 Good evening. I'd like to convene the regularly scheduled Berlin Town Select Board to order. With us tonight on my left is Flo Smith. On my right is Tor Nelson. I'm Brad Town and any additions or changes to the agenda tour? I do have one addition I'd like to add adding a member to the Fire Department merger committee. Okay and before I forget I'd like to introduce our Town Treasurer Callie Streeter. Sorry about that Callie, I should have done it from this start. Any public comment? Mr. Romay. Yo, yeah go ahead. Good evening Matthew Romay. I am a resident of the Town of Berlin on Haskins Terrace which is a private road off of Chandler Road and for the purposes of the select board even though I often appear in front of you in an official capacity this is strictly me and a my personal tax-paying self tonight. I find it a little disheartening that we are coming into the end of the construction season and the first good snowfall of the year coming up in a couple of days and off of a election where a lot of bonds were put out and a lot of things are happening in the town and that's that's awesome. But Payne Turnpike is still closed since the flood. Major town artery and there's a bridge down here in Riverton that the town and the state have been pointing their collective fingers at each other for three four years and I really worry that the town is going to further overextend itself and some of these new projects which granted I know some of them are really need to have some of them are nice to have but the town is about to get itself into a real pickle over extending itself if we can't even keep our roads open. And I just I'm very concerned that there may have been some miscalculations and priorities or or or what have you but here we are we're going to be closed on Payne Turnpike at least through the winter and I can't even get anybody to talk to me about Lovers Lane. So I don't require response to any of that tonight. I just wanted to make my voice heard. Okay. Thank you, Matthew. Thank you, Matthew. Any other public comment? Okay. A Plymouth Select Board member. So because we talked that Dave Sawyer has moved out of town and resigned from the Select Board put out a notice that we're accepting new members and we've had one prison express interest, Carla Nuiso. The only one. I guess we can create something for you if you like. But so our cover letter and resumes included in your packet and anything you'd like to say, Carla, or any questions for her? No, I'll just say that I I'd be honored to be to join the Select Board. I thought about it for a while and it seemed like the right time. Now I feel like it's a better time in terms of my personal life and in terms of activities on the planning commission. We've got some new members, I think that can take over as chair, at least I may sound as a member since I can. But so I just thought it was a good time and I was excited about the opportunity. I'm really glad that you applied and I had time tonight to read through your cover letter in its entirety. We had an interview prior to the meeting tonight. So I buzzed through your resume, but I know you have a high skill set. And I can tell in your letter your enthusiasm for the position. And I would wholeheartedly be in acceptance of having you on our Select Board. So that's my take. So is that a motion? Is that a motion? If all others are in agreement, I'll make the motion to appoint Carla Nweezel to the Select Board. And I appreciate you expressing your interest. I second. Any discussion? Welcome aboard, Carla. We welcome you with open air. I'm not really prepared to participate at the moment. Yeah, and technically, you'll have to stop and it's a town clerk who could take the oath. I was going to say, you must have to, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And as much as I would like to say and listen, I actually have a something leaking, a pipe leaking in my house. I was sitting at my computer and I had a propane furnace installed two years ago and all of a sudden one of the pipes, something was coming out of it and it stopped. But I just want to make sure that wasn't propane. Yes, absolutely. Sending you great vibes. Thank you so much. Basically, I'll be here tomorrow night. And no, Rachel actually have to do it. Oh, okay, okay. Between what, nine and three? Yes, yes, definitely. Just check with her and what works for your schedule. Okay, thank you, Carla. Thank you. Then if we could go, since we're doing the appointment, Gary Olett has resigned from the Fire Department Merger Committee. And we have a letter of interest from Joe Volce, who is the director of facilities at the hospital, who is a major user of the Fire Department Services. I'm not saying that right, but very much support and would move the point in to the Fire Department Merger Committee. I second the motion as well. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Any motion carries? Green Lantern Solar. So we have Sam Carlson with us tonight. He's been to the Planning Commission. And remember, Carlos just left, but from there I was at one of the meetings with you and Joe Staubb, the other select board meeting member who's absent tonight. He was at that meeting as well. Floors are yours. Great. Thank you. Thank you for being here. I appreciate the opportunity to present a proposed solar array here in Berlin, just across the street really on Comstock Road on land owned by Ellen Moody and Ellen may or may not be participating. She is just joining. She's taking care of her mom at home, so she wasn't able to be here in person. If you had a chance to look at the briefing packet, you would have seen some basic information about this project. It's a 500 kilowatt array, which is about three and a quarter acres in size. And that's the maximum size allowed by the state of Vermont for what's called a net metered solar project. We have a signed option to lease agreement with Ellen Moody. You will have seen the sketch of the array and I just wanted to highlight a couple of things about it. We've worked carefully with landscape architects to make sure that there's vegetative screening to shield public and private views of the array. We also sent out letters to all of the butters that would have a private view of the array to ask them if they had any questions or concerns. The Lawrence has responded and we spent about an hour at the Lawrence's house, sort of from their backyard because they're the ones who would be looking most closely at the array. You'll see on the sketch that they asked us to add three spruce trees on their property, as well as then the vegetative screening that would go along the western edge of the array. We also added some pines down in the northwestern part of the property that will shield the view from Berlin corner. And that's in part for the town, but it was also a request from the Vermont Department of Historic Preservation that has looked at this and they wanted us to add those trees. And once we did, they said from their perspective on historic preservation, they were they were feeling okay about it. So the Lawrence's were the only ones of the eight of butters who responded. Yep. Last month, we met with the Planning Commission for the second time to discuss the project. And at that second meeting, the Commission voted to approve the site as a preferred site for solar development. This is, you may or may not be aware, but towns, municipalities, you are the first step in the review and approval process of a solar array. We cannot go to the state for the permit, which is called a certificate of public good. For this kind of an array, if both entities of a municipality, the Planning Commission and the Select Board don't approve this site as a preferred site. And so it's a it's a site specific decision. It's not the town saying, we approve of the project. It's saying this is this is a good site to do it. The town will have future opportunities to weigh in about the project when it will get under state permitting, a very, very thick bundle of documents, explaining everything about the project, all the electrical design, the aesthetic impacts, the environmental impacts, there will be hundreds of pages that we are obliged to send for your review. This is merely not merely but this is right now restricted to a question of is this a good site? And can it be sort of properly developed in a way that that abides by the town plan, which for us we take very seriously and in the one of the handouts that preferred site rationale, we tried to go through the town plan and show how this conforms to the town plan. We've also worked closely with the zoning administrator on the issue of ensuring fire protection capacity. And we have submitted an application for water rights. So that the solar array would would be purchasing on an annual basis, a certain quantity of water that we certainly hope to never use. But it's it's prudent, I guess, to to ensure that. We also had discussions with the vast group. It's nice to meet you in person, sir. We are proposing to use the existing vast trail that comes across Comstock Road as our access point to get into the solar array that has a number of advantages. One is that wetland area. Trees have already been cleared there and we want to minimize any additional clearing for both environmental reasons as well as aesthetic reasons. The secondly, we met with the Agency of Natural Resources on site and walked that area with them. They looked at the vast trail, and they agreed that if we upgraded that trail with a new cover, and we put in a new gravel road that uses what's called a rock sandwich. Meaning we use some very much thicker rock on the base that's got holes in it. And then much finer gravel on top, that will allow the wetland water to keep moving down below. And so the wetland function and the movement of the water from east to west under the access road will be preserved. And we hope it will improve the vast trail there, where you probably get a little voice there sometimes. It's hopefully frozen by the time we get it. It's hopefully frozen, but hopefully maybe you get some thoughts in there. And that might address that as well. We did have a conversation and it seems like a win-win from that perspective. So I'd lastly just point out that in terms of projected revenue for the town, there of course, we pay a tax to the town based on the size and the revenue. There's a formula that gets applied. That's a state-approved formula. Ultimately, the Lister would be running that formula to say this is what we would owe when we run the numbers that comes out to about $2,700 a year. And then in addition, there would be the water rights payments. So that would be about $3,700 a year over the course of 25 to 30 years. So over that time, it'd be about $100,000 would go to the town if we're able to get this array permitted, built and operational. I can go on and on about the project would have probably gone on long enough and I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. And well, I should conclude by saying what we're really asking for is for you to designate this site as a preferred site for solar development. And I had included in that package a draft letter. That's a letter that we've used with other towns and it is also basically a copy of the letter that the Planning Commission voted on and approved as well. At your initial presentation to the Planning Commission, you were actually talking about two separate sites, this site and also Scott Hill Road, if I remember. Can you explain how the queuing process with Green Mountain Power getting connected right push that one back a little bit? Yep. So we applied so just to back up a little bit after we signed option to lease agreements with both Ellen Moody and the Zabrisky family on Perron Farm. We then submitted to Green Mountain Power, basically what's called a feasibility study request. And Green Mountain Power then looks at what's the impact on their electrical grid. If we plug these solar arrays in, and they obviously are trying to minimize any impacts on stability, reliability, whatever, we submitted those on the exact same day at the exact same time in the exact same email to Green Mountain Power. But they had to do one before the other because they have to do it sequentially. So they chose Comstock Road first. And so Comstock Road sort of came first out of the gate. It is still our hope that we'll be able to move on in a few months time to develop Scott Hill Road. The Public Utility Commission at the state level has recently made some rulings in other towns that have two solar projects going forward on similar timelines that these projects might be considered a single plant, meaning that instead of two 500 kilowatt arrays, the Public Utility Commission might consider them one megawatt array, which would then make it ineligible to do net meadling these things. So we have decided that we need to separate these things in time, which increases the inefficiency of developing the projects. But it's exactly that efficiency that the Public Utility Commission would find objectionable. So we have sort of put Scott Hill Road just in a pause. And it would be our hope that in a couple months time, I would be going back to the Planning Commission to be presenting Scott Hill Road. And then if they approve, I'd be coming to you for preferred site status for Scott Hill Road. So we have to be very, very clear that these are two separate projects. So they don't get conflated by the public. 500 kilowatts. Is that three phase? Yes, sir. There's power, there's a three phase power running on Comstock. There's three phase power that goes along a couple hundred yards along Comstock Road, and then it goes underground to the Shaw's shopping center. So the three phase was put into there along Comstock Road, just so it's directly south of Shaw's shopping center, and then it goes underground. So we'll start from there, and then extend the three phase couple poles to get down to where the solar array would be. And obviously that's at our expense. GMP owns the poles, but we have to pay for. And I noticed in your rationale, the last bullet, you had indicated that GMP's feasibility study for this project concluded no upgrades to their system would be required for project interconnection. That's correct. We have to do the additional poles to extend the line, but we don't need to do any new reclosers or circuit breakers or anything that the Berlin substation has plenty of capacity on it. So the question with GMP and the interconnection queue goes to I don't know if you've been approached yet or not, but there is a five megawatt solar project that's been proposed for the very end of Williams Road. I'd heard that. And that is ahead of us in the interconnection queue. And we understand GMP has done a feasibility study and has presented a price quote to the developer of what it would cost to do the interconnection, and it's very, very high. So we're hoping they the developer of that project drops out of the queue. If they don't drop out, we have to sort of we have to wait until that project either is interconnected or or fails to get a permit, because we're just behind them in the queue. But in terms of our project's impact on the grid, there would be none. And how are those erected? Are those on ground screws? Do you do a foundation of cement? Neither, actually, they're just poles that just get pounded that would use a pile driver. You just knock them straight into the ground about five feet. Yep. Yep, because and we have to do a we do geotechnical analysis. I mean, it's the soil. If if we're on hard rock, well, then we've got to use drill or in some cases, we'll use concrete blocks that sit on the top. But we don't like to use concrete, because that represents a permanent soil disturbance. And what we want to do is to have the soil in a situation where when the solar array ceases operations, we pull these posts out of the ground. And the soil is is exactly as it was when we first arrived, whereas if we had to pour concrete, then then it's a bit messy. And what's the how what is that ground there? Yeah, so right there along Comstock Road, there's a wetland. But as soon as you sort of move about 120 feet or so in from Comstock Road, then it's all dry. That's all hey, that's all healing. Yep. Yep. So we've we've done a whole wetland delineation. I don't know if that comes out in sketch. Yeah, that so the red line is the buffer. So with solar arrays, we can be within 50 feet of the wetland. So the red line is the 50 foot buffer. That says you can't get any closer than that. So if your eyes just go 50 feet in, you'll see where the edge of the wetland is. And that's been sort of approved by the agency of natural resources, the wetlands division, when they came out for a site visit, they looked at all the flagging that we did. And they confirmed that. Any more questions? And then for me, thank you question. So you're looking for a role of confidence on this project? I'm looking for a vote that would approve this site as a preferred site. Again, so what would happen if you do approve it as a preferred site? Shark and Lane. What's that Ellen? Hold my back. I'm so sorry. I'm getting multiple phone calls at once. I'll mute myself. No worries. It happens. So if the select board approves, we would then on probably December 1st send out what's called the 45 day advance letter. And that's a letter that goes to the town, it goes to state, it goes to all the butters with the sketch and providing sort of our intention of this is what we intended to do and with no sooner than 45 days can then we go to the state and apply for the permit. But the town would have several more sort of bites at the apple vote that the 45 day notice time to express concerns and questions. And then when we actually submit for the public for the certificate of public good, that's when this big huge package comes. And then that's another chance for the town to decide is this is this something that's in favor of or not right now. Yeah, I'm I'm asking for a vote to declare this site a preferred site for solar development. I moved that we issued the preferred site letter for Comstock Road solar project and authorized the select board chair to sign and I second that motion with the understanding as you've explained that if we have questions or concerns during those periods of time, we can bring them forward. Yes. Thank you so much. Any other questions on this? All those in favor? All right. Motion carries. Greatly appreciate all your efforts. Sure. Well, please through the town administrator, let me know if any folks have questions or want to reach out to me, you know how to reach me and happy to come and meet with people and talk about it. Wonderful. Great. Thank you so very much. Appreciate your time. Appreciate you. Have a good evening. Okay. The Berrytown Thunder chicken snowville trail usage. I mean, Dave, you didn't get much use on it last year, did you? We did it. We did it at all. No, and that's because we had a lot of wet areas around and one of them was over on the backside of the airport. We actually moved the trail so we didn't have to zigzag through the industrial part, try to get snowmobiles away from cars. And then it was wet on that far side of the the airport. So everybody kind of found out about it wasn't a desirable trail and therefore didn't get as much activity as we wanted. But that's okay too. So but here here tonight, Dave rule of President of the Berrytown Thunder chickens that we've had this trail in place for a couple years. Now the first year we kind of got permission to go under the underpass and kind of went up and that just got some local riders out and started getting everybody comfortable with what we were asking for. The second year we got permission to go further through down Black Road down Brookfield Road over to Irish Trail, working with the Conservation Committee to go up and over and connected. It turned out to be a great trail. A lot of people loved it had been a trail back in the year. So a lot of people that been snowmobiling for decades or like, wow, I remember this back in the day and stuff. So it's pretty cool just to get that nostalgia in. So but here again, just asking permission to use town property across town road here under the underpass, that part of Black Road, Brookfield Road and of course the property up over Irish Hill that we have in the past and field any questions that you guys may know. No problems last year. No problems last year other than a wet spot that was a little bit undesirable. But are we just thinking more on the roads themselves? Nope. Nope. The first year I think we had a snowstorm and we kind of groomed up Brookfield and I think that some cars weren't sure where the road was. So they kind of went into the ditch, but we just kind of stopped grooming there. On occasion, we will kind of go down with a groomer, not grooming just to turn around up on Irish Hill. It's tougher for the Northfield Club to kind of come down and turn around there. So we kind of go up and groom the park a lot up there, but we don't kind of groom on the side of the road that we had because of that. So but no, I haven't heard any problems or concerns or anything. So which is good news always. I make the motion to move forward with the agreement that we have in place and appreciate all that you do and looking forward to the snow season and appreciate everything that you've done for us. A second. Any further discussion? Just say that the Conservation Commission is aware of this request and doesn't have any concerns about it either. Okay. Thank you so much, Dave. You're welcome. Thank you for having me. All those in favor? Aye. All right. Motion carries. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Have a wonderful evening. You as well. And happy holidays. Thank you. I take it by the X-Tour, I guess. Okay. Church's report, Kelly. So everyone's going to copy the wonderful budget status report. There's not really much that's too high in here. We did get an extra state payment for roads. So that is shown in highway summer and highway winter. So they did an extra payment to help towns out with flooding in there. Second quarter property taxes went pretty well. So just wrapping up some stuff with that. Get that closed out. The only thing that is higher looking on the go tax abatements was higher due to flooding. And we do have another abatement hearing on the 29th of November. What was that? Two more trailers? Two more trailers. Yep. There are two more trailers coming in. Looks really good. The only other piece was the flood damage coming in. So we're still getting invoices for flood damage. The category B emergency protective measures is almost ready to be submitted. That's the only one FEMA is paying out for right now. Have you heard when FEMA is going to start paying out on the rest of it? Probably not until they get a full year budget or appropriations of both the technical term. They just punted on that last week again for I don't know how long they're 45 days or something like that. We're just waiting on a couple more things from that piece and then. We're thinking the CATB is going to be around 12,000? Does that? It's going to be higher than that. 12 to 20,000 I think. Yep. What was that? I'm expecting that claim to be about 12 to 20,000. That's mainly for the activities that's Monday and Tuesday of the flood itself. They're busy. That was such a second budgeting cycle. Thank you Callie. With a big smile on her face. Thank you. FY25 budget discussion. Speaking of budget, there it is. So I've included in the packet a very rough start of plugging some numbers in to the budget just to get some place holders here. Right now I'm penciling in a 3% raise. See how that goes further into the process. Last couple months the consumer price index has been not rising as fast as it has been for. So that's looking, so for the year to date it's about 3.2%. So that trend continues to 3% might be right on. One point looks like it's going to be 3.7%. I don't want to have to add that in, but it looks like it's backing off a little bit. Of course I've not filled anything in for the Assistant Treasurer yet. Town Administrator, I've bumped up a... I think that's right at the 3% as well. In anticipation of going to a charter change to call it a Town Manager, if we don't pursue that, my recommendation is to keep it at the same amount it was. This year I'm demanding $22,320 for an economic development position, one third time. That went over easier than I thought it would. Mr. Chair, not only in the eyes there, I'm also looking for $1,000 for economic development for supplies under capital budgeting. Don't have the final numbers for police and highway yet. Added in $253,000 for a loader. I put in $56,000 for a police cruiser, but we do have money set aside an ARPA for a police cruiser, which we did not use on this year's cruiser. So I'm going to assume that that's where that money's going to come from. And how much is in there residual? Well, it was in there was $45,000, but I bumped it up to the $56,000, because that's what this year's cruiser came in, it has. How much is left in the ARPA? My rainy day funds is about $45,000. That includes, I've set aside $15,000 for the furnace, and I got a worst case scenario, $35,000 for a capital planning consultant, but we have applied for a grant. So if we get that grant, that might have become available again. So worst case scenario is $45,000, it may in fact be more than that. Speaking of ARPA, and I'll get you the print out next meeting, we have until December of 2024 to have that money obligated, basically identified for a project, and it has to be spent by December 2026. So we have just about a year left to identify those projects, you know, that we want to apply it towards. Now one other option we will have available for this year is just to put that remaining amount into our budget under the income level, and it'll just go against the tax rate, so $0.45 would be about, I mean $45,000, not quite a penny on the tax rate, but this will be our last opportunity to do it that way. If we don't do it this time, then we would have to do a piecemeal buy project. And I think that's really about it for right now, like I said, we'll start in earnest at the next meeting, having the police and fire, not police and fire police, and highway come in and the other departments and boards and commissions and stuff as well. So I've not added everything up yet, we're not even close to having, adding up to see what kind of impact we're going to have overall. That's a good start. Somewhere in there I think I put in $1,000 for town health officer and zoning enforcement. Okay that's yeah that's where we're going. First page, right above wages new econ developer. Okay well yeah, okay they're in orange. Yeah so that should make the current town health officer happy. It might be a joint position health officer and zoning enforcement. I mean you might need to bump that up a little bit, I don't know, we'll see. And can you speak to when you were mentioning about the economic development position that you wanted it to be a third? So that would be 15 hours a week or on average I guess 15 hours a week. Darkest probably closer to 12 or 12 to 13. My mouth is fuzzy. No worries, it's a lot of number pushing. I trust you have this on a spreadsheet. You can't export from NEMRIC right into a spreadsheet and that's what I do. Anything else on the budget? I'm not right now, more to come. Thank you Tor. Okay approval of licenses, permits, vouchers, and applications. I make the motion to move the payable warrant 24g12 with check number 23510 to 23552 in the amount of 182,457.53. Payroll warrant 24-12 for payroll from November 5th 2023 to November 18th 2023 paid on November 22nd of this year in the amount of $61,891 and 55 cents. Second. Any other discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Those opposed? Motion carries. Approval of minutes. So there are two sets in there. I think we're still missing the October 16th minutes. I don't think I've ever seen those. But we do have the minutes from the select board meeting portion of the November 6th 2023. This was the meeting at the school following the bomb vote pre-town meeting. I make the motion to approve those minutes with just a change and that's a couple of headers just moving them so that the header matches with the description underneath on page one and page two. Here's second. Second. Any other discussion? Hearing none. Those in favor? Aye. Motion carries. Roundtable floor. No, we got one more set. We have one more. The special session we don't have a corner. Yeah, it wasn't here. You know, you're already porch up some mashed potatoes. You didn't invite any of us. Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Put that to the side. I'm not the least bit sorry about that. Okay, roundtable floor. The only thing that I would say is opening up now under roundtable for additional discussion regarding Matthew Romeo's concerns about the roads and at least express some discussion surrounding that and where we stand as a board and what our thought process is and I'm not sure if Matt's still with us or not. He's jumped off already. But perhaps we could offer up some views there in terms of taking it under consideration. We don't have all the answers to everything that he discussed tonight but I just wasn't sure if either of you would like to speak to any of that to reiterate why we made the decision that we did and so forth especially regarding the road closure. Well, I mean the only thing that was a road closure especially on pain is there's nothing you can do without an engineering report and I think you'd even need the engineering on just a to make it so it'd be safe temporarily. And I concur with that. And if you don't have the engineering report the liability becomes the town. That's right and we don't have the engineering report and that's a huge part of it at this time. And the other part of it was on Lover's Lane Bridge. I mean the deeding of the or the maintenance on that bridge is the state's responsibility. That is correct. And other than maybe taking the state to court but I mean that's not really a viable thing to do I don't think. They're not gonna move any faster. Now on that one there on the Lover's Lane Bridge if I mean as I understand it it's just basically taking the deck off and doing a little iron work. I mean we could put it out to bid to a to a construction company that has some welders and send the state to build. I wouldn't imagine that would go over and be easier. At least it'd be faster. But I think you know it points to what I'm looking at you know I keep pushing every meeting for capital planning and I know that's what we're looking at with the options tax is capital planning is that we have to have a better plan for this we can't just keep going in the dark and pulling out what we're going to do each year we need you know we need a longer term vision that's got to be a vision for the town. What roads are we going to not just what roads are we going to do this year but what roads are we going to do next year what roads are we going to do in three years and five years and we can start putting the stuff you know this Lover's Lane Bridge was 10 years overdue you know we should we should have been doing this 10 years ago. Absolutely. And you know we lucky for a while that we got away with it as long as we did but we need to start getting stuff scheduled more in advance so we can start planning for it we can start finding the funding for it and taking care of issues before they become the closed down issues we have now. Absolutely and so much has happened over the last few years and it's put everything in a tremendous state and everyone is working very diligently to bring it all to fruition just like with positions and succession planning just as you described we need more of that going forward so I respect Matthew's opinions tonight Gladie brought them forward and I thought this was good to be able to have this discussion and then he'll know some of our thinking behind that. And you know the local options tax is a good opportunity for this because because if we look at the you know the budget numbers for for what we've been spending on capital budgeting you know anywhere from 300 to 700 thousand dollars a year you know we got budgeted $410,000 this year budgeted $562,000 last year I think it was over 700,000 a year before if we get $600,000 let's just say off the local options tax that knocks out everything we're spending on capital budgeting on plus another 50 percent so we can do everything we're doing on a capital budget plus have another 50 percent on top of that that's why this is going to be such a good deal for the town and we're running to everybody to support it this just come and go around I'm in total concurrence with that and we've been really looking diligently at that for years now and I really feel that as it was then it is now it's definitely needed and we'll have a huge impact on our ability to do more for the town in all respects do more proactively any else to her I mean hello I just wanted to add in that I really have confidence that the state will come through regarding Lovers Lane Bridge and I think it's just timing there's just been so much that's happened in conjunction with the flooding this summer everything got pushed back further I think there was some headway that was being made and then the flooding occurred and things got pushed back understandably so and I think the state will come forward and will be pleasantly surprised well I just you know look at how far advanced the state does their planning correct you know we're talking about the Route 12 paving and and the bridge work there in Riverton you know that's they're looking at that several years in advance they're all 302 bridge in front of Price job they're looking at several years in advance before it comes you know it's just not they wake up in the morning and redo a bridge I mean they they plan these things out several years in advance it's frustrating for us looking at that way that we you know we identify a bridge and we want to take care of right now but you know it's a matter of getting through their timing and everything like you said to and we need to be in that same boat that we're walking that far ahead as well absolutely do or anything for I don't think I have anything else you're all done unless you brought some pork chops yeah okay I have nothing else so let's if we can go back into executive session I'm with that we enter into executive session regarding the assistant treasurer position under one to be a say three one three a three I second that motion all those in favor all right motion carries we do not expect any decision to be made I move to adjourn I'm sorry didn't you have this one other thing or we already touched we already touched on the member to the fire department committee so we're also very good I move to adjourn second all those in favor we are adjourned wonderful thank you