard drive somewhere. Oh, I know but it's Amazon with the device that's over there across the room. That's where we say the A in our house. Yeah, the A. You have to be careful. I won't say their names out loud because then they will wake up and bad things will happen. Yeah, so the answer to that is you know, anything on the roadmap? Did you see anything shown? Updated feature this is already launched. Usage reports will add access for admin rules, productivity score updates, e-discovery, but nothing more specific. So, yeah. There was a thread. It was two, three weeks back conversation that was happening on one of the MVP lists, but I'm just not aware of anything public. We all know a bunch of the analytics people, the Power BI folks from the community, fellow MVPs who are watching these things very closely and I know this is one of those things where I if we are not sure if something's been released, that's because it's not been released because the fanfare would have been huge around it. I think we'd all know. But somebody let us know if we're incorrect there, if there is info out there. We have a broader list right now. If I see anything, I'll let you know. Yeah, we've got quite a few folks that are watching in multiple locations on the live stream. So, if you do have any questions, let us know. Otherwise, I'll jump just jump in if you find something, Sean, but I'll move on to the next one. Sure. So, here's, so we had some similar repeated questions, but that's all fine. That's fine. James asks, does anyone know a way of automatically adding custom tabs onto a channel the moment it's created? I have a client asking to have specific tabs added to every channel no matter who adds them to their team. There's plenty online about how to create channels programmatically, but I can't find a way of triggering something like this. So, here's the difference, though, because most of the feedback on this question was, well, yeah, you can go create templates for teams and there are things that are available that are out there. Yes, but this is specifically talking about when somebody adds a new channel and so I'm assuming that's anywhere. I don't believe that you can have an automatic trigger or template specifically for a channel. It would have to be at the new creation of the team to create those channels and the tabs that would be attached. Once it's created and people are in there using it, if I go add a new channel, it will not then automatically go and add those other components. Channels are maintained as folders, right? Backend implementation SharePoint is one point. Yep. So, I'm thinking you could hotwire a power automate to respond to a folder creation event in SharePoint and potentially capture that data and move it along in a process if you want. I'd have to see what it's doing, but I think you might be able to do that. It's probably not the prescribed use, but the off-brand use. I know a couple of companies who have it's not hot-wiring. They've just customized some provisioning services and wired some of that stuff in, just like when every time a channel is created, the mirror image is created through one note. So, I don't know, Buckley, what's the best practice here? Do you want to should I drop a hint as to who is doing it? Do you want it? Does that user want it? That's fine. Whatever you're comfortable with sharing. I am so comfortable. I'd reach out to Peter Carson at Envision IT because I know they're doing a ton of customization there to better the experience all around. Peter and team are doing a bunch of webinars and stuff. In fact, you guys just did that for the webinar and that. Is that recording out there yet? Not yet. I didn't see it come through, but that will be a good one to point people towards. There's a lot of interesting stuff that's happening around the provisioning process. So, it sounds like you can create something in theory. If anybody's done this, what we're talking about is based on the creation of a new folder, go and create new tabs within the related channel. I'd like to see it working. It's dubious advice from Sean yet again. I'm proven I don't have the back alley. That's what this is though. This is all back alley help, right? Five finger discount. That's right. Let's see how we do it on time. We've got another 15 minutes. So, Roman asks a quick question and even phrased it as quick question. No such thing Roman, but thanks for trying. Is it possible to get email notifications when there is a new comment and an assignment on Planner? Wow, that's deep. No comments. I don't know what the event model is for Planner. I don't think it's not a collab platform, so I don't know. Yeah, but you can, but if you follow an item. You guys move on to the next question. I'll go see if I can do it. Okay, good. Come back to that one. Yeah, so all right, we'll come back to that in a second Roman. We'll ask the question. Is there any way to alter the team's live event URL so that it skips dead air at the beginning of a recording? So, for example, starts to playback 5 minutes in. They don't support media or in media links today. I wouldn't think. So, I think the simplest solution here is, well, you're talking about the recording that's over in stream, go and edit out the dead space. Then hit save. So, I'm not sure if maybe you've not described it fully the scenario, if it's different than that, but that would be my advice is to edit the video. I did like the question. Was it last week? Week before last? When, and by the way, folks, we've been doing this. This is our 20th episode, 20th week of doing this. I know, crazy, huh? So, forgive me if I don't remember. It could have been three months ago, for all I know. We were talking about the permissions around editing and kind of what are the best practices for that. Somebody asked a follow-up question. I couldn't find it just to me individually asking about best practices for giving control for editing and that's one of those however you want to set up your permissions and allow people to do it or not, but generally it's the content owner, the meeting owner who captured the recording that owns the permissions of editing that item unless you have co-presenters, co-organizers that have that admin capability. But, yeah, I think that guys remember that question, somebody was asking and was like, well, what's kind of the protocol with giving employees anybody within the org the ability to go and edit video? Like, why would you do that? Yeah. Only give edit rights where necessary. Yep. Still need any more time, Eric, still playing around with that? Yeah, a quick answer is no. So, no? No. I'll ask the question again, is it possible to get email notifications when there's a new comment in the assignment? No, when you assign it, but you could follow that that item, can't you? You, well, so the... So if you've been assigned to that you had to get a notification that you have to be assigned to get a notification but you won't update you on additional comments. Right. I don't know if that you could go in there and create if there's some flag or something or other that you'd even be able to go in there and create a power automate for a notification. Where there's a wall, there's a way. That would be another interesting thing to go and prove out. In our copious free time. Yeah, we'll do that. We'll take care of that later. Sarah asks, hey guys, is there a way, is there a way to stop kids from kicking others out of meetings? Please let me know. Thanks. And I you saw my comment in the email so I captured a bunch of the questions that people are asking out in the community and I emailed the team here and I wrote the comment this is, this one is funny. Not because the person asking is not aware of the admin controls but because some of her kids or students that sounds like have figured out how to kick other people out. So the mistake that's made here is that these kids that are dialing in have the admin control to be able to boot people from the meeting. They should be members and not admins, organizers. And that's the problem. Don't give them the keys. That's really funny. It's like these kids that had meetings for school they figured out how to change their background to trying to connect or something like that or lost connection or something. It said reconnecting but it only had one N. Oh yeah, reconnecting. Yeah, don't have a typo in your reconnecting message. That's hilarious. That's like when you get those cool teachers when a kid writes something really funny like that just clever and you just like, okay, I've got to recognize them. You get by one time I'll give you a passing grade but just because it's so funny and clever. I remember where I was in, I think I was in fourth grade, fifth grade. I just did not want to go to school that day. I don't even remember the reason but I went and all the chaos in the morning I went and grabbed my blanket in my pajamas and went behind the couch and there was a heating vent and I just kind of fell back asleep on the, I did this intentionally and then at like 10 a.m. went upstairs and it's just my mom home and I'm like why didn't anybody wake me up? Yeah, man, I ended up at school that day anyway. The scheming started early. Didn't quite work out. I thought you were going to say I think I have a fever. Because if you fall asleep on the heating vent it's only one step above putting underneath a lamp, right? Visions of Ferris Bueller here. So again, one of my kids they all loved school and never had that problem but I always thought if they came up with something that brilliant and they were able to get away with it that point, so I'd be like today's fine. You're at school tomorrow and you're grounded but good on you. A for effort? That's right. E for execution. That's right. Yeah, so Sarah I'm sure you've had 50 people tell you that it's just changed the permissions that they don't have the ability to shut others out. That's so funny though. Syed has a question I'm trying to add a custom word template in SharePoint online using the add template option. However, this new added template is only working for myself and for everyone else only blank web pages opened. I really appreciate if you can kindly guide me in the right direction. Also, I've noticed that other users can't even open the document created through this template from admin user. I don't think it could be a permission issue. Could this be? Sounds like a permission issue. I think the problem with it is that it's not a permission issue. I think Harlan used to say nine out of 10 times. You got a problem in SharePoint. It's permissions the other time. It is permissions. They just didn't realize it. Yep. That sounds like a very that sounds classic permissions. Sounds classic Harlan and classic permission. Two for two. A problem with the way that it's deployed or just the settings that it's only allowing admins. Well where's the document you need to know where the document is and who's got access to it. Does everyone have access to it or the template? I mean, that's the starting point. I'd make sure that everyone has access to it. If you've got it in any sort of restricted permission group, then that's going to limit who can use the template. I would go down that route. It smells like suspicion. It smells like permissions. Smells like teen spirit. I'm sorry, Sean. What does it smell like? As Christian said, teen spirit. Teen spirit. I thought so. Now I want to listen to Nirvana. I was just thinking that. I was like telling people a story that said my band back in 92 I think where we played club and we had twice the size of the audience as Nirvana the night before us. They ended up slightly more successful than us though. I'm thinking, yeah. So apparently not everybody knows the work of my cat Jeffrey. No. My cat Jeffrey. Yep. Yeah. I'm not going to ask. You're a lead singer. That was the lead singer. Krispy Kreme. Krispy Kreme. Krispy Kreme. Come on. If you were in Canada would that make you DJ Tim Horton? Oh boy. I think you may have another. So I do have three of the my cat Jeffrey songs that are over on my SoundCloud. My personal SoundCloud. Yeah. The crap recordings that are from that same venue where we played with the night before Nirvana. Our biggest claim to fame is we were one of the opening bands for cake. So it was towards the end of our careers there. I did that for about three three and a half years and I kind of miss that. I always credit people that I know about all of you but received I've had people ask this like, don't you get nervous up on stage and presenting and I don't. I feel very comfortable up on stage but a lot of that kind of got burned out of me that fear from being in the band. I suspect it would have to be. You think, yeah. I've probably not gotten that question. I get the question all the time too. Yeah. Yep, quite a bit, especially after you you know when you're having a talk like at Ignite or something like that and you get some folks that come up and ask you questions but then you're just kind of walking through the halls and people will be like Hey, I saw you talk, you know, blah blah blah and they like, I've always wanted to do that and I'm like get up there and do it. I'd be too afraid. I'd be too scared. Well, statistically the two the two greatest fears in life are death and public speaking. Yeah. This whole thing about imagining people naked, you're talking to it, that doesn't work. Certainly doesn't work right now guys, I can tell you. It doesn't work at tech conferences because you know 90%, 95% of the audience is male. But if it did, there'd be nothing wrong with that. Riz, just so you know, you weren't on that recording, but we did have an episode with Neil if everyone recalls where Neil Hodgkinson was a bit too revealing. Yes, indeed. Did I blur it out? No, I covered it with memes. That's right. Yeah, you wanted to do something with it. I memed it out. Yes. Yeah. All right. Well, we got a couple minutes left. What else is happening this week? And for those that are watching, we'll be back again tonight at 6pm Pacific for another second half the Asia-Pacific half of this session, but everybody's welcome if you're awake and have questions. You can of course send us any of your questions to officehoursatcollabtalk.com and we'll get to those as we receive them. Anything else happening this week that's noteworthy gentlemen? I'm hearing there's going to be some announcements coming out about Ignite very soon. It's about time. For those who, you know, it's what, six weeks away, so that's as good a time as any. But that's the rumor. Well, they waited until like two weeks before Inspire to really start promoting AWS and then was announced to be virtual this year too. So everything's virtual until next year, I guess. Yeah, GenCon just concluded I know it was virtual. However, I am on vacation next week so we're taking one car and we're traveling west into the Badlands. The problem is, is that Sturridge is going on at the same time that they can't cancel that. I don't know how they could with that crowd but so I made that mistake of traveling through that part of the world, not knowing what at that my first time through the region what Sturges was. Yeah, it should be interesting my wife made all the plans and then I'm like um you know to check and see that motorcycle rally is going on at the same time and she's like you know but you got your hotels and everything or are you going to camp? Yeah, she is. That was the issue when it was going on for people who don't understand what Sturges is Sturges is a town and it's the headquarters of Harley Davidson. Harley Davidson, yeah. They have their annual festival and there are bikers everywhere so my first time through there we tried to get a hotel on the road, traveling east in Billings, Montana and they were sold out everywhere. We went to like three or four different places called around and they're like, now everywhere is filled up and we said okay, well I can still drive for another hour or two, we'll go down into Wyoming and we'll find something that's out in the middle of nowhere. No, it got everybody so we stopped somewhere in Wyoming and I asked and I said, do you have anything available? He's like, are you kidding me? No, I was like, did you not look outside and like look at what outside? He's like, the motorcycles everywhere and I said, yeah, I noticed there was a lot but I just didn't really think about it. He's like, you're not going to find a free hotel room an open hotel room in 500, 400 mile radius of Sturges and so we slept in the car for two nights, that was fantastic. Ouch. Good times. Yeah, good times. It's an adventure. It's about 30 minutes away from Mount Rushmore so it's a beautiful area though. I bet. I was just there last weekend. Anyway, well gentlemen, we're just over. Thanks a lot everybody for joining and we'll be back at 6pm and thanks everybody. Take care everyone. Bye. Anyway, hey, well thanks everybody for joining. This is Christian Buckley and Hal, we are here and Hal is helping the aged airplanes land there behind. What's the name of that place again? That's the Davis Month and Air Base Boneyard. That's where they park all the old planes that they don't use anymore. There are acres and acres and acres and quite a few other acres of them. Pretty much anything that you want to look at. I really want to go visit that place but not this time of year. What was your temperature today? It was like 101 here yesterday. A little bit cooler here today. I think like 97, 98. I don't think it got much above 104 before the clouds rolled in. It's pretty thoroughly overcast at the moment so the temperatures in the high 90s are currently I think, let me see What does the magic box say? Wait, you have a magic box? Yeah, it's called a weather app. Sorry. 92 degrees it says. It was 104. 104. That's not so bad. Yeah, I was talking to somebody Yeah, that's the thing. I was talking to somebody in Florida, in Orlando and we were talking about that. I think earlier this week or late last week it was like 100 degrees or 101 in like 80 to 90% humidity. Not if I can possibly avoid that. I'll take 118 or two at 8% in the shade any day. Any day. Yeah, I think I've done that a couple times in Tampa. It was just brutal and then walking around one of the partner conferences that was in here. It was that kind of hot and humid and it was in fact, my first trip to DC, it wasn't quite that hot but it was close. I was out there as part of like a CPAC event or something or other out when I was living in the Bay Area and it was not experienced that. I didn't realize how quickly my hair would go flat and my dress shirt I didn't have a tie on. I took that off and left the hotel but clung to my skin. It was not a good look, not a good feeling. No. Alright, well anybody, so we've got a few people that are watching the live stream. If you have any questions about Microsoft products and services and would like to ask, we're happy to attempt to answer them and you can also email us now at officeoursatcollabtalk.com and you'll have to put that on the redo the image and add the email address to that now and see nothing else. We went through and did like a dozen or more questions this morning. Anything that's popped up over the day, Hal, that you want to tackle? Well, that's popped up over the day. No, it's popped up in the last several days. Either the middle or later part of last week was that Edge started crashing rather blatantly. Yeah, I read about that. Sorry, I think about that or not, but it's something to do with the suggested search and it was only at least the time that I tried it was only happening with Google as the search engine. If you switched your search engine to being it didn't work or if you went in and turned off the suggested searches then Google would work and I don't know that that's been fixed. I'm running the developer channel build of Edge so it's updated weekly, I think. So I kind of just chalked that off as to, well, oops, I did make some mention about it though and a couple of folks wrote some articles on that. Yeah, I read something about it. If anybody hadn't seen it, I mean if you have seen it, you probably already know it's a little bit of a fix because it's a lot of people make some noise. Yeah, I saw, I read over the weekend somebody was talking about that and hitched that on the back end of the EU antitrust lawsuit with Slack against Microsoft Teams and they tried to make the case that the same thing was happening with Edge and I'm like, what are you talking about? There's nothing antitrust going on. It sounds like from all appearances it just seems like there's maybe a bad build, there's something technically going on. Which of course might take too. Especially when you're running a developer build, you don't take stuff like that terribly seriously. If it goes on for two or three weeks then you might get worried that there was one that and I don't know that anybody even else experienced this. I basically just chalked it off to it being a developer issue and it has since gone away but I found that on Edge if I had like go four or five or six tabs opened and opened a new one all the remaining tabs would get just squished all the way down to the left edge of the window and little bitty tiny things and as soon as you clicked one of those tabs it would expand back out again and I figured well okay that's just a build issue and that went on for a couple of weeks and has since stopped so I assumed it would have caught on here and I didn't see a whole lot of play on that so I figured that was strictly because I had a developer channel build running. Yeah I'm looking down through it and so I think where I read it I'm looking to see if I can find it but there's too much new activity community yeah let's see some other there's a few Edge things in there but I can't think about this specifically. I know that's where I read it was somebody was commenting over here and then ranting about it so just and for those folks that don't know what we're talking about the antitrust issue in the EU so Slack filed a lawsuit a week ago well two weeks ago whatever time just flies by now right in the middle of the inspire conference so Microsoft was posting huge numbers talking about new daily average users and great adoption engagement and record revenue and kind of all those things and then out of the blue Slack does this EU antitrust lawsuit against teams for unfair practices and I commented on one article there was a couple articles that came out that made some great points as well that basically just called the whole thing hooey it just doesn't have legs to stand on in our opinion yes we're biased that we work within the ecosystem but there's a lot of us that we're on the side of complaining about the last time Microsoft was in an antitrust issue because they had problems back in the 1990s and I think we all recognized you know those of us that were on the outside looking in was valid this time not there I mean you know do you have the ability to install or uninstalled teams and control which social tools are on your systems as an individual or as a company yeah you've got full control there is no forced install you have software it's like it's like saying that well I installed all of office but you forced me to use word you don't want to use word uninstall it or buy a skew that doesn't include word so not office or you know just don't have it as part of your deployment something similar right there are plenty of organizations that use everything else and don't use teams they just not deployed it yet or others that use teams in some organizations and others like their sales organizations that have had it for a while or their engineering teams they use Slack and so you have the ability to use third party tools the antitrust issues of the past do not exist today no so yeah in this case yeah and I know that they opened it the case in the EU because they thought that they would have a little more you know leniency there that the EU is kind of the right environment for that kind of lawsuit it just won't fly here in the US but I just I think Microsoft is pretty confident that it's not going to stand over there as well and my comment in the article I was quoted in I called the whole thing a PR stunt and I've seen the you know that a similar comment from other articles and posted out but anyway so that's what we're talking about the referencing for people to bring up like problems a technical glitch with the edge browser is somehow now you know it has to do with an antitrust related thing I know people are we're concerned that the edge was being force installed as part of windows and you know that that's again not an antitrust thing for Microsoft to bundle their software or in with their other software the the issue is if they don't allow you to uninstall it or if they inhibit you from installing other competitive apps and they're not doing that so yeah much much of you about nothing in the old edge and the new edge and and Chrome and and Firefox looking at me from the from the taskbar no well that's I don't see anything how you know around that that topic so I don't have any other updates but yeah anyway if there's somebody somebody watching that has more info please let us know if there's anything else be aware of um yeah anything else you you had the just the one topic or anything else you well that's big pretty much it's as far as the stuff that I've been looking at had other stuff that's been going on this morning so I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention but it was pretty quiet as far as stuff blowing up over the weekend yeah or anything rising to the level of pay attention to this I guess would be as good a way as phrasing it as any yep well I had a couple work related things going on last weekend but I was uh you know all last week for the most part I had my daughter my son-in-law and my grandson in town and so they left on Saturday and uh my in-laws left they've been living with us they moved out on they left on Sunday they're back in California for a month before they're back but moving into their own place they just had built and so it's been uh you know most of July as a good half of the month I had had the month off you know the or two weeks off and was doing family stuff and so it was a nice and much needed break although I'm back and trying to catch up I'm paying the price for having taken time off yeah it works that way yeah one thing I did I wanted to talk about um it's kind of a broader topic but so I've got a webinar happening on Thursday on a similar topic but uh good friend of mine fellow MVP in RD Benjamin Nyland with Sharegate I know Hal if you know Ben I've heard the name um I've been trying to get him on I've invited him to this thing so he may drop one of these days he wrote an article and then uh another friend over at Avpoint Hunter Willis did this great article um where both of them I went back and I found an article I wrote in 2011 and they uh hit almost every point that I made in my article in 2011 uh and I'm kind of renewing some of that content some of the themes but talking about uh content sprawl because it's been a theme that you've heard more and more about is uh you have a lot of people uh you know certainly you have people that have like the SharePoint history um that have kind of moved into Microsoft teams that understand you know uh you know SharePoint in exchange workloads that uh teams was was created on top of but you have so many people that are you know net new into the Microsoft ecosystem through teams it's just you know had explosive growth and so with the with the launch of teams three years ago three and a half years ago um we some of us started asking questions and commenting on some of the potential for sprawl that teams has so I've got this webinar on on Thursday um that I'm doing with a partner with uh Ignite and uh EGNYTE in fact I should share the link I'll do that here in a minute um but um you know on the topic of sprawl and where sprawl comes from as I've got a bunch of articles that'll be uh I'll be posting links to over the next few days and uh some some other great content coming out of it but something that talking to Benjamin about it and he uh so he kind of framed it the way that Share Gates looking at it it's exactly the same uh three points that Hunter made in his article over on the AvePoint site um which is looking at the provisioning process so part of the preventative uh you know measure against sprawl the uh the proactive management activities that happen uh you know while you're managing it you know actively it's it's things are live and then the third thing is what happens the content and the sites that you create the teams you create after the fact how what are your retention policies the archival process the deletion the end of life of sites and content and so you know kind of puts up the pre the during and the post around that and it's it's fascinating I was talking with uh a couple of the guys over at Ignite today uh on the topic and how fascinating like these topics are the same if you've been in knowledge management information management for any amount of time these are the same cyclical the terms that come up with each of the new technologies there's absolutely nothing new as far as the process the methodology to handle sprawl these are all governance issues for any system but it's uh anyway it's just a fascinating space it's I almost feel like I'm kind of the outsider peering in seeing people ask these questions and just kind of you know I know they're going through some very real things it usually people become aware of the problems with sprawl and with governance when the pain becomes real and so they are not amused by um those that have been around a while kind of chuckling at their pains but uh it's uh it's an interesting space there's uh you know there's a there's a lifetime of work for consultants in this space so anyway if people have questions about that too you know happy to answer anything around that and I'm just monitoring now we've got a handful of people that are watching across the two locations uh let me see if there's anything over in the teams do do do I see questions that we answered this morning as well as last week um and for those that aren't aware those that are just catching this so we do compile both of the morning we do these recordings twice every Monday so at 8 a.m. and 6 p.m. Pacific and then we combine the two uh they are posted out on uh YouTube uh where you can find them and then in the description on YouTube as well as in a blog post on Buckley Planet I do a complete outline of every topic that we cover across the two hours and I provide time stamp links so that you can go in do a quick search find the topics that are of interest and jump to that place in the videos and this is uh part two of episode 20 20 weeks in a row Hal well it's become a life life work for us see yeah this question from this morning was the uh the woman asking about how to kick or a way to stop kids from kicking others out of meetings I liked the question uh let's see let's see somebody I don't know if we can answer this uh so I've not reviewed it in advance but uh Alvin asked the question I'd like to ask question I created a meeting policy to disable cloud recording and assign to a group in the microsoft teams admin center but I tried to use different accounts one to organize the meeting and one to join in the meeting the join meeting account still can click the start recording so is there any steps that I missed yeah there's um we'll start the recording but it's unclear to me I'd have to go in play with this to know but um is it is the user who's joining me at a meeting is still able to start a recording but are they limited to record it locally only or yeah I'm not sure members or guests yeah that's the other question members or guests yeah I've not I've not played with this so I don't know specifically but that's one that we can follow up on um there's a couple comments here yeah and somebody makes it makes a good point this is uh it's always a reference if you change a policy especially out of user permissions it could take time for that policy or that new permission to take effect it could take 24 to 48 hours for some changes to be updated within your tenant very true yeah and somebody else making the comment that this could take even longer with uh so many people using the platform today and while they're trying to keep things performant which is a made up Microsoft word which now you know performant um yeah Microsoft is focused so much on performance that it could delay uh could you know slow down some of these changes on your tenant um yeah so I think some other people asking similar questions saying hey look somebody can always use a third party tool like Camtasia and record so are you trying to stop people from being able to record like you're not going to be able to stop somebody if I'm a guest an external user guest in a meeting and you're not recording it because you tell people I don't want this recorded I as an external user sitting at home can use Camtasia and capture the entire video and all the dialogue and there's nothing you would you wouldn't be aware of that and there's nothing you can do against that very true so I still think that that control of limiting the recording to cloud I don't know if that is you're limiting that only for the admin and there's a specific step you needed to take to turn off recording for um for members or guest users or if there's just nothing that you can do I'm not entirely sure if a guest user can even have access to recording in the meetings that I'll be in as a guest I do not I don't think you can but as a member as a member you would be able to unless you specifically turned off meeting recordings because you can turn it off across the board not allow anybody to record anything in a typical fashion people are um questioning the her reasoning for wanting to turn off recording in the first place I say the same thing is that I recommend to all of my clients that by default they have automatic recording of meetings it's something you don't want recorded you can always turn that off before it begins or as it begins and not capture that it is such an important information asset that I highly recommend you you keep it straight forward simple just all meetings are recorded automatically captured and transcribed in the system and that record then is stored and searchable absolutely that's the important part you may not remember what goes on the meeting particularly if it's something juicy and a bit complex having that recording is a resource to go back and rewatch and make sure you understand the concepts methodologies and what have you is just priceless yep in my view anyway I've seen another there's been a couple questions and I saw a couple similar questions over on the tech community Ricardo says he's asking a question about teams as the main phone system he says as you all know right now many companies are cutting bills or at least trying today I was tasked with trying to find a cheaper solution and migrate our current phone system that is cloud based over to Microsoft teams is anyone here willing to share experience on this or give some advice and I've not look I'm not I've got a tiny little company you know I'm the principal I've got part-time people and everything that we do meetings that we have everything is using 100% PC for the audio components there and it could be it was people in lower bandwidth situations I know I'm going sideways slightly on the question but you know people dialing in will find a you know a better connection more solid connection through a landline you know or through a mobile device through a phone then through their computer but I don't know anybody I hear of them but I don't know firsthand anybody that's 100% moved over to using teams as their phone system how have you run anybody like that the the only thing that I've gotten is from some of the meetings that I've attended and that's principally larger organizations looking at that sort of thing from my end of the world smaller you know 100 people 200 people less than that businesses that's just not even come up yet I mean it's nice so I've used it and it's a nice feature to have I actually I had the experience my first team while working at Microsoft so back in 2006 where we had you know the first creator link enabled phone so the precursor the precursor to the precursor to what is now teams I think it's three or four generations later from that device but it was fantastic to be able to go into an exchange you know click on somebody's email float over see the phone icon click on that and it dials to the phone speakerphone love that capability so I get that people want to move that but I'm as we often say with these as Hal will attest for these office hour sessions none of us here do telephony nope not yet we're not the best people to ask oh Perry wants to know more about how to kick people out of meetings I don't know frankly I have never tried that that that to me is back in the old IRC chat days where you went into a chat room and you could kick people out fights over that sort of stuff so I mean I kind of I've lost lost on doing that sort of stuff well Perry I'm showing you on screen right now you can see on the right side in the live stream open up the little people picker thing up at the top there and open up the participants and you click on the ellipses like I'm doing right next to howl's name and at the bottom there is remove participant like that howl would be out of here yeah that's simple but Perry in case you missed the beginning of the discussion around that it was I think in the education scenario so with their tenant I think it was a teacher who's having problems with some of her students that were kicking each other out of meeting our first response is seems like the only way they could do that is if they had admin control so they had so she had students that had the wrong level of permissions so that would be the first thing to go and do is make sure that she's not inviting students in and giving them admin control it sounds like pretty clever students and funny to eject each other as a prank sounds like something I would do that's the thing I just never been in a meeting where I wanted to eject anybody so that's that qualifies as I just learned something new most meetings I feel like I'd like to eject somebody yeah and the primary thing I just by following along with you and the looking at the same list and the same sort of the sets of ellipses all I can do is mute you I cannot kick you out yeah it's largely a sin because I am not a member of your tenant I am a guest you know but that but how all that is is that's that's akin to doing la la la la la la la la la so we'll go on the rest of the meeting will happen right here but you'll just not be able to hear me yeah which is not a bad thing let's see any other questions here see any other anybody else that's watching the live streams or anything else we can answer for you help you with any burning questions things you've run into to to to to to here or something I don't think we we got to this morning Alex is asking around the search capabilities and filtering within teams says how can you find hundreds to thousands of teams and their channels when you use the filter or search feature and only comes up with the general channel for each team that means channel search so the rest of his questions is that means if you don't have the team visible and browse to it the search filter capability doesn't list the channels besides general how are you guys dealing with that so I'm confused by the experience that he's describing because if you go into teams and you have the search bar up on top and you enter in your search term and the results will come over in the left column you can then go into the additional filters and you can select a specific team it will then give you the ability to filter to you know to search across all channels within that team or select a specific channel and refine your search results so right there you are you're getting that left that initial result you're getting across all channels and all teams that you have permissions to and if you have permissions to hundreds to thousands of teams and channels then that your search result will reflect that and you'll likely want to use the refiners to dig down in the specifics I don't believe that you can in this kind of the simplified refiners you can't select let's say you want to search within two teams so you can't do that you're limited you can do everything or you can search within a specific team or within a specific channel there's no way to multi select multiple teams or once searching within a single team multi select channels does that make sense I mean a lot of people are asking for more robust features around search within teams and I get that the other thing that you can do is you can search from within Delve within the office experience if you're logged in via the Bing search browser if you're logged into these environments on your desktop it should search from and find results in all of those things there's what four different places where you can kind of like major search destinations now something like that yeah hopefully that helps Perry has another question she says I've run into issues with users seeing duplicate contacts showing up in teams and yeah I mean so Perry do you have admin access so you're able to go in and look at those profiles and see if they are truly duplicates are they created are they created an azure ad do they have like that the global icon that they're an azure ad profile then one that's not indicating that they were could have been created as as guests within outlook for example but then set up separately as contacts within azure so that's that's one way that can happen otherwise you just have your admin go in and you'll look through the user roles and clean those out I would just be careful that when you're removing a user even though it may have been incorrectly set up remember that you have in theory content and conversations that are attached to that individual so the best thing to do is to you know maybe to you know rename that that profile as duplicate but leave alone so that you know historical record is still in place I don't know how anything else you'd add to that no nothing I can think about pretty well present yeah that's the one look there might be something else yeah looked like users had done that global and guest invites I mean that's the scenario that I've seen personally yeah in fact last week I cleaned some of those out so I just logged in as the admin when I was in the console and for me I mean I knew that there was no actual behavior no actions taken by those non-Azure AD profiles and so I just deleted those but again if there's any kind of activity yeah this is that's actually an interesting point one of the requests that I've seen since pretty much since the announcement of teams before it was actually launched you know people were asking well how do I go in and archive a team archive a team and Microsoft of course went and created ways a lot of people when they were saying archive a team what they were really talking about was cleaning up the navigation you know too many channels too many teams and Microsoft added some AI capabilities so that it would have teams that you're not accessing on a regular basis it kind of hides them it pulls them out of your daily view they're still there you can go unhide them open them up you're still a member of it doesn't change anything except change your visibility to them similarly in a team that you might be active in but you might have you know 50 different channels but you're only using actively three of them you might have permissions the other 47 man I never want to be part of a team that has 50 channels in it really yeah or my I mean it's bad enough at least from my point of view that having some of the teams that you see over in the MVP realm that have got 16 17 channels and it's like good grief how are you supposed to keep up with this so 50 wow that would be ugly yeah and wassif says something that just sounds so positive he says y'all sound tired from this morning that's because we're tired from this morning yeah it's been a long day of looking at screens yeah yeah yeah and wassif for the other issue this morning I was thinking about that too I know we didn't fully answer your question um yeah and if you want to um send an email to office hours at collabtalk.com let me type this right here I'll respond um right just send you that um yeah definitely take a look at that because there are some folks that we can um send this around to and might be able to get a little bit of traction yeah like like neil would be great you know microsoft employee um can definitely you know if not help himself uh answer the questions might be able to uh get you some traction with the support organization absolutely yeah what are friends for if not to give out the personal emails of other friends them on the hot seat yes indeed vote them in vote them in as sergeant at arms when they're at present there you go yeah and perry's talking about 20 channels now 20 channels I can do because look not everybody's going to use every single channel within that again I might be active in three or four of those I might have permission into some of those other um but no when when in fact I brought this up before at the MVP summit uh two years ago when they announced that they were releasing the number of people that you could add to a team up to whatever what it was 5000 or whatever it was the first big jump yeah um you had about 200 mvps in this room for this announcement and they were all the microsoft people are excited when they announced that and the room was more booze than cheers it was uh people um would just say that uh like I was a big fan of the messaging around the inner loop outer loop and a way of kind of describing the the which tool to use one problem between share point and teams and yammer and things like that and my first response was that um giving 5000 people access to a team makes absolutely no sense and breaks the primary use cases of the product where teams works the best is when it is a functional team that is date and task driven a great example and I'm not trying to say that you can't use it for these other scenarios bear with me um the the the fundamental the the core profile though um is like a team for I so I used to run an operations team with a tier two support team and so I had about a dozen employees and we could have a team that was for uh the resolving of tickets for the tier two team and there could be a channel then for each customer or a channel even for each ticket that's opened and so do I need to have access as the manager to every one of those tickets yes because I need to be able to go there and review but do the other 120 uh uh support reps need to have access to every ticket every discussion going on every channel no they don't you pull the four five people in that are relevant to solving that having that discussion it that channel might be open that discussion might be live for five hours or five months or or or permanent and then from there you may take what was developed and say hey this needs to be part of our thought leadership and it's you know let's make it searchable within uh you know if it's you use that way or SharePoint for archiving those assets and move those the documentation created but for that active discussion the threaded discussion for the work team solving that it was about you know solving that ticket or that project or that event so it had a time it had a scope a limited number of people within that um you might add more people to give them visibility to a discussion but if you are if you have a broader community discussion where you don't know who might bring something table and your ideas and you're keeping things more of you know a knowledge building knowledge management for the organization then Yammer is the better is a community building tool it's better suited for that scenario where you don't where it's an open-ended question and you don't know what the feedback is going to come from when it's specific when you know your project team you know what you have to go and accomplish or you're building the plan to go and execute off that that's teams yeah um yeah and like wassup is saying I just hope people don't use channels like WhatsApp group exactly exactly that that's like a you have a like let's say that I run you know support operations and there's a couple hundred people in the organization I might have a you know a Yammer community for support operations for those 200 people so we can talk about what's going on broad announcements for the organization that kind of stuff that is a better fit than over in teams which should be work related it's it's that it's the hub for teamwork if you're looking for community building broader stuff that's elsewhere if you're looking to just broadcast information out and store knowledge assets information assets that's what your portal is for build on SharePoint so use the right tool for the right reasons yeah and I'll butcher the name so I'll call you Satya Satya says picture slider and video not supporting in SharePoint online why and any other option please explain yeah that's a you know Sean might be better suited for answering that question I send an email to with your specifics your question we've got a couple SharePoint people I've just not been up to speed and knowing some of the parody issues between the SharePoint on-prem and online to know why some of those pieces aren't there not working a lot in SharePoint these days doing more in teams but if you and I'll reply here see send this question to office hours at clabtalk.com oh and of course I responded this to the wrong one I clicked on it that's just how that works yeah go back there we go the time that I click that's one of the things that kind of bothers me about a chat if you wind up wanting to reply to someone instead of creating a new thread in teams it's sometimes difficult to see the little reply box down at the bottom and you just click in the window and start typing and hit send before you realize you just sent that to the whole channel not as a reply to this one thing here and the problem then is well that's no big deal but you can't erase it right you cannot delete it from that point so it's like well bear the shame somebody say what are you talking about I'm sorry I was reply please look up yeah Terry makes great points with SharePoint could be the browser could be the page type the modern or classic talking about those specific web parts and why they may or may not work yeah so I'd have to go poke around probably google it and find the answer but you send it to that that email there's a couple Sean would probably be able to answer that in 30 seconds or less but Sean and Neil both hardcore SharePoint folks and we'll probably know this specific answer that's why we created the DL so all of us get these questions now so it'll be part of our promotions here we'll put it in the artwork going forward I just neglected to do it today why it took us 20 episodes to create an email I don't know effort or lack thereof all right all right oh and then Satya calls me Christina so there's a slight must not have liked our answer had to insult me call me to her name but I'm just just auto correct strikes again yeah that could be that too particularly if that was on facebook and it decides to pick up one of his friends that he doesn't quite catch it I have that problem all the time it's the most common transposing the I and A at the end of my name so yeah yeah just having fun with you Satya let's see so we got another 11 minutes let me refresh here see if there's any other questions come in still have a handful of people watching yeah if there's any other questions that we can tackle anything else coming up this week how um no not that I'm aware of um don't think there are any big conferences or anything ignite this around the corner it's yeah four or five six weeks away so that's certainly one to keep an eye out for yeah that's going to be online and certainly going to be looking forward to that one I have not been to an official ignite the last one I was present for was when it was still ticket and that was in 2013 I actually volunteered for I think it was the first ignite that was that started off in Chicago yeah Chicago yeah and I actually got accepted to come and be a booth Dave right booth representative thank you yes and had everything all set up figured I could do it like I did like I did the ticket at Houston in 2013 used to being a big place but I didn't reckon on what Chicago wanted for housing and when it turns out that the you know the motel six is four hundred dollars a night it's like wait a moment please yep and the only place that you can find reasonable housing is 25 miles away and well so that one didn't work out so good now had they had had I been accepted for the one in Orlando well I had done Orlando again that was a ticket and I believe that was 20 2012 or 20 yeah it was 2012 and once again there was reasonable housing that was within work dad pretty well because they always have hotels set up on a specific bus route for people to stay at this one little I think it was I'm going to forget what name it was which is probably just as well not giving them a plug but nevertheless it was it one of your basic budget hotels it was right next to another motel that was on the bus route so I had to talk about 5060 yards and I was at the bus stop and it looked out quite handsomely but that was at each of those events that that was a really good so that was the first when they transition over to ignite and that first event a lot of people didn't like that but my hotel was the so I was as a speaker so I was in with all the Microsoft people we were the last ones picked up on the bus before the convention center and the first ones dropped off so it was great yeah and of course the buses went through that little segment underground to get to the convention center so bypass all the city traffic but yeah I did a session at that event where I had there were over 1500 people in that room is just packed long room it was the one of the first sessions that I did so it was while I was so I was still back with the ISV but the first session that I did where I went and just did this independent research effort on the future role of the IT pro because you remember that when it was that Microsoft was starting to really do their messaging push towards everything towards the cloud and one of the first freak out moments especially within the SharePoint world where people saying what's happening to my IT pro my admin role if everything's moving to the cloud and you know MSP CSPs will be able to service the things that we're doing for our day job for our customers they'll be able to go to these cloud providers you know what's going to be the role the IT pro going away and so I did a bunch of research where I interviewed about three dozen or so IT pros from within the community from different fields of expertise but mostly in the SharePoint world I did you know got a bunch of paid for you know Gartner and IDC research and and actually talked with a couple analysts talked with some interviewed a few well known and regarded reporters and pulled to this day together and then shared that and so it was you know pretty proud of that session the recordings from that the audio is all up there but not the video but yeah the I think I still have that research out there I need to go dig that dig that up and find that link to it but yeah that was and then the following year did it move to I'm trying to remember the order of those or where they've been there's one in Chicago, Chicago or Orlando. So Chicago just once was twice was it twice twice in Chicago was it the first time and then so there was twice in Chicago then they moved it to Orlando. Okay. Yeah I thought for some reason it was only one year because then they moved it because there's one in Atlanta. It was supposed to be two years and they moved it. Yeah I think you're right now that you mentioned that I believe you're right. You signed a multi-year deal down in Orlando and then moved everything to Vegas and the rest is history. Yeah. Because who doesn't love going to Vegas twice a year in July and September? Yeah. For someone that doesn't want to be a broadcast engineer you can add April to that so. Yeah. That's where the NAB hits. Pre-COVID of course not drinking or gambling makes Vegas a boring place. Yeah. Anyway. Well I really don't drink and I really don't gamble when Vegas is still a fun place to go around and look at the stuff and watch the lights and I have to admit the very best time I ever had in Las Vegas from the standpoint of gambling was the first NAB convention that I went to which would probably have been in the early 80s something like that if not the late 70s and just walking up and down oh and I forget the name of the main street because I don't go there that often the strip there we go just walking up and down the strip I was able to by playing quarter slot machines make enough money to keep a 12 ounce can of Coca-Cola in my hands at all times it must have been like three of them as I was walking up and down looking at things and taking pictures and so forth so I felt really good about that that was the first the best positive gambling experience I believe I've ever had other than that places like Vegas it's better I should mail them a check and say I would have lost this. Yeah. Hey Perry has a question is there any recommendations for keeping fresh in an admin environment if you happen to not have access one between jobs so Azure SharePoint etc so and I don't know the answer to this Hal do you know is demo.microsoft.com is that open to non MVPs is that can people just go and request access have you used that I have not I know that it's there and no I don't know right off hand so it's been it's been a little while since I've been out since I use my own tenant for demos but it's now if you go to demo.microsoft.com it redirects to cdx.transform.microsoft.com because that's a much better URL anyway look at that I'm just I'm just not sure if that is those of us that are MVPs and RDs that are given special access to use this or if you're able to go and anybody can go in Microsoft profile go and create that establish that so same profile you get into tech community with and and it has those virtual machines that you can set up and play with so there's a lot of people and let me let me grab the URL to that there's a lot of people that when they demo conferences because those environments only last for 30 days first question would be whether a non-MVP can go and do that I believe so but just you try it out but but even if you have access they only last for 30 days it might be that this special access that MVPs have I know there's a number of MVPs that are saying you know hey I'm utilizing these I've spent all this time building out data and stuff within it to demo this stuff can I keep it longer than 30 days and MVPs are giving kind of special access to renew that and update that I don't know if it's just like 30 days at a time or if it's a longer period like I said I use my own tenant for my demos so I've used the demo like SharePoint Saturday last year I built something out the day before our event and use that in my demos in two presentations and works great as long as you have strong Wi-Fi you're good to go and well you know we're at the top of the hour listen how anything else pop into your mind you wanted to chat about no that's pretty much it I'm kind of surprised Sean didn't show up yeah I can't remember I thought he said he was going to be here but then again he's got his his new computer system he's putting together so maybe something didn't go so well today well that or he got all the parts for it and this is madly assembling and simply lost track of time which certainly would be possible when you're putting together something with the horsepower that from the pictures I've seen he's he's assembling there yeah well I yeah exactly I think he's gonna he's gonna have the we're gonna envy him for the device that he's putting together so but but anyway well those that tuned in thanks a lot for participating and from Hal and myself the recording I should have I'm gonna try to tonight put it all in I've got a couple other things I have to try and wrap up this evening but definitely tomorrow afternoon the recording will be out on YouTube so you can go out to youtube.com slash C slash and find all the recordings just the Microsoft community office hours I'll post it when I get the blog post up that I'll have the link list with all the time stamps of every topic over the morning and evening sessions you can email us at office hours at collab talk dot com and we'll end all week long so we're gonna start promoting that more more and if you get stumped ask us and we're we're putting together a a good group of MVPs on that DL so whether or not they perform or perform if they join and participate in these AMA panel discussions or not people should even respond during the week at any time so yep alright walk the dogs get some dinner see you next week so Hal good to talk to you and we'll see we'll see you again at 8am pacific next Monday I'll be here talk to you later take care bye