 Microsoft figures out a way to make the Surface Pro Studio or the Surface Studio makes that a viable alternative because if that thing got some actual speed to it and lost all the horrible lag in latency with the pen, that thing would be totally on my radar and it's less expensive than the high-end Waycom all by itself. So yeah, horrible lag, sounds like something. It's bad right now, but they need to be addressed. And if they ever fix that, all bets are off. That could be a really sweet deal. All right, y'all ready to talk some Samsung? Ms. Lane, if you would read line three today, please. I would Lee, it's Lee Grimes, I'm going to guess related to Grimes. Very, very cool name. I like it. There we go. Three, two. Lee Grimes has supported independent tech news directly for five years. Be like Lee, become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, February 20th, 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Fila and I'm Sarah Lane. From Salt Lake City, I'm Scott Johnson. And I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. Oh, we got Samsung news to talk about. Samsung Unboxed announced a foldable phone, some new S10s, some wearables and earbuds. Our resident Android user, Roger Chang, is going to weigh in on just how expensive things all are. But let's start with a few tech things you should know. Not to be outdone, Joe me announced its flagship Mi 9 phone with minimal bezel and a smart notch, a small notch, rather, for the front facing phone and a triple lens array on the rear. The rear camera includes a super moon mode for night sky images and at 960 frames per second, video capture and advanced motion tracking. Now, the models are available for pre-order in China between around two hundred ninety nine one or U.S. No, no, two thousand ninety nine R.M.B. Oh, Chinese currency. Right. Four hundred forty five dollars or five hundred ninety five dollars shipping by March 1 or earlier. Hmm. Those sound nice. Well, look at this. The EU council has agreed to the EU copyright directive, which includes provisions designed to make websites liable for uploads in certain instances and limits what's on snippets websites, may display what they may display from news organizations without seeking a license. Finland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Poland are the only countries to object to the directive. The directive now goes to committee and then on to EU Parliament, which will have a vote in March or early April. And Vivo said I won't be outdone by Samsung or Xiaomi and announced the V 15 Pro, the second phone from Vivo with a pop up selfie camera, although this time it's got a thirty two megapixel sensor and won't always be taken thirty two megapixel photos. But when you need it, that that amount of megapixels will be there. The rear camera has a forty eight megapixel sensor. Same sort of copy out of flies. V 15 Pro also has a six point four inch OLED display, thirty seven hundred milliamp hour battery and an in-screen fingerprint sensor, just like the Samsung S 10 V 15 Pro with its pop up selfie camera will launch soon in India for twenty eight thousand nine hundred ninety rupees, which is about four hundred bucks US. All right, we've got a few more things to talk about before we get to the Samsung announcements, starting with our good old friend at Bloomberg telling us what's up at Apple. Well, now that I've snapped my pop up selfie camera off, let's talk about Bloomberg Mark Gurman's reports that he says sources say at Apple or excuse me, sources say Apple's project Mars upon aims to let developers build an app once and then run it on iPhone, iPad and Mac. And this sounds familiar to the early surface stuff. Anyway, starting later this year, a new developers kit will let people port iPad apps to the Mac by twenty twenty. iPhone will be added to the kit and by twenty twenty one, the kit can merge three ports into one binary, so they won't need to be submitted for each store separately. Apple will likely announce details at its developers conference, which takes place in June 3rd or from June 3rd to June 7th. And I would say this, that if they want this to be good and reap the benefits of one code base, three platforms, simple submission and approval, they better have lots of ways in that developers kit and in those tools to not make it look like people are just running crappy tablet and phone apps on their computer and vice versa. That's the point. That's the point. Scott, before the show started, we were talking about the idea of doing what you do based on iPad, pros and perhaps desktops. So would this be something that would change your your your workflow in a good way? Well, so it worked well. Yes, that's the trick. So there is a, we just talked about it in fact, nobody heard this, but I guess good day in that people heard it. But I really like the drawing app, the painting app, illustration app called Procreate on iOS. It's fantastic as a pocket version on the phone. But the one, the big hot one is the iPad pros version. And it's really, really great. Combine that with the device and the pencil and you get a really masterful art tool if they figured out a way to make that work on a Mac as a desktop version of Procreate. And now we've got interoperability between desktop and tablet. That would be incredible. I'd lose my mind if you could have and for that matter, all the people that have got Waycom's designers that have already got hardware there for them to get Procreate as a desktop app without Procreate having to have a whole new team doing desktop ports, that would be amazing. Yeah. I mean, that's what Apple wants to do. Although German says that the sources say Apple doesn't want to merge the operating systems, they still want Mac OS and iOS to be separate operating systems. They just want to make it easy like the surface stuff for developers to be able to say, I've got one binary. I submit it, it goes into the Mac store, it goes into the iOS store. It looks right on the iPad. It looks right on the iPhone. Obviously, there's some design elements that you have to adjust in order for that to pay off, but it would mean an easier compilation of the code because it just be one binary. So that would be interesting. I'm curious to hear what they announce on June 3rd. Google announced earlier in February that the Nest Guard, the hub of the Nest Secure system, would get an update adding support for Google assistance. Bit of a surprise since the Nest Guard, which came out in September of 2017, apparently came with a microphone built in that nobody knew about and wasn't listed by Google in any of Google's specs. Although Google says that was a mistake, not to list it. And the mic was never activated. And don't worry, users would have to turn it on themselves in settings. OK, the mic was originally included in anticipation of future updates that would allow things like detecting the sound of broken glass, among others. Yeah, so it's a security system, right? They want to know if a window got broke to be able to alert it, but they didn't put it on the box because they didn't activate that yet. And it was an oversight. Google's like, oh, I guess we should have put that in there, although it was not functional. And here's the thing. There's precedent for this. Almost every phone sold throughout the 2000s had a radio tuner built in that in many cases could have been activated by software, but phones didn't put it on the box saying, hey, it has an FM tuner because they weren't going to activate it. They're like, we're not going to use it. We don't want it to be drained in battery. So we're not going to tout it as a feature. So there's a line to walk here of like, well, if you put it in the specs, are you then advertising its use? Are people going to say, well, it's got a mic. Why can't I talk to it? So Google did what phone makers did with the FM tuner and said, we're leaving it off the box. But in this world of privacy where a microphone isn't just seen as a piece of hardware that provides a feature, but a potential spy device. Now people are like, but you should have told me there was a microphone in there, even though Google swears up and down. Yeah, but it was never doing anything. It was just a dead piece of hardware until now. Yeah, I heard about this and, you know, all you everybody wants to jump to conclusions and say, ah, they knew it was in there. They're spying on us. I very quickly got past that meta layer and got to, well, when they say it was a mistake, do they mean it was a mistake to put it in and not tell anybody and now in retrospect, they're feeling like it's a mistake to have not told us or are they saying it was a mistake not to have it in the documentation in the beginning? It was a mistake not to not to note it in the documentation. It's a no in this area, though. Yeah, put it in the documentation, then people get mad, like, why can't I use it? Or they put it in the in the specs, but not on the box label. And then people can accuse them of trying to hide it because it's in the specs, but they didn't then note it on the box or they don't include it. And then people are like, why can't I use for Google Assistant with with my Nest Secure? Well, it's because it didn't have my why didn't you put a mic? Like you cannot win the situation if you're Google. I really don't think you can. Yeah. All right. Somebody that is winning that we didn't expect to be winning at this point is Garmin. This is like telling me that the creative nomad is like on the uptick. I was one of those people who thought and Garmin's probably not going to make it for very much longer because they make standalone GPS devices. And who needs those when you've got it on your phone? Well, Garmin, maker of navigation devices and smartwatches reported a strong Q4 and forecast full year revenue and profit above expectations. Now, I'm not totally wrong. Carnav fell 28 percent, but Garmin hasn't just been sitting around waiting for the cratering of their main market, they've been creating new markets. Marine navigation is something they've moved into strongly and are selling very well. Sales of Garmin's ADSB based products for broadcasting a planes position have been rising because US regulations go into effect in 2020 requiring all planes to have these kinds of devices. So Garmin's selling a lot of those to people with planes. Garmin sales of smartwatches to outdoor enthusiasts also rose 25 percent as the kind of wearable smartwatch market starts to slowly rise in general and Garmin's got the outdoor camper and trucker market locked up because they're in every REI everywhere and they've got all the outdoor enthusiast type of features that people want. So, hey, look at that. Some good news about a company. Well, and also, you know, good on Garmin, you know, getting to the marine the marine space, the the the the aviation space. We can in in back in the day, you would have said, OK, they, you know, Garmin is like GPS, whatever, there are lots of them. So as the market becomes more saturated, clearly Garmin has figured out where there are other avenues to get into to make it more advantageous for them. What remains to be seen is will other companies do this and take their market space from there? Yeah, I mean, the thing about Garmin is they were always in that category. I used to put blackberries in. They were like an early 2000s, early established, cool, new tech, and they really grabbed it and they owned that market. And when you thought of GPS, you thought of Garmin. And just like when you thought of phones, you thought of Blackberry for a while. And then everything got pulled out from underneath them. I really did think that Garmin, Tom, wasn't long for this world, but it's nice to see that we were wrong. Yeah, that's great. Tom Tom, on the other hand, has it diversified as much and is having a little more of a problem. They're not. They're still around, but they're just having a little more of a problem. Hey, folks, if you want to listen to 90 minutes of us talking, not just the 30 minutes of Daily Tech News Show and you want to listen live and discord, you can do both of those things or one or the other by becoming a patron at patreon.com slash D T N S. All right, let's get into the fold, the Samsung Galaxy Fold. Oh, he did there. So it looks good. It is a 4.6 inch display. So it's a lot of bezel. If you're one of those bezel haters, you're not going to like this. 4.6 inch display on the front, but then you unfold it and you get a 7.3 inch infinity flex display. Honestly, this may be the thing I'm most excited about because I like the 7 inch tablet form factor and having that and the ability to fold it up into a phone format. That's kind of interesting. Comes in black, silver, green or blue. You can personalize the hinge color with those colors if you want. The hinge mostly disappears. The you could tell there might be like a slight discoloration where the gap is when it's in tablet mode, but it mostly just looks like it's gone. Sound by AKG because Samsung owns Harman. So they're going to say that about everything. There is a notch in the upper right corner during tablet mode that they kind of be if you're a notch hater, you're not going to like that can do three multitasking and tiled mode. So you can do three things at once. You can switch between the screens very impressively. So if you're like, say on Google Maps on the phone format and you unfold, it just unfolds pretty snappily, at least according to their demo, right into Google Maps on the 7 inch screen. Seven nanometer processor, 12 gigabytes of RAM, 512 gigabytes of storage support for EUFS 3.0. That'll give you faster read and write of your flash. Two batteries, one on each side. If you're wondering how the battery works, it they've figured out how to make the battery work together. So they have two of them in there on each side as it folds and unfolds. Three camera sensors on the back, two on the inside, one on the front, a thumb sensor on the side for unlocking coming out April 26th in LTE and 5G models. The LTE model is a thousand nine hundred eighty dollars because this is a luxury model. Oh, I will say, Scott, I mean, is this a price that you could even like get get on board with the rest of it being so cool? It's pretty cool. I think it looks like a dopey phone before you unfold it. And then when you unfold it, you're like, oh, this is fancy. And also to their credit, they've eliminated a lot of the thickness. I saw in that stage presentation where they showed the prototype where I should say shadowy showed the prototype where they kept it all dark and you couldn't really see what a freaking sandwich that thing was. But this is way this looks way more refined than that. That makes me very happy to see that this is such a product I would wait. I mean, I want to hear people's impressions, but this is so the kind of thing I would wait for a second generation for. Oh, my gosh, me too. Amber just took a total dive because you're, you know, these things are going to get improved, not only that like normal, but the issues they may have with the crease in the middle or how much use may create a worse crease. Am I going to get a yellow stain down the middle of that screen eventually? Like I got lots of fears, but this does feel like a really rad step into the future I wouldn't mind inhabiting. So I'll be honest, that's a lot of money. I might try to justify it as a business expense to test it. And I don't know, live with it or something, because I really do want to try this out. I would assume that most people shouldn't buy this, that it is too early to buy this. But I have to say, I think they're onto something. I think they have created a form factor that is somewhat compelling. So, you know, it's also a nice stake in the ground because this always happens. Somebody will do something. And then the other side will say, hey, we came up with that first, whether you're an Apple fan or you're an Android fan. And this is actually like a hardcore stake in the ground that says we're Samsung and we made the first foldable, workable phone that turns into a tablet. So if anybody, Apple in particular, goes down the road somewhere and says, and we've got this brand new form factor, it's beautiful. And Johnny Ive comes out and sings the songs. You can still go, dude, Samsung totally beat you to the to the line on that one. Like it's just just from the mobile iOS or the mobile OS wars standpoint. This is a great notch in the on the Samsung side, I think. Yeah, that was one of their one of their messages in the announcement today was, you know, a lot of people say you can't innovate in the phone space. Well, we disagree. Look, we can fold up a phone. Check it out. They also didn't really care about limiting screen time. Google and Apple spend a lot of time talking about limiting screen time in their recent announcements. Samsung didn't spend a moment on that. They're like, man, that's, you know, I guess that's something you can get out of Android if you want. That's not that's not our business. We want you to to buy our phones. And they did announce the Galaxy S 10. The S 10 has a six point one inch infinity display with an AMOLED screen, 16 million colors at 100 percent color volume supports HDR 10 plus very color accurate. The S 10 plus has a six point four inch display. Yeah, you know, you've got eight gigabytes of RAM. You can go up to 12 in the plus. You got an option for a terabyte in the plus. Otherwise, it's five hundred twelve gigabytes, thirty four hundred milliamp hour battery in the S 10, a forty one hundred milliamp hour battery in the plus. The S 10 starts at eight hundred ninety nine dollars pre-order tomorrow, February 21st, shipping March 8th, the S 10 plus. Same pre-order and shipping dates, February 21st and March 8th, starting at a thousand dollars. And both of these can charge other devices wirelessly. If you if you want to charge your Samsung earbuds, for instance, which we'll talk in a minute, you could just plop them on top. You have to turn it on in settings, but you can charge stuff. And both of them are Fido Alliance biometric component certification program certified. The first phone to feature certification from Fido. So that that's pretty cool. They also have Wi-Fi six, Max LTE, the theoretical two gigabit per second LTE. The Bixby button did not go away. And what's going to make a lot of you very happy is there are headphone jacks on all of these. Couple others before we get your impressions on this, there's a 5G version of S 10 coming first to Verizon and then eventually to Sprint as well as Vodafone and and Deutsche Telecom. That one will have a 4500 milliamp hour battery and 6.7 inch display. There's also the S 10 E, which loses the in-screen fingerprint sensor. Oh, did I mention the S 10 has an in-screen acoustic fingerprint sensor. So even with a wet finger, it'll unlock the S 10 E doesn't have that. Two rear cameras instead of three. That's another cool thing the S 10 has is the three rear cameras. But pretty much everything else that the S 10 has. And it starts at $750 with a full HD plus 5.8 inch display. Also pre-ordering February 21st, shipping March 8th. So really kind of the cool thing here with the S 10 is nice specs. As always, Samsung always maxes out the specs on its flagship price. Right in the middle, wireless. Yeah, wireless charging of other devices in-screen fingerprint reader with acoustic and like you say, the price between Google and Apple. Yeah. I mean, how do we feel about in general, the technology that lets me charge other devices? Like, I feel like that may be my favorite thing I heard today. This isn't like a new thing. I know that's been talked about and other products probably do this. And I just don't know it, but I love this idea of, oh, my watch is almost dead. I think it's a demo thing. I think in practice, you're going to be like, oh, my phone ran out of battery. I need to charge my phone. I don't want to use my phone to charge something else. Yeah. The Samsung Galaxy Buds. I don't know. The Galaxy Buds have. You travel, though, six hour things come in handy. Six hours for a charge of the Galaxy Buds, seven hours on the case. You tell me 13 hours of charge for the Samsung Galaxy Buds, which is going to run out faster, your phone or your earphones? Probably your phone. Yeah, I think I kind of agree. I mean, I just it's one of those technologies on the face of it. It gets me all jazzed up in natural views. You're probably totally right. I'm actually looking for more devices that would charge my phone for me. So I don't think Tom is wrong. Would it be cooler if we somebody would finally figure out that whole kinetic charging thing where I put it in my pocket and all the while? Oh, yeah, I'm looking forward to that, too. Like when someone does that right, I'm going to be stoked beyond measure. But this is a nice little thing. And I'm probably I think Tom's right, though. I hate when you're right, but you're right. I know I hate when you're right. I like it. And it's all right all the time. Yeah, you must be angry all the time when Tom is right. Oh, stop. I use an Android device. I use a Chrome OS device that uses Android apps. But but I don't I don't use it as my sole phone. Roger, you use Android as your sole phone. And I know these prices just make your eyes water. Yeah. So one of the reasons why I moved I went to Android was that there were more more manufacturers and you can get them at a lower price like my limit right now is around 450 for a new phone. I am really I am really curious, in fact, very interested about the S10. The triple camera set because I want to play with it to see if it's something that is compelling enough for me to kind of shell out, you know, the remaining, you know, 500 bucks to to to get one because it is it is such a high price. But at the same time, man, I like I really like having a good camera in my phone. It's the reason why I bought the S10 Galaxy S6 because at the time it was the best Android phone camera that that they had available and the and the screen with HDR10 plus, which is, you know, I'm I'm still trying to wrap my head around how useful that is in the day to day environment. But as an Android phone, especially as a flagship phone, it's pretty it's pretty nice. But again, because it's a flagship phone, it's also at the upper price point where my budget doesn't allow me to go. Yeah, I think the the the other thing that I think is impressive is that ultrasonic in-screen fingerprint sensor. That looks like it works great. We'll see in practice whether it works as good as it did on stage. But pretty amazing. And because it's ultrasonic, you know, works in a lot of situations that regular fingerprint readers don't. So pretty cool. All right, a couple of other things that Samsung announced before we wrap up their announcements, the Samsung Galaxy Buds that I just mentioned, $130 or bundled with the S10 and S10 plus, you'll be able to get them as well, I think, with the Galaxy Fold. You can get them in white, black or yellow, very compact. They're oblong, so it's hard to really compare them to the AirPods, but they're at least the same size, if not a little smaller than the AirPod case. Those are available March 8th. There's also the Galaxy Watch active with five atmospheres of water resistance that'll measure your blood pressure and your heart rate. Do auto tracking for exercises, some sleep tracking, wireless charging. You can drop that on top of your Galaxy S10 to charge. That's $200 come in March 8th with US pre-orders by March 7th, receiving a complimentary wireless charging pad. You can get those in silver, black, gold and see green. And the Galaxy Fit, which is going to make Fitbit really mad because they're calling it a Fit, but it's like a Fitbit. Water-resistant color AMOLED touch screen, weak long battery life. It does a lot of the heart rate checking, sleep tracking, etc. Auto tracking for exercises. That one's coming in Q2. No price. So wearables, folks. What's your favorite? These are cool and all, but I really am bugged about them calling it a Fit. Like, I just. Why? That was going to be the thing I said that was the least buggable about it. No, it totally bugs me because it's Samsung doing that thing they do where they just kind of sneak in other people's names and recognition. I'm not saying it's a full blown, like, you know, stab it. Fitbit or the Fit, they can't. Yeah, we have a Chevy S10 too. Why are they stealing that name? You know, I like the general umbrella of being fit is does not belong to any of these companies. No, but if you're Fitbit, you're going to hear some Samsung say, oh, it's called the Samsung fit. And by the way, profile wise, if you look at that thing, it looks the same. It's just like a. I think it's a little skeevy, just a little. It's not that big a deal. And I think fitness is great and they should focus on it. And all that stuff's true. But they probably get a found another word besides fit. That's what and what would that be? I don't know, like a Samsung health. The Samsung new Hickey. I don't know, whatever it is. Samsung Galaxy. Hard rate. No, wait, that's a Microsoft made. Never mind. I just happened to be researching new cars. And one of them is the Honda fit. So listen, a lot of a lot of fits out there, a lot of fits. But there's no confusion, though. A car is a car and a risk thing. Anyway, I that's just I I I get where you're coming from. The watch active is fine. The fit is fine. If you really are living in the Samsung universe, these are great options for you. I don't know that they're terribly compelling over other options out there. The Galaxy Buds, on the other hand, I think those are competitive and kind of points to the fact that these sort of wireless earbuds that you stick in your your ears, like the ones Sarah is living with right now, the Jabra, what, 65 T's and the wave of the future. Well, and there, I mean, yeah, this this was actually the most exciting part of it for me, just because I'm I'm I'm currently living with the Jabra's and their price about the same. And I would be curious to put them head to head now that I know what I like about the Jabra's and what I don't my favorite. My favorite American sitcom is living with the Jabra's. I'm glad you're enjoying it. Bringing up Jabra. Keeping up with the Jabra's, guys. Get it right. Even better, even better. Hey, thanks to everybody who participates on our subreddit. You can keep up with everybody on the subreddit by submitting stories and voting on others at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. Thanks to everybody who participates. We love your feedback. Also, facebook.com. Slash groups slash Daily Tech News Show is where to hang out with us on Facebook as well. We also get the emails like today. What do we got? Well, we sure did. Cameron in Australia had some thoughts on our show yesterday about Smart Toilets and Tom and Patrick and Roger and I kind of hot about it. However, Cameron had some good thoughts. He said, the heart rate Smart Toilet could be really valuable, no joke. In an old people's home or in hospital ward where the information is valuable, but getting people hooked up to get readings is also heart. Also, not commonly brought up at the dinner table is how frequent and volume and type of bowel movements could be important and they could. So seems like a really smart idea to get where people universally seem happy to expose their skin already. Cameron, I was trying to make this point yesterday. Thank you for making it so much better than I did. It's true. Because I think one of the things we didn't quite get expressed is if you are in an assisted living or a nursing home situation, you may not be able to wear a sensor. You may chafe your skin. Totally. You may not fit properly, may fall off. There could be all kinds of reasons why. And so this would be a valuable supplementary source of data. Absolutely. Thank you, Cameron. Thank you for keeping us honest. And also thanks to Scott Johnson for being with us this fine hump day. Scott, what has been going on in your world? Well, I've been feeling a little more fit. Just kidding. That's true. I'm active. Driving your S10 around. Right. Oh, it's old, Scott. All these things are true. No, there's a lot of busy happenings happening over in my world to keep up with them and find out what they actually are. You can head on over to frogpants.com slash all of it. Just go to frogpants.com. It's all there, including the MVGB show that I do with Patrick for this very network that comes out once a month and lots of other great content that you might enjoy. So give it a shot. That's frogpants.com and I'm at Scott Johnson on Twitter. Hey, folks, our goal each month is to get one more patron than last month. 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It makes a lot of sense. I really like Samsung's Galaxy unfolds. I like it. I like that. Because it gets everything in there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't disagree at all. Well, good. OK, well, all right. It's in the dock for you, Roger, right there. Although Zoe brings bacon, I do like a freaking sandwich. A freaking sandwich. Just because that sounds so good to me right now. Oh, it sounds great right now, doesn't it? You can hear me now. Oh, man, I want a sandwich. Just a big, Scott, what kind of sandwich would you get right now if you could get any sandwich in the whole world? The whole world. No, oh yeah, you're not a sandwich. You're eating a sandwich. If I was going to eat one right now, I would go to Popbellies and I would get their, what's that called? Yeah, Popbellies. I don't know if you guys have them in LA or not. I don't think so. I know Midwest has them, so maybe they're kind of moving that direction. Is it a pork store? No, it's like a full-on, just a fancy sandwich kind of place. But they're so good. You'll never have a better sandwich at a place. It's so good. But like, OK, but like, OK, give me more information. So at Popbellies, what kind of sandwich do you get? They have so many good ones, but they have this one called the Wreck that is roast beef. Like with the W with the Wreck? Like, you're wrecking yourself? Yeah, like, this is just a big old Wreck. And I think they mix a bunch of stuff, so it's like roast beef and turkey and a bunch of other things. But the thing that makes it unique is these mushrooms and the way they grill them right before you do them. I'm weeping. I want to go. And they have breads in it. Oh, when I get skinny, you ask for it skinny and what they do is they take the same bread, whatever bread you get, and then they cut out, or they just carve out with their hand with a glove on it. They carve out all the fat bread in the middle. Independent tech news directly. Unboxed, if you could have my soul phone, giving a complimentary one. Greatest tip from our previous episode. Wow. I thought it was actually you saying a thing, and I'm like, wow, she is. Like it was kind of like, yeah, we kind of like went weird on, you know, sandwiches and just sort of. So wait, so the nearest one to us is in Arizona. Oh, man, sorry. Or Chandler, Arizona. That's too bad. First of all, I would never get the skinny. I just would never do that. I don't understand my people would. Got it. You save a couple hundred calories or something. Man, if I'm eating that, I'm not worried about calories. Somebody said they started in Chicago. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. They have apostellas in Chicago. Is that what you're trying to say, Sarah? I'm saying, look, Tom, when you were here last time. They like a good sandwich. They like a good sausage sandwich. I would get a Cuban sandwich right now. They have one there. You can get one at Pop Bellies. Really? Yeah, good one, too. You know what they have around Thanksgiving? They make a full Thanksgiving sandwich. It's got turkey, cranberry on it. No, stop it. That's so good. It's so good. Also, why does that have to be seasonal? Why can't we have that all year round? There was a place in Austin when I lived there. So this was in the 90s called Little City. It was a coffee shop with sandwiches. And they had a Thanksgiving sandwich available year round. That was what you're talking about, Scott. And every time I'd go there, I'd get the Thanksgiving sandwich no matter what time of year it was. That sounds great. And when you ate it, did it feel like it was things like they did it right? Yeah, they did. Like it had the spices and just enough cranberry that you weren't like, eh, the cranberry. But giving you that hint of almost just a smell of cranberry, like, oh, yeah, it smells like Thanksgiving in here. Hint, hint of cran. Yeah, yeah. Got it, yeah, yeah. It was delightful. And what's funny is I bought the Little City travel mug because I would go there all the time. It was on my bus route. So I'd actually get off the bus, go get a coffee and a sandwich, and then go on into work. And Eileen uses that mug to this day. Like it was a lot. It was a well put together mug. I think I bought that thing in 1996. I love a good mug that lasts forever. Yeah. Like the detainee mug at the store. Do you have a lot of mugs that don't last forever? Well, you know, how they're pre-nate or something for everything. I guess travel mugs can last pretty well. Yeah. It's a good point, though. I'm not breaking mugs left and right or anything. Yeah. Well, speaking of cities, Bay Cities, which I introduced Roger and Tom too, last year at some point, I think it was last summer, does have one of the best submarine sandwiches you can get in this world. That sounds fantastic. And it's called the Godmother. Oh. I have taken. I know. And you're groaning and that is warranted because it is so good. It is every meat that's ever been known to man plus all the other things. Sounds great. That's the sandwich. Amen. It's delicious. That's why I like Cuban sandwiches or moofaletas. Yeah. Same idea. It's just a bunch of meat, you know, and some nice spices. They introduced very briefly a pizza sandwich thing that I thought sounded really stupid that Popelli's tried it and it was. Oh, that sounds good. Roger may remember the toaster oven, which was on 3rd Street in downtown San Francisco. Yeah. It was on 2nd, wasn't it? Down from Seenit? I just remembered. I kind of liked it, but I thought their prices were kind of like, man, I like it, but I don't like it that much. Oh, come on. The prices were like $7 or $8 for a sandwich. It was like 10 bucks by the time. What did you want it to be? $4.50. That's $4.50. All I know is three Hoonans is around the corner and I could get a big, fat lunch, super cheap, and that was super delicious. It was about the same price as the sandwich. I guess you. For like two, if I got like an entree. The sandwiches were huge. I think it's the same amount of food. Well, and also like, what do you want? Do you want a sandwich or do you want something else? Well, because you could go to Quizno and get the sandwich for $5, but you were going to Quizno's, right? You could go to the Indian restaurant and get the sandwich. Oh, Curry in a hurry. That place is great. Meful. Meful was like five bucks for every... Five events. Oh, Meval was good. Meval was good. $6.50, if you got the... There's always one dish and there was always six bucks, six something. Yeah, I never got that. And then you got a side of nine. Oh, that stuff was great. Yeah. I would sweat it out through the afternoon. I do half and half sometimes. You could actually ask for like, oh, I want half this dish, half of that. And they put it in the same bowl. It's great. I actually could go into... That sounds amazing. The reason I brought the toaster oven up was they had a pizza toasted sandwich that was amazing. I want my Indian pizza. I would eat that. Pizza sandwich down in... Isn't that just like a hot pocket? I don't know. That sounds good though. Hot pocket. It was like... What are you gonna eat? And then it was like nice thick toasted bread. So it was better than a hot pocket. Well, okay. But it was non, right? Oh, no. That's meffle. It was non. Oh, okay. I'm talking about the toaster oven had the pizza. Oh, non sounds good for a pizza sandwich though. No, it's great. I do love everything. Everything should be non. I do that. I buy like these... Girl, like non is my life. ...my Costco. I do too. I buy the same ones. Roger, I don't... Those things are awesome. I know. What you do is you put them in the microwave on a plate for like 10 seconds. They get soft and steamy. Anything can be eaten with them. Yes. I put them in the toaster oven. I put a little cheese and I put like chicken strips on it. The actual toaster oven. Not the restaurant. Right. Yeah, an actual kitchen appliance. Yeah. Indian pizza. That's what I miss most of all from San Francisco. I will say, okay. Since we're talking about non, there are certain things that don't totally work with non. For example, salsa. Oh, I don't know. No. It doesn't really work that well because I've tried. If you call it chutney and you make it with mango, it's awesome. No, I see where you're coming from. I see where you're coming from. No, no, no. You'll put some toastitos on your non and tell me if you like it. You won't. No, like those little non things they get from Costco, they're basically the chalupa shells at Taco Bell. So you can put anything in there. You know, I have put salsa. I have put not salsa pico de gallo. I think it just has to be savory in a certain way. Yeah. Otherwise, it's kind of weird or something. Other way, I think it's because it's up the water that is inherently. All right, all right. I just I have to bring us back to the toaster of again. I'm sorry. I found their menu. They're out of business, but I found a cash menu. The pizano was the pizza sandwich, pepperoni, mushrooms, marinara sauce and provolone cheese. Dream life for five dollars and thirty nine cents. I'm ready. Oh, why is it thirty nine cents? Never mind. No one cares. No, I Roger and make him think of his two. I'm going to prove to you, Roger, that it was affordable pizza sandwich. I also would get the kitchen sink, which was roast beef, turkey, salami, ham and provolone. Sounds great. That sounds like the wreck. That might be closer to what the wreck is. Any of their sandwiches came with mayonnaise, mustard, hot peppers, lettuce, tomato, onion, pickles or an extra seventy five cents for avocado. Also, I know we've talked about this at nauseam, but people who don't put mayonnaise on sandwiches are only hurting themselves. That's me. And well, OK. So I'm hurting myself. I'm hurting myself, but I enjoy eating it that way. It I agree. I like it. I'll tell you what, I know I could see your eyes rolling in the back of your head like a slot machine. No, I just I just feel sorry for you. No, the thing is when I get a sandwich, I always get a side and Tom is trying to show us with this pizza. I've changed. I've just transformed into the kitchen sink. What I get with what I get is a side is always potato salad. So for me, I already have mayo, so I don't need to have that message. Oh, God, Roger, I just don't really like mayonnaise. Listen, mayonnaise is your friend. If you want to eat potato salad, that's on you. But it doesn't. I don't know. Potato salad, more I need more carbs. I need just tons of mustard. I will bring out the helmets. Oh, yeah. The helmets don't even I'm on bull. I got hands on here. I'm with Sarah. I'm with Tom on the helmets. I like it all. Just put it all on. No, don't. Yeah, there's this goes so many levels deep. I will say, OK, so I don't like a potato salad, but I love macaroni salad. And you don't love no wonder. No wonder you react the way that you do. You're missing out a good chunk of your life. I don't I don't like potatoes. This is a true thing. We've talked about that. Yes, we are like potatoes. We are mostly anti potato on this show. Yeah, even though we're both the two. But I like macaroni salad, which is also male heavy. Is it because we have Irish backgrounds that we're anti potato? Because of what it we may be sort of. Yeah, it's probably because you had a heavy potato. You know, some of the worst things that happened. Whereas I did not. Like when I was going to read that potatoes, we have a lot of time, but I still like them. I think Tom might be on to something. You guys just remember the blight in utero. Angry at potato potatoes are at Englishman's plot. I I I rail against potatoes. But I understand that that is a rage. Rage, right? I'm throwing up a spud. Right. I hate them. I also love tater tots. Do you like tater tot, though? I don't like French fries, but I love tater tots. No, OK, so French fries, absolute nonsense. Tater tots, same. But what about like? I love French fries. No, no, get rid of potatoes. Like, what about jalapeno poppers? Oh, I think the same idea. So good. I mean, if they're the ones from Chile, don't they fill it with cheese, which makes it kind of fried cheese? It's just gross. Why would you eat a potato when you can eat fried cheese? Yeah, yeah. That's a good point. Because I could just drink cheese and it would be as fatty. You can dip it. This is the thing. When I see fried hors d'oeuvres, like appetizers, whether it's chilies, TGIS or whatever, all I think of is acne, because that's that's just. You think of acne? Yeah, yes. Oh, because there's some. There's some forgotten teen back there making a minimum wage, sloppin' out the stuff. So it's not that it causes acne. It's that it's. Well, no, it does. I mean, that's the whole thing about acne. It's like you got an oily face. And yeah, if you work food service, that's the deep fryer is the worst thing about working in a restaurant. I don't think so. I think the people are the worst thing about working in a restaurant. Absolutely. Customers, that's the worst. Hey, but we love our customers at Daily Tech News Show. So thank you for watching our video. We appreciate it. Please tell your friends, like and subscribe. Audio folks, stick around. There's more to come.