 To our meeting, in regards to improvements at the intersection of W. J. Bowls and Bumman Roberts. First of all, I would like to do introductions real briefly. My name is Lisette Acevedo. I am the engineer manager over the mobility infrastructure team with transportation and public works. With the city of our work. We also have with us Lauren purge. She's our assistant director over capital delivery. And also Martin Phillips is our senior capital projects officer. And Jeff Allen. He's our public communication specialist who make sure that we get all our meeting schedule. And we appreciate very much his help and shut up row. Who's our project manager for the project. So welcome you. And we would like to briefly. Give council member Flores an opportunity if he wants to address the group. Councilman Flores. Okay, well, we're going to continue with our presentation. So tonight's agenda. We are going to briefly just touch base on. Some of the concerns that we raise our previous public meeting that we held about a month ago. And then after that, we're going to go right into our presentation. Some of the concerns that we received from the previous attendings of our meeting. We're regarding a bum on Roberts and what was bum on Roberts, not part of the streets that are listed. And then to be Councilman Flores. Do you want it to speak and address a group. Oh, no, I'll just say this briefly, just introductory comments again, Councilor Flores Carlos Flores. Glad to be here with you all. Thank you to TPW staff for giving you this relevant information regarding this project. So please continue to set. Thank you so much. So we, we visited with staff and bum on Roberts. It's not appropriate to add to the entity because of the proximity. That he has to other through affairs that are currently in the entity such as Hawthorne's Boulevard and public road. Usually made arterials are about a mile apart. Also the predicted volumes for bum on Roberts are fairly low compared to an arterial currently the roadway has about 3600 vehicles a day. Also, the right away or bum on Roberts is right at 60 feet. And arterial require a minimum of 80 to 130 feet of dedicated right away. So these right way will has quite a bit of properties that are really close to the edge of the road will make it very prohibitive to acquire right away and impact a lot of properties to be able to. Turn this robot into an arterial roadway can crosswalks and sidewalks means solid this intersection. So we have visited with our consultant and Donna Wayne associates who are also on the line. And we're evaluating the design of the intersection to be able to make these changes. Next slide. Are there any future software projects anticipated in this area? Well, currently transportation management is evaluating the development of the sidewalk program for the 2022 bond, which is in the early stages, which has began the public involvement phase with that. And are in the process of having some community meetings. And as a part of the town, county, a couple projects that is going to be taking place now in April. But for more information regarding, you know, sidewalk request or safe route to school request. Please contact Chelsea's and Louise for additional information and we can provide her email address and her phone number. After that, I apologize that we didn't have that here in the slide. What measures can be taken to improve the curve on the 5700 block of them on Roberts. So, transportation management is in the process of evaluating alternatives to improve the safety at that location. Possible options could be, you know, enhancing, you know, markings with reflect rise. You know, markers at addition of warning signs, perhaps, you know, meditation and possibly a straight light. Next slide. So there was, there was questions regarding why we were doing an interim improvement project that the intersection instead of a permanent solution at this point. So this project is part of our intersection improvement program that we have at the city that we have for the city wide to improve intersections capacity and safety. And a lot of these improvements are in room until a permanent solution that is more cost prohibited can be implemented. So this is for safety to improve side distance and operations at the intersection until the ultimate configuration of WGBOs can be implemented. Next slide. Okay, with that, I'm going to turn it over to Shweta. She's going to go over the presentation about the project. And if you guys can just hold your questions until the end or input him in the chat box, we will be able to get to those at the end. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening, everyone. This is Shweta and I would like to go over the presentation from here. And it's similar to the last presentation, but we have had a few more details to it based on the comments that we received in our previous public meeting. So this is the, this slide shows the project location of the intersection improvements. It's at WGBOs road at Bommel Robert's Road. So it's between major articles like Boat Club Road, Bailey Boswell Road, Cromwell Marine Creek and Old Decatur Marine Club Parkway. So coming to the project background, this location was selected for intersection improvements based on its unsafe geometry. We have a skewed geometry at this location that restricts the side distance and creates unsafe conditions for gravel and it has resulted into multiple crashes and safe speeding. So we wanted to do some improvements that would make this intersection safer to maneuver. So the major project goal for this was to improve safety and traffic flow at the intersection and a mini roundabout has been selected to meet these project goals. And we will also be including some roadway paving and drainage improvements as a part of this project. This project is funded by 2014 bond program and estimated construction cost for this project is around 500,000. So this is the current geometry of the intersection. We could see that it's a completely skewed. You can show that are you still there. I think we lost sound. So that I can you still hear us. He's gonna listen to that. No, you have a copy of the presentation. I sure don't, but let me email her real quick. I apologize guys with she's obviously having some technical difficulties. Just hang on with us. He's signing back on right now. Sorry, everyone. I just lost my internet for a moment. I'm back again. So yes. So this is the proposed improvement for the location where we will be installing. We will be doing the mid-diameter mini roundabout and this would alleviate the side distance issues. And it will also reduce the speeds in the intersection that would enhance more safety to both pedestrians as well as the drivers who go around the section. We will also be improving the drainage improvements on all the corners of the intersection. So coming to why a roundabout was selected for this location. So considering the geometry of the intersection, it was considered that the roundabout would be best would be the best option for this intersection. So considering the right of way that we have and also considering the fact that the roundabout is the safest at great intersection type because we would have the traffic flowing in a unique directional flow. And we would not have to like to get multiple directions before maneuvering the intersection. And it would operate more efficiently under higher traffic volumes when compared to a traffic signal. Which generally has a lower life cycle cost that considering the maintenance of the traffic signal considering maintenance of traffic lights. The maintenance costs for the pet signals and everything roundabout save quite a bit of money while considering the life cycle cost of the project. Again, we did a traffic analysis to compare both traffic signals as well as roundabout for this location. And we found out that though the traffic signal would improve the operations during peak hours, it might cause delay for certain traffic movements like the left and lanes. So if we have permitted left and lanes for traffic going northbound and coming southbound. So it would cause delays when we just have a single lane operating for both through traffic as well as the left and lanes. And roundabout would be more efficient in this location because it won't be causing any delays for those traffic movements. Signal will not improve the intersection safety because it won't it will not alleviate the unsafe speeding of the vehicles at the location. So considering the safety. We had 11 crashes at this intersection in last three years due to speeding and unsafe geometry. So the roundabout would be the best solution to address all the issues regarding the speeding as well as the unsafe geometry. Because it would be reducing the speeding. It will reduce the speeds of the vehicles when the vehicle approaches the intersection to less than 25 miles per hour. And it will also increase the visibility and it will also reduce the conflict points that a vehicle has at an intersection. So generally for our signalized intersection we have around 28 to 32 conflict points whereas for around about it's 18. And we will be converting that to a stop control intersection to around about so we would be reducing the number of injuring crashes at the intersection to. So this is something that we added in addition to our public. The presentation that we had the last time was the turn templates for the school buses just to show on how school bus with manure. I mean, roundabout at this location. So, as you can see the path over here. It shows. Pink one shows the front wheel track. The front wheel track and the green one shows the rear wheel track. And this is how a large vehicle or a bus coming from. East bound west bound WJ bus road with manure, many roundabout. Similar for a vehicle coming southbound on the Bournemouth Roberts Road. This template shows on how a vehicle coming northbound on Bournemouth Roberts Road is going to maneuver for many roundabout and how a vehicle coming eastbound on WJ bus road with manure a mini roundabout. This slide shows on vehicle turning north. From East from the bridge a post road and a vehicle turning west coming south of Bournemouth Roberts Road. And this one shows a vehicle turning eastbound on coming north on Bournemouth Roberts Road and also vehicle going southbound coming west from. WJ bus road coming to the project schedule we will be issuing a task order for our team group to complete the construction on this project and we are anticipating the start of construction late spring 2021. And the estimated duration for construction would be five months. So, executing the contract with the contractor might take around a month. So we anticipate starting construction sometime later next month. So that is all I have. Please let me know if you have any questions. And we will be happy to address them. I have some questions. My name is Ryan Smith. I'm with the Northwest Alliance. Was anything changed after the meeting with the design your last meeting with the design. I'll take that question. Yes, we're currently we evaluated adding, you know, sidewalks and a ramps at the mini roundabout. So we are in the process of determining, you know, how to make all that work. So we are revising to design and coordinating with stone water to make sure that we can add those improvements to the mini roundabout. And then, in addition to that, we communicated with our transportation management folks and they're going to be evaluating improvements, you know, for the curve of Obama and Roberts. And they also are working on development of the future sidewalk program for the 2022 and evaluating this area as part of the evaluation process. But we didn't make some changes, but they're not final. That's why we didn't have them ready to be shown this evening. But we're making those changes. Yeah, we're going to need additional funds, but. So, when do you anticipate those changes being final because that just for example. We had an alliance meeting last night for the district 7 candidates and 1 of the candidates lives in this area and actually. Spoke of this without us asking of it and had and his kid has to walk in this area. And also alluded that the school district. Has to have extra bus stops. Due to this problem and I'm aware of that that the school district has been in communication with the city for 4 years on this. So, why is it taking a meeting a few weeks ago for this to be addressed. You know, this is part of the 2014 bond package. This is 2021. So now you're telling us that the permanent problem, you know, fix on this is part of the 2022 bond package. When is that going to be complete is that 2026. 2028. You know, the answers aren't. Yeah, aren't good enough right now. So, when can we expect a final. Final answer on the sidewalks. I understand the frustration and the concerns. This particular project is for the intersection. And we are making adjustments to provide the pedestrian accessibility of the intersection. The request for the sidewalks for the entire area. It's a much broader issue. And I believe Chelsea, San Luis is on the line. Perhaps you can add additional information on that. But you have no, I don't, you're still not providing an answer right now. How are kids going to get through this intersection? Yes, yes, sir. I did we have made changes to the design and we are going to be adding. The sidewalks and the AD runs around the intersection. So that it will, there will be a connection at the intersection. But that the project does not expand to provide sidewalks. For, for long sections of roadway to connect to where the schools are at, because this project is a small intersection project. And he doesn't have the budget to be able to make all those improvements. So, is that, is the, are the changes going to be made with the sidewalks or with at least with something in the plan. Yes, that we're going to see in the next 5 months. Yes. Yes. Yes. So, so, so the plans are not fully finished. That's why I didn't want to show them this evening, but we are going to incorporate that. Into this project that is going to take place with the next 5 months. That's correct, but there are changes that are at the intersection itself. Well, and if I made a list that I think it's important to note that while this is being funded with 2014 bond funds. This is being funded with residual bond funds. So it's not like this project is, is late. It's we've completed the intersection projects from the 2014. We had some funding left over. We knew this was an extremely high priority. So we wanted to put in an interim improvement here. And then, you know, talking about the proposed 2022 bond. So we've been having a few community meetings. We have 1 this Saturday at 10 a.m. Please go to our website for that information. But WJ Boaz from boat club road to Elkins school road is proposed on the 2022 bond and it is fairly high ranking. Now, obviously at this point, there are no guarantees, but I can tell you right now that that project is ranking 5 out of 12. We are pursuing Tarrant County bond funds obviously to leverage our funds so that we can do as many projects as possible. But that that portion of Boaz from boat club road to Elkins school road would include those shared use pass. Basically, we would be constructing it to the master thoroughfare plan cross section, which is a four lane divided thoroughfare. So that would include curb, gutter, drainage, street lights, shared use pass. And currently we're scheduled for that to be starting construction in the spring of 2025. So this interim roundabout is actually rated for the next 10 years. We feel confident that this, this interim solution will perform for the next 10 years. However, you know, we intend to get to this before that with the 2022 bond program. And we're in very preliminary stages right now. Those schedules could be better, but that's kind of what we're seeing right now just from a preliminary look. And Ryan, if I could, if I can jump in here, this is Carlos Flores. Staff and I have been talking about it after the alliance meeting that you referred to. You know, these are, you know, additions that we're looking at how to program in there. During out when the funds can align with the with the main project. So it's not finalized. You are correct. We are working on that. Carlos and staff, you know, last time we checked Bowman Roberts is still not a part of the master thoroughfare plan. Is there a possible way to get that fixed and why we've been asking that question for years? And why it's not on the plan. Can we get that addressed? Ryan, your, your audio came out choppy and I did not hear the question. Lauren, did you hear Ryan's question? My audio was choppy. So, yes, sir. So his question, and I believe Lissette addressed this and 1 of the 1st slides was basically why is is Bowman Roberts not in arterial. So currently it's classified as a collector. And I believe Lissette explained that far better than I could in terms of just, you know, how we plan for these things and in terms of their the distance between arterials. So that certainly plays into it. Lissette, could you go back to that slide? If that's not too difficult. Yes, sure. Can you go back to the slide where we. And I start comments about the, the street. Being a chair chair right with on the, on the master thoroughfare. Okay. So after visiting with staff that are the ones who handle the, the planning and the, and the update of the MTP. This is information that we were able to gather that arterials are usually spaced about a mile apart. And there are ways that are intended to carry 10,000 vehicles or more a day for laying divided at least with future expansion to 6 lanes. They require 80 feet up to 130 feet of right away. And Bob and Robert's, you know, it's a 60 foot, you know, right away dedication with low volumes about 3600, you know, vehicles there through a day. And it's got quite a bit of residential along there that is very close to the right way and it will cost. It will be very prohibitive to take on, you know, additional right away from those properties to construct an arterial where there is arterials already within them out radius. So that's why Bob and Robert's it's not in the NTP. Currently. And we won't need and why it will not really meet the criteria for it to be added as an arterial to the NTP. Thanks for that. You know, Lauren, I understand what you're saying about the residual bond in 2014. It's just when we hear comments, even from candidates in district seven last night that say. You guys are so far behind in some of your bond projects. And then when we hear we're counting on 2022 again. For really to see the effects full effects of this intersection to be improved. It's concerning. We feel like we're never going to see that. We hope the city can can better manage those projects. Well, and I think that's a bit of misinformation and I encourage you to pay attention to. I believe it's the April 6th council session will be giving kind of an update on the 2014 and 2018 bond as well as briefing the 2022 bond. So, you know, this year alone, we've got 56 projects going into construction. We have over 200 projects in the portfolio. So, from my perspective, we measure things in terms of projects of construction as well as funds expended. So we kind of look at it from, from 2 different angles. And, you know, I feel like we're tracking pretty well. By May of 2022, we'll have about 8 projects that haven't gone to construction yet. And those are for various reasons. You know, a lot of it has to do with just different permitting. And, and right away requirements, but those will certainly be covered in those presentations. Okay, I have a question. So, how are they going to handle lane closures during the construction? Is that intersection going to be completely closed off? Or 1 lane at a time or how is that going to work? And we'll be working with the contractor. What our intent will be to wait until school is is it's finished is, you know, it's out to try to take advantage being able to do some like. Full closures so the contractor can work quicker, but most of the time we have to maintain at least 1 lane open. Her direction is just that he's very narrow. This intersection is kind of it. It's a little bit challenging, but we will like, we will be communicating with the, with the public with message boards and at least 7 weeks. 7 to 10 days in advance before any lane closures will take place. But our intent is that we have a 5 month schedule, but if we can allow the contractor to have some full lane full closures and some of those 1 approach or 2 approach at a time, they could get a lot of work done real quick. So we would like to take advantage when the traffic is lighter when, you know, even though that the traffic is not as, as, as heavy as it was covered because not all the students are doing in person. But there is quite a bit of students that are doing in person and buses traveling, etc. Once 1 school ends for this for the semester, you know, the 1st week in June traffic will be much lighter and it will be advantage. It will be to our advantage. We could do some routing some detours to allow the contractor to be able to go out there and for, you know, for those 2 months to get a lot of work done. But we will be communicating with the residents, you know, in advance. And every time there's a traffic change, we will have to communicate that to 1 last question. It looks like there's probably going to be. Probably several 100 houses built in an area of bows closer to all Decatur. Is this roundabout going to be able to sustain that increased level of traffic because I know the light at. All Decatur can't handle the traffic we have now. So, I mean, a lot of people might be coming. You know, back down towards this way, increasing the traffic here is that roundabout going to handle that amount of traffic, especially during our shower. The answer is yes. So, basically, what we did is that we apply some growth factors and look at a horizon year of 10 years on the road, taking into account. The current land use and the future growth in the area, and we apply that factor and we'll look at a traffic and the roundabout will be performing at a level service, see, or better for 10 years. But like Lauren mentioned, we're very hopeful that we're going to get there way before, you know, way ahead of 10 years with the project. And that geometry is going to be corrected. And then you'll have your final intersection method, you know, mode of transportation, you know, whatever that is, it's a traditional intersection with a traffic signal. As you, as you just mentioned, traffic signals can, they're predictable people are used to them, but they, they get to a point where they just cannot handle any more traffic that what they can handle. So it gets to a point that after certain growth, and you cannot make the intersection any larger, you start running into those cues and in those delays. With the roundabout, you have more residual capacities. That's the term that is used. You have more, more residual capacity means that it can handle more traffic for a longer period of time. And with a signal, with a signal, you get to a point where you just kind of widen and widen, widen the intersection to allow for more right turns and more left turns. Well, it gets to the point where you cannot just continue to increase the size of the intersection. The roundabouts have the ability to handle growth for a much longer period of time until they get to a point where, you know, they will be like level service. You're worse. So we're hoping that the minute roundabout is going to reduce the speed some WJ bows to a certain extent, you know, somewhat that is going to allow the buses to be able to make those turns, you know, in a safer manner. And that we're going to be able to improve the site distance and then facilitate the traffic flow because it's just one direction of traffic until we can get there with our, with our larger project. Thank you. Listen, looks like we have a few more questions in the chat box. The first one is, it looks like the center circle will be flat, allowing people to drive straight across seems like there will be steep learning curve for people. Are there any other mean roundabouts in the area? So the center circle won't be flat. It would be. But it won't, it would be traversable, but it won't be flat. But it would still provide a barrier between the roadway. And that it has a doom in the center that is transversible for large vehicles like the fire, like a fire engine or a large, a large truck pulling a trailer. They could they could navigate and go over that doom, but for regular passenger vehicles or regular size pickups, it will be uncomfortable. So that's the beauty, you know, that's the beauty of the mini roundabout that it provides you that effect such a large roundabout. But, you know, whenever you have tight space, it still gives that option for like a, like a fire engine or a large truck trying to pull up a trailer that they could transverse the doom if they needed to because they needed more space. But it's a, it's a tight kind of intersection. So there was not really a way for us to install a larger roundabout without taking a lot of property. And since it's an interim condition, you know, we want to wait until the large project comes in the future to to get those larger, you know, they get that right away acquired. My chat body is not working guys. So I cannot, I try to answer the NTP question and it's just not doing anything. So I cannot see the questions. And I cannot type on my chat box. So, I apologize about that. No problem to set the next question is, will the intersection be closed at any point. So, we just answered this question. The last question that we have is, will the lighting at the intersection be modified. So yes, we are installing some street lights at this location. So it will be much brighter now and it will provide more illumination during night. That's all the questions that we have in chat box. Do we have any more questions? I can ask, I just wondered, I, I Googled mini roundabouts and I saw some interesting things in the UK, but I've not seen comparables here. Are there any mini roundabouts like this in the area? Or is this going to be relatively new? I believe that this mini roundabout is going to be like one of the very first ones here in our area, but there are quite a few mini roundabouts throughout the country. I have jay van Helsing on the line. Jay, could you add additional information about that? Yeah, sure. Can you hear me? Okay. We sure can. Great. Good. Good evening, everyone. Yeah, I'm one of the consultants that works for the city of Fort Worth and throughout the years of kind of been helping with roundabouts and other things. But yeah, to answer your question, Mr. Townsend, probably the closest mini roundabout that city of Fort Worth has to be over at Folk and Wingate. And that's kind of on the northwest side of town, outside of downtown. Recently, we just installed another mini roundabout in the city of McKinney at an intersection called Rock Hill and Graves. And as far as minis though, they're fairly new in the US, really with respect to Texas. There are other states like Maryland and Michigan that have been installing mini roundabouts for 15 to 20 years. And I guess it's just kind of taken some time to get here to Texas. But yeah, the closest example would be that Folk and Wingate, that's F-O-C-H and Wingate, that's more of a smaller, much smaller compact mini roundabout that the city of Fort Worth constructed a few years back. And then something very similar would be over there, like I mentioned in McKinney at Rock Hill and Graves at that intersection. Thanks, Jay. All right. If we don't have any more questions, I've wanted to thank you for your time this evening. Your time is very valuable. Please go on to our website to look for the information about the community meetings that we're having about the 2022 term and county culture projects. There's one that's coming Saturday at 10 a.m. And then, Ryan, once we finalize the plans showing the new sidewalks at the mini roundabout, I'll share those with you. Okay. Thank you. This is Council Member Flores jumping in. I got a couple of texts from folks who said they weren't able to get on the meeting because the link didn't work. I sent them the link and I think at least one of them was able to join. Unfortunately, they missed most of the presentation. Is there a way that staff can field more questions to TPW? I mean, I'm sorry that TPW staff can field some of the questions of folks who could not get on the meeting because of the link issues that way that they're fully informed. Absolutely. I believe that the last at the end, there's our contact information. This was recorded. I believe Jeff, can you confirm? Yes, this meeting has been recorded. The meeting has been recorded and we will upload it, you know, shortly. And we're more than welcome to go through this presentation. You know, if anybody reaches out to us and they would like for us to just walk them through the presentation. I apologize. I don't know why the link didn't work, but we sent quite a few mailers about the meeting and we're hoping to have a little bit more response. But we're available anytime, you know, Shweta will be going on maternity leave in a couple of weeks, but, you know, I'm the main point of contact and Derek White, he's going to be kind of like keeping an eye on the project while Shweta is out. But I can, I can answer any questions or provide information to any of the residents. Yeah, quick question. David Mendez here. I wasn't able to get on earlier. I believe it was addressed of why Bowman Roberts isn't on the master thoroughfare plan. Or maybe wasn't addressed. And isn't developing on. Oh, so good. Go ahead. It was answered a couple of times before, but I'm welcome to talk to you about that. If you, if you wanted to go over that again. I would just like to know the master thoroughfare plan status. And is it, I mean, isn't it pretty much against policy to develop without a plan without the master thoroughfare plan? That's correct. So the entity, it's the official document that the city. The city, you know, keeps all the requirements for all of the roadways in the city for to allow for future growth. And he's, and he establishes the right of way requirements for all the different type of streets. Okay, so arterial streets, which are the ones that are the main roads that are that they carry quite a bit of commercial as well as residential and mix, mix development. And they're, they're planned for 30,000 sometimes 40,000 vehicles a day, you know, with four lane divided with. Possible future expansion to six and divided those those roadways are usually space at least a mile apart on them in the map. And they are, they require a larger print right of right away. So you're looking at that some of these roads that were under the all of that. You know, before we did the update, they only had like 110 foot of right away dedicated. And now the new footprint requires 130 feet of right away dedicated. So, Robert Roberts, it's considered a collector street and he has a 60 feet of right away requirement. All right, so basically, you know, if the rubber was going to be improved, it could be improved to like a three lane section with a center line. Because that's the footprint. That's the footprint for Bob and Robert's it wouldn't qualify to be added as an arterial because if there's already arterials within a mile of distance from Bob and Robert's the volume and Bob and Robert's it's under 4,000 vehicles a day. And it also, there's quite a bit of development that is already taking place based on the footprint that it was only a 60 foot right away requirement. So if you notice there's some sections of Bob and Robert's where the residential development took place and they they left, you know, the the the Parkway or the right away there for that future addition, but only for a 60 foot right away requirement. So, for all those reasons, Bob and Robert, it's not considered to be added as an arterial to the NTP. So I'm not talking about an arterial as much, but a plan to add sidewalks as that is a well traveled road for 3 schools. Yeah, sorry for schools. High school to elementary is in a middle school. And they're walking on dirt and in the gutters and I realized not many people care about the section of road between WJ Boas and Crawl Marine Creek. Because it was annexed X number of years ago, and it's just been left with forgotten sort of just like the area between Crawl Marine Creek and 10 mile bridge that area has been left and forgotten. Okay, so yes, I was just trying to respond to the comment about why wasn't the road added to the NTP as an arterial. So that was the comment that we received last time. The sidewalk request is being submitted to the city many times. I mean, I believe that the school district has had meetings with the city with leadership and that's is being considered right now as part of the 2022. We're not guaranteed money. I don't want to hear it. You know, that's the problem is we're always pushing back to the next bond. Yeah, well, David, this is Carlos. Let me answer that. Okay. I can only account that I've only account for the time that I've been on council. I realized the disappointment. When we didn't get the funding that we were looking for in the 2018 bond program. I think you and Ryan know specifically my disappointment in that we've met before city hall. We've talked about it. I get it loud and clear from this community from this alliance that we need more of that infrastructure built out. Right. So, but Carlos, you know, we are hearing about the bond, but we already know that the bonds can be much less than anticipated because of the impact of covid's had on the economy. That's correct. But we do have also determining that the county is going to pick up a lot of that slack but there's also no guarantee in that bond because both bonds have to be passed by the voters. Exactly. I think that most voters are very cognizant of our infrastructure needs, right? There is opportunity there, David, and I get it. It's not set in stone. I mean, no one is saying that it is. The likelihood of us getting it is better than in 2018. I can, I can say that much because if you looked at and not enough Lauren covered it, but, but the way these projects are ranked, they are ranked higher. That makes a probability of getting funded better. Okay, and I can't give you a guarantee and I won't give you a guarantee because I can't back that up. Let's not mention bond money then. In these conversations, let's just do it that way. Let's not mention bond money because it's not guarantee money and it's not a plan. I understand. Well, it is part of a plan. We have to make this prioritize list, finalize it and submit it. I'm advocating for it. You know, it's, it's recognized. The city manager gets it too because he's heard from me and I think that the leadership at TPW get it as well. You have had meetings with them virtually. You have communicated as much. Keep doing that. In other words, keep the heat on, right? Don't let up. You know, keep that emphasis on the importance of this project. Your area is growing that the infrastructure isn't growing with it. Exactly. Yeah, I'm frustrated too. So what's the plan with the bond fails? What's the plan then for this area? All right, let me let me answer it. In a way, but you need to keep in mind, David, I'm only answering the question the way you closed it. Right. Lauren referred to money that we had from the 2018 bond program and you guys realized how much that was $9 million, not enough to play with, not to the tune of 31 million, which what we need, right? We were already working on a plan to try to utilize that 9 million as much as possible and creatively as possible to fill in some of those infrastructure gaps. It would not have been a complete approach when William Johnson came on as the TPW director. We sat down. We talked about it. He and his staff. And they said really what this needs is a comprehensive approach. The only way to fund this right now is through the bond program. And I know you don't like hearing that, but if you want to complete, you want to complete solution. That's what it has to be. So, here's the problem Carlos is that you know this really well. We've had this conversation many times. Yeah, is that we had a very great plan in the bond package of 2018. And that money was picked out and sent to heritage trace area. Alliance area and sent to other areas that deemed more important. And so now we're at, I mean, I don't even know how many years we're talking about. I've been here since 2006, and it's been before that. So, we haven't seen substantial improvements in the infrastructure in this area. And we've been through 3 or 4 bond packages in that amount of time. Yet, alliance area is constantly improved. I mean, to the point of insane amounts of money being poured into there for facilities that aren't used. We have 2 fire stations that respond to a large area. And I do not want to hear that Saginaw is the backup because Saginaw responds to an area across 287 Main Street. So that, yes, Fort Worth responding to Saginaw. Alarms, which happens more often than is reported to the city. Because when they do a wellness check that doesn't go on their alert. Because the wellness check, and there's a lot of wellness checks happening over in Saginaw, because the second fire department is responding to calls over on blue Mount road. And we're responding in part to that repeated, you know, you understand my concerns is that you say the bond package of 2022 2024 2028. I mean, I'm going to Vegas in a month. I'm not guaranteeing on money. I'm going to win to pay my bills. I know the same thing with a bond package. We're betting on a bond package where you can't guarantee that bond package. So, is there any plan that improves the infrastructure in this area that doesn't depend on a bond package. Again, to answer that, we have not made a plan per se. In case the bond program doesn't come through. But as far as available dollars, you go back to that 9 million that's there. But you just said that wasn't even close to enough. What I'm asking is, I know there was a plan. No talks of a plan. Okay, so there's no plan off the bond package doesn't go. Not at this point. Gotcha. All right, that's it. Yeah. But I get it and we're going to keep advocating for the importance of this project. The importance has not lessened since the last bond program right. Actually, the needs have increased. I think that they're more acute than ever. Right. What I can do as a council member is continue to emphasize with staff and with the city manager, but this has to go through this time. Okay, that I can guarantee the likelihood of it going through is better than in past bond programs. But again, I can't tell you, yeah, you know, David, you can bank on this. I can't tell you that now. No one can. I just can't emphasize enough how much a missed bond package again. What devastate this area. I hear you. I hear you 100 lack of investment dollars upon this on part of the city. You're depending too much on developers that do not get made to pay for things. And when they do pay for things that money gets used for other projects. And then the money is in a shortfall. So when I complain to a developer that you didn't put in the roads you're supposed to, they say, I put that money into the city. And the city use that on another project. They didn't keep those dollars local. Right. And believe me, I know because I hear all the time about, Oh, we need to keep development going. We need to make sure it's worth the developer friendly. No, we don't. We need developers putting dollars into if they want to develop here and useful dollars, not into a coffer that gets rated every time the city needs money. No, and that's why we have a tiered schedule impact the structure. I'm going to tell you the truth, the developers aren't exactly happy with that. Right. They don't like to get saddled with the with the responsibility of paying fees that feed development. But that's what we're doing. Right. It has to be shouldered. You know, also on them, not just merely on the residents in the tax revenues. You know, I'm not against you, Carlos. I'm absolutely. No, I'm not. Yeah, we've, I'm not taking it as such. We've absolutely got to have these roads improved. Yeah. I agree with me sidewalks roads. We cannot deal with temporary plans. We can't deal with plans that are going to be a Band-Aid. Right. Band-Aids hurt more because then they come off. And there's, you know, that's what happens. You start talking about Band-Aids and then. This whole place is a Band-Aid. We're getting right. Pothole fix on Papa Pothole fix and they're coming off. And the city is stretched in on Paul repair. But there's still tons of them around. Right. I know. And so we, we got to have like. Solid plans and that's why I'd push. To put boom the Roberts on the mass transfer plan. So, if there's a concrete plan and it does not have to be an arterial road, it can be as is, but it needs to be on the plan. And a timeline to develop that road. To be sustainable to this area. I understand. Yeah. That's all. That's all I have. good points you know I you know you and I have taught before a lot on this and you know there's there's not much disagreement there I know and I gotta keep saying it and I gotta keep banging that drum until it's actually done hey please do so the next time and David's cook's office maybe I'll invite you along do it I'll be there all right David thanks thank you Carlos sir I think Mr. Townsend raises hand again yes I put a note into everybody and I'll just read it to you because nobody's addressed it yet is and it may be relevant to the conversation we just went through is is the master plan for WJ Boas going to take as long as the completion of Old Decatur north and south of Longhorn which was promised to Saginaw in writing over 16 years ago still so I'm not super familiar with Old Decatur north and south of Longhorn that was promised to Saginaw I'm not sure kind of what's going on in there but right now so WJ Boas you know as we've talked about this project that we're talking about tonight is where the interim improvements and then on the 2022 bond we've proposed and this is our fifth ranking project for a four lane divided thoroughfare plan so right now you know again we haven't gotten into design with this project yet we don't know exactly what our right away needs are what the permitting requirements are but right now we are anticipating a start of construction for spring of 2025 this could change but I will tell you that we are starting design this summer prior to the bond being voted upon so council recently has allocated future improvement agreement funds towards the project kickoff of 2022 bond projects so that we can get them delivered that much earlier well my concern was that David was bringing up we hear a lot of things but we don't see a lot of things and the project with Old Decatur in front of an elementary school which has gone from a four lane down to two lanes in front of an elementary school on Old Decatur and it was promised to Saginaw that they would complete their part they did and Fort Worth was supposed to complete the rest of Old Decatur in that area and here it is we've been in the area over 15 years and started looking 16 years ago and it was already in writing that that was Fort Worth's responsibility to complete that and so the concern here is that if we're not holding up to our promises to Saginaw to finish a road that was supposed to have been finished way before now how can we as voters and citizens take to heart all these plans when things that have already in writing been promised over 15 years ago that are have not been completed you're trying to answer I'm sorry well since Lauren fielded that questions or this is Carlos Flores you know I you know that's that's before my time too and I am I don't have any relevant background to to draw on so I guess that would be something that TPW can look into and probably give you more of a historical context and see what exactly transpired because I don't know yes sir so and just make sure Jeff Jeff Allen do you have Mr. Townsend's contact information so that we can get back with you I'm sorry if you could if you could provide Jeff Allen so he's he's on here he's kind of pulling the strings for this WebEx make sure that we get your contact information so that we can kind of look into that history and and get back with you I'll send it right now if you could send it privately and I'll record it down right thank you and I know Dennis Schingleton is familiar with the old Decatur problem I know he's not going to run again but he is familiar with that because I've talked to him about it Mr. Townsend this is Lizette Cvedo yes yes and and I am familiar with with what with all Decatur you know a road project and I and I'm not I'm not certain you know what what why did the road what did for warranty not build the road you know accordingly to how they were supposed to build it but when when I became aware of it back in I believe it was in 2010 maybe we we went ahead and make sure that you know we we got it built and that's how we went ahead and got got it built from Parkview Parkview Hills all the way to Belly Baswell and actually we finished the construction of that somewhere in 2014 2015 so I am familiar with you know with that agreement and like I said I don't know what happened but I became aware of the issue in 2010 and then once I became aware but we we got to work and we were able to get the road built in I believe 2014 to 15 the only thing the only difference here is that you have a completely different group of folks and we're we're we're making a commitment we're allocating the $9.8 million that the council already allocated for us to begin designing these projects as well as another almost $10 million of impact fees so we're already committing about $90 million to try to get all of these projects that are well ranked and and being identified and we want to begin that effort this summer so we feel pretty confident I mean we wouldn't want to you know spend these funds if we were not you know confident that we were going to get the funds for the construction so we are going to begin design efforts in these projects you know this summer but it's already been identified for that and and then for the Crommering Creek which in the 218 was was just a band-aid you know like like it's been mentioned before you know we risked the project and increased the budget you know from the 9 million to 12 12 and a half million and we're designing the full the full roadway the the four lane divided you know full roadway and so we also confident that you know we're spending 12 and a half million dollars designing that that we're we're going to be receiving the construction dollars so the city is making an investment already well my concern was about the two sections of old gator just north and south of Longhorn that have never been completed yes the south you're right and the south and the portion south of Longhorn I believe it was supposed to a portion of that property is still like not developed yet and and so that's what that portion on the west side of old gator you know south of Longhorn that corner or that section there that's what he has not been improved but we definitely can do some research and and being able to provide just some more information about that section so the two lane road so where it's two lanes in front of the elementary school doesn't give us any impetus to protect the children with a proper completion and continuation of the four lane road that goes up to about 50 yards just short of the elementary school we'll we'll look into you know we'll do some research and get back with you because I'm I'm very I'm really familiar with the portion north of Parkview Hills that also was two lanes for 15 years the portion that north of Parkview Hills all the way to Bailey basketball that the city finally we're able to like add our half into 14 but we'll certainly look into the south and into the portion south of Longhorn and get back with you but I know that there's some some development there that it hasn't taken place yet but my concern was for the kids at the school so but thank you for looking into it I appreciate it you you bet I hope that I was able to give you some some good information that's always a good place to start thank you you're welcome do we have any more questions do we I see one more question in the chat box who is the best channel to route feedback to the city council members TPW staff I believe that the you can send all your concerns initiatives to Jeff Allen our communication specialist and you know TPW will make sure that we get all your concerns responded back that way we'll have a single point of contact that you know tracks all of the communication and for the council members I believe council member Flores that you know he he welcomes you contact you know his office directly hello this is a council member Flores was there a question for me I'm sorry no there was a question in the chat box what was the best way to route feedback to to you oh yes okay yeah please share my contact information my email my office number you know more than happy to speak to anyone and you just want everyone to know that we are taking notes about this okay we are going to take your input and and apply it you know to what it is that we're planning and try to address things that may not be part of the plan right now and we mentioned sidewalks we're trying to incorporate that Ryan Smith's previous point it's not finalized yet but we're trying to finalize it you know again as part of the 2022 bond thank you so much council member Flores do we have any other questions our contact information you know it's available you know she'll ask email and and myself can be shared through Jeff please don't hesitate to send any comments questions follow-ups Jeff and we'll be able to get back with you I want to thank everyone for your time this evening and wish you guys to have a good night thank you thank you I'll talk to you all tomorrow