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It's just been two months since you're on last time. So I want to ask you what's been going on in the past couple of months. What's new? I know you're traveling right now. What are you doing? Yeah, well, I'm in the UK at the moment. So we've come over for my son Lee's wedding because he got married on Monday. And yeah, yeah, it was an amazing ceremony. It was really a brilliant ceremony at the back to the dental manner, which is the Harry Krishna temple in London, just outside London in a place called Watford. And it's an amazing place to back to the dental manner. It's the place that George Harrison bought for the Krishna guys back in the early 70s. And because it was John and George that kind of helped to popularize the movement. And George bought this manor house for them in London. I'm kidding you, this place today is probably worth well over 50 million pounds. Wow. It's an incredible place. And the thing with it is the Krishna movement is really thriving in London because of they've got this amazing base. And yeah, Lee's wedding was there. And when you go to the place, it's like you drive in through the gates. It's like, you know, the crazy madness of the outside world just disappears and you you feel the energy in there. It's completely different because all of the monks that were and, you know, live there, they're of service to the local community and they're immersed in spirituality 24 seven. And it's their life. And when you struck me when I was there, they seem so happy. You know, they're living a very sort of simple or steer life in some ways because they're getting up at four in the morning and they're chanting and in meditation for hours on end and then they go out and they feed the homeless and that kind of thing. But they all seem so happy and so alive. And when you're out and about the moment, you know, you're meeting people that so many people are fearful and anxious because of what's going on in the world, but these, these people are living a different life, a different vibrational frequency they're tuned into and just experience their life in a different way. So yeah, it was it was brilliant to be there at the temple and, and just to feel that energy and obviously it was amazing to see Lee get married and have this amazing fantastic ceremony. It's been a really great week. That's awesome well congratulations Lee Lee Glenn son is also a hypnotherapist and offers sessions and I've had several with him is, you know, from the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree he's also very amazing, and he's a beautiful person so congratulations Lee I hope you're watching this that's amazing, and I happy for all of you. And I found out, I didn't realize you're a canceran like me, our birthdays only six days apart. So you're June 21, June 27. Yeah well I'm just on the cusp but because I was born early in the morning I'm a Gemini. I was born before midday. So Gemini and is yeah bang on the solstice. So I checked in midsummer's day. And, yeah, yeah, I've kind of got all the Gemini trades laser Gemini as well so we kind of were very in tune with each other. Oh that's nice. Gemini's are chatty. I found that they're very chatty very social. Yeah yeah we can talk the hind legs hind legs off a donkey as they say. And many Gemini friends so yeah it's awesome though it's great skill to have. And but it also because if you are in the cusp that also means you're, you've got a lot of properties being in the first week of that solstice that you've also got all those heart based very loving connecting properties from the canceran. Makes sense. The last time you were on the show you were saying sometimes you would start a recording and you would say oh no I'm gonna have to start that all over again. You know I want to connect with my heart first and then you can feel it through your recordings like yeah there's something very genuine there that comes through the recording to the recipient listening. Yeah, when I record I have to get in the right zone and it's you know sometimes our scripts are recording and then I think I'll record it. I've got a bit of time now you know I've got four hour window so I'll record it. And you know if I ever try to rush it or push it and I'm not in the right frequency the right energy. My voice is different it doesn't it's not right so I have to get into that sort of state to be. You know we're on projecting, you know projecting and putting the feelings into the recording because people feel it. You know I guess I often get that feedback you know people really feel it. So yes that's so important. Yeah when you say that it makes me curious. It's almost like your voice can create what solfeggio does or binaural beats do it sounds like there is also a vibration within your being and voice that can create the feeling outside of even the words or your methods. Yeah, I actually know when I've got it. I know when I've got it. And sometimes when I haven't got it. I can't force it I've just got to relax into it and let it come. It's like when you're a musician so you understand you know you, when you sing you know when you're on it don't you or you're playing you're there's a certain time when you get in that sweet spot in the zone. And then you feel it and it's the same with making meditations you know when you're in the zone it's just flows and that you channel phrases and you know it's not it's lovely. So why, why Glenn did stress of all things attract you as a niche to offer to people why in your career have you mostly talked about anxiety and sleep and stress to offer relief why are they prevalent. It's just because those issues are so big in this day and age, you know there's so many people struggling to get to sleep at night because you know they're on devices too long and you know they're wired and and all the fear and the anxiety in the world you know it's never been as bad as it is at the moment so it just makes sense that, and the recordings naturally do that you know even if I've, even if I make a recording on a certain subjects, say like weight loss you know a lot of people say, sometimes you know they haven't lost as much weight as they wanted to but they're sleeping much better. So, it's always that sleep is always a byproduct of meditation, whatever the theme it's so. And I just, yeah I really, you know like making, I like making recordings that are effective you know that really have got the something in them that I, you know if I make a recording now I can tell if it's got that sort of ingredient that's going to really connect with people. And, and I put the recordings out, I did a, I've done a couple recently one called Awaken and Ascend, which is, you know really strong spiritual recording which, you know gets people into their chakra energy and takes them on a real spiritual journey, and another one called Let Go of Fear. And those recordings I knew when I made them they've got something special and they'll have a long long lifespan. So people will be getting, you know, benefit from those in five, 10 years time. Well because I listened to your hypnosis recordings literally every day. I have, and I have your app on my phone, I have taken to. I get, I have, by the way, I have Gemini too in my relationship, my house of relationship so there's a few astrology houses like that Gemini's get bored easily, right you like challenge and change. So I, I literally buy a couple of your recordings about every week, anywhere from two to four and I realize I'm almost maxed out I almost have like literally everything you've ever created. So on your website, membership platform and I thought, oh, so what is that what does that offer. So the membership platform came about because we had a number of apps on the Android App Store. And for some reason, you know to Google they just suddenly took them all down. And they kind of sent us a vague message saying that they were too similar. But the time, the titles were different. What it had we devolved it over time where we put the whole of the app, everything we've got in each app. So the whole category given we give away a number of free ones and then the rest of the titles will be there as in apps and we duplicated that across a few apps not realizing you know and then about a year, a year ago they changed the rules. And we, it was in the small print we didn't see it and they deemed that we was spamming the store, you know, that's the last thing I'd ever do. So all of our apps came down we managed to get one back up relax and sleep well and we morph them all back into the, to that one so you know anyone who lost any apps we gave them codes to get that one back. So at that time it made me realize, you know, I'm not in control of what I'm selling here. You know you're selling to the public but you're not in control Google or Apple can change that in a heartbeat as we found out. So at that point I thought I'll build a membership site, have all of my content there and add new content videos and kind of interact with the people on there. And that was the reason it came about and it's developing over time you know I want to really add value to it and you know I've done that by adding a number of videos so if somebody on the membership site has got a particular issue they want to get over something. And it's something that would can you know connect with a number of people then I'll make a little video on that for that person and then we'll stick it up on membership site. And there's, there's ebooks on there, there's your videos, and I do webinars there exclusively for members. So, yeah that came about because we lost that Google app so yeah. And that's a pay to pay membership site. Yes, 12 pounds a month if you sign up for a year, or it's 15 a month if you just sign up for the month. Yeah, it's got everything 140 meditations on there. Wow. Wow. So yeah. Okay. So, okay that's why you went into stress and insomnia and you know just to address the things that all these people have been through and I know you yourself when you were on the show last time. You were sharing that you were raised in Balham London, the UK, and that you had kind of a rough childhood. And in a way, you were expressing that you're a miracle because many of the people in your neighborhood or that you ran around with ended up in not so good circumstances including prison, and it very well could have been you, but for the grace of God and the other choices that you made. So today you're such a world away from those self destructive patterns that you had originally, and you've done okay for a kid who didn't finish school at 15 years old. How did you Glenn, learn to look in the mirror and just love the person that you see, was there a turning point was there a breakthrough that allowed you to love and to receive yourself. And a single moment it was a gradual progression over time, because you know as I said before I was a young kid I was I grew up in a very dysfunctional, you know quite a violent household. You know I ran around with a gang that was quite violent, you know there was lots of, you know, I was talking about it yesterday I was on an interview on insight timer and I remember the time when I was literally a couple of times beaten by gangs and I was completely out for the count and it's still on my medical records today one of those where I was just beaten up so badly I was unconscious my jaw was over there black I was just in a mess and you know I was just in a really bad place I was a pro my home life so the home life was violent and unpredictable and chaotic and I was so I hung out with kids on the street who came from broken homes as well. You know it's a it's a vibrational thing again you know when you're running on that you connect with people on the same frequency. And you know it was just life was such a struggle so hard you know because I was always in trouble. I was taking drugs and drinking to sort of submerged the pain and the trauma of it all. And I didn't know any better than that you know I just thought life was like that used to wake up in the morning with this heaviness and this sort of feeling of doom and gloom and you know the feeling that bad things are going to happen. I got a law of attraction in the opposite and I'm sure enough it did you know I was always just struggling you know with permanently broke. But it was years later I did. I was the one thing I did do back then I learned to play the bass guitar, I got into a band, and it took me away from hanging around on the streets and gave me a creative outlet. I loved it you know I put a lot of energy into that young age and learn to play. And then later on I was on the cabaret circuit, and I watched a stage hypnotist, and he was performing this hypnosis on the audience that looks so powerful. And from there I wanted to learn it because I could see in that I could fix a lot of my own dysfunction and the addictions and wounds and traumas that kind of thing so from there it was that was the real epiphany. Because when I realized that it put me on a path of healing and I had a thirst for knowledge. And so over time I did learn to love myself you know and build myself a steam from the inside out. Because you know as a young kid I was just told I was constantly told I was stupid that was the you know the big thing in my childhood and I really believed it. I thought I was stupid so I never speak up when I was in a group I was very blocked. So I really worked on that when I learned hypotherapy and I really work on my self confidence my steam and you know learning to love that little boy that was, you know, growing up in a crazy world. And that was the turning point so that you know I've just built on that momentum ever since. Powerful. There's a quote from Gerard when one day your life will flash before your eyes, make sure it's worth watching. And so for people who are listening to you and feeling some kind of inspiration who may have also come from difficult beginnings or maybe they even came from I know people who are raised in amazing households and they've become addicts or they've had issues so you know it's it's relevant it's not relevant it's very interesting journey right. Go figure. Are there mindset hacks are there techniques that work that you can offer listeners who may be going through some challenges right now or have had a life pattern of challenges. I think the key thing is you have to be. You want, you know, if there's something, you know, beginning you want to get over. It's really important to crystallize that in your conscious mind. And, you know, for me a big thing was, you know, when I learned about hypotherapy and I started to use the law of attraction. I wanted to create an abundant happy life, you know where I had material things as well because, you know, I got sick of driving old bangers and living in, you know, crummy places and so that was a big thing for me so I wrote a list of things that I wanted to achieve you know a number of, you know as a young man and so I wanted these material things you know lanaster Martin a big house and, and I wrote all these things down and I was. And every single day I had built up this real determination within me this I had this fire in my belly, and it came from the fact that I'd struggled so much and not had really anything going for me. And, and also you know to prove my headmaster wrong you know he told me I was stupid and the worst kid he's had in school for 10 years. So when he kicked me out of 15 so you used all that in a positive way and I really built up this fire this drive within me that I was going to succeed and know how but I was determined to succeed and make something of my life. So every day every single day back then I would do like an hour of self hypnosis and you had these set of goals and when I was in self hypnosis I used to project them out into the universe. I really used my feelings my feelings into them. Now imagine I was driving the car and imagine that life was abundant and happy and all this kind of stuff and I really really got into it. And to the point where my wife at the time she said to me that the bed would actually vibrate when I got deep into those self hypnosis session she could build a bed vibrating because I'd go so deep with it and you know got immersed in it and I'd even do it when I was in the because I'd read somewhere that projections are more powerful when you're in water. So I just have my nose sorry sorry for giving the listeners this image but I just have my nose out the bath and be projecting out this these abundance affirmations when I was having a bath and so it became a holistic journey you know when I was driving in the car to turn the radio off and I'd be chanting mantras and you know affirmations and that kind of thing and just immersed myself in it completely. And low and behold life started to change. I started to get more breaks opportunities came along I met the right people at the right time started to make money for the first time. And it was it was amazing you know it was really amazing and then because it started working I thought wow I've created this and it just you know I just I've never stopped and so anyone can do that you know but you've got to kind of get that desire in your belly you know you know whatever it is you want to do if you want to become abundant or you want to lose weight or you want to get it and you have to really get focused on that and give it all of your attention and you know get that determination first and the clearing you know I'm sure we'll talk about this as well clearing aspect is also really important. Yeah, you know so absolutely. Oh gosh I love that you just shared those really specific examples. So you know because I've dabbled in this and not fully realizing some of the technology I was using that it, why it worked. So for instance, I mean I can say, and an easy note because everybody knows about a vision board. I would say oh vision boards don't work but you know they did for me. I mean I literally created a car down to the color and it was a weird color but I knew I wanted it in forest green, the exact model. And everybody's like, you know, come on, I would go to dealerships and they'd say, it's going to be that's a shot in the dark, and then I did get a call the next day going. It's so strange somebody just pulled in a forest green Lexus RC 430 and they want to sell it you know things like that and it's like yeah of course. And also, without knowing this. It's so interesting you would say bathtub because I had done one Los Angeles marathon. 6.2 miles and when I was done with that marathon successfully I thought great I can take that off my bucket list. But as life would have it a number of circumstances, brought me back into the training again for a second year. And I thought well I need a new goal. And I made my goal to lop off time my finish time I wanted to be shorter. So I just came up and I thought 30 minutes. I researched it and it showed 30 minutes is very grand. It's a big goal to go after when you're doing 26.2 miles and you're just a, you know, you're not like a world class runner or anything. But I, I every night I trained of course, physically on the outside world, but in the inside world every night two weeks before the actual marathon. And I would visualize myself coming around the final corner, seeing the clock exactly the time I wanted it, going through the finish line and feeling elated. And I did that night after night very simple, and then came the day of the race. And just much like that I was in actuality in reality running around the corner, looked up at the clock, went through the finish line. And when they came, the volunteers came to take the chip off of my sneaker because I completed the race. I was crying, and everybody was alarmed like are you okay. And I said no I'm so happy I'm so happy, because I took one hour off of my finish. It was beyond. And I just said that that was the bath. That was the visualizations, because left my own devices. I don't know that that would happen. Powerful. Yeah, yeah, because your mind doesn't distinguish between what's real and what's imagined. So if you're constantly visualizing yourself running at this faster time and, you know, to, you know, and doing that and you're doing it over and over again when you come to a race for real, you've primed yourself you're in a peak performance state, you know, all great athletes know this and they do that, because they, you know, if you're a football or a runner or whatever it is you need to peak at that moment. And it's really about getting your mind in the zone to, you know, to really, so that's amazing that you did that I mean an hour off from a marathon time is incredible. You know, it was so. Our next year I'll see you. Yeah. I don't know. You know what I loved about it mostly is that it was a doorway for me it's like if it's possible with something like this and a physical race. It's like if it's possible with something else as possible and all of a sudden the limitlessness was open. So it makes me curious because earlier you brought up, you know, one of the things you help people with his weight loss. And I would think that's one of the toughest subjects of all of the ones you could work on simply because you have to take the beast out at least three times right you have to eat at least, unless you're going to fast and maybe have one meal a day but in three times or if they do smaller meals six times. And I think when you keep opening yourself to interact with your drug of choice, it can be very difficult. So what results have you seen with weight loss like how do you use things like this to literally not just tame the beast but to actually have a healing. So food becomes fuel, as opposed to a need. Yeah, that's an interesting question because it is probably one of the biggest issues that I've seen clients for because, you know, so many people have dysfunctional relationships with food you know there's, you know, and their bodies as well. Yeah, that's a big part of it. And so I've seen a lot of clients over the years for weight loss issues. And I always say that you know if you had 10 clients that all had that issue, you'd have to work with them, each one of them in a different way, because there's always a different root cause as to why they're why they've got the issue first place. And you know I've seen some clients who've been abused at a young age and so they've actually put on weight to make themselves in their own mind unattractive to the opposite sex to not attracting the attention. You get things like that going on with the weight loss issues. Sometimes you know people use food to push down emotions and you know to make themselves feel better and you know using sweet foods as a treat that kind of thing so it was always a client therapy session I'd, you know, do a lot of analysis with to really find out what's at the heart of it and, and the key with that is you know again you know if the, the right motivation was there to to get fit and healthy and to lose weight, then, you know, more often than not the sessions are successful they work. You know sometimes you'd see clients who'd come because their partners have pushed them into going to see hemotherapy and they weren't motivated in the right way so they were, and they were, they could be harder sessions so it's a very complex issue. You know I had other sessions I had a thinking of the same theme I had a celebrity session for a magazine in London where this magazine had sent me five celebrities, you know, various or various sort of stature. And each one of them had a fiction or a phobia and I had to fix them all for this editorial piece. And the lead, the lead celebrity is a lady called Andrew McLean she's quite she's well known in the UK. She was on a daily TV show, and she had a chocolate addiction. And it was so bad and every single day she did a big bar of chocolate, and she'd done that for years and years and she was kind of getting away with it she still look good but, you know, she was worried she was going to take its toll. So I did the session in my published my publishing house up in London. And, and I was aware when I was speaking to her that there was some more gratification from this sweet hit that she was getting from the sugar, you know, from the chocolate. It was more than just gratification so I regressed her back to the first time that she felt this kind of overwhelming impulse to eat chocolate all the time and she went back to being a young kid and what what happened at that time her dad used to hide chocolate around the house. And her and a sister used to be on this mission to find it. And when they found it at this eureka moment it was all exciting. She needed a dad wouldn't let them eat it. So she had all this stuff going on in her unconscious mind and bring that into a conscious awareness and also changing the emotion she had attached to chocolate all these positive and forbidden feelings that she had emotions and that kind of thing. It was I was able to clear those can that conditioning that was driving it was kind of underpinning it was driving it. And then I did an aversion techniques so I got to imagine chocolate mixed up with rot in it and you know you kind of when someone's in a translate like that they can really get into that. And it was powerful really powerful and she phoned me up or couple of weeks later she said, I feel terrible I feel absolutely terrible I'm going through this cold two weeks by feel awful because the first time her body was releasing it. You know she was she was literally going cold turkey, and she said that even if she saw a chocolate advert on the TV, she'd feel nauseous she'd want to So the session works so well, but it, it was the fact that I combined the regression and the clearing part with her dad and also the aversion technique that made it work so well. And if I just done the aversion technique it might have worked for a while, but ultimately the drive from conditioning would have come back and she would have, you know drifted back into it so that was it she, she couldn't even watch advert it will make a throw up and then I saw her about two months later of photo shoot and we were filming in London. And she said she'd never touched it again and she's still, you know occasionally talks about it on the TV show. Yeah, it's a great story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I, it makes a lot of sense when you describe needing to go in and remove whatever is the operating system, you know wipe it out. So there's that clean slate and you can put in a new program to run. Yeah, I think without creating nothing or no thing in that space. That's been the behavior pattern whatever it is. It's hard to create on top of it. Yeah, that's the thing and just to add to that you know the recordings, say my weight loss is very generalized you know it does help a lot of people but there's no substitute for one to one session. You know if you've really got those, you know, conditioned patterns of behavior running. You know so that's why the clearing stuff is so important. Do you only work with celebrities these days. Do you still offer one on ones or do you have some other regular folk clientele. I tend to nowadays. I do stuff for media and that kind of thing occasionally, but I'm so busy with the recordings because you know I'm literally selling a million recordings a year now so it's I'm so flat out with that that it's, that's my focus now you know I've seen thousands of clients over the years and I feel like I've done my apprenticeship and I've you know done my time doing that. And now I'm focused on the recordings that's my way you know and if I make a recording. I'm so fortunate I put it out there and it reaches thousands of people. So I'm blessed and and if anyone wants a one to one session as you know I send them to Lee and, you know, leaves a chip off the old block and as you said the acorn doesn't fall far I'm really lucky that leaves you know got that it's got that gift and so he's seeing my the clients that I can't see. Some of the work you're doing lately uses the technology we mentioned earlier which is so Feggio frequencies and by neural beats fact one of the ones I have your hypnosis mp3's I listened to yesterday had both in it, both so Feggio and by neural is like, I love it. Let's do this. I want to say that 396. That's exactly the one I did. Yeah. Yeah. So beautiful. Oh my gosh. And I want people who don't know about I mean, I think at this point, probably most everybody's heard of it, maybe many people understand it in depth but can you talk a little bit about what happens healing wise or scientifically. So folks understand why you imbue some of your recordings with this. Yeah, well the, the soul phageo frequencies are six main frequencies that Gregorian monks used to charm to invoke certain states, and also to clear certain issues. For example, that one the 396 hertz, they would chant that frequency to release feelings of guilt and fear. So you can imagine that's pretty powerful in all of us you know we will wherever you're at you know that's we've all got elements of that in us. Yeah, that was a really, and when the soul phageo frequencies got rediscovered in the nineties by Dr Len Horowitz and another doctors name escapes me. They wrote a book about it and they repopularized them and myself and a shamanic friend at the time I was hanging out with. Who's a very gifted musician we decided to make meditations based on those six frequencies. And so you've got the combination of Alice, Ali called it was amazing music, because he wrote music for by a wasca ceremonies that he was holding and so he knew how to make real amazing frequency music. So he made the music we scripted a meditation together and you know imbued it with everything around the each of the tones each of the frequencies. And you also got that amazing alchemy of the music frequency and then my voice and the meditation and you know it's kind of like when you get a band together and everyone's trying in the little bit and it makes something greater than the sum total. And that's what we did and and those recordings have gone out there and even Dr Horowitz he wrote to us one day at the blue and he said, I've listened to a lot of frequencies soul phageo frequency says yours is spot on. He even bought us a tiny ball. He was buying them and selling them on his website. So we knew we'd got them right. And yeah, they're powerful recordings, you know, we, we, you know, you feel the energy of them there's a that frequency that time when you hear it just goes through every seven fiber in your body is powerful stuff. You know, yesterday, I had a sports medicine massage, which means they go after the fast shot. It's pretty deep. It can be a little uncomfortable. While they're working out, you know, if you've done anything major going on. It was 90 minutes. It was really interesting as my first time with this guy. God he's good. He came highly recommended. And he explained to me at least 10 minutes after starting to work on my body said first I have to understand the lay of the land after understand what's going on with your body. Now that I got it and I'm going to start working on with you. Give me one minute. I'm starting this soul phageo music, and I'm picking something specifically to help heal you in a sound wave vibration. I'm going to work on you physically. I'm like, Oh my God, this guy is in my tribe. This is so great that he's doing and that he understands the technology that even when I'm laying on a massage table getting worked on. I can be also listening to this music, whether I pass out, you know, and it's subliminal or it's conscious but that there's two things operating at once to really help me. Yeah, when you've got that healing coming at you in, you know, in frequency and in physical, it's powerful, isn't it? Because you're getting them, you know, it's mind body spirit, isn't it? Yeah. So, yeah, that's always the thing, you know, with the recordings, I try to put as much of that kind of thing into the recordings, you know, the feeling I want to project out, I want to get across, you know, I really get into that. You know, it's like, I suppose, you know, when somebody plays a part, you know, they're acting, you kind of really get into it and I tried to do that in the meditation when I make a meditation, you know, really get into that feeling. It's powerful stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So this, this is ancient for folks who haven't dabbled in it before, as he was saying, it actually goes back, it's traced back to medieval him by John, John the Baptist. That's how old Sofegio is. And the original Sofegio six tone scale was developed by a Benedictine monk. And I think it's something like Do Re Mi Fa So La. And then I think something like that. But it's, it's definitely starts Do Re Mi Fa. And then I'm not sure where it skips because obviously we have a seventh in our tones today. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the frequencies are, I know is it UT is the first one, isn't it? It's similar to that. But yeah, the UT, yeah, that's it. And they go from this. But yeah, so if there's so much, so much in those tones and those frequencies, you know, there's, you know, I'm never one of those who needs to sort of scientifically understand it. I'm never good at kind of explaining that side of it. So I kind of feel it. I know, I know that it works. I trust that it works. And I project that, you know, that's the thing I, I've got a brother, my youngest brother is very scientific. And he always needs to know how things work. And he wants to know, but I just know if I sent something works, I go with my gut feeling I trust it and that's good enough for me without needing to know the mechanics of it. And when we were kids, we'd go with Christmas, I always remember Christmas day we, I've been playing with my toys are going to see him and he'd taken his toys apart because he needed to know how they work. It was just the way we were wired up as young kids, you know, it's still with us now and take the Mickey out of him now for that, you know, that's hilarious. What did he end up doing with his life. He's in it. No surprise, he fixes people's computers and yet build software that kind of stuff. Perfect. Oh my God. Very mechanical. I know that you and I have ceremonies in common. And just last week and I did my first San Pedro ceremony. Have you done San Pedro the cactus yet. I only micro dosed it micro dosed it. But I'm here just never really had the opportunity. But some fun enough, Nicola, my wife said to me today that she's just connected with somebody who will hold ceremonies where we live in Portugal. So I thought, Oh, wow, that's that's interesting. So, you know, is the when the students ready the teacher will arrive and it happens, especially with medicine. So you've, I know you've done ayahuasca and probably different variations from whatever country but you've not yet, outside of micro dosing tried the San Pedro. No, no, yeah. Now it's on my sort of radar with this guy and then I'll research it and look into it. It's different. It's really different ayahuasca. Is it. Very. Really. Yes. Is it as intense. Is it as powerful. Yeah. So here's the thing, it depends on the shaman, as you know, it depends on the brew that they create, because not all bruises are like, and then it depends on the state of mind and being that you're in probably if I did it five more times with different people, it would be completely different. I will say in general, and it'll be interesting because I'm sure people weigh in and have different points of view and they'll all be valid. And I, and I've only done it once is that I much prefer ayahuasca. And let's see, I went into it thinking, oh, you know, it's like the happy lighter version. Right. It's like, yeah, ask a light and think, but you know it wasn't like that at all. Although I also want to say, here's what's amazing. I had all the ways I didn't feel like I went through quite a gestalt, or an awakening in a divine aspect like I did with ayahuasca or Yahe, etc. However, that's not true at all, because a lot of it in retrospect and I'm still it hasn't even been a week so I'm still incorporating. There's some really major things that I became aware of. And I literally the day after the ceremony came out and started making phone calls to clean up stuff. I started reaching out. I started setting up appointments, there were things I had to handle period. So that was wonderful. And that means a lot of great stuff happened. And the other thing was some interesting letting goes some because I came in with some physical stuff I wanted to release. And I'm on it now. I'm, I mentioned the massage and there's other things but I'm on it I realize no I'm done with this. I whatever this is needs to go, we need to work out. One of the interesting things like I know this was was in a huge revelation but what was really beautiful was releasing I think the energy around it. I'm a child of the Holocaust. Well, how do I say this my father was a child of the Holocaust. And has an incredible story about they call what he went through the hidden children so he was hidden as a little Jewish boy in churches change they had a changes identity of five years old running all around, you know, in orphanages that were Christian as a Jew and changing his name and the middle of the night they'd come and get he and his brother and say the Nazis found out about you we have to flee you have to go to another orphanage so over and over, you know, he had a lot of trauma around this and so they there's this thing called the second generation. Yeah. And I know about all this so none of this is a surprise, but during the medicine, I could feel the heaviness of what didn't belong to me, but then under. And I just, you know I took it it seems so simple at the time, but just sort of took it out and said you know, doesn't belong to me. It doesn't help me. I'm not helping anybody. And I just return it to center with love and consciousness attached. And just, you know, let it go and it seemed. That's amazing. Amazing. It's, I don't know if you can still hear me Debbie so you frozen on the screen so hopefully it will correct itself. Yeah, I hear you wonderful. I'm talking just in case you can. It happens with ayahuasca. Did you hear me Debbie because I lost you for a minute. No, I think you're, you're going a little bit in and out, and even your picture is getting very deep. Suddenly, it's, it's the time of year in the UK where it suddenly gets dark. And I mean, as I said, I'm traveling on my normal place so I couldn't set it up how I wanted it but. Yeah, just repeat that. Yeah, that's an amazing story you just told there because ayahuasca, the plant medicine does pretty much the same thing. And I had this amazing experience in one of my ceremonies where I was getting messages from my patriarchal downline. And I might have, sorry if I told this story last time, but it is one that sticks with me and it's relevant to what you just said. And that's where I saw my father, my grandfather, his father, as like the faces in Mount Rushmore, like the presidents. And that's how they would communicate me. It was a really weird one. And they were saying to me, keep doing what you're doing because you're healing the family karma. And, you know, going back in my patriarchal downline, they were bookmakers, boxers, gamblers, wheeler and dealers, ducker and divers, you know, they didn't always make their money in the best way. So I, you know, for the first time in the lineage, I'm healing, I'm projecting out healing and doing good work in that way. So I've got this really strong message, keep doing what you're doing because you're healing the family karma. And up until that point, I've never really been aware of that concept. I've never really heard of it. But then I read about it afterwards and it's a byproduct of ayahuasca and the ceremonies. So how amazing that you were doing the same in your San Pedro ceremony, you were healing your family downline in a similar kind of way. You know, it's, and how amazing that there are plants in this world that allow you to do that. It's mind blowing. You know, we could, we could, you know, every person on this planet could absolutely shine and blossom and heal from the inside out if we were allowed to. If there weren't these dark pharmaceutical forces that are controlling things, you know, that, that's the reality. You know, this, this battle between dark and light is in full flow now. And, you know, the healers know it, the healers know what we could have and what, how the world could be, how we could all exist. You know, but we're, you know, we're battling this, these other energies, but yeah, I want to track a little bit there, but that's the ultimate what's going on, isn't it? Yeah. And it's interesting healers. I have had a couple of occasions where I know people who are pretty powerful healers, and they have never done ayahuasca, but they speak about it as though they have with incredible intimacy, just because they read energy. And it's like, no, I really don't think that's a good thing to do. And here's why. And they seem to have all this very specific information, but I, it actually bothers me because I think how there is no way you can talk about something that you've not tried. It's obviously organic. It's a plant, right? It's not LSD, not a chemical. It's literally a plant. And once the plant is in you, the beautiful thing about the plant is it still lives in you. It will still communicate. I made sure before I went to do the, we have a lot of San Pedro cactus around here. So the night before, because I was scared, I'm always scared before I do something like that, like, I don't know what's going to happen. And so I went out and I put, sorry. It's a journey into the unknown, isn't it? It's very unknown. Yeah. And I put my hands on the cactus, not on the thorny bar, but you know, just actually on the beautiful green cactus. And I just did some prayer with it and let it know what my intentions were. And then I asked it for help and guidance and just had a whole connection with it. And I had heard that if you spit into the soil and then put water in it, your energy gets into the plants and it into you. Obviously the next day it would literally be in me. So that's what I did. And I really did feel held. I really did feel taken care of. And that I had this connection. I made sure the day after to go out and thank it as well. You know, thank you for me and for what was wrong. Yeah, that's an important part, isn't it? The blessings and the respect you give to the plant, you know, for what it's done for you. And yeah, it's an amazing thing. I've got a ceremony. I'm booked in for a ceremony about a month's time back in Portugal. I've met a shaman there. You know, felt really ready to journey again. And I've met this guy and he's an amazing shaman. So I'm booked in. And the thing is, as soon as you make that commitment to the ceremony, things start to come up. It's amazing. You start to have issues coming up in you because they're ready to be healed. And it's almost like the medicine is there to, it starts that process early. And it's an amazing thing. The intelligence of it is something that, you know, I don't fully understand and, you know, but I've seen it in amazing ways. And talking about Lee again, he would he journeyed a couple of weeks ago. There was an opportunity to do a ceremony here not far from here where I'm staying with a friend of his. And he took it and he went and he had an amazing journey. You know, tough. He said it was really tough at times. It was all, all guys. And they were outdoors. It was through the afternoon rather than through the night. And he said they're all outdoors in this big garden. And he said it was, you know, tough, you know, guys having really tough experiences and. But he was ready for it. He's so mentally prepared for it and went through it and had an amazing time. And I've noticed that was two weeks ago and I've had conversations with Lee where he's just dropping these knowledge bombs. And he doesn't know he's doing it, but I'm hearing this wisdom in him. That is, you know, higher, higher wisdom that not that he didn't have before, but it's just the medicines given him something extra, you know, and he's his whole perspective on what's going on today. You know, he's given me sort of insights on a spiritual level as to what's happening in the world at the moment. And, you know, how the easiest way to understand it is from an energetic viewpoint. And yeah, we've had some amazing conversations. So it's like you said, you know, it stays with you that the experience of the medicine and the wisdom that you experienced in the ceremony. It stays with you and it just, you know, you grow and you get lighter, you know, you've cleared stuff within you and you just move on. It's like, you know, graduation almost. What is different about the one you're going to be doing in a month besides the shaman is the is the actual plant you're going to be drinking different or what what attracted you. Well, what it was, I'd, I'd spoken to Nicola, my wife, and she's never journeyed before. And she was always quite a good girl when she was young, so she never took drugs. She never took drugs, but she said she feels ready. You know, the medicine's calling her. So we were talking about it. And then I put my barbecue up the cell. And lo and behold, this gentleman comes along, who's a shaman and wants to buy it. He recognized me because he'd seen me in the film The Time in the Six Sun. I had a tiny little part in this film, and he saw what he recognized me from this film. And so, you know, so I said to him, look, I told everyone else he had sold and I said, look, come along and he sat in my back garden with his wife and we just spoke for two hours about, you know, medicine and healing and spirituality. You know, I forgot all about the barbecue. And I suddenly thought, you know, and he holds ceremonies 25 minutes up the road from where I am. And he's in Pine Mountain Peru. And, you know, he's, he's a real strong, solid guy and I trusted him. And I thought, well, that's amazing. You know, me and Nic have been talking about it. And all of a sudden this shaman comes along to get my barbecue. And he alone, but that's the thing. When you're ready, you put it out there. I say to people, you know, meditate on it. If you really want to, you'll find the right shaman or the right opportunity. If you meditate, reject it out there. And so, yeah, we've been up to his place and he lives in this lovely little valley up in the hills inland a bit. He's got a lake on his land and it's an amazing place, a little dojo. And we're going to journey in there in there and Nic's going a week before me and then a week after. So can't wait. Can't wait. I'm really up for it. Oh my gosh. I am so excited for Nicola and her first experience. Congratulations in advance. And you know what, as well Debbie, the thing is, you know, Jason, the shaman, he sent us through a list of things we've got to do. I've never had this before, but he said, so a month before you've got to really start to refine your diet. You know, no spices, no garlic, no salt, no stuff like that. No nookie either. Sex is off the agenda. Are you having trouble with that? Yeah, big time. I love my wife. So yeah, you know, all those things, but you know, so it's a different approach. So we're rolling with it. We're going with that. You know, if that's the way he wants to roll the ceremony. I'm trying. It's a new new experience for us. But oh yeah. That's very true. I mean, every ceremony I've ever done, that's what I've received from the shaman. I mean, you know, six, seven, however many times in different places, I've done it. Is the diet that is really important and that we've been listening to books on ayahuasca and San Pedro from the shaman's been great books on audible. And they talk about the chemical interaction. So the reason why no spice, no garlic, no meat, no dairy, no alcohol, no coffee. And people may be going, oh my God, I die. You don't actually, it's fantastic. You basically can have fish, you can have seafood, you can have salads, vegetables, smoothies. I mean, only the hardest thing for me always is the coffee. I'm like, maybe coffee and sex too. But it's like, yeah, it's interesting. It's so, yeah, coffee. I'm showing my true colors here, but I really love my daily coffee and it had impacted this time to not, but still I follow the diet because you also as much as possible, don't want to get nauseous, or have to expel or purge. And it also gives you the best cleanest experience. So your body is a conduit for the plant medicine in the most. That's it. Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it? And it's a good focus. You know, if you do want to give up anything or get clean, you know, having a goal to aim for like this in a month's time, you know, we're really up for it. I've been totally on it and, you know, mine's a week after hers. So I'm just getting my head around it now and getting focused on those things. But yeah, I'll do that. I want, I want to have the best possible experience and clear as much stuff as I can. And so I'll go into it, you know, really focused on this stuff. And, you know, yeah, it's going to be amazing. And I had a friend of mine who I was living in the UK at the time he was living in Spain. And when I first told him about ayahuasca, he was, he was so drawn to it, he wanted to do it. And he was like a real hippie from the 60s, you know, so he'd done a lot of acid in his younger life and he was up for it. But he knew what it was all about. He knew it was a spiritual journey and he knew the therapeutic benefits of it. And I'll never forget when he came over, he walked into the room and he had all these white robes on. He looked like Gandhi. He was already was brown as a berry from being in Spain and he'd so prepared for it. He was so up for it, so ready for the medicine that when he drank, he just soared into it and he had most amazing experience. And it's the preparation before is a big part of it. It's a really important part. So I'm making it more serious this time than I've ever done. And, you know, if this is helpful to Nicola, you know, I'm still scared when I do it. So I felt, I felt a lot coming up, you know, we did social distancing masks outdoors also in the day like you're describing for the San Pedro ceremony. And because I'd never done it before I was scared, and I was sitting and I felt before I drank, I felt it ramping up. And I could feel there was a precipice where it's like, okay, this could go full launch into panic. And so, you know, it's like in those moments, I mean, we even have lucid moments of wisdom pre drinking because immediately the next thought is you have a choice, you're at a path right across roads, you could either launch yourself like who panic bill here we come, or you do the other, which is to not know, be safe anyway and jump. And I thought I far clearly I wanted clearly it calls to me. And there's a reason I have to trust the reason I don't have to know, even though I want to, and just jump. And it's like the moment I make that choice. There's this abandon right just go go go go go. I did everything they told me to do and the way they told me to do it because it's quite disgusting, you know, close your nose just get it down before coagulates and I did. And that was smart. That was really smart. And then let the games begin, you know, then the journey is going to begin for 10 hours. It's like, it's the best therapy in the world. And that's it, you know, even if you're even if it frightens you, you know, if it doesn't frighten you, there's something wrong with you, it should do because you're, you know, you're going on a journey into the unknown, you know, and you don't know what's going to come up. You know, so it's, it's good to have a bit of that fear, you know, it focuses your mind. Yes, it's an amazing thing and I know one of my son's friends who journeyed with it years ago when he when he first took it and he, he was a tough lad this kid he was, you know, a bit of a brawler who's always getting in fights in nightclubs and he knew he wanted to fix this part of him and when he went down there with Lee back back then he drank the medicine and they said for two hours he just he stood in the corner saying who the fmi who the fmi didn't know who he was and he was just saying this over and over like a mantra. And because what happened to him for the first time in his life he was outside of his ego, yonked his identity and his personality and just didn't know who he was. And yes, it's powerful, you know, it takes you into places that, you know, realms and places that you don't, you're not aware of at times, you know, scary, scary places. So it's good to be a little bit frightened of it and, you know, I will, you know, as it gets closer to the medicine this is a new ceremony and new experience a new place. You know, I'll have that fear up in me. I'll use it in a positive way. I feel like every year Glenn is sort of has a theme. I've noticed that that there's some kind of theme, something I'm supposed to learn something I'm incorporating and, and I love that usually it's obviously revealed to me. I mean, I could choose a theme and that's fine. But usually themes choose themselves at a soul level. And I know I know what mine is this year is what's the most important thing that you've been learning this year. What's the thing that's come up for you the most to learn from and deal with. I suppose for me the biggest thing this year in particular it's kind of brought it to the surface more is for me that you know how important family is. I know that's probably a bit of a cliche but I was somebody who grew up in a very, very dysfunctional and violent household so I did I never had that lesson at the beginning. You know, and I'm still very disconnected. My dad's still alive. My mom's not. I'm very disconnected from my father so I never had that family thing you know that. So I was always a young kid. I was always very independent. I, you know, run away from home when I was 12 and sleep rough on the streets and, you know, and I survived on my own because I just built up this independence and I've always been very independent and my wife said to me you know that it's times you don't need anyone it's like you don't need anyone but you know in some ways that's a good thing because you're very independent but the downside of that is that you put people away. And that's been a theme for me so for me to really embrace family and to really, you know, realize the importance of family has been a bit of a breakthrough for me you know it's been a real big thing so I think this year. You know with the lockdown and everything and it made me it really made me realize that and value it as well and and realize what an amazing thing you know just having a being in a little family unit with your, your wife and your kids and you know my older son Lee, what an amazing blessing that is and I love that you know so the relationship thing you know that's that's been the most important thing for me this year. I just want to drive people to Glenn Harold.com if they want more information on you GL EN and HR or LD calm. And is there anything at the end, Glenn here that you'd like to say to the listeners. Yeah I just think as you know, we've been talking about you know, the work you do on yourself is the most important thing you can do in this life the clearing work, because you know we've incarnated into this, you know, crazy world of dark and light people going on and, you know, but we've chosen to incarnate at this time with all its challenges and it's, you know, life has never been more challenging than it is at the moment it's, people are very divided and struggling in different ways. But, you know, it's a really heroic journey I read this once years ago you know the assholes have chosen a really heroic path. And here we are we've rocked up you know we've put a chest out you know shoulders shoulders out and we're we're here you know we're doing the best we can in this world and trying to get as clear and light as we can so. And I think you know the way to really navigate your way through this life is to get as clear as you possibly can through through hypnotherapy through, you know, kinesiology other therapies plant medicine. You know, San Pedro, ayahuasca, whatever it is that calls you, you know get as clear as you can because this is the opportunity to really come back to that person. You're supposed to be and to get lighter freer. And that's it you know and I'll be doing this work when I'm 90 I'll never stop. You're I can tell that you're on that same path you're constantly looking for new ways to get clearer and move forward and you know we're both on it and it's great because the rewards are amazing. I want to check out and ascend and you know experience a higher vibrational future lifetime. I think that's why it works I think you know whatever your vibration is when you check out of this planet you're going to connect on a in another dimension at that same vibration. I'm so you came back on the show. This is, again, been so fast. A time to spend together and Yeah, I just enjoy you so much. I really love the conversation. I feel the same you know with, you know, I think you have musicians, you know, and the experiences we've had you we've shared, you know we're on a similar understanding and yes it's great is he so easy to chat with you so anytime Debbie anytime. Thank you. Yeah. Cool music really came up for me in this last ceremony to and I just got it you know the shaman said to me I used to be a really great violin player when I was a kid I was, you know all county orchestra and stuff and you know, then I turned 16 and other things became important to me and I left lessons and I left the violin and, as you know I was a singer for most of my professional life and then I, I stopped doing that to do podcasting radio and books and it's been an interesting journey and I had that feeling of like, where does that go when we stop it like that we stop the violin at 16 we stop singing, you know, fully as an adult and, and, you know, and I talked about it post ceremony and the shaman said to me. It doesn't go, it is still there, and you can start doing violin lessons yes it'll be something and maybe harder than when you were a kid, but you could start that again. And although you know I'm the jury's still out on that I'm not sure how I feel about, you know having to get back into lessons would take, but the singing it's like, oh I still have a voice so I immediately started pulling up ceremony songs and looking at sheet music and I started practicing, you know now it's amazing what's online and available. I am going to start doing that again so that was something that came up through me was my love of music and missing it in my life. So, yeah. Obviously such an important part of your life and you never lose that you know, you know not for me you know I love writing songs and creating music and I'm not doing that at the moment but at some point I'm sure I'll come back to it because when you get so much from it, you know it's it's always there isn't it. I think just timing has to be right you know at the moment I'm very, I've been really focused on my career for the last year and getting more webinars and being more visual with it. So the music will come back and you know it's when you're ready and yeah that's it. When the music is ready the student appears. That too. Oh gosh, folks to find out more about him you can join his member website, Glenn Harold calm highly recommended it's one of the only things and I'm, you know, I'm not getting paid to say this it's one of the literally the only things and people I can listen to that a creates a difference and be actually allows me to surrender and go deep into the hypnotic state. Just a lot of people out there of recordings it's like God bless him but it actually irritates me but but Glenn is Glenn is the real deal. So reason why is world renowned. I end this show with this quote from Mark Twain kindness is a language that the deaf can hear and the blind can see. Subscribe to the show, leave us a review please so others can find the conversation, share this show with friends and family. The upcoming guest on dare to dream next week is Denise Colette. She is a profound healer who runs core trauma healing created for healing from childhood trauma and addiction. Her energy work is extremely special and deep she's highly gifted. I have experienced it firsthand through her and with her. So definitely tune in to find out what is possible for you to heal some core trauma or addiction. You can enjoy the show on all the podcast sites, Apple podcasts, in particular and many others as well as youtube.com slash Debbie dashinger. Thank you so much for joining us today on the show. It's always a pleasure to be here with you. And if ever there was a time in this planet to dream and create your dreams, it is now we need you. Thanks for joining.