 Hello everybody if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly Joining me as always My own personal ever chosen apparently it's Tom. What's up, buddy? Hello friends for some reason I ever choose to be on this podcast with you or YouTube show or whatever the heck Raising questions that I might be caught in some form of madness anyways also joining us this week We're glad to have them both back on the show. It's the re-rolling ones crew with shoe and Jack. How are you doing? Should I say Jack and shoe would that be better is that however you want to do it. I'm basically his J for this one So today we're gonna be talking about wrath of the ever-chosen This guy right here And I'm real excited about this I like this book quite a bit and I hope it Is a herald of many things to come huh chaos heralds. We all get right These are the jokes folks. All right, so at any rate We're we're gonna we're gonna deep dive into that but of course the normal stuff first Tom. What do you got? What do we got for news? It's a quiet week Rumor engine it's up on the screen It's a demon face thing made of metal Okay, and you can tell it's metal because you can at like it's painted metal And you can tell metal paint because of the the thickness of it because they use GW bad GW metal paint Indeed, I mean the question is is it a shield? It has certainly the little in cuts down to the side next to the teeth It looks as the in cuts of of a big piece of armor It could also be the front piece of an armor like a chess piece like I think about I know that it's not this but Bellacor had this like demon like face on the front of his armor And it was similar to that likewise we've had shields from like the chaos nights that have similar demon faces Oh, yeah, sure. So so this is from You guys aren't particularly old hammer right like I don't know I mean you're really playing since 1997 Okay, okay, so it seems like this seems like a re like a rehash of something we see before like A dress plate or a belly piece or something that like a chaos dwarf or something else like that. Oh, wow Are you taking a big chaos dwarf swing here? Is that what you're doing? Yes, mr. President interpreting this is a chaos of dwarf my vote is to chaos work Wow Wow I just I don't know like if Brent were here we tell you it's like. Oh, yeah, that's a lot more sees but Yeah, okay, I'll see yeah, I'm all yeah, sure the question is what exactly what leaving chaos release don't we have yet, right? How about more more? How about more slaves to darkness stuff or maybe a slave to darkness war cry war band? No, I'm gonna make the call I'm ready It's a new demon prince kit that's gonna come out with a 40k release Okay, I like that That is true. It could sneak out in you could sneak out a new demon prince in multiple ways, right? Because that one kid is cross-platform You guys will have to scoot together There you go as we're joined by my breath is joining us as well. What's going on, buddy? Now we got the whole crew. They're all here All right, it's a package deal and we we couldn't be happier We always love it when the whole crew's in there although we got to get a wider angle lens We're gonna get I'm gonna send you guys like a fish angle lens so I can just be like really We could probably solve this here now now we need to get new technology It's more fun that way plus you'd all look really weird through like that weird fish eye lens where it just be like All the extra work distorted. Yeah, exactly. I'll double up on this. We'll do a top down Well, I'll be on the bed next time Yeah, well, yeah, that's true. We'll have to buy something for that shot also and we'll call the show pillow talk That's good Yeah, uh, so to close out the rumor engine. I I agree With carter in the comments It's giant armor. I'm I'm saying this is just more armor for my my sons of behemoth Like let's do it. Let's get some let's get these giants rocking Can we just get these lizard men out and released so I can start hearing about my giants? Okay, can we just get this release over with it's all that stands between me and my giants Like teasers probably I mean we have uh those uh lizard men teasers in the neck the serif on teasers Probably so next two weeks ish. Maybe What do you think? Yes, next two weeks for serif on is my guess because we we had the like come visit the hammer haul herald joke today Which you which always happens like within two weeks Gentlemen, how do you feel about two weeks for for for lizard men serif on slawn? Oh, I would love that Like that's my that's been my uh, you know I think I've been looking forward to the most because not just because my brother plays it But uh, it will kind of kind of complete the chapter of all the armies that have gotten books And uh, I actually predicted that to be out sooner But I was wrong and uh happens a lot Yeah, it feels like either it's going to be say announced to go on pre-order this sunday or next sunday And then meaning it would actually go on pre-order the week after that Meaning it would actually come out like the first week of march when you trace that all out, right? Like so it's it's shocking how quickly these weeks go by Uh, but yes, which means that'll basically be the last big thing before adept gone That we will see the rest of the elves at adept gone Did we mention how disappointed we'd all be if that face in the rumor engine is for 40k orcs? Yeah We always every rumor engine is always for us as we know every time there's no They don't they don't rumor engine 40k releases as near as I can tell it just doesn't happen. So that's never never happens. Yep Absolutely Uh, all right. So I think that's all the news except for the thing that I wanted to talk about real quick All right, uh, so just my last news reminding everybody who's watching Uh, my classes are up for teaching the week after war hammer fest in dark sphere in london. So that's May 8th 9th 10th and 11th to separate two-day classes It's an awesome space lots of room. We have a whole back room of it dedicated to just us It's in a real nice location It's very quiet. It's great. I don't have to yell over other people playing tournaments and stuff, which is nice Uh, and it was great last year really excited to be Going there again, uh, as well my class in michigan in june is up So you can find all of those Down in the link in the below in the description. So check it out If you're gonna be anywhere near london there and that's a holiday weekend in the uk as well that friday is a holiday So hope to see many of you there Uh, okay That's it. That's all the news. It's a quiet week gentlemen Let's talk pick of the week We the whole crew you can all you can break it up individually. You can all do one whatever you want to do We're gonna each do one. All right. I'm ready Hold on. I got my paper All of you collectively we had one Oh, you can you can co-sign on mine. All right. I'll cost on you I'm ready Okay, for those of you who uh, don't have time to read the wrath of the ever chosen book, which is I suggest you do Doug from two plus tough did a fantastic job over the past week and a half. I would say Breaking down the lore and uh, Doug's only special way he does and that's my pick of the week because I've uh, I listened to it a couple times so I can be Sure exactly what happened and uh, yeah, and so yeah If you don't have time to read if you want to put it on the background while you're painting I know kind of it feels like hey, it's a cheap plug But he's our boy and uh, I wouldn't be into this hobby as much as I am without Doug and he's a great guy So two plus tough. Go check out his wrath of the ever-chosen Videos I was gonna pick that one too as well because just briefly want to mention there's some parts of the book that Didn't come alive for me as much as they did in Doug's lore video It kind of goes like both ways, but there's a few things like reading through the book and I was like, oh Well, like I didn't pay that much attention to it the first time But then when Doug talked about it in a certain way that was like Okay, now now I'm more excited about this. Do you have an example? Do you have do you have a little little teaser a little thing that really? Okay, I mean, so are we going into We're going to talk some narrative. Well, we'll stay away from any two big spoilers We'll do we'll do the full spoilers later The one we did in our It was just when the chaos warrior zombies are coming through the end gate for the first time Doug really ramped that up as I think that they intended it to be that it's this rising tension that You know the the zombies are coming through or something's coming through the gate The zombies start coming through and the chaos warriors and rotters are laughing at them as they're just like, oh, you know the a bunch of Crappy undead are coming through the gate. This is nothing for us to worry about but then More of them start to come through and the situation starts to get worse and worse Just the way he framed that in his video Got me really excited more so maybe then the text in the book did your plus in the book There's not a point where somebody goes. Oh lord. He coming And that's he does that in the video. So that's the uh, the spice that we need. Yeah Nice, I hope gw is watching that one because uh, take it to add that one Yeah, that's well, I think that's exactly the voice that catechorus would speak Yeah, nice from for me. I do have a little shout. I want to do uh, there's a Small battle report channel. It's just getting started. They're called partners at war They're super close to a thousand subs and I'm hoping your warhammer weekly army can go help them out Just to get them across that line They have some pretty good quality in their battle reports. The tactics are are impressive and they have a good dynamic So, uh, I think they're they're a family channel Partners, obviously, so check them out. Nice very solid picks all the way around. Love it I met him at lvo great people. So I I coast on to that. Nice. Oh, that's awesome. Are they from so they're from out They're from like out west somewhere or You ran into them lvo so they could be from anywhere. It's like killing a mystic in dark crystal. Who knows Fair enough tom, what do you got buddy? um cubicle seven release some stuff more stuff on the aos rpg that's going to be dropping in this next year and I'm interested Like the the most recent stuff was all Uh mechanics related so it was articles on Combat and then refresher articles on how they do like skill checks and tests and stuff like that And coming from an rpg background and having done some like help out with some designs with rpg stuff It was just a real fascinating set of reads. Um, and so it got me super hyped to to play some witch elves Our to rp a witch elf, uh, yeah Nice Yeah I will I will link that Just the bar kills everybody Everybody What the death hat or not the death hag the Yeah, the hag queens are some of the playable characters Um, so like that's some of the classes that they've they've announced Um, so that's uh, I'm super stoked like I I'm excited to see what they do with it Yeah, somebody who does I've played dnd once or twice and uh, it's always interesting to me, but I'm really interested to dive in uh to this You know, it's a setting I really enjoy and I'd like to play a skink. So So so tom, I mean, I know you you're a an rp guy. So if we managed to Uh put together a regular session, would you want to join? I mean, maybe It's shocking to me that that dug is not a regular dnd player speaking out like it's just We had this conversation with him last time you know the show Well, if you did play dnd you don't want to be for like three months and you move on to another Yeah, he's always character Yeah, starting a new character He'll be playing mech warrior after that. Then he'll be doing riffs. He'll be on a vampire the next month. Yeah Well, I I thank you for the invitation and uh, you know hit me message. We'll see There you go You that means you'll end up playing more games You can't distract him from writing the game He's supposed to be writing for us for this summer to bring his epic seven year Marathon game. He's running to a conclusion that we fit multiple other people's trilogies In the time period since then I haven't committed anything. Yeah You you're committed. It's Business you guys are you got to protect your time. I get it Uh, all right. So for my pick, uh, I'm gonna go for given that we're gonna be talking about wrath of the ever chosen You might want a little refresh on slaves to darkness Which obviously underpins a fair amount of what we're gonna talk about tonight, but not all of it And why look here there just happens to be a fantastic slaves to darkness deep dive that happened recently Over on aos coach's channel. So go check out the coach. He has a really nice as usual. What he does is very focused on Exploring the faction really understanding it Uh, understanding in what situations things can be fun can be useful can be valuable and so on and so forth So, uh, I'll link that down below. Go check it out. It's uh, it's a nice Long video as coach often does when he deep dives. He means it. So you you can really get the full breakdown in the book Uh, okay So gentlemen, let's talk about some hobby time. So what is what is the re-rolling one's crew? Hobbying on right now. What what are each of you working on? Uh, I'll go first. I am uh, so I have a gt this weekend And of course, I uh, you know, it's weird when you transition from uh, uh army You have fully painted and uh going to a new gt where there's painting requirements but you don't want to take your old army and I'm I have the conundrum do I cram and Have a product that i'm not happy with Or do I try to get what the bare minimum is which is three colors and based Uh, but they're not all the way done And so i'm going with that so I can play with them play my guys But I really want to take my time with this army So I'm proud of it and you know, man not maybe not win a uh best painting But you know, I'm in the running and I have something I'm proud of so I have uh that conundrum And I'm just right now getting that bare minimum so they don't pull my models off the table before I start That's what I'm working on. So is he painting the night herald or like below the camera right now? No judgment, no judgment Uh, that's fine. Yeah, I mean my answer is just get it to where you need to go to and then you know What you want to do? You boys are rolling out to adepticon. So that needs to be your target right because this is a local two-day gt for this weekend, right? Yeah, yeah, that's fine. That's that's you're okay. You show up. You got what you got But when you when you go to the big show, you know, you got to put on your sunday best. That's all i'm saying So I would like to give a shout out to andrew eddles who ran this gd This is the second year and the first year we had about 20 people and uh this year He worked really hard and we sold out so uh, thanks to him. He's working really hard He's like my local war hammer hero. So he's a great guy. That's awesome. Shue. What about yourself? Oh goodness. Um, so I just uh Made my adepticon army complete basically I just wrapped up the last unit needed to be in there and then a wizard that needed to go in there They're both on my instagram if you follow, um The yeah, the big thing is 2020 is my my road to retirement. I want to retire from mini painting I'll be all of this stuff. So you all can say you know it Um But uh trying to go out at the top is that what it is trying to go out at the top? Just paint the things on my backlog and be done. Um Yeah, so so it's 10 fenix fenix guard fenix temple guard fenix guard fenix guard And they're without a temple guard. That's those are lizard guys and uh, then uh, a wizard Yeah, so I made a sorceress into the grand verbena of my life army. So She'll be at adepticon Look in a little chaosy nice Nice dig it dig it All right, Brent. How about yourself? Have you finished an army since we last chatted? Have you finished a model since we last chatted? Uh, the answer is no The the ticking the ticking uh, the countdown is here. So I have committed to doing night haunt, which I at least had some of Painted in a skirmish campaign that was that we did on the channel a long time That was maybe not as well received as some of other content, but that's okay I have committed to finishing a thousand points of that. So that means the black coach is currently on My my painting table and you know, there was lots of other recent Diversions of a campaign that we want to do. So I've been painting Or I I uh green stuffed and primed to lamassu. I've converted a night in cantor So kind of jumping around but no the next month will just be finishing the night haunt for adepticon Nice. Well, they're a joy to paint like man I love paint my night haunt and like it's it's made me sad that I haven't Been able to fit more into my schedule because like what would have been painted would have been my night haunt and they're just They're gorgeous Yeah, they're a lot of fun and starting on the black coach too It's uh, it's not as intimidating as I thought it would be because it just started to be like I'm just gonna paint wood brown and that already feels like I got a lot done. So Nice Yeah, do a mourn goal next. You're like 600 into some points into your whole army. You're rock All right, uh tom what about yourself? What are you working on man? Uh fire slayers still still going I just like the problem is is that there's just like I I went with the most complex theme possible And like I'm not missing any of the detail So like I have multiple colors of metal and the consequence of that is that like there's just like they look like very simple models And I have found a way to make them not simple But it's fine. It is what it is. Uh, I still have a little bit like I need to finish these 40 Earth guard that I've been detailing for the last two months And then once that gets done, um, I I have a couple more odds and in models that I need to paint for adept con Which I'm not looking forward to but they just have to get done And then even today I I cracked open some kits with my kids and That's some of their stuff even from christmas. Uh, it's been a long road Obviously since christmas, but we're finally getting to sit down and we're you know Cutting some sprues and and glue in a maw crusher and um a tree lord agent together today So And now is that their stuff or is this like just labor for you? No, no, that's theirs. No, that's all their stuff. So they they were some of their christmas gifts and My son was working on a he's a very timmy ish In his play style and so it went from wanting a star drake Which he's enjoyed in the storm cast and now he's been playing iron jaws and he wants a maw crusher Obviously, well natural Would you probably he's clearly a man of refined taste I can't get my kids interested in age a signal at all They think I have a youtube channel, but they don't I mean like my daughter loves to paint and so like that's why we moved like she started with like some elves And so I moved her in like we were talking about different stuff And so she's doing living city which has allowed us to do some silvaneth which will be easier painting You know he's just wood and you know like contrast does that kind of stuff really well Um, and then I mean they're nine again, uh, and then my son is doing iron jaws because He likes hitting things and so they've been really easy to paint He's done some pretty pretty good work given the fact that he hates painting. So oh nice We'll get he'll get there. He'll get there. You gotta you gotta instill that love in him Um, that's what you gotta do right? He he likes punching things which I can respect like I do Like uh, he likes a good a good punch up. So Um, and he's gonna get it with that maw crusher. Cool. So awesome Uh, as for myself, uh, I finished up obviously the lord on karkadrak over the weekend shared him out That was a fun model to paint. He's now over there as that force continues to grow I finished up my, uh, celestine prime conversion For, uh, whirlwind's edge for my tempest eye successor city It's not the celestine prime you know or love. It's a very different celestine prime He's over there in the case now And I'll I'll post him up at some point probably this weekend whenever I have a chance Uh, and then I says I'm leaving for, uh, holy wars this weekend I was getting a couple things ready. So I was working on Uh, an elf here this little this was this is like a it was the sorceress I also converted a sorceress although into a more standard elf Uh, and that she has like a sword arm now and she'll be For a competition and I was a I did a little video out of her for her skin tone She has a very pale skin tone And then really what I've been working on is I wanted to do something a little more a little different I've been thirsting for a non gaming project. So I'm working on a bust here of a vampire lady Who's licking her lips? As she's enjoying a fine fine taste of someone's blood. So there you go Oh cool It's uh, it's holy wars the one where you guys sat on the same table the whole time with your daughter as it came No, that was holy havoc. It's same same too. He runs two tournaments a year This is the single player tournament. Yeah That story traumatized jack and you didn't even play there. Sure. I play I play a shooting army. I'm like that would be so fun Come join us on the table where we got like plus six attacks per model and then charged across and hit you turn one and exploded your entire army with Hordes of buffed witch elves. You're saying that wouldn't be fun for you I mean, let's be clear Uh, you got to pick your opponents. Sure. Yeah. Yeah So like nobody nobody was ever forced to play us. Well, one person would be Um, and so I mean It like it happened once And they changed rules because of you guys I get you I get you Basically, yes I mean tom charged some plague monks in that game He had a you know a standard 30 pack of witch elves. He only got any charges 40 Grip of plague monks and because the negatives to charge he only got six in He got six witch elves into 40 plague monks and he still over killed the unit by eight wounds That's the number of bonus attacks we were dealing with everybody else had seven attacks And I had mind razor. I mean, come on. I'm doing two damage ahead. I have mind razor I don't like I don't know if that's a timmy or it's a palpatine Yeah, that's pretty awful Yeah Pretty dirty So vince you mentioned the the was the carcass track that you that you shared I was looking at that and and then you said you did a celestial prime And that basically broke my brain because when I'm working on projects and I as a fan of your channel I haven't seen you talk about this yet. So maybe you have me having to do a lot of content But um, I haven't seen you talk about your method for planning what projects you're going to do and when you do Um, my project managed the heck out of myself to get stuff done. Um So, I don't know if you have something similar you do. Maybe that's that's a video request. Take that as a request Sure I don't know that I'm going to be super helpful because I mean I can I can sum up my strategy like this Uh paint three or four hours a day every day and then paint 16 hours plus on the weekend days And sleep less don't have a social life. Don't have kids Don't do anything else and then just keep painting You'd be amazed how much you can get done and like how do I what what do I decide to do for the next project? Whatever I just like I that's the lowest point for me is in between That's the period of on we because like I finished that that That uh sell us at prime and then I have to like I clump around my my office and I'm like I don't really feel like doing 10 chaos nights I don't know. What do I want to do? What do I want to do? And so like then I that's that's the time So I'll spend a couple hours hemming and hauling over that once I'm into the project. It's just you just go Just do it. Yeah The answer is is that he keeps at least two projects going simultaneously At all at all points in time and so that he can move between the two of them based on where he's at If there's drying time if there's because he's working so continuously You're keeping generally what two projects spends three projects never more than two. It's always two Because you never do more than two projects Well, what about what about you tom? Do you project minister yourself? I mean we you and I both have 20 kids. So yeah, we do like so for myself I um Normally I like I let events drive my deadlines like that's a big part of it Like I I intentionally schedule events and I paint towards events So like my actual painting schedule for a year Is often I whatever army I'm going to do for the year. I'll start at um Like at the general's handbook in the summer and I'll get a thousand points done by uh, holy havoc or 1500 Points done by holy havoc so that I can take it as a team of it and then I'm 1500 points into uh, my my uh events that I the multiple events that I'll do in the spring going into the next summer And I'll play that like that to two to four k of points through the rest of the year and then start again The next summer. Um, and so I generally try to stay locked in on one project This year has been a very abnormal year for me Because I did night haunt Um, and then what ended up happening is in the midst of doing night haunt Uh, I had already locked into night haunt in a fire slayer book releases leading into that And then it gets an advantageous point adjustment, you know like over that ghp And then that fall and then in the fall city to sigmar drops And so suddenly I and then now kao have dropped so now I have like four viable armies going into my spring With only some needing to be painted and so I've been actually Project hopping pretty terribly. Um as I've kind of moved around what I wanted to do like I have like 40 half painted uh, uh tempest I like Uh dispossessed that I've shelved and put off to the side and now I'm back on fire slayers Trying to get to get that done and I've basically completely set aside all night haunt until I get all of this done You know, so like I've just been moving around quite a bit and so I have terrible project ad right now where I have a bunch of half Half finished things. Um, it sounds like you are keeping yourself excited with Things uh, you always have something cool in the wings, right? So yeah, I mean like I don't paint anything that I'm not passionate about And so like that's one of the things that like vince vince really like got me into early is that like Most armies I don't Like I don't want to say this I I am not interested in painting something stock most of the time There always has to be a twist and it always has to be something very personal And it's that personal aspect is what actually drives the project of completion, right? If it's just something generic It's not interesting But because I know I'm contributing something original to the to the ecosystem of ideas I want to get my project done Like I want I want to get it out there in its totality. And so that's really what's driven Driven my kind of my my project like the impetus to push on Um, like night haunt was super boring and interesting to me until I took like the druci Um, like dark elf angle and did a bunch of weapon swaps and all that and suddenly it became really interesting Um, where it just wasn't just, you know, like stereotypical neon green cheat ghosts Like it it took on a kind of a truly a life of its own And so that became an interesting project to me And then my dwarves I just continued to return to them over the last like three years Because I've expanded them out to be like tempa sigh and ko and firesliders now And so and when I get done with like like when I get done with this and the other stuff That's in progress like and like I'm gonna have Like over 10 k of this army probably when I get Wow Like between my ko my firesliders all themed together similarly So I mean it'll be like I'm excited just because I want to do a big spread of everything that I have done When I get that done because it's going to be I think it'll be a pretty impressive site when I get that so Let me answer let me answer Doug's question in the comments which was Do I finish the two projects before picking up another two? No I usually just have one sitting there onto the side where if I'm hopeless and don't know what to do if I get stuck I can just go work on the other thing That's the answer and it'll sit there through multiple things So like I'm working in normal sprints You know remaining agile, but I have like at the same time I've got this other ongoing larger project that I can always just chip a few hours onto or something evergreens Exactly. Yep. That's right. Exactly. So, uh That's like that's the way that I and I cannot recommend that enough to be completely honest because Then if you get stuck if you're not sure what to do if you get bored if you have if you're just sick of painting like Oh my god, I've done so much of this stupid army And I'm going to bang my head against the desk if I have to paint 20 more of these morons Then you can just go over the other thing you're doing and just do that That's my biggest guard. They're all clearly it is their mouths are open, but they never speak Right. Oh, yeah, because they're all like Yeah They're all they're screaming Since you bought those Don't they not say anything Yeah Maybe yeah, they're all just they're all just breathing really they're all mouth breathers all elves It's like that It's like the nemardi icon bearer. It's like how do they know she's there? It's you know, it's a feeling they get uh echo location. They're for the I'm braver. Obviously there's somebody around. Yeah, I feel as though I'm bravery seven now. That's weird All right So, uh, yeah lots of fun stuff there Uh, so gentlemen, you ready to talk about wrath of the ever-chosen? Yes, sir Excellent. All right, so Let's save the narrative for the end so we can do a little spoilers At the end, okay Like I had originally put it in my in my agenda kind of first And then I realized that was bad because then people are watching live and might not want us to spoil it So so we'll we will discuss the narrative of the book But we'll save it for the end and then so we'll say spoilers at that point So for now, we're going to talk just the rule stuff to start no spoilers. You can stay with us. You're all good Okay, there you go By the way, if at any point you leave before you leave you should hit that like button That's just a thing you're supposed to say that in the middle then people do it So there you go. So hit that do that. All right uh, so gentlemen I am excited about this book. What what let's start at the top overall I want to get the your feedback from the three you what did you think of this at a high level? Especially like let's hone in on the rules part. What'd you think? Yes, coming this quickly way and I think as the coolest battle plan they've ever done Okay, no seriously. There are a bunch of new really cool. There are battle plans that match to every Like narrative battle that happens in here and some of them are really good. I agree What did this get uh, uh previewed at for the first time? Was it lvo or was it the one before because I feel like It's as the end of the year back in december Yeah, it was just like something like I remember hearing about and then all of a sudden it was upon us like Oh, yeah, that's coming out and I was very um I I like anything where it lets gives you a new way to uh use your army. Yep especially, uh, I don't know if go to wizard winners and losers, but A nergal they had a uh, they were like the beta version for 2.0 They got the book way back then and I feel that this really, uh, I wouldn't not going to say it moves them up to like a top tier army But this definitely gives you more ways to play in a uh, because they didn't have the storm host equivalent for their army Where this book actually gives a nergal players a few things where they can definitely You new way to play your army because I'm sure they might have been getting bored You know with affliction cysts and all this stuff and you just have the same force And now you get, you know your anvil guard anvils of the heldenhammer type ability, you know, right? I really uh, that's what my favorite thing about the book is good timing. All right, yeah Yeah, I agree with that. You mean my new army in two months uh new uh New realm as well So we like because we we have our we have our obviously our our realms where we can play in So we all know we can you can play an oxy and it has Command abilities and spells and a spell table. Oh, but look here now We can use the eight points and it has a fully functional Uh table Yeah, I love the one where uh, you decide that like the player. I know that one's so fun That's the one we used. I wanted to say uh, since now we're moving into the AOS second edition endgame, you know after serif on Everybody is placed in a battle tome that is at least Most recently updated that I think this book is a good introduction to like well, what type of material is going to come out Yeah, after all the battle tomes are out. So yeah, maybe some other ones that will be You know that we're like right before second edition that will be redone too But like the the front of the book, you know, it says soul wars wrath of the ever chosen I'm anticipating there being a series of supplementary Material and I think this is a good start for that Yeah, I mean we didn't see relegate wars and never seen soul wars. I like how they're moving the chapters forward and And uh, I yeah, I'm also hoping to see more Uh, totally agree. I think so let me dive in on that real quick because yes, I agree with you brent completely I think this is like this is one of the Uh markers of content that we're going to see going forward, right? But But Here's my question How many of these can we withstand a year before it's bloaty and too much like this is a great one If you're a fan of like true chaos, that is to say the four chaos gods. Sorry beastman. Sorry scaven. You get nothing Get out of here. Get out of here Uh, chaos dwarves you get a passing mention in one of the in one of the stories That's what you get you get passingly mentioned and then slaughtered That's that's your place in this One is your answer One you think one a year You get one of these narrative books a year. Wow, okay I don't know man because like they opened with those four fantastic rungate war books I mean Holy moly if they did something to that quality that level every single time I mean, I know that was a product launch thing, but They're amazing. They still sit as like some of the my more favorite. It's like it sucks that nobody played back then We're really quality, but it's yeah, like lost in the trash heap of first edition aos I mean you have malign portons Yes, uh before malign portons you had the firestorm box And then you had malign portons And then you have this what we have are you counting for bitter power in there? Uh, I mean, there wasn't a story there like if you went and I mean, but the where there there weren't playable match play like there weren't playable This and Oh But it wasn't but it wasn't of it. Let me say it this way it wasn't of the Of even like the content of this book. No, I mean, it's not on the same level. I agree But still I think you just forgot about dray and you shouldn't do that. You're just trying to be right Like how can I be right? Hold on? I I do agree with you that classically these have been one a year. I think you're right. History says we get one of these a year, right? Yeah, but that was a midst where we still had a lot of battle tomes to put out So, I don't think you can do more than two. Let me say that I'm gonna put a I'm like I'll put a All right, you flag plan on two Yeah, how many a year can you withstand? Uh of these because you also have to remember we're getting uh ghp's every year too. Sure. Sure. Absolutely I think uh one I'm on the opposite I love the narrative and the the battle plans and the goofy stuff that's in there Dueled and like give me an ocean of these narrative books and I will get my surfboard out and ride gleefully Um, that's yeah, correct. I'm up. You might have to paint new models though. It's okay In this case, they're way more likely to deprecate war scrolls of things I love than they are to release stuff That's sure. Sure All right, so They would release a year Yeah, vince, maybe this is what you're kind of getting at too is If there's two like when we were gonna talk about the rules later some commentary I was gonna add is sort of my caution about adding Rules that maybe a lot of people want to use in supplementary material Because so like legion of grief is a good example of like if more people Competitively are more interested in playing legion of grief. It's like oh, well, you also have to have the forbidden power book on top of Book and that to me starts to get kind of overwhelming. I don't think this book has that problem, but yeah, if there are You know three of these a year whatever I could see that happening Do we have an indicator from 40ks a more mature title about how they would handle handle like that's right now That's a mess. Yeah. Well, I mean they do I mean the battle time equivalent is a codex, right? So they do Those codex is as patches to the game, right? They all bring something new to the whole game Basically. Yeah, sure. I mean like it's focused. There's particular armies like right now We're about to do like in the psychic awakening thing I think I don't know remember exactly where they are But maybe they're about to do necrons and I'm yes, I'm gonna say necrons necrons and Well, we're going to talk about but like when we get to that narrative, it's going to be a bone daddy-a-thon brother Is that it? Uh, but at any rate like yeah, sure. So they you know they point as they focus on individual forces It's all one massive overarching narrative event, right? um and I you know I don't know that I love that method in 40k I like them better like this where it feels like each thing is is a coherent story Like the beginning and end of this story is Effectively here in this book and something in the world did change Like we can do a part two to this but this is a coherent story with a beginning middle and end Right, it's not like it's not an ongoing television show where it's like previously on and then you know next week on the The necrons enter the fight, right? um You're not committed to that like if you're not into that story, then you don't have to Suffer through that through the next book like the realm gate wars was like, well if you're not into storm cast eternals We got five books of storm cast eternal Everybody get into it. I'm hitting storm cast eternal hitting things Yeah If you don't care about these factions of this fight, then yeah Next book will probably be something different. Yeah, I don't know it wrong gate wars brought us tourglog And it brought us some great stories from the clock in and the guy who went to the realm gated in the play garden garden and was Oh, for sure one day we will play every Every realm gate wars book. We have to but yeah Yeah, I I want to art artists artists sure my line would be two of these a year I think two of these year would be awesome like one is an earlier release and one is a sort of later year release Let's call it like You actually see like events to your credit like if you look at our our schedule like last year was anomaly in general We have a flurry of release activity leading up to summer And then often we have a flurry of release activity from like september on yes, because they know when people buy things Sure. Sure. And that's fine. Yeah. Well, what I'm saying is they could lead With like one of these Um campaigns. Yeah. Yep Um in each of those quarters Yeah, you know like in september january and september and then that could set the tone for the releases for that for that For that flurry of activity. Yeah, absolutely. Um, that's why I think two is right because then it doesn't get too oppressive Yeah, and also I would love to see An index somewhere like this is it. Here's it. Here's a feature request for like Scroll builder or something or just a place on the gw website where you can literally just see Source references to where everything's from like, oh, I want to play legion of grief. Where can I find that? Oh, it's forbidden power page this and that's it. That's all I need Right. It just tells me this is what I want to go get Right because as time goes on and this stuff isn't going to rotate out anytime soon Like legion of grief will be a thing in two years from now Who remembers it was in forbidden power? Tom didn't remember right now Right. He talks about this every week It's fine In bringie dingy's from we you know that book a bunch of stuff the bringie dingy. Absolutely. That's not a thing That doesn't exist. All right, so but I agree on the whole I think this book is really good I actually am really really really happy with this book There's a couple of just like obvious little rules Piccadillos that need to get fixed in the FAQ, but like even then they're not The dumbest of dumb things um But for the most part I was super excited about all these because they actually hit This felt like yep. This is how sub factions should be Right. Did you get that feeling reading it where I just read it and I was like, yeah All these feel interesting, but almost none of them are like way up here or way down here Mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah They really hit a point with these Yeah, it's like if you read if you're going through like the lore first and then Like if that's your introduction and then finding like how How they're represented with the sub faction abilities like I thought that was cool Like I didn't I didn't read about the flade like the sub faction abilities like But before I had read in the lore about like the the bone reapers battling the flade and Yeah, I feel like there's a good synergy there trying to represent like well What do you have through these for this faction narratively and then what kind of rules do you give them to match? Yeah, yeah, I agree. So and and it's just like it it shocks me when I look at this is a lot of new Sub factions slash allegiance as they introduced and the fact that we nailed Basically all these and I thought there are a couple that I'm like mad probably never play that or that isn't really interesting to me But for the most part I was like, oh, that's kind of cool. Yeah, I could see play in that That's kind of cool. I could see play in that, you know I just I do I can't shake the feeling that some people are just super match play gamers and they get in there like I wouldn't play this wouldn't play this and play this this one's okay Wouldn't play this wouldn't play this wouldn't play this like it's I'll leave it to rerolling ones to fill those You got to realize that's like match play and uh competitive players are like You know, it's the vocal minority, you know, you hear like we're in like especially I went to a lot of tournaments I'm in the bubble and you realize most people You know, they don't really play super competitive. They listen to it Or they'll be like, oh, I you know, but it's like not everybody needs to play You know lackless and stuff like that some people just want to have I'm not saying that's not fun. Yeah, but you can you can play all types. It's all good We play the game the way that you find compelling with a group of people who agree with you and you will have a good time It's that easy. Does that mean you think five blood thirsters is fun? Yeah, it was a lot of fun Well, we'll talk about five blood thirsters. That's for sure So what I'll say is that I don't think that like when I looked over the actual abilities Um, I didn't feel like any of it was broken. Yeah, there's I want to put a pin on like one thing that just needs like an obvious FAQ But other than that, I I agree with you Tom. I agree. Yeah, like I looked and I'm like, okay, that's a need ability Yeah, that could be fun. I'm glad Nergal got this, you know, like as I was reading through and I'm just like, oh, yeah Like, okay, that's fine. Like I could see some lists where I might take that But in general like maybe not, you know, like and that's okay Like none of them fell over the top. None of them felt necessary. None of them felt just, you know, felt Yeah, honestly, the biggest detriment to choosing some of these is that there are You know, really potent bent-ish ones in the source books Right that they're competing against and you're like, oh, well, this one's actually pretty good It's just I'm not sure I would take it over like reapers of vengeance or something, right? Like that's the corn one is every corn thing is getting held up against reapers of vengeance or whatever So, uh, and and that's a shame But at any rate, uh, I also just want to give a shout out to the Wandering endless spells and and roaming monsters as both of those are very fun I'm not going to go into great detail on them But they are super cool in the way of how many it can spit out like quite a lot actually Yeah It's like the when they say roaming or wandering endless spells. They're not joking You can end up with quite a few of those, especially if you yourself are making them too Uh, and the siege warfare rules are actually really nice fully expanded out siege warfare with additional abilities for all the different armies in the game based on whether you're the attacker or defender All of which are very like in flavor um So I was so pumped by those siege rules that we went out and bought a mighty fortress set. Yeah But like the the originals are mighty fortress the channel Can I say that the charts for Uh, the wandering monsters and the endless spells, you know that you're like rolling a d6 to see what they do has got me excited for the possibility of Sons of behemoth also having charts where you just roll to see what they do Bring back giant charts. That does not make that does not make me excited Brent. I'm going to vigorously disagree. I would like to pilot my giants. Thank you I mean like Like in in war here fancy when you you would roll and you'd see what goofy thing they do. We don't like that No, no, no, I I did not like that because You're not a real timmy. That's the problem I think have your giant but there should also be another one on the table that's not not aligned timmy's giant Yeah, timmy's like the dice giant is just too drunk to be parked for you Now here's what I'll say if you can give me like an option. I'm in for that. That's fun sometimes, right? If it's like, oh, you can attack with the club all the time You can just choose to do that and it does like You know four attacks at blah blah blah and this and that and x damage and you can always choose to do it or You can choose to roll on the crazy giant table Where he might do any of these five things and some are worse than the club and some are better than the club Okay, now we've hit it. Yes. That's fantastic. Great because now No matter what both people can get kind of the way that they want to experience it out of it, right? Because nothing was worse with that old giant table Then like crashing your giant into unit. He could legitimately Like he would destroy that unit and then you would just roll like the yelling ball or whatever and like, okay He wins by two and it doesn't matter because they're basically on bravery 10 Rerolling and and there it is. Okay. Yay. Nobody goes anywhere wonderful Well, that was fun. I killed nobody with my giant monster. Great Well, at least these charts if we don't get something like that then I'll at least feel satisfied with having something like this Right. So I love things like that when they're sort of the way that staven were redesigned is the right way to go Right where like it's not like every time you fire the gun you have to be risking a malfunction You can fire the gun and get a normal effect all the time or you can choose to do the crazy thing But then you risk, right? That's the way I would want to see a design. I'm down for that That's all in a plus great design right there. Yeah, and it's almost never not worth it to take the risk Especially on rats, which is the right way to play Yeah, I will agree and and it's funny too because in that situation, you're right. I do almost always just go no I I just like yep. This thing's always like that. It's always shooting 46 shots. It's always whatever. Yeah And it's never worth it. But you know, it's okay. Sure Uh, you mentioned the battle plans. I agree. They're all actually fun narrative solid good interesting setups, too Um, I like the the battle of uh, uh, herot I don't know how you say it her odds Herada I don't know the battle of herada's torment the one with like the huge area of impassable terrain Along both sides of the board because it's meant to be the the funnel Right where they're they're catching them in the in the sort of hot gates There on the edge of the cliff That was these like green zones. Yeah, there's to be either like you can't Move in there or only if you fly That's kind of cool. Which one's the doing one the the trade of the eight points Eight of the eight points. Yeah, that's battle plan ever. Sure. Sure I I would love to see that impassable terrain concept get it passed into like a match play battle plan In some way not maybe that amount of space. That's quite a lot of the board But uh, but in some way like where it reshapes the board. I think that's a cool concept I'd love to see that show up in some kind of match play plan in 2020 Yeah It's especially if you could uh work in somehow a mechanic where you switch sides to finalize the game Could be interesting. Oh, sure. Like where you're both trying to get to the other side very aggressively. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, you're sure All right, so gentlemen, let's get into the individual Uh, the individual things shall we? Like the individual allegiances as it says Allegiance I a legia Allegiances we'll keep it simple. All right So there are two Like broad based allegiances That is to say that are just true allegiances And then there are a whole bunch of chambers So let's start with just the full-scale allegiances So first one obviously is the one we all heard about you see them in the in the story quite a bit there at the very end Which is the legion of chaos ascendant When you are choosing a chaos army you can decide if it's a legion of chaos ascendant And has the legion of chaos ascendant allegiance instead of any other allegiance If you do all units in your army gain the chaos ascendant keyword Uh, please note that this army can only include units that have the chaos demon keyword So only chaos demons obviously the the main demons we all think of no issue That's simple like your your plague bearers and your bloodletters and that kind of stuff But then also you could still sneak in things like Archeon right What's that? Yeah, a harbinger So he's like I count The uh lord on the cast lord on demonic mounts. He's another one who still has that keyword so he he can sneak on in there His word Oh, it's a verbal lord Uh, yeah, sure sure sure absolutely Uh, all right, so uh, this one's actually I I find this one Very interesting because it's meant to be a catch-all That you can run any of the armies in without using their normal sort of allegiance ability So let's let's talk it through right So infernal realm walkers you can roll a die each time you allocate a wound or mortal wound to a friendly chaos Ascendant demon unit on a six plus that wound or mortal wound is negated. Okay, simple enough So the whole army gains your six up shrug. It's nice. You don't need a hero near you or anything like a lot of death armies do It's just table wide everybody gets absolutely and if you're all if you've already got one that obviously stacks So say you are you do happen to be nergal demons Then you have normally a five up now. You've got a five up six up, right? So, okay Cool beans Unyielding legions at the end of your movement phase you pick one friendly hero chaos ascended the human hero Uh and roll 3d6 on a 10 plus you can summon one of the following units to the battlefield and add it to your army Uh, if you pick a corn hero, you get 10 blood letters nergal 10 plaguebearers slanesh 10 daemonettes You get the idea And zinch 10 horrors of zinch. Of course you do Of course you do, uh They they couldn't just say blue horrors, you know and make our lives better, but no, that's fine All right The summon unit must be set up wholly within 12 inches of that hero and more than nine entrance recommended units So pretty standard sort of summoning mechanic Uh, and if the unmodified rule includes doubles you take a wound and if it's a triple you take d3 Who cares? And that's basically your rule. So you have a little free summoning mechanic an army wide shrug Uh, it's interesting because you can only summon once a turn that's we're basically replacing any of your other army summoning Right so like because you're not taking the corn allegiance when you do this you're taking this allegiance So instead of using your blood tithe and all of that you get this um Yeah, pretty interesting stuff uh I There's obviously there are command traits artifacts and spells for this as well And I actually think there's some good stuff going on here I'm gonna I'm gonna call out a couple here for us to just kind of talk through and then we can talk about what we think At the legion of cast to send it in general so One you can have a command trait that lets you add one to the roll for your 3d6 roll So basically so the average on 3d6 is 10.5 So you have you know a little better than 50 chance to pull that number plus one actually makes it a pretty big shift But ruinous aura add one to the rolls for infernal realm walkers battle traits Made for friendly cast demon cast ascendant demons wholly within eight inches of the general So you turn everybody around the general including the general into a five up So now your nergal dudes are five up five up Pretty pretty good pretty solid Uh You have an artifact that just lets you reroll all saves for the bearer Which I think is pretty solid as well as a weapon artifact that any unmodified five up just becomes d3 mortal wounds so you got a little mini but but easier to hit sort of judgment And uh You have a spell that gives you a fight after death like you've got uh death frenzy basically You can pick a cast senate demon unit and if they're if a model from that unit is slain They can attack before they're removed from play. So there you go So pretty cool stuff. Uh good options all around It's interesting uh the uh Foul fold uh blade It's uh, it's not in addition to so if you have a weapon that's like does Three damage base it might not uh Or you know, because it just does the mortal wound it doesn't do in addition to so if you have a really strong weapon It might not be worth it But mortal wounds are always nice Sure that being said, I'm not sure that like obviously a lot of people enjoy taking Like the sort of judgment on somebody like the um The vermin lord Nurgle guy with like 10 attacks, right? Uh, and and he could fit in this army. He is a chaos demon. Um It would be kind of interesting because now you've effectively got two Swords of judgment Yeah, true. Yeah, you could have two heroes armed like this give this to him He could be marching around there any five ups. You got another guy out there like plus this one isn't Oh, here are the heroes and monsters. It's just any time you attack if you get a five up It's deep straight d3 mortals boom Yeah And it's uh, it's not unmodified. So if you do have anything that gives you plus one attack It's the unmodified. Oh, it's been modified. Yeah, there's some five plus I I have to admit that my formative years were were requested on the realm of chaos of books the red and the green book and Really man does it bug me? I know they had me united in order to destroy the overall, but it really bothers me that There's not chaos animosity anymore Like no no corn and slanache don't march and chaos animosity is so old like I I don't even I didn't have those rules. Yeah, and I'm going back. This is like, oh, this is a good throwback to like Like when we could finally play all demons and six Yes out there in the audience somewhere Bernie Sanders is like, I remember that Is an avid watcher of the show, I'm sure No, I like this because it is if you if you have a bunch of the different chaos demons and you want to get that I agree with you Brent like in six seventh and eighth in that like a lot of that time period You would see people run these kind of mixed demon armies, right? Just relying on like basically like power pairs and units to do stuff This does let you achieve that and I actually like some of the synergy in here the fight after death is cool couple good artifacts and You know the the fact that you can get back your old demonic save Through this I think is super cool. I should also mention that there are four four new battalions For this because you can't run any of your old battalions, right? You cannot but you can run any of these four Okay, but if you run the four you're then going all in on one type because the four battalions are one per chaos god right But isn't this just the best way to run nergal demons? uh I don't know I but well when we get to the nergal sub allegiances later I are I think there's probably some better ways but that being said like You could you can put your nergal demons onto some pretty redonk saves because the Because as mentioned the harbinger can fit in here And because you can have your general broadcasting a five up around him. He just buffs mortals though That's true. That is true. He just has five ups only for mortals Around your general though, you'll be like five up five Like you you're functionally going to give the same bubble Because you take the trait that moves six up to five up And so you just don't spend command points and get the harbinger bubble permanently around your general, right? Yeah, this is this is the kind of thing where you'd bring what if you want like you want the uh demonet synergy It's for dice them up. You want a couple skull cannons And uh, you know lord of plagues or not a lord of plagues with the uh, you're going to clean one Yeah, this this is a Oh goody Kind of army If you play 40k and you have a demon army, you can come and play this Yeah, you said more. Yeah Uh, I I do want to uh, uh Talk for a moment about these battalions because they're kind of interesting They're all right here enlisted. There's one for each god as mentioned and they're all set up the same You need two to three chaos ascendant corn Daemon heroes or nergal daemon heroes So they're all two to three heroes and then the chaos gods number of chaos ascendant That type of unit bolded so like so like let's take the slanesh one because of course i'm going to pick this slanesh one Six chaos ascendant daemonet units, but daemonet is bolded Right, so anything that is a That has that daemonet Keyword you can you can slide on in here Right. Um, what excites me about that is this is the toughest This is the toughest slanesh army you can possibly make Like yes, you won't have your your locus And you won't have your your depravity and all that but you can have your five ups That's right. You can have slanesh units that have an after save Isn't that exciting but like, you know, if you think about the Blade bringer chariot or something like that, right or the the the uh in zinch like the horror Flaming chariot all that stuff has the right keyword to still be part of your units So when it says six chaos ascendant daemonet units, it doesn't mean like six units of daemonets And that would be easy for people to misread so Also means that you can have like pink horrors with a five up six up after save. Yeah, it does. Yes Oh, that'd be so hard to chew through Uh, that is true. You don't have fate points or destiny dice, but you do have a lot of saves And you do have an ability to once around summon 10 more horrors Yeah, why don't all the zinch players out there play this instead instead of shelving zinch? Well, I mean a couple uh Like gaunt summoners have the daemon keyword, don't they? yes So, uh, you know, that seems fair, right Because you can just take a couple take a couple gaunt take a couple gaunties They're bringing in 10 Every round you're you're rolling for uh that and summoning 10 more So you can just be spamming horrors out there. I mean just Outrageous numbers of horrors like you could uh, you know, you could easily summon You could easily summon like it's in the it's in the ballpark to summon 80 horrors over the course of the game That's not that's not impossible. It's rude You will not see that You do Uh, I would point out that you can one drop with the host of the arcane as well pretty easily But you can't have any flamers in it. That's what you're losing. So Uh, there you go, uh All right, cool Any other any other thoughts gentlemen on the cast ascendant that we want to touch on before we move on? I don't like it Do you want to include uh Legion of the first prince when talking about Legion of chaos ascendant because that one's that one's only for Yes, descendant. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. Let's I think that's a great shout-out. So let's talk about legion of the first prince So we'll jump from the full on allegiance Down into one of the uh hosts you can take Uh, namely the legion of the first prince and this is bellicorps Uh host obviously and it is specifically takeable with this Thing like that's because all of these sub allegiances. We're going to talk about are gated based on your allegiance And this is the one specifically for that, right? I'm so glad that they took a model like bellicorps and made him as cool as he is Because I mean if you have this really old, I mean it's such an epic looking model the bellicorps and I'm so glad they did something with him that's like giving him the treatment that he really needs Okay, you realize how small he is, but he's There's just one thing. Uh, we actually a shot a barrel court using this uh for re-rolling horns And there was one thing that I didn't really like it's a uh Where he is the where you have to have one of each unit near you to use his ability, which That seems like unreasonable But the buff is like it's good, but it's not that good Like if he's within eight inches of all four of these other units, that's fine. You just I just kind of ignore that but him passing off the wounds. I think that's yeah Well, let's let's go through it real quick here. So I'll very quickly, uh, very quickly try these out In order for it to work. There you go. Yeah, that that is your standard formation. Yes Uh, all right. So uh first damned prince, uh, so you can re-roll hit wound rolls for attacks made by bellicor While he is within eight inches of at least one of each Of the following friendly legion of the first prince units bloodletters plague bears daemonettes and horrors of zange Now I will point out that again those are all bolded So you could technically have like Uh zinge chariot herald A foot herald like the the zinge horror herald the foot daemonette herald The bloodletter herald Reasonable, but it's still so you just have like you could have like his cadre of lieutenants of his four little heralds Following him around granting him those abilities, right? I'm just saying you know what? Nobody's gonna do that Behemoth keyword. No, I don't think so. You have four demon princes along with him It'd be perfect They don't they don't have the bloodletter plague bear keyword. Yeah, I delete that You're okay In addition before you allocate a wound or mortal wound to bellicor pick one friendly Blah blah blah all those things we just said within eight inches of him and roll a die On a four plus that wound or mortal wound is allocated to that unit instead That was really good, uh with plague bears. I just said 10 plague bears Roll with him and uh, I did it wrong But I think I did it wrong in the way that it was less beneficial for me But yeah, if he's just allocating wounds on a four up to plague bearers who then can ignore those on five ups They've been a six five up. Okay, and then a six up from the uh, the Yeah, yeah from the legion. Yeah Yeah, he gets super tough if he just has like a bodyguard unit around him. Yes Uh, so yeah, I agree Other thing I want to add too is then the so you're you're gonna talk about the spell. Yeah I believe this can combo with the other spell echo of hatred So can you double up on a model gets killed and they pile in an attack? Yes, because that has been clarified that those effects are stacking before in the FAQ So, uh, but oh my god's died So sure One kind of must have a living model Great So your command ability is you can use this command ability once per turn at the end of the battle shock phase If Bellacor is your general on the battlefield If you do so roll a die for each friendly legion of the first prince bloodletters plague bearers daemonets and horrors of zeech unit on the battlefield period period On a three plus you can return d3 slain models to that unit Um, so that's you know Pretty good. It's not bad. I think as things go Uh, and then yes the spell lore is the master's command, which is exactly the same thing we mentioned It's it's a fight after death thing, right? Like if you're slain you get to fight before you're removed from play the point being that if you um If you die Then you get to pile in and fight twice So that's pretty good. Do do seekers have the daemonet keyword? uh because Tom, I know exactly where you're going and the answer is Uh, because it's d3 slain models. You're thinking too small tom Okay, you're thinking much too small Are you are you thinking chariot because secret chariots can be taken in units of three and have the daemonet keyword So you can just bellacor can just wave his hands and return d3 Daemonet chariots to the battlefield out of the unit as long as one chariot is left All the chariots are coming back baby. Well, that's that's a high point investment I was thinking about having uh like interceptor chaff units and like objective grabber units That like are a lot more durable because like normally that's normally 10 wounds five models that it just implode But now they're on six ups. They they have six up after faves. Those are hold on those chariots are 360 points Okay, for 18 Right chariots on a four up save that that races around the battlefield at 12 does mortal wound impact hits and can retreat in charge And now you're getting two for one So they're even better. Yeah, and they I don't know That is a hot pick returning chariots is always busted. I built my entire eighth edition career on returning chariot models Yeah At nova. Yeah, at nova, they're playing tomb kings and they were just bringing back the chariots that archon was killing That's been broken for a long time. Yeah Yeah, there's a tomb king player just kept I couldn't kill all the chariots. He just bring them all back Chariots are battle lining that army too, right? I think yeah. Oh, this is dead army business It is dead. I mean also, I would point out tom the seeker chariots are also uh Battle line in a slanesh god seeker's army so Just saying you can have a lot of chariots and bring back a lot of chariots Because yeah, they'll die and then they all come back and then they retreat and charge it again. Yee-haw Just well, you can't be a seeker. You can't be a seeker and cast ascended Like and you have to cast it. You can't be god seeker. Yeah, you're right. Yeah No, I'm just thinking about filling my like the the Like roles within the army and how do you do that? Like and maximize that and so the idea was that like yes You have some objective holding like plague bearers and stuff like that But just wondering like could you get some solid chaff regenerating chaff? You know, like yes, the chariots could also do it as well. I mean I so I'm amazed we haven't talked about plague drones yet Because plague drones have the plague bearer keyword so like you can just regenerate d3 plague drones We have six of them, right? We have nine on our channel and then uh six more on loan from Cranky old gamer if you want it so yeah, I mean Yeah, I like blocks of Those guys versus five bloodthirsty. Do you guys want it? Like I mean like six of those with the regenerating model restore And having like a great unclean one at their back like that's like there's gas there. Yeah, sure No, this is it's a cool army I do wish bellicor as you so Sarcastically and wonderfully pointed out chew was not the tiniest most unimpressive model in the history of models like hey I like my bellicor shut your mouth. He's he's like the size of an ogre And a pretty boring sculpt for the first prince Yeah Bellamy the first prince. Yeah, exactly I'm to let you paint it because I was like I finally admitted I will never paint this model go I think I gave it to you first. Yeah To me. Yeah, it's still mine We had we we had a really bad mishap where like Minis got sold and then I bought them from the reselling website and someone's like, oh, yeah, that was mine. Oh Yeah, we're not like Yeah, we're not It's fantastic. So cool stuff. I really want to see the army of regenerating chariots. I need some more chariots. Okay. That's what I just learned Yes, yes, yes, don't have enough. Okay. Cool. Thank you very much, Brent. That was great. Thank you for pointing us toward the legion I had forgot that that one was specifically tucked in our cast ascendant all right Kind of a weird spot. It is knights of the empty throne. So this is This is such a weird army. This is like I want to play Varengard But I don't want to take Archeon, which by the way might be the right way to play Varengard. I'm not sure Okay So the Knights of the empty throne if you have your army, this is a this is an allegiance However, you still have it still slaves to darkness Right. So here at least that's what it seems to imply like you're still a slaves to darkness army You're just choosing to also be knights of the empty throne exactly how those two things work together Isn't super well understood at this exact moment But I know this is getting clarified in the FAQ because it's already been mentioned This will be one of the clarification points of How do these two things interact because they seem like completely separate full allegiances And yet it seems like you get both of them. Yeah This is kind of like wouldn't this be like one of the storm hosts? Well, it feels like it but it's not at that level right because it has like the whole it has the whole charts Command traits and artifacts the whole deal, right Battle traits and everything. All right. Well, no, that's how that's how the other ones do not multiple selectable ones not reset This one is This one is a full allegiance like here are your multiple battle traits And command abilities. Here is a list of command traits you can take. Here is a list of artifacts of power you can take Yeah, that's not that's not annual that's how No, but that's how the spoilers works. That's how these work in slaves to darkness Remember in slaves to darkness. They have all their own charts. Oh, yeah All their own command traits all their own Yes, yes, so that that's just how it works. Yes Uh, so assumingly, yeah, you're right. Thank you, tom. I don't know where my brain was at. Thank you Too much reading of sub allegiances in a row got me. Thank you One one one for tom one for vins. There you go Uh All right, so if you've given your army the knights of the empty throne keyword friendly knights of the empty throne baron guard units gain the hero keyword if archion is not part of your army Okay And then if you do that They can those those heroes can only have the command traits or artifacts of power listed opposite And the lookout sir rule does not apply to those heroes And they get two different command abilities one of which Basically lets you pick one enemy unit that controls and this is actually a crazy command ability So i want to read this one out because it's this one's nuts All right, we all ready for this one because this one's crazy Unmatched conquerors like this is a new space. We've never really played in in this exact way before okay You can use this command ability at the end of your charge phase If you do so pick one enemy unit that controls an objective And is within 12 inches of a friendly knights of the empty throne hero Which could be your heroes or your baron guard because they would qualify for that Roll a number of dice Equal to the number of models in that unit In that unit you're targeting Okay For each three plus until the end of that battle round the number of models in that until the end of the battle round not turn All right, so if you're going first it's Just do both turns just wanting to really point out the nuance here The number of models in that for each three plus until the end of that battle round the number of models in that unit That are counted when determining control of that objective is reduced by one The same unit cannot be affected by this command ability more than once per turn So you've got a unit of 30 things 30 dudes on an objective you charge into them Yeah, yeah, because hold on man That's a lot that's a lot of walking just to be counted when less dude It's like if you saw a old timey bicycle that day And and you've passed by a mustachioed map. It's it's many many more many many less You charge your let's okay, so let's let's set up a situation like this There's 30 guys on an objective and you charge Your baron guard or they your baron guard happen to be within 12 inches of that unit Okay, yeah, or you're gonna you charge into that 30 block or whatever Okay, let's just assume that happens And then at the end of the charge phase you use this ability Okay, there's 30 models in the unit. You just charged right you're gonna roll 30 dice Right, so to 10 and you're looking for three ups So statistically you get 20 of those just to jump in it happens regardless of whether or not you charge Correct. It's just at the end of the charge phase. I'm just they're nearby Yeah, if they're nearby is what he what vince is about to say Is that then you charge him and obliterate the 10 models that actually count to for a capping the unit ding ding ding? That's exactly right. You have three baron guard charging 30 guys They would normally be hard pressed to pull them off of that objective. They run in use this ability Statistically they reduce a 30 block by 20 models counting. There's now only 10 guys holding that objective If the baron guard killed 10 guys And there's only 20 people left that unit is 20 minus 20 It counts as zero models to hold that objective. The three baron guard just took it I got it the whole time. Okay. Yeah, you're gonna have to delete that Uh, but so what's fascinating about that is that like oh poor uh poor um Congrats ogres ogres ogres like sure they work so hard with their stone horns and thunder dust and the baron guard are like You don't count anymore Because that model doesn't count And so like no matter how much they count for that model does not contribute anymore. Correct So immediately if you roll a three plus, they're just out of the running Right that like stone horn just doesn't count anymore. You just roll in one die if you get it You're zero now. You're back to your old but get get back to how you used to play Get back Yeah Yeah, so it's it's a really interesting command ability in the way they they shrink people off of that um That's kind of a cool thing. I really that is a crazy design space We've never seen them play in before in that exact way Obviously we've played with objective numbers like doubling what you count as in the zinch book or the ogres counting with their Their might make the right thing or whatever, but yeah And to answer a question the chat autumn lotus. No the baron guard heroes can only take these artifacts not realm artifacts It specifically calls out those command traits or artifacts of power listed opposite. That's it No, you could have like three items Or like two items on a unit of three, right? Could you have or does Because like they are a hero Yeah, like the whole the unit is a hero. So then does like so here's next question Like if I take a sword like they have a sword artifact, right? Like choose a weapon. What are their artifacts? No, they don't they have the okay, but they do have like a they do have an uh, uh an armor So it would apply to all of their saves. Correct. Well, yes, it doesn't it's not what it does I'll talk about it because it's actually super hot It is super hot. Okay Command traits i'm going to talk about the ones I think matter inescapable doom any units within three inches of this general Cannot retreat So you can have like a six pack of baron guard or or anything by the way It doesn't like you have to be baron guard because this is like all sorry This one is baron guard the command traits are knights the empty thrown baron guard generals only So this is only baron guard if you have a six pack of them counting as heroes Enemy units within three inches of this general cannot retreat so pretty good Because you can make it so people can't escape your baron guard Uh, and then the and you would come but you would combo that with grasping plate Uh, the unit bearing this artifact is eligible to fight in the combat phase If it is within six inches of an enemy unit instead of three inches and it can move an extra three inches when it piles in So it's always nice. So we just did that run you pile in Yep, you can run you can pile in you can retreat and pile you could retreat they can't uh Like it is Uh, it's pretty good and and chris, uh, the answer is as far as we know Yes, as tom pointed out, this would just replace like your dispoilers or whatever You would have this as your dispoilers or ravagers or cabalus or host of the ever chosen This is your new thing. You still get the rest of the slaves to darkness thing Um, again, they did say they'll project your oras. They'll still project your oras. Yes Uh, which means that however those baron guard are you know working they'll they'll do that since they're a hero now So that's cool Well, they're your general. Yeah, sure. Sure. They they can be your general. Yes uh So there you go. I mean to me that's like that's the picks for command traits and artifacts, but uh It's a neat way to play a bunch of baron guard and make them interesting. I don't know what else to say I guess if you love the all baron guard army, basically You don't have to actually you could have like six baron guard and a whole bunch of other stuff, but uh, it's kind of cool What do you guys think? Yeah, it's uh fun. It's uh, it's it's an interesting mechanic making a unit. That's normally not a hero a hero Yeah, it's like I get to give my my unit an item which is like, you know Space they haven't really played in much before. Is that the first time I've seen this? making a A unit a hero. Yeah changing. Yeah, because we've made units like obviously wizards for a long time But I can't think of any unit that was a hero We have a jack has three baron card and he wanted to paint one and then he wanted Shoe to paint another and then he wanted me to paint one And they haven't been on the channel because all Um, I guess it's like even if that if I do finally finish that very if When I finish that very hard. There we go. I'm right. I'm I'm even wondering, you know, like I don't know still doesn't seem like enough of a reason to try out this legion. So if you only have three of them But well, maybe at least say this unit of heroes running around So this is what I want to do with this like hearing this reflecting on this I want to do the all mounted chaos army sure Because you could do like two units of erin guard a car carcadrack Because this is a normal army, right? Yeah, so it's de verne guard a carcadrack and then Like you could even do like a a harbinger of decay ally, maybe Right Slaves, yes plays this all slaves, right so you're bringing in like nervel and then And then uh, then you do will cast knights at your battle line. Sure Well, like it's a really interesting concept to make the verringard like I love the idea of probably a sixer of the verringard heroes Uh, or of the ver of a verringard hero pack like corn in corn right and Having regular cast knights With them and like the lord on carcadrack or something like that like that's a that is a scary charge This is probably the closest to this sort of steel legion that I wanted Yeah, right, right because you you're right you can like because now that big sixer of verringard is broadcasting this 12 inch bubble around them of the generals cornora Right, which is what I ultimately want so I can get multiple other chaos knight units and and the lord on carcadrack And all that kind of stuff into their very big bubble because I can spread the six of them out real far and like broadcast a massive bubble right So Yeah, uh, you know chaos ascended ally with anybody. No, there's not really any rules. Is there it's kind of like uh leftist can't really ally with anybody either Yeah I think you're just you why you need to ally. You just you're all chaos demons. Who needs allies At uh, the harbinger decay. You can bring some mortals in from the buff There you go You just got to find the ones that are the other ones that are all mortals and demons So bring a archion can come on in he's good. He'll get that he'll get the five up five up five up You could bring in Uh, you could bring in the plus plus globe light lords Oh, yeah, they're demon mortals Um, and they could gain so they'd be up like a four up five up five up Five up now you're talking now you're talking my language Yeah, never just sit down to the table and you just have a real death threat to the other player I'm going to annoy you I'm gonna buzz you Yeah, I mean, I think at that point you can uh, you can just literally like plant four or six of those those big Flies into their army and just be like, all right. Well I guess try to kill that now Well, no, but you're gonna run you're gonna run the uh the bellicorps legion and just return to d3 of my return Yeah, as I'm saying like good luck with that. You're never like by like just enjoy your four of them Enjoy your time in your starting zone. You're just No, they're not plague bears the those blight lords aren't plague bears So you'd have to do drones Which don't have mortals so they can't get the other boat. Yeah, you don't need it. You don't need it. It's fine All right gentlemen, so that's the big allegiances. We're ready to talk some sub allegiances some new chambers for everybody everybody Let's get nuts. You want to get nuts? Let's get nuts. All right, so uh corn corny time corn gets gets to to yeah to The flayed and the baleful lords the flayed obviously being more of the mortal based one the baleful lords being the bloodthirster based one uh Yeah, very quickly. I'll give them a give them a rundown here I don't even want to talk about their ability because it's so Insane, but here we go. I will anyways at the end of the combat phase If any enemy heroes or monsters were slain by attacks made by a friendly flayed mortal unit In that phase you can add one to save rolls for attacks that target that unit for the rest of the battle They can only benefit from this once per battle Okay, so once per game if one of your mortal units in the combat phase Kills a hero or a monster they get plus one to save for the rest of the game You've lost me already. Okay. Got it. Got it on that Commandability wrath speaker you can use this commandability at the start of the combat phase If you do so pick one friendly flayed mortal unit wholly within 12 Add one to hit rolls for attacks made by melee weapons with that unit if they made a charge move in the same turn Okay Your vessel of butchery you can reroll prayer rolls of one for friendly flayed priests wholly within eight inches of this general Okay, I mean cool like I like gore pilgrims too. It's pretty good. You're already rerolling. So I don't know okay, yeah and Your artifact is the slaughter helm add two to charge rolls for the bear Hmm Okay, I like uh, you know, if you kill something you plus one of your save say you take arkea and run them around He kills a hero, which he's very capable or a monster very capable of doing is too upset for the rest of the game Didn't think about that Yeah, because it's a mortal. I yeah, he's a fee could be a flayed mortal. Yes Are what are they afraid of by making it? Oh, you just get a plus one for the rest of the game and then this whole thing just goes away like Um, it could have just been every time the I say hero. Come on. There's only like six of those on the board You want a negative four safe? Sure man, let's go murk heroes and if you're dumb enough to get your heroes murked Like she is the vessel of butchery is kind of redundant because you're going to be rewinding your saves Uh, well, I guess you can leave the protection of the skull altar now I think it's supposed to be because the other ones are good. So they have to have some that are like not so good Sure, that's for usual. That's all Yeah, I like the ability just because like corn is rewarded for killing things that's corn being more I don't know corn needs some more thematic rules. I feel like they've struggled with that Yeah, I feel like uh, shouldn't it be damage or render or something like that not like a corn wants blood Congratulations, you're uh, you're now a six With like if you kill a unit like this is what it should be if you kill a unit You get to pile in at the end of the combat phase um And so what it means is that like if you like it incentivizes units to get into combat with multiple units Simultaneously and if they murder one unit then they get That they get to fight again on to the other unit. Yeah, it'd be at the end of the phase. So it's very fair Right. It's yeah, it's not like it Right. Yeah, they still have to survive the fight Yeah, like like that would be the easy way to to design towards that Yeah, so the point is this is the less interesting corn when now let's talk about the interesting corn All right the baleful lords friendly baleful lords blood thirsters can run and still charge And you can have five of them as long as you all your behemoths are blood thirsters So five running and charging blood thirsters Super cool Frenzy to nylator your command ability you can use this command ability in the combat phase If you do so pick one friendly baleful lords blood thirster until the end of that phase when you look up the value on that model's Damage table. It's treated as though it suffered zero wounds. Okay, cool. So you can basically it has the Uh, you know bolderhead thing where you can push people back up to zero The trick with this one is it's only in the combat phase. So you can't use it for like movement or anything like that like you can with theirs Uh, yeah, but the exploding axe is going to stay at like six mortals. Yeah, I mean like all the good things go way back up Yes, it's good. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying it's it's not as versatile as the other one as the as the beast claw raider one Your command trait add one to charge rolls for friendly baleful lords blood thirsters within eight inches of the general Just within not wholly within so thank god. You don't have to try to fit all those bases in a weird bubble And so because you can run and charge and get plus one to charge now. So why not? Uh, I'm sure captain whipy pants is around somewhere You know fatty mcwhips. So he's probably adding on to that number two We've just got these guys sailing across the table Blood stoker blood stoker. Yes. The blood stoker only works on mortals Oh, is he only mortals now? Oh, darn But you get to reroll your wound rolls for the mortals He's one right? All right, and then you get and then your artifact is add one to save rolls for attacks the target the bearer Yeah, I really I this is like out of the two if you're going to compare him I prefer this one's like I think uh, because Cross that run and charge from the first book and uh last edition and you realize when you're playing them or you're playing against them I'm pretty slow You're like you're like, you know now being able to run and charge with a blood threster really helps Teaming this with tyrants of blood. So you have five blood thirsters and as soon as one fights Then they all get to fight. So if you can't punch in there, it's it behooves you and that's really great Say you are fighting to get slain extra something you can okay. He makes one both blood threster attack last But the rest of you get to go. I was triggered with tyrants of blood. He's gonna get to attack first. Is this what you did to josh? This is the next bad rap um This is I don't know. I kind of feel like they missed an opportunity here to let you take all the greater demons Like and just for like hey knights players completely just think yeah, yeah, sure. Well, that's what the giant arm is for man That's coming in We're good Hey, uh circling back real quick. You mentioned the giant thing. You still have the image up Um for the the thing it is from that image is from the 80s It does remind me of the demon from big trouble little china. I want to see oh, yeah Yeah, yeah This face so sorry So you're saying gw you brought that property and now we're gonna get big trouble little china games. Oh, I Yeah, okay. I got you. Hey I will name every wizard. That's the last product I can get by david lapan So, uh, if somebody asks in the comments like are these abilities going to be tournament are these things tournament viable? I mean, they're usable in tournaments. That's really legal and match play rule That's one thing it depends on the to Yeah, and also like how good are they? That's a totally different You know thing I the baleful lords interesting. I mean this plus the council blood or whatever it is Yes, as you pointed out is like that's you know Pretty good. Yeah Yeah, like like what I would say is this None of these abilities are going to break break the meta But I think that they there are some in some builds that will give an edge to some bit Like some of the lesser known or lesser like I think it'll like corn might be bumped up a little bit Uh, nergal might be bumped up a little bit. So it sharpens the edge on those lists without actually like breaking them No, I agree. This this is a huge help to like I think nergal gets a huge bump out of this book and right So, uh, it needed it Uh, then we move on to zinch Oh, anything else to say about the bloodthirster one gentleman before we move on to zinch This will beat someone Yeah, when five bloodthirsters hit your line at the top of one, I hope you know how to screen because that's what's happening In this army Feed them garbage until you can attack Yep And I really like because bloodthirsters do do die fast and the ability to uh Fight at the top of your uh damage chart is really nice. Yep. It makes me miss toughness though. I have to admit Nothing ever makes me miss toughness Uh, because I I don't miss needing garbage numbers to wound. Okay. So at any rate Uh, both of the zinch ones are bad. Can I just start there and sum them up like that? That's fine. They have enough good ones I could be happier about that If you want to handicap yourself by playing zinch, take one of these Yeah, if you think your army is too powerful Take a whack at this cult of a thousand eyes is for you Yeah, like I I could go into them a little but honestly it's not worth a huge amount of exploration They're both Whatever like I don't I don't know where the the world is Where you want to play either of these over even some of the lesser ones in the zinch book Like even my narrative brain doesn't like start Moving looking at either of these either because like oddly specific things like Uh negating an enemy unit's cover save right And but and that's supposed to represent them, you know, it's like eyes everywhere that they have spies everywhere. So like I don't I don't even know how that translates like somebody's like hiding in the forest with them. What? Watch out. I didn't ask here they come They're gonna tell you yeah, it's uh where your flamers need to target. Yeah Well, uh, although that one's only mortal units too. The one that removes cover is only mortal units boy All right, so yeah, they're both bad enough said Let's get to that. I mean seriously. I just that's yeah Right on now. Let's talk about some good stuff, which is the nergal because boy. Oh boy. Is there a lot to unpack in nergal? Uh Yeah, a lot Each of these have uh interesting elements to them Yep Okay, munificent wanderers Uh, wall and enemy unit is within three inches of any friendly munificent wanderers demon unit Worse in the rend characteristic of that unit's melee weapons by one to a minimum of dash Right. Nurgle units are unaffected by this ability and by the way a lot of these things don't work in the mirror match Right So just something to be aware of like if you go nergal on nergal Most of these things just shut off That's been the case for every nergal ability forever though. So yeah Yeah, I feel buffing that your blight kings can squirt over and heal the other guy. They laugh about it. Yep Um, but that is a Super good ability like worsening everybody's rend by one is slightly worse than plus one armor save to your whole army Right. So we're just slightly below petrofex here starting off on the on the base ability Yep, right. We're still okay Still okay. Again, it's only daemon units, right? But still plague bearers are pretty decent tarpits Uh Make this got better. Sure. Like your your blight lords and your your um plague drones and stuff all those anything like that, right? Okay, great And also Your greater demons and everything like that too Yeah, and also your um pus spoils. Yep Okay, uh, your command ability is infested with wonders You can use this command ability in your hero phase if you do pick one friendly munificent wanderers demon unit holy within 14 inches of your hero until the start of your next hero phase if an enemy unit ends Uh a charge move within three inches of that unit that enemy suffers d3 mortal wounds A unit cannot benefit from this command ability more than once per turn I'm going to clarify for our listeners. He did not say infested with wonders So it's not that there's like glade guard like hanging out in the midst of the nergal But wonders. Yeah. So a nice little kickback command ability thing. I find interesting, uh There's there's some interesting overlap here with like the even modified nergal demon prince command ability and plague touched And well plague touches back because that that doesn't work because those are all mortal units But anyways, yeah things that the demon principality where you can actually start kicking back like A decent ish number of mortal wounds just for fighting your units It can start to but a bunch of command points. Like that's the problem. It's totally true. It's totally true I don't disagree. You got to find a way to get those I I already ran the numbers and I was like, um, oh, yeah, sure Uh one last gift is your command trait if the unmodified hit roll for an attack made with a melee weapon That targets a friendly munificent wanderers demon unit holy within 12 of this general is a six The attacking unit suffers one mortal wound after all of its attacks have been resolved. So yet again more Chip damage back, which I like and then the artifact is muck talon pick one of the bearer's melee weapons Add one to hit rolls for attacks made with that weapon if the target is a hero I love it Cool name bad artifact cool name So what do you think about these guys gentlemen, what's everybody think about the munificent wanderers? Well, I just love the fact that they can squirt on you when you you hit them, you know, uh, you crit your pants And get winds back. That's awesome. Um, I think infested with wonders is is fun as like Yeah, maybe it's not worth command point, but if you if you've got an extra one and it's in your pocket Maybe there's gonna be that clutch like Charging, you know, somebody charging Something else. Maybe it's only a hero with a couple wounds left and you kill them that way. That'd be hilarious. Yeah Yeah, I mean national narrative stuff there. That's really really colorful If it happens, you will remember it and you will laugh about it for a long time for a long time Is it uh, is is there an item um, that nergal has that makes you re-roll hit rolls of six or wound rolls of six Thing on the table is wound rolls of six. Okay. So we wouldn't this uh, uh, command straight wouldn't make that, uh Yeah, you're talking about the cycle of corruption ability. Yeah. No, no, no the weather stave is is for demons and it's hit rolls of six Yeah, but the the cycle of corruption is wound rolls of six Yeah, so if you have water stave and this one last gift you you'd be re-rolling that six, right? Right. Yeah Yes, I'm good Yeah, don't don't that's it. We call that a non bow in the business right there All right. Yeah, I mean what I what I would say is this like I see this and I'm like I don't know tally band could probably benefit from this sure Like right because tally band is going to be you know like a guo probably multiple guos and a bunch of plague bearers and um Plague bearers and drones and I look at this look down the list on this and I go. Yeah, sure. Yep Yeah, I mean reducing rend on all that stuff makes it even worse That's right. I mean it really makes all these units get stuck in hard like it's hard to one of these things Uh, I agree like in pure nergal. Yeah All right, gentlemen, we're ready to move to the droning guard Yes. Yeah, okay Clicks are open. Uh, so same exact, uh General ability for the droning guard when you're within three inches of a droning guard demon unit worse than the rend characteristic by one Okay, cool. So Fine there You have my attention. Right. Good. Again, we're slightly below petrified. So good start Now we get to the broken command ability that needs an FAQ Uh, let me read it. Yes You can use this command ability in the combat phase if you do so pick one friendly droning guard plague drones unit Holy within 12 inches of a friendly droning guard demon hero unit or hero Sorry with this command ability until the end of that phase add one to disgustingly resilient roles made for that unit You'll notice they left off the text that says Bitch, bitch. I got a pocket full of command points to spend now. You've got command points to spend Because yes, you could just push your disgusting really resilient to a one up And you're like boom immune to damage. Yeah, come on witch elves now as far as the first sentence, isn't this like Uh petrified being kind of confusing where it's just saying you can use this command ability in the combat phase So like when do you do that? That's a great question. I will tell you any time That's not the start. No, I'll tell you. Yeah, I'll tell you exactly when you do it. You ready? Here's when you do it. You got three command points. Let's just let's just start chart that out, okay Brent you've got three command points and it's the combat phase and your unit of uh plague drones has been attacked And after your regular save 12 saves going through or 12 damage got through. Okay You're gonna grab your 12 dice. You're gonna roll your 12 dice And you're gonna see how many of those are fives and sixes Okay And then you're gonna see how many of them are fours and how many of them are threes and how many of them are Two's and you're gonna do some math real quick and you're gonna figure out how many of those command points You need to spend to basically make no damage happen if you tend to roll a lot of fours You're gonna burn one and now suddenly it's four I think uh with this you definitely want to take the aether quartz brooch just so you can get to more command points Just right because if this doesn't get faq'd keep mind. There's no there's no stack In this game, right? Like that's not a thing So like when it just says you can use it generally you can just use it generally I can interrupt the sort of damage resolution step the Lvo so it was like oh, I said I made two saves Uh petra fex. I'm gonna uh, I'm gonna improve improve my improve my rent by one. Now you felt you saved I already made them He's like can you do this and I was like I already made the same that was now we're getting into the orion going back in time before I made the same They twist the knife a little more you you made the roll You made the roll they just determined whether those rolls were successful or not But he straightened you with the blade and then like you have a moment to like heat it up Hey, don't make it feel my side. I'm just saying that's that's the only way to justify the lore master has spoken Uh, so this one's uh, that's a really powerful ability that needs an faq to say a unit may not benefit from this More than once per round. So just let's just go ahead and slap that on there. Thank you and we can move on But what if they did but what if it doesn't that's the real question I'm like go on then make sure you get an aether quartz brooch find out you better find a battalion real fast So you can get that aether quartz brooch Uh, your command trait is also real good. Uh, like it's real good after armies have been set up But before the first battle round begins friendly droning guard plague drones can move up to four inches awesome Pre pre game moves always a plus And then your artifact is subtract one from hit rolls for attacks made with melee weapons that target the bearer Again, okay So your guo is now harder to kill got it. Yeah, sure or whatever. It's fine. It's not bad. It's not a super bad artifact It's just not great. It's whatever. It's fine I enjoy this bad griff feather charm. Thank you. There's already quite a few minus one to hit Factors to bear in here, right because we're talking about demons sure So this is just one more just one more as I said, it's not bad. It's just not like oh, yay I'm this is it's not the reason you take this one, right? I don't know when you're talking about a d6 game minus two is a lot It is a lot. You just I do not disagree with that math. I've I've had some scientists check the numbers and uh, you are correct No, I mean events. I mean vince's point here is that it's melee only and there's no additional effect Um, and so like it Like it's lackluster compared to like a griff feather charm Which is minus one universal in melee and shooting and plus one minute But you can't have the griff feather charm and aether quartz brooch. That's right. It's true. It's true Uh, when you played against in jack was a droning guard or Uh, I think he took the uh the drowning man. Is it okay? We'll get to that. Yeah It's all army is themed after the drowning man. So right So, yeah, I I mean I like this one a lot. I love plague drones. I think they're a cool unit I've always I'd like I think big the demon fly dudes are super cool So this actually makes really good use of them between their ability to bump that after save to pregame move Like worsening wrench. They stay alive. This is doing everything I want. This is this is the better By the way to clarify. This is the better Um tally band of nercle. Yes The other one would was functional this one. This is the better one. Yeah This is the kind of thing you take, um, if you're doing duos and you have a another army that can bring synergy this is kind of a debuffer And uh, yeah, you can play after partner pretty well. Yeah, it's a it's a very good, uh anvil It's a very like just a wonderful anvil army and then you team with like a corn You know player or something like that that can just Blunder everything All right, what are we ready to talk about the blessed sons and the drown men? Yes, sir. Yeah, okay, so The blessed sons, excuse me, uh, I didn't mean to cough there the blessed sons Uh are so this stuff is more rock bringer focused by the way Just so we all understand that here the first one was demon. This one's rock bringer Uh, roll a dice each time a friendly blessed sons rock bringer model is slain in the combat phase on a two plus they suffer one more Okay, sorry you feel really you roll that one sure It's okay like it's it's some that's some paprika on top right like it's a little bit of spice It's not making the meal and we all agree with that right like yay My blikings do that. No. Yeah, but like it's it's shit Like let's just be honest here I said it's a little bit of spice on top. It doesn't do much when you look at the average army You're gonna get if all of your guys died you get in a in a very focused on this army You get 20 to 30 mortal wounds out of this But but like but do you Yeah, I say because these are all like multi wound models like you're not going to If you get and if you've got 20 or 30 blikings it's combat phase only sure At a fair point. You're absolutely right. So it's not even I'm assuming a melee fight with them But you're right right right like Like that that never triggers against KO About sure sure that probably never triggers against each. Yes Agreed All right, but let's move on because there are other interesting things going on in both of these sure By the way, the drowned men have the same ability. I agree. That's not good Like it's as I said, it's at best a little bit of flavor is what I'm trying to point out Yeah, that being said, I don't think it's that these are bad So the command trait for the blessed sons is once per turn you can use at the double On a friendly blessed sons route bringing unit within 12 of this general without spending any command points only within not wholly within and Being able to just say you run six for free in an army that has lots of run in charge Pretty cool. Uh, yeah dig that I dig that a lot um their command ability Is you can use this command ability at the start of the combat phase if you do so pick one friendly blessed sons Rotbringer unit wholly within 14 inches of your hero Then at the end of that phase pick one enemy unit that has suffered any wounds or mortal wounds inflicted by that unit in that phase If the combined number of those wounds and mortal wounds is greater than the bravery characteristic of that enemy unit That enemy unit suffers three additional mortal wounds Holy crap. I hate this command ability You don't get that get the hell out of here Not me. I got it. You don't understand the shoe needs like Yeah, if you have seen a gyrocopter On the morning of a summer eve, I like when I've got to get out my abacus to track my command ability, right? Uh Yeah, this is just like the most bonkers ability um Why why any of that text? This is the type of ability where you go Go back and rewrite it right exactly. I just know I would have notes on this one If this came to me and I was like the editor I would I would there would be a postie in the file. This would be commented just like please change all text Here's here's the crazy thing like I mean just to consider What happens in the rules team like this these rules are translated to like what 25 languages something like that Yeah, so like um and the big picture here like they got to be kind of specific in the wording of these things otherwise the The local people are not going to understand how to change it. So I mean we're we're lucky We're not getting technical documents to this point, but this is close I love how it's so many steps to do three mortal wounds So much math and complexity and mental memory. You have to use why Why all of that also the artifacts bad too. Okay, great So the drowned man has the same ability the nergles embrace Uh, their command trait is you can reroll charge rolls for friendly drowned man puscoil blightlord units Holy within 14 inches of the general. So okay, cool. Don't need to spend Command points to do that just everybody's doing it in a big radius around him on on all the time Okay, fair enough Their command ability is you can use this command ability at the start of the combat phase If you do so pick one friendly drowned man puscoil blightlord's unit Holy within 12 of the hero until your next hero phase if the unmodified wound roll for an attack made with that unit's Blighted weapons is six improve the rend characteristic for that attack by one Are they normally rend nothing? Yes for the for the puscoil blightlords. Yes, they're they're Yeah, but now you have to track like how many dice Are different are different save values. So then like Okay, these eight are hits these six are Are these eight are like loons any dharma saves these six though Need rolls separately because they have rend one on them. Like it's I hate it I hate it. I hate it. I sent an email to these guys after playing the old uh, play uh Plague month war scroll and I said I just had the most joyless experience of my life Yeah, this is uh, this is cranking the heat up. Do we think this should just be they get Yes Yes, like on five you do a mortal wound That's the six keep going sure like it should just be pick a unit of puscoil blightlords They their rend increases by one for that combat phase for one phase for a command point Right come on Right and that wouldn't break anything their puscoil blightlords and it's not even all of their attacks, right? It's just their blighted weapons. Yeah, they have four weapons. Oh miles. It's just they're wet. Oh We're not talking about rending foul mouth parts. You know, I'm not talking about uh Do you know rending venom stingers? No Yeah If you have witness a probiscus in real life So if you play get certain people foul mouth parts and probiscus because they don't mean the war scroll Yeah I I would be fine with a by the way, there's the other thing that they should throw on this what they've done in this book multiple times Is say you can't use this commandability more than once per phase Right, right? So just do that like this you just put the super limit on it, right? Like they get neg one rend you can't use this commandability more than once per phase Cool one unit of puscoil blightlords can get rend Can increase their rend by one of one of their weapon profiles Did we feel like a very worthwhile command point? Did we mention it's puscoil blightlords, right? But you're like not known for being the best unit ever, but they're cool like They're awesome. Like this is like let's let's dial in on this Petrifex just does this with all units sure like all For for a less than command point for a less than command point expenditure Harrison is the thief of joy I like Yeah You know what makes up this is if the next artifact was add seven wounds Oh, hey, all right. Yeah, I'm back in I'm back in double the wounds characteristic of this hero. All right. Hello Yeah, uh one is one probably not enough. This is probably why uh beat dog top of turn one All right, so we're ready to talk to finish this out. Let's talk about slanesh. Shall we Yes, uh, okay, again for Then we'll do some narrative. All right, so uh each of the Uh each of the slanesh psych hosts there you go. That's the word I was looking for Has one sub faction they can take They are this is more upgraded than the other ones because you still get to be invaders pretenders or god seekers It was like a sub faction of a sub faction effectively But you do you're still paying an opportunity cost because normally like god seekers doesn't set your artifact or your command trait or stuff like that And by the way, that is a real cost because every one of those Uh, every every one of those things relies pretty heavily on like their command trait on an artifact selection Now slanesh has decent battalion. So you usually have two artifact choices, but It matters for the command trait thing. There are some of those that really run on their command trait Okay, there's pretenders is the one where you can have two command traits. Does it take both slots? Or you can still take one of the old ah such a great question, but no you get this and the other ones Of course you do. Yeah, so for the pretenders. Yeah, we'll talk about that in a moment By the way, I'm running the this one one of these this weekend. So Um, I'm running the the first one here the lurid haze Uh, so the lurid haze is for invaders Uh, and I love this one almost top to bottom So billowing mists after setup is complete But before the first battle round begins you can remove d3 friendly lurid haze invaders host units from the battlefield And put them back in ambush if you do so at the end of your first movement phase you set them up On the battlefield wholly within six inches of the edge of the battlefield more than nine inches from enemy units That's gonna be so good at how the holy or just begin. You're absolutely right. It is brother You're absolutely right. It is So filthy Uh, you're a cheater Uh, I can't like I one of the problems is I don't think I can legitimately take archae on off the table with it Because he's on the big base, which is technically like 6.0 Whatever eight inches or whatever Yeah, so being engagements for you to deploy off the table partially just to be within their confines. So, right This is a It's unfortunate. I want to take archae on off and then have him come roaring back on from the side But I think by hard definition. He can't because he's bigger than six inches I also I also think I'm not deploying my model half off the table. Thank you Yeah, you know Lario and living cities where her That one as well. Yep. That being said anytime somebody's ever asked me. Can I do that with a laurel in living cities? I'm like, yeah, of course because yeah, it's fine. It's a laurel. It's awesome. Yeah Because it's awesome I want to see her come screaming in from the side throwing that spear turning people into woods. That sounds amazing Yeah, and then she's gonna die miserably Chance to kill her before she can summon All right, so your command trait is you can reroll run rolls for friendly lurid haze invaders Host units only within 12 of the general cool. I like that you run a lot in slanesh. So obviously that's quite useful Uh, and I like not spending command points to run farther. That's good Uh, your command ability you can use this command ability once per turn in the combat phase If you do so pick one friendly lurid haze lurid haze invaders host unit within 12 inches of the hero Add one to save rolls for attacks that target that unit the same unit cannot benefit from this command ability more than once per turn Dang it. Yeah Yeah, they remembered that far You almost turned jack into a human fire hydrant. Uh, no, I'm super excited about this one because you know what I like Archeon using this on himself Yeah Because plus one to save is Is real good It's real good Really? It's real good. Yeah turns out Again, I had a team of scientists working on this for quite a while and they did come back with some quite compelling research I'll link you to the paper And then your artifact is just somebody gets plus one wound. Okay. Who cares dumb That's getting thrown to the fane top of one. So it doesn't really matter like just That's getting burned up That's fine Uh, yeah, I like this one thoughts any any additional thoughts Any sort of I'm not going to say the s word, but any movement malarkey where you Like make people like, oh no, especially when you put a unit on the table and then pick it up like yeah kidding It's like and now people have to watch like, oh, you know, I have to make sure I Put enough bodies so he can't you know sneak behind me and charge my good stuff You know, you have to chaff up. Uh, and so anything like that anything where you have Uh movement malarkey, it's good We like cheating I I like movement malarkey a lot. So yes, and like absolutely I plan to like put a unit out somewhere as bait And then just be like nope kidding and just like, you know, somebody sets up against it And then you just pull it back off the table and It was a joke. All right faultless blades. This is the pretenders one Yep Add one to hit rolls for attacks made with melee weapons by friendly faultless blade pretenders host units that target a hero If you also made a charge move like, okay Sure. So I have to charge heroes and I get plus one to hit. All right fair enough. It's fine I mean, I'm not I don't hate that but okay Sure Keeping the secret hidden on two with those claws. Yeah, sure. I mean you should always be should always be rerolling anyways, but yes Yes, it's good. I'm not gonna hate that Uh, the command ability you can use this command ability once per turn in the combat phase If you do so pick one friendly faultless blades pretenders host unit Holy within 12 with a hero the first two wounds allocated to that unit in the phase are negated Ooh, is that is that good though because you're not generating Uh depravity sure Um, the answer is yes, it's good on units that don't generate depravity anyways Sure, right um Also like that unit also in the end you do want to like You do want to keep your keeper alive like you get more depravity out of beating other people to into paste Then then you know just losing your own wounds, right? But sure sure Uh, your command trait is friendly faultless blades pretenders host units That start a pile in move wholly within 12 of this general can move an extra three inches when they pile in Oh lordy lordy That's real good It doesn't say that you're in the combat So you're still out of combat if you're more than three inches away That is true unless you happen to also be in let's say seeker cavalcade Where your seeker chariots and seekers and health strikers can all Pile in six inches and and fight from six inches So now you can be six inches out and then dive nine inches in That is really good So, you know, yes, you can't be nine inches away sadly and still get it. You're right like that's that's unfortunate. That would be truly amazing Now vince, did you be running your chariots and units? Oh you Uh, I mean outside of the one bellicor first prince army. No single chariots always only Okay Is the yeah The thing I run into there is like you have two chariots An enemy over here that's not even close to being engaged in an enemy they're close to but this guy happens to be Closers to this dude over here And then stop Right. Yeah, then they got to like tokyo drifted sideways. So that way they're still within and enter each other and they're just I just call that pile and jank. Sure. So we must have this command trait in addition to any others So that's one other command trait. Yeah, yeah, because pretenders host generals get two hand traits. Yeah So you'll have that plus something else And then your artifact is pick one of the bearer's melee weapons add one to wound rules for attacks made with that weapon The target of hero, which is interesting because you're getting plus one to hit. So like I will say this your you can manufacture with this like with this With faultless blades you can manufacture a absolute nightmare murderer Of a like keeper Right because she when she goes in on heroes She can be like plus one to hit plus one to wound She piles in six inches so she can sweep way around Right, uh Like she can be fighting twice as well And pretenders has other like you can double stack command trait So she can be doing like a strength of godhood where she didn't triggers the extra d3 punch With all that and like those claws hitting on twos re-rolling wounding on twos is um It's good. Oh, that'll work I like it The problem is she still made a paper and we'll just like a ko ship will We'll laugh at you and just explode you off the table before you ever did anything worth worth a darn All right, and then lastly the scarlet cavalcade, uh All right, so this is for god seekers obviously at the start. I this All right, i'm gonna read this here we go We can do this go on at the start of your charge phase if two friendly scarlet cavalcade god seekers host units that Each have 10 that each have 10 or more models Are within six inches of each other Oh god, you can make one charge roll to determine the charge distance for both units in that phase When do you make this decision the start of your charge phase? Make the army Like first of all the number of units in your average slanesh army that number and 10 or more In an army in an army. I've ran is zero should be zero. I've never had a unit of ten or more period So says it should say two demonet units Two demonet units or ten or more seekers if you're insane for you you madman you singular madman out there Uh, well, yeah, it doesn't say heating that keyword. So you can have uh some marauders, I guess Sure. Yeah, it could be exactly it would be like The real play here is yes. You would do seekers or god seekers or something that you'd mark them You'd mark uh marauder slanesh and then use their use the marauders nine plus. Yeah The other unit in right. Yeah, so your chaos warriors or knights are also automaking the charge, right? That's actually the use of this joking right like you could do And and you do the war queen who gads the three inches of the charge I mean, you don't need to at that point. It's fine. But sure you're sitting at like nine inches But the knights and the marauders are within six inches of each other You just use the you roll the one roll which is like the you use Assumingly you get to use the rules off the marauder thing although I'll say that probably needs to be FAQed Right like do you get to when you're are you just making one generic charge roll? Or can you still call to the special rules on the marauder scroll? Right. Yeah. Good big question the scroll builder just or uh, I'm sorry the chat just um flooded two units of 10 chariots If only you could take chariots in 10s Sure your command ability you can use this command ability to start the combat phase if you do so Pick one host holy within 12 of the hero till the end of that phase if the unmodified save roll For an attack that targets that unit is six the attacking unit suffers one mortal wound After all the attack has been resolved a very nergly ability. Okay, whatever Don't care. All your stuff dies if you get attacked. So that's fine. But uh, you know cool I mean not terrible for just like big, uh, if you had big slanesh ks warrior blocks or something that can be actually kind of fun um And then your command trait you can reroll battle shock tests for friendly scarlet cavalcade and god seeker host units holy within 12 this general Okay And your artifact is add one to the bravery characteristic of friendly scarlet cavalcade god seeker host units while they're holy within 12 Well hot to do The god seekers one's bad by the way I Don't know At chat that max unit size is three. So uh, you you can fit it on the table. You just gotta Chat is like trying to wrap their brain around how to fit them on the table The face size is too big So, yeah, I mean like I like the invaders when I like the pretenders when the god seekers one is bad There you go. We won't pretend that you like the god seekers one. Got it. Yep I can't be a pretender. I like the god I don't like the god seeker. Sorry. Uh, all right. So there you go So gentlemen, would you like to talk a little bit about the narrative of this book? And then let's close it out. We can we can do we can do a few minutes on it Let's talk about some awesome bone daddies. Okay, so we will I'll warn everybody right now that we're gonna do some spoilers for this story So if you don't want any spoilers if you want to read it for yourself, that's fine If you are gonna leave then I'll do my thing. Please give a like now that helps other people find the video and stuff like that So do that before you leave. Otherwise Thank you very much. Okay, and then here we go. Now. Let's talk narrative Three two one narrative talk Uh, so what did you guys think of this story overall who wants to who wants to give me a some summation of what happened in this story? I'll put you back. I did not see that coming. That's super surprising, right What sorry, what'd you just ask who wants to give a little wrap up of the story? Like who wants to just be like kind of give me an overview the overview like the full overview or like broad strokes give me a pair broad strokes Yeah, yeah, this is okay. So negash takes this opportunity because archon is searching for slanesh And negash wants to send his undead armies into the eight point and he does so by Getting catacross to put together an invasion force, which he sends lady all under and the night haunt through first through there's A realm gate that is called the end gate that connects the eight points to shyish And they've long been sending chaos forces through the end gate and negash is like i'm sick of this now Uh, they send the night haunt through And over this just is on the outside We don't need to play my place. Okay. That's what i'm saying. I don't know how how how much we do in here We're doing everything. No, you're good. You're good. Keep going about this level So the night haunt go through and then yeah, give me about that level like we don't need to blow by blow the battle and uh Yeah, they What happens? Yeah, they take it. Yeah, they take it. Yeah, they move forward a little bit chaos, uh sounds a big Alarm to try and stop them And they push back the night haunt, but they fall into catacross's trap And then he destroys all these chaos armies But instead of pursuing them all the way to the variance fire He turns car height into the arcs terminus, which is now An uh a death fortress and they now have control of this realm gate Yes And from there then catacross marches all the way up to the eight points an arc Hound finally gets back in time to find everything screwed up. They have a massive battle and arc hound wins catacross is sent back to whatever Bone reaper spirit factory that he is uh remade and get reforged Yeah, but he'd like the glow that arc hound did to him. He actually feels still even though he's not supposed Even in his reconstituted form. Yes, this is where we learned that like this is going to be one of those things where because That the so so yeah, that's that's a very good overview, right? There's lots of fun little elements in here Um, I do like that cast dwarves get a a shout out that they have like a foundry city That like catacross just steam rolls without stopping you get they get like a paragraph of him just blasting this thing to bits And it's just like yep And there were cast dwarves and then they all died because catacross is super pimp and cast dwarves are not Yeah, don't buy them Not a real thing only for twirls But the the interesting part was yes that that that fortress Uh, that it's now the what the arc arcs Terminus or whatever. Yes Uh is now catacross a stronghold. There's some really cool sort of ways like just it's neat how they talk about him building it out and building up like his bone factory and uh They talk about a lot of war machines that aren't actually in the army, but they're still but like Narratively they use all these different ballasty and stuff like that Which is cool In the in the full color photo section of the book. There is some terrain That looks a little bit like plastic Kit terrain Oh, this goes back and forth online where everybody's always bugging gw community team and they're like is this Is this a real is it coming out? It is not Yeah, it is something it's just stuff. They have masterful terrain builders. I'm sure that's what it is Well, I'm yeah, I'm without a doubt But I guess what I'm saying is that like there's a railing in that that kit that is I mean, it's probably clearly um You know 3d printed or whatever it is that that look because it looks super not homemade But it looks like it's in the That's what I'm looking for in terms of the quality of the design of it It it's perfectly an aesthetic alignment or artistic alignment with the faction train that's coming up And um, that's the I was looking for the page number so that you can sync up with me on this one But uh, just to examine it it's it is Yeah, that's the piece i'm talking about jack. It's on page 36 if you get the book um on the left side Right now I it's the best conspiracy theory because I keep seeing this discussion online about like when do we get to buy this? Yeah, and then people and the community team is just like no like Yeah, this isn't a kit. Yeah, it is a super cool piece of terrain like that's for sure Formal water what an artist in our garage who's just going nuts right now building amazing things um Anyway, yeah, I like I want I couldn't let this conspiracy this conspiracy theory go um It's also on page 70. It's It's a let me just describe it. It's a castle wall. I held up the picture for everybody Yeah with this amazing um Like skull. Yeah this huge skull gate Yeah, it's super great how they described the arcs terminus that like It was you know this chaos fortress car height and then catacombs are just like no we're gonna just put bones all over it and then all Bone shapers like all the mortisans just reform it Yeah, just the way that they do like their soldiers but on this like grand scale of restructuring This chaos fort into a bone reaper fort right and Yeah, there's another picture of 73. So the tower is clearly that looks pretty homemade, but like the rest of it Well that yeah That terrain was in their their book Like that that terrain was in the the obr book originally and they like that's That's the one that I had said that hey like there looks like we're getting trained, you know from the video And they're like nope nope nope and they shut us down like three months ago four months ago Or or even more than that. I guess at this point it's five months ago And so that's all just the same stuff they're reusing he sounds super convinced and um, you know, this isn't tomb kings 2.0 I I want to be wrong. Let me say Yeah, I want you to be wrong too. I want like if they're watching they need to Consider it seriously get some casco and you start this is incredible So there's a couple there's a couple narrative moments. I really want to hit on here in this story One is not part of the cataclysm invasion But it's when archaeon goes to free slanesh. That's a super awesome conversation between the two of them because like slanesh Him herself and archaeon have a sort of discussion like he he is one who's not really cowed by By the chaos gods and so he can sort of openly have a conversation with his being of ineffable power, right? and It's a cool scene, but what I love about it is how stupid the elves are Okay So like Obviously archaeon just shows up with his with his with his swords of chaos and just steam rolls the luminous I like seeing them lose a battle before they even exist. That makes me laugh Nice One two The whole idea of the chains that bind Uh slanesh in place are these like paradox chains It's supposed to be like impossibilities To break the chains, right? Well, first of all, somebody needs to relook up like what paradox means But anyways, like the whole point is this one can only be, you know, slanesh is like, oh Only a servant of corn could break that chain He's the only one with the power the elves knew that my brother would never come to save me And then like dork lands and just use his corn head and snaps the thing in half in two seconds And is like well handled that problem paradox done get it out of here Child can give me a name as human child Are you telling me the archaeons riding a luck dragon? Yes, yes, like I just I love how the elves have no conception of this like they made that and they were like Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute Doesn't the lord of the apocalypse have a mount that has like a corn head on it? Wouldn't that break this? No, of course teclas didn't think of this as always He continues to be the worst the least for thinking wizard who's just it I read that and I was just like, of course of course If only he could have predicted Like as I was reading the text as soon as slanesh said Only corn's servants can break this chain. I was like, oh so dorgers just gonna bite it in half and then like, you know Yeah, half a paragraph later. There it was So like if I thought of it in half a second, you know, come on Anyway, um The and then and then archaeon gets called away because he knows that the eight points in trouble And and he's like odd darn it and they'll move him because they can move slender like the elves can move slanesh's entire Prison in the gloamling. So he's like, well, they'll repair the damage I dealt and move him I know where he is now roughly, but I'll have to go find him again and he gets kind of annoyed Yeah, I love that. I haven't closed it yet I really like that part of the story too because even though yeah, that's not the the main story of Caterpher's invading the eight points that to me is the story that's left the most open for either Another book or even just the lumeneth book is how tirion and teclis respond to Archeon just flew in here broke or killed like all of our dudes and broke the chain What are we gonna do about this? Right? I mean, it clearly shows why the lumeneth come forth Right because they realize they can't just hide here anymore They've been they've been found and now it's time to go on the on the offensive You move it hostage and then you go. Yeah, you go fighting Uh You know most of the actual battles are pretty rote straightforward stuff just meant to set up battle plans like the fights throughout there It's a lot of back and forth. It's interesting enough Uh, cataclysm is shown to be like an excellent tactician Through like when he's fighting morons basically Like he's not sun zoo because he's fighting just like demented mad lunatics Um, the only the only chaos hero who was portrayed to have any brains in their head Is the dark oath war queen who they're clearly building up as a character because she survives the whole thing She's two campaign books. Yes. Yeah, she survived two campaign books now. Yeah, that's right and uh And so they like You know, there's It's like yes, cataclysm is really good at predicting how effectively like hordes of unthinking Mad men act is what it comes down to You know bite me in this canyon next to a river of like boiling metal or something Yeah, yeah, exactly and then and then a huge cliff that drops into you know into nowhere So but you know for the most part he's shown to have what it's it's interesting because he has a lot of like tactical prowess Lady olander gets chumped in there too. I don't remember her brings her down, but it's like um But somebody ends up uh Killing her off. Oh, it's belacor. Oh, that's right. Yep. You're right. It is belacor And Uh, I mean it doesn't matter. She comes back because you know it goes to reform but The interesting part is like cataclysm uses all these tactics and then he effectively has this big zanatos gambit Right where he's seeing how far in he can push before archion comes back and then like archion comes back and just Handles it just immediately There's no Like cataclysm the whole story is cataclysm being like very careful making these like really measured moves of like Choosing each battleground carefully aligning his forces. He has like false Fronts false retreats all over the place, right? Like he's portrayed to be very Tactical and he has to be to win Right because several times the sort of tide turns against him before he sort of brings it back But then archion comes in and does not bring tactics. He's just like nope. I'm back All my people are here kill all those guys and he just like flies in and just like nope dead There you go. That's it for that handled this So you're saying he marries Susan I mean archion is just he's portrayed to be this sort of unstoppable force of nature in there, right? Like Cataclysm sort of acts like a general would have to act and then archion just swoops in and is like nope I'm done with this. I'm done with all this nonsense. I'm chaos bitches. Yes He does have two red now so I can see that That's a really good point. It's a really good Yeah, once you once you have two red you're you're super good so Yeah Well, the mathematicians have come back on that one After a long time a call back in the business So, yeah, I mean overall it was cool because it did set up that now death has a a foothold In the eight points, right that they have this big unassailable fortress Um that you you do believe given it that even archion and his forces would have extreme difficulty assaulting um, and he would have to commit massive forces to to actually peel cataclysm back out of there And I like that Uh, you kind of get that you get some nice moments with cataclysm. You just see more of his character I think than anybody else is he's actually like the The protagonist of the story as it was. Yeah, right Yeah, I mean if after reading the description of the eight points in the war cry lore, um It is such a desolate and you know, uh blurred realm between You know the the realities the cal the calcification of magic Which is they're now the new realities and the realm of chaos And just to have death go in there just kind of sit there is is Cool. I mean, it's it's not the the typical Oh and the storm hosts have a by a shining bastion of light that the free folk will no no no It just places awful horrible. It's toxic death or it's killing you there's a statue that says memes all the time Talking again. It sounds just like mrs. Linnage voice I just like what that part of the story does too then to just give you that nudge of like where Where you want to place your games? So yeah, yeah playing versus chaos now You have rules for the eight points But now you've got that like you feel more part of what's going on If you're like, well now I can send my death army through the arcs terminus and go rampage into the eight points So that's yep a new cool thing that I wouldn't have you know thought to do in less You know games workshop told me I should right. I hope some people do pick up and use the the realm rules for Uh The realm rules for the eight points. I think it's a cool addition like a lot of tournaments use the realm rules I think it's perfectly usable Because the command ability basically will do or sign up the command ability the the spell does nothing If you're not using the the roaming spells or whatever. So who cares that's fine It's just that's just a non thing and you don't have to worry about it great The command ability is cool because it works with all in the spells and does a cool thing and more or less All of the realm abilities are really neat like there's one where All of the everybody can run in charge all the time Right, but if anybody runs in charges, they take d3 mortal wounds after the charge is resolved like what a cool Like that's a super cool, uh realm ability there Like uh, that's really interesting and how that works for the game. So Yeah, I I think that's cool. I like the eight points as a setting I like that we cracked it open that it's not just the realm of chaos because once that once the gate's open Like this you mentioned other people can come into now Right like narratively once it's not sort of this hegemonic control now. There's gaps because when too big You know things are fighting other people can then sneak around the edges a lot, right? Right, you can send fleshier courts through leeches and a gash. We'll go through now, right? Yeah, do any So I like all of that. Um I wish I we got a little more time actually just like with catacross not fighting just talking I like this sort of epilogue at the end because yeah, he walks into like a hall that has like 30 of his bodies Right and he's like keep at it. I'm gonna need more I'm gonna get splattered all over the place so many times in this in this campaign You know because he was sort of testing what archaeon was capable of basically Yeah, and chat mentioned that too that it hints that he wanted to see the full forest just to measure him Yes, uh, well, he was he did he he measured him real hard and then Right into the ground I was today days old when I learned how How hard he hits? Yes, exactly Uh, he got set back to his spawn point. He got hit so hard like He did he spawned Yeah, catacross is basically playing an mmo now at this point like he's invading and he He's gonna keep going until he dies and then can respawn Definitely as a raid boss. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah As someone who's desperately trying to paint night haunt for adepticon Uh, it did feel very motivating Just the the way they're portrayed in the story like they're Especially their initial assault. Oh, yeah Terrifying and overwhelming. I thought that was really cool. And then lady elinda gets the uh gets the kill on lord saskarid Yeah, the lord on carcadrack who just like she shows him his face and explodes his heart Or she shows him her face and his heart explodes in his chest Yeah, that's a great moment. I did dig that Stand ahead I do love how the cheater by the way on the cast side and the whole story is a gaunt summoner of zinch Who's just floating around causing problems all time and as soon as he sees the fortress is lost He like takes his silver tower and bounces. He's like This is lost. Bye Everybody else has to die but nope not that dude as usual they end up being the bad guys So, yeah, um overall, I think this book is is really worth it. I'm super happy with this Uh, obviously I play a lot of different chaos armies. So this has like a high value to to me because I have everything except nergal It's this video. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. This is this is very much written for me Uh, but I'd love to see another one of these Um, you know come like q3 or something. I think that'd be great I would actually it's clearly going to be destruction Sure fine with that Is that a prediction? Do we have a mean? I mean, it's just logic Because uh, we've had like an order release with firestorm We had malign portons. We had a death campaign focus and now we've had The all points basically which is mostly chaos focused. So probably destruction's next Okay, so what's his name trying to invade azer like a dumb dumb gourd rack trying to invade azer probably Right or or or he just takes that big ram that can knock down anything and starts knocking down doors in the all points Like he just shows up. I'd love if he got that and like he he was like, you know what azer's not worth it I'm just busting through the all points. We're getting into this. Look at all these lads. There's lots of good crumping over here Let's go. Look at all this this fight, you know And he's like, okay, uh, let's go for the baron's fire or whatever like maybe he just gives a base here He's like i'm taking the baron's fire. Let's do this. Yeah in the yellow then They hold their their they Uh hold their gate that connects to the all right Like destruction holds their gate to the realm of uh beast or whatever Right, but that's not what we're talking about. No, I understand We're talking about like because like what's better than the green tide and by invading like a realm It's invading all of them. Yeah, I get it like them pull it pouring into the all points and then just spilling into all the Yeah, like running through the gates like scooby-doo in the old cartoons when they would go like door to door It's just them running that ram from like out of gir and then over into Into hi-ish and then coming out a different portal and then running back into wil-gu and then over into shai-ish They're just like just start that music as they go back and forth. Yep. Yeah. Yep Excellent. All right, any final thoughts from the re-rolling ones crew? Uh We we don't you want to plug Yeah, plug away anything you want to say Improval Oh campaign is um, yeah pretty soon. We're gonna be starting a new Uh, we're gonna be trying a campaign on our channel Um, you focused around a storm vault called the ember vault. It's kind of just something like We've been working on for a couple months and haven't been able to get off the ground yet We'll be something new and excited to look forward Definitely starting in marsha Tune in I'm gonna try something new and it's gonna be fun britain has worked overtime on this. I want to thank you He's uh, he's a writer and he wrote some great, uh, lore and stuff and I'm really excited about it The whole channel is excited about it. So, uh, yeah checks out march, but But I guess as this relates then to like the uh, the book to like putting that together Like the rules that we're gonna use for that now with wrath of the ever chosen to thinking about like future campaigns I feel like this book has Offered a lot of new stuff to play with that I think we'd be looking forward to using in other campaigns too So I'm glad that this material is, you know, presumably going to start coming out from games workshop that if we're going to start kind of doing this You know We're going to start doing more campaigns then they're going to keep, you know offering material that's going to help that Yeah, nice Dig it for jazz. Yeah in this book. Yeah, I give it a uh a solid a I agree for archaic Archeons All right, everybody. Well, thank you very much There he is. There's a big boy himself ready to smash catacross to pieces All right, everybody. Thank you very much for watching. We certainly appreciate it. 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