 Let's talk one-on-one, one-on-one. Yeah, we gon' talk, we gon' have fun. We be on fire, we be lily. It's a unique hustle, big shit. Big shit, big shit. It's a unique hustle, nigga, big shit. Big shit, big shit, big shit. Name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hustle. It's your boy, E-C-E-O. I'm here with the lovely, amazing, official. Ms. Jamaica, what's going on? No, no, I need on my dad. Man, hey, man, listen, man. This little boy right here, man. You know this nigga right here. You know I, you don't understand. See, y'all don't be knowin' how to do no interviews. I got this interview stuff down back. Oh, man, straight up, straight up, straight up. Say it, man. Listen, man. Yes, sir. Blood rods in the building, man. Stop playin', y'all. Better stand up, applaud, all that other stuff. Now, let me tell you somethin', man. I'm a big fan of the music, man. The hip-hop culture, man. And man, you guys had a hell of a run, man. Definitely. For real, man. So thank you for coming to Boss Talk One-on-One, where the bosses talk. I appreciate it. You hear, baby. Definitely. First thing I wanna know, why the name Blood Raw? See, in Florida, Blood Raw is a slang. It stands for the truth. Really? Yeah, so if I gave it to you in the sentence, like, I'ma give it to you, Blood Raw. Meaning the absolute truth. You feel me? Okay, cause I was like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ain't no gang of Philly, you feel me? When I was growing up, we didn't have gangs in Florida. You feel me? Really? No, no, no, no. They just came, you know. Either somebody came from Cali or somewhere else and, you know, created something in Florida. You know, we maybe was beefing with each other from across town or something like that, but we never really had no gangs. Let's go down through there. So, okay, so you're originally born and raised Florida? Yeah. What part? Panama City. Okay, the beaches are beautiful? Oh, yeah, but you know, I live across the bridge. You know what I'm saying? Like, when I was growing up, I didn't see the beach like that. Really? No, no, no, no, no. People think that everybody in Florida, the beaches are everywhere. Right, right, right, right. And it's always the bridge that separates the hood from the beaches, so. Oh, and so the hood don't have no beaches? No, definitely not. Definitely not. Definitely not. That's sad, that's sad. So, what are your fondest memories of Florida? Growing up. Say from up till say, okay, I want it in stages. What's your fondest memory before 10? Before 10. Playing sports. What sport? Football, baseball, I did it all. Oh, you did it all? Yeah. Were you good at any of that? I definitely was good. I mean, if I would have stayed on the right track, I probably could have been something like, you feel me? Like, not just talking, but for real, for real, you know. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for real, for real. And siblings? I have one sister. One sister, older? Yeah, she older, yeah. My, yeah. Okay, was she in sports too? Yeah, she was cheer. Cheerleaders, so she was cheering you on while you were playing? Well, she was in the older grade, so, you know. Yeah, she knew her brother was raw. So what is another fond memory in your teenage, you know, our crucial time is our teenage years. Right. Do you have a fond memory in your teenage years? Um, I mean, just being in the streets, to be honest. You feel me? I went to prison when I was 16, so, you know, I kind of grew up different than the average, you know what I'm saying, kid. My mother died when I was 10, bad overdose of heroin, you know what I'm saying? So I just was really off the chain ever since then, you feel me? Mm-mm, mm-mm. Yeah, I was raised by my grandma. Actually, before my mom went to prison at 10, she was, I mean, before she died when I was 10, she went to prison twice. So every time my mom went to prison, me and my sister, we got separated. That's how I was able to go from different sides of towns, because when my mama go to prison, my sister stayed with my grandma and I go to my auntie house, which they lived on different sides of town. They couldn't handle both of y'all at the same time? Not at the same time, you know what I'm saying? And my grandma, she worked alone. I was like from nine in the morning to 10 at night. So it was like, you know, she needed help. Well, once your mama came home, she would take both of y'all, although she was an addict, she still would help. Oh yeah, definitely. I went everywhere my mama went, you know what I'm saying? Like literally, like everybody, all the older people, they know me because I was with my mama everywhere. So she could function? Oh yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely. You know what I'm saying? Back then, heroin was pretty much like a social drug. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't like, you know, you were strung out, that's what I was wondering. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, none of that. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's just, you know, unfortunately, somebody gave her a bad overdose, just like the Fed now that's going around, man. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So where's daddy during this time? I never met my dad until I was probably like 27 years old. Did you know who he was growing up? No, I never knew who he was, you know what I'm saying? Did you ever ask, when you were younger, did you ask your grandma, cause I know your mom was, or your mom or anybody, like, you know, I know I must have a daddy. Right. I'm gonna tell you this, like, I never had that feeling. No. Because I was so surrounded by love. I was raised by women. So I was surrounded by love. I never really even had a, you know, thoughts in my mind, like, where my daddy at, because I had so much love going on, I really didn't want or had a need to say that I wanted my daddy. You know what I'm saying? But I always wonder- I know it's kind of strange, but yeah, I never really- I can understand what you're saying, but then for a boy, and you know, when you're a kid, you're not seeing this part of it, but as a boy, I'm always thinking, a woman can't teach a boy how to become a man. So as much as we women supposed to nurture you, show you the sensitive side, show you how to be caring, loving, all of that, but a man need to come in and show you how to be rough and tough and supply for your family, how to treat a woman, all of that, all the stuff. But honestly, I think that it's just depend on the person. Because me, I have all the characteristics of everything, like I have the sensitive side and I have the street side. My mom was in the streets, like for real, but I still mean naturally, I'm an affectionate person, I'm a caring person, like you feel me? I have real morals, like I was raised by my grandma, like I'm gonna always say, yes, sir, yes, ma'am, like I'm gonna treat women as queens because that's what I was taught. You know what I'm saying? That's the only thing I've seen was women in my family, and you know, I know that I love my family, my aunties, my sisters, my cousins, like, so I know that, you know what I'm saying? Whatever I do affects women, I gotta look at how somebody gonna treat my family. Right. You know what I'm saying? So how did you receive your father once he came into your life, and how did he come into your life? Actually, I was on the road from doing a show. And over the years, I talked about it, you know what I'm saying? I talked about going to see my daddy or whatever. And actually, I was raised in Orange Memorial, which is Orlando, but my daddy family, my grandma and my granddaddy, they from Hanes City, Florida. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Which is Polk County. So as a kid, and this was crazy, for me to even have the remembrance of certain things as a kid, because I was only in Hanes City up until three months, three months old. And you remember that? And I remember my grandmother. Was that the only time you met her was when you were that young? Yeah, I never met them at all. But I guess from conversation probably. You know what I'm saying? About my grandma, Jim, and you know, my dad or whatever. But I was on the road coming from a show, and we seen the sign that said, Hanes City, Florida. So me and my DJ, my homeboy, which is kind of like my brother and my other homeboy, we was in the car and we was like, man, I say, Hanes City, you wanna go try to find your daddy? You know what I'm saying? And I was like, yeah, let's do it. You know what I'm saying? So we actually pulled up to the hood in Hanes City. The very first guy we seen, cause they call my daddy Bonnie Hunter. So you knew the name? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a junior. You know what I'm saying? Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm a junior. So we asked the guy, did he know where Bonnie Hunter lived? And then he was like, his dad lived up on the hill at the house. So we went to the house, I knocked on the door, and my granddaddy, he was living there. My granddaddy came to the door, and he looked at me like, he looked at me like- Because you look just like your daddy. Right. And he was like, is that my grandson? You know what I'm saying? So he knew of you? Yeah, they definitely knew of me. You know what I'm saying? In long story short, I met my dad. He act like, he never missed a beat. You know what I'm saying? And me, I'm older now, so I don't have the resentment as much anymore, but I'm just glad to see this. You know what I'm saying? So I give him a hug, get a little emotional, you know what I'm saying, or whatever. And I give him my number, tell him to keep in contact, you feel me or whatever. So I guess him being older, his pride was in the way for the most part, for not being in my life. So I'm sure he probably wasn't what he was at, what he wanted to be, you know what I'm saying? And didn't keep in contact like I wanted him to, but I did in my part, you know what I'm saying? So up until last year, we seen each other three times, right? And last year, April, I was recording my documentary. So we went filmed a little bit, not even 30 days later, my daddy died. Wow. You know what I'm saying? He found out he was a diabetic and instantly, he must have done something to him because he didn't last 30 days. Well mentally, you think it messed with you? Yeah, I think it did because they found him in the house in the chair. You know what I'm saying? So a lot of people feel like, especially men, I've heard people say like, whenever they think about diabetes, thinking about, oh, they gonna cut off my leg, they gonna cut off my arm, that some stuff gonna start going bad. But you know, people have lived with that for, I'm gonna live last year after he passed. You got it checked. I got it checked. And they said I was high risk diabetic. You're free, for you. So guess what? You're high risk. I just changed my eating habits. That's all you gotta do. I only drink water. I don't drink no sodas, no juices. If I drink juice, it's from the vegetables. Right. You know what I'm saying? But my blood sugar levels is perfectly fine. Like, you know what I'm saying? I definitely watch what I eat. I don't eat no sweets like that no more. You know what I'm saying? Everything is perfect. You know what I'm saying? That's why I tell, sorry, hold on. That's why I tell people all the time. Because you know what? You have so many people who are like you or don't know their daddy, don't know their mama, mainly their daddy. And I'm like, you need to reach out. You need to find out not only just to build that relationship, but to know what illness is. Yeah, your health is history. Health is history because when you go to your doctor and they say, okay, so what does your daddy have? I don't know. But if you can pick it on it early, the doctors know what to check. Because when you go to get a checkup, they don't just check everything. Do their scan through, whatever. But if they don't know the history, they can't say, okay, I need to check on this. You see what I mean? I want to talk about 16 years old doing going to prison, five years. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about what happened. Can we talk about that? Oh yeah, of course, of course. So I had called a trafficking charge. Okay. And actually when I got back in town, the DEA had a rate set up for when we came to the house or whatever. There was me and one of my other homeboys, but he was an older guy, you know what I'm saying? And for the long story short, they really wanted me to tell on him. You know what I'm saying? But I was a minor at the time. I was a youth offender. You know what I'm saying? They just waived me over to an adult. You know what I'm saying? So you got charged as an adult. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, when you become 16, you know what I'm saying? As soon as you turn 17, they can waive you over to an adult. Oh, okay. Yeah. And they do it more frequently when you're a brother, when you're of color. Of course, of course, of course. I had an illegal guideline sentence. That's what the five years with 10 years probation was. You know what I'm saying? And during this time they had gang time in Florida, whereas you probably could get, you know, for me, I got a set release date, but they was given out like 300 days a week or 200 and some days a week. So if you had five years, you'd probably be home in six, seven months. But they gave me a five years due to two years. You know what I'm saying? Control release date. So I had to automatically do two years. You know what I'm saying? But when I got out, I was on 10 years probation, which was an illegal guideline sentence. Because you know what I'm saying? Like, I never ever really been in trouble like that. You know, of course I had a couple of charges on my history, but I didn't score out to nothing like that. You know what I'm saying? Were you in school at this time or are you at drop top? I had dropped out. But when you- See, they look at all of that. But when you went to prison being 16, what was that like? I mean, it was, for me, it was- You know, you're a street nigga. Yeah, it was right there. I already know a nigga, street nigga. He went in that thing. You know what I'm saying? There's some people in there. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But see, but you're 16, you know what I mean? When you go through the reception centers, you be with the adults. But when you go to prison, you be with 25 and under. But 25 and under is more ruthless than in an adult prison because everybody is, we always had riots. You know what I'm saying? We always had riots. It's always gonna be a riot. It's always gonna be people who click up. Like, you know, from North Florida to South Florida, you know what I'm saying? Central Florida, they didn't click, so whatever. But how many 16-year-olds you saw in there? A lot. Really? Yeah, but I wanna know, for my prison confessions, I wanna know, give me a story where something happened in there that sticks out to you. One of the craziest episodes that you experienced being. Good or bad? Good or bad. Well, they had this prison. It's a dynastic center where everybody go, but it's called Lake Butler, Florida. Okay. You know what I'm saying? It's what a death row in Florida as well. And they had a thing about people who come there with gold teeth. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So they really kinda wanna make an example because they know that you're a street dude or whatever, you feel me? So when you come in the reception center, they automatically, they bring a jar out with gold teeth in the jar, where they done kicked it out or knocked it out of certain people, you feel me? This prison even got their own graveyard. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, but you always hear about stories, but me being there, like when they come, when they come, when they have you in the, come in, they have you take your clothes off, take your boxes off, have you turned around, been over, you know what I'm saying? Just the intimidation on a whole nother level. You know what I'm saying? And they tell you about, you know, you get out of line, we're gonna slap you, we're gonna, you know what I'm saying? All this, you feel me? And they kinda try to put that fear in you off rip, you know what I'm saying? So I remember one day I'm coming from the child hall, you know, and back then I didn't really listen to nothing. Like, you feel me? Like, you know, whether it was a police officer, whoever, like, if you're trying to talk to me crazy, I'm gonna pretty much laugh. Like, I ain't take you serious, you know what I'm saying? But I'm coming from the child hall and they don't want you running on the steps. Like, you feel me? So I'm kinda late getting back to my dorm or whatever. Still got food in my hand, everything. You don't supposed to bring no food at the child, you know what I'm saying? So I still got food in my hand. So as I come in the stares to go up to the dorm, I'm running upstairs and the officer is waking up up the next stares. So he turned around and pushed me. So I like almost fail, you know what I'm saying? So he like, get back outside. You know what I'm saying? The sweeping side walk to the sun go down. You know what I'm saying? Well, you say sweep the sun off the sidewalk. So that means it go down, you feel me? So I was out there for about four hours, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, sweep the sun. How much sweeping can you do? That's just what they do. You know what I'm saying? Like, they just, that's just what they do. Are they watching you to make sure you're doing what you're supposed to be doing? Oh yeah, they definitely gonna be watching. They definitely gonna be watching you. You know what I'm saying? Then you got, you got female officers who really like try to trap you cause they'll be looking at you. And then one of the male officers, one of the male officers getting mad. When you say trap you, what you mean? Like they, you know how women are flirting with you. They flirting at you, trying to get with you. I'm just checking. Yeah, they be, no, but they really, they can look at you over there. They don't even have to give you none. They just put the eyes on you and a nigga, you know, over there, they call it a gun sling. All that gun slinging going on down there. These niggas is really out there. Really, you know, yeah, they rid of, I'll never forget a story I heard where a nigga act like he was really getting to it. And I'm like, I think these niggas really leaving and having sex with these women. But these niggas was gun slingers. They was gun slingers. Yeah, they go in the stall and, yeah. They just, all they got to do is see the booth. They gonna see the booth. They gonna undress you. They gonna see your eyes. They don't care. They gonna undress you. They don't need none but a piece of you. Your voice emanates you through the roof. Wow. Man, they have a whole sheet over on the walk around. Come on now. Come on now. Look at that. Look at that. They're like, nigga maybe in the shower for hours. Hours. Yeah, he did a trip in man. So did you finish with your story that you subbed? Is there anything else that happened after that? Well, it didn't jump on you, none. So you good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, nah, he didn't jump on me. You know what I'm saying? But this is a real crazy story before I went into prison though. Like when they wanted me to tell them a homeboy, like they used to like take books and put it against your face. Like and beat you like, you know what I'm saying? Wow. Like that's what, Yeah, the task force. Like put a book in there. Yeah, we call them the task force because it's a drug unit, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, they used to put books on you and like literally beat you like, you know what I'm saying? I'm a jit. Like you feel me like. You went through a lot. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Man, man, we glad they didn't take you out, man. Oh yeah, for sure. That's the most important thing. Cause God had a plan for you. Oh yeah, for sure. See God had a plan for you. Definitely. Cause you can tell where you went when you came home. It was something God had for you in order for you to even get there. But you had to go through something to get to something. You see what I'm saying? You had to go through something to get to something, man. So I guess we can talk about the music a little bit. Let's get to it. You know what I'm saying? A man, USDA man. Come on, man. Yes, sir. What man? Come on, man. I mean, how did you meet GZ anyway? I want to go into the good parts of the band. No, no, no. I want it all. How old were you? Cause you did time came back out and that's when you came out. Well, he came out of these 16's to MD and 18's. But I went to prison again after then. So damn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went to prison again after then. So you didn't learn your lesson the first time? Well, like I told you. That probation was a trap. Yeah, that probation, like when I got out. It's a trap. You know what I'm saying? I really said to be honest, fuck it. Damn. You know what I'm saying? Like it is what it is. You just catch me when you catch me. That's what you say when you're 20, 22 years old. Whatever. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But you know, long story short, after I came home from prison my second time I moved to Atlanta, right? Okay. So because my sister didn't want me in my hometown no more because she already knew what I was going to do. You feel me? So how old were you when you got out the second time? My second time, probably like 20 something, like 23. Okay. Damn. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so I moved to Atlanta and my uncle, them they had a restaurant called the Hip Hop Cafe. What year was this? Probably like, hmm. So I got my deal in 2005. So this had to be in like 2003. 2003. Yeah, BMF was still out and around. Definitely. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah, I'm just trying to get that one. Yeah, push up, push up. I'm trying to figure out what's going on. Now you out there, you done hit Atlanta. Oh yeah. All the butt naked clubs. Yeah, definitely. Was the lap dance still $10 at that time? Sometime five. Okay, that's what I'm talking about, baby. Let's talk about it. Yeah, definitely. So, but my uncle, them they had a spot called the Hip Hop Cafe where all the artists used to come to it was a strong mountain. Like everybody used to come to. So I remember just, I remember sitting down with 50 cent like having conversations, you know what I'm saying? I ain't really even had no job title. Like I never worked a day in my life. So that was just really trying to change my life. You know what I'm saying? So I was just there like. You had no job. No, you know what I'm saying? You just hanging out. Just whatever. Helping your uncle out. Yeah, whatever you need. Whatever you need. The muscle if I need to be. That'll be it. You know what I'm saying? So eventually I said, like I want to start doing music. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, I'm not really used to this type of lifestyle. Like I got to wait on certain things. And you know what I'm saying? I got to wait. I get as many to do this and I ain't used to living like that. You know what I'm saying? No patience. But I'm really trying for my sister because my sister has always been on my backbone, my art. You know what I'm saying? Did she move with you or she's? No, she stayed home. No, my sister, at the college my sister moved to Atlanta first. Yeah. Oh, so she moved to Atlanta first. Yeah, when she graduated she moved to Atlanta. You know what I'm saying? And she just been there. And long story short, you know, at this time I had got this manager. You know what I'm saying? His name was Loco. He from New York. So he was a real hustler like. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? They built different. Oh yeah. He took me to New York. I used to hang in Yonkers with the locks. Yeah. DMX, all of them. You feel me? You used to have me around them. And at this time the locks wanted to sign me but they was going through this situation with Puff. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So when we left New York, I was like, man, I gotta do something. You know what I'm saying? So I eventually left Atlanta, went back to my hometown, got back in the streets. You know what I'm saying? Hustling. You feel me? And I started doing music full time. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I like this what I want to do. So I started recording. You know what I'm saying? And my homeboy was like, well, that shit got roll. You know what I'm saying? Cause I was really like, you know, talking it. You feel me? And they know who I was. You feel me? So at this time I only had two songs. I had a song called Represent and I had a song called My Blockburn with Pastor Troy. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So the Represent song and the My Blockburn song got on fire. The Represent you did by yourself. Yeah, Represent was my solo song. But that one, that one with, how did you set up something with Pastor Troy? Did you already knew it? No, I just paid him to do a feature. I paid him for the beat. You called the nigga the nigga down in Atlanta. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just got in touch with somebody that knew him. Yeah, so yeah, I'm on the rock with him. Yeah. So at this time, I know, I know, I'm sure you heard of TJ Chapman. Yeah, yeah. TJ DJs. Yeah. He took me under his wing and like started taking me everywhere. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And telling everybody about Blood Rock. You feel me? Like this the next dude out of Florida. So I had this other friend who used to manage the producer's Justice League. His name Chuck. You know what I'm saying? He was, Justice League was working with GZ at the time. But GZ was signed with Jazzy Faye. You feel me, Jazzy Faye? And the Puff Daddy situation with Boys in the Hood. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was a hell of a deal. So they was telling them, you know what I'm saying? This cat named Blood Rock from Florida, he next. You know what I'm saying? So me from coming from Florida, I used to go to Atlanta all the time. Like you said, the strip clubs. Yeah, yeah. We used to see each other in the strip clubs. Me and GZ, like you feel me? They throwin' money, we throwin' money. Like you feel me? Yeah. Whatever. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, y'all handle them niggas. Yeah, some nights, some nights, niggas. I mean, yeah, we definitely had it down. Some nights they failed you? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who are them niggas? Definitely, definitely, definitely. So, hold up. When men come into a strip club and y'all throwin' money, is it a competition thing? Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely a competition. Who can throw the most money? Definitely a competition. Definitely a competition. Yeah, all that. All of it. We got everything. There's ego things. Yeah, yeah. Like for real, for real, everything a man do, he wanna score points. That's right. Like whatever he do, he wanna score points. What are the points gonna get you? A lot of things. It's gonna get you a lot of things. It's gonna get you a lot of things. That's right. It's gonna score. It's gonna score. You feelin' real good inside the way you can't nobody stop you. Yeah, better believe it. And you keep being a creative successor. Exactly, yeah. And nigga, please. Better believe it. Whoever come there, they gonna get it. You said over there, you gettin' it, dude. Better believe it. Better believe it. Thank you so much, man. Better believe it. Go ahead. So long story short, like I got on fire in the state of Florida, you know what I'm sayin'? And what I did with the represent song, I was gonna talk about this because the represent song came back to bite me. You know what I'm sayin'? With my federal case. So long story short. So they got you on what you was sayin' in the song? Well, the dudes that I named in the song testified on me. Damn. But I was usually asked, a lot of the dudes was my people. Like, they was my homies, you feel me? But what I did was I said, I'ma name everybody in my city who gettin' money. Cause I know that if they hear their name in the song, they gonna promote my song. Promote it. I'm the first out of my city to ever do it. Like, to ever be on the level of anything musically in my city. You know what I'm sayin'? That's good stuff. I'm tellin' my almost, the only other person from my city that made it out of my city was Will Witherspoon. He played for Carolina Panthers. He played for, you know, a couple different teams. But I'm tellin' my the real street cat, like, from my city, I'm the first that ever did it. So it was a big, big deal. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm sayin'? So I named everybody in my city that was gettin' money. You feel me? And you know, everybody, they followed suit. We was goin' to homecoming. We was goin' to classic. Everywhere in Florida that was goin' on, we was the Alpala, it was 20 D, all my homies. Like, you feel me? Everybody in fixed up cars, jury, money. We go from the events to the club. We throwin' money, we doin' whatever. And my niggas, they passin' out CDs. You know what I'm sayin'? So I instantly, like, it was, it was broke. It was seven, eight months before I got my deal. Yeah. Like, fast. You know what I'm sayin'? So I remember we was in Dothan, Alabama. A particular night. And Dothan, Alabama is probably, an hour and 20 minutes from Panama City, from Florida, it's at the line. I was on fire in Dothan, Alabama. So I had a show. And Jesus had a show. He had just dropped Streets is Watchin'. I remember that. At my show, it was packed. At his show, it really wasn't nobody else. You know what I'm sayin'? Cause he was fresh. You feel me? So they came from their show to my show. And when they came to my show, I was goin' on stage. My son represent came on. That worked crazy. Word for word. They couldn't believe it. Messed their head up. They couldn't believe it. Like, you feel me? He instantly came on stage, him and Kink. They pulled me to the side. You feel me, Kink? Like, man, what you wanna do? You know what I'm sayin'? Keep in mind at this time, I'm already gettin' offers from Universal, from Jazz and Faith, from Trick Daddy, from T.I. Like, all these different people is tryin' to, you know what I'm sayin'? Hit T.J. Chapman about me. You know what I'm sayin'? Yeah, yeah. So I tell ya, we exchanged numbers. Jesus gettin' on the stage. He like, what is the name of the blood? Roll, roll. You know what I'm sayin'? You feel me? Yeah. So we exchanged numbers. Kink hit me up. He like, man, come to Atlanta, man. We wanna sit down. You feel me? So me and my partner, who I told you, who managed the group justice league, the producers, Chuck, he take me to Atlanta. We fly to Atlanta. We sit down with Kink and Jesus. You know what I'm sayin'? And that's basically history. Like, you know, couple days later, we signed the paperwork. You feel me? I was. And then we played though. Like, you just doin', you look at the paperwork, you trustin'. Right, I'm trustin'. You trustin'. I'm trustin'. Because that's what niggas do. Yeah, I'm trustin'. And keep in mind this, too, though. Did you read the paperwork? Not like that. You trustin'. I looked over it, but I didn't. You know what I'm sayin'? Yeah. I trust in him. Most kids don't. Most people don't. But keep this in mind. Keep this in mind now. It's already word on the street that the feds about to pick me up. So I'm really like, I'm just tryin' to get legal before anything, like, you know what I'm sayin'? That was 90% of me signin', you know what I'm sayin'? Yeah, I trust in him. Of sayin', you know, you come from where I come from, you know what I'm sayin'? And I'm with you, like, whatever you need to do, we gon' make it happen. That's what we went on. You know what I'm sayin'? Damn. You know, and by God's grace, it happened right. You feel me? You know. So it fell right? Yeah, it fell right. It fell right, you know what I'm sayin'? Did you even have to have any issues with that legal part after that? Well, when I caught my indictment, we had just left New Year's. Okay. Performing in New York Times Square, doing the ball drop. So Jesus was about to go on tour in Europe. But we were- Was this the time, though, was this cold summer and all that out at this time? This before. This before that, no, okay. So he was like, man, we gon' hit Jamaica before we go to Europe. You feel me? Okay. I never had a passport, you know what I'm sayin'? So I go to the airport to try to get my passport. You know what I'm sayin'? So they pull the computer up, get my information, and then later, like, something going on with the computer, you gotta come back, you know what I'm sayin'? So I ain't thinkin' about nothin'. Like, you know what I'm sayin'? I ain't thinkin' about nothin' of that. So they called me like two days later, you know what I'm sayin'? It was like, you could come pick your passport up. You feel me? They waitin' on you. So me and Slick in the car, we just left Walters. So I'm like, you want me to drop you off or you want to ride me? Like, now I'm gonna ride with you. So I pull up to the passport office. You already got an instinct from being from the streets, like, what's goin' on. Like, well, we know. It's super dry, but it's a lot of cars in the parking lot. Like, it's no movement goin' on. It's no, absolutely no movement goin' on. So I'm like, something ain't right. You feel me? So I back in, as I back in, I got a flip phone, next to your flip phone, so I'm callin' my sister. Like, I say, my sister's my everything, like, you feel me? So I'm callin' my sister. And the phone ringin', she don't answer. You know what I'm sayin'? So I close it. So I get out the car, I'm walkin' upstairs, the white lady come out the building. So she's like, what's your name? I'm like, my name Bruce Fawson, you know what I'm sayin'? And she's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, come on inside. You know what I'm sayin'? She waitin' for, that don't happen. She's a waitin' for you. Yeah, so I'm like, I'm still not thinkin' about it, but my body is feelin' it's knowin' somethin' wrong. Instinct. Yeah, so I call my sister again and the phone just ringin'. Soon as I walk in, they rush from everywhere. Yeah. E-A, F-B-I, everybody. A-T-F, everywhere. Damn. You know what I'm sayin'? They rush, they grab my phone, close my phone, but you know, then sometimes when I go next to her, when you close it, the phone's still be on. Yeah, yeah. So my sister finally answer, but you know what I'm sayin'? She heard you. She's just hearin' everything that's goin' on. Oh, she must've been so worried. Oh yeah, because, you know, she ain't talk to me for hours later. She tryin' to find out what's goin' on, whatever. But they tellin' me I have an indictment in the state of Florida, you know what I'm sayin'? So I have to go through that whole situation. You know what I'm sayin'? You know, I'm at FSP. I mean, you, what the, yeah, FSP or USP? USP in Atlanta, the Atlanta Penitentiary. You know what I'm sayin'? So I'm there for like six weeks. You feel me? Well, jeez in them. You ever heard of this? I ain't no, I ain't heard from nobody at this time. I don't hear from nobody. Just my sister. Ain't nobody, they ain't even tapping in with you. Nah, you know what I'm sayin'? You know, and I give them a pass for that part, you know what I'm sayin'? So I go through that whole situation. My lawyer want me to stay in Tallahassee because at this time it's like 10, 12 people in my case. You know what I'm sayin'? Like stay in Tallahassee so nobody else get on your case and then when you get ready for your trial, we just bring you to Florida. So I stay in Tallahassee while, then I come to Florida the week of my trial. You know what I'm sayin'? The week of my trial is just crazy. You know what I'm sayin'? Like it's crazy. You feel me? So I'm in a whole another mode. Like regardless of me being a street dude, I always had my relationship with God. Come on now. You know what I'm sayin'? That's it right there. He's always been with me from the beginning when I had nobody. He don't never fail you. He never love you. I've never had nobody, no father figure or none of that so I always had to talk to God as my lady man. That's good stuff right there. Regardless of the dirt I was doin' out of, I could be on the road traffickin'. You know what I'm talkin' to God? Like you know my heart. Like you feel me? Like you know what I'm tryin' to do. Like you know what I'm sayin'? He'll love you right through it. He'll love you through it, bro. Exactly. That's real talk. For real, for real talk. I got a question about it. Because, okay. Being a person who love God, you know how we all know when we doin' wrong. Although when we talkin' to Him. When you talkin' to Him, you know what you doin' wrong and you askin' Him to make sure that you stay safe and whatever. Do you feel guilty? Of course. You feel guilty, you know what I'm sayin'? You feel guilty, but it's like my reason and it's not an excuse, but the only reason I'm doin' this is for survival. You know what I'm sayin'? And I'ma always help people. I'ma always be courteous. I'ma always be respectful. I'ma always, my heart is gonna always be pure. You know what I'm sayin'? I'm doin' what I know how to do at this point. And the more that you love God, the more you gonna cut off the fat. Let me just say this. Everybody feel guilty. Yeah. It ain't nobody that don't feel guilty. You ain't know where by yourself, everybody. That's from the pastor, to the deacon, to the street minister, to the evangelist, to the apostle, all of them. It don't matter. To the person that's in the streets homeless, to the person that's in the drug house, to the person that's in the strip club, everybody have a feel of guilt. That's what the conscience is, yeah. That's what your conscience is. And it don't matter how right standing you are, there's something that you got that's goin' on with you that you amplify to know that it's not right. So all that crap, man, don't never stop. The Bible say who can separate you from the love of God. Right, exactly. Nothing. Better believe it. So you can't get caught up in no guilt or nothin', and that's for whoever it is. Right, of course. I'm not always with you, bro. Better believe it. So stop playin'. I don't even play with that, bro. I ain't nobody for to tell me God don't love me. I don't care what I'm doin'. And that's why, you know, I tell my federal case story, not the brag, but to show the power of God. Come on, now. You know what I'm sayin'? Because everybody always brought up the 98% conviction rate, but they never wanna talk about the 2%. The 2%. Come on, now. You know what I'm sayin'? And the 98% conviction rate only is because either you cooperated or you took a plea. You know what I'm sayin'? And a plea is a conviction. So that's what it is, you know what I'm sayin'? Like, people in the fairs are so brainwashed. They have other people trying to brainwash you as soon as you come in the doors. Like, man, don't play with these people, man. Like, don't do this and don't, like, you don't even know my situation. Like, you feel me? Like, how did you flip it on them, man? I'm a God, but I'ma tell you, like, I never denied knowing these people. Like, these was my homies, but they only tryin' to get their time cut. You know what I'm sayin'? They noted out that I'm doin' some positive and they tryin' to bring me in their situation. Which, these was my niggas for real, but you know what I'm sayin'? I had to go through the situation in the whole week. Let me show you how God worked, right? And he gonna show the world always that it's him. It ain't my lawyer. It ain't nothin' else, it's him. You know what I'm sayin'? And these were the guys you talkin' about that you named on the song. Yeah. Yeah. So, man, there was so many people comin' through the court. They did their testimonies for two days. The judge said, man, y'all done had enough. Like, y'all done, y'all, you know what I'm sayin'? Y'all been doin' this for two days, like, you know what I'm sayin'? And, you know, they even gettin' on the stand to, like, we just wanna do the right thing. You feel me? But let me tell you how God works. So this is how I knew that, you know what I'm sayin'? Everything was gonna be okay. I had a, my spirit was so calm doin' my trial, bro, it was unbelievable, like, I didn't have no worries. I didn't have no, none of that, you know what I'm sayin'? So, when they came back for deliberation, before they came back, my lawyer came to me and he was like, because my lawyer, when he, when you came, he's done Cliff Davis, he just passed maybe, like, three years ago for heart surgery. But when you come in his office, it says no snitchin', no snitchin' alive. He got that on his thing, like, for real, for real. You know what I'm sayin'? So, and he was friends with my old manager for 30 years. So that relationship alone knew that he was gonna go to war for me. You know what I'm sayin'? But long story short, he had to relay the message what the federal agent was sayin', you know what I'm sayin'? He came to me, he was like, you know, you know I don't like this. He said, but they keep asking me, you know what I'm sayin'? You still got one chance to cooperate. So I had my Bible and my son picture in my Bible. I said, this is what I believe in. You feel me? But that was just God showing me that I can't give him the credit, even though he was a vessel. That's right. I can't give him the credit, you know what I'm sayin'? So that was one case. The second time when they got ready for deliberation, it was a heaven set white lady when they came in the door, she winked her eye at me. You feel me? That was another sign. When they said, not guilty, the lady who do the typing on my mama grade, bro, she started crying because she couldn't believe it. This was my judge's first federal case. This was my prosecutor's first federal case. Your lady? Wow. All these plays, you gotta know this God. Because that don't happen in a federal system. You know what I'm sayin'? So I try to tell people all the time, like you can't go off my situation because I want, I gotta quit it. You gotta understand the power of God and that he had a reason for doing what he did. For me. Man. And you learned your lesson from this one. Of course I learned my lesson, but even more, the lesson wasn't for me, the lesson was for people. The lessons for what he doin' right here right now. Exactly. Saying that you can make it through no matter what. Exactly. God on your side. You feel me? That's the message. I understand that, but the reason why I said you learned your lesson, because with all the other times that you got in trouble, you still went back and did your same stuff. Well, let me say this. So that's the reason why I'm sayin' that. Well, I'm gonna say this, right? I always was conscious of whatever I was doin' in life. It was just my choice. You know what I'm sayin'? My sister come from the same household. Right. You feel me? I've never done no wrong or dare in her life. You know what I'm sayin'? She don't mess with them streets. Nothing like my sister has always been my motivation. You feel me? To do the right thing. She always wanted to have me ahead of the game, even though she knew our circumstance. But when she made it out of college, she always wanted to make sure I was up on the fashion, make sure my credit was good, make sure I had credit cards, make sure I, you know what I'm sayin'? Everything on a positive level that you needed as a support system, my sister tried to place it in my life. You know what I'm sayin'? That's love. Yeah, of course. You know what I'm sayin'? But my choice was my choice because the streets has always been what I know. You know what I'm sayin'? And I know eventually I would transition. You know what I'm sayin'? But growing up, that's what I knew. Let me ask you this. Did Jesus camp or any of those people come around at that point? No. Let me tell you, the only time he came around was when after I won, he called my manager. Which I get it. I get it. I do. You know what I'm sayin'? But this is what I don't get, right? Is when I was going to court, my sister needed my contract. So she went to the office to try to get my contract from them. They had her waitin' for like two hours. You know what I'm sayin'? For your character, just to build your character. To show that I wasn't a local rapper. Like I was really signed to a label. Def Jam Records, like Universal. Like they wouldn't do it. You know what I'm sayin'? No, they didn't come out. They had her waitin' for two hours and then come out office. You know what I'm sayin'? I eventually got it. You know what I'm sayin'? Not from them, but from the lawyer, but you feel me? And that really, it put a bit of taste in my mouth. You know what I'm sayin'? So when I got out, he was like, he was in Vegas for the Florida Middle World to fight. And he was like, he hit my manager phone. He was like, man, put Ro on the phone. So I'm talkin' to him like, bro, man, I want you to fly to Vegas. You feel me? You know what I'm sayin'? So I'm like, no, bro, I see you when I get back to London. I'm chillin' with my family right now. You know what I'm sayin'? That's real. Yeah, you know what I'm sayin'? You know, when I got back, we started recordin' and that's when I recorded my mixtape indictment papers with DJ Drummer. Yeah. You know what I'm sayin'? And the mixtape got on fire. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm sayin'? I started doin' shows. I was on the road doin' shows. And then that's when he called me and was like, you know, I want to finish this USC project. Yeah, I did right there. I'm gonna show you how to get some real money. Like, you know what I'm sayin'? Like, stop doin' them shows. So that's what I did and I came in. Talkin' about the shows, you had a van and you was ridin' around here. Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah, you was doin' your thing. Definitely, I had all that before. But you still was doin' that. And you had a Def Jam deal. You see what I'm sayin'? So evidently, you had to create your own wave or how does that happen? Did they put a budget behind you during that time? How was that? Well, okay, so. You see what I'm sayin'? I'm lookin' at it. The way you movin'. Right. So I did everything up until me gettin' signed to him. Once I got signed to him, then we went and did the USDA project. After the USDA project, I was the first artist from CTE to be signed to Def Jam. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm sayin'? So I did my solo album, which came number five on Billboard. My like, the true testimony. Yeah. You know what I'm sayin'? Well, they dropped the ball on my solo album. You know what I'm sayin'? Of course, I had Louis Bagg at number 19 on Billboard's, right? So my product manager, my ENR, Dave Vaughn Washington, he was tryin' to go for me a top 10 record. You know what I'm sayin'? And he was aggressive about it. Well, they didn't like that, you know what I'm sayin'? And some way, mysteriously, he got fired. You feel me? So a month before my album come out, I don't have no ENR. He the only person who know me because he got to know me. Like, he know my story, he know everything. Like, you feel me? So I'm coming to the... Who fired him? Delabel fired him, but it had to be... Let's be real. It's gotta be from, it had to been from Jeezy. You feel me? Cause he was asking for more money. Did you think that he was, why would Jeezy not wanna see you win though? I have no idea. I can't answer that question. What did you think it was competition? You ego, we just talked about ego. I mean, you know what I'm sayin'? Like, me as him, at this time, being my brother, you don't wanna think that. You know what I'm sayin'? But I'm just tryin' to... But the people around you, the people around you gonna always tell it how it is. Yeah, you know what I'm sayin'? His actions gonna show how it is. You feel me? So I just say this, right? I came to the Def Jam building to do my album cover. So at this time, I got Def Jam on my side. You know what I'm sayin'? Louis Bag going crazy or whatever, right? And soon as I come to the building, I come in the door, we comin' up the stairs and they blastin' put on for my city on the ready, I mean, on the music in the building. Now I got my record goin' and out of one, Def Jam, you feel me? Soon as I come in the building, they got his record goin' playin'. So my sister called me all day, so I find an answer. She like, I can't believe this. I'm like, what's goin' on? She like, they played a Young Jesus record like 20 fuckin' times on the radio. You know what I'm sayin'? So she like, this is crazy. How could they do that? And you got a record that's buildin' on Billboard. Like, why would they do that? You know what I'm sayin'? Yeah, that's real. So I'm like, I'm here to you back. I'm in the office, you know what I'm sayin'? So that's goin' on. So I'm doin' my XXL interview. I'm doin' on my Source Magazine interview. You know what I'm sayin'? And me, I'm still tryin' to be positive because for one, I'm grateful for the opportunity and I'm a hustle. I'm just like, you know what I'm sayin'? If I could get through the door, I'ma be able to do what I need to do. You know what I'm sayin'? But I'm not even all the way through the door yet and it's goin' on. You know what I'm sayin'? So I go through that part, then come to find out, they take my video and they says that Louis Vuitton have a problem so they gotta, B-E-T won't play it. You know what I'm sayin'? Because of the Louis Vuitton. Now I done seen Rick Ross, Ghostface, Killer, all these boys have Gucci and Louis in all of their video. You feel me? So that's the story that they tell me, right? So keep in mind my album about to drop. I don't have no video on TV or nothin'. You know what I'm sayin'? So we agree to do the record I had with Manny Fresh called Almost Dead. That was gonna be the second scene where we gonna shoot a video for it real fast. And pull it out. I mean, and pull it out. Well, that never happened. You know what I'm sayin'? And my album come out, the week of my album coming out, well, the day of my album coming out, one of my friends called me in Florida. He like, bro, I'm in Walmart trying to get it. I don't see it. Damn. You know what I'm sayin'? So my sister called. She like, I'm tryin' to, I'm in Walmart, I don't see the album. I'm like, what's goin' on? So all these questions, I'm like, I don't got no answers. This my first time doin' this. Like, I don't know. So I call him on the phone, I'm like, bro, it's good. You call GZ. Yeah. He like, he like, what's good, man? You know what I'm sayin'? Let me back it up first about the record. He leaked, I mean, the record put on for my city. He told me that Kanye Westem leaked the record. You know what I'm sayin'? He like, I know how you feel. You know what I'm sayin'? I felt like that when Jay-Z done did that to me. You know what I'm sayin'? Like, it's all good, bro, ain't trippin', you know what I'm sayin'? Like, it is what it is, cause I'm hustlin', you feel me? So my album come out, I call him on the phone, so I'm tellin' him, like, bro, like, you know, people callin' me, they like the album in in Walmart. He like, man, you free, I'm like, let me hit you back. So I'm like, cool, so I'm at DTLR doing my in-store. And he callin' me back, he like, bro, he like, man, he like, bro, like, man, don't be mad, man, but Kink then print up a clean version. He like, this some bullshit. He always tried to blame it on Kink, you feel me? So, you know what I'm sayin'? So here I am, you know how important havin' a clean version of your album at this time, because DJs are not gonna play it unless you have a clean version. Especially radio DJs, they're not cleanin' nothin'. They gon' get the album, the clean version album, and that's how they're gonna play it. Exactly. So, you hand it, count me, wrap that off real. You know what I'm sayin'? So it's like, I can't believe it, so I'm like, I'm in tears, bro, cause I call Kink. No, I ain't call Kink at this time because you feel me like, me and Kink relationship then was cool, but like I said, me and Jesus was more like brothers, like you feel me? So you, in your heart, still didn't feel like he might've did anything to sabotage your situation? I feel it, but I don't wanna believe it. You feel me? I feel it, but I don't wanna believe it. It's like, with your brother or one of your homeboys, bro, you don't wanna look at nobody like that. Like, ain't no way he could do this. You know what I'm sayin'? Like something else gotta be goin' on, you feel me? So long story short, you know what I'm sayin'? I'm steady grindin', you know, at this time, I'm payin' for magazine covers out my pocket, you feel me? I got my own publicist, you know what I'm sayin'? Kim Ellis, shout out to Kim Ellis. But you got the deal still. Oh yeah, I got the deal, but I'm still doin' things on my own because I know that I'm bein' handicapped, so I gotta still try and get through. Yeah, try and make it through. So I'm sayin', yeah, you feel me? And you know, by God's grace, I still was able to have a number five album on Billboard, but just think if I had the support, the real support of what I supposed to have. The right infrastructure. You know what I'm sayin'? So long story short, I got through that, you know what I'm sayin'? Did you ever address it with Jeezy? Yeah, I addressed it. I addressed it. When did that happen? How long after that? After, okay, so keep in mind. Now, y'all, this here is when your album debut, and this is your everything. Yeah. And you go through all of this and you know already these things have held you back. Yeah. And you finally got a chance. This after y'all did all the party and hangin' out, y'all kickin' it. We used to live together, bro. Damn, y'all stayed together? Yeah, we had a spot called The Thug Mansion, like big, big crib, you feel me? And this was before that or after that? This was before that, like during this whole time. You know what I'm sayin'? But that was before that. When my album came, I went and moved to my own crib. You feel me? But when you asked somebody, let's get to that part. Okay, so I asked them about it. My second, okay, so my- A second time? No. We was getting ready for my second album because LA Reed told GZ, they dropped the ball. I don't wanna hear nothin' else but a Bloodraw album. So my budget was open for my second project, but he was the only one then signed off. GZ was? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, so- That was our opener, wasn't it? Yeah, so Joe Barino, LA Reed signed off. He was the only signature that didn't sign off. You feel me? And he has to sign off. Yeah, he has to sign off. He got 18 months to sign off to put out an album or release me. Why do you think he didn't sign off? I have no idea, bro. Did you ask him? Well, we had this conversation of, you know what I'm sayin'? Him never supportin' me, never bein' to my show. We met at Gladys Night Chicken and Waffle, right? Oh yeah, I've been there. So we met there, you know what I'm sayin'? And we sat down, I told him everything that was goin' on. You feelin' me, like how I feel or whatever. You know what I'm sayin'? And he was like, I never looked at it like that way, man. Like, you know what I'm sayin'? Like, bro, like, we gon' get this shit together. You feelin' me? Like, look me in my eyes. Like, we gon' get this shit together, you know what I'm sayin'? And he gave me his new number or whatever. You feelin' me? Gave me a hug. He was like, you know what I'm sayin'? Matter of fact, when you get back to Florida, send me a record. I'mma jump on it so we could put it out to let people know, like, we good. You feelin' me? But at this point, he still didn't sign and you knew that he didn't sign? No, no, no, no. At this point, he didn't, it wasn't this. This was before, this was before, this was before all of that. Before the second, before the second budget. Okay, okay, so you didn't know all of that yet? Right, yeah. This is when I had done just left. Like, you feelin' me? Like, I ain't talkin' to nobody. You're frustrated. Yeah, I ain't talkin' to nobody. You know what I'm sayin'? So he called me, he said, whatever, and I told him. So when I get back to Florida, get registered, sendin' the record. I called him to try to tell him that I sent the record, right? And his number off. Like, it's been changed. You feel me, like. Damn. And that was supposed to be the new number he had given you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you feel like he changed his number so he wouldn't have to deal with it? I mean, that's the only conclusion. At some point, you gotta start sayin' okay, this happen at two plus two equals four. Right, so yeah, I'm definitely believin' like. That's crazy. Y'all had a hell of a run when you think about cold summer. Oh yeah. That was the buildup, right? Yeah, yeah. That buildup is what caused all this other stuff to happen. And when it was buildin' up, y'all had to have some good time. Y'all was killin' it back in that time. Yeah, we had. Because it wasn't all bad. No, no, no, no, no. We had, man, we had probably the best times of my life. Like, you know what I'm sayin'? Like, we really, you know, we traveled the world. How was that, White Girl? How was that whole, how did y'all, I gotta get into the intrinsic, the details of that. Right. How was it doin' that part? It was lovely, man. It was lovely. Who set that up? Who named the album? Who came up with this? We all did. So y'all did it together? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I gotta get that part out. We probably recorded, we probably recorded the album list in 30 days. Oh, y'all did that in 30 days? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We woke up, we partied, came back to the studio, partied, and then woke up again. You know what I'm sayin'? Are you serious? Yeah, like, we literally did it, probably in the studio. In Atlanta? Yeah, Atlanta, yeah. And basically, the videos and all that, but they opened the budget up to you guys, right? Well, yeah, we really, to be honest, we didn't really... It didn't cost that much? No, no, it didn't cost that much. You know what I'm sayin'? And at this time, you feel me? We got a whole lotta backflag for White Girl. That's what I know. I know, that was a hell of a song. That was a hell of a time. We probably was the first people to get into the Me Too movement. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm sayin'? Talkin' about Christina Aguilera. You feel me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was really on us, heavy, you know what I'm sayin'? What were some instances that happened with that that made you know that, damn, we kinda walkin' a tight rope here? When Jay-Z called us. Jay called you? Yeah, he called us, he called us. You know what I'm sayin'? Like, man, what is y'all doin'? He knew y'all was on it. Yeah. Y'all were chillin'. We wasn't talkin' about Christina Aguilera. You know what we was talkin' about. I know what you talkin' about. You know what I'm sayin'? But they didn't get it, you feel me? But we had so many records on there, it really didn't matter, you know what I'm sayin'? So we shot that one and only White Girl video, and then we shot the Corporate Thugging video, which our film got No Key Put It Together, and then they took it from No Key and got somebody bigger to redo it. But No Key really did all of that, you know what I'm sayin'? Yeah. And that's basically it, like it was a win-win for the CTE label, you know what I'm sayin'? That's why they said they presented it as a mixtape. Yeah, they did. Or a official mixtape. But it was an album, you know what I'm sayin'? And that album really solidified me gettin' my deal. Like, you know what I'm sayin'? Me gettin' my solo deal. Slick wasn't even signed to Def Jam. I was the only artist like, you see? He just signed to Def Jam. And they lost their label deal because of me. Like, they didn't do right by me. Not you, it caused everything to crumble. Exactly. Because you God's child. Better believe it. Ooh! Better believe it. Yeah! That's the whole game, right? That's pretty much how I was able to get out of my deal, even though it was 18 months. Yeah. In the rap game, that's a long time. That's a long time. For nobody to not be able to deal with me. Like, I couldn't talk to no other label. I couldn't, you know what I'm sayin'? Because I'm goin' through this situation. You know, when you sign to somebody, labels, they can't touch you. It's kinda like sports. You know what I'm sayin'? You can't talk to Tom Brady. Another team can't talk to him. Uh-uh. You know what I'm sayin'? And that was just the whole situation. Like, they didn't even, man. Let me ask you this, crazy. A lot of people's career died over 18 months. A lot of people's career died four months. And four months. I just wanna ask you about moving around during that time. And I know the Gucci and G-Z thing had happened. How was, did you guys, how did y'all, did you ever have any experience where you were like, I can't deal with these people because, you know what I'm sayin'? Because I'm over here on this side. And I don't even wanna get caught looking that way. Were those instances happening? Well, overall, overall, that was my brother. So I never really, I wouldn't ever put myself in that situation. Correct. So you was always with G-Z? Oh, yeah, I was always with him. 24 self. But that's the thing about it. Like, I've never had an issue. Did you know the beef was going on though? Of course, I got signed on. Yeah, when I got signed, the beef had just started. Yeah, cause I talked to DJ Ace and he told me about how he felt like it started. You know DJ Ace started? Yeah, no DJ Ace. Yeah, yeah. So it happened literally when I got signed, you know what I'm sayin'? But the thing about, how did you feel about it though? I need to know, cause you step, it's your brother. But y'all gotta move in a certain way in order for y'all to even keep this thing going. Let's be real. Of course, of course. But listen, man, like we changed the game on how people move. Like we really moved. Heard about that. Yeah, like we really moved. We definitely was 50 deep. Gutter TV was on there and he said that the way y'all move, he said that G-Z would never get caught up in a situation like Nipsey. Did you see that when he said that? Yeah, ever, ever. Like ever. Because of the way that y'all move and the way that y'all dealt with this situation, y'all would never, ever get caught up in that. Yeah, we had a motto, you violate, we demonstrate. Damn. Like it was just that simple. Like no matter where we went, no matter where we went. Like, you know what I'm sayin'? And the thing about it is though, for real, for real, like everybody wanted to be a part of what we had going on. So it was love. A lot of love. Yeah, it was love, no matter where we went. Cincinnati, Detroit, Chicago, wherever. So after you hadn't spoken to G-Z after that time, did you ever, cause you're going out, you're going different places that I'm sure that he's also there at the same time. No, no, no, no, we never seen each other. You never seen each other, spoke to each other? Bro, I didn't be honest. Yeah, I'm in Florida. I went out of Florida to be, you know what I'm sayin'? Even when I went out in Atlanta, like I've never, I haven't seen him in years. How many years has it been since you've seen G-Z? It's probably since, probably 2010, to be honest. 10 years? At least. 12. 12 years? Yeah, yeah. And you've been all over the city, everywhere. Oh yeah, I haven't seen each other, now, outside. I'm here by myself. That's right. Like, you outside. Yeah, I've always been this type of person, like, for real, for real. So you haven't spoken to him, hadn't seen him, and you guys was like brothers, living together and everything else. Oh yeah. Do you think that it's because of people, you know, deciding that it's better for them to move on, cause you gotta realize G-Z did the same thing. Oh, I'll go there, don't play with me. G-Z moved away from his whole team. It was a time when he split the whole thing up, and they took this one and took that one, and G-Z was managed by, wasn't it by G-Z? He was linked with him? No, I'm not sure. Was he, was he, he was linked to him pretty good. Yeah, it was cool. That was cool. They were just cool friends. Do you think it's something in the air to where people, once they get to another level, they wanna go to the next level, they have to detach themselves from others? Well, I don't think not necessarily. I understand what you're saying. They do that for people who still in the streets. Okay. But I'm talking about, this is a whole other situation, like, I'm gonna say this, right? If you can get on national TV and do a versus with Gucci Man. Yeah, that's something. Then you can't fix what happened with you and your brother, like, you know what I'm saying? Wow, that's heavy. You can't even take me out of this equation. If you can't, you can't, you could get on national TV and fix it with Rick Ross, but you can't fix it with your brother, Ken. Wow. Who you say bought the mic for you. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just like the host, I don't, I don't understand it. I don't understand it. You know what I'm saying? You know, and for me, it is what it is. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know that I done right. Let me tell you something, man. Ken killed Abel for nothing. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing, yeah. For jealousy. Yeah, yeah. It's a dangerous thing, brother. Yeah. You was telling me about scaling and you've number five and. Yeah. Don't you understand what's literally happening? Right. You understand? I mean, the devil is busy, bro. Oh yeah, for sure. And he's real. Yeah. And you just said that he can step on stage with who and do this with that and do that, but I'm a spiritual guy. Yeah. The devil come to still kill and destroy. Oh man. A divided house cannot stand. Right. So this thing is steadily gonna be divisive. Even with the, with the verses happening, do you think that changed anything? I have no idea. But you understand what I'm saying? Like it didn't look, it didn't look too. Right. It was a good look for the culture, but at the end of the day, did it mean the bridge? It gave a look. No, definitely not, definitely not, definitely not. So it's just, all I'm saying is the devil. Now I'm not saying nothing about their business. Right. I'm just telling you the devil. Right, of course. It's very busy. Gotta believe it. He love what's going on with you and G-Z right now. Yeah. He love what's going on with, what's the other one name you just named? King. King, he love that. Right. Yeah, he love that. That's what he do. Yeah. We gotta be big enough to figure out a way to love through it. Gotta believe it. And it's not easy. Nah. If you saw G-Z right now, what would you say to him? I'm gonna be honest, bro. Like honestly, if I see, this is the crazy part because I already know how it's gonna go. I know how it's gonna go because it just went the same way with him and Frida Gibbs. Okay. Like he just, if we met each other right now, he would say, man, come on, man, what we doing? Instead of saying, bro, I was wrong. Like, how can we fix this? Oh, you don't think he'll even. He won't do that. Like that's the crazy part. Like, you know what I'm saying? If I done something wrong, bro, I would be man enough to be like, you feel me? Like, bro, I fucked up. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, how can we fix this? And if we can't fix it, it's cool. But as long as I got that to you, that telling you that, bro, I messed up. You know what I'm saying? Wow. For whatever reason, bro, for whatever reason. You know what I'm saying? I don't got no ill will against you. You know what I'm saying? I just, for me, it's about you know, you fucked up. And you know, a lot of times, the people that we've interviewed that had these issues with different things that happened in these over the years. It's, believe it or not, it's a mental illness in there. I'm being real. Because it's blockage. It's unforgiveness. It's all type of things playing games to where people, not only you, even Jeezy. It's blockage there, bro. I don't care how much money you get. I don't care how many times you can fly out. This thing right here is serious, bro. Better believe it. And this thing right here, even more serious. Oh yeah, better believe it. So we ain't, he got to connect the dots. You got to connect the dots. I love the, I'm a big Jeezy fan. What's your one? I'm a big Jeezy fan. I'm a big fan of the whole CTE movie. I'm a fan of music, bro. That's our culture. It's the most powerful thing to bring in our people out of poverty. Right, better believe it. You see what I'm saying? So I love to see the Jesus, the Gucci's, the TIs, the yellow bezies, all these different people are scaling. Right. I love it, bro. But I hate to see the things that causes us not to be able to connect the dots. But even yet in steel, that's going to happen anyway. Whether you a celebrity or not, here I go again. There's issues, bro. In our people, in our existence, the things that our people been through, it don't matter how you pretty it up, it's still going to be an issue there. I really think that. But we still got to talk about it. These mics, like you said earlier, just the conversation has to happen. The breakthrough happens in the conversation. But when there's no conversation, no communication, the relationship continues to die. Better believe it. That's why you say we ain't talked for 10 years, 12 years. Because that's where the problem lies. The communication is not linear. If you don't talk to God, what happens? Better believe it. You're going to go out here and do so. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you said, I talked to God, man. Right. And I'd be in bad situation. What have you had to be in? Exactly, yeah. You would have been in the crash that long, long time ago, in a big way. Better believe it. Right? So let's talk about the book. I was just about to ask him about that. Oh, they look boy on air. Girl, that's me. Boy is stopping. I can tell you look the same. I can see that. Man, I love this, man. So what drove you to write a book? Man, the story of your life, man. You said it's Fall of Junior, A.K. Blood Raw, man. This is live, bro. Yeah, man. I love it, bro. Yeah, I appreciate it. I think y'all can keep that, too. I've never heard that last name. Falson. You see this? Godspeed. I love this dude, man. You're going to miss trying to get flew back. Yeah. Man, I love it, bro. Yeah, that's crazy. Wow, you did that, man. Listen, man, where you came from? Yeah. Man, your testimony power. I appreciate it. I mean, for your mom to go to prison, a two-time die at the age of you, you was 10 when she passed away. But do you know what God did? God did a lot, bro. I already know, bro. And then you walked in it. Yeah, that's where I said it. Everything happens for a reason. Even you meeting your dad the way how you did and I know you didn't spend a lot of time with him, but you got to spend some time with him. Oh, yeah, exactly, yeah. There are people who've never, ever been able to have that. Right, man. We had brothers on here, mom and dad got killed while they was three months old, 10 brothers. It's serious, bro. They was in orphanage the whole been, yeah, prison for a long time, years and years. Matter of fact, he write books too, man. This is what we do, bro. We love our people, man. For sure, for sure. I appreciate it. I hope we doing you justice on Boss Talk, what ain't what. Right, for sure, for sure. Bosses talk, man. But no, man, you're just an extraordinary dude, man, when it comes down to the coaching, to the movement of what, you know, our people need to see this right here. For sure, I appreciate it. That's what this platform was put here for. So people could see, man. People are gonna be all right, but we're gonna want to do some changes. Exactly. But we're gonna be all right. I know the fact that you are, I just can't wait to the day that you do get to see Jeezy, that you do get to see whoever might have been in your life where you able to mend those different things. But if not. Right, right, right, right. I'm still the one in control of this thing and he the one to make it happen on, don't let it happen. Exactly, yeah. Right, yeah, better believe it. So what, top three artists of all time did our lives. Any genre. Okay, okay, okay. You got the any genre. Right. Number one. Definitely, two-part. Two-part? He did that. Number two. Uh, Scarface. That was, you're in Texas, man. You know you in Texas? Yeah, of course. Did you do that? No, no, no, no. Anybody know me like when I first started rapping, like that was my, he was my influence. Bad, ain't it? Yeah. Definitely. Who's number three? Trick Daddy. Trick Daddy Cole, too. He gotta rap Florida. Yeah, but now I'm just talking about this. You know how I be telling niggas, I say, let me tell you something, man. Y'all be hollering Jay-Z, but if Jay-Z getting the boof and I got Scarface, you niggas, you're in trouble. Am I right? Definitely, definitely. This is gonna be some problems, ain't it, man? Definitely, definitely. Because a lot of people took their style away from Scarface, man. Of course. That movement, man. That movement was early on, bro. Yeah, better believe it. It was early on. Who started first? From who? Jay-Z or Scarface. Jay-Z was around, but he wasn't rapping like that. Yeah, he was rapping different stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, definitely. It wasn't like now. Yeah. I was just checking. I didn't know who I came first. But Scarface? Yeah. You gonna get it every time. You gonna get that story right. But Scarface, man, that rapper the way how he rapped from day one. Always, always the same. Hard with the stories, man. Hard with, that's why we call him the best rapper alive. Me and Mr. Lee said that. Music is a preference, though. You know what I'm saying? You know, that's why the argument will always be an argument. You know what I'm saying? Who the best? Right. Yeah, yeah, now you're right. Who you liking right now when you look at these at our, and how do you look at the rap game now? You come from it. Right. I like a lot what's going on, man. I like a lot what's going on. A lot, I listen to a lot of artists, bro. Like no bullshit, you feel me? At last night, of course, I was listening to the Little Baby album. All right, all right. I'm definitely an NBA Young Boy fan. Ooh. You know what I'm saying? He wears hard on his sleeve. Yeah, yeah, he does. Yeah, I definitely was a MOT3 fan. Like for real, for real. You was a MOT3 fan? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. As a matter of fact, I got my, my outside raw mix is probably like almost two million views. Ooh. Like my raw mix is crazy. It's crazy. I gotta go get that. I gotta pull that up. Oh, yeah. You playing, I'm pulling that up. The nice nigga. For real, for real. But yeah. So what made you do it? You just like the way he... Yeah, now I love, I love the way, I love the soul. You know what I'm saying? I love the soul, I love the pain. You feel me? Like, that's the type of artist I am. Like if you talking about the pain in the streets, like, you know what I'm saying? You gonna get my attention. Yeah, you gonna get my attention. Wow. You feel me? And you could just feel it in his music. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So how did you... Is your mama in this picture right here? Let me see. That's my little nephew. Oh, that's your nephew. And who is the woman? Well, let me see. I didn't know it was a woman back then. You know, that's the day of my mama's funeral. So who is that? That little boy is your... Yeah, that's my... Not nephew, but my cousin. And then the woman? That's a woman, right? No, that's me right here. That's not you. You see, my own bro, that's from football. Let me tell you the story about that, right? Let me see. My own was broke. My own was broke, right? So I was, I had a football game. And I was running crazy. Like I was running crazy at night or whatever. And I was just tired. So I laid down at like something's wrong with my arm. Like on everything I looked, I didn't know that my arm was broke. You know what I'm saying? So, but until they took me to the hospital, and then that happened. Okay, what was crazy was getting ready for the championship. And I had the cast on. And I told my coach that my grandma said I could play. You feel me? Like I said, my grandma used to work from nine in the morning to 10 at night. Well, somebody must have told my grandma that I was playing football. She took off work, came in the middle of the game. You feel me? And called me to the sideline, told me, you know what I'm saying? I was finna get a whooping or whatever. Yeah, I was about to say that. You know what I'm saying? And then took me out of the game. No, it was broke. I didn't think nothing was wrong. But you out there trying to play. I just wanted to play, you wanted to play. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I still played. I was about to say, you still played. I still played a broken arm. Exactly, yo. Man, that's cool. Yeah, I'm gonna read this book, too. Yeah, definitely. Man, I just, you know, I definitely appreciate you for coming on the show. But like I want to make sure that I didn't miss nothing. Didn't leave nothing unturned. Everything was solid. You know, Florida, Rick Ross, Birdman, Babynium. You ever run into those guys? We was on tour number home. Okay, how was that? Oh, it was dope. It was dope. Adam Boyd move. They look a little, they look like they're ready for action. I mean, just the music wise today. Well, I mean, yeah, of course, of course. But you know what I'm saying? Like, they didn't really move. Like we was moving. Y'all move different. Yeah, but they had, you know what I'm saying? They had their people. Like you feel me? They definitely had their people and they was ready. You know what I'm saying? But they really, you know what I'm saying? You know, they really, I don't look at cash money as like being from the streets like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like of course they from the hood, but you know what I'm saying? Like they weren't doing what we was doing. Y'all came in the game young, too. Yeah. And it was already the move. Some Birdman came in early. Yeah. Y'all came in when it was already popping. Exactly. And so y'all came in that whole, like we motivated, we motivated niggas who was getting money. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like they was rapping like, you know what I'm saying? Even though they from the hood, they was rapping. But we was motivating street niggas like, you know what I'm saying? They want to come to the club and want to show their money. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, yeah. Y'all was motivating niggas. Yeah. Y'all was kicking it, too. Yeah. That white girl, that thing was going crazy, nigga. Yeah. I got one last question. Cause you said that right before when you saw your dad the last time, you were going up there shooting a documentary. Yeah, my documentary. Yeah. What happened to the documentary? Well, it's getting ready to come out. All right. Yeah. I'm just waiting. Big Rube who, you know Big Rube? You heard of Big Rube before? Well, Big Rube, he narrated the documentary. So I'm just waiting on him to turn it in and we're going to put it out. But the documentary, man, it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable, bro. You're going to cry watching it. It's unbelievable. All right. She want every nigga to cry, man. No, no, no. You're going to cry. You're definitely going to cry watching it. When I think about that's the last time you were in the book. You're in the book. You're in the book. But when I think about it, that's the last time you really, you know, have footage of your dad before he passed away. That's the part that to me is touching. But I really, what's touching to me is about his mom going to prison twice and then dying at 10 years old and he having a 10, 11, 12, 13 series years right there. Because y'all trying to figure out what's going on. And y'all already with, well, how long was she gone? Do you remember that or somebody told you when she went to prison those two times? No, I remember. I remember she probably went, she probably went, when I was probably like three for probably about 16 months. And then when I was like seven, like two years, seven or eight for like two years. I would have it when she came on. Oh yeah, man. Like listen, man, I was a mama's boy. Like for real, for real. Listen, my mom died on Halloween, bro. She asked me before she went out. I was in, I'll never forget. I was in front of the TV, sitting on the floor in front of the TV at my grandma house. She was like, baby, I'm gonna go out. Can I go out? You know what I'm saying? I'm coming back. Like, you know what I'm saying? So I'm like, yeah, you good. You feel me? And her and my auntie and my uncle, they went out. You know what I'm saying? And that was just it. I remember the police coming to our house that morning. And guess what? We really kind of like, they didn't tell me and my sister that my mama died. Like they just sent us to school. Right, I remember you said that. You know what I'm saying? But I, you know, as a kid, you could pick up on certain things. They're protecting you. That's what we do. Because I remember when my grandfather died in the same house that I was living in. At least your mom didn't pass away there. My grandfather died that day. And I remember them saying, you know, send us to school. I didn't know what was going on. And he passed away before we left for school. It's when I came back, they got, I think for adults, they gotta get their composure and everything else to deal with the child. So in order for them to do that, like, you know, send you away so I can grieve, I can do everything and be tough. So by the time you come back home, I can deal with you. And be there for you. That's what I'm thinking in my mind. Right, right, right, right. I gotta ask them something. I'm going, this probably be my last thing. It's all good. I wanna ask you about that Rick Ross and Jesus situation. That was another thing that y'all dealt with. But I was gone then. But you was gone. Yeah, I was gone then. So you and him wasn't, that was before, so that's a part of the time y'all hadn't talked to all that. That's after, that's after I left. They got into it later on, they sure did. And you was on the outside looking in. You was like, yeah, it's going down. And there right on top. Yeah. Yeah, I think, I wanna say Jay-Z was a part of that for show. Yeah. I think Caliq did it, I think. Caliq did it? Caliq or somebody, I can't remember who did it, but I know, I seen who did it, but I can't remember. Just happened, man. Like I said, I'd love to see everybody be able to do something on a reunion tour, like Master Penium. They got it. Everybody done done it, bro. Everybody figured it out. Even 50 did it with G-Unit. 50 did it. You know what I'm saying? But Jesus, the only one that ain't done it? Yeah, but it's the crazy part, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like he gonna be who he is. You feel me like one of the greatest all time, like for real, for real. Oh, he that guy. But his legacy, he's not gonna have a real legacy without including us, because for your legacy, you gotta be the dead son for somebody else to make you who you really supposed to be. That's true. You know what I'm saying? So I just don't get it why, you know what I'm saying? Why, you know, he won't even, from a business standpoint or a legacy standpoint, you know what I'm saying? Say I'ma write my wrongs. You know what I think about? I think about that scripture because this is one thing that I read one time a long time ago. You know, like when you mad at somebody and that's why I know God talked to you in different ways and you might can tell me where it's from. I don't remember where it's found. But it's telling you like if you have something, you know, with somebody else before you go to God, you gotta leave your gift at the altar and go and reconcile, you know, with everybody before you come and present this gift. And when I saw that I'm like, you know what, I'm not gonna make nobody stop me from going where I need to go. Exactly, yeah. So even if you don't accept my apology or you don't accept anything, I'm gonna set my wrongs right. I'm gonna come to you and whether apologize, whether I felt that you were wrong, but just because I know that you're mad at me, I'm gonna be the bigger person and be like, you know what, I forgive you, you forgive, you know, whether you forgive me or not, you know, I'm asking for your forgiveness. Right. Forgive me for whatever that you thought that I did or, you know, whatever I've done. And whether you say, you know what, I don't forgive you, whatever, I'm like, okay, well, I did what I was supposed to do. Exactly, yeah. But I really feel that everybody out there, you know, should do something like that, you know, because we don't know the time that we're gonna go. There's no, and we don't know when God is gonna come back because nobody knows. Yeah. So why are you gonna go knowing that somebody might be mad at you or you might be mad at somebody? Because I've heard this so many times where girls, not men, but girls, you know, girls be mad at each other or whatever and don't talk for years. Right. Thinking that, oh, we gonna make it up one day, we gonna make it up one day and then all of a sudden that person is going like, oh, I thought I had more time. Yeah, that's the worst thing you could do is think you got time, yeah. I thought that I had more time to reconcile, why are you waiting for that time? Why not do it now? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but a lot of it, you know, a lot of it is hard to see too when you're a fan and you're just on the outside looking in because I always have love Jesus movement. Right. And then you hear these stories, these podcasts bringing everything out. Yeah. Cause people are really telling you, this is what went down with these situations. Yeah. So a lot of times you will hear this stuff through podcasting and stuff, you know, I wish there would have been a podcast around when I'm a PMC friend. Okay, for sure. Yeah. I wish they'd have had a podcast. Oh yeah, he would have been so on fire. What? Because you know, people, they love drumming, so he, you know what I'm saying? He gonna talk it. I wish they'd have had a podcast. Yeah, he gonna, he can't be gonna talk it. He can't be gonna talk it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. Him and Jesus, it was sad they had a little run in. He said some things about 17, five and y'all, you know, y'all, hey, it was some niggas sitting on some dope prices, man. That's not a big deal. It was questionable, man. There was some questionable dope prices, man. Are you insane, sirs, niggas? It was questionable. It ain't, but I'm saying though, that's the thing, right? Go ahead. It ain't what you know, it's who you know. Well, you got, yeah, you got to come down. We go to the valley down here. You used to back in them days. Yeah, we get down by that water. Y'all by that water a little bit too, though, but we deep down by that water. Man, thank you for coming on Ball's Talk, man. So I can people get all done if they trying to link with you, book you a show, do something with you, man. You could get at me on Instagram, Blood Row One, the number one, Blood Row One, the number one. I got a new album about to drop. Let's go! Y'all call Back in the Trenches, you know what I'm saying? You love that music, don't you? Oh, yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely. And I dropped my first album being back because I took a six year break. You know what I'm saying? I didn't do music for six years, like for real, for real. I kind of, you know what I'm saying? Depression? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Depression? Not, well, it's a form of depression, but you know what I'm saying? For me, I just was kind of like, man, this shit ain't real. You know what I'm saying? I've heard that so many times, I've heard that a lot. That's true, what are you saying? Yeah, so, you know what I'm saying? I kind of like it, but you know, my fans, man, I got some of the best fans in the world. They in my inbox, they text message, they call me like, you know what I'm saying? And telling me what my music do for them, what to get them through, niggas in prison, like you know what I'm saying? And I came back and I did the Hush Project, which Hush stand for hustling to something happen. You know what I'm saying? It's on all platforms, go get it. But like I say, that Back in the Trenches is gonna be crazy. Do you think it's, you gonna give me some visuals on all of it? Oh yeah, definitely. I'm gonna give you visuals all of it. Yeah, everything. Yeah. Everything, it's supposed to have visuals, man. Yeah, we doing crazy visuals on this new album, man. I'm triggered, right? But the DSLRs out here, these camera man, we supposed to see this thing. Yeah, better believe it, better believe it. And I do the type of music that you gotta bring in life. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So people wanna see that, like, damn, what? He was telling my dad for real, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, we definitely doing a lot of visuals. And the book, you could get it on Amazon. It's on Kendall, you know what I'm saying? Go get it, man. You feel me? Man, go get that boy's book, man. That boy, hey, this man, he got a story, his testimony, his touching, man. It's gonna help some people. That's what it's all about, man. He showed up, man. Lil' Raw in the building, man. Oh man. Check it, man. Hey, man. It's been another great segment. A boss talk 101, what a boss is talk. Oh man. Man, we out.