 pledge of allegiance All right, we have a few people with us this evening and this is the public input section of the meeting We do limit any public input to three minutes So if anyone would like to address this Commission Please do so at the center microphone and please give us your name and your address before you speak hearing through the Avenue right do you want me to do that again? Okay, my name is Lauren Hoffland and I reside at 329 St. Clair Avenue in Sheboygan Okay, some of my neighbors received a letter yesterday from John Powers Who would like to relocate the Sheboygan beer garden from Kiwanis Park to? The land home park a small community park which abuts eight residences including my own Two of which are among the largest residential taxpayers in the city Mr. Powers is asking to operate a business in my neighborhood a residential area not zone for commercial use Mr. Powers who lives in Milwaukee is asking to locate a bar in my neighborhood in my backyard six days per week While he lives quietly 50 miles away None of our neighbors was notified of today's meeting and there are many who would have liked to be here on their behalf We ask that this discussion be tabled until proper notification is given to those who will be greatly affected by this decision Kiwanis Park is designated as a community park which has amenities built to accommodate community events as such It has adequate parking set aside for this use unlike Kiwanis Park Which is a significant distance away from a residential area the land home park is a neighborhood park Literally in the backyard of four homeowners and in the front yard of three. There is no parking except on the street The second paragraph of the letter that we received from mr. Powers states The beer and wine garden is not a bar I believe that a business which sells beer and wine is a bar Because it is a bar the park will need to be fenced in limiting access to those in the neighborhood and making it Unavailable to the nearly 50 families who rent the land home park for parties and gatherings each summer In addition a wine bar recently opened at the marina. Is it necessary to open another one across the street Today's agenda will bring forward a proposed quote reorganization of the land home park and quote which will according To Joe Curlin quote make the process easier He and mr. Powers are operating under the assumption that the neighbors and neighborhood impacted by locating a beer garden Are actually looking for a way to make the process or easier I am puzzled how they could have come to this conclusion without talking to any of us Although we were only given hours to organize The neighbors we have spoken to are not in favor of this proposal Excuse me The prospect of even a fraction of the thousands of people who use the beaches walking and biking trails or attend events at Dilan Park Walking up the hill into our neighborhood for a quick beer Frightens us will lower our property values and is not in the best interest of our Neighborhood and our citizens. Thank you. You're three minutes is up. Thank you. Good timing anyone else Wish to address the group if not, we will close I'm sorry Go ahead Yeah, I wanted to announce myself my name is Ryan brunette and I reside 1121 North 4th Street in Chavuigan Hey, I Just jatted down some notes because I didn't know about this meeting today So a little bit a little bit quick. I'm putting my thoughts together Just a little bit concerned about a beer garden being relocated into the residential neighborhood Obviously when you think of a beer garden, you don't think of some place where you go to get food or necessarily any other fair or any other other type of services and It is a beer garden focused on beer sales and beer consumption. I Do Have a little bit of concern, you know, I have kids that that live right overlooking the park Kind of a range of ages on there We have some that are teenage years which Has one end of the spectrum as far as concern where you know, they could potentially be exposed to some sort of alcohol or beer sales something where you know, we have our kids have their friends come over and You know just kind of gets gets out of hand or more difficult to control that potential dangerous exposure and Difficult to breathe with the mask here And On the other spectrum, I have a younger daughter who is in grade school age You do get concerned as Lauren had mentioned the parking access is only Directly on the street. There's obviously going to be a huge spike up of people parking directly on the street coming and going It would be a six-day a week Exposure there and you would be concerned about You know, everybody going there with the purpose of meeting at the beer garden You would assume they'd be consuming alcohol consuming beer and just the uptick of danger Where God forbid if something would happen, you know where people are coming and going and leaving and Could potentially get into some sort of accident That covers my initial thoughts on it Thank you any other Yes, sir. Good afternoon. I'm Sam Hanley 324 St. Clair Avenue in addition to the all of All of the great points that have been made already My own concern stems first from my 12-year-old daughter who plays in that park often with her friends. I Think this is not a great idea to even consider moving forward with the beer garden. The first word is beer That's not what I want to have around my children. It's not It's not why we move to that area. It is zoned residential. It's very peaceful. It's quiet. It's beautiful We're not interested in that at all and Further concerns that I wish you would consider please are the number of people that will come into the area Projected sales. I don't know what those are. Nobody has told us any of that. We didn't learn about this until I Don't know on two hours ago. So this is the best we can do and it feels Feels very fast I Would like to know what the rules for the anticipated area and the surrounding areas as you can tell that area is zoned Completely surround excuse me surrounded by a residential zone. So it sticks in to our residence area. I would be concerned about the enforcement of all of the extra people and all of the The noise violations that would likely be incurred I would be concerned about the hours and who would really enforce them and stick to them What we would do about getting people out of the area in the timely fashion I would be concerned about the cleanup of the area, which is already a problem as mr. Burnett pointed out at some point for Fourth of July gatherings and so forth the grass the landscaping would need to be would be taken care of extra Where's that money going to come from? Who's going to pay the extra policemen to to monitor the area the overflow into the people I I Just want you guys to think about this is a quiet beautiful park Where children play? It's not it's not a bar Thanks very much for your time Thank you Do we have anyone else who wishes to address the group? If not, then I will close the Public input part of the of the meeting tonight Thank you very much for taking the time to address this commission. We really do appreciate this Just by way of information this commission only meets every three months and the idea tonight was really to Look at this option and just give some information to this commission This project cannot go forward without the The approval of the plan commission the council and also a meeting a neighborhood meeting would be conducted So there is a process Again tonight was just a option that was suggested and to give us as a commission a Chance to just review that so please keep this in mind no one was trying to Push anything through behind behind anyone's back. It's just the process So on to agenda item number two It would be the approval of the minutes of our November 17th meeting They have a motion second and a second all those in favor indicate by saying aye. Aye. Aye opposed chair also Thank you chair also votes aye motion carries Okay items for discussion and possible action reorganization of the D land park of the entire D land park area into Three separate parks. I'm sorry. Sorry Mike. It's hard to take minutes knowing And then we need to find out No, that's okay And then you want to know who's online who's all here? Okay, we have Rebecca's on line with us. We've got John Taylor with us and we have Let's see Dave Lucas on Matt ours online Thank you. Thank you All right. Anyway discussion on the Possible reorganizing of D land park into three separate parks, which would be that would be the D land park D land home park and Sheboygan peace park and I'll turn that over to Joe Thank You chair so As we're going to be talking about later is the possibilities of the Sheboygan beer guarding being moved to the land home As part of those possibilities We're looking ahead at at different items basically whatever we did for Approving the beer garden in Qantas Park. We have to do again So we're starting from scratch basically starting over nice thing is we have an agreement in place So but we're gonna have to have a new agreement also so it it's tonight really This commission needs to give input on Do they feel That the land home would be a good use of park space for something like this And that'll be talked about later just like we did for Qantas Park and This agenda item came about because if we do move forward in the future, which like chair Froh stated and and and to his list it also needs to go before the Department of Public Works so Department of Public Works the Plan Commission with a conditional use Permit and the City Council needs to go through all those steps So tonight is really a good in and information for for anyone But to go through that process there are several things that need to be done and we can cover that with that agenda item one of those things is is Reorganizing the land park now the land park even even though the land home did not come to be Did not come into the city along with the land park It was it was put together just like the Sheboygan Peace Park and and that is also on this agenda item. So those two sections Were were never Given to the city or came into the city with the land home. They were came in separately So the land the land with the little on the land park the land home came in totally separate all by itself Sheboygan Peace Park the same Basically all we're trying to do is reorganize a little bit. So so if we do move forward Doing this or something similar if we want to change in ordinance Per for for the land home area if we want to change in ordinance for the Peace Park area They they they are separated from the land park So you don't have to make an ordinance change for all of the land park you can make an ordinance change for The Sheboygan Peace Park you can make an ordinance change for the land home area. So that is what's being asked tonight and Basically in the in that your agenda Just our maps showing the land home the area in red that would be That would be considered Then area that would be the land home park Mr. Chair yes, sir if I if if I may I mean I think what would be best for the Commission is this item just be held because much of this type of Discussion is all predicated on if the beer garden is considered Favorable or not favorable then much of this reorganization of the park may not have to be so Complicated there is one portion of the peace park that I think we've as the Commission is very Near and dear to the Commission's heart And there's been quite a bit of master planning and in work going there So that that will still be moving forward, but I think would maybe be best to first Reverse the order of the agenda have the presentation first so you can get more background from mr. Powers and his beer garden for presentation and Get more information for that again This will all be held until further information from the neighborhood and other input from other committees are Gathered before a final decision, but I think in order of the agenda this this item should be probably held It's a good suggestion Okay If I can just speak to that I actually think that I like the order in which it is Listed on the agenda because well someone might not vote in necessarily in favor at this moment of a beer garden just from a from a structure and operational Basis having the peace park separated from DeLand East of Broughton Drive and Separated from DeLand West of Broughton Drive They're very different uses and from an administration standpoint. I think it just enables Enables the Department of Public Works really to more properly operate Three different very distinct parks that have come into the city differently and for different uses and have different administration agreements so So mr. Mr. Bible, is that okay if we look at maintaining this Dave? Is that? And that would be fine Third for different reasons right the third component would be the DeLand home area and that may or may not Necessarily have to be changed at all so that at some point may have to be amended if it's just taking in consideration The peace park and the DeLand Park to be separated the DeLand home section could remain as is if it remains as is And a beer garden isn't considered there in the future I just was actually thinking because it's west of Broughton Drive. It actually has a very distinct use Much more in the neighborhood than the rest of And that's correct as well. So I mean I mean you we could separate it as its own separate parcel It's it is somewhat maintained that way. Okay, so before we get too far out of hand then I would like to make a motion To and again for purposes of this motion I'm not commenting at all about the use of the different aspects of it, but I would like to make a motion To recommend Supporting the reorganization of DeLand Park into three separate parks DeLand Park DeLand home Park and Sheboygan Peace Park We have a motion. Is there a second second? Okay discussion on the motion Give me an example of an ordinance that either the peace park or The DeLand House might want in a separate fashion. What I'm new to the boards or to the Commission just trying to figure out some examples Possibly in the future, I know that there's you know, there's ordinances about like pets and things like that if we say we If you want me we may allow you know dogs in certain one park Not maybe would maybe wouldn't wouldn't want another part of it. That's just one thought of you know things. I Guess that would be the the one I can think of off the top of my head Well for the for Qantas Park what we needed to do was two ordinances again, this was specifically for the beer garden They're just examples One would be the approval of pets on a leash It's the the big garden wanted to be very family-friendly Friendly and wanted to allow pets, but they're the family So that was one ordinance change. The second one was glass containers the beer garden there used glass containers and that also needed to be a Or an ordinance change to allow that so those are two examples I'm trying to think I know the Shabuigan peace park people have talked about separate things over the years When they were really getting into it and I think for some celebrations and things that they would like to do It would actually probably help them also at the peace park I think hosted some weddings and things of that nature. So Some yes smaller type of events that smaller But I think that was part of any other or dis on the motion. Otherwise, I will call the question on the motion All those in favor Opposed the chair also votes. I that motion does carry and it's a recommendation from this commission Okay, moving on to item 3.2. This is the discussion on the possibility Considering the beer garden and we have mr. Powers is going to do a presentation For this commission on our guests tonight Okay Can everyone here? All right. Thank you First of all just to kind of address some of the comments that were made We this is the very very beginning of the process the very first thing in fact We've done is to send that letter to everybody. So you're not at the end of the process. You're not Being told late in the game about it. You're being told to the very very beginning And I actually see tonight as an opportunity to kind of get feedback from everyone, you know that the beer garden is is really I If any of you were at Kiwanis Park and went to the beer garden there I think you would see that it's it's not a bar. It's it's not People aren't drinking into the wee hours of the morning. They're not getting hammered on high alcohol They're not, you know, urinating in people's bushes and throwing up in fact If you talk to captain visor from the Sheboygan police department You'll find out that the number of instances where he had to come to resolve things during our operations And when we were open was zero There's not been one instance where the police departments had to be called the people there that go the clientele are like Families people with dogs young couples like it's it's just a relaxing place to kind of have a conversation and just kind of relax and And the reason I like the location so much is because of the beautiful views I mean what better place than to just sit and relax maybe after walking your dog and just take in the views of Lake Michigan there's no obligation to buy anything and You know, there's and for those who don't want to drink beer but want something to drink there's not there's soft drinks There's water. It's it's you know, it's got short hours. It's only open in the summer There's there's no loud music. It's not open late in Into the wee hours of the morning doesn't serve hard alcohol. It's it's in no way like Any bar you're gonna find in Sheboygan or anywhere else in America for that matter. It's really a place for conversation So with that little preamble, let me get into kind of what what's being proposed here So I guess the first question on everybody's minds it would be Well, why do you have to relocate in the first place? Just stay where you're at So the challenge is is that the location is actually a beautiful location and as you can maybe see in the picture all the way to the left When everything's working great, it's great, you know, it's it's a it's a beautiful spot views of the Sheboygan River Unfortunately, the Sheboygan River is kind of an unruly river particularly in the last few years In fact in 2019 when when those pictures were taken the middle picture was taken We were we were flooded out or partially flooded out around 50% of the time And in 2020 it got worse So the good the bad the ugly it's it's true and in late spring of 2020 you can see what the Sheboygan beer garden looked like and Right now it's covered in snow But if you go over there right now, you'll see that that water that was there in May of 2020 Thankfully has receded Unfortunately it left behind a giant thick layer of mud everywhere It's it's a mess the whole site is a complete mess and that's the reason why we're looking at alternatives because Eventually nature will take it back and things will grow and it'll look beautiful again, but that could take years So that's the reason for looking at other locations So what are we what what what's what's deal in park would or deal in home? Well, you know, what is it used for currently? As you can see you got everybody here, I think has either been there or knows the site pretty well You know, it's a building with about 880 square feet Has two bathrooms in it and a big open space for tables and it even though on here it says it's rented a few times a year According to Joe, I understand it's been rented about 40 times. Is that right? For last year times in 2019 it was rented. Okay, it's it's 2020 would not be fair a fair amount 37 the year before 27 The in 2017 so the the rentals been going up at 41 in 2019. Okay So it's more than a few times a year. It's actually rented You know 40 times a year probably most of that's in the summer I would guess because it's not heated and they turn the water off as they do with all the parks in in mid October So it's probably rented, you know, on average two and a half times per weekend during the summer What's the proposed opera operation so it's it's a beer garden You'll see the tables there are very narrow. They're they're actually imported from Germany and they're actually designed for Conversation You know the idea isn't to be spread out and really far away from each other even though probably that would be good right now with COVID but The idea behind those beer garden tables being so narrow is so that people can talk and That's really what a beer garden is about. It's about conversation. The beer is secondary. It absolutely is You know besides beer, you know, what else do we serve well, we serve a Modest amount of food as well. You can get giant pretzels. No surprise for a beer garden. We'll have pizza cheese curds But mostly just like beer gardens you would have in Europe People are very welcome to bring their own picnic baskets and just turn it into like a family picnic And that's that's really the way beer gardens are designed and that's kind of the the way I see it as well Now dogs are not allowed in the park But I can tell you from Kiwanis Park dogs were really popular Kiwanis Park People would walk their dogs and stop by Meet up with friends. Maybe have a beer. Maybe not and be on their way And that's something that I think would be a nice little ad For people in the neighborhood to be able to walk their dog sit down take a break look at Lake Michigan go home And just to reiterate the point that second to the last bullet point It's seasonal in nature. It's not year-round, you know, it's not loud music in fact quite honestly The music that we played which was over a loud speaker most of the time It was so quiet that most people didn't know it was on and and I would have no issue whatsoever of just saying no music It's not it's not an important element. The conversation is the important element of a beer garden so music not important Hard alcohol It's something that first of all you wouldn't find in most beer gardens because it's really about, you know low low alcohol products, but in Personally, I wouldn't I wouldn't have it because it's not that my clientele are families my clientele are you know Couples people walking their dog. That's that's my clientele It's not guys that want to get trashed and quite frankly if they want to do that I think there's a million bars around here They can go to for a fraction of what it costs them to buy a beer in my beer garden if they want to get drunk My my my my prices are not cheap. I'll tell you that seven dollars for a beer So And and the hours, you know the proposal by the way I'm not sure where the person who wrote that letter that everybody received said six days a week That's not true. That's not what I submitted. I actually submitted five days a week and and quite frankly if If the issue is over hours or number of days We'll dial it back. I don't have to be open even five days a week You know if four is more comfortable I'll do that if the hours are too long because I was proposing what I was proposing is well We'll get to it. I guess in a minute, but I was proposing Wednesday and Thursday from four to nine and Friday Saturday and Sunday From noon to nine. That's what I was proposing If those hours are not and again, I want feedback from everybody in the community. That's the reason for the letter That's the reason why we're gonna have a neighborhood meeting Coming up shortly because I want to hear from people to see What what is what what would work for the community? So that's what's being proposed if it has to be dialed back on hours and number of days I'm wide open Wide open to hearing what the neighbor I want to be a good neighbor, you know Next up So Justification for it, you know, so some of the things I've talked about already Social gathering place beautiful location to relax It's one of the nice things about a beer garden is there's no cost to go to go there There's no, you know You can just sit down with a group and have a meeting if you wanted to if all of you wanted to have one of your meetings there you can just Go over sit down at a chair and no one will bother you. You'd be there all day if you want So it's a it's a free indoor or outdoor space for people to utilize for for gathering It helps to you know cover a lot of costs for the upkeep of these facilities It's been a significant investment in Kiwanis Park, and there'd be another significant investment on my part by the way In in the land home as well. So there's there's investment. There's continually upkeep Maintenance cleanup. So I don't know somebody here mentioned something about 4th of July and there was a garbage Well that that would stop Because I'm in charge of making sure the grounds are maintained at all times. So That's also a benefit You know, then there's just the whole idea of just bringing a new experience to Sheboygan, you know Beer gardens are really popular in Milwaukee, and I see no reason why they wouldn't be equally popular here Maybe more so actually here. So I and and who knows I mean it could even become a tourist draw with that view of Lake Michigan You know, it could be something that You know makes people spend a little more time in Sheboygan and spend a little more money in Sheboygan So so this just gives you I wanted to show this because this is just pulled off of Facebook and you guys can jump on the Facebook page and check it out, too But the rating as you can see is almost perfect okay 4.9 out of 5 almost everybody gives it a 5 and I take a look at the wording from some of these people a good conversation I I Was Eric Charles Henning says it was great to take out dinner here and have a beer kind of like a picnic exactly Karen Vatter says Love the atmosphere and how easy and laid back everything is Usually bring my four-year-old in a card game These are these are my customers. These are my clients. This isn't bar people. These aren't people getting hammered These are families You know, it's all about conversation like Mark Aschenbach good beer fun atmosphere a quiet place to talk and hang out That's what it's all about It's about relax conversation So site improvements, I won't spend a lot of time on this, but there's a lot of work that has to be done Both just in getting the property up to you know functional use In the bathrooms on Some of the walls Also getting it set up so that you could actually sell product out of that space right now. It's really just a big room There's two bathrooms and a big space So there'd be some renovation work needed there to fix that space to make to be able to utilize it No, this is just this is a Just a wild idea of like how many tables could actually fit on the space It's not so much How many tables are actually going to be there? Okay, it's it's kind of more Let's see how many tables you could fit in the space that is there and as you can see You know, there's a there's a total of around I didn't add this up, but what do we have here? 2024 and 21 so 45 45 tables is probably what could fit in that space How many would we really put in that space? For sure to start with a whole lot less than that, you know, I'm suggesting around 21 to start with And and it can it can handle 21, but maybe we even start a little smaller. I don't know maybe 15 You need especially with Colvin you do need to spread the tables out, you know So maybe you really only get 15 in that space But this is just some idea of of thoughts here. These are thought starters more than definitive layouts Then the scope of work. I won't get into all the details here. This is You know more for the people from the city, but there's some gonna be some pretty significant Carpentry work that has to be done there clearly painting as well Some some we got to rip up some floors as well for plumbing as well as updating some electric so there's there's There's some investment that needs to be made and and I'm prepared to do it and So the operational details, this is what when I submitted to the city recently This is what I put in here So I'm proposed proposed opening is May 29th, which is the Saturday of Memorial Day weekend And then it would run through October 3rd, which is the first Sunday in October And again, these are proposals. I do want feedback from the from the neighborhood. So if the neighbors want that dialed back I'm open. I want to hear what everyone has to say Likewise on the hours of operation as you can see here This is what I propose to the city If if people have other thoughts again, I'm open to it The and then just the idea of how things would work there What I propose is last call at nine. Maybe again, it's it's earlier. That's fine with me Music sounds like maybe people don't want music. I'm fine with that. No music garbage pickup We'll have you know, they'll we'll have some dumps dumpsters will obviously have to hide those dumpsters, you know Be some behind some fencing or some other way to camouflage them so that they're not visible So but we'll need that obviously to be able to haul off the garbage so that we don't have garbage floating around like on 4th of July Underage drinking first of all the customer base is just not it's not a big concern. We don't There aren't a whole lot of 21 year olds looking to spend seven dollars for a beer Truth be told but a weak hard people anybody that looks, you know remotely like that we card them. So we're very aggressive about that and Other than that, I think that one of the issues that was raised is around parking and it's true. There is no parking there So street parking is is probably the situation One of the things that I didn't talk about in here But was brought up in that letter that was sent out was around food trucks and I don't I don't have an answer to the food truck question I don't know what kind of limits the city can put on food trucks parking in that area But I'm very open to having limitations or complete elimination of that if if you know If that's the issue So I think that's kind of the it this is just some signage Again signage is also like music if you don't want signage. I won't have signage. I don't need it quite honestly And then lastly is just kind of a summary of all the things we've already talked about So that's that's my that's what I submitted To the city If you have any questions fire away. Thanks, John Yeah, we'll open it up to any commissioners that might have some questions of John regarding this proposal If it could I'd just like to add to it My name is Joe Curlin was superintendent of Parks and Forestry for the city of Sheboygan I was one of the people that worked with John through the whole process of getting it approved at Kiwanis Park and I want to commend John on 2019 and what he did there and he's absolutely correct. I did not hear of any Problems in the park because of the beer garden did not hear of any place call call out sir so I visited it several times with my dog and It was a very calm relaxing atmosphere where like John said you could have a conversation We promoted this for approval As actually at meeting one of our mission statements and social life for people to come together and socialize in our park And and it absolutely does and it did We actually presented this idea After what happened through 2019 and 2020 to John So I'm one of the people that presented this idea to John To look at it Or we're and like you said too, it's the starting of a process or not in the middle or not close to the end We're starting we have every hopes reached out to The chair of both Both neighborhoods that border that area and hopes that we can set up by a meeting with both neighborhoods To answer any questions to go out and meet the neighbors there But 2019 went very well we presented this because of the conditions of the park We see this As a better use of of space than what we're currently doing now 41 41 rentals in 2019 Great for for families gatherings things like that But I would I would also say that there's probably a lot more control With having someone run a beer garden like John in that area Then there is at this time Um and and and it's going to be open to More people to enjoy. I think most people have been up there. They've seen the views I think it's a great use of space for the public So that's that's why what was presented to John and and that's why we're going through this process so I'm hoping Tonight again, this is Marina Park's forestry board and advisory committee. We only meet three four times a year I'm hoping that maybe we can at least think okay. This use of space Would be a good for the park Allow it to move along and then it still needs to go through the Department of Public Works and the plant commission and the council Thank You Joe Peter John's one for John and a couple for other people John By the way, my name is Peter mayor. I'm a commissioner have been Commissioner for a while and I live in the neighborhood, so I'm very familiar with the neighborhood And I've attended the beer garden as well John there's proximity to North Beach here that you really don't have that same proximity of younger people in Kiwanis Park that that you do in North Beach Have you thought about a different approach to underage drinking or underage? people being around the beer garden and things that you might do intentionally to try to Reduce any effort in the event that there was approval given Yeah, so it It's a good point that it's right across the street from the beach and there's gonna be young people at the beach so You know the idea is that there'll be at least we talked about this that there would be like a fence with rope around it Okay, and the idea is that if you enter Inside that roped off area That you have to be 21 years old or be with somebody that is 21 years old Okay to cross that barrier So that so you would intend to have some sort of a physical Barrier to make sure that that it is doesn't just feel like an extension of the beach Yeah, no no in fact that's a really steep slope Going down to the to the road from there. So yeah, you absolutely need to have a barrier For sure And then a question for Joe with respect to the community or members from the neighborhood Is there any other opportunity? for public comments in the process of going to Department of Public Works Plan Commission and City Council. So in other words if there are people who weren't here tonight But but just found out about it an hour ago or haven't even found out about it yet Will there be other opportunities for members of the public to speak and give their opinion as neighbors? Yep Well, we're working on that right now Again, I sent out emails and we've had some back-and-forth emails with the two Chairs of both neighborhoods So we're gonna come right to them. We're hoping or maybe it might be here. We don't know yet and And Invite all the neighbors in both areas to come and ask their questions give their feedback So that's that's we're hoping to happen sooner than later like right away and then and then once you know There's things that need to be worked on still but Then it would go to council if it goes this far go to council to be sent to the parks and To scent of public works and the plan Commission So in both those Both those meetings there's Ability for for neighbors to come in and voice their opinion in fact with the planning Commission The people that received the letters from John 15 Households received a letter from John those are the same people that will receive a letter from the planning Commission Letting them know that this is coming to the planning Commission So they're gonna receive specific notice and an opportunity to publicly speak at a plant correct Right, so those same 15 people will have the ability to go plant to the plan Commission and also speak so Then if it if it does get approved by both those areas then it would go to City Council for a final approval And again, there's an opportunity for them to speak at the City Council. Yes. Yes, just like tonight beforehand Okay, so okay. Thank you for the clarification and then Dave. I'm sorry a Question for you and this is really kind of from a regulatory and control standpoint One of the big issues that I'm hearing is about parking and again. I'm I live in the neighborhood I'm very familiar with the neighborhood and I know that there's some challenges to restricting food trucks or anybody else in the public Street that where you can park Is it possible? for public works to Create something in that surrounding area not not in broad drive, but I mean those Streets Yuri fourth in just that area to have no parking And again assuming that the neighbors want no parking I know Yuri it would be you know really unusual for the neighbors on the Erie site to want parking Anyhow, I think they all have driveways and fourth. I'm not sure and and you know But just the surrounding area is that something that the neighbors can consider as a possibility of a restriction To make sure that they're not having visitors parking So make people exercise a little bit walk up the hill instead Sure, there there's there's there are the ability to Have some parking restrictions, especially What would be like a computer impacted area in front of their homes now on the park? Proper side what it would be difficult to impose Parking restrictions on that side of the street But on which which side on the park side for instance if Erie Avenue the cul-de-sac at the end area Oh, I see what's what would be at the north side of Erie Avenue, which would be along there It would be difficult because it is a public street to Have restrictions in terms of public parking we could there could be time limits There could be two over parking so much, but it's a simple just no parking whatsoever It would be easier to do something on the side where the homes are in front of the homes where if there's the they have impacted parking for for instance if there's Increased traffic and it's difficulty for them to park in your home and they don't have off-street parking for instance Then that then we do have ordinances that allow for those those types of impacts You know part part, you know, I think John is Mentioned this and I think it's been his experience to a lot a lot of his patrons will will bike jog Walk, it's it's not a it's not a that's all drive destination is what at least what we've experienced at Kiwanis Nevertheless You know the park does have it does have Some what I would say drop-off area within the park and when the park is rented there is a driveway It's it's grass and people will park on the grass It's something that we probably don't want to encourage Because we just do we want to encourage green space, so we wouldn't want to Encourage, you know, off-street parking by building a parking lot within the park. We're not we're not advocating that we want to keep it As green as possible again You know if parking is Is an issue clearly that is something that then can be addressed as as I mentioned with through the ordinance Thank you so much Dave, and then One last question. I'm sorry. I don't mean to monopolize this but And I don't know if this is a better question for for Joe or you Dave So if the The land home was used 41 times was there any review to determine if alcohol was consumed during those Times and if so, was it proper? Any review by the city over the past couple of years of alcohol consumption alcohol is allowed We don't it's we don't track it But most of the events You know I'd have to we'd have to really dig into that and again We have some time and we could get further detail in terms of what type if it was it was it a family reunion? Was it a wedding? We can dig through some of that data again It's we don't ask if there's alcohol served or not when it's a private function if it's public Yes, then we then we do know if there's there's and again That's any alcohol not just beer, right? Correct. Yes for for a private function. They can have Anything that they want to bring. Okay. Thank you for for answering those questions Commissioners anyone else I guess want to say One thing I'm sad that it's leaving the honest part But I understand mr. Powers position and what's happening there I really thought it was a lovely venue when you did have to open it was working it was it when it when it worked it worked But I understand why you why you're moving it. It's yeah, it is in my district actually the Guadas Park is and I Never received one single phone call e-mail or anything of a complaint about the area I do realize it's a little bit further away from homes, but it still was There's a few homes across the river never got a complaint never got it and I have I did hear a lot of Positive feedback on it. So that is a positive and I'm just not not trying to Paint over what you have your concerns are either from the citizens But I will say that those are the things that I would say And I myself personally Was there and you're right. It is a social quiet area Mr. Chair Or mr. Powers were any other parks considered as As a replacement I too am sorry to see it leave Kiwanis I did like the park feel there and this does feel a lot more residential for any other parks considered Yeah, so well, I can I can take it or you can Joe John if you want to go first. That's fine. Yeah, so I actually spent a rainy Sunday with the mayor Looking at literally every park in in Sheboygan The challenge is is really that you know, it's either There's there's challenges either because in most cases they don't have the the Infrastructure like they don't have bathrooms for instance They might have a covered, you know an open but covered area, but there aren't any bathrooms nearby So then you have to build a bathroom building You know or maybe they have some bathroom buildings, but they don't have any Anywhere else, you know, and the ground is really on level and so I mean we did look at the every other possible location and You know other than Kiwanis Park when it's not completely flooded out This this is the one area where you know, it has bathrooms. It has a building. It actually has a Building in place that actually we can work with And and just you know renovate it what's already there as opposed to building something from scratch So I don't know if you want to add anything to that Joe really nothing much to add. I know Picking Kiwanis Park in the first place was you know John went through all the parks back then to looking at all of them Kiwanis Park was a great spot to look at and to do what we did Really the only other option that we could come with we kept coming back to the land home Just another quick question. I get I'm new to the commission Is it typical to not do the neighborhood meeting first and then do the plan commission because it would have been nice to see citizen comments kind of side-by-side with the proposal or Is this the usual way of doing it? So I think that it would have been great to No, I you know I think this is a good way to do it because I think the Marina Parks and Forestry Committee being an advisory committee Really needs to know what's going on first, you know, and what if what if we'd come here tonight and well That's just a horrible use of park. We don't want to go there. Well, then what's the use of going any further? What I would throw out that you know, the next step really is now meeting with the neighbors That's that's the next step before really going to any other committees if this committee felt. Hey, you know what I got a Now we need to wait We want to see all the neighbors are doing that's fine, too We could bring back more information But if this committee really feels strongly that it could be a good use of park and knowing that we have to go Through such a process. Anyways, we're looking for that support So really Marina Parks and Forestry needs to be on board with something before you you go too far Can I can I just comment on that? Rebecca specifically to answer your question. I've been an advocate of having Matters relating to park control come before our Commission first before neighbors I think it's vital that we protect the parks First and foremost, there's a lot of additional process and we have had a couple of occasions in past history Where it came to us after it had already gone to a number of stakeholders And I was actually a little surprised and concerned that we didn't know about it earlier on in the process It's our job to protect the parks There are other processes in which the neighborhoods interests are looked out for I don't think that's exactly our mission. So again, I appreciate Joe you bringing this up In this process. I think it is the correct process which should be used in all Like this night in all future occasions as well Thanks for that that clarification. Thank you anyone else John I just want to thank you. I know you made quite an investment in Kiwanis Park and and again that that looked like the ideal situation until the river and the lake levels and You know that you're willing to To make another investment in in Sheboygan. I Personally, I see this as a real enhancement to Magnificent Lakeshore area in D land park that we have along there. It's a great addition and for our citizens our visitors alike and You know people into the boaters that come to our marina We continue to get very very high grades for our community of Our visiting boaters and having it in that location makes it a little more accessible for them as well So and they'll they'll be walking. They won't be No doubt I do want to say a big. Thank you for giving me the time to kind of talk about Vision here and and also I want to say to the people that came from the neighborhood I I do truly truly look forward to meeting with all of you and and taking into account your Comments your thoughts your concerns and trying to craft something that can work for everybody. I really mean it Thank you. Thank you any additional I'd like to make a motion okay, Peter I'd like to move that We recommend supporting an agreement to allow the beer garden to be held at the land home instead of Kiwanis Park Along with consideration of Additional requirements To address concerns with proximity to neighbors From a planning standpoint In the remainder of the process So again the Again, it's the intent is to recommend supporting the agreement but then in the remaining process to Consider additional requirements to address concerns with proximity to the neighbors Do we have a second to that motion all second. Thank you, Dan Any discussion on the motion? I Guess I just want to make this comment. I agree with Joel on this I think that this is just the first step and I not that the neighbors get upset about this I think we I think it's important that they're in part of this process and That their their voice is heard on this and this is like you said This is step one of many steps and that this isn't a done deal that this is just where it gets gets So that you can hear more of this and we can hear more of your comments So this moves forward on this and that's why all we will be supporting it Any other discussion on the motion if not, I will call the Question all those in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Aye opposed Chair votes aye motion carries Thank you Okay Reports item 4 Matt are you still with us for the marina report? I am Been a while since the last talk here, so I'm looking at the going to the marina report then seasonal slips We're both on par Count wise from last year, but I think the interesting thing they know it is here We're very much ahead in some of the bigger size slips Which is definitely had a big impact on revenue as well. I think what we saw a lot of last year was Voters that had smaller boats Starting to upgrade by bigger boats. So we saw a lot of voters that had smaller slips Need bigger slips, which is great to a great trend to see now in the industry again and That's one of the reasons to do that why the 30 foot slips was are generally usually sold out first our Lagging a little behind this year, but all in all seasonal slips are on track the 2020 seasonal slips or sentence surveys are also attached to the reports Just to kind of highlight a lot of information there certainly feel free to ask questions Again reporting a very high satisfaction rate from the seasonal slip customers 96% being overall satisfied with their experience 100% of those being Satisfied with upkeep of the building and grounds and then the management and office staff a couple We always try to find a couple of key takeaways to take back and work on on the off season to improve the experience next season Some of the things we took away from the survey is this here continuing to look for and source options for expanded off-season storage and service in Chewbacca Intuitively to tweak the Wi-Fi to give you better experience for voters. We installed a new system two years ago now Wi-Fi in a green environment is a challenge. So we're continuing to make adjustments that Give the best possible experience Of adding gate closers to our dock gates as well as another you take away them too Since the marketing sales and kind of talked about the increase in the bigger size slips already And how that impacted smaller size slips Currently Ryder Cup reservations. We do have a few ready Since I wrote this report, I think we're now up to 16 and so the 11 We had definitely had more of the last year, but We're still expecting a great turnout and it is during what I would definitely consider our shoulder season where we don't see a lot of activity anyways So it should definitely will definitely help our transit revenue for for this year We've increased some of the ship store hours this last off-season as well We've kept a minimal amount of weekend hours going to the off-season Which has led to some more additional sales in the month of December This helps push the store 22,000 over its budget for 2020 While increasing our profit margins, so we were really excited to see the store continuing to grow and gain traction with the public as well as offering Good that voters are looking for In addition that we're also working on the Marina's websites We're looking at our overhaul for that Easier flow but our connections to social media looking to have that launch at the end of a month. So we're excited to unveil that Maintenance these are the big topic this time of year so far. We've been very fortunate to have a very mild winter temperatures have been considered decent For the most part of the marina has been fairly ice feet ice-free due to our icing efforts in the mild winter So far a couple one or two welding breaks So nothing nothing concerning yet. What I would consider well below average You know maintenance that we need to be done in springtime then So our plan is hopefully if we can maintain we have some fuller temperatures coming up in the forecast here So we're certainly not out of the woods yet We're looking to hopefully use the savings that were budgeted for dock damage to continue to re-skin some of the unstable slips here in the marina to continue to make those safer for our tenants Water levels to think we've noted that they have certainly dropped quite a bit over the winter ready Which has certainly helped with running ice damage this winter as well We'll also make things a lot easier to maintain come the voting season as well I think right around now it's bought a four and three inches that were down from where we're at last season So my very exciting updates deal with the bar operation We're about a month away from for tending to open the bar at this point renovations have all been completed and We're in the process of interviewing and talking to some additional staff to staff the bar area as well We're hoping to launch a little bit of a soft opening for the boulders to give them a little sneak preview in mid-march and then opening for regular hours towards the End of March early April the kind of coincide with the start of the marina season as well Lastly again, it was very pleased to report that for the now the third year in a row We successfully won the elite fleet award for marinas calm For those of you that know I'm familiar with the award there is this marinas calm is a Review site very similar to trip advisor for the marine industry It's nothing that's paid for or anything like that is strictly just won through customer feedback and reviews To get it we have to maintain the average view rating of 4.8 or higher out of five and Receive at least 10 reviews in the the year that we went so We were the one of the inaugural marinas to win it Back in 2018 and now so we are a third year of winning that award So that covers the marina reports Open up to any questions that anyone has Commission members questions for Matt Peter Just a just a quick comment I Keep turning myself off. I'm sorry Matt just a quick comment Congratulations on a nice variance in year-to-date income that really looks good Obviously if anybody wants to focus at the little boat numbers, they're looking at the wrong number I'm looking at the bottom line $50,000 year-to-date variance compared to last year outstanding So Congratulations on that. That was nice to see Matt just a couple of things also Congratulations to you and the kill a excellent job considering the challenges that you were facing this season You did a great job and in continuing to to get the elite fleet award Couple of things the survey only had a 13% response rate and We really have to work at trying to you know, 13% it's hard hard to To really get a feel for for what our slipholders are really concerned about so Just a consideration perhaps of revamping that survey Maybe maybe just start out with the ultimate question about referring a friend to the marina and then maybe going into a little more in-depth from there or Or trying to call our slipholders and do The survey over the phone, but I really encourage you to try to increase that that percentage Okay, and then could you give us any update on Storage and additional service Possibilities I know it's something we've talked about for you several years now Is there anything you can share with us? Definite at this time we have been in talks with a couple of Developers that are working with the Oscar sites on the fellow side of Sheboygan Nothing definitive to share yet. Unfortunately. Okay All right Anyone else have anything else if not? Thanks Matt We'll move on to our Maywood report If Dave is still with us There we go. Yeah, there he is Good evening everyone and thanks for having me here Just wanted to let you know that I'm really pleased to share with you that 41 years ago A master site plan was created for Maywood and we've been relying on that master site plan all of these years until Just recently we just completed a new master site plan for Maywood and that will be our foundation going forward from from this point on in That original master site plan though. There were three objectives that we focused on and one was recreation Preservation and education were those three objectives and I just wanted to mention what's going on at the present time in those three areas Right now with recreation with the great snow that we have There's tons of cross-country skiers and snowshoers out here on a daily basis We've got volunteers grooming our ski trails And we've created some new trails for snowshoers just so that they aren't going and walking on the ski trails We've had a lot of hikers here this fall when when we didn't have snow And we've enhanced our bird feeding area tremendously So that's become very popular for birders to come out and enjoy that as well with preservation We recently within the last two weeks. We finished a And the ash tree removal project sponsored by the US Department of Agriculture They were looking to utilize trees from Maywood for a research project that they ended up removing about 200 ash trees those were then All back to their headquarters in Michigan for further study and we're hoping to have them back possibly next year basically it's a free service for us and There's almost an endless supply of infected ash trees here at Maywood So we definitely need to have those trees removed We're taking out just those that would be a problem for those folks on trails So any ash trees that are in more of the interior areas will be left as habitat in place of those ash trees that were removed we had Stantech and The Lakeshore natural resource partnership was able to get a grant. So we planted about 315 trees this fall to make a plant in those places where a lot of those ash trees were removed from We're hoping to get the whist core group back again this year We had them around last year and to do some invasive species removal and next this coming April We're hoping to have them back to help us with more ash tree removal as well We're going to be doing more tree planting again this spring and We've got some real purpose for planting those trees to Memorialize a couple of folks Many of you are familiar with Jerry Waymeyer passed away recently and also one of our volunteer long-standing volunteers June slot We've acquired some Memorial gift money from for both of those folks And we're hoping to use that to plant a lot of trees and shrubs to again enhance Maywood To date we've planted since we started planting trees back in the mid 1980s. We planted approximately 30,000 trees so far So the park has changed dramatically over the years from its old farmstead to now being a Habitat of rich tree shrub and wildflower growth And then as far as education I wanted to mention that one because we have in the last couple of years really tried to widen our spectrum of educational emphasis So that we're covering everything from preschool education all the way up through seniors and in 2016 we started a program called owls Owls is an acronym it used to stand for older wiser of livelier seniors But those involved in owls Didn't like the senior title to it. We changed it to older wiser Lively or scholars and that program is spending incredibly popular. We have Folks coming out every Friday to do outdoor learning So if you're interested you're an adult and interested come on out on Friday at 10 o'clock We'll be outside drinks from some explorations of our landscape here at Maywood The preschool that started in three years We're in our third year now and in our first couple of years. We only had seven or eight students right now We are maxed out school district will allow us to have only 18 students and so we're at 18 We have 18 signed up for next year And we have a waiting list started so that program has grown tremendously and I think in part because of COVID Everybody's looking for a place to go where it's safe and outdoors And so our program for preschoolers, which is almost all outdoors as has proven itself to be a great way for those young kids to learn and Finally the the last item I have for you is that I will be retiring on April 30th So this will be my last report to this committee and I want to thank you for all your support that you've provided over the years for Maywood Thank you Congratulations on your upcoming retirement well-earned Any questions any questions for Dave tremendous job? I mean that is such a wonderful asset we had and have and Continues to have so it's great to have that new master plan down to Okay, Parks and Forest Anything else Okay Park and Forestry report Yeah, so I'm just gonna cover some of the highlights for 2020 a very interesting year for everybody As you know, I think I've stated, you know, we did a lot this work this last year We we because of COVID and Not allowing some of the rentals during certain times we We did hire a fraction probably a third of what we usually do for seasonals But I just want to give really a shout out to all of public works For for doing a good job stepping up getting work done the parks but parks department I'm one of 16 people in the parks department and The the team just really stepped up last year with with less of you know a seasonal staff and I'll tell you that the the parks really looked good and the parks were really getting used because the parks department the beach the beach the walkways the trails gave people and out during this time and The guys really stepped up the team stepped up to make sure the garbage is we're getting dumped on time to make sure things were looking clean To to give the the people a place to go and be proud of and and just get out of the house for a while, you know, so Again, I just want to thank them and that goes with the whole of public works Doing their jobs keeping the community Nice, you know, it's we have buildings and grounds I'm gonna give a shout out to them with the electricians They they installed and if you haven't seen this yet, please drive by and park and Fountain Park at night Beautiful lights beautiful new lights 2020 And you can just they flow together so nice That was buildings and grounds and electrical so big shout out to them With helping us with that And same with streets they do so much for us the things that we don't do, you know There was trail repair that needed to be done on broken drive going down the hill There was a washout. They got out to the very next day fixed it So things like that are constantly being done because DPW together streets sanitation Parks buildings and grounds work together and and we appreciate Everybody's work to keep this community a nice and I'm giving especially giving the parks a place for the community to go to gather Socialize stay socially distance and get some exercise So it's been an interesting year, but a very good year for the parks department and I do appreciate that We do have 36 parks just a quick kind of annual report I'm gonna run through this most of these items will be in the Department of Public Works annual report also So that'll be coming out shortly with the rest of the apartments annual reports. We have 36 parks 705 705 acres parkland Amongst that we have six rentable pavilions ten rentable picnic shelters a Banshell 24 restrooms that we have to clean every day and we had that posted You know restrooms are cleaned daily once we did open them We you know, so those are those are my guys going out That's our team every day going out and making sure those areas are clean 10 tennis courts three pickleball courts and we're gonna see some pictures of that later in the report Very well used very appreciative to that we I think Plymouth Maybe has some pickleball court So they're just pickleball courts, but other than that I think we're the you know the first in the county and it's pretty neat to see them used We had six baseball softball fields We have wildwood softball complex wildwood baseball complex two miles of public beaches Concrete skate park and an archery range You know so I'm gonna hit some highlights of capital improvements that we did throughout the year JC Park master plan that came to this committee As everybody knows this is like at least a ten work ten month work in progress Really more than that with all the planning and getting ready for it, but we were work with grave consulting I believe we have a really great plan That was approved by the this committee in the city Going forward giving us a roadmap for how to develop JC Park in the future That was a great project that we did Roosevelt tennis courts As you can see we Some of the pictures how we did the construction of those Basically just refurbished the tennis courts Great addition Update to the park a very well-used park in Roosevelt and it is nice to have those tennis courts back and good working condition It's been several years where we actually We're not even able to have a net on one of one of the courts Moose Park We had monies for playground Install Moose Park had in the past had very little for playground Moose Park formed a neighborhood association just a few years ago It was great to be able to work with a group And it was a challenge again anytime meeting during the COVID time was a challenge at first before we really had go-to meetings and zooms But this the the the product that we have there is is something that Really was approved by that association. So they were talking to people. They were asking. What do you like? Do you like the climbers? What do you like these going back and forth with pictures? So very appreciative to that group and getting that done and you can see the install and what it looks like now and wintertime So a great addition to Moose Park Another area that was was not part of the CIP But we had a $25,000 donation from the Optimus Club ocean wagon I've actually been working with that group for for for several years To do this so they've been fundraising and They always they always get to the park as a group and clean up the flower beds and and flip up the mulch Spread out mulch in the playground if we have it The picture to the right. There's some musical instruments that look like Fours and a butterfly a drum set a four person Basically a seesaw and then an omni spinner and they're concerned and what they really wanted was something that was accessible to to all skill levels and they really did a good job at picking those out and fundraising So they they that all those additional items came from them So really improve that Playground area. So really appreciate that Having them as a partner Reconstruction of the ball with tennis courts as you can remember there was four courts there at one time 2019 we actually did these but it got pretty late in the construction and And it was just really great to get some pictures of them this summer and seeing them being used You see right now in the pickleball courts and the picture there is the shabuagan county pickleball club And they they meet at different place areas and and Kiwanis has been a favorite one for them all year We actually kept the courts open all the way until oh What's that big first big snow? Well, it's more the cold that we were about so we actually were able to keep it open through through Thanksgiving they really appreciated that but we had to get to that side of the ground So we we did end up taking it out before Christmas break so a couple of agreements that we've we've already worked through and One that we're working through now a making spirits bright was an agreement that came up this year And it was nice to work through that process work with them work with concerns from User groups and come to an agreement that would hopefully you know make all users happy So that was a new five-year agreement the farmers remark farmers market really never went through Our department before but it makes sense. It's in the park. It was interesting to find out that the farmers market have has been on City property since 1989 I believe so It was it was an interesting agreement to work through Really enjoyed doing that working with them. I already had we have a rapport already because They call me I call them with any concerns or or or whatnot So I was we've already have a good Relationship and we were able to come to a good five-year agreement there also Sheboygan a's I just went to city council to be referred to public works Sheboygan a's has a 10-year agreement with 10 years of automatic updating terms and Basically keeping that the same The proposal and but there was a you know after they can you imagine 20 years? You know a lot of things to cover so I think both sides did that very well We've went back and forth quite a bit discussing The old agreement and updating the new got a I really got to thank Thomas Cameron for our city assistant city attorney for Working with me every step of the way there, but any moir Scott Stangle and the group there they did a great job going through things and working with us And I think we got a really good agreement that should go through public works and then back to council So those are big agreements that we've we've gotten through for last year and this year The forest report I'm going to turn over to Tim bull and I think the speakers on already yep Thanks, Joe the Tim bull city forester. Oh, we had a really good year for 2020. We stayed busy With we had plenty to do with the trees. You can see the graph a kind of a year at a glance we There's there's trees removed we removed a I think it's a record at least as far as the four years I've been here 1134 trees were removed now some of those were hired out But 743 of those were ash trees, so we're still battling with the emerald ash for and managing it But we're really last year was a big step to to help get caught up and stay caught up the treatment for the ash trees is Been going well to date. It's 99% effective here in the city Meaning we've only lost 26 of the 2400 ash trees that we treated due to the treatment not working There's plenty of them that were removed for other reasons like you know problems with something But to date only 26. I have recorded as the treatment not being effective The I do want to have a shout out Joe mentioned it early, but earlier, but the forestry group We there's four and five with me Part of the forestry division, but we work with the parks department They help us out a lot and it's same same goes with the street department like when it snows You know all those people are working together to clear snow but we had a big storm June 2nd and For the weeks to follow we had street department help we had park department almost all of our guys were out there Cleaning up all the trees we lost. We had like over 200 trees down from that storm and it was It was pretty devastating, but I do want to thank my crew. They're Professional and they did everything safely. We didn't have any major incidences or accidents To date so last year, so I'm really proud of them doing that Doing doing all because some of that storm especially storm work is really dangerous So we had a really good year planting trees. We had 480 trees planted and we did those ourselves and I stress the importance of that because you start the tree off right and You'll have a better tree down the road. I feel a lot of the trees. We're dealing with now I don't know how they were maintained or planted to begin with but we have to Work harder, maybe if they're if they're not started outright, so so we we had a great year last year with 480 planted We had some money some grant money from roots and a lion energy that helped fund some of those trees and look to continue with Planting at least that number this year in 2021 We kind of going back to the ash trees were We focused on removing a lot of the dangerous ash that were untreated And part of that was we we held back on the stumps. So there's a lot of stumps out there there's over a thousand out there right now and We we hired some of those out last year and this year I feel like we're we're getting to a point where we're gonna try to get caught up on those stumps We're we're gonna hopefully get the rest of our ash trees not the rest but them the majority of the The remaining untreated ash tree should be removed within the next several months and then we'll just be dealing with Treated ones that may or may not be declining. So I feel really good about how we did last year And I look forward to this year and the years to come Yes, I have any questions questions anyone Thank you, Tim. Good job. Good job. I'm just amazed that you only lost 26 of those 24 hundred treated Really worth so good that you did it our next meeting is scheduled for May 4th and With that I will accept the motion to adjourn I'll make a motion, but I didn't get a chance to just compliment Tim Joe You know outstanding season. I can't tell you how much the public appreciates having the parks open During the pandemic it just really made a difference for the livability index in our city And the morale to have the opportunity for people to go out into parks and get you know That wasn't the case throughout the country. So thank you for all the effort you guys put in doing that and go for All the hurdles you guys So, yes motion to adjourn All second all those in favor Opposed chair votes aye meeting is adjourned. Thank you everyone