 I'm compiling the the application wait you talk you compile you're compiling the application Yeah, because it's an a you are application, right wasn't it or shouldn't have already been installed Serving your repository Uninstalled the old version to install the new one so I'm waiting for the new one to compile Okay only 17 megabytes so That's 70% there never network manager is 72 megabytes and it takes about an hour to compile on Matt's computer We are alive So welcome to everybody who's who's watching if you're in the chat We're we're gonna get started here in a few minutes once Steve starts, you know, that's compiling gen 2 If we could get some yeas or nays on the audio, this is me saying some words Tyler some words, please This is me saying words words words. Thank you for those highly inspiring and Yeah, and I think I already said some words after you hit the go live button So, you know, just want just saying words for confirmation. Yeah, and Steve some words Hey, the force be with you. I wasn't creepy at all Just a deep and sultry voice in the background. I I have Audacity up and running And I have all of the links open in a in a VM here It was the last episode of Picard. We're never going to see Picard again. Oh, dude. Did he die? Oh But we won't get any more Picard TV show I was really hoping you would just like accidentally spoiled the entire show like if he did died just like accidentally be like, oh, yeah, he does I'm not a spoil. I'm not a spoiled brat. Anyway, I'm ready compiled done installed updated. Okay I'm gonna work before we move before we move on and Steve. I apologize if this offend you But don't shout into your mic, please I Don't offend me at all. Is it good that way? No, no, no, you went the entire opposite direction. We need middle middle ground. Just Middle ground is good. Yeah, just talk normal. You'll be good You just you just like in my you spike in my headphones and all of a sudden like, whoa, whoa, there's Steve How are you doing Steve? I need to switch over to the correct YouTube channel here. So it's a is this okay? Yes Okay It really is okay. You just get very excited. You're a very excited fellow sometimes you put some emphasis on words It just you know spikes Hey, okay teacher. I wouldn't don't have to whisper Okay, boss, I will not like the microphone. I'm getting a knock on Dora be right back He's like okay boss, I will not spike the microphone Thank you Welcome. All right fullest and then Josh has gone by Josh The blah-ham welcome bonjour salut tout va bien oui I'm very confident that Amazon knows how to package a seven hundred dollar part in a bag. Yeah, they did the same thing with mine Just saying Just throwing in a plastic bag. It's good Not even one of the bubble-wrapped bags. Nope All right, oh well, all right, so you guys all have your recording software available and ready to go it is available Okay, ma'am sir I'm gonna hit record in audacity I'm gonna record I've seen wave life changes. So yes, and Steve Batman Time to do the claps whenever you're ready All right Your fingers ready Okay, three two one That wasn't even fucking close First of all, I think we're all distracted by the jazz hands. They're Tyler Thank you. You're welcome. I wasn't even looking at the video feed. So Doesn't explain why you were the latest of all of us Wait, wait, hold on How How do you do the class without looking at the video feed? That's a good question I clap on presumed zero. I always have There's a visual component What's the point of the countdown then? So it doesn't come out of nowhere Like scary movie for it's fine. You'll fix it post you'll fix it and post I'm sure it'll be fine. I think you possibly go wrong I don't look at the video feed. I'm pretty what I do that. I only have one screen right now I'm pretty sure the last two times we've done a podcast. I've had to use the OBS recording so Make it nice make it three out of three. It's gonna be fine. I'm sure it's great. Okay, so Where do I need to go here? I have way too many things open? Okay? Ready to go guys. I Guess yeah, all right. Yes, sir. Me then Josh then Steve then Tyler will do in a different order this time Things how the clap wasn't even close to being anywhere. It doesn't really matter Hey everybody, welcome to the next cast I'm your host Matt and I'm Josh I'm Steve. Oh And I'm Tyler. It's really it was really weird having Tyler go last. I'm just saying I almost saw him speak up there He's so used to going second like and then he's in last place It was it was just it just felt really weird like two years of him going second, you know, okay This is the Linux cast in case you didn't notice This is a place where that it's a safe place where the fellas get together And we talk about Linux and open-source software and we never have any tangents whatsoever It's never happened right that that's that my memory is correct in that right great Installed if 27th your band, okay It's pronounced flat pack dude, okay, I have 37 flat packs installed too. Are you still using bedrock? No That was an interesting thing last night. Anyways, the Linux cast really cool thing last night That VM still works. That's great That wasn't a tangent it didn't count, okay, I'm just saying it didn't okay. Anyways so we're gonna talk about some news we got some good news to talk about and Things that have gone on in the last two weeks. I do apologize for there not being an episode last week That was my fault. I had a doctor's appointment But anyways, we're back. We're ready to go. We're better than ever And we're gonna start off with as we usually do the things we've done in open source this week So Steve you can go first. What do you do? What have you done this week? Well, I Started by the week by having what I thought was COVID I was bedridden for nine days was one the other part was Micro, I don't know what you call it my macro micro managing the zero Linux Discord server They had to do some moderation Yes, we did we're reworking basically we're reworking the core team. I had a lot of people a part of the core team Role which didn't need to be there but the to summarize the the the Doing a lot of restructuring and I've been working on on Zero Linux because the release is coming up on May 15th second anniversary. I can't believe I've been doing this for two years but a lot of back-end work and I was Reading up on Fedora because I am interested in GNOME and the only way that people keep convincing trying to convince me is best way to try GNOME is Fedora. I was into that and the We're working on on the ABS ABU tool ABU from Aladdin. No, it's not the monkey from Aladdin. It's a tool a arch Utility So I got a lot of news But I talked about them on my podcast so no need to talk about them here But the suffice it to say I learned a lot of new things and I learned about and curses learned about Not the existence of anchors as I know and I knew it existed But because I you the first time I installed arch was using arch pie, which is an anchorses installer, but Because that will come soon to zero Linux. But yeah, I learned I learned a lot of things and the Well now zero Linux is only KDE the the spins They only exist for the sake of existing. They don't really matter to me The only official zero Linux is KDE is KDE. Yeah, so Xfce version anymore, or did you give up on it? It's out. It's a community rebuild. It's basically just like the man heart man Jara's community editions You were gonna you were gonna call it man. Harrow. Weren't you? I was I was just about to They exist for the users who prefer those but they're stuck basically I just applied an icon thing That's why they're called spins because they're everything that zero Linux is underneath They just reskinned and change the desktop environment. They will not move. They will remain what they are. That's it I'm not touching those they exist for those who want to use them The only official version of zero Linux is KDE everything else doesn't matter. They want the they want the others They can use them, but that they are what they are there. I'm not modifying them But yeah, we're reworking a lot of things under the hood and it's gonna take a while Today was the last episode of season two of the podcast because Fortunately, I need to restructure my own life Good to be able to bring the users more of zero Linux Need to find a job. I need to find a place to stay be where I'm where I want to work Which is Greece so all that needs time. So I need a break So, yeah, that's what's going on in in zero Linux land So, yeah, okay the day is coming on. All right, Josh. What have you been doing this weekend? I've had a very productive week first of all I've been working on a project that I'm going to be discussing later and In the meantime, I've also been working on like some back-end infrastructure for like my own content where she's like as soon as I like Push a commit message to this get server that I set up for myself It'll automatically post like stuff stuff to YouTube pure to as well as like my discord server I'm doing a lot of back-end infrastructure work for my And it's been an experiment Because you know, I am not much of a programmer and yes, I'm doing everything in Lua like you What could be worse you could be using YAML? Could be using you the guy from your your distro hacking last night really really likes YAML He was not happy with me when I said I mean I mean that that's big pot. It's just what he does YAML yummy Oh food related He was right though if you have an IDE that you know handles the spaces and stuff for you VS code has amazing YAML support unlike them where basically you just edit you're doing everything in YAML Manually unless you install like a specific plug in which I'm not gonna mess with them plugins I do everything in them and I'm and I'm not installing a plug in just for YAML. I don't use it that often Yeah, that said I have I found a new text editor for myself It's called Kate which is the world's greatest text editor. It is awesome is very good. We agree We have dropped VS code We have left E max in the dust and we all we still only ever use them on our server in an SSH session I'm sure if you wanted to More dependencies than VS code would More individual packages but with with when you bundle up all the dependencies along with Kate itself It's actually a smaller package size So whereas VS code is 356 megabytes because you know you're pulling in all the electron stuff Kate is only about the 78 Then you probably already had some of the Katie stuff on your system, too So well, I am using KDE plasma right now. So yes, basically I already have everything I need for K Like I never have a problem pulling all the stuff down for crusader because I I may or may not be packaging Kate right now for a distribution You made certain someone happy by using KDE Well, we're using KDE right up until we install the Intel media driver and then watch it completely break up break our entire operating system because KDE Well, I just I just learned that The only reason I was hating on Wayland or not being able to use Wayland was because I wasn't using SDDM get You know that they were We're saying from get Before I keep going into an eventually derailing until like my first news item I'm sure and Zany actually did something this week because you know, he actually posted a video. I was getting there. Oh Yeah, Tyler remembered he had a YouTube channel this week, by the way Don't don't whine A lot of people wanted to join my live stream and and chat Like yesterday and I was like, no, no, I just I just want to hang out like try to focus on What little I can do I don't very ended up blabbering Yeah I mean it was an AMA stream. So other than making videos. What have you been doing this week in open source? Well, I Went back to arch My good old classic home It just pure old like little vanilla arch I Went with a encrypted butter FS install this time. It's pretty freaking nice Like with a nice level encryption or not encryption. I mean, yes, I do have an encryption, but compression. There we go Makes it real nice and also Went wayland in hyperland It's been real freaking ass turns out wayland actually works Yeah For everything. I think we were I think we were talking about it before we went live but The only issue that I have is in Caden live and again This is not a real issue at all, but in Caden live next to the like player It's the dead space there before you resize it and make the player like the video take out the full size of the player That's transparent. So I can see my wall just my wallpaper unblurred and everything just like right behind it Again, not that big of a deal. I really don't give a shit because I just resized and it goes away. So, yeah Yeah, that's pretty much What I've been up to hyperland has been real nice Might do a live stream later on with Steve and talking with everybody in discord just bullshitting because I really don't have anything to do today and My family is my sister is drunk. She started drinking pretty much right at midday And my mom has taken Some edibles that we got from a store down the street. So they're both just destroyed out there Okay, so for me, I have several things I could possibly talk about I'm gonna leave the red core stuff for a blog post but just Needless to say I have failed the six month Linux challenge I did for the record make it way longer than Josh. Um, so win there But but I had a hard way of failure. All right Devion doesn't like anything that was made this year and I and I had a Matt as an idiot failure. So whatever and I also it doesn't I have other things to say I'll talk about the red core stuff in a blog post but the other thing that I Guess I should just I went and hopped to archcraft. So I'm back on an arch based distro. I Not I I'm not sure if I will end up staying here or not. I'm I Don't know what we'll see. I've got everything. I got everything set up I will say it is nice to have they you are back I didn't realize how much I'd missed the you are and tell I actually came back to it But I I don't know. I'm happy enough. It seems to be stable. I'm having some issues with audacity where like I'm getting some really weird errors when I try to launch it. So I'm not exactly sure what's going on there Also, the UI looks really really wanky. So I'm not sure Use ocean audio use ocean audio you for just a minute here because I just went to archcraft's website And they have the world's greatest first sentence in a description Archcraft is just another lynx distribution made on top of arch Linux There's another there's another certain arch-based distribution that should say something similar Just saying that thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Josh. Thank you Josh. Thank you All right, anyways, that's that's really all I need to say there's other things that I could talk about but we'll just go ahead and move on So um, let's go ahead and jump into the news Josh. You can go first. Oh I can go first for once. All right It turns out that the Linux experiment put out a video But apparently it didn't check his news feeds because just earlier that same day that the solace Team decided that they were gonna post out a new blog post saying that hey, we're not a dead distro and I can and of course I've been I've been working with the solace team and I'm in like their matrix room Just watching like the development chat and all that they've actually already got got a Brand-new fresh repository being served over over a CDN network. So And they've pushed out the 44 package updates. They're working on compiling things now including a new ISO Which last I checked They're on like their fourth rebuild of the ISO image because it was because of vicious that they've been noticing with it But they should be pushing like a new release That way they can have it like a modern installation media and not something that's using a 5.16 colonel Eventually, it's going to be re-based on serpent OS. Yeah Eventually it will be moving to a serpent OS base But that's still good But that we're still looking at like maybe two or three years potentially before that even happens That's just because of how new it knew a serpent OS. Okay, I have so many thoughts on this But first of all, let me make very clear that I haven't used solace in at least two years Maybe even three so it's been a while But so I have no current really knowledge of how the the The operating system functions, but I will say that this is the most dramatic Crew of Maintainers out there and we know Steve right like we know Steve. He's very dramatic, but these guys out do him the crazy they they They've broken up and come back together at least twice They have changed their plans on budgie at least three times at one point They were moving to QT then they went back to they decided to stay with GTK And then they went to now they're planning on going to the EFL libraries, right? That's still a plan, right? Yeah, that's no plan. Okay, and Just to clarify this by the way budgie is the longer maintained by solace, but budgie is its own independent project Okay, yeah, like that for about three years. Well, it hasn't been three years It's been like a year and a half, but or something like that. Yeah, but I That may be true, but this guy who maintains budgie just went back to solace. So That's yeah, well, that's true, right? I mean the so it is true Josh Strobal, which is the guy that you basically see all the blog posts on on from like the Solace webpage Did they'd come back into the project? But he's no long he's not like the primary the developer behind solace anymore They've actually restructured the team so that way there's intentionally no one person that controls everything Yeah, because that's actually been there. There are big issues with this year That was apparently their downfall because one dude had all the yeah, it was a data Drake Which is a woman that lives in ink in England not too far from rock Rochester and their package build server the thing that actually builds the packages that they then serve over the repository Went down due to a hardware failure and the only one who could it never Mandated physical access to it. Well, this was a physical machine It wasn't spot up in a cloud service or anything like that. So and the only one in that relative area was The lead project developer behind solace, which is data Drake So data Drake would have to then go over to well at the same time They were dealing when when the issues first started like when their website went down and all that It was for much the same issue But they had like massive massive snowstorms apparently or something like that So she physically couldn't go and then and then she fell into like a big illness that she didn't really disclose too much It as well as a several other personal life issues that just kind of just Brought the entire project to a freeze as of about two or three months ago. This is my point and uh, okay They've restructured everything that their build services are being provided to them from digital ocean. So and uh, they They now have a full team. They have a committee Like team of eight people that actually have access to like all the all the build This issue won't happen again. No, but at the same time, okay, can I please say something before you keep? Yeah, I just want to I just want to finish what I'm saying is I don't trust them Okay, is my point is they keep making these plans these very grand plans, right? You know moving DFL moving to QT. That's obviously the budget stuff now They're moving to Serpent OS which you freely admit is a huge mungus project I mean, Ike's already been you working on Serpent OS for at least two years and still three years away, right? So I mean and I understand making a distro huge project gonna take some time But I'm just saying they have these grand plans and they've been promising like when that when budgie was part of Solis They promised budgie like was it 12? That was before I started using Linux full-time and that's been Six years ago. Okay, they're still on 11 budgie 11 Yeah, they're on budgie 10 right all right, whatever it was it does it's still it's still the point They have grand plans. I don't trust them to falter now. Maybe they have a better plan this time to actually get there I'm sure the developers behind it have very good intentions and they're not like horrible people or anything It doesn't feel like they've fallen out with each other other than that one time that where they did fall out with each other You know, you know, so this is my problem like guys We go and talk about how Manjaro has all of these like shady things going on in the background that happened all the time You know that you know that fights with their treasurer and the accounting system is all wonky and all this stuff, right? Solace is kind of like that only without the shady part. It just feels like they're Dreamers that don't quite have a plan to get to the dream if that makes sense, right? Hopefully that's a different case this time But that's just the way that I feel that their reputation with me just doesn't feel like they're you know ever gonna get there Yeah, that's that's why I've been partial to but at the same time Historically, I've actually been a solace user before I I love the distribution because you know I love it when you know, they not only are they an opinion to this distribution to what we're like They're actually independent but the the the amount of polish that they put into like not only like the gooey interface of the system but like all the Underlaying tools and everything is absolutely fantastic. So While technically really there is no real advantage to actually using solace Compared to like another distribution because the repository is super small. I on it They're they're a package repository only has something like 11,000 packages But at the same time with snaps and flat packs, that's not nearly as much of an issue as it as it has been before and Honestly, like I know that you might look at it and just find something that's missing in repository But they have alternatives that that work just as well That said I am I am taking over set several packages and packaging them for updates. Kate being being one of them I'm also working on maintaining a board of backup and I'm even helping them with porting calamaris that way they can have an installer that the isn't hard-coded to only allow EXT-4 as the only file system Yeah, but I would have to Would have to interject on the calamaris part because today on my podcast we discussed What calamaris actually is? Amaris does not allow a lot of flexibility. That's why on zero Linux. We had to come up with with an alternative That because a lot of people keep complaining that whenever they select the install alongside the Windows or alongside another distro it won't allow them to select what file system they want because it's a limitation Why that option even still does anybody know why that option still exists? Some people use it That's why users complain It only works about 30% of the time, right? Yeah. Well, yeah Apparently it works because a lot of users come to me and they tell me I want to install alongside X and Y distro or Windows or whatever It will only use that whatever is set by the as the default file system in my case XFS But they don't want XFS. They want to use butter FS for For a certain distro calamaris for some reason it does not allow that unless you do manual partitioning Which they don't really want to go into they want something without lifting a finger calamaris is a very basic installer It's for the people who don't want to lift the finger. They just want to click next next next and get it over with Why in in the zero Linux? world we are We are working on a on an alternative, which is an endcurses installed which will allow give users a complete freedom Like that's because you're actually using endcurses when uh, you when you've actually got some gooey tools that you've used before Oh And curses because we're we're more familiar and the developer working on the project is He has he's working on two options either endcurses or completely rewrite it in C it's Not even in Python because the arch install we don't want to we don't want to Go through the arch install. We want to do something completely different Giving users complete freedom as to what they can install how they can install compression because For some reason the calamaris doesn't offer compression when you select butter a fast so Can I propose an alternative for you because I believe it is packaged in the in the a you are the yes Oh Yes, this is actually a really great installer It's just got a got a slightly bad user experience to it But you can just do about anything you possibly want to assistant through just yes We're working on our own thing because Full control as to how it works, but that's what I don't want to go completely derail the thing I just wanted to say that opting for calamaris. Yes, it's a good thing But also I'm working on calamaris that way we don't have to write a new one Also, I mean Steve you say that it's not customizable, but it's still way more customizable than like the Biquity installer or whatever It's also way more flexible than the solos installer because it only gives you one option to begin with If you guys have seen the new Was anaconda installer from fedora the things even more simple than anything Ubuntu has so anyways Tyler your first one Okay I Honestly didn't didn't expect me to go next I'm mixing it up this week, man. You can't I'm unpredictable. I'm like a fox. I don't So open CFS that's what we're gonna talk about This is that file system. I'm never gonna use okay. Yeah. Yeah I mean, I don't think I'm ever gonna use it either, but I did kind of think it was and kind of noteworthy that it's finally dropping Python to support and I Honestly do kind of Kind of enjoy hearing this from projects in general no matter what the project is There it is about freaking time that old pipe. I mean especially Python to You Honestly shouldn't be taking really old Python 3 versions either, but Definitely Python 2 this is something that it's about time that projects move forward just I don't know for the sake of like vulnerability like and potential Very bad shit happening to your users Start using modern Python 3 like a especially if you're like making your own little scripts and stuff if you're using Python 2 stop Just stop use Python 3. Yeah They should I'm gonna try CFS one of these days because I'm kind of stuck on butter if that's not stuck isn't like bad thing It's just where Matt but the FS everybody says the FS is good But I don't know if it's if it's good for like On a root file system is from what I've heard it works as a desktop the syntax is like very different from like compared to other file systems you're used to and Like even disc labels are different. So like you're not gonna have a dev SDA You're gonna have like an you're gonna have like a slash device Slash HD something or whatever just like you wouldn't just like a old BSD syntax Yeah, so it's a it's a little awkward. So Personally, I would never I wouldn't take time to set up the FS on like your root file system on a desktop computer But once you know you actually put something in that case that I sent you a few months back You can you can play with ZFS for like a data storage there Yeah, I'll get there before we move on guys can you guys probably aren't watching the stream But if you see if you guys visited for on X without an ad blocker and in recent history This thing is horrible. That's so bad. Like why do you think I'd why do you think there's times where it's just like Before the show I will change everything away from the pharaonics links And we got four of them this week by the way And I'm using a new VM So I haven't had a chance to install you block origin because I'm not signing in to anything yet So I haven't done anything yet and there's one two three four five six ads Just on this one portion of the scroll that I'm on now Because because you know we link to for on it's an awful lot here Have you considered actually subscribing to for on X because the pharaonics subscription does get rid of all the ads and it's only Something like two bucks a month. We're giving them links to their website. That's our support People will all right there. That's that's that's how I'm supporting pharaonics. Also Just a few less ads guys. That's ridiculous That's horrible anyways moving on Who's Steve? Why don't you go next? I'll go and my neck my news article is very simple. My first one is fedora 38 is out with no 44 quite a simple News article it doesn't go over too much It's just have experienced it. I have installed it in a VM I ever installed fedora on their metal, but It's a good experience. No 44 has come a long way from What I thought they were They further than I expected them to and Just just like this tapas thing in the And the quick settings where For background apps you cannot act on them. You can just close them. That's it And sometimes apps would show I noticed that while using it sometimes you notice apps showing up twice Like discord for for example, sometimes for no reason it shows twice in the in the background apps No reason But I use the extensions that I I started testing some some extensions functionality on not GNOME 44 because as usual arch and no and GNOME it takes two months three months to get the latest GNOME on arch So I started testing various extensions that I use on zero Linux GNOME edition GNOME spin, sorry They work they work fine and Thanks to my fellow friend GNOME friend He showed me a few extensions that are really awesome. There's one called top hat It's an amazing resource monitor that stays in your top panel. It's a clone of one that exists on Mac That's called I stats but Everything works. It just works As long as you stick to Advaita and we noticed I noticed me and Him and I noticed something about the latest GNOME 44 when the latest the the later versions of GNOME 43, which is 43.4, I think or for 3.5. I don't remember is Whenever you start using themes notice a little bit Not everyone knows it notices it but the most people with lower end Not very low end, but towards the low end they would notice a lot of Haviness to the system out lag not stuttering. It's just they noticed that the whole Desktop environment interacting with things is Heavier than usual as soon as you undo everything and uninstall everything and you stick to Advaita Dark or light I don't know who's crazy enough to stick to light but it Just flies Okay, Josh. Okay. I shouldn't have asked that question but It flies on as long as you stick to Advaita it flies its performance is Just don't install themes Well, for some reason they're not pretty well optimized or something it causes heaviness and I don't know how I should categorize it I noticed it in the VM more because my VM is set to 16 gigabytes of RAM and the 8 of my CPU cores Are you sure that you're installing GTK for themes or are you still using GTK for GTK 4 or kiss is one of them Does it do the same thing using? Gradients or whatever it's called Ford does actually support theming for non non live out way to applications The only thing gradients effects is live out why the applications I said the only thing that said if you're using a gnome as your desktop operating system or desktop environment I mean you should install the a DW Dash GT3 package and just use that as like your GTK 3 yeah Because that way everything just looks like it's native integration except for QT applications Which doesn't always look like crap on them anyway. Yeah, and they did well unlike KDE who tries to make GTK applications look good on plasma. You know, I'm don't give a fuck Yeah, exactly, but Overall Another thing I loved about the fedora 38. Ah, you can enable the complete black bag You have to opt-in yeah during installation lighted. It's a button in the installer. It's called enable third-party Repositories and that will not only enable flat but it will enable RPM fusion as well for your system And it's good. It's good and another thing I love about gonna make silver blue so much better There is another thing that the They mentioned in a post after that is that they're working on a new RPM Package manager an upgrade to the RPM. Oh, yeah, they talked about that for about a year. They're they're rewriting it completely Rewriting it completely and it apparently is gonna be way faster than the current one a DNF 5. Yes, DNF 5 is fantastically fast. I Was using it last week until like this week happened Yeah, overall fedora 38 is perfect, it's like no 44 is good and if I weren't an arch simp or Or a maintainer of an arch-based distro, I would use Fedora 38 I wouldn't have a problem with it if I As long as I had an AMD card not an idiot card because Okay, so my story I'm gonna go ahead and move on to then mine. I by the way, this is say that I Think I want to try Fedora 38, but we'll see how that goes. Anyways moving on to mine So I'm I don't know why I always choose the steam deck Articles thing is how I'm like the person least likely to use my steam in the world But anyways, Microsoft has been experimenting with a deck friendly handheld mode for Windows And the reason why I put this in here is just because I wanted to say Hands off or steam deck Microsoft you piece of shit Steam deck is actually not the first one of these devices that are like handheld a Full PC gaming gaming systems. There's that there's actually been a market for like Around eight years or so right now. Yeah, well, no, you were completely right But Matt's point is also just as right the only reason those devices have been around for a long time And they've they've had their own market. It's been a small market, but it's existed And now they're trying to put their grubby little fucking hands on it because we've got a steam deck Finding a little competition Like look if Microsoft can get it cannot give a shit about an entire like subset of the market for years There's no reason that now they should start. Oh, like now Here's the difference here's the difference any would you want to buy the Microsoft product or the product of valve That that valve publishes that they advertise that that should work with all of your Things in your steam library which you'll already have anyway because you're gaming on a computer So you probably have steam installed in your system anyway More it's coming. No, I would rather take the stuff that comes from steam for the steam deck. I Mean you can play non-steam games up on the steam deck too. Yeah, no, well, yes, you can't no No, what I'm saying is like for like the actual like operating system and like stuff being optimized for the device I would much rather have it come from the manufacturer then from Microsoft who is in this like in this scenario completely a third party I mean if you have some of those older devices this Really all like as far as I can tell from this it's more of like they're gonna be focusing on Making windows more accessible on those type of devices, which is I mean, that's good. That's good But at the same time like I don't think Microsoft is gonna start making a competitor for the steam deck Well, no, they're not there was another announcement that went along with this the AMD's basically Ramping up production of chips that were similar to what's in the steam deck and that's where this is going to come in is that Sure, it's good probably they'll probably get it to a run on the steam deck But nobody's good. I mean nobody in their right mind is going to I'm curious if they're going to put that chip So I so that way can fit in a normal socket. So maybe we can even build have like DIYs I doubt it Sit it would be amazing and honestly it won't increase like production costs by that much Look at the asus ally look at the asus ally I mean like with the with the actual chip like you could build a really Expandable mini ITX very very small for in fact your gaming PC That would be that would be a lot of fun I mean you can still do that with like their desktop like g-chips, but People are talking about the Asus ally that it's gonna be the competitor to the the main competitor to the steam deck It might get cost Little bit more but not by much All right. Well, I don't know I don't never heard of that But I know asus and I know that the little bit more thing is probably not going to be true Everything is this is very very expensive But it's not very expensive, but it does work. Well, I mean Those two things aren't always mutually exclusive if you can charge a lot of money for something that really really works very well Just ask Apple, you know The reason why the steam deck has been Phenomaly successful is because you can buy one for three hundred and eighty dollars, you know That's the reason why right and and that's one of the reasons why like the GP Gpd stuff hasn't taken off and the there's like six other Chinese companies out there that are making these types of dollars and some Like, you know, 12. Yeah, two thousand dollars and and stuff like that And part of those companies also because because it's a somewhat niche product to begin with they they need to be able to like Be able to make enough money back on the device Plus they're putting in like actual desktop intel chips, right? Yeah, that's part of the reason why plus they have to pay Microsoft, you know, two or three hundred dollars for the license or whatever it is these days for manufacturers So that's how they put all that that stuff on it So that's the reason why the steam deck was able to go cheap because you know, obviously they had their own chip It's smaller than not putting a desktop chip in there. They're using Linux They don't pay licensing fees, you know, they did all their hardware manufacturing themselves, so, you know, um, I don't know I'm mixed thoughts on the whole Microsoft thing that they're trying to come and take over yet another Aspect of the market, but they want it a day. It's easier for them to take an aspect of the market Instead of creating the device themselves. Well, I mean that they've never made device Hardly any but I mean people talk about the surface being a successful hardware venture from Microsoft. It It's very few very few people have bought a surface. Um, yeah, okay So it's a really isn't like professional business enterprise. Yeah, they sell it to an enterprise That's the reason why it's considered a billion dollar, you know business for them, but Regular normal consumers don't buy surface laptops. They buy the four hundred dollar one. You can get it best buy, you know And then, you know, that's Normally most people that I know that have surface lap surface like tablets or laptops They bought them Like renewed or like, you know refurbished Like the deal all the refurbish is really good. So they're like, hey, why not? I'll go with it Most people don't look for it and pay a free Oh, yeah Tablet like yeah, I'll pass But it took it took what we talked about we talked about on my podcast too seriously Uh Now there's a new saying instead of saying I use arch by the way Uh Fuck around and find out Uh All right, moving on to the contact information You can find all of our contact information by going to the website, which is at the linuxcast.org there You'll find previous episodes blog posts that when I post them Which is at least usually once a week. Usually I post a blog post once a week Obviously you can get those early if you support me on patreon at patreon.com slash the linux cast Where I release all my blog posts early along with an exclusive podcast every single week It's just me rambling about nonsense usually but you know, whatever You can subscribe to the linux cast at youtube.com slash the linux cast tyler is on youtube Which he he discovered he remembered this right. 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Uh, josh, you can find all of his contact information at tenleej.com slash stalker Steve is on youtube as well youtube.com slash at zero linux with an x not a z You can also find all of the other links for steve on the web on my website You can contact us via email email at the linux cast.org and all of the stuff if you don't want to remember it Is at the linux cast.org slash contact Head on over there and you'll find all of these links along with many many more including the discord server the store Which is any runs and many other things. So that is the contact information. It's the best one that I've ever done so Moving on to the second half of the show where we're going to talk about some more news. So, um, steve Why don't you take us to the next one? The uh, oh, uh, my next one is the new flood hub Finally, it has a it has risen from the beta stages It's a beautiful ui and I locked in I created an account. I locked in I hope it can keep a track of all the applications that I uh download from there So I can remember because sometimes I forget If it has that system Be the happiest man around Uh, but other than that now you can, uh Turn by uh, it has a better filter for applications by developer by, uh Whatever what have you uh paid or a donation supported applications, uh proprietary applications Everything it has a better filter. It's it uses a dark style by default It used the dark theme if your system theme is a dark theme. Yeah, I was thinking I'm looking at it right now It is definitely a white theme Okay, I didn't notice that because I use a dark theme so like as you should as you should But other than that it's well, at least they have a dark theme now. That's I'm using a light theme right now Okay, boss Other than that have they set up the donation stuff that they're working on yet? Or is that still something that they're pushing on later? Do you know? Uh, this uh, I think it's still coming soon Because I haven't seen it, uh, but it's Beautiful I I can understand what I'm looking at now I went to fighthub.org and it just looks like the old website. So maybe it just hasn't pushed out to my region yet You have to click control f5 on your keyboard to refresh the cache Um I haven't refresh the cache It's the new the new one's coming up for me as well. So, um, it looks really nice I'm it's Use flat hub. I I'm a flat back What you call it zealot because I've been using them never had any issues I just So I went to flat I I refresh and and then I see adobe reader is available as a flat pack You know adobe reader is still a thing Apparently Like the only thing would be worse is having adobe air. You guys remember adobe air I didn't even know they had a linux build. Is this just like running through wine or something? Real question is oh my god Click on it dude. Look at the ui Oh my Dude this thing is so fresh up up to date The last changes was there's no changelog And it was 10 years ago Beautiful This is the type of up to date. It's running in an i 386 container. So it's not even the 64 bit build The the screen shots themselves are from when uh from the old Ubuntu stuff the way they don't even use that theme anymore. They do yeah That's the ui. It's great. I love it. It's so fun Oh They they're literally pulling it out of an old ubuntu repository and packaging it up as a flat pack So it is a native linux build from like 10 years ago. Well You the thing the thing is I mean this We make fun But there are some people out there who still want this kind of stuff like they won't use ocular or whatever it is The libre office comes with it. We use pds. What is it draw or whatever? You know, so they want the adobe thing for whatever is because they've been using it on on windows for 20 years and you know So they have to have it and this is the only way to get on the next honestly I'm astonished that there was ever a linux build of it to be honest with you If this thing actually launches on on your modern linux system on like say even a weyland session because this was before weyland was even a thing Uh, that's just proof that that the flat pack containerization actually works Yeah, I mean let's be honest This opening on a modern system shouldn't happen Like it does it probably shouldn't because you know, we we have alternatives today But it's pretty cool that we can do that Yeah, uh to to to to reply to matt When you click on dolphin, there's install and there's donate You can you can donate the developer probably has to Um sign up for it. Oh, yeah the the dino the dino thing for the telegram or whatever the xmpp I think it's just i'll have to have to put into like the flat pack manifest file when they go to publish it Yeah, well, then they probably have to they probably have to sign up for like stripe or something for payments or something Like because they'd have to have a way to accept them because it because it shows for me and euros for for whatever reason Well, because you're close to europe, I know You're you're you're up at jason. I don't know. All right, so let's go ahead But it links directly to kde when you click donate it goes to kde.org Because that's the publisher of the Yeah, so it doesn't go through an internal thing from a flat house Just look at to to the kde It links to it. Probably like the best way that they could do it too. Well, I don't you do you think so because the The problem then there is that if you do you want to donate to several different projects each one you're going to have to have A sign up of some kind in order to you know give the you know If you just had a flat hub account that had access to your paypal or Whatever and then you can just download that way flat hub will then have to actually create like a Well, I actually have to hook into like a cash management system Which none of those are open source by the way True because I doubt that they're going to be accepting cryptocurrencies through flat hub anytime soon I'm just I'm just saying that from a user and then perspective and then on top of that Then they have to deal with like legal issues with With data protections as well as making sure that certain securities are put in place Because you know, you want to make sure that your transactions are like like like josh put it It's it's the best way they or it really is like the best way that they could do it for an open source project Other one because they're going to be putting a lot of work into I'm sure from a development perspective. All right, so let me say this I'm sure from a development perspective. That's exactly 100% true from a user perspective. I'm not sure if it's true Because because For the end user, it's probably not the best case scenario, but this is probably like the best compromise that they could come up with Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, I I don't know. I could I could see both arguments there. All right. Let's go ahead and move on to the next one Josh, why don't you go next? Oh, okay. So for you, uh Holdouts out there that are still using sentos and uh, you you're rebased from sentos 6 to sentos 7 because sentos 7 is Going to be going for a long while Well, uh sentos put out a reminder to everybody that sentos 7 is going end of life next june in 2024 And uh, this is important because uh, if you don't already have your migration plan, you should put it in now Because uh the 2024 date has been known for about six years now Well, yeah, uh, also sentos stream 8 is going to be going end of life Which you're probably not using sentos stream 8 in production anyway. So I don't think that's a very big deal That said, uh, if you're on sentos, uh, you there are alternatives Repositories you can sign up for which are paid access for security updates to like stuff like tux care You can also transition from sentos over to like rocky or all or all my linux if you still want to continue Refusing to pay for red hat or you can just upgrade to red hat itself A lot of people went to rocky and elma, right when this happened a lot of people did that said, uh The biggest issue that I have with a lot of those people is that a lot of those people are really just spent Have historically just used sentos because they didn't want to pay for red hat And and that's literally the only reason why they use sentos. Well, they're doing this They're doing this in like a billion dollar enterprises Well, I mean a lot of the I'm sure there are a lot of big ones But a lot of the ones that I've heard about are smaller shops that didn't want to pay for A red hat license and support because they didn't need it right if you if you run 10 machines Nowadays you have to develop a scripture on red hat that gives you access to red hat for free up to 16 devices Yeah, that that that wasn't the truth. That wasn't true when they first Made this announcement I think you have a small business and you're You're using sentos or all more whatever to get away with not paying paying for like red hat That to me I think that makes sense. It's just when you get into which like josh is not lying like there is a lot of like Really like surprisingly big companies. Yeah That are using it just to get away with not paying for it and they could totally afford it and probably do need it Just there's just a certain plastic water bottle manufacturer. That's like less than 20 miles away from my house I'd only pay for one a single red hat server which downloads the repository and they and then they serve it to 300 plus other servers For the package updates. So they are pirating red hat Just to play devil's advocate just for a second and I'm 100 positive you guys are right but Some at least some of the corporations likely Maybe have in-house support and they don't need red hat support, you know Maybe that's the reason why they they would choose to use something different But I'm that's probably a minuscule just made up in my mind thing and you guys are probably right. So anyways moving on to You know, I don't think I've ever actually tried Red hat linux I have a like old I have a book that I'm looking at right now the red hat linux 7.3 bible It's sitting over there on my bookshelf. I think it still has the cds in it Pretty sure it it probably does and uh red hat 7 is still supported And and that up to which version now And that and that book has got to be 20 years old It's not 20 years old right or or no, oh, you're not talking about you're talking about red hat not Not right. This is red hat linux. Yeah, okay. Yeah, there's a difference Yeah, this is this is before row Um, this was I think before dvds Just to let you know when you go to install that Just make sure that you toggle the red deck and the pirate language options I don't think that I have an optical drive around where I could actually install it I'm just do do I need to send you an optical drive? No, I do not need an optical I got like 30 of them. I like I got like 30. Could you please could you please send me a tape deck? Please I have a tape deck too I I have a usb a tape deck usb one. I'll drive it up to you man I have I have a Do you just all send me one? I'll have like five Like I'll I'll drop one off in person and you'll get four more in the mail. It'll be perfect Great I still have no reuse for it I'd actually have more use for a floppy drive because I actually have floppy disks around I don't I mean I I have dvds here, but they're all of crap. All right, so just To prove my point at the beginning that we never do tangya. I'm gonna do a tangent here. Um, you guys so There used to be a plethora for you kids out there. We used to have these Big box stores beyond just Best Buy, you know, there's There's compusa and computer city and circus city and stuff, right? We had I mean, they were like a dime a dozen in like the early 2000s, right when computing was becoming Um, oh, what is it the um, oh that store that sold movies, you know that ancient people talk Oh, yeah blockbuster. Is it kind of like that blockbuster still in Alaska? Yeah, there's still like one I know there's one Anyways, so there was this place called compusa. It was basically like circus city But it was when you had to buy this was before you know people had the internet It was all dial-up for the most part But anyways, and we'd just got a computer for the first time. It was like early 2000 And we would go in there And we'd buy a whole bunch of really weird like card making hallmarks software, right? It come on like 25 discs because half of them was like clip art It was hilarious And the reason why we do that because they keep sending us these things like if you if you went in there You'd get you'd get a mail-in rebate where you could get it for free We just went in there over and over again We bought all this really stupid random software like dragon naturally speaking was one of them That's one of the ones that I remember like dragon natural speaking. We got it for free Even it was like $170. We have like a mail-in rebate. It was absolutely hilarious. Oh, I remember back in the day I would walk into that. Yeah I remember Go walking into the circuit city before like way back in the day and looking at open susa dvds because I was I was thinking about buying it for 30 bucks And they they even said on the package itself that you could send proof of purchase back to back to susa And they would refund your entire purchase for you You guys did it the hard way. I just I would just walk into a grocery store where they had the magazines Yep And I would I would walk back and forth based back and forth and then when it gets crowded I just wipe the cds and go home. Yeah, the magazines used to have like dvds and cds and stuff of of linux distributions and other and other things too in the more general technology magazines stuff got I got I got jukinukum 3d full version Because it wasn't a magazine the teenagers are like, what's a magazine man? What's a magazine bro? I didn't care about the magazine. Why would I read? I just swiped the cd and go home and nobody would would be the wiser They throw the magazine the store would throw the magazine replace it with a new one with a chat's talking about radioshack Radioshack went real downhill in like the last 10 years of its life. Well, like Technically it's still around. It's owned by the the winklevoss twins now Yeah, it's owned by the winklevoss and now they're they're basically just like an amazon alternative on the internet And they're they're making their own nfts and cryptos. So Watch out radioshack is back nfts and nfts and crypto yeah, because the wink that's what the winklevoss twins are into now is the the crypto stuff Still have radioshack. We still have radioshack here and they're the best place to go to to get the vintage audio video equipment You can go to your rca cables man. What else are you gonna get them? all right We went off went off the rails there just a tad that was my fault Anyway, it's josh your last one My last one. I thought that was my last one. Who did kd connect? Oh, was that that was me? Who did google then the google one? nobody Google deliver secure. I opened this link for some reason somebody did google Google all right. I'm going to the show notes. You guys can't can't fool me. Who did this one? That's tyler tyler tyler's wanted with the google so tyler own up man He's like i'm here waving at you you dumbass Look what half was uh audacity crash So there's a little bit of a gap in my recording. You're gonna have to use the dam obs recording again Three weeks in a row I don't know what happened. It just crashed I'm telling you man the audacity package on arch linux is horrible I wouldn't be surprised if mine crashed too to be honest with you Yeah, um, I might I might have to you know, finally take the advice that I gave to steve and then will not take myself And just start using ocean audio No sound recorder Excuse whatever it is you used when you were using um open bsd. Okay, i'm gonna stop you all I'm gonna stop you all just use soundforge via Inside wine and get it over with Oh, there you go. There you go. I'd rather use k lathe Oh, wow, we're just gonna continue to name more obscure version ways of recording audio All right, tyler your last one now that i'm Secure packages that you know work and don't crash google's trying to get in the business of delivering secure In open source packages. Um, so as we all know, um, you trust google We all trust definitely What google's gonna do is they're they're doing the assured oss service and you know Here's a little quote threat actors regularly attempt to compromise the source code and source repos for oss projects By building assured oss packages from a google secured managed mirror rather than directly off the web google is able to take responsibility for securing the source code repo Securing into in build packaging and deploy the so the integrity of the source code is maintained Even if it or its repo has been compromised. I just have to say I just have to say JavaScript no, no, I just have to say that what made that quote best was the accent. I'm just I was going to say what happened what happened to our little tyler Some southern guy just took it over. Okay. He took it took over his place. He's from Tennessee. That's how he's actually supposed to sound All right What I like about this little piece of news here is I just think it's absolutely fantastic and We definitely should give up It just say you know what We can't trust each other, but what we can trust is a google I think I think it's good that we're now finally hitting this point And i'm also glad that google now believes that this That we are ready for this where So in the chat I posted a link of every single package in their repository. It looks like it's all java and python right now It's gonna be yeah, here's here's the real the real thing about all this guys is you know what we really really need Another repository Yeah, I'm sure there's a package manager that goes along with it somewhere along the line because you're gonna have to install this stuff, right? So something something canonical was right. There should only be one source of truth for all your packages They could have just used snap They should just given up bought canonical like, you know, microsoft has been planning to for 20 years As we've been hearing, you know, as everybody's been predicting, you know, and and just then they could have had snaps I honestly don't know if the uk would allow microsoft to buy canonical Probably not google you have to be honest. I could totally see it happening I could I could see it happening if canonical wasn't a uk-based company Why would that I want the Regulations is give me the canonical i The uk is literally the reason why microsoft hasn't actually bought the blizzard blizzard and activision yet Isn't it also the reason why the arm deal didn't go through with nvidia, right? It's also yeah Um, yeah, so it it's it's it's not the EU that's preventing them. It's the uk Hey, we knew we knew those brits were good for something Other than you know So british are good for something something not british are good for something Besides when you don't want to talk about brexit. Yeah All right, moving on to the last one katie connect 2.0 has is planning for big improvements. So Uh, I will be 100 honest with you guys that this blink was from last week. I don't remember what the big improvements were I Will tell you I will tell you I will tell you one thing about this katie connect that you talk of This katie connect you talk of if they fix The issue where you can I cannot even transfer files bigger than 50 megabytes To my z iphone that I z have in the pocket Uh, I don't care about this update, but if they fix it then I care. Okay. I Okay, so not as successful as the as the southern accent I'm just gonna point you if you want to know if you want to know some of the improvements currently how k k de connect Finds like other k de k de connect services is through a uh, udp udp broadcast Which is uh inherently not exactly secure and they're changing to a multicast dns method instead. So, uh That's probably going to be like their biggest change and they're just doing that in the name of security Uh, they're also switching away from uh from tls version one to a more modern version of tls And uh, if that fixes the problem i be having that be okay, uh, your issue is iphone related Then I don't care because on my android phone on my android phone I could I uh, I can send over 1.4 gigabyte video recordings that I've accidentally made Then I don't be caring Accidentally made by uh, you know because uh my phone can apparently unlock itself when sitting in my pocket and I can pocket record Right in pocket dial So basically you're telling me logic You're telling me that I don't got to be caring about this update. So okay. Bye. Bye Maybe you should just you shouldn't use an iphone Uh, no me iphone me iphone use because me work for apple Oh no, where am I I don't work for apple but I got an iphone man. You can't be discriminating against us I will discriminate against you because uh, the reason why your katie connect Uh, well katie anything is so terrible is because of iphone Well, it's apple. It's apple restriction is not katie deciding that this is what you do Like all apple allows you to do Do you know, uh, who makes the iphone apple? So it is an iphone it is an iphone issue use I use I use katie connect to do one simple thing Who uh, uh, uh restart pipe wire On my phone what Have I have a command on my phone in katie connect Mr. Teddy on my server. He taught me how to do that. Yeah, you can uh have katie connect, uh, Run run commands run commands. So I I run the restart user Pipe wire whatever whatever service Because sometimes it decides uh to stop working and turn my microphone into an output But uh, hold on so you can have your phone send commands on your computer So you can make you could use katie connect to like essentially make your computer like a tesla I I turn my camera on with with katie connect I turn my computer on with the pulse weight because I have a pulse weight substance I cannot believe my podcast has devolved into talking about apple product Again, we're not talking about apple product. I'm not talking about an apple product We're talking about katie connect here matt you can android or apple you can Add commands in katie connect on your phone With a click uh with a press of that command it will push that command to your computer and run it Conversation about apple products. I'm just saying Because me apple product owner. What do I do? Is there some kind of something in your contract that says every time you talk about apple you have to do it in a Accent It's not accident is my is my Lebanese accent you turn me into my pure self Well, I'm glad I could I could help you find your true self Steve I'm very happy I should definitely take over for dr. Phil. I'm just If I have the power to help you find your inner selfie, you know, just sit there and breathe in Breathe out. All right. All right Just to be on on the serious on a serious note It's really practical. Maybe if you have an android or an apple device you can just put commands The most useful command is To two most useful commands is updating my system while i'm sitting in a chair And I don't want to bother to lean forward to the keyboard. I just use my phone run the update command or I I have an issue with Pipe wire Like that command it will send it to to the system and restart pipe wire I will I don't want to be too bad if at all, but Like I kind of I kind of also got to be like What is wrong with y'all like y'all have talked about kde connect before but never once brought out this like kick ass bomb feature that like I just discovered it the like a short while ago because of teddy on my server. He does everything for via kde connect Uh, so let's see. I got kde connect on my phone here And I can sync my clipboard between my computer on my phone I can share and receive files from my phone to my computer or my computer to my phone Uh, I can come in I can I have a remote Input where it's like I can control my computer's mouse and even my keyboard with with my phone Uh, of course, I can run commands so I can turn turn on turn off my computer from sleep Of course not actual power And uh, you know, I've I've even got like a little slideshow button if I'm like doing a presentation Uh All kinds of stuff So essentially what happens is you start using kde connect You find out all these glorious features and then when you talk about it, you're like, yeah, you can transfer files And then you're like these poor peasants. They'll never use it. They'll never find out like That's essentially what happens, right? Uh, that said, uh, some of the commands like if you wanted to like x Uh, execute anything with like root access. You might need to set up like a payment authorization module So so that's a little bit, uh, fun there if you want to dig into it No, no, no, no, no commands. I mean, you're just starting you're just restarting a user service But uh, some of the stuff I'm doing I had to write a payment module for You you so cool Yeah, it's really neat Thank you, teddy. I guess I didn't know that it works on windows too because kde connectors on windows is in the microsoft store and honestly, uh If you have multiple devices kde connect you get them you can get them all to interact with each other Not just necessarily with like phone to computer, but you can have phone to phone computer to computer and stuff like that too It's actually a really cool application So how would you go about using it if you don't use kde or gnom? If you use like a window you can install it there's it just shows up as an as an application in your system And in your system menu, uh, it costs a run in your system tray So you'd have to set up as like a startup application or something like that, right? Yeah, and uh something that you run or is this thing On arch Linux is literally called kde connect dash applet Okay, I'll have to go I have tried kde connect before but I always just used it when I used kde and not used it when I used a window manager So that said I'm still working on like figuring out how to use hook kde connect with like a obs web sockets That way I don't have to use anything like obs blade to control it because you know I I don't want to have like two applications to control one computer, you know I just want to use one application, but I'm I'm working on it And and there's a kde connect plef act Yeah, I love I love how right before this conversation started Like there were comments in chat about how like this is the least informative podcast ever and I've always might have been blown I just want to say that that really hurt my feelings I'm just saying my my feelings were genuinely genuinely hurt That they don't consider this podcast where it's just four dudes talking about random shit on the internet Informative I mean, what the are we do we look like cnn to you or fox news or whatever the hell it is you? Are you like they're only like two weeks old Well, uh, you see I'm trying to do this thing where it's like I'm actually researching the links before you guys post them But you know some of you guys post your your links like five minutes before the show starts So I'm sitting here paying some of the articles. No, that's bullshit. That's bullshit. That's never happened I don't think that's ever happened. You need to take that shit back Okay, Tyler definitely has never done that. I have never done that. Do I need to follow commit histories? No It's definitely never happened before And also the one time that I was really really early with filling out my show notes I screwed up josh because he was in the middle of changing the show notes And I published mine The worst thing is when someone's trying to push and pull at the exact same time Like oh, hold on a second guys. We all have to rebase to the original start over again This this is why I honestly think that for our show notes We just do everything through merge requests rather than you know pushing and pulling directly from the main repository But uh, that's a debate for another time. Yeah, it's probably a good idea. Um, I thought you were going to suggest google docs Nope Thank god, because that's even more cancer because next thing, you know I'm just gonna be playing around with the mouse cursor on the google doc Just screw everybody up the hilarious thing is that when I first starred the podcast and had a co-host which was martin Um, we use google docs like we use the google sheet to do it Um, that was before that was before I knew how to use get by the way That's how long the podcast was going on. All right. Anyways, that's it so The beginning of the podcast was very, you know, news centric. We did not have you know It was not acrimonious and then towards the end. We got very feisty. It was good. Um, you're welcome Yeah You're welcome. I'm just gonna say it was no it was good. We got some life in us towards the end. It was good Um, anyways moving on to the thingies of the week, which by the way that the the show notes Template still says apps of the week by the way, and I'm never changing it right now. Don't change it. It's tradition. It's gotta say If you change it, I'm I'm banning you by the way I was just gonna rename it to a tinglies of the week Tinglies of the week Spell it Anyways, the the last The last part of the show that we do every week is called thingies of the week We could have called it anything absolute week, which is what we originally called it Uh, you know tips of the week tricks of the week things like that But those were all trademarked and taken by other People who aren't happy to share their things with us. So anyways I'm gonna go first this this week because I have two and I want to talk about them real quick Is that I've been Finally investing myself in learning how to use ssh. It's been Obviously, I'm way behind the curve. It's been around for 35 years or some nonsense like that. It's been around for a very long time But I've just been trying to learn how to do new things and ssh is one of them So I've discovered two things one. Uh, ssh fs is a thing I've made a video on. Yes, it's abandoned Yes, there are alternatives that are still in maintenance. I don't need to hear about them Ssh fs works for now And it's really good if you don't mind that it's abandoned and you just Want something that works right now. It's fine And it's really good Basically what it does is it allows you to mount a remote file system from like a vm or another computer onto your machine And you have full access to whatever that directory that you mounted on and it's really really good Now like I said, there are alternatives that are still maintained so you can look those up if you want the other one Also, if you use like a modern file file manager, you know like uh crusader, which I know you're a big fan of In in uh, you know the pat the path bar. Yes, I know I'm ssh colon slash slash and then I'm aware josh Thank you for that You're you're the guy in my comment section like there's 30 of you guys like oh matt There's this other way better option for you. It's fantastic. I'm not gonna say that it's better I'm just saying if you want to find it Let me put this way if you want to do it in the terminal ssh fs is fantastic Give it a try you don't have to you can do what josh says Don't hijack my shit josh jesus Anyways, the other one is scp basically what scp allows you to do is over ssh is transfer specific files or or or um directories between host and client so if you wanted to For example what I did personally was I didn't feel like Get cloning the most recent push of my get repository to one of my vm So I just used scp to transfer my repository that I have on my local machine to the client vm machine And I used scp to do it the the syntax is very very simple It's just basically an ssh command but with scp at the beginning Just one tip if you do use scp and you're transferring a directory just remember the dash r flag because it's the same thing as like cop cp or something like that You have to do the recursive Flag in order to do it so scp is really good and it's the one actually the one that I've been using the most because it's actually I I found that I don't actually need to have the entire file system mounted on my machine I just wanted to transfer you know specific files and it's just easier to transfer them when I need them I have them in both places Um, yeah scp works and scp is actually really really quick Uh, that said if you if you need like a reliable connection like say you're connected through things over like a cellular network You could our sync works as a as an almost literal drop in replacement Okay, um, steve you're thinking to the week My thingy my thinking of the week is a game called the acylox oblique sub-buffinitus Uh asterisks and and obliques slap them all Yeah, well for translation Yeah, uh, but I prefer to mention the original title because it's based on a comic that I still read to this day It's still alive to this day from my childhood when I was like, uh, what three? uh I still read that comic book. It has shaped me into who I am today uh and the art in the game is comic art It's the exact same art used to draw the comic book like Ah, it's so refreshing to go back to my childhood and that's what I'll be playing on my trip to Serbia on the steam deck Uh, but yeah, I Immediately switched the audio track to the original french Because if I hear asterisks and obliques Speak any other language than french would shoot myself Seems a little I mean over the top, but I mean it's new to you, bro It's that's how much I love it. It's how much I am true to this To this comic series and it's so much fun. It's just uh It's like a sweets of rage kind of thing, but since the whole story baseline of this story is obliques like a loving to kick woman's ass Uh, uh, roman ass. So, uh, it's like constant battling romans and drinking the Potion and hand drawn art assets. Yeah hand drawn. Uh, that's what I love about it. They put some effort into this Yeah, it's wonderful. It looks very good. It's Looks looks like a really good game Yeah, I got it as a gog game. Uh, and uh, it's installed on my steam deck that way and but That's a big problem for me because every time there's a major update on the steam deck it undoes all my settings I have to redo everything But that on the side, uh, it's a wonderful game. I recommend it to all people who uh know asterisks and obliques even people who don't know it. It's an enjoyable game. It's just Lapin roman ass Basically, uh, and it's uh, super fun and super easy to finish. I finished it in like six hours That's cool Okay, tyler you're thinking of the week Mine I think I've talked about this before on the channel, but um or on the podcast, but It's still a really cool. Um endeavor and uh testament to like crowd sourcing. Um, so there's a show called The Chosen It's uh, it's a christian show They're in season four now Like it's kind of the point now where like each episode is between between like three and a half and like six million dollars per episode and it's completely crowd funded And uh, they're I think they're just like about halfway Through funding episode four of season four um But it's a crowd funded show and they've I mean, it's really interesting because they're not like For a time they were put on like amazon prime and other places and you might be able to find it Like the first couple of seasons um on other streaming networks, but they created and developed their own Streaming platform. They built their own payment processor. Like they did a lot of upfront development work on being outside of the system and being able to crowd fund and You know, just not having to be part of the like, I guess the hollywood system And so it's just a it's all it's an all-around interesting project. I mean like for obvious reasons I'm sure there's going to be a lot of people out there who aren't interested in the show but at the same time if you if if you're ever interested in like, you know Developing something really complex and you need an inspiring Like an inspiration to know that it could be done That's one like it turns out that making films is actually really really hard because if you're an independent filmmaker and uh, you you actually make a film just trying to even get get it Like marketed is actually just a huge huge endeavor So uh to see a company like this just come out of nowhere I mean, I'm I'm sure that somebody could uh, you know mention something to say about like jesus dollars going into this but the the fact that uh, you know, they're they're able to produce these four to six million dollar episodes And uh, just looking at the previews. It looks like it's pretty well recorded too. So Obviously obviously like the camera work looks like it's actually really good And then I don't I haven't watched the show so I don't know so I can't really judge anything unlike the editing But it looks like a pretty decent production Well, uh, as someone who has watched a show I can tell you the editing is phenomenal and the actors are Surprisingly good like surprisingly good, especially because with it being crowdfunded Uh, like I I'm pretty sure you don't always get the best people when you crowd Exactly. Yeah High school drama students usually is with us. Yeah You know, that's what honestly when I first watched the first episode like I was just like I was more interested in because it was completely crowdfunded I was like, uh, like I wanted to see the quality and when I watched the first episode I totally expected to be like college kids like, you know, just not that good it was it's Surprisingly good from episode one through like it's it's pretty good. Cool. Yep. All right. Josh, you're thinking of the week My thinking of the week is something we already talked about It should be really quick It should be really quick. It's kde connect So, uh, I actually put this up as my pick pick for last week and then the show got cancelled and then I forgot to update it for this week but anyways, uh The big story behind kde connect with me is because I've actually only been like a very recent convert in like the last two weeks To myself was that my my venerable phone here because you know, I like the pocket record things had It started giving me errors for you know being no available space in my file system So I'm sitting here. I'm plugging my phone into the usb port to see if I can grab stuff off of there Well, thankfully android does a very good job of isolation. So I couldn't pull off my camera feed into Through mtp The only way I could do that is to sync everything through google drive and then pull everything down for google drive and like that's not That's not going to happen because uh, I I'm trying to actively avoid using google drive And the free tier is not big enough for like all the content that's on my phone that I want to pull off of it Literally anything like it's not even big enough for email. So thankfully I'm just sitting here scrolling through to like the applications Mostly just looking for stuff to delete that way it can make some room on the phone But I see kde connect is there so, uh I install kde connect and I set up and you're like, I know that this can transfer files But how reliable is it? I moved 128 gigabytes worth of files off of my phone onto my computer And it was actually maxing out the wi-fi my wi-fi antenna because my wi-fi antenna only serves 100 megabit So it so I was I was throttled through my wi-fi because I don't care about my wi-fi performance. I just wanted to work And uh, it worked really reliably and it stayed consistent at the Between 95 to 100 megabit the entire time And also I was going to say your internet is not like, you know, it's not like you're getting gigabit I was I was transferring this over the local network. No, no, no I mean like in trying to justify a really expensive really nice router You're you're not getting the fastest internet. So it's not exactly like a necessary. Well, my wired connection between my devices Uh, some of my devices are 10 are actually 10 giga other devices are still on gigabit because you know giga It's cheap, but uh, you know, like when it comes down to wireless performance. What am I connecting to wi-fi my phone? my tablet a laptop No, it's not something that particularly care about that much And and I mean honestly most people don't have a home lab and are transferring terabytes new devices That said, uh, I do see somebody mentioning a sync thing That that is also a great option if you want like a consistent sync But I was actually just looking to move files off of my device and get rid of it I'm not looking to like sync data between all my devices to keep them in sync Which is something that sync thing is amazing for sync thing is great If you want to set it up and leave it and actually have it running all the time Where's yep. Yeah I whereas I was just looking for just like a single transfer. Yeah All right Interesting video by tech hut that gpt in your linux terminal. Yeah, nobody can oh man We all right. So I have a docker container that I can use to interact with chat gpt guys Next week no news We're gonna talk about ai Okay, I have so many thoughts. I've been delving quite a bit into ai lately I have a feeling that I may be the only negative one on the entire podcast you guys I might have I might have fed an entire youtube channel through through whisper ai just just to get transcripts for everything Okay, I have a video coming about that on thursday Me and matt will definitely be on the side of the negativity. We're gonna we need to poo poo this real fast. Okay. Anyways That's it for this podcast. We record the linux cast live every saturday at three o'clock p.m. Eastern time or there's abouts Usually we start right on time and this week. We started right on time We still ended up managing to go for an hour and a half. I was aiming for an hour That's never gonna happen again. 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