 Coach, how's it been so far getting the units together and know y'all got a lot of work to do over the last couple of days? It's been great. Guys have been incorporating our techniques and our base concepts and fundamentals and putting together on film and getting the opportunity, one, to practice, get back on the field, just training camp, get a lot of practices in, with joint practices as well, going against other competition and then getting those live reps in games. Those have been great for us and our guys continue to get better. There's a lot that we need to improve on as well, but it's good to see the improvements. You got a quarter-real patterns in your back pocket, but how's the other returners been doing and how's that competition going? All the returners, they've been improving on the basic fundamentals, catch mechanics, understanding the new scheme and how we're blocking stuff up. So all those guys, including CP himself, they've been doing a great job of working at their basic fundamentals, whether it's catching the ball, working their footwork, getting vertical upfield on returns, break tackle ability, ball security. All those guys have been working at those basic tasks of him. And the gunners, you got Keith Smith for your back pocket. Coach talked about how important the gunners are. How's that search been to try to find folks for the cover juniors? You know, Keith, you know, when it comes to punk, he's more of the protection, and then we're using him, you know, he could play on kickoff too. But when it comes to the gunners and the other, you know, speed positions, we're playing a lot of different guys. We're getting guys a lot of different looks at different positions and seeing what fits well so we could get all rhythm up going into the season. Scott. As you near this big roster cut, how much do you have to kind of bang the table to Arthur and Terry, just to make sure and the guys you're making the cuts, to make sure that you get your core special teamers or just you exercise your voice in guys that you really want there? Well, the best part about this staff and working with Terry and Coach Smith is that I don't have to bang the table. They value the importance of special teams and maximizing our roster when we trim it down to 53. You know, those guys that are the fourth, receiver, fifth receiver, maybe sixth, fourth tight end, third tight end, those extra DBs that we carry, they understand the value in that. You know, Terry coming from New Orleans and Coach Smith coming from Tennessee, they both value special teams. So that part, they make my job easier because they see the importance in special teams and how it correlates with special teams being an extension of our offense and defense or putting ourselves in better position offensively and defensively. How vital is it to have guys in the locker room who understand the value of what you do? You mentioned Keith Smith and Eric Harris have a lot of experience being on all four teams and just kind of having, you know, guys in the locker kind of preach the importance of that to these younger guys that you're going to be reliant on to execute? You know, that's a great question. I think it's great and it's very important because you name those players, Keith, you know, Eric, you know, Cordell. You know, those guys, they've made a living playing special teams and that's how they got into the league. So it's pretty cool to see their living stories. So their examples, they lead by example in the meeting rooms. They show it on video from history of them playing in the NFL. You know, Eric Harris, 2016 was his first year in the NFL and the guys watched him make three plays in three straight preseason games make plays and that helped him get on the roster in New Orleans and now, you know, he is where he is now. So that helps seeing guys live by example, play by example. And then still to this day, guys like Brandon Copeland and like you said, Eric, they still value special teams because that's what helped him get into the NFL. Michael, did you have Eric talk to the younger guys about that? Is that a conversation that happens especially? Yeah, our meetings, you know, they're player driven too. So we leave it open where it's not not so just, you know, myself or Coach Hoffman, you know, teaching the players, but we allow the players to speak in those meetings because, you know, peer to peer growth and accountability is huge in our room. Just because of they've been in those shoes, they've been like as those younger players and they understand the importance of special teams and they're in a position as servants where they can help guys understand the ups and downs of playing on special teams and avoid those landmines before those rookies get into those positions. So they try to help them grow from their experiences and put our younger players in better positions. For you, because this is your first year as a coordinator. Yes, sir. Hold on. Hold on. Appreciate it. For you, what's the right amount of core special teams got that you've got you need to have? You know, I don't have a, we don't have a fixated number. Every guy will have a role on special teams on this roster and it just varies whether it's, you know, directly or indirectly. So we don't really put a fixated number on that. It's all about the fit for what we're doing each particular week versus various schemes versus various offense and defenses and how we could complement our offense and defense in that aspect. So there might be a guy that's one phase one week, but he might be four phases the next week based on his role. And that's why we're, you know, it comes down to the basic fundamentals, guys understand the schemes, keeping the menu small for our guys so we could plug and play guys in different spots. Hunter, what do you need, because I think that's something that most of us have no real concept of. What do you need to see to make that decision between dawn and camp? Just continual growth. You know, continual growth, applying what they're learning from the meeting rooms. What we're taking in individual drills and team sessions and continue to apply it within game-like situations. And, you know, whether it's game-like situations at practice versus a rush or, you know, these past two pre-season games and this third one coming into Cleveland, I think those things are critical and, you know, the overall ability to be able to, you know, do their job at a high level and be consistent with that. With a guy like Avery Williams, I think when he was drafted it was one of those things that you just turn on his tape and immediately you're like, this sticks out, what he does in return game sticks out. For you, what are some things that he's worked on that you've wanted to see him continue, you talk about continual growth, what is it you want to see him continually grow in? Just continue to, you know, work on his basic fundamentals. You know, he's played, you know, walked in at Boise State, played defensive back. He's had a great career as a returner at Boise State. But again, and it feels different. So getting the opportunity to make the most out of every rep that he gets on the field, whether it's in the return game or in the coverage game, and he has a lot of growth and a lot of improvement that he can still work on and he knows that. And, you know, one thing that he's doing a great job of, he's coming in early, staying in late, working on those basic things, but he's been doing a great job and I'm excited, you know, for him in his future, whatever that may be, but he's working on his craft every day. It's good to see him, you know, improve every day. A person that we were talking to, like Rodney First got in here and he made the comment that this specialty unit is going to be aggressive. I think aggression was the word that he used. He's like, we're going to bring the ball out, we're going to do all these things. For you, how does that align with your philosophy about what you're telling these guys today? Yeah, we do want to be aggressive. But part of being aggressive with our physicality and our approach to the game, we still have to be disciplined with our techniques and understanding the rules. So there is that line that we're at where we're being disciplined, we're understanding the rules and the situation that we're in. But at the same time, if we know those things, we could be aggressive with our fundamentals and our technique. And again, we want to be the hammer, not the nail when it comes to whether we're covering or returning. So we want to take that approach and help our offense or defense in any way possible. Michael? Yeah, we'll go back to the weekend a little bit. The Avery Williams took a few out from like six, seven, eight, even the end zone. Was that planned to say that you were looking for looks or was that him making that decision? That was planned, you know, again, it's pre-season. You're guaranteed each game in any season. You know, each game, you're guaranteed a kickoff and a kickoff return. That's what you're guaranteed. You don't have one that's beginning of the game and at the beginning of the second half. So we only get better with reps on special teams or in offense and defense. In general, you only get better with reps. So the opportunity for us, you know, to take a couple of returns out, you know, based on given games, maybe, maybe not, but we wanted to evaluate not only our returner, but the other 10 guys that are on the field, you know, set for them blocking. If we take, if we take, if we don't cover kicks in the preseason, how can we evaluate our offensive skill guys that are running downfield that have never played on special teams before or vice versa, our defensive skill guys that might have never been in position to block in space. So those are opportunities for us to evaluate our roster and get the most out of, you know, every rep. For some of that too, I mean, Cordero throughout his career has, I don't know how many times he's actually taken a touch back when he's been able to actually catch the ball. It was part of it that too, just like, if he gets it seven or eight DPs, more likely to take it out than maybe some other returners? Well, maybe, maybe not. We'll see. But it was an opportunity I know for preseason for us to evaluate our roster. The, the 11 guys that are on the field, the returner plus the 10 blockers is an opportunity for us as a staff and organization to evaluate those players. Because you never know, you might find a guy because he makes a key block on a play and if we were to take it, taking a touch back or if we didn't cover that kick, we would never find out or given that player that opportunity to, you know, base our decision on why he should be on the team. Coach, I know I was with Terry and Rick Charles when the Mingo situation was going down. How big of a loss was that, you know, given his history as a substitute guy? I mean, any loss with a, you know, you get a core player on special teams is a loss, but it's next man up mentality here. The guys have been doing a great job filling in on particular roles, whether it's, you know, preseason or, you know, training camp practice. If a guy goes down, he's banged up, it's next man up mentality. We're taking advantage of those opportunities as a staff. And I know our players are doing a great job of just being controlling what they can control and being prepared before the opportunity presents itself. So then when that opportunity does present itself, they can answer the question, go to bed at night, I was prepared and I was ready to go out there and execute at a high level. Anything else? Yeah, just going back to the punter competition, how much has health complicated that with Sterling who, you know, was here in the way of injury and Dom hasn't been able to punt very much? Has that kind of made it, is that clouded things for you at all? No, you know, both punters, they've been, you know, working their butt off, you know, when it comes to, you know, in the classroom, meeting room, how they're, you know, handling the situations at practice, being able to punt at practice, multiple periods at practice, you know, we might have one guy punt one period, one guy punt the other period. We've been fine that the injury, we, you know, injuries, one, I don't discuss, that's not my role to discuss those injuries. But when they've been on the field, they've been handling their opportunities to punt and doing a good job with it. And again, they have a lot of room to approve. So I'm excited for both guys when it comes to this opportunity. Another punter question. How do you all evaluate the directional punting and, you know, hang time on, you know, when you want different things out of both of the punters? You know, directional punting, you know, the more direction you get, you might lose distance and you might gain hang time. So it's a combination of those three, you know, distance, hang time, along with the direction. So, you know, for us, we, you know, most teams, they want a directional punt, you know, to pin guys in certain corners, but that's going to, you're going to lose something, whether you lose hang time or you lose distance. So just finding that good combination to help coordinate and correlate with our coverage units and our gunners. Just giving our gunners the opportunity to go make plays. And but at the same time, back it up a little bit more, we got to do a great job of protecting so our punter could do their job at a high level. And then we could transition to that coverage phase. So to answer that question, it just depends on the combination. It has to be a good combination of all three. All right. Appreciate you guys. Appreciate you guys.