 I'd like to call to order the Tuesday, September 20, 2016, Sheboyin County Board of Supervisors meeting. Certification of compliance with the open meeting law as posted September 16th at 2 p.m. Thank you. Please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Thank you. Roll call. Who's that? Push in here. That's what you're thinking. No. Push your 10 buttons. Okay. Jim, push your 10 buttons. We're off to a good start here. Don't touch it. You're good. He's going to touch it again. All right. 23 supervisors present. Thank you. Approval of the August 16, 2016 journal. Supervisor Winkle. Move to approve as published. Thank you, Supervisor Winkle. Supervisor Epping. I'd like to support that motion. Supervisor Epping. Any questions or discussion? Okay, all those in favor, please vote aye. The motion is approved unanimously. Thank you. Consideration of appointments by Chairperson. To the Airport Advisory Committee, Richard Bemis and Jack Van Dixhorn. Supervisor Winkle. Motion to approve. Thank you, Supervisor Winkle. Supervisor Tastrui. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll support the motion. Thank you, Supervisor Tastrui. Any discussion? Supervisor Glavin. I don't believe Supervisor Van Dixhorn was a member previously. So this is an appointment, not a reappointment. Thank you. I assume that is correct, Jack. You're not a reappointment. Okay, so I asked. Okay, we'll correct that. Here. Any other discussion? Okay, let's all vote either aye or nay. That motion is approved unanimously. Thank you. Consideration of appointment by County Administrator. Again to the Airport Advisory Committee, Stephen Bauer. I believe, Steve, this is a reappointment. Is that correct? Supervisor Urena. I support that motion. Senator? Supervisor Glavin. I'll second that, and Steve was a member previously. Way to keep us on our toes. Thank you, Supervisor Glavin. Indeed. Any other discussion? Okay, all those in favor, vote aye. Those opposed, nay. That motion is approved unanimously. Thank you. Presentations? Rhino Rourke, our court commissioner. It's going to give us an overview. Of what our office actually does. Here for the county. We're really a dual role office here in Sheboyton County. At the court commissioner's office. We have the normal statutory duties of a court commissioner. But we are also. What's called a family court services office. We carry both functions here. Our numbers established by you. In other words, the number of court commissioners in the county here. As myself in the system. The authority that we have. We have the court commissioner. We have the court commissioner. The authority that we have. Is set by Wisconsin statute. Although that authority. Can be specifically limited by the judges. As to what types of hearings we can do. In Sheboyton County here. The commissioners office says all the powers. Allow by the Wisconsin statutes. This is really the meat. Of what we do is the various hearing types. That we have. Down in v 10 in the basement of the courthouse. It starts with a lot of. Responsibility. Family court proceedings. We do final hearings and divorces. When everything is agreed upon. Stipulated to by the parties. If there's any issue of disagreement. It goes before the circuit court judges. We also spend a lot of time on temporary orders. In divorce cases and legal separations. All the cases still pending. Other people need orders. For child support placement. Visitation. Gets wet car. Gets the house. Things of that nature. We issue those temporary orders. What the case is pending before the divorce is final. We also issue temporary restraining orders. And hold the final hearings. For domestic abuse injunctions. And harassment injunctions. Where someone is seeking. The protection of a court order. Against another party. In situations of either domestic abuse. Or harassment obviously. We do probable cause hearings. For chapter 15. 51. 54. 55 cases. Those are hearings at the hospital. At the Sheboygan Memorial every morning. And what those really are. Mental health. Commitments. Seeking treatment for those who are mentally ill. Treatable and dangerous to themselves or others. When they otherwise would not be willing to see treatment voluntarily. And alcohol commitments. For. People who may not be willing to see treatment voluntarily. But. People who need protection due to. Serious issues. With the consumption of alcohol. Chapter 54. 55 is. Talking about temporary guardianships. And arranges to protect the placements. For people who need help. With having a decision maker. Or an arrangement that keeps them safe. Often we're talking about. People with dementia or Alzheimer's. Or related. Arranges. Every day at 11 o'clock. We do initial appearances in bail hearings. In criminal cases. For people who are holding custody. We also do every Wednesday initial appearances. For a simple traffic. And forfeiture citations. We do plea hearings every Tuesday. On juvenile delinquency. And child and need of protection and services cases. Brought by the county. We do paternity hearings. For children who are not. Well paternity hearings occur. When the child is not the product of a marriage. Or the father do not voluntarily acknowledge paternity. At the birth of the child. Those hearings are much like temporary orders. Where establishing. Who has decision making authority for the child. Where the child is placed. How dissertation works. Child support if necessary. And small details. Such as who gets the claim the tax exemption. Things like that. We do supplemental hearings. Which are. Deterter creditor hearings. Person who holds money is brought before the court. To answer financial questions. By the. Person with the claim. To determine whether they should pay. A little more lighthearted. Every Friday. At three o'clock. And those vary. In their. Degree of. Pop and circumstance. In the court room sometimes it's just a couple of people. Who want to formalize a wedding. From out of the country. Get all shapes and forms there. And then my assistant Susan. Does every small claims case. And she will include. Mediation with respect to those. All the way through trial. Every order we issue. Either Susan or I. Subject to a de novo review. De novo is latin for the new. And that's essentially a new hearing. The request of any party before the judge. It's a. Decent judge of how we're doing downstairs. We don't get a ton of feedback. Except when the judges get a lot of de novo hearings. And when we hear about it. That's about the only. Source of. Grading we get. Kind of isolated downstairs. The family court services that I was talking about earlier. Twofold. First we're talking about. The court services and second. A parent education component to it. The. Program. That's acceptable to both of them. On issues of child custody and placement. This is useful for several reasons. It teaches parents to work together. Find common ground. Which can be beneficial. For any number of reasons. In. Trying to parent together. And avoid the litigation and tying up the court. We. What we actually do is we don't. Do the mediation ourselves. In contract with private mediators. Refer the cases when we receive an order from the court. Or the cluster mediation. And then we track and report the results of the mediation. To the court. I always tell people in family cases. To. Take every advantage of mediation they can. It's really the last step of the proceedings. Whether they're going to have any control of the issue. Otherwise the decision is going to be made. For them. Either by me or a circuit court judge. So this is certainly preferable. If they can reach agreement. The second. Family court services. Parent education. This is mainly through the remember the children class. Again. We don't actually teach the class we contract out for. With some educational providers. It's really a couple of local counselors. In the area. We coordinate this guy's only. Tracking of attendance in the class. And provide input. With respect to the curriculum that's taught. What it really is. Is for parents going through the divorce about minor children. To teach them. How to effectively co-parent. And mitigate the effects of divorce upon the children. Hopefully. It can be as healthy a process as possible. Finally. My favorite responsibility is being on call 24 seven. Review and authorize. For the district attorney's. Enforcement. It's exactly what it sounds like. You know. If they need blood drawn at three in the morning. And go away. So someone's got to be on call. And that happens to be me. It's actually one of the more interesting parts of my job. Because he gets in pretty good stories. And that sums up. Our responsibility. As I can. And still cover everything. No questions. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. I've been the court commissioner for. Probably just over a year now. I started schooling. I grew up in Jamesville. I went to. My undergrad. And then went to. Wisconsin. For law school. Because I didn't want to actually have a real job. The assistant district attorney for several years. A few of them in Chicago again here for Joe. And I went to Manitowoc. And worked in the corporation council's office. Mainly as a child protection attorney. For about eight years. That was probably. Not probably that was the most important job I've ever had. But it was also. Challenging difficult times. Then I came back here. And was lucky enough to. Find it for Rebecca's departure. And land in the job I always wanted. So. That pretty much sums it up. I have a wife. Two little daughters. Thank you Ryan. Public addresses. We have Ellen Noel. Is going to give an update on the veterans memorial. I'd like to thank this board. For approving the budget. Again for. Grave flags. It means a lot to the families. To see their members. Recognize that they were. Veterans in our armed forces. Every once in a while I get a call. That somebody is missing a flag. And we don't know why this. Here's what it does. But it does mean a lot to the families. So again thank you for. Setting that budget. And let the service office here in Schwoing County. Get that flag. Kind of warned you once before. That budget's got to grow a little bit. Because every year. That's what it does. All right. Next thing is on your desk. You should see a little flyer there. Sheboygan County veterans memorial is celebrating. Dedication of names. Of veterans that have asked to have their names placed on the monument this year. We have 57 veterans here in Sheboygan County that are requesting their names. You are all invited to come out. That day to that. Service. It would be great to meet the veterans that are going to be in attendance and their families. They would appreciate it. Also on that flyer notice. We are dedicating the first gold star family plaque. Now. I'll explain that to you. If you see a blue star banner hanging on someone's house. That means they have a member of the family serving in the armed forces. If you see a gold star there. That means a family member has been come a casualty during a conflict someplace. So the gold star signifies we are honoring those that have fallen. Our committee has gotten together and we have mailed out 270 invitations to families throughout the state of Wisconsin that have lost a family member since 9-11 to 2001. So we are expecting a good group of people there. Another side story isn't that sad. Almost 30% of those 270 are suicide victims after they come back. These soldiers are coming back under duress. It's just a way to services over there. So again I'm just trying to give you board members heads up. Our mental health system here in the county is put under strains and that's probably some of it. We understand that these veterans come back under duress. I also like to make you aware and your cooperation is when we have youth government day here I understand the business and we have your department heads like John and one from the Treasury Department and the Sheriff Department Board they dedicate that whole day to educate the youth of this fine city and county of what county government is and I'll say this and Adam I think can proclaim to it probably about 90% go home with a whole different perspective of what really happens here in Sheboyin County what happens here in this room we actually portray what the county board meeting kind of happens if we do a little role playing. So last thing is in 2 years our veterans memorial will be celebrating 25 years of existence yes we are going to have a celebration how big we don't know but we're planning now already so just to keep your ears up we will have something there I can guarantee you right now that American Huey helicopter will be back for those of you that did not get the opportunity to take a ride on it that opportunity will be coming back it's quite an experience that's pretty much ends my report is there any questions thank you for your time thank you Alan and thank you for your service letters, communications and announcements first off I have a letter that all of you have a copy of on your desk from Ron Erdal regarding road construction concerns we'll receive that for information next I have a request from Wisconsin healthy workplace advocates regarding freedom from workplace bullies weak we'll refer to that to the health and human services committee and finally I have a resolution from the Richland County Board of Supervisors opposing the UW extension reorganization plan we've had that numerous times we'll receive that for information thank you that's all thank you Mr. Chairman thank you Mr. Chairman good evening I'd like to start by recognizing Mr. Alan Knowle each year he comes here provides a brief update and his service not only in the armed forces but in the community with the legionnaires when we have the students here the good work running the memorial committee Alan you just continue to lead and we appreciate it thank you so pleased that Ryan O'Rourke to join us tonight one of our 19 department heads as you know the chair and I for a number of years going back to boy when did we start TVA programs who's Dan Lemieux I think going back now 18 years to Mr. Dan Lemieux we've been having a monthly TVA program and every month we generally focus on a different department and the department heads there and what happens I just I take pride in the work that these department heads do many of you I'm sure probably don't know Ryan very well in the family court commissioner's office but he's doing some very important challenging work and last now this month a little earlier this month Chairman Wagner and I interviewed Mr. Joe DiCecco who as you know will be retiring the end of this year and Joe I thought provided an excellent overview of the very challenging work that the district attorney's office does that his staff do there's just so many good things going on in this organization and that's the first thing I want to touch on with the budget development process it's always brown talk day the budget development process ends the first week in November and pretty much gets rolling again in February when we start looking at our budget assumptions the executive committee is very closely involved folks like finance committee chair Greg Wegman has a strong leadership role they're involved with the final heavy lifting now meeting with the department heads but I think supervisor Wegman would agree that our department heads have come in well prepared we're on point to achieve the goal that the county board has established of providing a modest property tax reduction we have a very high in summary at your table and Wendy who I've not acknowledged in the past as our finance director she's not new anymore she's got a year under her belt now but she has just done a terrific job helping coordinate the process we are still on point to provide a modest property tax levier reduction of just over 1% and a tax rate reduction of just over 2% and again you have the summary in front of you when we develop this budget with the very minimal resources that we have our predominant focus is on maintaining essential programs and services obviously we want to maintain our law enforcement our good people at the health and human services department good work that's happening at our five star facility at Rocky Knoll all 19 departments are providing vital community assistance and support we're looking to maintain really growing in fact over the years as you know we've gotten smaller and we've established priorities and our personnel costs are less today than they were over a decade ago I mean we've really streamlined but we're trying to maintain essential programs and services this budget does that but it also as every budget does has some new initiatives you just heard Mr. Knoll talk about the needs of our veterans and nationally you're hearing more about that our veteran service office does some tremendous work along with the legionnaires and the organizations involved in supporting our veterans county wide but about three four years ago this board supported the establishment of a veterans court that's been running has peers involved helping people get back on their feet and getting the support they need and I'm very pleased that this year and moving into next Tom Eggebrecht and a number of folks here have been working on a drug court and that's one of the resolutions you'll be acting on tonight we're going to be in fact we've essentially created it though it's it's still getting ramped up but this drug treatment court is a tremendous example of responding to the need heroin abuse, opiate abuse our detention center seeing more and more people in it that need help and aren't getting it there some counties have already done this with tremendous success I know Chairman Wagner is very proud and supportive of the efforts that Tom Eggebrecht and Joe DiGiacco and our judges and our law enforcement officials our private counselors I mean it's been a tremendous collaboration so I see Tom with us this evening I want to thank Joe DiGiacco for the opportunity to acknowledge his leadership I know Joe DiGiacco wanted to be here tonight because he was part of crafting this resolution working with the law committee I want to thank Chairman Koch and the members of the law committee for their support of this initiative this is an important initiative and it's not new money it's reprioritizing dollars resources that we already have again a credit to all the people involved budget only has two outstanding initiatives that are outside of the existing resources one for the clerk of courts and one for the district attorney and finance committee had a significant presentation by Joe DiGiacco and his team last week about how we improve getting children in the hands of new parents or guardians to make sure that they have a stable home it's really kind of gut wrenching when you get into it and you see that some of these children have been through the process or still don't have a true place to call home or someone as a parent or guardian for two three years and to the credit of the district attorney's office the finance committee those involved are looking to improve that area as well another new initiative and the final one I'll just share as an example and Aaron Braultz here this evening I've got the work that we did here on Penn Avenue and acquiring those three homes that if you've looked these homes are not the best use for our community and we can very much enhance the economic development opportunity here and Aaron and Carl busy and others have delivered so the budget process is going well our departments are working effectively together you were poised to achieve the goal that you've touched not only at the county board leadership forum but as part of the transportation proposal to deliver some property tax relief as well as and I see Greg Shnell here this evening as well as put some resources into our transportation system rather than kick the can down the road and consolidate three facilities into one so I'll turn to that as the third area that I wanted to briefly touch on also five year capital plan this is heavy lifting there are a number of new initiatives in this five year capital plan as there always are and some are very practical we've got to take care of our roofs we've got to take care of our roads we need certain equipment very practical others are new initiatives that are going to provide enhancements efficiencies and frankly our investment in our community we'll look at this five year capital plan that has now been unanimously approved by the finance committee the executive committee a lot of work has gone into this already the transportation complex is obviously the major cost and initiative and again to refresh everyone's memory the transportation proposal was about maintaining our roads and infrastructure our roads and bridges being fiscally conservative and taking responsibility for our transportation network the transportation complex is consolidating three facilities into one two of the three facilities are very dated has been carefully vetted we've been challenged and we did include that in the transportation proposal we're not going to bond any more than 15 million for that and we've stuck to that fact some folks have asked three $24 million facility how is it that we're going to be able to get by with bonding 15 million which is the plan rather than the full amount and the answer is because as you just learned from our audit we have a healthy fund balance we have a healthy organization we're going to be able to utilize some fund balance going forward and we're going to be selling we've already sold the Elkhart lake shed we're going to be selling the old highway headquarters of downtown Sheboygan here when you garner the sale proceeds fund balance proceeds were poised to cover the difference so we're good shape and again I want to acknowledge Greg Schnell the transportation committee the finance committee and the executive committee for their work on this this is a major initiative and a tremendous investment in our community that should serve us for the next 75 or more years finally costs did you know that in 2005 oil oil is a ton a ton of oil Greg per ton, thank you a ton of oil in 2005 cost $211 and 12 cents 211 $211 and 12 cents 2005 2005 doesn't seem that long ago does it but it's been 10 years now in 2015 that same ton of oil and oil as we all I think know is a main ingredient to building and maintaining our road infrastructure that same ton of oil is $534 it's gone up well over 100% we've gone from 211 to 534 that's in 10 years 2016 we are seeing a little bit of relief with that as costs have gone down how many of you think the costs are going to stay where they're at today so we know we had a real challenge the state obviously continues to grapple with this challenge but that's just one example cost to do a mile of overlay which involves more than just oil we know that in 2005 we could do it for under $60,000 today it costs us a little over $120,000 we have state imposed caps in place trying to maintain essential programs and services how do you deal with those kinds of increases locally we had the strength the leadership to step up and do something about it I'm proud of that on a statewide level we're still grappling with it Highway 23 who in this community do you know doesn't think Highway 23 is dangerous or doesn't believe that we need to do something to improve that for the economic well-being and safety of our community if I've heard one consistent message about Highway 23 at least from our community something's got to happen here in 1999 when the project was enumerated the cost of the project was estimated to be $42,000,000 what do you think it costs today $146,000,000 $42,000,000 to $146,000,000 is that fiscally conservative is that leadership got to get this done September 29th Chairman Wagner is hosting and Supervisor Bill Gehring is hosting and we have some other local government officials joining us a just fix it forum to talk about what's happened with costs to talk about needs and again as Greg and I are working together on some of the materials and obviously Bill Gehring and Tom are beefing up for this but I'm developing something to address our local transportation needs at least improve the problem it doesn't solve it but it certainly improves it but we've got to raise awareness to these state projects I think Tom just said to me before the meeting you may use the county road from Sargento to get to the interstate to Highway 23 but then what and all the other businesses that relied on our highways and interstate systems something has to give here the governor last week the governor's proposed budget and as you may be aware I'm sure the vast majority of you are it's essentially holding the line on the overall cost and we all would love to hold the line on the overall cost I know that sounds good but Highway 23 as part of the proposal is to delay it another three years so we've gone from 42 million to 146 million what's going to cost three years from now so with that I hope you will join us on September 29th and obviously we have a statewide challenge that collectively we need to weigh in and help raise awareness to our constituents and others continue to talk about this and in time as always I hope cooler has prevailed and we solve or address the problem thank you Mr. Chairman Supervisor Urena thank you Chairman Wigner I just have a very brief question on that on the handout is the 2016 information is that budget or actual I didn't see this on the agenda so I wasn't prepared but on the handout that we have for the tax proposed 2017 tax there's a 2016 column it's not labeled is that actual or budget referring to the one page high-end summary as you can see at the top of the Sheboygan County budget development we're in the process proposed 2017 levy targets sure and then at the bottom it shows the 2016 column and the 2017 column and the difference so my question is the 2017 column budget or actual is it budget numbers the 2016 budget and do we know what the percentage change between our actual 16 to 17 is do I have that at the top of my memory I didn't know this was going to be a part of the presentation feel free to follow up and we can give that for you thank you I'd appreciate that consideration of committee reports regarding 2017 five-year capital plan committee recommendation per the committee report and adopt as amended we need a motion thank you Supervisor Weigman thank you Mr. Chairman I will move that we adopt resolution number 15 thank you thank you Mr. Chairman I will second that motion thank you Supervisor Gehring Supervisor Koch did you just want to help me out there with a motion thank you any questions or discussion Supervisor Urena I do have some questions since we're approving this capital plan unless we can move it out into our next meeting and that is part of resolution that we're going to be seeing at our next meeting shows a number of pieces that are new one is we're getting a 20,000 reimbursement from the state and I didn't know what that's all about and then because that wasn't mentioned in the previous information and then there's $1.8 million of our cost is for consulting fees for the transportation complex so I have those two questions and a third question probably a bigger overwhelming question is we currently have I don't know how much space we currently have and I'm ultimately just I'm having a hard time explaining to taxpayers what why we need such a much more expensive facility basically about 10 times what we have now from a cost standpoint for the new complex many of you are aware that the Shaboygan school district the town of Shaboygan also has tax increases on the budget on the ballot in November $29 million for the Shaboygan area school district a $29 building and there's quite a bit of work that went into that and providing information so I really like some information to help me understand to taxpayers the gap between where we are now with the buildings we have I don't know how many square feet we have and we're going to 125,000 we in our buildings currently are under they're currently valued at about I believe 3,000 and then we're going up to needing buildings in the amount of $24.9 million so we're the cost of our buildings is drastically increasing for the complex so those are the three questions that I'm hoping I can get some substance for to explain to people why we're putting this the complex with that level of costs yes Adam go ahead good questions at the county board leadership forum that was the first time we presented all the information to the county board and I don't believe you were able to attend that but that was the first time in June subsequent to that we've had discussions at the transportation committee the executive committee and finance committee so clearly this has been a transparent process I know that Greg is compared and contrasted our current square footage with the new building the new building will be larger though when we've compared in contrast to that the transportation complex actually the square footage increases less than what we've seen in some surrounding buildings so I think the transportation committee in particular but certainly I want to give credit where credit is due there has been some real focus on how large this is going to be and why how to compare to other new facilities that have been built and why and I think that we've taken a frugal thoughtful approach I don't have the numbers committed to memory so Greg if the chair is so inclined could get into those specifics but bottom line is we're taking the highway facility in the city Sheboygan that is a very aged building the Plymouth facility and the Elkhart facility selling those three facilities for a higher and better use that should contribute to economic development for our community and consolidating all those functions into one new facility that should be an investment for the next 75 years or more is there a significant cost yes there is but from a standpoint of long term investment efficiencies and continuing to maintain our transportation system and how important it is to economic development I certainly don't have any problem looking at taxpayer in the eye and saying this is a good investment now we've done is not only we had a number of discussions on this but the horse is out of the barn we've purchased the property at the approval of the county board and we've already done the architectural work with the approval of the county board we've selected who's going to do the work with the approval of the county board and we're going to be breaking ground this fall I don't know specifically when again Greg would know that better than I at the approval of the county board so I think wheels are in motion Mr. Chairman thank you Adam Greg did you have anything you want Dan the $560,000 is reimbursed from the state for the sultan that is included in our overall cost so they'll be reimbursed again for one of those sultans the $1.8 million is for consulting teams for the design facility as well as earth moving that's going to be having it okay supervisor Hoffman did you comment or response you want to make no this is on the airport so if you know if you're done can I wait on you then is that fair I'll wait if you're done with the rest I'll wait is that fair what's that is that fair if you want to hold I'll wait that's okay supervisor Bemis of the three facilities that we're replacing this facility is a public facility and that's actually too small for the larger trucks that we're now using thank you supervisor Bemis and supervisor Van Dixorn I think one thing you do forget is the efficiency of it I mean this is going to be a big step forward for our highway commissioner that these more efficient and the people will be around the highway commissioner more and I think is I think we have three formants for the three ships and we'll have one now so it's the efficiency is a big thing supervisor Rainer you want to follow up oh yes thank you chairman Wettner so I have to be honest with you I haven't heard any really good solid information in a business situation we use a white paper to justify you know where we're going from 1 million in this case we're going from 2.1 million in assets to a building that's going to cost us 2.24 .88 24.9 million dollars so we're going 10 times the size and I can look people in the eye and say it's a good thing I can say the horse is out of the barn I can say there's efficiencies however 10 times the size and I know we need to grow so I could justify part of that and obviously when you build something new it's going to cost more than your old building but again we're going with a 10 times the cost of what we have now and other than we're going to have efficiencies that's great is that going to be a million a year that we are going to have a reduction in operating expenses are we also just going to be growing the highway department and adding more staff and there's so many questions that I really don't understand how to explain where we're at now to where we're going to be because I don't have that any documentation I've been to some meetings where they have had presentations there was a presentation at the finance committee with the architectural presentation but we're putting 8 according to the capital plan $8.08 million of other funds into this complex and that's taxpayers money so I'm really wondering if there is a document or a white paper or something that lays out those efficiencies that lays out why we are spending 10 times more than what we have now for a building thank you thank you chairman wigner as a supervisor says this is not like it is in the businesses that she deals with basically but like businesses that supervisor deals with you need advancement, you need update you need new technology this is all happening whether it be a new building whether it has to do with the equipment that the highway department is going to be getting everything is new my son went to a UTI out in Phoenix to learn new technology model mechanics and technician work everything is updating itself year by year by year and unless we catch up we are going to fall behind and it is going to cost us money I think the investment that we make will be an investment in the future and something that we have to do otherwise we are going to fall behind just like we have fallen behind on other projects in the past and we learned our lesson by saying don't fall behind keep up, keep ahead so this is why we are doing this if the question is why we are doing it that is why thank you Greg did you have anything else you want to add and help back in 2008-2009 at that point they suggest that we go down to four facilities or a treatment center sorry this is our compromise of the county with the consolidation reducing our footprint at the finance meeting those thank you Greg I didn't forget you supervisor Hoffman follow-up to Mr. Bemis Mr. Bemis is probably supervisor Bemis I am sorry go ahead I think one of the things that is involved here too is the price of the buildings now compared to what it used to be I go back when you could buy a brand new car for 500 bucks that same car today cost 30 thank you supervisor Bemis supervisor Otten on this topic do you want to talk yes thank you Mr. Chairman do we have any idea what these three vacated properties are going to bring Adam we sold one supervisor Otten part lake shed was 480 and we sold it for 500,000 or 510 the Plymouth shed is appraised at 570 and the main highway headquarters is 1.1 1.1 million those are the appraised values appraised values thank you anybody else on that topic supervisor Hoffman thank you very much I haven't been around quite as long as supervisor Bemis but I've been around a while especially out at the airport I've been flying out there I've been hanging around pardon me I've got a plate in now I've got a tooth that I could pull it out but anyway it's a dental problem so I have a little trouble speaking no I haven't been drinking so anyway I haven't been around as long as Bemis but I have been around at the airport it's going on 40 years I've owned a hangar out there since 91 okay I have a couple of comments now first of all those of us on the general aviation side we own our hangars and we have a lot invested in our aircraft our equipment inside the hangars and so on and so forth I see now where according to this it says that we are not going to have our right here let's see if I can find it here in the capital program here our area and ramps improved until 2020 well I flew today it was a beautiful day and I'm going to tell you I and I'm not a person to blame anywhere and I'm not after anybody's scalp but I'm going to tell you taxing out from my hangar worse than driving on any raid in Shebergan county very terrible and I'll invite you to come out and I'll take you flying I'll put you in my plane and we'll taxi out why in the heck hasn't this been addressed sooner why are we waiting until 2020 where the poor orphans over there almost 40 of us over there now this should be moved up sooner I'm serious I mean there's loose gravel on our taxi going from our hangar out to the runway and it's chewing up my prop now if you want to know what my prop costs it's well over $7,000 just for a prop and it picks up when you start spinning it just grinds it down that should be moved up and I would like the transportation committee or whoever to look at that secondly our airport I hate to say this and I go all over the country I was down in Florida at Lakeland for a fly-in I've been at ELA and I talk with a lot of pilots I go to flight instructor meetings our airport is not growing I hate to tell you that it is not growing there are some in Wisconsin that are there are many that are maintaining where they're at $1,000,000 slated for terminal building that's wishful thinking I would respectfully suggest that you take it out of the budget take it out until such time as our airport starts to go and I don't see it growing in the very near future whether it's the economy management or whatever it is I don't see it and I go I must get in about three different airports a year at least in the state so that should come out of the budget that $1,000,000 now once again I'm not after anybody's skill I don't want anybody's job but I'm just telling you what I see as a private pilot out there and I'm very distressed as a member of this county board that we're not addressing some things that should be done out at the airport and I'm not pointing fingers but we better hop on the stick if you want to see this airport grow what you've heard about this airport with pilots around the state grow we've got to do something thank you very much thank you Supervisor Hoffman Supervisor Bemas the transportation committee will be taking a look at that area probably next month right over the hand please thank you Supervisor Bemas Supervisor Van Dixorn I'll second that we'll take a look at that and there's a plan out there and I think there's more things happening at that airport than you realize Brian things are happening thank you Supervisor Van Dixorn Supervisor Urena to make a motion that we postpone the approval of the capital plan until our next meeting in October could you repeat that motion the motion is that we postpone approving the capital plan until our October meeting is there a second to that motion Supervisor Baumgart I'll second that thank you Supervisor Baumgart okay you want to say that Carl's going to make a comment here under my our code requires that we take action in the month of September so therefore to postpone would require a two-thirds vote because you're seeking to suspend the rules to do this thank you Carl is this debatable discussion okay, Supervisor Epping then thank you Chairman Wagner I guess my question is for what reason are we going to postpone it and what do we hope to accomplish by that and I guess I'd have to direct that to Supervisor Urena who made the motion, thank you thank you Supervisor Epping you want to respond Supervisor Urena okay, Supervisor Hoffman yeah I agree we shouldn't postpone it but I would tell you I know that once it's adopted we can still move things around so that's why I'm going to vote for this and again I don't want anybody's scalp I have some serious concerns and I'm out there every day just about and I've seen it for over 30 years so don't ignore what I'm saying, thank you thank you Supervisor Hoffman okay alright, Supervisor Urena I think the point is moved to postpone it if we can't according to our ordinances so or we can with the two-thirds vote okay, got it are you withdrawing the motion or are you keeping it out there I do withdraw the motion is that okay with second? the motion's withdrawn if there's no opposition okay Carl no opposition okay any other discussion? okay hearing none then we're voting on resolution you need a minute you gotta undo the motion okay no we'll just wait a minute that was withdrawn now we're simply going to vote to approve or not approve resolution number 15 okay everybody clear on what we're voting on resolution number 15 to adopt it those we get, reset? okay all those in favor of adopting vote yes, those opposed, no resolution number 23, aye, 3, nay thank you resolution number 16 regarding supporting drug treatment court for Sherbrooke County, committee recommendation to adopt supervisor Gehring thank you Mr. Chairman, I move for adoption thank you supervisor Gehring supervisor Urena I second that motion thank you supervisor Urena any discussion? if not no discussion all those in favor, vote aye, those opposed, nay that motion is a preview of the unanimous thing thank you ordinance number 5 regarding updating portion of peace and good order ordinance committee recommendation to enact supervisor Gehring thank you Mr. Chairman, I move for adoption to ordinance number 5 thank you supervisor Urena I second that motion thank you supervisor Urena any discussion? hearing seeing no lights in favor, vote aye, those opposed, nay that motion is a preview of the unanimous thing thank you ordinance number 6 regarding repealing and recreating chapter 72, shoreland ordinance committee recommendation to amend for the committee report and enact as amended supervisor damp thank you supervisor damp supervisor Gehring thank you Mr. Chairman, I will second that motion thank you supervisor Gehring any questions or comments? supervisor Baumgart yes Mr. Chairman I have a couple I understand we're supposed to be repealing and recreating chapter 72 shoreland ordinance for Shevon County as all 72 counties have to do this Mr. Chairman and members of the county board the public needs to know and understand that we are required by a state mandate to change Shevon County shoreline protection let me explain how this change in the law came about most of you should know but not be pleased on how it happened in the dead of night this is not very good democracy when the wisconsin joint finance committee was working on the state budget amendment to the budget was added no public hearings none whatsoever this is what we're going to be voting on little to no discussion a power play that weakened local control and weakened wisconsin protection on a shoreline lands and it took power away from local governments our power your power as county board supervisors and every seven every county in the state of wisconsin who used to have a little play so they could work with their own shoreline zoning because not every county is the same Lake Michigan is different than the horecon marsh zoning the dodge county is different than Kenosha county and if you go around the state the thing that was put in the budget requires that everybody follow the basic model crazy the public should know this was stuck in the middle of the night in a budget in a process called democracy anyway in the days that followed the budget amendment the county land and water departments which I'm on the prayer committee and we weren't quite very happy about the process Wisconsin county association lake association many of them and throughout wisconsin became aware and concerned wrote letters and resolutions we had some and met with legislators who gave us a cold shoulder they knew that there was a loss of local control of shoreline protection many newspapers wrote editorials conservation groups became concerned at the end the joint finance committee and the legislature made some very very modest changes and said there we helped you out good job anyway the temptation would be to see it was done by a political party that claims best government is local government that's us obviously the temptation would be to say they screwed us but I don't care which political party does it in the dead of night it was not right, it was a raw deal and the people of this county and every county in the state of Wisconsin has to suck it up tonight and I'm not going to vote for this thank you supervisor Bemus well at least they were working in the middle of the rate and they didn't end up coming to Illinois thank you supervisor Bemus any other discussion any other discussion okay all those in favor vote aye those opposed nay nineteen ayes four nays thank you consideration of committee reports finance committee resolution number seventeen regarding improving land swap at amsterdam dunes committee recommendation to adopt supervisor wagerman thank you mr. chairman I'll vote for adoption of resolution number seventeen thank you supervisor wagerman supervisor distruty thank you mr. chairman I'll second the motion thank you supervisor distruty any discussion all those in favor vote aye those opposed nay two seven vote yes motion is approved unanimously thank you turn the gavel over to the vice chairman martensi thank you mr. chairman resolution is introduced resolution number eighteen from the executive committee regarding authorizing county to lend bay lake regional planning commission just over seventy three thousand dollars to refinance pension liability resolution number eighteen is referred to the finance committee resolution number nineteen from the executive committee regarding approving standard intergovernmental agreement for county sales tax revenue sharing resolution number nineteen is referred to the finance committee president bombard just curious we skipped over resolution seventeen was there a reason for that no it was voted on okay that's why sorry continuing on resolution number twenty from the planning resources ag and extension committee regarding acceptance of dedicated donation for amsterdam dunes resolution number twenty is referred to the finance committee resolution number twenty one from the planning resources ag and extension committee regarding approving revisions to farmland preservation plan resolution number twenty one is referred to the executive committee resolution number twenty two from the planning resources ag and extension committee regarding authorizing sheboygan county planning and conservation department to apply for county conservation aids resolution number 22 is referred to the finance committee okay continuing on resolution number 23 from the transportation committee regarding authorizing relocation of highway offices and facilities resolution number 23 is referred to the executive committee resolution number 24 from the transportation committee regarding supporting the just fix it program for statewide road maintenance resolution number 24 is referred to the executive committee resolution number 25 from the transportation committee regarding authorizing county aid for bridge culvert construction in the town of wilson resolution number 25 is referred to the finance committee ordinances to be introduced there are none and a motion is in order to adjourn supervisor beeman's supervisor Winkle motions to adjourn second motion to second it all in favor of adjourning press your eye button most polls press your name button we are adjourned county board is adjourned