 We're all clearly ready. Yes, very clearly ready. Sorry. I had to kick the corgi out of the room as you can imagine Tears streaming down my face as I do so well, everybody Welcome to tomorrow for October 1st, 2023. So glad to have you all here. I'm Jared We've also got Ryan joining. Wait, wait, Jared's Jared's not quite centered in this in the screen, man What's going on with you? What do you know? You're not Look new look up here with the multitude of things With that there. How's this for you? Three three-thirds is not a rule three-thirds is not a rule. Oh, okay. So that's how that's how we're gonna run this today All right. Yeah, yeah, Jamie's Jamie doesn't show up and in everything is all the math is suddenly my fault Yes. Yeah, pretty much. Oh, okay. Fine. All right. Well, we're gonna We're gonna keep it going anyhow. So as you all have noticed, that's data right there keeping us all in check for what we're supposed to be doing today But we are gonna go ahead and start off with you, Ryan because we have had a very busy week With SpaceX as always and you know always good to touch on them at the start So Ryan, what have we had from our dearest ex this week? They've they've put big ship on big booster again As you can see it's kind of Not I wouldn't say confusing, but mildly unexpected. I think it's probably the best way to put this because They don't have a launch license The flight termination system hasn't been armed So they're physically and regulatory wise both not ready to launch despite what a certain CEO likes to say on his social media platform. So they're not ready to launch but they're Putting the ship back on the booster for a configuration, which is from the outside looks like they're ready to launch even though they're not They're very very smoothly go back. So it is kind of confusing to look at but This could be an indication that SpaceX has actually decided that they want to do some full-stack testing such as a full-stack wet dress rehearsal To prepare for launch whilst they have to wait I'll say longer than expected for regulatory things to go through Maybe SpaceX thought that they'd already have a launch license by now turns out that they don't so they're like Oh, we've got extra time. We might as well do extra testing. Maybe that's just what they've decided to do at the end of the day Yeah, nobody apart from SpaceX themselves really know what they're doing but at least for now we have a full stack that we can take pretty pictures of and share with everyone on the internet so Maybe full-stack testing is on the way, but to make it even more confusing. There aren't any road closures indicating that a full-stack test would be on the way We typically see overpressure notices as well to residents of the village If that's something that they're wanting to do because big oxygen and big methane put together Uncontrollably would not be a good day So we don't there's no indications that they're going to do it. So it's just quite confusing Gotcha, so things are I don't want to necessarily say in regulatory limbo because we definitely know that the FAA and others are moving as fast as they as fast as the Mechanisms of bureaucracy can allow them to do so like these are not Groups that are are out to get anybody if you will they're simply there to assure the safety of the public But it is also like we got some extra stuff to do With them there, so it's a bit of a a bit of a slog To get through all of that, but it is what they're working through so Yeah, so I guess in the meantime might as well do what you can Yeah, and Hopefully that's what we see testing because everyone likes a bit of testing but you know as I said There's no indications at the moment that they are going to be testing and Yeah, maybe they'll spring a surprise on us and close the road and issue an over pressure notice But we haven't seen anything like that yet. Yeah, Mr. Huggy is saying that you know all ready to go Hopefully they do a couple of you wet dress rehearsals while waiting and I agree with that it would be It would be pretty good for them to Do that, you know kind of get all of the ducks in a row while they have all of this downtime I Would probably probably look a little bit silly if they had Downtime and then we come up to the launch and they end up finding a whole bunch of problems before the launch in the technical side, so hopefully they can Hopefully they can if they aren't already taking the time now to not follow that out Yeah, so yeah, so boy, it sounds like everybody's in agreement here So tough tough tough crowd to work with today on the tomorrow show with that so Also SpaceX with their Falcon 9's just continuing on as well because let's not forget about the fact that SpaceX is a launch company They're not just a build big test vehicle company. They're first and foremost a launch provider, so That's still going along Falcon 9's chugging along there And I'm hearing that it's that we're accelerating a little bit So it's beginning to look like possibly a hundred launches this year. Maybe very very very very very very close to it. I Need to I don't have the exact number in my head right now But I do know for the month of September. They did conduct ten launches, which is a record for a single month however I'm not sure if let's say they do 2010 in October 10 in November and 10 in December That's only in air quotes big air quotes only 30 more launches So they need to be at 70 launches by now if they want to hit 100 by the end of the year If they stick at this current cadence, and I think they may just be shy of 70 So they could get close to 100 at this cadence, but I'm not sure if they will hit 100 precisely, I think they may be in the 60s somewhere potentially at the moment But we know they're definitely going to be setting a record for this year, so they're yeah, they're setting a record I think they've already surpassed their 2020 to Yes cadence. So the record has already been set. They just have a goal of a hundred and they may or may not reach it Currently it looks like they probably won't Yeah, and I'm sure someone in the chat room will definitely be able to find a precise number for us because that's Just how our amazing chat room here at tomorrow works And Also, Adam Baker letting us know that they have a new Water tank as well on the ground with everything that needs to happen there So there's also a lot of ground systems ground support equipment GSE Tested for starship and he a lot letting us know that they're just at 70 Falcon 9s So Brian I've just found the numbers and it's 70 launches in total 66 Falcon 9 three heavy one starship So if they're sticking with Falcon 9 cadence or just for Falcon 9 They have 69 launches for Falcon 9 and heavy put together So at the current rate of Falcon 9 and heavy cadence, they would literally be one Launch short of hitting a hundred by the end of the year. Yeah. Well, I will say Adam has my favorite comment of the show so far, which is just 70 Yeah, just 70 Just 70 just from one provider Yeah, one provider. I think it's even I So the the there's often the case made that SpaceX is their own best customer with Starlink and other things like that But I would fee I think even with commercial launches It's still they're still The reigning champions, so even with even if you were to just count non-starlink launches, it's still It's a non-starlink launches. They've done 27 flights Yeah, it wasn't 10 years ago where we were raving about having 80 launches in a year Yeah, and that was in 80 launches. We were and that was talking about the entire world So the entire in the entire world all everybody putting everything in the in the sky at 80 launches in one year Yeah, that was less than 10 years ago and SpaceX is doing good targeting a hundred this year Or or eight launches from the United States in a year was like amazing like holy moly Yeah, and at the moment up to this point in 2023 the United States Have as a country launched 85 or was like 80 of which have been successful But that includes test launches such as Starship relativity Also, it includes electron launches which actually launch out of Mahia in New Zealand So my opinion even though they're a US company it counts for New Zealand because it launches from New Zealand But there's a whole another rabbit hole. You can dive down and and throw your opinions out about that But yeah, China has launched 45 orbital attempts 44 have been successful. So in terms of If you discount starlink launches SpaceX is behind China But if you include starlink launches because you know my opinion they're completely valid They're just their own customer. They are nearly twice Two X ahead of China in terms of launches, which is just kind of you know One private entity is beating an entire nation in terms of orbital capability Yeah, so let's say our avail has a great statistic here, which is that in 2012 the United States had 13 launches And we had More than three-quarters of that just in September Just from one launch provider. That was it. So I believe the United States had 11 total in September because we have to include ULA is at us five lofty and silent Parker if I'm remembering all of our stuff Yeah, so and that's if you want to take my screen share quickly I have a chart from the Wikipedia page for 2023 in space flight That big blue bar in the middle is Falcon and everyone else is everywhere is everywhere else So you can see in a in a in a mild second place is the Long March family out of China You can also see poor Atlas here at the bottom with just one launch So and the R7 family is is the is the Soyuz family as well. So you can see Just how far ahead the Falcon family is compared to everything else and Is it is that India India has launched more more rockets than you a has yes Yes by a significant margin Japan with its H series has launched more than the ULA has and The quiet Joe family, which is a private Chinese entity Entities rocket has launched more than Atlas. Atlas has launched once so far this year Delta has launched Once so far this year. So you are a really this is this is not a great year for ULA in terms of launch cadence They usually I'd say they're on a good year. They take seven eight nine ten launches this year We're in October now, and they've launched twice This is like the sport. This is like the sports ball conversations. They're in a rebuilding year. It's fine Yeah, kind of working around with that there Vulcan has been hogging slick 41 for a little while in the earlier parts of the year whilst they were testing that so let's be honest They have been testing Vulcan they just haven't launched it yet Yeah, it's just it still appears to be one of those things where The boy this I don't want to say how the mighty have fallen, but just oh boy how the mighty have slowed down But you know, I think with Vulcan will see it pick back up with with you know, I don't lunch alliance and Cook along with that there. I can't I can't imagine them Fully slowing down to the point where it's like and yeah, that's just not good One that's ULA won't allow that to happen to the US government won't allow that to happen Remember, yeah Yeah, ULA doesn't have the luxury of having you know a pad in Vandenberg for Falcon 9 Two pads at the Cape for Falcon 9 and a dedicated development facility in Texas for Starship, right? ULA has to share slick 41 between Atlas 5 and Vulcan So they don't have the luxury of having a dedicated launch facility just to test their rocket So when that they when they need testing on that rocket, it's going to be hogging up They're only pad from them from the East Coast for address Yeah, I wonder if that's going to be a deal breaker for some of their contracts We're like they're gonna have to Secure another pad for one or the other of the Rockets Yeah, and Bennett actually for their readiness I mean, they've they've got certain things in their contract that says that they need to be ready to launch payloads for DoD and things like that. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, and those are those are an SSL national security space launch contracts So those are those are you hit those marks or you get into a little bit of trouble I was gonna say real quick in our chat room Mike was saying you know to call back to my comment from another episode How many Falcon launches are not starlings just to remind you we found it so far? It was 27 I believe is where we were at with that so 27 Falcon 9 launches that were just essentially for commercial or military providers this year Not in anything. That's not Starlink Yeah, so yeah of the 70 that we've had so far this year And then to go back to Bennett's point, which is that is you all I gonna speed up to their 10 per year cadence from before? Do we think that that's what's gonna happen? Jason says to be fair you LA for Atlas. They are waiting for their customers For Vulcan their fingers they have their fingers crossed on that centaur test Yeah, so I Think Vulcan cadence could potentially in the future rely on the ability to get the smart reuse section back because if they only need to make a centaur and Essentially a fuel tank for the first stage and then they can just stick the The engines and whatnot on the bottom if the BE4 production Really is gonna be a bottleneck then smart reuse could be a way to bring up that Launch cadence for Vulcan But if the bottleneck then I don't know it becomes manufacturing an entire centaur second stage then that could be the bottleneck So I think Vulcan's cadence really relies on whatever bottlenecks the production because It's not fully reasonable They can't just bring the first stage back if first stage construction. It's just meant to be you guys Just build a fuel tank as a tank and stick the engine section on the bottom. Maybe that could fly quite quickly So it just really depends in the pipeline where the where a bottleneck would exist and if they can iron that out yeah, and In smart reuse, I don't think would be on the table with them because they have talked about smart reuse but there's there's yeah, I would I find it very I don't want to say near unbelievable, but I don't think they're I Think they've talked quite a lot about it and they've shown some very pretty charts and graphs and pictures Yeah, I don't believe outside of the Inflatable decelerator test that just recently happened. I don't believe You all I specifically has done much of anything if even anything on that front with them there, so Yeah So yeah, and of course that I think that's a really good point with the Atlas 5 to that They're waiting on customers as well because Kuiper is going to be their big their big close-out customer if you will there And we're still still waiting to hear Waiting to hear that with that there and Yeah, just some just some interest. Oh, how that's how the turns of tables over this past. Yes If you and let's be fair to Kuiper the the the project Kuiper prototypes like it's currently scheduled for Friday Yes in the afternoon, so it is I believe there's two there's two test pagodes on there Obviously, they're not ready to fully ramp up into production, but you know, they are getting there That's kind of the whole story with you and a at the moment. They're getting there with Vulcan Kuiper They're getting there. It's just a bit of a slow roll to get them started and hopefully these things will eventually pick up The pace as they as a game or experience with Vulcan and payload starts come on line You know just this is really the first push of the start line, you know Hopefully things will speed up in over the next couple of years or so Yeah, and don't forget as well that they're gonna have a second launch pad with Vulcan once Slick slick three out here at Vandenberg Space Force Base comes back online Which it's almost been a year since they've started working on that to convert it over to Vulcan So I wonder how much longer they have For that there. So yeah, yeah, but there there's limitations on which orbits you can hit So that it doesn't explicitly double your your cadence. Oh, no, but I'm just saying, you know several several more launches per year Perhaps Out of something there any I would imagine at this point any increase in cadence is a good increase in cadence from from yeah from two to three per year So we'll we'll we'll have to see so yeah And I don't know whether you really has any customers which would be interested in using the southern launch trajectory Which Starlink is famously using now out of Florida Depends of the efficiency of Vulcan But say if they have customers that want a 43 degree inclination They can hit that out of Florida or Vandenberg or and Vandenberg, you know So those kinds of those crossover inclinations depending how how popular they are for say big internet satellite constellations Maybe that could offer a bit of a bit of um Flexibility there because Vandenberg and Florida can both hit that Yeah, that's definitely happening now and I could tell you those of us here in southern California appreciate those 43 degree inclination launches They're pretty spectacular Um to see Quite all the time I like Bennett here saying it depends on how many moon rakers you need in order to pull this off. So Um, that's a really good point Bennett didn't even didn't even think about that With that there so uh Yeah, so pretty pretty funny with that So good one there Bennett. Appreciate it. Uh, and I did want to talk a little bit about another launch provider today Which was rocket lab and they had a failure of their electron rocket in its Previous just its last launch. Um, which didn't happen too long after our previous episode Ryan, do you have any details about that? Have we heard anything new about that besides it was something with the upper stage? the I imagine we won't really hear anything until Well into their investigation processes Uh, if we think back to I think it was ns 23 blow origins Uh Failure last year where the first stage decided it no longer wanted to be a first stage. Um, that Whole kind of investigative process has taken quite a long time to go through It is a human rated vehicle. It is a sub orbital vehicle So there are different factors to take to take into account. However, I think it was back in march of this year They released a document on their website, which is their findings from that So they're being quite open and transparent with that But the actual investigation process only wrapped up a couple of weeks ago the fAA mishap report only wrapped up a couple of weeks ago So even if the company comes out and says this is what went wrong They're not going to be ready to launch again So that whole process takes quite a long time to go through starships mishap report that only took a few weeks slash months Depending how you want to look at look at it. So potentially this could be a quick process for rocket lab But until that actually wraps up, I don't think we'll hear anything. They've only really been uh, tweeting about kind of the The the the things that they've been doing that isn't launching satellites and and looking back on the electrons history and things like that There hasn't been any kind of like This is what went wrong. This is how we're going to fix it kind of statement yet because that's not what you would expect This far this close to a mishap Happening on a launch and before the questions come in Even though this launched from these england because rocket lab is a u.s company. They are licensed by the fAA It is the fAA's job to do this mishap report. So it's the same process we can expect with all other u.s launch providers Yep, so I think I had seen that they they said they were they were closing in on a root cause But they weren't ready to say anything about it And I mean that's what you'd expect Yeah, I usually it's a couple months to kind of knock down the problem unless it's a very very obvious problem Um with it there. So we'll we'll have to see Um, what ends up happening with them But best of luck of course to rocket lab and blue origin as well with both of them Working together on that and yet blue origin coming to the conclusion of that with the fAA Now it's just up to them to implement all those things start sounds a little familiar, doesn't it? Um With another company that may have blue in its logo. Um, so yeah, uh There's uh With with that there. Yeah, that's pretty uh Pretty interesting that we've got two of them happening at the same time kind of I don't want to say criss-crossing but it feels just like, you know, blue origins working on it or Uh Blue origin working on it and also rocket lab working on it as well with that there. So Yeah, so good luck to both of them. Uh, we'll have to see With that and our avail Saying that it sounds like blue will be doing another uncrewed launch in the next few weeks And yeah, they're definitely not going to put a crew on for the first couple of flights back Um from that there you want to get all the data and make sure everything looks good and and work And they also owe their customers for the flight that went wrong a flight because they didn't get what they paid for So I think uh, the most realistic situation. I don't know this for certain But what I think blue origin would do is just take the capsule That flew ns 23 and fly it on ns 24 if that's what they end up calling it with with a new booster So the customers can actually get the data that they were looking for Yeah, and uh, that's uh part of the deal with it there You know, you got to make sure that you provide what you have said you would provide to your customers and blue origin's gonna do that So, uh, so free rides everybody. So, um, so that's that mean if there's a crew to flight and they have that That the crew gets to fly again or How does that work? Would I want to fly again? I don't know. Um, I guess Uh, yeah, actually I was about to say aerospike In the comments putting it out there, which is I mean some of us would ride new shepherd because it might fail So that's a really wanted to light the booster That's true. Uh there and didn't blue wasn't it blue origin that said that they had actually had customers that had asked them Um, if they could light the booster the escape booster at apogee. So that way they could get a little extra kick Um with it there. So, uh, I'm I would I would ask for that. How much is that option? How much is that option? Blue origin specifically had to say that that is not a selectable flight option Um, because of people have legitimately requested that so they've had to officially say this is this is not not something we are offering Unless stage one fails on the way up you think you don't get that You think somewhat you need the urg sniper to intentionally sabotage the first stage right at the end of its flight Um, and then the second the the capsule sorry will Will uh Abort clearly clearly. That's exactly what it was. I read it on twitter Um, so our veil uh, I like our avail's little slogan uh for our idea here Which is buy one get one half apogee. So pretty good with that Uh, it's speaking of launches because we want to keep this uh keep this on rolling Uh, tunevard tunevander pass in our chat room is asking ryan Are you still going to attend the psyche launch or have your plans changed? In case you didn't hear psyche is going to launch this month in october finally after a year of delays Or a literal year of delays Uh, yeah, and then more than a year Uh, actually, yeah, excuse me a little bit definitely more than a year Uh, and now they've already had to push it a week because of spacecraft issues So ryan, what's up with that? What's up with you because you had a little fundraiser to make that happen Yeah, are we still going? Yeah, I'm still going I to I to move everything. I'm still I'm still waiting for budget to give me my money back for the car hire But um, yeah, I'm still going For the car hire, okay I like how you phrase that um, that is that is definitely I suppose that's that's an english phrasey ology Oh, yes, yes, uh aware of that. So it was just I've never heard it used before so that was pretty It's pretty entertaining to say at least and then our brain was like, huh, that does make a lot more sense to call it that So still coming over to cover it Mm-hmm. I'll be there Okay, so do you Are you like feeling any way about it with it being delaying in or Like what's uh, how we doing or we do you have to you're we've been laying into a bag or It's mildly annoying one week is certainly much better than a year. I do have to say But you know It's a launch you you expect this is it not going to happen on this time at this date And you can predict it 12 years in the future Like I don't know a solar eclipse A launch happens when a launch happens think it scrubs, you know These these things happen. There's no but there's no other way of putting it that it's it's It was expected and I planned around that for that exact reason Yeah, I was gonna say uh scrubs are scrubs and pushes and delays are very much a part of aerospace Welcome to the right or welcome. Welcome watching your schedule move to the right That's kind of just how it goes and uh, you know our self and dada you have We both have been on the receiving end of scrubs with Bennett saying he's you you sound uh, you still I can't read is that saying? Oh, you're still I'm sorry You're still pretty psyched up about it. Yeah, so very very good. Also our avail said that don't sound so excited Uh, Ryan, so don't don't get don't Ryan calm down. Don't don't blow up. I've got to be careful with my levels We're checking the pre show my levels are through the roof. It's turning good lord. Good lord. Um, also, uh Aerospike reminding us that the window does extend two weeks past the current launch date for psyche Um, so don't forget that right, you know, welcome. Welcome to the wonderful world of physics Uh with that there I I don't I don't know what it's like to go to england in october for a launch in january or anything Yeah, i'm sure dada you've got zero stories about about something like that, right? No, no, yeah, nobody would know nobody would know anything about having to wait months for a launch in a different country than you live in so Except for maybe one guy One guy over here that I can see that maybe we can talk about. Oh, yeah, andi law too soon too soon So I guess it's too soon, right? Hey, my stuff worked It's true it did work it did Uh, so ryan coming on over what else you've got to be doing something other than just covering psyche Um, what else are you going to be doing? Well conveniently there's an annular solar eclipse happening on the 14th, which I like a rocket launch can't scrub So I I've got my solar filter. I've got my zoom lens. I'm going to be doing Fingers crossed it's not cloudy because knowing my luck I'll bring the clouds with me. Um, but I'm hoping to be able to to to see that properly, which would be quite cool Yeah, um, so it'll be partial where you're at. Um, but yeah And I'm I'm not going to go to the the path of annularity for this one Um, but yeah, you could probably catch me at griffith or something that day Um, help the public watch it. Uh, but don't forget on april 8th We are going to have one april 8th 2024. We're having a total solar eclipse Rolling through the middle of the united states that one. I will be there for that. I am not going to be missing that I'm I'm still considering like Popping over for the day to see it. I'm not sure because on the I was looking on time and date.com and the The prediction like the the diagrams they give you for like how it will look There's a teeny little smidge That's meant to be visible from the western edge of the uk So I'm contemplating either popping over to the us for like the weekend to see to see the eclipse or trying to Or going back down to Cornwall and trying to or maybe even hopping over to ireland and just trying to Bet my chances to see even if there's a a glimpse of an eclipse from from western europe Which would be you know, obviously not as spectacular as a total solar eclipse But also kind of interesting to see just just a little smidge on the end on the end and not having to you know Get an eight hour flight to texas or something Well, if if I can I highly recommend and this goes for everybody that's watching if you can get find yourself in the path of totality of a total solar eclipse You need to get to it because it is it is an experience that I Cannot describe to you and I had a multitude of co-workers say I can't describe that experience to you You've just got to go experience it and I was like, what are you talking about? Like you should be able to like explain this to me and I really again Boy, we're they're all spot on. I just I haven't gone to the one in 2017 I just can't I can't explain the the Whole experience to you. You see stuff. You feel stuff. You hear stuff um, the you know, there's the changes in the weather and the the view and just Enormity of it all is just You got to go to it to take it in so um So yeah, that's why I'm going back Uh to texas to get to get another four and a half minutes In it's to add to my in the shadow of the moon time Um, that I've already experienced in in my life so far my two minutes one second. I've already had I need more more There it's it's I totally understand why people spend the rest of their lives chasing these events and things Uh Yeah, jared eclipse hard. Yes, it was amazing. Yeah, there's It's yeah, very few words not big spectacular. Amazing. Um, just yeah, go see it. Go see it if you can uh Yeah, with that Okay, and all yeah, I was gonna say uh nick chair actually says the last total visible Eclipse in the uk was 1999, which is probably before you were born ryan Uh, it was I think we had a total and not a total Rhyme a partial last year I I I either earlier this year or late last year. I can't remember now. Um, I do remember that It was it was it was relatively recent with that there Yeah, uh jane saying a total eclipse is indeed nothing that you can explain mine was 1999 I think in the english channel and yeah, again, uh, it really does seem so cliched for for anyone to say I can't explain it to you. You just have to go you just have to go experience it but no really I I could try to explain it to you but Just the the magnitude of it. It's just Explain it just go just go go if there's a if the path of totality is within a reasonable amount Of distance and you're not going to the center of it and figuring out where to go in case of weather I there's something wrong with you as a person and I don't think we can we will get along Uh without there So Um, let's talk a little bit about stoke space So because they did something really cool and it seems like the extra extremely very cool Uh things always happen After our episodes are wrapped up, right? So like this came out just a few hours after our episode wrapped up so and What happened? Who wants to explain what happened? Uh, I could I can I can try because I could do it too. It may be So this is a little What's up? This is the little aerospike gumdrop. Yes or aerosp I love that name for an arrow Spike gumdrop Dada, you're right. That is delightful I really love I actually I quite like that Aerospike gumdrop So there's a lot of people forget you can you know, it's a it's a good. It's a good shape With that there, uh, but stoke space. They are a Small spaceflight company that is working on developing a fully reusable launcher So which is really really awesome, right? Because that's what you need to do nowadays either full reusability or or your your company It's not going to make it. Um, but Why don't I go ahead and pull up the video of it? They showed us It doing a hop and that is uh, that's a really cool thing, right? Because we haven't seen a vehicle do a hop in a very very long time see Oh, is this my screen or did somebody have it? That's right and screen. I'm pulling it up. Yep, and uh, look at that shot It's so amazing. I love it It looks so beautiful But if we'd like to see it in motion, I'm gonna go ahead and pull it up here on my screen Get what I got with it. Okay. Now we should have it. All right. Everybody ready? Yep, ready. There we go. All right get up come on Light It's away That's pretty cool. It was a bit of a bumpy landing though. I will say not not perfectly smooth, but you know Yeah, any landing you can walk away from is a is a good landing apparently even though it can't walk But apparently it still counts Yes, it does it indeed does count uh with that there. So So that was great. You know, we got to actually see uh The vehicle in action. How great is that? Like that's that's so cool And do we I was just wondering have we seen a photo with somebody right by that? Have you ever seen I I I I'm I'm not sure to be honest. I think it's uh, I meant to be um Seven meters in diameter Or seven meters tall it's one of the two Probably seven meters tall and slightly smaller in diameter because the rocket itself isn't that Tall it's quite it's quite a stubby rocket. Um, I think it's shorter than falcon nine By a bit. I think it's probably neutron kind of scale But it is unlike neutron it is uh, intended to be fully reusable bring the first stage back like falcon And then bring the second stage back like a starship Um, except well, I'm not really like a starship more like a capsule It's essentially a big capsule with an aero spike on the bottom. That is also a regeneratively called heat shield Uh, which is just kind of you know Stick in three epic things together in one reusable aero spike with a regeneratively called heat shield That is the aero spike. It's just I think it's probably one of the most if not the Most efficient kind of combine everything together design that there is because you get an engine you get a heat shield And you get a aerodynamically stable vehicle with one design Yeah, and uh, by the way, just to let you know the hot the hopper that they have there is a dedicated hopper vehicle It is about the size of the second stage of stokes launch vehicle Doesn't have the payload fairing on it a very important thing to note there But four meters in diameter six meters tall. So ryan you're right on it with it there. So, um, excellent with that Yeah, it'll probably a seven or eight meters with it with the whole Shebang on top of it as well. Yeah, once the fairing gets put on there You're gonna need to have a bigger fairing On that there. So it will it'll get it'll get huge it will get large Yeah size And yeah, very very exciting to see that and as some people as many of you were noting um In the chat room is that they use differential thrust as their thrust vector control system with that there Uh, yeah, this is uh, oh yeah, go for it, right? I'll take it. This is a in my opinion Hmm, I want to say this without sounding really mean But I hope they don't fly humans on this vehicle or they don't have any goals to fly humans with differential thrust uh for instead of engine gimbling Because famously the n1 rocket from the soviet union used differential thrust instead of engine gimbling on the first stage And their solution was in order to counteract the loss of what an engine on one side to stop the vehicle from tipping over They'd have to shut down another engine on the other side So if you lost one engine you'd lose two and that had about 30 engines in total and they can only lose I think six or eight engines So that means if you lose three engines You're toast because you have to shut down the opposite engine Now that was on the first stage stoke are using this system on the second stage So maybe that will make this more reliable Maybe they wouldn't have to shut down the opposite engine if they lose one for stability or whatnot But I do find it interesting that they have gone down this route Especially with their aero spike instead of trying to figure out some kind of Alternative method in order to introduce the ability to steer the exhaust Because my opinion is that if they do have to do that opposite shutdown thing this could become a very not dangerous but uh potentially difficult vehicle to control if you lose a certain number of of of um of uh of uh Combustion chambers um because it's total it's actually just one engine But it has separate separate nozzles all around the outside So it's a very unique design, but it just depends if it's reliable or not Yeah, and in aero spike was kind of bringing up that reliability issue which that it's one engine to feed all those nozzles Um, which which we talked about Um, Jason actually has a really good oh go ahead data I've pulled up a couple pictures real quick of of what it looks like Okay compared to humans near scale. Yeah, that's pretty good size. I gotta say, uh, I like Jason Jason's description here is actually really well Which is that stokes approach is more akin to the rd 180 so the engine flying on the atlas five Or you've got a single combustion chamber with multiple nozzles Um with that there, right? That's that's what we're talking about. Um, and then also Uh Here from our avail which I think is a very important Way to differentiate between the n1 and now Which is that our computers and engine validation options are a lot better than the n1 days though So I think that things like differential thrust are are reasonable for something like stoke because we can actually Hold off, you know, it's been about 50 years and we've gotten a little bit better At rockets and computers to control those rockets. At least I would hope we have um but TSM space does bring up a really good point, which is that Uh, that there's a lot of stabilization needs to be used with these valves and things You got to hold the valves open to the right positions It would be as I don't know if I would describe it with that kind of complexity As complex as a walking robot, but it is absolutely a A significantly more complex system The most rocket engines because of because of what you have there Yeah, so holy moly, uh, that's still really cool. I love what stoke has been able to do with that And how rapidly they've been able to do it too Um, I think it was it was about just a year and a half ago when they came up on the scene and and Already they've got a hopper Going so yeah, and they were the the company was founded by two people who left blow origin Because they I think this is correct because they thought that blow origin was moving too slowly so Ironically blue was yet to to fly any tests of of of their orbital vehicle again And stoke already has but to be fair to blue new green is on a completely different scale to what stokes vehicle Stokes currently unnamed vehicle is Yeah, um Holy smokes like just that's really really rapid and then of course mad props to the aero spike Um going down with it. They're always always always Love us. I love us an aero spike engine, baby. I mean that is uh I want an aero spike so bad and it it always breaks my heart when I see uh when I see tim's uh Tim's video that says our aero spike engines good or bad and it's just like no tim dot again. I can't do this here Um, so yeah, so super excited to see that uh with them there. All right Anybody got anything else before I talk about some asteroids coming back? What about you? I think we should let you get over with your astrology. Do you want me to talk about? It's not astrology. Not this Week is this is local. This is planetary science, which is different. So It's planetary science, which is Different from astronomy So which your shirt there ryan, I'd like to point out talking about Pluto A whole bunch of astronomers voted for Pluto to be no longer be a planet not a whole bunch of planetary scientists Uh did it uh as as the great dr. Alan stern Who's the who's the principal investigator on the new horizons mission? The Pluto once told me having a bunch of astronomers decide what kind of object Pluto is is like going to a podiatrist for your brain cancer um anyways He's got away with words, what's up sounds like fighting words right there Well, I'll tell you anything. Dr. Stern. Thank you so much for your uh For your really great ones. And then of course, yeah, I do want to talk about uh this Super awesome thing that happened last sunday. Um, which was we had some samples drop off Finally, there we go. There's our samples being dropped off at the Dunway proving ground Uh, you know out in Utah from the osiris rex mission So six years or susie seven years in the making For this launching with one of my favorite configurations of rockets the atlas five in the four one one Configuration, so we had a single solid So did the the power slide off of the Over the launch pad there and as you can see A good parachute coming down and we actually do have those samples back and yes, uh the samples from asteroid benu Which it was expected to maybe get like uh 60 grams or so it definitely we've got almost a Uh, I believe several hundred grams of materials From it there. So it it overwhelmed the the sample container I'm going to kind of skip ahead on the video here a little bit With it as we as they hunted down and of course very happy to get those samples back These are the first samples the united states has returned of an asteroid from space not The first country to do it That would be japan japan's actually done it with both high abyss of one and high abyss of two So very cool missions that we've had that with there. So So awesome and osiris rex the main spacecraft Is still out in space and it's now turned into the osiris apex mission Which is going to rendezvous with asteroid apophis Coming up towards the end of the 2020s And if you've ever heard of asteroid apophis before that's because it is well known for Being an asteroid that was first thought that was actually going to hit the earth But then after some more observations that we did of it. We were able to figure out. Oh, yeah It's it's actually not not going to be hitting the earth at all. So which is good We don't want things to hit the earth and this is why we study these kinds of things as well because we want to know what it's like You know if we if we have to work with that. So yeah, there you go. That's what we got So really cool to get those samples back Once the pictures start rolling out in mass i'll grab some and hopefully next week. I could show you some very cool things So Did the drogue open? Yes, the drogue did open So as far as I know it did it went through all that it should have it's just that the capsule is not very big capsules like How big was it maybe A couple like a meter and a half roughly something like that. So yeah, not very big as far as I saw It did it's just that it's very Very small. So you didn't really it's really small and you didn't see it from far away. So Yeah Aravella said I assume someone has done the math and confirmed that booping up office won't put it back on course for earth Oh, well, we're not gonna So cyrus rex is you can't sample anymore. It's it's kind of done um With that. So yeah, it uh, it's Yeah, it can't boop anymore anymore. It's just going for observation What not and things yes. Yes, and it's gonna arrive in time for apophis to do. It's very close Close pass of the earth in 2029 So i'm actually really excited about that because I hope that they get a really great image of Osiris or of apophis and the earth in the same frame. I think that would be like stunningly amazing With that there. So that would be cool. Look, but don't boop Yes, exactly. Look, but don't boop. So yeah Um, I thought I saw another uh question like a actually like a serious question um With that. Oh, yeah Theoretical question would it be possible to provide osiris apex with a new container to boop apophis? Or is it technically impossible? Well, nothing's impossible. It's just depending upon how much money you got um I think that probably probably would have had to have already launched Yes, yeah, that would have had to have launched in rendezvous with osiris apex Um to pull that off Unfortunately, so yes, um, but I mean, you know, nothing nothing says that we can't uh We we can't Get a new mission ready to go. It's just that, you know, you got to run through the process of everything with it. So Yeah I think unfortunately though if anything the reports from this previous week of anything to go, uh, It is no longer the james webspace telescope eating the budget. It's now mars sample return That's deciding to feast upon nasa's budget. So Uh, oh boy. Here we go again, uh with a with a With a project having its schedule and its budget run out of control. So did we forget how to do that? So, I don't know. So, uh, but anyways, we got the government forgot the government forgot how to budget anyway So it doesn't matter. Yeah, I was going to say, uh The we we came pretty close, uh to having to shut down of nasa Uh along with the federal government here in the united states Our annual tradition of shutting down the government. Yeah, or nearly shutting it down should we say, um But yeah, uh, we came pretty close to it nasa There would have been a lot of nasa that would have shuttered. Um, but I can all but I also do know that psyche was declared a exception to that and the work on that would have continued as was planned Because unfortunately launch windows don't care what's going on here on earth. So turns out Uh, physics doesn't care what's going on inside of the capital. So physics will do what physics wants to do Yep, that's very very true. Uh, so that's uh So it goes this way it is for us. All right. Uh, so anyone else got anything with that there Because that's it for me for this week. 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