 Big shit, big shit, big shit, it's a unique hustle, nigga, big shit, big shit, big shit, name another podcast like this, we're gonna bring it to the table, boss top. Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy, E-C-E-O, and I'm here with the lovely amazing official, Mr. Mako, what's going on, man, what's going on, look here man, hey man, listen man, hey man, sometimes you just run into things and you don't know how it happens man. This guy's here, man, walking like Jordan is in the building, man, what's going on, man? What's good? Man, it's good to have you, bro, say man, so yeah man, you do a lot, you've done a lot. Really, to be honest with you, I mean, you know, you see my setup and I know you've been in the game, I mean, how we looking up in here? Man, it's official. Thank you, man. Just like I saw on the internet. Hey man, hey man. It's so crazy, because so many people seen our platform be like, never knew we were in Texas, thought it was somewhere else. Yeah, they be saying everything. I tell you what, I done got hit up by a lot of interviews, a lot of bloggers, and I'm talking about just on this market, I've not done one interview. Really? No sir. Well, I'm glad you let us interview you, so thank you very much, man, while like Jordan is in the building, man. Besides BZTV, I did interview with BZTV. He seemed like a cool dude, I be seeing him with Terry Blue. Young, young, real humble guy. How long ago did he do that? Man, he was in LA, and he contacted me and was like, walk like Jordan. I was like, what you want to talk about? He gave me the dialogue and I'm like, let's do it. Really? About three and a half months ago. Three and a half months ago. How far is managing and just understanding the business? How did you end up getting into that role? In 2011, 2010, 2012, I pretty much established myself on the Fort Worth market as the biggest promoter in Fort Worth. Started out with team parties. It crossed over to 21 and up. Then I transitioned over to Dallas with J-Rock, the promoter, when Trillian Prince Mick, Prince Rick, Mr. Hit That Hell was taking off. So being on the club scene, you know, you have artists come up to you all the time, like, hey, yo, I need this play. They ain't going through the DJs, they're not going to the DJs. They come in and walk like Jordan, because it's my dough, I'm paying everybody, it's my night scene. And when I saw the power I had to help artists that was independent, I'm like, let's do it. Man, you got to feel good to help people like that because, you know, a lot of times guys be trying to find a way and they can't, you know what I mean? Or they can't do everything. That's one of the big deals. I had two artists from my hood, my city by the name of Cadillac and Pee Weed. They had a song, Work the Middle, Fat Nappy, Leave It In, Walk Like Jordan was all from the same neighborhood. Okay. And I ended up managing them because I was in position. So that's where they come from. I left them out. I want them to name them. Man, but like I said, just the opportunity to be able to help others. That's what I look at in management. There's a lot of managers that haven't been on here. A lot of rainwater, low DZ, who else? It's been a few, man. Them two that, yeah, yeah, Supreme. It's been a bunch of them, man, like people who are DJ Jews, Sergeant B, a lot of them, man. And you have to have a special type of connection with people in order for them to respect you. And really you can help them too because a lot of times a lot of things have happened and transpired to where some have lost their lives. Some of the artists, you know, and so you got to have this special chemistry to be able to maneuver these guys, right? Am I right? Or am I just tripping? You got to have power with your artists. You got to have influence, a special influence. And that influence sometimes is bigger than they mama's. Yeah, yeah. And where does that come from? Because then, like, you have to carry yourself in a certain way. How do you get your artists to respect you to that level where they put their career in your hands, put their lives in your hand, you know, because they have to trust you 100%. Being able to relate to them, you have to be able to relate to your artist. I don't care if you got six. One of them going to be your main priority, the second one, the third, but you got to relate to all of them. People ask all the time, how did you get solo? We ain't, we've been doing business for 10 years, you know what I mean? And I handle and deal with solo a certain way because I understand him. And because he trusts me, you know what I'm saying? He relate to what I say. You see what I'm saying? It's just like being able to get him out here. I went through hell, but he was here. Yeah. Yeah. And that's... When we got here, what did I say? Light on that. You know what I mean? But that's what you have to do. You have to know your artists. You know, even when they say, I'm all right, I can't handle it. You can look at them in their eyes and know, no, you really can't. It's a bunch of arguments. That's why you know what? I'm going to take this moment and I'm going to say, I respect and I apply rainwater. Okay. You know, we aren't fans. We aren't the biggest fans of each other, but I respect him because when you sit back and you look at the situation with mode three, they had a long ass run. Yeah. Mode three created an influence on the Dallas footwear market. I don't think that will ever be seen again. Yeah. I can agree with that. From going acapella in his kitchen to rapping. You know what I mean? His sound like singing like gangster. Like he created something that I don't think we'll ever see again. That's no disrespect to nobody. That's just me being, that's my opinion. No, no, no, I get it. And I respect rainwater because I done dealt with Kenny B, Murda gang PB. Now solo luchi. Those artists have to respect you in order to listen to you in order to do what you tell them to do in order to be everywhere they need to be. We don't deal with artists that like these, these niggas move differently. Some managers will be scared in real life. No, I get it. So big kudos because I said some shit a while back on clubhouse. You know what I'm saying? And I just want to correct it because as I sit back and I look like I respect rainwater. Wow. That's B. A lot of times you have to, people don't know what another person goes through because you're not in their shoes. Right. And sometimes it's unimaginable to be in somebody else's shoes as much as we can say, well, I can imagine it. But can you really, you know what I mean? See day by day of what they go through. Because when I think about, yes, they have to respect you. But when you think about even your kids, your kids respect you. But sometimes you might be in a blowout argument as they get older as a teenager because these are grown people. Right. You know what I mean? Because, yes, you love them because you build a bond with the person. So you love them. You want them to be safe. You want them to be, you know, to succeed. But there's times when you see them messing up and they don't want to hear it because you're actually acting like a father figure. Right. And most people don't like to be fathered. You know what I mean? I get it. I agree with that 100%. When I look at just some of the things that you have to encounter, even in parenting, you have to step up. You know you failed in certain areas or you should have tightened up. Are those areas like that in management where you like, I did this this way this time, but I'm tightening up right here on this. You know what I mean? Scaling. I hate to say it, but management is meant like, I coached at Cal State. Okay. On the NCAA though. Okay. Play games on ESPN. Okay. When we deal with players, it's about mentoring. It's about creating a narrative with them that keeps them going in the correct directions. And a lot of the players that we deal with come from fucked up homes. Correct. Fucked up backgrounds. Single parent households. It's so relatable to the music industry. Because a lot of the artists come from fucked up situations. Yeah. So they don't understand. They don't get what the fuck you saying because they only see what they know. You know what I'm saying? 100. I'm dealing with Kenny B. If you know Kenny B, you know who his daddy is. Love Kenny B. Yeah. You know where he come from. If you deal him with solo luchi. Solo luchi was shot. That's right. And left for dead. Twice. That's not speaking against nobody, but he feel a certain way because of that. If you, if I've been dealing with murder game PB since he was a seventh grader. If I told you his background, his mama. It'll fuck you up. So all he know is that you don't trust nobody. Man dope man. How do you get through to them though? Stand down with them when they fucked up and they going through and they piss you off. You can't tell them they pissing you off. You got to stay down. When you know it's shit you shouldn't be doing. You got to do it because you understand them and you know what you're going to get. Because you know what you're going to get. You don't respond a certain way. You respond the way they work and they favor. Wow. But how, where do you learn that from? Is that something that you, you can learn? Because I think the coach is cool. Because I know because I went through. You went through it. Yeah. People don't know this about me. I played college ball. I played overseas. And sports, you learn discipline. That's right. You learn perseverance. You know what I'm saying? Patience. All the times don't last always. Patience, all that good shit. Man. Were you raised by a single parent? My mama was an OG. I can tell you a lot of shit about my mama and it fucked you up, but it was just me and her. And my four other, three other sisters. So you are the guy in the family. I'm the oldest. I'm the oldest of 12 siblings. I met my daddy at 17 years old. Man. For the first time in my life. See, he telling you a story. And his story is dope because he telling you I've been through this stuff. And so now that I go through all of this and not only to go through it, but he was successful if you were playing ball all across. Right. Graduated with my master's. Graduated. Now you think of this and you see him and you see him managing solo luchi. But there's a lot more to him than that. But why go into that business? If you graduated your master's, what was your major? My major was communications. Master's mass communication. So why did you end up in this career? Well, it's crazy because as a player I was into throwing parties. So we would play a game. I got 20 and 10 or 20 and 15 or 30 and 15. And this ain't just me talking. You can look this shit up. Just Google my first and last name. After that game, if I scored the right amount of points, my coaches let me come back home. Saturdays I was exo, club mystique, club chrome. I'm leaving. Love party. And the university picked up on this shit and they called me. You know what I'm saying? They said, hey, you got to take this shit down. That's why I had to put up a stop to self-made TV. Wow. Because the NCAA was trying to violate me. Then the university, he got to get this down. Yeah, because you can't do both. You can't do both. Yeah, but his heart was over there. So I follow my heart. I follow my heart and that's how I ended up in this business. Man, I'm glad you ended up in this business because you bring another level to this business. Right. And that's what's dope. You know what I mean? How you bring another whole level to the business. You bring an essence to it where it's educated and it's respect. You see what I'm saying? That's an educated, respected move that you make in when it comes down to I've been educated. I got my masters and I'm managing solo luchi and I went and did these things overseas. I played ball. I've been everywhere and now. And that's why I know that we got some special. That's why I was asking solo earlier. There's a lane open, man. There's some here in Dallas where a person could put the right type of label together and make millions. Everybody keeps saying that. We've heard that so many times. Everybody say that. Why do you think so? Well, because... Why do they say that? No, I'm asking him. He's just said it. I'm going to tell you why. Because right now the voice that you have is becoming the biggest. Wow. In 2022, we created a new word. I heard this from Rick Ross years ago. Yeah. The biggest. Yeah. We're the biggest with everything we do. Man. This show, this platform is becoming the biggest. Wow. Now you're going to get people from all across the world. So they want a cross market. They can come here and express who they are. Yeah. So with the power that you have, you can reach out and say, hey, youngster, come over here. I can introduce you to these people. Come over here. Let me get this paperwork done for you. Oh, I don't got to manage you. Let me get on a conference call with that label you're talking to. I understand the business. They're going to respect you and listen to you because of your platform. Wow. And that's dope. That's dope because I know you ain't lying because I've been talking to all these people. It's like I talked to everybody. I'm calling everybody. Oh, yeah, I do that. I can set that up with this. I already do that right now. Right. I'm not doing it on the level that I could be doing it on, but I definitely get what you're saying because I connect to everybody. You become a dot. It's true. I'm big on Sam. I'm the bridge from Fort Worth, not Dallas, from Fort Worth, Texas to California. So I connect the dots. And I get it. I get it. Man. So what's, what, what? Go ahead. I'll let you go. Once you get braced up like that. I know she want to ask something. She's like, I got to ask this. No, but how many artists do you have right now? Only? I have solo Luchi. I have Casey, who's an up and coming artist out of Fort Worth, Texas. I have Big A Welch out of Fort Worth, Texas. And I have Young Nut out of East Texas. Out of East Texas? Where in East Texas? How come she got somebody out of East Texas? Fort Worth, Fort Worth, Fort Worth, and then now East Texas? Big Nut out of East Texas. What part of East Texas? Young Nut. Young Nut. Well, it's, you know, one thing about me. I'm consistent with people's approach. And his approach for six months was, will you manage me? Oh. He came and found you. Like six, no, listen, I got 900 messages about management. You know what I'm saying? He was consistent for six months. Six months. Six months. Wow. That's dope. And he, at 19 years old, left college football like, bro, I need you. I need your help. Is he talented? He talented as fuck. He just, his background is fucked up. And I never knew it. Walk like Joy. I never knew shit about his background. God led me to him. Walk like Joy. And when we sat down and talked and he told me, I was like, damn, like his mama was fighting pneumonia yesterday in the hospital. We had to show him forward, which is why we flew down her. He was supposed to be there. He couldn't. He faced time and his mama is fighting pneumonia because of some shit she going through and she been dealing with. But it's the reason she dealing with that. You know what I'm saying? Man, walk like Joy is special. You know, special and it's needed. You know what I'm saying? Very much. Yeah, it's needed. No, I'm on the real bunch of me out there and they need to step out and claim they throw their deals. Oh, sorry. No, no, you go. So I see that you're here. You know, God put you in these people's life to be like a father figure to these people to show them understanding and so forth. But everybody needs a support system. Who is your support system? Who helps you? That man upstairs. Hey, you can't beat that. I'm a pram. I'm a blessing. I'm God friend. Let me say that first. I'm God friend. I'm God friend. I've been shocked and pronounced dead on the scene. Wayne, how long ago? July 15th. No, July. Was it July 12th? July 12th, 13th to 15th. One of them days. What year? I've been drinking. Yeah. What year? 2015. What happened? Can you talk about it? I just say I got popped. Okay. In front of a club. Okay. Okay. 44 shots with fire. How many did you get? I got hit once. Bullet went through me. Hit me in the back and went through my stomach. Wow. Okay. Yeah. You still here? Still here. Man, that's dope, man. So do you have family children, anything like that? I don't have biological kids, but I got two boys that I took in when they was in the seventh grade, put them through middle school and high school. Both of them now in college. Oh, that's awesome. That's very awesome, man. It's guys like you that I really love to interview you because people can see that black men stand up and do things in a consistent manner. They don't acknowledge us. They acknowledge the bad guys. That's right. They don't. I want to go back to, so when that happened to you, how did that change your life? Because a lot of times God put us through sometimes detrimental situations, especially when they see us going a certain way to be able to change our lives. Wait. You know, I'm going to be honest. I'm kind of like solo. I ain't gonna lie to y'all. I'm not capping or nothing. I was laying on that ground. I didn't even know I was hit. I had on an all white shirt. I had just finished playing in the FedEx. I just came back from playing overseas. The FedEx is a $5,000 tournament. So you playing with dudes that play during the summer, everybody that come home that's hooping. I got hit. And it was like, Jordan, you hit. And I looked to the sky immediately and I'm like, God, I know damn well. Now straight like that, I swear to God, I came up in the church from pre-K, my grandmother and my grandfather, 87 years old today, my grandfather passed during COVID. They raised me in the church before I moved in with them. My mama had me in the church. So I'm looking up to the sky. I'm like, God, I know damn well this ain't it. It's like, no, it's much more to be done. Those words were spoken to me. Man. And I accepted that. I got in the ambulance. They got me in the ambulance. They was like, we're losing them. I remember to this day, we're losing them. I pulled my phone out of my pocket. I don't know what the fuck they was talking about. Call my God son. One of the ones I told you, hey son, tell your mama at the hospital, I just got shot. Call my right-hand man, Cedric Valentine. Bro, I'm like, bitch you lying. Stop playing. He hung up the phone in my face. I call him back. Nigga, I just got shot. Meet me at JPS clip. Call my mama. Mama, I just got shot. She went that while I called her last. You know how mamas are. I already knew she wasn't going to be able to handle it. But the ambulance guy was like, do you realize you've been, a bullet went through you? I was like, yeah. Wow. And then I remember them closing my eyes. I went straight to OR. What is it? OR. But God had already told you that it wasn't over for you. But that's great faith. Stop. That's what you got to understand. What you're expressing is, I have faith in what God just said to me. And that's heavy, bro. Because most people doubt. And fear. Fear is one of the things that strike you when you go through something, bro. But for you to just stay calm like that and be able to say, you know what I believe in what God said to me? If you met my granddaddy, you would understand. That's dope, man. Boy, that's a blessing. What you just said is heavy, man. Because most people panic. And that's what kill them a lot of times. Yeah, that fear. Yeah. Yeah. So that's dope, man. So let's talk about the brand. You say that you are still like you was really blogging and doing the different things. And was there a podcast involved? It was just interviewing, blogging or what? How are we doing it? In 2014, there was nothing else I could do in Dallas forward. When you talk, man, you can call these people. But you was dealing with say cheese too? No. Okay. J-Rock the promoter, the biggest. Okay. I think to me, J-Rock the promoter is the biggest promoter to ever come through Dallas. Okay. Fort Worth. I had done parties with him and brought 300 people from Fort Worth to his club. Okay. So they was looking like shit. This walk like Jordan dude is crazy. I was in turn in 1997 on beat. I was doing all kind of shit. What year was that? That was 2011, 2012. As far as the party scene, I started self-made TV 2014. Yeah. I was just thinking about Ovid Media, Sean. He was over there. I think that was after you though. Who? Sean. Cotton? No, Ovid Media. He's a camera guy. He'd be with Vida Loka. Vida Loka hosted everything I did in Dallas forward. Okay. Everything. Her and J-Cruz together. J-Cruz. He's been on here. My right hand, when I got shot and came back, Vida Loka and J-Cruz, they put my shit together. I got both of them. I just talked to J-Cruz because he just got hired on at K-104. He told us that here, didn't he? He called me and said, walk like Jordan. I'm on K-104 and I said, fuck you. You know, I like 97 on the beat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now he told us. Because it's cheaper. But he definitely told us that night he was going to be on 104. There was nothing else I could do on this market. As far as 2,000 people in the club in one night, I did that. Real life. Allerton, Fort Worth, Dallas. There was nothing else I could do. So I said, you know what? I'm bringing all the celebrities. Why don't I interview them and create a TV show? I want to brand myself bigger than Dallas, Fort Worth. This is the route. I woke up a week later interviewing Paula Helen from Bad Girls Club. They was trying to put makeup on my face in the interview because I hired a real production team. They was like, oh, you got a spot right there. We need the code. And I was like, what the fuck? But I went with the flow. And then, you know, from that moment I was like, I can really do this shit. Dope. Then I interviewed Mimi Fowles, Jocelyn Hernandez, Trina. You know what I'm saying? Just different individuals. And I was like, this is my way out of Dallas, Fort Worth. I need to cross over because my brand and my mouth is big. Should be proud. Boom. I got shot. But you still look at you now though. How did you, you still came back and you say you came back with J. Groves and V. Locanium kind of helping the prop, right? They did a party for me when I bounced back. Like they did my first party after being shot. Man. Yeah. And you stayed focused and you still continue to grow that brand. All my people was like, fuck that party. Don't do that party. Bitch, you not really. But you should have jumped back into the podcasting though. Or the interview. You know, I took a teaching job at Polytechnic High School in Fort Worth, Texas. I taught for three years. And I coached basketball, track football the entire time I was doing it. And then I got a call from my college coach that I played for Cal State. Wow. And I took that job and that's what got me to California in 2018. You like California better than Texas? What? I ain't never moving back here. Why? What is it about them? Opportunity. That's it? It's opportunity on every corner. People want to help you. People want to teach you how to grow. People want to teach you how to be better. The only thing about moving to the West Coast is you need a little money because the cost of living. Yeah. But if you don't go out there and get caught up into Hollywood and try to live like them people that you not like, you'll be all right. I can't stand the traffic. The traffic is like Dallas at five o'clock. It's a little worse, but the second thing is you're sitting still. Yeah. So, man, so top three artists of all time. They're never alive. I gotta get that. Because I'm gonna do a whole second on that. Number one. Oh, shit. My era? It can be old school, new school, any era. Any era. Whatever. Your top three entertainers. It can be country music. It can be anything. Number one. I'm going with Michael Jackson. Number one. Number two. Y'all gonna hate me for this. I'm gonna bet it right. I love you for that, bruh. Stop playing, man. Where you at with it? That's what I say. Don't I listen to a lot? Do I listen to a lot? That's what I listen to. That's me there. And the only reason I'm going to bet it right is because her shit hit different. My mama was playing that shit. Like, when I come from Cumber Elementary, walk down the street, when you turn the corner, my mama was blasting that shit. And she had velvety shells, fried chicken, green beans, and some biscuits in the oven. And you walk in the house and you'll be like, I'm so goddamn tired of her in this new bed. Bet it right. But then when you heard the lyrics and my mama was swaying into that shit, I was like, bet it right. All right. I'm nervous. I'm nervous. I'm like, tonight is the night. That's it. That's it. Number three. Number three. I said Michael Jackson, bet it right. Bet it right. Number three. Can you give me a help me? Give me give me six artists to choose from. This is your time. You know every artist. I do. But this. Come on now. Number three. Been a man. Bob Marley. Stops. I know. I'm not sure. Keep going. No, them good names. Keep going. I need help. Y'all want a third artist? R. Kelly. Nope. R. Kelly is one of the greatest of all time, but it ain't number three. I know. I'm just playing with all of those. I'd say something real, you know. Come on. No. Aretha Franklin, Luther Vendross. I was going to say Luther. You would have said I was a brother. I was a brother. I was a brother. Them boys go hard. That's hard. A lot of people say Tupac with all of that. Tupac. Tupac. I gotta give it to him. I'm glad you said that too. I'm going to ask you something tonight. First off, fuck your bitch. And then clicky claim. We're sobbing. We ride it. We quit with gay. You claim to be a player, but I fucked your wife. Yeah. I got to ask you a question, man. I don't know how that even took me so long. That's why I was asking for help. Check it, man. I need to know about PMC, man, and what he meant to the music when you listened to that. Mogul. It'll never be recreated again. What stuck out about PMC for you? The lyrics. The honesty. The generic. We will never see PMC again. That shit will stick with me 30 years from now. Your kids won't even know who PMC was. When they come into the world, they gon' hear about PMC. It's kind of like Michael Jackson. Y'all was talking about Michael Jackson and Chris Brown. You know why there's no comparison? Because generation after generation after generation will ever hear about Candyland and Michael Jackson. It's not even fucking close. Anybody comparing Chris Brown to Michael Jackson is fucking delusional. Whoa. That's my opinion. Now, do I think Chris Brown is a growth? Go? Yes. And I know why Solar was saying that. Because he's no Chris. No, because he experienced him. No. Fuck the relationship. He experienced Chris Brown in real life. So I respect that. But Michael Jackson, when you go look at the numbers. No way. I seen a bitch nut watching him. Go look on YouTube. It'll never be seen again. Wow. Definitely loved it, man. So is there anything we missed? We got to say that. Anything you want to get off your chest. Any new ventures coming up? Because I know that, you know, we know what you do. Everybody watching me right now. Yes, I am the biggest MC in the LA nightlife. Hey. I officially crossed over. Hey. My advice to anybody out there is don't be afraid to experience and explore new opportunities. Get outside of your market. Dallas Fort Worth is one thing, but the world is another. That's dope. I went to LA. I'm now the biggest MC. I host right now the hottest strip club at all of fucking LA. What's it called? Slash Hollywood. Cheetahs. Hey. How long did it take you to get to where you- Started out six months. Okay. Wow. That's dope, man. Favor. It's favorable. It's favorable. So, man, thank you, man, for coming on the show, man. Yeah. Yeah, knowing the right people. I ain't know nobody. I just got on the mic. Boy, you know what? Y'all right. That's a lot. DJ saw me and was like, hey, bro, ain't you definition walk like Jordan? I was like, yeah. He was like, you got grace to mic for three seconds. I got on that bitch. Boom. I got the house job. When you say definition, that's all in definition. DJs, right? Definition DJ Dallas drop. The inventor from Dallas. Definition DJ. Jack Frost. Jack Frost. Cause I hear about all of that. He be on the show. Legendary. Mm-hmm. Definition DJ. E-Rock. Mm-hmm. Uh, it's so many. It is. I've been drinking. How do people get into being a definition DJ? Don't be scared. Tell him you want to DJ. And be consistent. I told my one thing. See, they came to my club and they initiated me. I had that motherfucker rocking. Oh, really, man? Hey, man. We definitely love you, brother. And anytime you're in the city, make sure you stop through and holler at us. Got you. Say, man, it's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101.