 we gon' talk, we gon' have fun. We be on fire, we hustle, big shit. Big shit, big shit. It's a unique hustle, nigga, big shit. Big shit, big shit, big shit. Name another podcast. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hustle, it's your boy, E-C-E-O, and I'm here with the lovely official, Mr. Mako. What's going on? Thank you for the introduction. What's going on? Love it. Yeah, I did my thing right there, huh? Yes, yes. Hey, man, check it. I can keep working with you over there. Hey, man, that ain't been a while, man. That's how you keep it fresh. Same, so check it, man. We got a guest here, man. Hey, man, he came on the show, man, and we just blessed the heaven, man. He been throwing jewels our way, too, been blessing us. And I hear it all through the city, man. When you hear somebody name and everybody say the same thing about him, it gotta be true. They said, man, he gon' bless you. He gon' keep trying to help you. That's what he do, man. Say, man, Corey Clout is in the building. What's going on, baby? What's up, E? Hey, man. Official, Mr. Mako. Hey, you better get it right here. It's a Mr. Mako on Instagram. I know that, you know, what you, you know. No, this one says the official. That ain't the official. So check it, man. You know, been in the music game for a long time and other things, you know? You just well-rounded, man, but entertainment has been your thing. Just give us a little bit about yourself. You know, I think about me. Yeah, about you? My gift is really marketing. Like I tell people, I don't have talent. My talent is telling other people that people, about people who have talent. So identify greatness and promote it to the world is my slogan. So I network, I run my mouth, and you know, if you've got talent, then we can brand and I can market. Those are the two things that I'm done, whether it be in the music industry or whether it be for other businesses. My God-given gift is really marketing, branding campaigns and, you know, doing that. That's what I do. And the funny thing is that when you say, you know, it's running your mouth and just telling people about somebody, some people might say, oh, that's easy. Hey, and he gets paid for that, but they don't realize how hard that can be to keep on, you know, marketing somebody or pushing somebody and not only telling them how good they are, but sometimes you tend to have to motivate that person as well. Sometimes you gotta tell them when they're not good. That too. Correct, correct. That is so true. So many people just tell people what they wanna hear. You gotta have some tough skin and be honest with people so they can grow. I agree, Cor. Yeah, those are the people that won't give you a favorable thing is when I've had to tell them, man, you should be a CEO, maybe not the rapper, but. I'd rather be wrong once with them than wrong 50 times with DJs and break 50 bonds. And I ain't always right, but, you know. Now, have you been paying close attention to the way the music has transcended into the data streaming side of it? I know you started early on. What do you, so you pay close attention to it now? I mean, pretty much with us having the TV show coming up, I try to see who's trending, who's moving a lot of units on there and stuff like that. Keep up with all the different charts now. So is that what, that's pretty much a lot of, some of your guests gonna be people that's been around and in the industry. What is the whole setup about on the TV program? So the TV show is called Famous and it's spelt F-A-M-U-U-S. Okay. Famous artist models, urban underground scenes. So each one of those is part of the segment in the show. So it'll get into, of course, you know, celebrity talk. It'll get into the artist as far as who has new product coming out, dropping with the labels, dropping on the streets, anything like that. You know, models that are, you know, making moves, fashion stuff. That's what's up. You know, urban culture, urban movies, you know, urban trends. And then underground scene is like, who's really about to be next? I think that's the main difference on our show is that. And then scenes is like, what's the scene in Oklahoma City? What's the scene in Los Angeles? What's Oakland? And it'll talk about what's going on on their scenes and we'll broadcast from different places and have people come into there. I like that because like for me, when I came here to Texas, and you know, I was young then and I wanted to go out or try to figure out what's going on, where to go, where not to go and stuff like that. I ended up going on Facebook and following all the DJs because I'm like, they're going to push out all their flyers. You're going to know where's the hot spots and stuff like that. I'm like, that's, but not everybody does that. So people are like, okay, so where do I go to chill? Where do I go to this? Not everybody's going to know, but I like what you're doing. Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, it's a smart move. So how, I mean, you don't just get a TV program and say, I'm doing a TV. How did you, how did you get to that? Well, when we were doing Cloud Records, I did a buy out to where we had Cloud TV TV show. And then we had a- So you did Cloud TV TV show? Yeah, I've done it before. Like when we were doing all the parties, we did it, this one was on the ION Network. Okay, okay, I remember that. Because it was on TV and on cable. So we did like four episodes of that on there. How long is four episodes last a year? No, no, we were doing it weekly. 30 minute shows and I just got so busy and got our record deal and couldn't get up with it. So this is something that you're familiar with. This is familiar territory. Yeah, I mean, we've done that one. And then we had a reality show deal that they wanted us to create like drama from the clubs and stuff. And I was like, no, it's already drama in the club. Just do what's real. You know, I didn't want to make up stuff. So we did like a cold production deal on World Cloud TV. And then, man, we just lost a lot of money when the year that Super Bowl was here and then all star back to back. So my whole record business formula changed. So we just kind of got away from it and took an L on all of that. But I'm pretty familiar with like doing TV shows. We've done stuff like that. So are you gonna be hosting it or who's hosting it? He likes to be behind the scenes. No, no, we'll have different hosts coming from other areas. That's why I am, I know him. Brooklyn is a girl who's been done a lot of TV, a lot of radio stuff. There's another girl named Lauren who's in Atlanta who's been Jackson Mississippi TV reporter, did a lot of sports and stuff like that. Got named Mike Yu who is the ultimate family man but artist critique he called a rap grad. So he kind of grades real lyrics and sound and has a grading system that he does. And then we'll work with like Keter Rosa up-and-coming comedian that does a lot of stuff on Instagram and then just bringing other people in from other cities and we have some people as well. So let me ask you, with being in the business before in TV industry, what are you planning to do that's different now to make this better and more longevity and all of that? Yes, so the difference on this TV show is it'll be like a TV show magazine once a month. So we'll do 30 minutes once, we will drop it the first Friday every month. It'll air on TV the first Saturday of the month. So we'll do an event like a red carpet in the cities on a Friday and we'll drop it on a Saturday at noon on the CW network. So it'll be 30 minutes of the TV show on there and then you can download the whole hour from the website. So it's once a month. So it's like, who had the best sales of the month? What's coming up in the next month? You know, so it's- But that's cool cause you're giving them more on the website than they're getting on TV cause they're getting an hour on TV. I mean, on your website and only 30, and you know, 30 minutes on TV is not really 30 minutes cause you have commercials and all of that. I hate that. Yeah, so yeah. But doing it like that, it's, we'll have it. The first episode that goes, it'll be Dallas, Atlanta, Baton Rouge and Oakland, San Francisco market. And when is it coming out? May 8th. May 8th. That's right after- We gotta get to the studio. Right after Mother's Day. We gotta get to the studio. Y'all do something in there too as well. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all don't have people watching and stuff? We do. We have a podcast side of the set that we call that Famous Feedback. And so we'll have different people on- So I get to come through there and be on there? Yeah, for sure. Me and you. Okay. Ball's talking on a one. And then we'll also, we'll have like, the difference on our website is we're setting it up to where you can buy things and do paper view type stuff. Right. If you're an artist and you're independent or if you're a blogger or somebody like you guys who have your own stuff, we will post to our website and write it up description of what it is, but it'll run from your YouTube link. Yeah. So you get all the credit, but we just kinda- Y'all just promoting it kind of. Pushing them from your website. Point people to where- That's what's up. Yeah. But that's another thing, because you said when you said that you're gonna give them an hour, I was wondering, will that be free or will they have to pay for it to be able to see? No, no, it's free. It's free. It's coming on TV. And we knock on the network that we're working with is a conglomerate. They own CWs. They own a bunch of CBS stations. And what we're gonna do is like the first three issues, give it to them to rerun it, because it's good for a month. Right. So it might be ran on a whole bunch of other networks and cities, depending on how- And what you said the show is about again? It's basically if you, urban version of entertainment tonight, you know, just coming in and out, new movies coming out, new artists coming out, underground artists, underground trends, you know, comedy, some celebrity talk, but not a lot of like crazy negativity stuff or anything like that. So who came up with the idea of doing that? Oh, I did a while back. I've been working on this like two years and then everything else, you know, would just keep coming up and kind of pushing it backwards. But finally, you know, it just got to the point to where we like, as it went from, I was trying to get it on Netflix, but it was so much I couldn't put commercials in there. And then every, it was costing me as much to get stuff cleared with the lawyers when, because technically if you put a song in there, it looks like it's being sold through Netflix. Right, right, right. We were gonna just put it on Netflix for free as a distribution point, but then music was a headache and all that. And you don't have to do that with public access television. So we finally just were like, we'll just buy it and put it on. And if it does good, you know, sell commercials and do whatever we need to do. But that's where the money is at is the commercials. Yeah, mm-hmm. So when I asked you earlier, I was asking about the, just the transformation for streaming music versus the CD era, because George is still selling some CDs over there. He's still in here for real. He's still a few people out there still mess with those CDs. But just that whole transformation, how can a man, how can, you see a new artist, they come to us all the time, want somebody to sponsor them, manage them, look out for them, show them the way. How can you help us to get on? We wanna be famous. Right. What's the steps now? You know, it's really different. It's great for artists because, I mean, you get a quality recording and you do a video and then you get all the money from it. I think a lot of the activity that was there for like independent labels that really had a good push like George and my label and stuff like that, is not as much room anymore because it's digital and it's, you know. A lot of it's free. So much free music. A lot of it's free. You know, bootleg. Yeah, it was bootleg already, but now it's free. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, people can still do stuff in it and they're, you know, it spreads faster and you get a wider audience with that. So there's opportunities there. It just, to me, it was a little different and I didn't really wanna learn it like that. You didn't wanna do it that way. And I get it because it's harder for me to understand the algorithm of what's going on in a totality. Now, the old boy Prince was on here the other day and he gets it. Some people get it. Like they opening up lives and all kind of stuff and pushing their numbers up and can tell you we got over a million streams at this and that and this and we getting paid for it. And typically management companies are still winning. I've never been a successful manager. I've always been an independent record label that got a major distribution deal, but my stuff was always we'll get our own radio play, we'll produce our own records, we'll produce our own stuff. We'll decide what we put out. We run it, we'll do all of that. And so it's different when, you know, you're taking a management percentage, which is a lot smaller, which costs a lot less to get you to that level, but I'm not good at that. Yeah, yeah. You're like, I ain't messing with you. Well, he knows his strengths and weaknesses, which is awesome. Definitely. So I guess, because I've been looking, okay, should I do this? Should I even get in? I don't like entertaining because a lot of times people come to you to ask you for help and they don't have funding or they don't have anything to offer and you got to do all the, put up all the money and try to create all of the buzz for them. And then when you do, it seems to me, like I said the other day when HalfPaint put it on his platform, it seems to me that people can leverage off for you just by using you and your platform and your structure. And then if there's no ties, they walk away when the big deal come now, because the big deal still comes. But that's why you're supposed to, when anybody steps up to you, you already have a contract ready and waiting for people so that, you know. So it's still staying true. Yeah, so you get your credit for everything. And that makes sense, especially dealing with R&B, gospel, things like that. But the whole, one of the matters at the end of the day in the persona of the boss persona or the rap music is like, are you really gonna put your, continue to push somebody who's upset with the record deal that they have? Something's gonna happen. That's what, I don't like it. So it's kind of like, you know, I don't like it, so you know. I don't like it because it's gonna be a bad stigma. Now, going back to you, during those times when you were dealing with all the artists you was dealing with, and you hear a lot of people talk about those CEOs and the people like the Leo Korns, like I told you that before. And so not only Leo, but all of those different, Def Jam, Universal and all of them, the ones who hold the gatekeepers or whatnot. So, you know, during those times you met with different people, worked with different artists. And can you say that today you have a good rapport with all the people that you came in? I know some of them probably not, but. Actually. The majority of them? Actually, I saw one of the artists I worked with today. You know, some, I think all of them know in our stuff that we put like a major grind behind everything. So it wasn't like they looked like or they didn't push us. Even like Chief, me and Chief would have done stuff together for a long time except that Chief wants to drop something every three months. I was like, I'm gonna do it every six months. And then I got this artist in the next six months and Chief was like, I'm gonna be working in between. So, you know, as far as that's concerned, I always just, man, I like to talk about anything that could possibly happen. I'm like, man, why you think negative? I don't think negative, but if you can deal with what negative is gonna happen and you discuss it before you get started, what are your roles? What are your responsibilities? Everybody knows. What if this person leaves the group? What are you gonna do then? What are you, what percentage do you get if this person does this? All, I get into all of that. And, you know, before you start making money and usually, you know, you can work like that. We're just smart because then everybody knows cause a lot of people don't think of things if you don't mention it. They just think that, oh, everything's gonna be good. We can go in and sign and, you know, do or do and that's it. Until when something goes south, they're like, but you know what I mean? But if you educate them, they'll know exactly what it is. When I'm working with groups and people, I always do a thing and sometimes I do this with my friends and people always say, yeah, I'm gonna look at it. I'm gonna look at it. You know, if we're riding to the corner store, either one of us and we're in the car and you go in and you spend $10 and you win a million dollars, are you gonna look out for him? Just cause he rode with you. He didn't pay for it. It was your money. Right. You gonna look out for him though? Depends on my mood. Well, anyway, everybody always says, yeah, of course I'm gonna look out. But one person, when you pull them in other rooms, one says, yeah, I give them 10,000. Another one says, I split it in half. The other person says, you know, yeah, I'd give them a couple hundred. Everybody, it's like, wait a minute, but everybody's, you know, if you don't speak about what success and how you break stuff up or failure, how you break it down. From the get go, so you know. One of the biggest situations that I had with the entertainment attorney, Ward White was, of course when I signed my record deal, I just knew everything was gonna just, we were gonna take over the world with it. And if he wouldn't have negotiated in there, that they couldn't recoup anything or hold us liable for anything, I wouldn't even be able to use the clout name anymore. You know, because the way that they had it set up was, he said that they'd have to get their money off of the inventory that they printed. And then that's how they get it back, that they couldn't come after you personally, but nobody ever thinks like something isn't gonna work out or, you know, things like that, so. When you were talking about big chief earlier when you were giving the example that he wanted to put out music, every three months when you said, no, let's wait every six months, is there a benefit for waiting six months compared to having it three months? No, no, I don't think so as an artist. Mine was a situation as a label, so it was chief and then at that point in time we had Nino and Star, so everybody, you know, you have a thing, but as an artist and me and chief, chief wasn't ever like my artists. We had a partnership, a 50-50 deal to push the records and he was the CEO, I was the CEO, we came together. That's what bosses do. Yeah, you know what, man, that's funny. And I was listening and I was looking at the boss talk and I heard everybody knows that when I talk to people I'm always like, that's what's up boss, boss, boss, later. Yeah, yeah. And people are like, how do you do this? How do you do that? And at the end of the day I said, and I said, I gotta come back and tell you guys this. I said, if you either have a boss or you're a bum. Wow. And no matter how you look at that, it's true. That's true. You know what I'm saying? And you can look at any person in the world, everybody's got a boss. Everybody. You know, if you're the president you got everybody to vote if we use your boss. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, boss talk is something else. It's something we didn't even, we didn't think twice about it. I was like, it's boss talk 101, man. You, to be honest with you, this is what bosses said at the table and talk about things that can help benefit people like you. You've helped so many people in the city, man. Like I said earlier, I mean, I think that's something that you should be proud of. I know you don't pay no attention because you just fit, that's just who you are. No, I mean, I do. I do. You should be proud of that, because at the end of the day, a lot of people don't. A lot of people close doors. They don't create bridges, they create walls. They create walls and they feel like somebody, they feel like if you here and I'm here, then it's okay. But when we do this, it's a problem. So for you to open up like you do and try to help the city like you do, man, it's a commendable deal for me. And I just appreciate you, man. Ever since we, ever since Smoke sent me, you know, your information and say, you need to get with Corey, it's been, it's been gold mode, man. And I appreciate you, man. Boss talk love you. I appreciate you guys. I respected the co-sign from him, of course. Yeah. And then did my research and you guys do great stuff. So there's no brainer. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you just seen it. That kid out there started here, the one that was out the door and he's still coming back. Man, my and mom come through frequent every week through here. But the thing is, that's what we supposed to do. We suppose leaders, we help people, man. And with your background, what you've been through, you've been through some stuff that pretty much replenished you and made you who you are today. You know what I'm saying? You ain't just get here. Just, hey, you can't just sit on a boss talk. You done been through some bruises. You know what I mean? Even people can see your bruises. They be like, man, what happened to that guy? Right? See, I had a boss say, rack up, go back in. There it is. Count time. Count time. All of that. So like I said, everybody got a boss or you a bum. You know what I'm saying? It's either one. That's it. That's it. So tell us about your foundation. Okay, I'm backing up. Thank you, babe. Go ahead. So let me start. And I love, love talking to you guys cause you guys, I come in here and I don't have any, you know, nothing but nothing but joy, nothing but family. Yeah. My organization is, I wasn't a boss of my organization. I am a definite follower. Definitely. Of Bishop Omar, rest in peace. Bishop Omar, rest in peace, man. Bishop Omar. You know, his organization to stop violence and his resume of the past 25 years, waking up every day to impact urban neighborhoods and inspire kids to be whatever they wanna be but stop senseless violence. And then, you know, my friend that introduced me to Bishop who I've been friends with for 15 years now, Anton Bruce Wayne Lucky. Shout out Anton Bruce Wayne Lucky. And they've been, you know, with Bishop for 20 years. So, you know, like I say, marketing and, you know, entertainment stuff that I do with world cloud. Yeah, that's, you know, I'm the Superman of that but I'm the Robin to- To the charity. Bruce Wayne is gonna say he's Robin. I was like, you was never Robin. Yeah, I was two Batman's and I'm definitely Robin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When it comes to OGU and Urban Specialists. But, you know, like I say, when I met Bishop, I just met him, saw he was changed the world and we just never separated just every day. So now, you know, with the organization we want people to sign up, ogumovement.org and use their testimony. What does OGU stand for? It's a movement. So it goes from, we float back and forth to original gangsters united to OGU being original guide university to, you know, we've got three different iterations of it. That's okay. But yeah, it's, you know, it deals with, you know- It does what it does. But you don't have to be an OG to be in there. Now, we look for people who are mentors of different professions to inspire kids with their story to be able to say you can do more than football or sell drugs. Right, cause I saw it on Instagram and I was watching a couple of the videos or the interviews and stuff like that. And I thought it was pretty awesome that they get people who are mentoring, you know, young kids or just people because it's not always the young kids, people on a whole need mentorship. Absolutely, definitely. I love the topics. I love what they're giving and they're feeding. I'm hoping that a lot more people reach out to y'all on your website. What is the page again? It's ogumovement.org and the parent company is Urban Specialists and like I say, it's, you know, Bishop Omar, you know, totally put it on the map, taught us, he was our mentor, like Bruce for 20 years, he was, you know, mentored by Bishop Omar, me for 15 years mentored by both of them really. So, you know, it's really the importance of having a mentor, like no matter what it is, you know, just, and I'm passionate about it cause I grew up in Oak Cliff my whole life and I went to a good school in Oak Cliff which is Bishop Dunn. Now, it's not their fault that I didn't pay attention and all that kind of stuff, but if I can make a, you know, a decision around 21 to 23 to say, I shouldn't be working at this freight dock because I make more money selling drugs and if I hurry up and sell the drugs, I can make enough money to start a business. Then I go to federal prison for four years from 23 to 27 for selling marijuana and I meet people in prison that like, you ain't gotta have that much money to start a business. And I'm like, I learned more in prison than I did in the street. So I'm super passionate about getting the word out to kids. And people educated it. They don't have to go to prison to learn these things. There's somebody here who can mentor you on how to do it. It's something, man. You know, when you don't know when you go to places like that, you get there and you find a lot of things out that you really thought was one way. It's a lot of intelligent people when you go to get incarcerated. You know that? There is. A lot of people that can help you. I had a guy here, Fleetwood, was locked up for 16 years and all, you know, last week for last or last week, whenever it was. So many people coming through. Thank God for that. But he just talked about, you know, how he got his break. Like you met with Bishop and stuff and they showed you different things about, you know, how to help people. And he worked with Kamala Harris, which is the president now. Vice president of the United States. But it's some kind of way God works it out and link you with the right people that can help, you know, take you to the next level when it comes to helping people in a spiritual level. Right. You know, and I think that's important, man, that we recognize that, that those people that God placed in your life is very important to understand that it's not just, it's not just because you're meeting them, but there's something, a spiritual connection that God gives you at some time. Like I say with Bishop, I mean, I never went to church before I met Bishop. Yeah, yeah. Bishop, you know, Bruce came to me in a club with, you know, over a thousand people in the club and was like, hey, I need you to meet somebody. And I'm like, okay, I knew Bruce from the street. We didn't know each other like that. I used to see him at the clubs and I was like, I know he used to sell drugs and he looked like he still does. He looked like he still does. And I was like, no, I don't need to meet anybody. He's like, no, man, I need you to meet somebody. I was like, who? And he was like, it's a pastor. And I said, a pastor wants to meet me. And I said, well, I guess if he works with you, I'll talk to him. And he was like, man, I'm telling you, I don't sell drugs anymore. I keep kids out of gangs. Yeah. And when we talked on the phone the first time, and then later on down the line, we ended up, we had an event that some guys got into, got into it in the club. They didn't end up even fighting. They went outside of the club, went around the corner and you know, some guys got killed. They got a shootout. And I was really through with the club business at that time. I was doing like five club nights a week. Probably the lowest one had 800 people at it. All of them was over a thousand. And I was doing it five nights a week consistently for two or three years. And that was the first time anything like that ever happened. But I was about to quit being and doing the business. And then they came to me and they're like, hey man, you good, just come with us. And ever since then, we've been working to stop the violence, to do all that kind of stuff. And 15 years down the line, we're still on the same mission. So I love it because one thing I used to always say, especially whether kids or adults, because if you're out on the street dealing dope, selling weed, doing any of that, you have people who are under you, you counting money, you doing all of the things that I would say an entrepreneur would have to do anyway. Cause if the money's low or they gave you the wrong amount, you know, they know how to delegate, they know how to... They know how to make a business while people are trying to arrest them and kill them. Exactly, so why not turn that into a way where you don't have to be looking over your shoulder every second? And I could never understand why. I think we are really close, thank to Bishop Omar in all of the connections that he's made from the top business minds in the world all the way down to, like I say, from the White House to the Crack House, like literally, that we are gonna have within the next two months, a chance to really nationally be able to connect the young entrepreneur to the right coaching and the right funding. And I really believe that's gonna happen, so super passionate about it. You just gotta get a word out to everybody because this could help so many people. Definitely, I think you, like I said, the most important thing is to stay on the mission that you was on that Bishop had you on because you know already, it was God driven and you just keep going and influencing those people. Now they're gonna make me pull these down, man. I'm gonna pull these down and call Tom out and show him. No, I just wanna, I definitely wanna, I wanna make sure we keep that mission going. That's very important, you know. Just, you know, the thing I can say about, like I said, the way you brought, like Touching Skin been on here, they've been on here, did a great job, man. Just talk to them earlier today, they just, they team boss talk one-on-one now, man, because of you and because of smoke. I told Smoke that to the other day, I said, man, you know what you done did in Dallas for me? I said, you got, you made me a lot of friends. I'll never forget the people who, you know, helped me to touch other people, like it's all, it was him, you know, and he's like, man, you gotta get with Corey, you, Corey, he was calling me about some kids or something and you were, you know, I was like, yeah, just whatever, man, but I didn't see this coming. I didn't know where he was coming from with it. But I do now, man, God is the one in total control. Shout out to Smoke, he lost his mother here recently, too. Oh, man. Yeah. And I'm coming for Smoke, too. Smoke can turn me over to you, but I'm not gonna take a day off until I get him in OGU, so Smoke, it ain't over. I appreciate the blood. We still need you in there. Yeah, yeah, we can get him in there, man. We was talking about coming up, he's gonna be doing a show him and Mike and Big Mike, Monty Mike and Pooka Leroy. I wanted all three of them, because that's how I look at them. That was my co-management one trial, and thanks to PG, he was a super manager and I was a ride-along, but after that, I said, look. Which one? Got a manager. Mike? Yeah, Monty Mike. No, Monty Mike, when he was doing the CEO, I rode along and PG was manager. We kind of co-managed on some of the stuff towards the end of the project, but they was already doing a great job. That's when I said, no more management for me. I said, if you got a record label, I can work with them. If you got a manager, I can work with them, so I'm an agency for me. Yeah, you got nothing wrong with it, man. Like I said, there's room, man. There's room and your gift will make room for you as well. So there's room and that's what people don't understand about the whole, when you look at the whole big picture, that there's room for everybody, you know what I mean? There's so much opportunity out here, and it's bigger than what we create a bubble around our opportunity. You said something earlier about touching different parts of the world, or from the crack house to the White House. It gets big. Things grow. We can make it big as we want to, as small as we want to. But you only got one reputation. If you keep that right, there has no choice, but it's gonna grow slow or it's gonna grow fast, but it's gonna grow. Definitely. So it's almost like you're saying that with every seed, there has to be a harvest. It's the same exact thing you're saying. You know what I mean? But you have to know your place. You have to know your strength and your weakness because when you're younger, you're trying everything to figure out what am I good at, what am I good at? Or some people out here are still feeling that they're good at something, but they're really not because they can't accept the fact that this is where they're supposed to be. So they're still trying to be over here, but that's why I keep commending you on the fact that you know your place. No club owner, no rapper, no DJ, no rhythm. Everybody's safe. That's why any artist that I work with, you should not get offended if I tell you something don't sound good because it sounds a thousand times better than I would even ever try to do. So we'll usually get along with that part. That makes a good question. Like how did you know you had a hot artist? Asking, listening, you know, the force. CNP responds like... CNP responds, that's a good one. Yeah, no, no, I would take headphones or go when we were doing CDs and go write the cards and put it in and give me the honest truth. Forget what I think about it. Tell me exactly what you would do. Would you play this song if I was not here? And if they say no, we got to go back to the studio. I don't know if I asked you this last time, was there any artist that you passed on that blew up after you had passed on them? Yeah, a lot, like, because I never, like it's artists that I like that I knew I wasn't the right person for them at that time too. You know, and I still try to, like one thing I never understood was how people would hoard connections or something. If you have somebody who, now I don't want somebody calling me asking me for free stuff every day obviously, but if, you know, Yellow Beazee is going to Pittsburgh and I know some people down there that have a, you know, a popular, you know, about an underground radio show or a blog or, you know, he can make a lot of money by going somewhere and I'm not even gonna be there. And I got, even when I had, when me and George would do stuff, like we're not dropping at the same day, same time, same, you know, so connect and work, you know, and we worked a lot of stuff like that too. So, you know, yeah, it's been a lot of talent people that I knew was talented and I just, like I said, even on the deal with Chief, I would have loved to have put every one of Chief's records out and then every one of Nino and Starr's records and then every, you know, one apiece and all that, but you're only one person. It takes a budget and a market. I mean, you can't market everything. The majors can't even do it like that. No, you can't. You gotta take your time and do it the way you can give everybody they just do during the time you can work with them. So I get it, but then Chief, like I said, when I went to Big T or one of those places where I could get a CD at, hey man, he greeted volume, something was coming. And you're saying there ain't nothing you could do about that and cap of the bomb, he definitely had that. You know what I mean? He pushed it like crazy. When you go in, that's the first thing you hear is he greeted volume such and such. It's new. You gotta get that one, man. That's popping right now. Right. Yeah, yeah, I like it. You know, and that's what he was used to being from the streets. That's probably why like us, when you're from the streets, you know a certain way of doing things like me. I run business that way. I still, it's real people like how you make money or how you do this? Cause you can't really tell and calculate my moves because that's the way I've always been. You know, I'll tell you something else too. I quit a long time ago. I will not work with somebody who just wants to be an artist. That's right. They can be super hot. If you don't wanna value the building of a, either a record company, a management company or building your own portfolio for your own label, I don't wanna work with you because you're only gonna be happy when we're dropping your record and you're really at your hottest point. The rest of the time you're gonna be depressed because you don't know why you're not hot. When even like, when a major artist drops their record, that's when they're the hottest. Then they intentionally take off, you know, and stay out of the way for six months. So when they drop it again, they're, you know, on everybody's mixtape, on everybody's blog because they need to have sales. So if you don't know that that's, you know, what's going on and you don't wanna know that part of it, then I don't really wanna work with you, you know, take any money from you because I end up, you know, refunding your money. They should look at higher people in the industry right now. Like example, Rihanna. Rihanna been doing music a long time, but then she switched off and haven't done music in such a long time and she's doing her apparel. And that has been making her a lot of money, but it shows that you should never just stick in one lane. Beyoncé did Daryon at one time and now she's doing, what's her daughter's name again? Blue Ivy, Ivy apparel. So seeing all of these moguls in the industry and they're not just sticking to just music, that should show the younger generation that, you know, or tell them, okay, I can't go into this business just thinking I'm going to be just a rapper. I need to be learning how to mix, I need to learn how to do the beats, I need to learn how to do everything. Yeah, how, your own franchise, whether you like it or not. What's the biggest bag somebody ever come to you with a bag and say, look, man, I want to put this money toward my brand and I don't know how to do it, but I want to put this, I just, and it didn't even have to be legal money, it could have been that came into a settlement. You know what I'm saying? Oh my, do you see where I'm coming from? No, my prices are always the same. It's always what you're going to pay me and then what do you have that you want to work with your company? And then that's how I work. I go and say, I might say, man, wait a couple of months before you pay me because you need to do this, this and this, and then I'll be there, but it's really, and to me, it always, it's all individual, like people will call me all the time and say, hey man, how do I work this? Please don't do that. That's like calling your doctor, he ain't looked at nothing wrong with you. Hey man, come rip my lung out real quick, man. You know what I'm saying? You ain't got, no, you haven't looked at it because depending on what kind of single you have, what kind of artist you have and what your goals are as an artist slash label is totally different on budget. And it's totally different on expectation wise and then I can give you the perfect thing. You can give me the perfect thing and guess what, it still might not work and people don't like to hear that. But you'd never be unsuccessful if it wasn't like that. Let me ask you this, top three artists of all times. Dead or Alive. No, Dead or Alive. And John. Top three, don't try to get out of these. Tupac. Oh, Tupac number one. Biggie. Biggie. Scarface. Scarface. Man, that's a heavy man. I just had a guy on there who had a song with Scarface. He said it was the last song he'd do. Because he said he'd retire. Yeah, Asthole and Gold. That's the name of the artist. You're probably like, what kind of name is that? But that boy, Good. You're gonna hear him. You're gonna see him. Eric Abadou chose him. He was just on the show and he did a song called... That was his top three too? No, no. He had a song with Scarface burning for me and he'd say that's the last song that Scarface is doing. But that top three is pretty much, that's a lot of people's top three, what you just said. They got all together. They have the big YouTube part. No, no, no. That's a lot of people. I'm talking about if I had to bet on something better than Texas, that's a lot of people top three. That's just me saying that. But I know what you're saying now. On here. But you understand where I'm coming from? That's a heavy top three. That's the one right there, boy. That's my man, Rushmore, right there. Yeah, man. Because Park got us through the 90s. Oh, man, Park was coming with it. And you never heard music like that when he came out with his music. And it wasn't nobody standing next to him either. You forgot about all the other music when he came out with that. Ride Dirty? That's true. That whole album. Yeah. That too. Now, UGK is right up there too. Oh, man. I would have said UGK, of course. That's my ultimate pick every time. He's a big UGK. I don't have to even guess about it. It'd be unfair for me to give you a top three. Because it would be ridiculous. And it's probably people that I listen to even more than that. But just when I look at total artistry, I just, I can't, you know. Yeah, I put Pimp up there because of him producing and dealing with the hooks, but also producing and writing. And none of them done that. None of them done that. Their voices off of each other were just so amazing. Yeah, him and Bunby. But I'm talking about making the beats, doing the hook, and then writing the music. And everybody do that. Face did good, he didn't write the music. Yeah, that's true. Park did good. I mean, he wrote the music. He didn't make the beat. Yeah. Yeah, that producer stuff is another one. You know what I'm just saying? That's true. Pimp's he made the beat. That's why I keep telling you, but people don't be thinking about it like that. He made hooks, he said he sounded weak, you know, it sounded like a light voice and he didn't thought that he didn't like it. You know, shout out from Dallas. I think he's probably still in Dallas right now, back in 4th Steve Velo. I met Pimp when he first got out of jail. I pulled up when we had our studio right over there off of Oreo in Duncanville. And I just pulled up to the studio and Pimp was walking out of the studio with Steve Velo. And I was like, I didn't even know he was out of jail yet. Man, I may need to get Steve Velo on the show. Where he at? Definitely. I'll put in some calls. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Find that dude for me, cause anybody met Pimp can come on here. Oh yeah. I wanna hear the story. He made a lot of beats and stuff too. So Steve Velo's nasty too. I'm wishing I could get with some of those. That's who I like. I like to see people who didn't get the spotlight too. The ones who were behind the scene. That's why I got prophecy and a couple of more people. I got a, that's coming this week that did, I don't know if you remember that busted by Erica Banks that came out. I got the producers coming on this week. So, you know, that's what I'm looking at. I got coming in town in about seven or eight days, KLC, they all, you know, beats about a pound. Yeah, yeah. See if he wanna come through. Fuck the mother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If he wanna come through, I'm here. Sorry. Yeah. But yeah, I'm here though. You know what I'm saying? I love to rock out with him. You know, cause that's what I like to get into. I like to get into the ones unsung heroes a lot of time. You know, like people hadn't had these opportunities like we have today. And we wanna leave a legacy for our children, our children's children to see what's going on on these platforms. Cause what you're talking into is therapeutic to their ears and it's not going anywhere. We got a way of retaining our digital platforms now and I think people need to pay attention to that. Absolutely. Are you a goal oriented person? Like you set your goals and you're like, okay, that's what I'm gonna achieve. Yeah. It's hard for me. Almost too much. And then I really disrespect. I don't, I don't, I move past it too much without celebrating it. And, you know, I shouldn't be like that. You have to celebrate it. I'm trying to get better. I thank God for it. But then I don't really, you know, enjoy it enough as much. I usually get that and now, okay, now what's next? Right. And I always try to, you know, not be just like that. Right. And I like to enjoy it more. Yeah. Cause then when you make yourself better, cause you know what your faults are, you're able to help the younger ones who are watching you and help them teach them how to really celebrate. Right, right, right. But the reason why I ask you that question is, what, where do you see yourself in five years or 10 years? Have you set those goals yet? Yeah, I mean, I really, I love what I do with my agency, whether it be with recording artists or businesses or whatever, just helping people make a national impression of their brand. Even if they're local and create a product that can go national, you know, that and then OGU really, really making it very stupid to think about killing people over dumb stuff. Right, right. Like that really, I think that we're gonna be able to make an impact in the culture to make that be so unheard of that when something happens, it's just like people are like, I can't believe that just happened. Not like, oh, it just happened again today. I really, you know. I think that organization will be able to help a lot of kids stop a lot of foolishness because just by educating them that there's another way than, you know, the way they're going right now. And I think even on that, that's one of my biggest passions to get out there and get back into the industry as well because I know and what we're doing now, we can only mentor so many people at once but the platform that we have, but I know if you can put things out in the media that highlight great things or, you know, work with people who haven't influenced and get the messages going through them that you can really change stuff. So that's another reason I'm real passionate about famous and, you know. So with these organizations, are you more of the hands-on person or are you just the back scene trying to get everything on? Same hands-on to me. Yeah. I used to love actually mentoring and going into the schools and then they pulled us out and they said, teach people to do what you do. And that was hard at first because you don't get the, you know, to see the turnaround indication much, but then whenever there was a shooting in Pleasant Grove, we saw all the people that went through OGU like go 40 deep to an area. And I was like, okay, you know, I get it now. So ever since then, I've been fired up and saw how it works, you know, and then see this stuff happen in other cities and, you know, to be able to, you know, see things happen in Baton Rouge and Atlanta and all of that stuff that just amazes me. Cause what you're saying, sorry, babe. Go ahead. Cause what you're saying is something in a way which what I've always been trying to teach myself is plant the seed and leave it alone because I'm the type of person that when you care about people and you want to see them do good, you want to see them change your life, you're like, okay, this is what you need to do and you need to do it right now. You know, I love you. I'm do it right now. But when they don't do it, it hurts me. And I usually get frustrated and cause you don't see that outcome. You want them to do well, but they hear you. What I've realized, they hear you, but sometimes they have to go through a lot of other issues, what they have to deal with first before they act out on what you're telling them to do. And I've seen that back in like what you're talking about where years later on, they'll come back to me and said, don't think I didn't hear you. I heard you, but I now learned my lesson and this is how I am now. Absolutely. You see what I mean? Let me just ask you a question. Like say what, like with the mode three, that thing that happened on 35 out there, them 55 during the day. Did you, I mean, cause you guys got out reprogrammed. Did that anyway, did anybody step up and say, you know what, we could do this or we could do something to make things better in that situation? Or did you guys just back off and say that or have nothing to do with us? Through the whole thing, we worked throughout that in both sides and all areas. Yeah. Like literally. Yeah, cause there was a healing process. People died after that too. The murder rate or just the shootings went up actually. Not even on that like previous to that. It was already looking at Bishop Omar and then when we did one Dallas, like people always like, you know, they look down on talking about something, but you don't, I can't come over there and peace you. You know what I'm saying? This means we talk, we know each other and then peace happens. So, you know, like Bruce and Bishop are like, they're two of the best people that can decode a bomb in a situation. And there are certain aspects that you have to go through in doing that. It has to be, you can un-program it on both sides or else one person will be encoded and it'll get blown up on the other side. So was it something you guys, you was tuned into? No, no, no. We was tuned into it and, you know, like I say, it's horrible, man. It's horrible. And I hate, you know, even just, even on somebody like Bishop, death is never gonna be like when people are here. You know, everybody says, you know, I'm willing to die for whatever, but it's just so frustrating. I was even watching the Biggie documentary last night to see people, music is great. I love music, but at the end of the day, music don't love you back and it's not gonna take care of your mom, take care of your kids every day, the way that you would if you're there. I just hate the ultimate for any kind of fame. I hate that it, you know, my company's called Clout. I hate that people chase Clout and make it like, when you say Clout, now it's like, oh, but that's not Clout. That's chasing Clout is wrong. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just think that it's too much on music and it's really to have death involved in it. Yeah, yeah. It makes me sick in my stomach. But it's power in words, man. It's very much power in words. And I get where you're going with that because it does, it turns your stomach the wrong way to see people dying over certain things. And it's, you know, the love of money is the root of all evil. There's always good versus evil. These are things that was happening when my dad, my dad was shot in the head and my uncle was shot in the back of the head in the same gambling shack. You see what I'm saying? So this ain't nothing new for me. Seeing people go through this, it's just changing directions on how it's happening but it's still happening. Let me ask you this though, right? And these are some things that we're thinking on doing. Let's say you remember when the word player hater came out? Yeah, yeah. And that was really the first time it's identified to where people was like, man, it's not cool to just hate on somebody before. It just, until that word came out, it wasn't like that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just knew that somebody was envious or jealous of somebody else. Now, let's say you take all the ladies and they all of a sudden, they say anybody who killed somebody, I ain't messing with them. I ain't, you know, they ain't getting, you know, I don't mess with people. What would that do? That would change a lot of people's perspective on player hating or hating on the other guy. Or if you shoot somebody or kill somebody and all the ladies shut us down, we're gonna do a lot less killing. That's right, that's right. No, no, you're right. I get it 100%. You know, things that become unacceptable, however they get there, whether the ladies bring it or whether the guys get it together, it can be dented. But it has to be something that's been taught from at home because I would always talk to my daughter about certain things not to accept from a young man, how he carries himself, you know, how he acts, especially to women and stuff like that. So it's something you have to teach your girls of what to accept from what not to accept because her friends might accept a lot of different things when you teach her. Communication is key. Right. So that's the thing is a lot of things are accepted for today's society, which is wrong for us being older but a younger crowd be like, what you talking about? I think it was happening back in the days it was just hidden in a different way. I really do. I got full confidence that Megan, Cardi and Beyoncé if they said, it would help. It'll put about a 70% dent in it because it'll, you know, that influence the role of the boys, you know what I'm saying? Masses, I get it, I get it, I agree 100%. So, Cork, what we wanted to do, we wanted to present you with a plaque. We got you a plaque just to show our appreciation to you for all the years of work that you put in, dedication, you know what I mean? We wanted to do something to show our appreciation to you for what you brought about in the city. I appreciate you guys. And she's gonna present it right here but we're gonna, I guess we're gonna take pictures over here. Yeah, you can hold it up to your camera right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, boss talk 101. We still, we recognizing giving roses out while you guys are here. Amen. And go ahead and read it so we can hear what it says. It says presented to Mr. Corey Cloud Clayhorn and recognitions for all your work, dedication, success with marketing and development of music industry and beyond 2021. Hey man, that is what it deals. Hey. You know what I'm saying? This is going in a prominent spot in my office. When you guys come by the office, you gonna see it. So, I love it. Oh man, thank you so much man. We're gonna get ready to take pictures man. Hey boss talk 101 man. And we out. Okay, Mr. Corey Cloud Clayhorn. We here at Boss Talk 101 would love to present you with this award just to say how proud we are of all the work you've done over the years dealing with the artists, making connections, marketing. Like crazy. Not only yourself but marketing people and really, really, really caring about artists and people development, really what you do. That's it. And we love you and we thank you for all your hard work. You guys are my family. Hey man, we're just giving out roses why we care and why we're here. You know what I mean man? This is what it's all about. I'm their old son. That's it. There you go.