 So Kakaroche poker. So speaking of packs, we were at Pax East and I was working in tabletop walking around looking at what games walking around looking around and I saw some people playing this game and the game looked mad fun and I said what the hell game is that and they said it's Kakaroche poker. They explained it to me a little bit. So then the next day we're hanging out playing some games and I'm like I'm gonna go to the library and see if they got Kakaroche poker, cock poker and see if it's there and it was not there. So the day I was reminded of it. I'm like oh yeah that game. So I went on Amazon and I searched for Kakaroche poker you know the South American jungle website and I saw two different ones. So I said oh no should I get the original one or this upgraded looking. Locker or Cocker lock in poker Royale. Right. So I go on board game geek and people are commenting like yeah there's actually a reason to own both of these. You know this don't just buy you know buying two is not redundant. It's not one of those situations like yeah you buy a carcassone and then you buy a carcassone with an expansion right. It's like no it's actually is different right. So I said well they're cheap and tiny perfect for kind of game for me. Yeah I'll buy both. So I bought both and yesterday we played both. They're pretty good. So designed by actually a designer I'd never heard of. So French person Jacques Zemet from Luxembourg. He's made a bunch of other games. But I don't think I've played any of them. Bambaleo bad bunnies Defeason 7. I haven't played any of these. Check them out. But anyway. So here's the deal. These are this one has the best name. Elephant testico. So the cockroach poker has a lot to do with cockroaches not a lot to do with poker. It's a bluffing game. So basically where it works is you put a card out there. And you don't tell anyone what the hell it is. You deal out the whole deck. You put any first player puts a card out there and you aim the card at a specific opponent. So maybe I aim it at rim. Yeah. And it's phased down and I say rim this card is a cockroach. So I have two choices. It might not. There's eight different freaking animals in the deck. This cockroach rat without you know. So I have a choice now I can either accept the card or refuse the card. But then before once I decide that I have to say if I agree with what Scott said it is or I disagree. Right. So basically your choices are pass the card along and try to it's like I don't know if you're bluffing or not. I'm going to try instead to bluff someone else. Right. So if you bluff someone else you look at the card now you know what it is and then you try to give it to someone else and you do the same thing again. Yep. If you think you know like I know Scott's lying or I know Scott's not lying it doesn't matter which it is as if you are certain or relatively certain that you know what the other person is as lied or not. If you know what that card is without looking at it you call them out and if you are correct they take the card and if you're wrong you take the car I might say Scott I accept this card and I believe I agree that it is a stink bug and I flip it over if it is a stink bug Scott has to take it back and it goes in front of him and if rim thought so in that case rim thought I was not lying he thought I you know was telling the truth and you were if I was telling you and then if I was lying though he would have to take the card. Yep. And basically the best part about this game is you just keep doing this over and over until one person has four bugs of the or four creatures of the same type in front of them or one player runs out of cards in their or someone runs out of cards in the way you run into cards is because if you take a card in front of you you start the next turn. So if you just keep bluffing wrong or getting burned even if you're you know all your creatures don't match up into a set of four you are playing more cards from your hand than other people and you because you're getting you're on the wrong end of the bluff too much you're getting figured out. So that's that's just regular cock poker. The interesting parts of the game is that you start off and you don't really have much to go on except for reading people psychologically. You see your hand of cards. Yeah. I see seven stink bugs. Yeah. It's just eight of eight different creatures for six. I think it's a 64 card deck. Right. I think so. Yeah. There's nothing special and yeah. It's just eight different creatures and there's eight of each and that's it. So you can count everything. But as the game goes on there's more and more face up. So like you see seven bats and you got three bats in front of you and someone pushes a card at you and says it's a bat. Is that the 8th bat. Yeah. The odds of that are low. But on the other hand they not a card counting game because all the information you could have is visible. Yeah. Either in your hand or laying in front of people and it's a bluffing game but it's not the like try to it's not like Sheriff of Nottingham. It's not it's more like Liar's died because the Sheriff of Nottingham luck telling the truth is safe and lying is risky in this game. It's always risky. Yeah. You're trying to get the other person to second guess. So it's one very matter whether you're you're lying or telling the truth. If you pass a card at someone it could come back to you either way. And it's an interesting you just need to say a thing and push the card in such a way that they will get it wrong or take the risk onto themselves and push it on just push the car. The real decision is who do you target because they might then retarget it. The card might hit everybody. Right. When there's only one person left to be targeted they can't retarget it because everyone knows what it is. They have to decide bluff you know true or not. The best part about this game is that Scott will pass me a card. He'll be like it's a cockroach and I'll be like I do not accept this card and I look at it and it doesn't matter what it is and I'll pass it to someone else and say it's a stink bug. I saw one card get every day got passed the maximum number of times and everyone said it was something different. I love that aspect of the game. It's like what the hell is the final person supposed to think about this card. Yep. It's not the most in depth game. It's definitely just a bluffing game. If you there's no way you can analysis paralysis or anything because it's like you don't have a lot to go on. It's like B.S. or Liar's Dice. It's that Liar's Dice. I think it's Liar's Dice without the luck part because Liar's Dice you literally roll the dice and could get lucky and get like a whole shit ton of ones in there. You can't get lucky and like strategically the game is pretty random unless people have really obvious tells or very bad at bluffing. Yep. And it ends up being a little bit of a watch. I couldn't figure out any great heuristics for achieving victory. I had a shockingly effective heuristic. If someone's going to lie and you're just reading people though. It's just reading people. But it worked a hundred percent of the time until I explained it and my heuristic was I'll tell all of you now. It only worked if a card got passed to someone else first before it came to me. Whenever someone looked at a card and then gave it pushed it to me. If they looked at it for more than four seconds I assume they're relying and if they looked at it for less than four seconds I assume they're telling the truth and in my experience playing this game twice that was 100 percent reliable. All right. So this cockroach poker Royale which is not the same game. It's not an expansion. I believe you mean Cocker Lock and poker Royale. Right. It is a upgraded and tweaked version of the original game. So it's mostly the same except they got rid of a few bugs which gave me a problem because you got lied and said this is spider. I passed a card to someone I said spider and spider was not in the royal version. It was like oops. But basically they cut out some animals. They put in a crown version. So there's one rat king one cockroach king one you know it said one scorpion. They all just count as like the animal of the type. Right. But they also you can now say Royale instead of saying cockroach or stink bug. And that means it's an I not telling you what kind of animal it is but I'm telling you it has a crown and it's just the same as otherwise. But if you take if you end up taking a crown in front of you however it gets there there's a penalty pile so you actually can end up getting more cards. Yeah. If you so it's like you kind of want to pass the crowns and make people take them. Right. But if you take a crown got a royal rat from your hand and try to pass it off. You could immediately have that in front of you if you the other person calls you and gets it right. So the royal version basically adds a swingier higher risk situation to the game. It also has these two special cards. Yep. That are basically sort of like foils that you can sort of confuse people with like this one that's always false no matter what you say. Yep. And there's and there's one that is always is always it's always no royal. It's never royal. Right. So if you say royal it's always wrong but you say anything else and it's right. But the mechanics with these cards are if you get caught with it like if you're if you take it and you're wrong about it you take it into your hand and you got to play the thing you were wrong about in front of you if you have it. If you don't have it daddy to in front of you. Yeah. So you basically there's just a whole bunch of cards that let you hurt people more but could end up hurting you more because like anytime you pass a card to someone in this game it's like you just want that person to pass the card along. You don't want them to guess because they guess it's like they got you got a 50 50 shot of that card coming right back in your face. So the game is highly social like it's very easy to just sort of interact and hang out and play at the table. It's easy to learn it doesn't take long. Yep. You can play with two to six people but I wouldn't recommend to I think three to three to six is where it's quick to play. The game goes on for a little while because there's like a lot of this all the way I think it went on for a little box at four players. So there's more cards in your hand. I think if you had six players it might go well it might go well I'm not sure if it would go longer or shorter because on the one hand to be harder for somebody to get four of the one thing in front of them when they're spread out more but on the other hand someone could run at a cards in the hand real fast if they keep getting targets. Yep. And it's keep targeting that person who's only got a few cards in the hand. Yep. Once someone's got three rats like everyone just starts throwing like hey here's a rat. You could actually so we could actually for example conspire right. Let's say I start the game and sitting to my you know I got Emily and Chris next to me and they say hey let's make rim lose. So basically we could set up a thing where I always passed. Oh no we couldn't because as soon as you took a card you would start. Yep. But we could set up a thing to where whenever whenever possible. So basically three fourths of the time the politics of where you direct a card. We always make rim the we always don't accept the cards and always pass it to rim less and basically forced to agree or disagree. You don't want to be involved. Yes. Like really you just do not want cards to ever come in front of you. It is really no benefit to actually like playing your best bet is to sit there and do nothing. Yep. Because there's only one loser is not like one person wins is one loser and everyone else wins equally. So just don't be that loser. So I would recommend this game either either it is possible if you're not the first player in the game it is possible for you to sit there and do nothing the entire game and then win. I would recommend either of both of these games to anyone who goes to conventions and you need games to like get to the table while you're waiting for everyone to show up or like in between two serious games bust this out. This is also a great game to bust out while you're eating dinner or something at a con. Yeah. I don't know if you should buy whether you buy the royal one or the regular one. It's like the royal one does add some complexity. The royal one in my opinion wasn't necessarily more fun than the regular one. The regular one was just sort of so polished and pure. So I don't really see them like one is better than the other. They seem kind of equal but slightly different. I would say the royal one is swingier more random and there's higher risk in any given hand. That's the only difference between the two. Yeah. Like I'm not like if you I'm sitting there and I'm about to play and I have to pick one of the two. I guess it's like a coin toss right and it depends on the group. I think definitely though there is an advantage of if you have people haven't played it before you probably mean play the non royal one first. Right. If they're intelligent gamers you could just go straight to the royal one. No problem. But the regular one is not a baby mode. So it definitely helps to play the regular one first and then play the royal one. It'll be a much easier transition. I would also say though that this is an excellent game to bust out for non gamer friends or for family. Also great for you could probably play this a very young people. I imagine probably like I don't know 10 year olds could play. I think I think six to 10 year olds could play. Six year olds would play randomly and have problems but I think they could do it. Below that would still be trouble but young kids can play this game. I'm not sure you know but you could there's definitely a very young I'm not sure what does it say on the box for age. It says let's see two to six players ages eight and up community says six and up. Yeah I mean you can you can definitely especially the non royal one. Yeah you can play with young people because like you know how are they going to mess the game up right. You know it's not hard.