 You're bleeding out of your ears and eyes that we might get worried. Well a little bit of bleeding out of the ears is okay It's it's what it's it's a lot when it's pronounced Yeah, like a regular dream Well, I know that there's one other thing that I think we talked about last time But it's getting to be a problem in my household is that I need a haircut. I mean as you know I mean you experience the same problems Yeah Although I think I need to cut down the reflectivity here. Yeah Well, they have your have your makeup person come in we can wait here for a minute. Yeah, come in. Yeah out of the forehead Be awesome Well, hey, so for those folks that are just joining so we are live We're gonna have other folks that are jumping in here shortly a few other familiar faces coming in This is just a standard, you know ask me anything in a format so we've got the session that's going over on Zoom as well as a live stream on Facebook and I'll just get this question out of the way for anybody that watches the Recording and wonders like you're talking about Microsoft products and services and answering questions and yet you're leveraging both zoom and Facebook why and That's a great question If we were doing a webinar or this was kind of closed like specifically focused to towards the community We would use nothing but the Microsoft technologies for those things But we're trying to reach the broadest audience possible and where's the community race on on Facebook And we want the to allow anybody to join in hence the the zoom so Only makes sense and I will Promote Laura's joining us here So, you know anybody feel free to ask questions. We're gonna chat it up We'll go through some open questions questions that we're hearing. I'm sure Laura's got a few things to add in Questions that she's hearing from clients that we can discuss my hey, I don't know if you heard I'll get this out Microsoft has announced that if you due to the way things are running right now If you are trying to bring Bring people up on teams. It may not happen right away. There's a Full 24 hours that it may take to actually get users provisioned at this point that notice Yeah, that notice has been put I think in in the management Console and admin windows and what well when they announced This is last week. They said that they saw like a 750% increase in Teams usage and was already up, you know And so they went in if you if you don't know this Folks watching in that they started throttling some services. So, you know, like maybe you don't have 4k video Coming through anymore or and maybe that's a benefit Yeah, so it's you know trying to increase the Keep the system performing while this increase in traffic and so they're going to reduce a few features It's actually it's not it's not crazy to think that they might Throttle new people joining the system and take a little longer for them to be added on so yeah, just provisioning exercises It's it's much like SharePoint online various functionality actually for folks who aren't aware of this when you provision folks With one drive which technically is a my site provisioning process for those of us who remember my sites There's actually a queue for Everyone in the tenant that when somebody goes to initiate it if it's self-initiated like you try to hit your one drive site And it has not been provisioned for you yet But yet your admin has set it up so that you can't can provision You get thrown in the queue Behind everybody else and you get processed through that's why it doesn't happen instantaneously. It was never an instantaneous process But it takes a little bit of time With that queuing so that's why it may take a while and that's why for those of you who are admins You might be thinking about rolling out one drive to your users. That's why they recommend you pre provision One drive slash my sites set up like a PowerShell script for users who are going to be Onboarding with the service so that that service, you know the one drives available to them when you're actually needed when it's needed A little bit of color commentary there and Laura almost joined us I saw that just for a split second was there and then not there. Yeah, I don't know. It's always something I'll be hold on Well, this is her first time doing the video thing so yeah, it's tricky. It's tricky. She's not used to being on camera. That's true Yeah It's a tricky trick for some people DMC on us. Yeah Run DMC. Yeah, I got some reference you rock over Okay, no sing more Sean. Yeah, definitely I will spare everyone So I've got the so this is a it's live streaming over on Facebook I've got it doing a watch party over in the office 365 community page and So feel free to anybody ask some questions if you got them if you're joining And a bit Greg over here as well, so Yeah, if there are you can use the Q&A module here you can post a question to chat and Dr. McMurray You're on you sound. He's muted Got me all I'm muted on medium. Yeah In the office you see that background switch that fast. Yes, that is that is really nice Yeah, we have another mic Yeah, it's all good Anybody want me to go see if Stanley's busy. I can maybe see if he can join He's he's sleeping right now. He's doing this crossword puzzle. So I'll even be for the morning then yeah So I guess a little as we do we tend to do start out if there are any pressing questions You guys have seen from the community over the last couple days The last couple days not too many people posting questions on the weekend Well, we this has been a week officially John since we last met so last well, yeah, I'll throw one out There seems to be a little bit of confusion on when people should use a team's live meeting versus just a team's meeting So just kind of opening that up to some people. What do you both think? Yeah, we talked about that a little bit in as I just before you joined I was Stopping all the haters that are asking why you're using zoom and live streaming on Facebook And my answer was we go where the people are we you know to broadcast those locations and it's you know Teams is an enterprise technology But it really kind of comes down to my philosophy of this is you know how interactive you want the content to be Like we did here. So Greg is the president of they was the president of the Sherport user group and He shirked to those responsibilities off doing some like new job Man hear less than five minutes and you're thrown in front of the bus Greg Yeah, I don't know why I joined you know Christian put something on my calendar. I'm like, oh, hey, this would be cool No, it never is it never is cool great. No, and then No, so we we had so we had this conversation about like our last user group And so we had you know guest speaker and it was more of that broadcast model So we use the the live meeting So that's that presentation only you can have up to 15 co-presenters or 14 co-presenters of the one presenter So being interactive and everybody else and there's that slight delay It's about a 30-second delay for the broadcast so we can do the translation transcription and Close caption and other things there But that's if you have it really comes down to you that the interactive model Or you could have You know 250 people in that room and everybody interacting chat people can speak up So you have the ability to talk to have your voice heard or In the live meeting you can have up to 10,000 people that join in But it's a more controlled broadcast Method so if you're doing a webinar and you don't want anybody to be able to jump in And just answer questions. That's when you use the live, but if you want that interaction do it as a meeting Yeah, and the other the other benefit of course the live me with the broadcast is that you can then Promote that out to let anybody go in and watch that whereas with the The regular teams meetings you generally know who people are so you're not just letting anonymous actors into the mix Always a dangerous move. Yeah, anything you would add there Greg Well, I was just kind of thinking about how You know this all plays together with you know people trying to connect Especially outside of organizations like teams work so well inside of organizations But we all we've all experienced some of the fun with the cross-tenant Uh joys as well as you know the guest accounts coming in You know, it leaves a little bit to be desired there the zoom. I just wanted to kind of throw into the mix also You know Microsoft's announcement where They're bringing teams more front and center with the Microsoft 365 the home use stuff that they Started talking about and kind of felt like that was a strange announcement like hey, here's what we're going to do And it's coming later this year. Yeah, you know, it's it's funny. I'm not a fan of that that style. It's To talk about something well in advance because Microsoft they improved on that The last couple years I'm going to promote Bora back in she left she came back I was a charm But the you know, let me make sure that that stuck there we go Yeah, they Microsoft used to do that talk about the roadmap talk about things that are coming And this is back with the the the old model of releasing You know software every you know three four years And they would tell talk about things well in advance and it take a while to get there and people hated that and part of With the move to the evergreen model was this You know, we're going to talk about things not until they're You know in the roadmap they're baked And so now that we've my personal feeling that we've now kind of adjusted to the evergreen model Even if they're talking about things that are coming in Three to six months. I almost feel like there's so much that is being released on a weekly and monthly basis Sometimes times a week like don't tell us about something three to six months out. It gets lost We forget about it suddenly it appears. There's all these these questions You know, it's just there's Laura. Yeah, and especially for Other software for the green screen thing wouldn't work. So I even rebooted. That's what I was doing. Oh, no bag of tricks today, huh? Yeah, well, it's still a good green screen Laura. It is a green screen. It's very green. There's a green screen This is a good green screen but Yeah, yeah, the pace of what you did You're welcome to interrupt Laura I'm going to I'm gonna go back to my I think this is the most successful background last week. Where is it? Did I delete it? Oh? No, there it is back background Yeah Christian Charlotte is your mom making you do her work We're doing algebra and oh Right now we're doing multimedia She's a multimedia class. So Charlotte you're the only kid in the school I'm pretty sure that has a green screen at their house like we've got to do something with a green screen for your multimedia homework Definitely So I've been seriously considering permanently putting I can't see it now because I've changed things but So I've got these double closet doors behind me of just doing like a curtain across the top to make it look like a big window But doing a curtain out of the green screen material Yeah, it's a lot. I can't have wrinkles in it So I've got this thing that you like expand out like you know this umbrella the things that you like pop open It's like that, but it's a green like a portable green screen Something like that. That's as long as it's a flat material Then you could it would work because then you wouldn't see the wrinkles in it. Yeah, that's a lot of effort. I know That's a lot of work Yeah, so any other questions so Greg any any other comments on that? Just the last thing to kind of bring it all together is just around that announcement You know enterprises appreciate having some heads up, you know It helps with their planning and just how it generally functions It just felt a little funny from the consumer side You know consumers don't have those same concerns and you know quite frankly they've kind of gotten used to this You know, I'm getting constant updates to the apps on my phone sort of model like you're announcing it. This sounds cool I want to use it. Oh, it's six months away That just feels really weird from the consumer side Yeah, don't tell me about it if I can't touch it. Yeah, exactly Well, it's so with the productivity tips webinars that I do with Tom Duff So I have a running kind of a v-next Deck that I pull from when I I just have now gotten the habit where I read about stuff and It'd be like hey, that's gonna be really cool Oh not available until later this summer or something and I'll put it in that deck with kind of a and I'll put a reminder within my calendar To go take a look and so I'm just I have Four or five things that I'm checking back on a regular basis is like is this even available yet or people still talking about it because it's happened where Something will pop it suddenly. It's on the system. I will have completely forgotten about this this functionality Yeah, I was here's an example I was pleasantly surprised with the new office app and a couple of the features that we've talked about for months like the ability to go in and snap a photo of a table or a graph in a magazine article and OCR and pull that in I don't know if you guys have played with that it Yeah, and they have a signature thing in there. It's so cool signature thing is awesome. Awesome Yeah, so just grab the signature thing because I've not seen just says sign a document You click a button and then you just pick which document and then you go with your finger and it's signed It doesn't have the sound effect. I think she's We need the Lara Rogers edition to get the sound effect. Yeah That's like one of most common painful things like To sign a document just send me a PDF or a word doc What what have you be able to go in there identify the space sign it with your finger on your phone Save it and return it right there. It's all I need now is for that to be part of a workflow For you to send somebody something they click a button It opens the app and then they sign it because you know all the signature stuff that I deal with is all like automated process like it's part of a business process, so they need to Be you know, they're not just randomly going on their phone and there's probably an API on the front of that That would be nice if they added You know, yeah, connect a connector or something and flow That would be cool. You have any Microsoft people that are How many people are on their phone when they're doing stuff like that? That's the thing like all the automated processes and power-ups that I build everybody says that people aren't gonna be on the phone they're just gonna be on their desktops and So I don't know if they're gonna want to take that step to be like I'll do it You have to do it on your phone because you're there isn't a way to do it on the desktop Unless you've got a touch for you. Yeah, right My wife knows the laptop she has from school. They all get issued Laptops that have touchscreens and she is a professor. I mean she'll regularly mark up papers and everything with it So I imagine that would be a natural extension To something like that. Yes, somebody just asked if there's a docuSign connector and yeah That's what I was saying. There's third-party tools docuSign was being probably an Adobe eSign Yep and eSign, but this one doesn't require any of those third-party things. It's just built into the app That's the thing I'm not trying to down on a on a touchpad on like an iPad or or my surface So that you know you have people in the field and if you're able to automate You know could work there, but I've not I've not played with the new office app, which is what I was talking about But the the OCR capability the other thing I would say is that you so you can to capabilities if you're reading Magazine article and you see some graphic that has a bunch of text within it So it's it's an image you can snap a picture and it'll remove that the graphical elements and save the the copy The other thing is that you're snapping a picture of that table or graphs. You've got a table of data A bunch of numbers in it and it will Recreate that I've also done it with a bar chart I've not tried it with the pie chart and it goes and tries to recreate that in Excel It had mixed results in that But it's definitely don't familiarize yourself with the product. Yeah Can I need a few more samples before the AI's got that down, huh? Yeah, exactly Any other questions lured any other questions you've run into Common questions asked Just in general Yeah Microsoft related Yeah Just Algebra, you know Remedial never hurts just while I think of something My husband's at the grocery store right now and so he's like okay when I get back get ready too We're gonna do our thing because you know, you take all the stuff It's not perishable and we put it like away in the back of a spare room for three days And and let it sit there and then all the stuff that's perishable We do the whole thing where you wash everything and you put it So we're about to he's gonna be home soon So I'm about to have to leave and go do that but and just thought I thought I'd let you don't know if I'd jump up And run that's what I'm doing. So suddenly like hers him off Has Matt decon procedure. Yeah That's my procedure. All right. Um, yeah, I know most of the questions that I get are about How to do stuff that you used to be able to do an info path or with web parts and how you do them now and with the new modern stuff and with power apps and Yeah, I get those over and over like the repeating tables thing How did you repeating tables in power apps? Well, you don't do there isn't a repeating tables button You have to do this and this and this and it takes like an hour to explain it You have to put this here and do multiple SharePoint lists And you have to be able to know how to Filter a gallery in a power app and pass the parameter and default to you have to say you have to know all this Information about how cards work and how forms work and what a gallery is and what a all these functions are you have to Know all that stuff before you can just like takes longer than 30 seconds. What but that takes longer than 30 seconds They just want an answer like where's the button for the repeating table Yeah, and then I get like How do you there are no connect the connected web parts don't do what they used to do How do you I mean you can do a little bit with a connected web part right now in modern You can click on something like an item or a document and have it show that thing in the web part That's all you can do. You can't pass parameters like this do this complex thing like we used to do But just all you do is you just do it as a power up instead You just build the power up that has the galleries and the forms and the you know multiple galleries You click something in one gallery and it filters the other the other gallery and new behaviors again, you have to learn all that stuff and you have to know power apps so It's not just a quick answer. So that's why I teach a full advanced power apps class. That's like 12 hours long Just do that real quick and then you'll be able to just know this stuff and figure it out yourself and not have to ask Every single specific thing that you want to do and the instructions for that specific thing You'll just know it and then you'll be able to figure out how to do it It's harder though. You know sadly people are too used to just googling it and getting an answer and you know Let me Google that for you and there's quite a steep learning curve with power apps Just like the development model adding some kind of customized list thing a little bit They added the little have you seen that appear with a little customized list form? button When you're on a form I don't really have yet. You're on a SharePoint list item. There's a new button at the top of the form that says customize This form and it has just options for showing and hiding like it's got little checkboxes next to each Is that ga rolled out to everyone or is that early release? I I don't know I think i've seen that in a few different tenants. Um, just off the top of my head It's not the most useful thing. So I haven't actually tried to use it or implement it So But at least it's a step. I mean, I think that they said at least maybe at night They said that that one is going to be able to do a lot more like you're going to be able to do sort of uh Customize it kind of like you can customize lists With the json, maybe they said they had they had a session jeff teeper had a session about that at night. Remember where he Showed that so this this the equivalent of like you'd use with a SharePoint destroyer Customizing edit forms new forms that sort of stuff all you can do is show and hide fields There's not there's there's not even conditions or anything yet But I think they said there was going to be conditional formatting conditional something showing and hiding When they had that session, but that's not out yet, but that's going to be sort of the New way to do that stuff Before you have to leap over to power apps. So there's going to be more of like a baby step kind of Some easy things you can do before you have to go jump off the power apps cliff, but you're you're still gonna Well, even the jump off the power apps clip. I mean it's still it's still more approachable than Excuse me the customizable fields where people would have to learn json to do field formatting and all that that it's a great technology, but that's a developer technology built by developers for developers and trying to extend it to average end users Average end users do not speak json So maybe this is a step in the right direction because yeah, and it helps to be able to understand logic I think people That are working in these technologies that don't understand things like The concept of conditional formatting and the concept of if then Or a trigger and an action Right or how to do an outlook rule like people that can't grasp those kind of concepts aren't going to be able to do Any of this stuff like power apps or json or because it all requires an understanding of logic, right? I think citizen developers Got to be in their tool set And then you look at the excel spreadsheets that they use every day and you ask them about a formula in there And they're like, I don't know somebody just gave it to me and it works. I'm gonna go Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna say hi to chris Okay And how and how steps into laura's shoes they look good on you how you're six inches taller Oh, yeah I need hair extension. I just I need hair extension Uh, you and me both how We're talking about christian and i before we got on about Getting some powder for the head to keep the glare down No, just so my son Talked about needing haircuts and uh, I just realized that the haircut place. They're still open here That's the critical service essential essential It's right next door to the grocery store. So That's what I say Roll the dice I once had hair, but now I have flair. What could possibly go wrong? I can find you I Like uh, uh, just to poke fun at he'll find out I know he'll find out but tom doff. He just went and he had a haircut picture and he got it really tightly cut in the back and uh, and it showed a picture he had a picture of the hair on the ground and And I made comment about that being just from his ears I was gonna say that you had to probably magnify it to see the hair on the ground Yeah Uh, no, it's it's uh It's annoying me. It's that point where I need to uh, I'm overdue So I'm it's very hippie looking. I know right now. I'm I apologize. Look away. I'll send you a pair of clippers. Yeah I've got a few lying around Uh other other questions anything else somebody was asking I saw over on the office 365 community Somebody had asked about whether there were uh, any backup software as a service that comes with any of the home editions um There we go Oh, that's painful. This is that's funny, pat. I thought it was pretty funny and topical That is that is Oh my gosh I just need to do some photoshop. I can put christian space there You know that kind of looks like is is um Early 70s bowies backup bands the spiders from mars. There's a couple of the guys like uh ronston or somebody that has that kind of poodle looking perm As I think it's facially with the hair it made made me initially think of getty lee from rush All right, that was fun. Thank you. So your backup question. What was that? I was asking if there's anything I'm moving over to that page now to look at the question But I believe it was is there anything that is offered as part of the just office 365? home You know editions or well, yeah, well microsoft Uh backs the data up on regular intervals. I believe they consume dpm internally because there's their Sla's and their rpo's and rto's if you're getting into too many tla's Align with Vss based snapshots volume shadow copy service And that's how dpm works now The fact that microsoft protects the data I get this question a lot and I want to be clear because people have sworn that they've seen Um Numbers for this stuff And it's been backed up by microsoft I've done a lot of work in disaster recovery and Everybody wants to know what microsoft's rto and rpo intervals are for backups Those are recovery point objectives recovery time objectives. Basically how much of your data is protected Backward looking and then how long does it take to get your data back? people have Throw numbers around but I don't think if you go out to microsoft's site, you're going to find Any specific numbers stated the only numbers i've ever found specifically stated are for those folks who had Dedicated hosting because that that involves a different arrangement. We're all shared in the office 365 world You know you and 200 of your closest friends are in the same tenant Microsoft, I think at this point depending on the service You know the data will be backed up but to get it back and i'm thinking of share point here in particular I've seen windows anywhere from It I think we're hovering around 12 hours maybe down to four hours On average or typically Going back data loss. I've seen everything but I have no idea how much of your data is actually protected And how recently you may have made changes that are protected so That varies but those sorts of numbers are the ones that keep uh dr architects up at night and that's one of the reasons why Most folks doing dr plans who have strict rpo rto time intervals Hesitate when it comes to cloud services because if you can't get those numbers down if they don't align with your internal organizational metrics and what you are guaranteeing your users There's a lot of problem that can come out of that. So There are plenty of third party products around backup and recovery What they essentially do is use uh many of the Same mechanisms that are used for migration the migration apis to get data In and out of the various services like share point online I know I you go out and type share point online backup You'll get a whole host of ad hits and things like that. So there's plenty of third party stuff Microsoft does their own But you have to make special request if you want to for instance if I wiped out a site collection I'll have to get that back in the absence of wiping out something that that on that level a site collection Remember, you've always got your recycle bin. It's a two stage recycle bin If you use or delete something it goes to the second stage Until an admin deletes it out of the second stage Or it lapses due to a time period interval, uh, which are configurable It won't be gone forever. So if something's out of your first stage recycle bin Talk to your admin. They can get out of the second stage recycle bin and that's for things like list items and pages and whatnot All right. Yeah, there's um and of course If you're talking about Microsoft teams and there's two components There's the share point component and having a strategy for that content and the other side of that is the exchange workload So all the conversations and so typically organizations have Uh more mature offerings built around their exchange Uh solutions so you might already have something in place Obviously if it's for for at home, I mean you're going to have those same limitations I'm not sure of anything that's at that smaller and product wise That is able to go give you more of a granular backup than what you get out of the box um through Office 365, but for a small to mid-sized business up to enterprise Um, there are just like with share point. There are backup solutions that will give you that those more granular controls For the exchange side as well. So something to think about Um another question I saw posted is uh, are there any alternatives for office 365 service health health? and I so I know that uh So he he commented this is uh from samirs is the the only one I found is down detector Um, and he's looking for something what you know more broadly preferably would would be to see in in the whole of europe interesting Yeah, because I've had this conversation I was talking with um Tony francola over at siskit because siskit makes a ton of uh Uh, they'd started with the on-prem market and they've got wonderful tools for monitoring metrics performance various services and I was talking to him because the One of the things that they're working to evolve their cloud product line and he's like, what is the greatest problem? Or what is the greatest need? users have And I said well from my perspective, it's the ability to at a glance see what services are up that I use and which ones are down Because if you think about it the average end user in office 365 if a services down They don't have access to the admin dashboard in the tenant You know what they're gonna it's going to manifest for them. For instance, if I've got outlook up I'm suddenly going to be Unable to get my mail. I'm going to try to sink. I'm going to get an error and oftentimes Unfortunately for us it this manifests as you know You can't get in and so you're reprompted and so the first thought users have is I need to change my password or I've been locked out of my account And so they go out and initiate that process and it may be authentication related And so they actually get into this very inconsistent indeterminate state when it really was just a problem with exchange or Office 365 sign on if there's any way for users to see that That would be a very wonderful thing to just go out and check this dashboard or better Have it pushed to some of the office 365 products that i'm running on my desktop like office suite So I said, you know, I told tony it would be wonderful if syskit could bring something like that to the market and he The email I got back was kind of like That we'd be biting off quite a bit there or it would be, you know, a lot of stuff to We'd have to go through a lot of apis and which I understand entirely which is probably why this isn't automatically out there. So I know microsoft has been improving the The metric services and apis that you can use to gather this data on your own So we have apis developers have apis that they can pull this stuff out of office 365 But if there was some way to get real time service data And see that posted in office apps and things like that That would save an awful lot of problem a lot of an awful lot of angst on the part of users And it would save admins a lot of support calls that they really can't do anything with Boy, I'm diatriving heavy today All right, you were just doing great. We're just letting you roll Yeah, great information. So Finally Sean provides some value here. I mean come on Oh, yeah, I just can't be the eye candy all the time Or any of the time, you know Oh, uh, so navine has kind of a part two Sean to the question about the recycle bin He said the question here is is how to increase the number of days of the recycle bin The the second stage will retain content and SharePoint online That's a good question. I believe you can configure that through the SharePoint tenant admin Actually, let me go out and confirm that and we can come back to that Traditionally it was something you could do within central admin on prem Which the closest extension to that in SharePoint online, of course is going to be Tenant administration for SharePoint So I'm going out to my bit stream foundry tenant right now. You're looking that up Hey, Greg in so with your new role and everything, uh, you know, are you seeing? You know any kind of patterns and the questions within your organization So, you know, not not everyone's aware of my new role. So let me change my background to be more brand There you go for it. There you go I just switched over to be the web systems manager at Sundance and uh, We're still very early in our digital transformation. So We've got a lot of work to do there. So the the questions, you know, are Wait, let's just clarify. Greg is just whining and dining with with on the red carpet or or, uh, Red carpet adjacent It's the red Ford carpet Red carpet adjacent. That's interesting So, you know, there's still a lot that, uh, you know, we're working towards You know, our exchange servers are still on prem So, you know, we started to have some discussions around How that'll switch and you know, one of the interesting things is being in this retail market. It's kind of a newer excuse of being able to shove costs forward and backwards on, you know Quarterly results and other things, um, has a lot of advantages that they are hesitant to give up You know, despite all of the clear benefits of, you know, moving those off-prem and Into the cloud. So One of the reasons I'm there, I think I hope is, uh, to help facilitate some of that transformation and, uh, you know, the silver lining to the dark cloud is The state of the world is really forcing a lot of things to happen a lot more quickly for companies, not just Sundance to, uh digitally transform themselves And so a lot of people are suddenly scrambling to say, you know, where are our capabilities? Like how good is this? Like we talked about this from maybe a dr perspective like, you know, Sean was bringing up But maybe this is, you know, just brought more broadly business continuity And, you know, what would happen if, you know, suddenly half our workforce disappeared or, you know, no one could come into the office Um, you know, and whether that's like here in Utah, we've had a series of Smallish, you know, but large enough to feel earthquakes that, you know, had a lot of people really nervous as well You know, and so The building I used to work in was very old It had been marked as like architecturally whatever something and so they're unable to touch the building in Really meaningful ways on the outside anyway. And so inside they had like this weird mesh stuff. They glued to walls so Bricks wouldn't come loose and hit people and other things and Is that part of that like late 1970s architecturally whatever design to just glue stuff to the wall? Pretty much So, you know, but you know businesses would look at things like that and kind of assess their risk and that was, you know A lot of those physical concerns and you know, it was great that they were addressed You know, that's important too, but you look at the digital needs that companies have today and how many people are still inefficient at You know collaborating or, you know, working together in a purely digital world And even like just meetings like we're having right now like how inefficient they are and people don't Quite understand how to make it all work and as soon as you get You know more than I'm going to say five people because we've got, you know, five panelists Sort of we've got half of Lara. She's off, you know, hosing down the family, but You think people just don't Know how to like raise their hand and they sit there and they wait and you know, how's really excited to jump in here But his connections kind of janky Greg, I believe the kids say cranked Cranked, okay Yeah, so I appreciate you keeping me up on my pop culture references as well There you go. This is why we're awkward friends Many more reasons why we're awkward friends great many more. We'll just add it to the list that that burning tire fire Good times good time. Yeah Right Sean any any we were able to find anything on that other question Actually digging you keep staying, you know what I did want to bring up one thing related to that and uh This is just from past experience that you know, especially Using it as a document repository whether that's one driver business or SharePoint proper By default document versioning is turned on but it's a relatively lowish number like 50 to 100 revisions And especially when you have autosave turned on and it's cranking through those revisions pretty quickly I've seen a lot of people get bit They're like, well, there was this version I was working on last week You know, that's not that long ago. How come it doesn't have the version from last week? It's like because you're already on version 2000 and you know, whatever like yeah, that thing rolled through a long time ago and uh, you know the thing that I wish there is A lot of backup software would often say, hey, you know, I'm gonna take backups every increment You know like hourly or five minutes or whatever But then I'm going to keep one that is an hour old a day old a week old a month old a year old And so you can always roll back to those kind of known points I kind of wish there was something similar in the SharePoint versioning whereas it, you know Would purge those older versions? It wasn't just marching forward. It would say, hey I'm going to keep something from a day ago or every day I'm going to keep one backup You know, even though I'm deleting all these interim versions in between or you know, maybe make that configurable or something I don't know we start to get down the rabbit hole of You know, you're going to customize it one way and that's going to be wrong for somebody or it's going to be set that way And they expected another and I get it. There's challenges But you know, it's one of those wish list items like hey, this would actually be really helpful and solve some, you know, real world problems and Yeah, you know, maybe it's not ideal, but it's better than what we have and so hey, let's let's work towards that Yeah, the I can tell you why that is Or why you are going to have trouble getting that is because of shredded storage these days Yeah, that's true Because versioning of course when we store a version of a document We're actually as you create a new version. You're only creating You're creating a new version, but it's a delta. Yeah, exactly. And so without the intervening deltas It's hard to get back to that version because whenever you restore from 10 days ago or 10 versions ago You've got to reapply Every previous version on top of and to get back to that state. So yeah, and it's modestly Complex to say hey, I wanted to leave these five interim versions I gotta go and create new blobs. We've got to write those out to storage Yeah, it's a little bit of a mess You've got a question over here. Sorry. I missed it. So wassif was saying that he has an issue With his email says any email from outside with an attachment He can't open any of the attachments and is telling him access denied Any attachments? Yeah There are a bunch of attachments that outlook will not open simply because they've got Malware associated possibilities with them, but yeah, that's even that's generally will notify It'll tell you malware, you know is identified versus, you know, yeah You need to have the register something registered for that MIME type to be able to open it as well Effectively open it, but that wouldn't block you I think from windows trying to open it and say what app do you want to use for this? Yeah PDFs is what wassif is that any content type or is it just PDFs? Yeah, and is it outlook that's popping this message up or something else popping the message up. Yeah Well, it uses the same infrastructure, but I'd be curious like if you save it from outlook and upload it to one driver's share point You know, does it behave a little bit differently? I'd also just from a troubleshooting perspective say hey, go use an incognito browser or another computer make sure there's not something goofy with like your cookies And then also, you know checking other users like did something somehow get configured in your preferences Somewhere that is Different than what the standard is. Yeah, and a good question That was I would do the exact same thing which is go into the browser version of that try that first Because it that'll identify if it's something that is at the You know that the user the identity level versus Right something wrong integration of your desktop application. Yeah, so we confirmed he's trying to open this in the outlook client Does he a response yet? Well, even in the outlook client like by default when you click on a PDF It just shows in the preview pane and says hey, there's no preview or installed You know, you need to double click on that attachment to spawn You're associated, you know PDF viewer, which you know might be one of your modern browsers or acrobat or whatever application you have installed but I think the only previewers that are really installed are either for images or office documents, right? But those are the only ones that default I remember a hundred years ago. It probably wasn't that long. Let's be honest, but close I uh, I built an office add-in to preview XML files and just you know I'll use the IE engine just fed the XML there because it would format it Um, it was pretty trivial. I mean it was like less than a hundred lines of code, but at the same time it's kind of like Why why do I need to do this? And the pain you inflicted So I get a little clarification says that he's talking about PDFs. He can see in a preview, but he can't open acrobat Uh dc and it may be that your license for uh acrobat has expired So if you have that file type associated with an app with the adobe uh acrobat no longer have the license Enabled you won't be able to open it through that. You should be able to still open any uh pdf regardless of having a license with adobe, but it has uh It has that weird little period where it's got it still associated with that application But that might be the why you're you're getting that specific error. I've had that Well, I think acrobat's delivered through the creative suite now too, right? So if it can't talk to their servers and can't author something you may see weirdness too Yeah, well, I just had this where I uh, yeah It was my reminder that my license had expired and so I had to go in and renew that for the creative suite um But I was experiencing that same thing, but it was I was able to Um save the file and open it up uh on the desktop And so because you don't need to have acrobat to open that But you use the the free version of the acrobat. There's just the reader without the full capability Yeah, so try saving that that That uh file locally save it locally. Yeah, and then try and uh open it from your desktop because that'll go direct to acrobat and any dialogues that might be getting eaten by the um Uh office Remote invocation Though sometimes you get dialogues that are lost in the process You'll see it quite clearly and hopefully that'll give you better troubleshooting measures Yeah, and how to resolve that bow may brings up a great point and I've experienced this too So I've also noticed that outlooks temporary folder gets full which would prevent opening up attachments because That could be another problem Check your disk space Wow somebody's running out of the system drive space Has it happened in a while? Uh That's a scary situation. Well, that's the least of your concerns You're attached to the least of your concerns if you're running out of system drive space And this is the symptom here that there's another line problem. That's much bigger. Yeah You're heading towards the tip of the iceberg Well, I need to drop off because I've got a uh 10 o'clock I need to hop on and I need a couple minutes to prepare but uh, it's always fun to see my friends out in the community You know, thank you guys for Joining christians for setting this up. It's great. Great questions. Great discussion today. This was a lot of fun Thanks a lot. Greg. Yep. Talk to you all later. Take care, Greg. Yeah My great Yeah time flies Then there were three exactly how yeah Well, Greg, you know, I just had sorry he's gone. So I'll beat up on it a little bit more. But yeah, he Apparently a new job and being the president of two Separate user groups was just too much pressure for him. He just couldn't take it on and understand why He does a tremendous amount for the community here here in utah. So But uh, anyway, yeah, and then somebody's asking about changing teams backgrounds Not gonna. Uh, yeah, it's you could only blur So, well, there's uh, there's like Something like that, but it's coming third party. Yeah, I know that I've heard it's it's imminent Now it might fall in priority behind things like keeping the platform running and dealing with the Crushy You know, but I don't know they they uh, if microsoft Has their head on straight then they'll handle this background thing first Well, they went to the Showing it off quite a bit during during the mvp summit and a number of the Product group interactions and so forth. I've been to since then every all of the microsoft people the presenters are using it So and everybody's asking how did you do that? The snap camera filters are pretty cool Everybody's got a new toy. Yeah, it's a new fun thing. Well, it's I did like I'm sure like a lot of us that I Downloaded that thing. I've not gotten in a place. I've not actually turned it on so You're saying there's you have competing priorities christian Yeah, just something else came up. I don't know like, you know Sun came home after a year and a half of living in argentina little things, you know Uh, he'll still be there in two weeks. I know. Well, yes, he will be in two weeks Two weeks in a day. He'll be gone. But yeah Uh, all right any final questions. We've got a couple more minutes here Anybody from the anybody that's watching we've got about 20 people that are in watching the live stream Actually, there's two different feeds Um, so you've got about, you know, 20 and one other 17 18 and another one Um, is there any questions post them and then of course, we'll be back this evening. So this is our, uh You know americas and amia time will be back at 6 p.m. Pacific for our apac schedule And make it if you can if you've got questions, of course, you can always post questions out to the Office 365 community in facebook. I guess like a look at the camera. That's what I'm talking um You can post them out on facebook to the office 365 community And we'll be going through and monitoring that you can always reach out to any of us. We're all approachable You know, you can find us on the interwebs Um, I don't think I verbally addressed it, uh, the Oh, yes, unless you're a recycled bin settings and sharepoint online I posted a link in the chat window. It appears that you cannot configure those in sharepoint online And that makes sense because second stage or cycle bin settings are configured at the web app level and The web application level and sharepoint online is shared amongst all tenants. So that would pose a problem I'm posting over to that thread Now come on. Let me put it paste But in uh sharepoint on prem you would go an admin would go out to central admin pull up the web application Go to general settings and that's where you configure the recycled in settings Well, awesome. Well, thank you very much gentlemen and to greg and laura for joining as well and uh, I tried to um I tried to peer pressure, uh, andrew connell into joining. He was having none of that Oh Thanks, right So you have to you have to enter with your hands up that you've like you've been Sanitized sanitized the ear still in scrubs and Level a hazmat left the camera on you would have seen me walking by with bags of groceries that are going into the quarantine area That's nice or into your hoarding bedroom Uh, I still really like this a microsoft person who uh during the mvp summit had A background of like a hazmat tent and I was like, yeah Was it a pro it was I laughed out loud. I literally lol'd When I saw that and I thought it's like it was a bit strong of a visual for That's awesome. It's very funny. But I think on fox news the other day who had his background It was like he was in a bunker and had like a metal bed and like an old Timing kind of computer like console looking thing and some anyway Yeah, good times. Good times Well, uh, thanks everybody for joining. We're we're going to uh wrap this up now and we'll be back in a few hours in specifically eight hours Eight hours asia pacific time frame office hours So if you've got any questions and and any of the panelists would like to join us feel free Not like you guys are going anywhere When you put it that way christian for me I need question I have questions about how to get rid of it because I've been you know We've been going out doing outdoorsy things more. Yeah, what are you trying to get rid of flora poison ivy? I hear the double or nothing strategy is gasoline. It's an oil, you know like dissolves like So gasoline is very nonpolar in terms of solvents, but then you risk the b-tex I was saving my technical question to ask in the next session All right. Yeah Yeah, we will answer chemistry questions as well. So I live in the west. We don't have that poison ivy stuff out here or chemistry or that We got things like scorpions and seven peas rattles. What if you keep them out? All you do. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks everybody. Thanks a lot for joining and we'll uh, We'll see everybody online soon because we're not doing anything else. See you guys later All right Bye