 It almost seems like he's giving you words, like complete sentences. Can you share that, what's going on there? It's pretty much, it's like Helen Shuckman in the sense that it's not, it's not like an audible voice, but it's a very clearly discernible stream of thoughts with no interference. So it's not like, it's a stream that's in competition with another stream or with, and people joke like, oh yeah, the committee meets and what the committee wants to do and all the different things, it's just the mind can get very, very still and then that stream of thought comes in. So, and when I say Jesus told me it was in the early years, of course that's exactly how being raised Christian and going through a letting go of throwing the baby out with the bath water, opening up to many different spiritualities and becoming very open-minded, I think, and not seeing myself particularly as a Christian even, just becoming very clear and tuned in, then at first it was a dialogue I could say back and forth between David and Jesus. So it was very casual, friendly, lots of questions, a lot of instructions. It wasn't like Jesus was in there going, love ye one another or something that you might attribute to Jesus. It was, you forgot your keys and turn left here. I said left and real specific practical things. And you knew it was his voice, right? Yeah, I mean Jesus had always been my teacher. I mean, even though I wouldn't talk about that much, I definitely wouldn't say that back in Sunday school to the Sunday school teacher even though we were being taught. Jesus was like an elder brother, a teacher, a way shower, our salvation and so on and so forth. And then coming to the Course, it was like, clearly I just joined and identified with the voice of Jesus speaking through the Course, through the words of the Course. And this Course comes through him because it is a Course in love and I could really resonate with that. I could really feel it. It wasn't like something to speculate on. Or years later, when a student would say to me, what if the Course is like the biggest hoax ever? The biggest joke. The Jesus Christ would come back and speak and give all these instructions and everything. And I just had a look on my face like, she said, you've never really seriously, David, you've honestly never had one hoax thought go through your mind. And I said no. It just was such a recognition from the moment that I opened the book with this deep feeling and this deep recognition. So it's not like I heard the voice of Jesus at the beginning. I mean, I got promptings and feelings and strong intuitions, but it took about two and a half years of reading the Course for eight hours a day before this dream became very clear and casual. So I could actually say that I was hearing the voice. I'm not saying I was picking up a word or two or getting a feeling to kind of move in a direction or a slight prompting. It was actually a stream. And then for someone who was so shy as a self-concept, voted most quiet in my senior class and extremely shy, I think the embarrassment factor of speaking in public and letting that voice speak through was huge to family members, to friends, certainly to what I considered people that I didn't know, strangers, you know, to go to course groups and then start to allow that. It was like a huge shift. So speaking to was like two and a half years and then over the next few years, to speaking through, you know, or writing through, being written through in emails and that all was another huge step on top of just hearing the voice. It was allowing it to speak through. It was very frightening to the ego, very, very frightening. That's why going to public groups and relaxing and letting the voice start to speak through casually, it was a huge step for me. And saying that, now that's back in the late 1980s, that second part, late 1980s and early 1990s. So even that, you know, now it just gets used more in terms of a parable. It's more of a merge now. It's more of an enlightenment merge. So it's not like identifying with a David and a Jesus now. That's the sunniest idea of the idea of a David and a Jesus. So the dialogue is gone. What was so helpful for so many years, the back and forth, that comes out now more in terms of parables. Just like with Gary Renard's book, you know, the helpful value of that was eight years of someone who was pretty much identified as being a jerk, having a dialogue with ascended masters. People love that. People need that. It helps them feel like, I can talk to Jesus if a jerk can get away with it. I should be able to get away with it too. Or, you know, the revolver movie that we show, you know, we say that's an enlightenment movie for gangsters. And when people watch it, they start to see Avi, you know, working with Mr. Green, you know, they start to think, wow, if the Holy Spirit can work with the gangsters for enlightenment, I guess I'm okay then. I don't feel so bad. I mean, maybe I can fit in there as well. So those are the values of the movie, like revolver or of disappearance of the universe. And I think for me, it just was, that I also felt that I was to be very transparent. So many, many sessions were recorded going back into the 1990s of these just open gatherings like we're having here now. And a lot of them, Carrie knows about the restoring. It took a lot to restore those tapes. There were cassette tapes in the early years to put them on the web. So it's just been, it's felt very natural all along. But it's been more like a stream of thoughts that was very clear and discernible. And therefore, it was very helpful in terms of communication.