 Dorothy, right on time. All right, you're all set. Okay. I looked for an email from you, Athena, and I couldn't find it. It came, it came a little late. I'm sorry about that. It's waiting for you in your inbox. Okay, great. So good evening, everyone. This is your regular schedule of TSO meeting. It is Thursday, September 28. This meeting will be conducted via remote means. Members of the public who wish to access this meeting may do so by Zoom or by telephone. No in-person attendance of meeting members of the public will be permitted, but every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time via technological means. So we are recording and I will go ahead and call us to order through roll call, so make sure we can all be heard and hear each other. So, Andy. Present. Okay. Dorothy. Here. Present. Paul. Present. And Athena. I'm here. Okay, so let me just see. If we have anyone with us, if we have anyone in the audience that would like to make public comment, please raise your hand now, and we will bring you in to do so. Okay, so we'll go right in and we will move over to the North Pleasant Street upgrades that we will receive an update on where we stand from Paul. So Paul, I will hand the floor over to you. Great. Thank you. So just for context. So this is a memo I provided to the town council in July of 2021. And at that time, I noted that there, these were a plan, the plans, the department of public works had put together for improvements about of North Pleasant Street, basically from Eastman to Pine Street. So it's a very long stretch of the road. However, we did not have funding at the time. And so we didn't really put it, the council and our staff put a lot of effort into presenting this or discussing it since there were no designated funds. So, but we did note that this would be something that we'd use as a guide, but it never really had a full public discussion. So I think that that's where we are. And this has come to, you know, several issues, a couple of things have come up that have alerted or brought it to the attention of council so that we did a repaving of a stretch of sidewalk on the west side of North Pleasant Street from Meadow Street, just beyond where the little common area ends. And so people are pleased with that, but raise some questions. And then there's also a section closer to Eastman adjacent to Old Farm Road that the plan calls for the relocation of a bus stop and the neighbors, there's a development or a new house, two plex being proposed on this parcel. And that became a question why this was being proposed. And so it had never had that level of detail had not really been brought to the council so, you know, because it came up a couple of times it seemed to make sense to start having the conversation with you. So I have the first question is, is this will we need to bring this is a something that we will need to bring back to the council. In order to approve this going forward, even though it seems that parts of it have been implemented already. The only part that's been implemented is repaving a sidewalk the relocation of the bus stop has not been done. That's been when the developer was developing it they went to DPW and they said well if you're going to be changing the sidewalk this is what you should do and that's in the permitting stage right now to actually move it will require action by the town council. And so the referral came the referral that came in 2021. It was on the carryover report from the previous version of TSL and you'll see that Evan wrote about the outreach study felt or that the previous committee felt was necessary, but it does require a report back to the council for council action. Were there any other. Any questions. Okay. I'm missing. You were making a path, but as homeowners residents said didn't want to cooperate but now you're still doing it. I'm just what is I'm confused about what the real issue was. There's no issue. I mean, there could be an issue I guess with the bus stop relocation. The question for the council is this is a proposal that's before you are you prepared to start talking about it and holding a public forum to get additional feedback. There's a fair amount of their fair number of recommendations, including small roundabouts on the road and things like that that I think people will definitely the public will definitely want to have input on. Well, I just was there what do you think about it. I think we I think it's just going to need some real public discussion, you know, I think it's a good plan. It's it's we have the goal of this is to create a safer way for people to walk along. In North Pleasant Street, you know, we had the accident there that killed a young man and this is a way to start to make the sidewalks more coherent make them broader. There's a lot of people walk up and down that sidewalk. And just and I think what the goal is if we get approval from the council that we will start to chip away at pieces of it as you know construction happens or developers are doing a project we can say hey when you put in your sidewalk do it this way. No. Andy. Well, I guess there were several things one is just since I was on the previous TSO. We had to North Pleasant Street sections that were entirely different from each other. We were thrown at TSO at the same time. And the other one was the section along Kendrick Park with installation of the playground and the reconfiguration of the street in the parking. And because that was just so much more imminent for work. That's why we move forward on that one and just ran out of time and energy to come back to this one was we spent a lot of time on the first piece that the other that we were handling. I was several questions though that came to mind. One was that there was really two pieces to it one was the approval of changes to the public way. And the other was maybe from the finance side. I think I have thought about in that is the financial piece to it. What it is that would pay for this whether it all comes out of our capital funds for roads and sidewalks or whether there's any additional funds. I'm sure that we ever had that discussion at any point in any committee. And but certainly the will do it when funding is available kind of chill on having that discussion at all. But it still is out there is the question that I would ask. Yes, the other thing that I thought about and it may be necessary but when you have the sidewalk being built along one side of the road and then crossing to the other side of the road with the crosswalk. You're forcing everybody to cross the road and that it provides safety concerns now we did it on pine street because we absolutely had to. This goes back to my select board days. That discussion but the if you drive down that road you'll see that the drop off is so great. In one section when that you really had to do it goes no other option, but it doesn't carry the volume of walkers and it doesn't carry the volume of walkers at night. And who may be a little bit more needed than a walker along pine street in the middle of the day. So has there been any analysis of the safety concerns of that approach and then coming back to the necessity but Yeah, so we do not have funding, you know, I mean, we would use chapter 90 funding or, you know, the town sidewalk monies as we prioritize sections of it. And we, you know, if we can seek grants that go along with safe streets, you know, especially adjacent to the university. You know, maybe the university chips in something that those are always been our strategies and they have as much concern as we do about the safety of their, because it's primarily students who walk up and down that road. So that's been part of our sort of goal is to continue to have that conversation and they have understood that and want to study this area as well. So in terms of the crossing the road, I'm sure they're, I mean, DPW is totally on it. They make they make these designs based on public safety. I'm sure there's a reason why they have to cross. They have recommended that we cross the road where they do instead of having it one contiguous sidewalk on one side of the road. I don't know the answer to it. Quite frankly, Andy, that's a question for the town engineer on while they why they've designed it that way. This is kind of relevant. We went to the New York area this past weekend, and we saw stop signs with little solar things above them and little sparkling lights that went on. And I thought, oh, wow, those are good. Have we had any thought of putting some of those on our streets because they seem to me they really were helpful. I don't know if they've looked at putting those any a lot of communities are starting to put those lit stop signs up. I'm not sure if we have had that consideration or not. I had one other question. I definitely can appreciate with this plan how it. What in sidewalks and also seems to extend in some of the spaces where now. If I'm correct the sidewalk just kind of stops out of nowhere and an extended this friend. So, and then there's also a. So, there's also a round about is the round about. Around where the accidents. The accident happened. You were talking about one. And then also with the width of the sidewalk. I'm not sure if, if I remember correctly, was this just for a walking pedestrian sidewalk or was this a dual use like for for biking as well. Yeah, I don't know where the pedestrian accident actually occurred the. They put the round about the mini round about in at Crestview, because I think of the to eliminate the left hand turns coming out of Crestview. So, I think that that was the purpose, but I think that again would be a ten engineer conversation. And so the, it's usually we, what we're building tend to be multi use paths, which are slightly wider than a sidewalk. So you can have a bike path. A bicycle bicyclist pass a. A person who's walking and this is basically in the, you know, there was a proposal before I was here about a bike path that went along the back end from the university up to. And Andy remembers this, I'm sure through the back of all the apartment complexes to have people off the road and to have a bike path that would let people move from meadow street down to the university. And there was a lot of barriers to supporting that, especially from property, the apartment complex property owners. I think they were sort of doing this because we know that there's a lot of people traffic on this road and we want to start to improve it along the way. So, I guess the question is, does the TSO committee want to take it up? If so, when do you want to start to take it up? Do I do it this council or plan it for next year? And I think it's worth it, even if you think it should happen next year that we start to calendar it. But I would agree as best if there's work that has started with the rest of the committee thinks that just to be able to look backwards and especially with our next meeting will be able to to see a grid of all that we have for the remainder of this term. So we will be able to as a committee really look and see what we feel that we can accomplish and what there will be five meetings, I believe then. And, you know, what will package as neatly and efficiently for the next council and TSO as well. Because it seems, you know, off a hand at this, I'm not sure just thinking off and if we would be able to get to some of the get some community input and share the word and maybe package it up but I'll include it. I know you haven't you haven't chimed in yet and then we'll go to Doris. Yeah, and I apologize this for whatever reason the memo with all the maps, it says there's like chaos, this there's just simple chaos happening in my home right now with one creature, there's one creature in here who's wrecking havoc. Anyway, point is, Paul, can you specify what work. I apologize if you said this already but can you, you said some work has already started. Could you specify what work that is. I'm trying to balance both the fact that we have five meetings is absolutely won't get done. And nothing bad on us and just saying it's not, I don't think we'll do that. And recognize that neighbors are already seeing ground being broken it sounds like and so I want to make sure that we're able to communicate how it's being dealt with and and also I do think at some point we need to backtrack and figure out how it got. I think that's more of like a process thing of, we don't want to hold up DPW which it sounds like that's why this kind of happened the way it did so I do think at some point we need to interrogate our process, if we're keepers of the public way. We also have a responsibility to address public way issues. So that things can still get done. And so I think that's kind of a two parter. I think dealing with this but then I also think we need to look at how kind of how this happened the way it did so that we can prevent that in the future. So my question is, you mentioned speaking to the institutions about some of the adjustments and yet the maps are bogging down my computer for whatever reason today they they're not letting me scroll around as quickly as I would like, but some of this. Are we are we also looking to some of the larger complexes to support this project financially. So we haven't done anything on the financial part on this, you know. So I think the the section that's been completed is the section from Meadow Street down to that's the four of four I think is what the, what this one is what it is. And this is where there was the sort of secondary road and it adjusted and then, you know, after conversations with the neighbors and things I think they were pleased with the outcome. The area that is probably the high urgency is nothing's been done on it. It's a, when the developer went to the zoning board or planning board forget who they were before. They said, we're going to relocate the bus stop because DPW asked us said this is where the bus stop should be going. And so, and that's what neighbors start saying, what, where did this come from. And so that nothing has been, there's no groundbreaking or anything like that, but that's the recommendation and. Thank you, Athena. Yeah, I think that is number one of four. Awesome. And then do we have an estimate on total cost for this project? I don't know. Okay. This was the idea was, as things happen, you know, like, if, if someone's, you know, if there's a development happening or the university says they're going to do something, we say, Hey, while you're at it, here's what we want you to put in. Yeah, so let's see the bus stop. That's where they're proposing the bus stop on adjacent to Old Town Road. So what I noticed out of this map. And thought about before is that this is really where the main part of the sidewalk is actually shifted to the east side of the street. But the bus stop that's causing the concern is actually on the west side. So it's a part of the drawing because it certainly would be that was the intent. As it was drawn. And of course buses always pull up to the side of the road that's appropriate for the direction that they're going in. But it would almost strike me that it is a separate issue and it's the first issue that we need to deal with. Because of the order of construction is the is that bus stop, then it ought to be just dealt with as an isolated issue. It doesn't seem like we have enough urgency or information or capacity to handle the full review. And I guess my last point is that at some point, but it could actually wait till the next council. I think having the town engineer come in and really explain section by section if we end up only having to deal with one bus stop. We can just isolate to that discussion. I think we need to talk about the whole plan, but at some point a council does need to and it may make sense. Given the how close we are now to the end of this council term to just let it wait till the next council term, but to make sure that it's prominent in the memo that we write about issues to carry over. My feeling is that I am glad that the town has put together what it thinks its ideas are. My feeling is that we should get money from some of the apartment complexes and from the university, and they're going to have some ideas of what they want. So, once we get that and the town works out what they think can be done, then you have hearings, which will be very lively. I don't think that we should go ahead until we know the funding, because I think that there's a really good case to be made for funding to come not from the town for most of this. So, you know, this is maybe the town making its first move, but I don't think we should have hearings or do anything on it until we know where the funding is coming from. So, would it make sense I think to ask the town engineer to come in and make a present overview presentation look here's the concept for the entire road. Here's the specific thing like Andy was saying let's look at the bus stop if that's if that's still an active issue for the developer and the neighbors that will generate a lot of interest. There are a lot of neighbors who are concerned about the development and they will have opinions on that. So, you could say you could have an overview from the town engineer about what this process what this project is and why they believe that they should do what they should be doing. And I hear what you're saying about funding, but it's what we're hoping to do and why we presented it was we know that some of these things happen in piecemeal. You know, and to say no, nothing's going to happen until we have all the funding, which is could take forever, you know, so we think we should be doing have a plan and then as things start to develop we we grab that piece and do it. I think also would be great as if that also includes perhaps even if it's an estimate of what that what that cost is. And I always think about like the might make more sense to doing something which is is a piecemeal at this point because even my questions around the bus stop is just I'm also curious as to what was the thought process behind that why is it moving and it could be a great thing but just just a general question of how how are the stops determined and what if any what is the impact on anyone from moving that bus stop you know so it might be something that's great answers more people but you know, I think we know just in general with some of the way that bus stops are located especially when they're near apartments that you know those who may be in the back it takes them a lot longer to you know to get to the bus stop so just, I'm just I'm curious to know. Yeah, I think I think the logic. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm curious to know why, why, why it's moving and who would be impacted I mean it could be something that would be even more convenient for just curious about that. So typically when they try to locate bus stops is they bus stops, they try to have them across the street from each other, and they're trying to align this with that. They try to have bus pull off areas so the buses pull out of the travel lane when they're loading and unloading passengers and that's they're looking for width of the road where there's room enough to have a pull off area. And I think in this and I think they relocated this one a little bit closer to the campus because it's it gets people who are getting off the bus closer to the places where they probably want to go on campus. But they can explain why, you know, I'm not the engineer who designed it they had ideas on what they were trying to accomplish. I think it would be just, it would be helpful to. Yeah, absolutely. Get that information, get sure, get refreshes to be on a package it up as thoroughly as possible. And the other question that I was just going to say is regarding funding, they brought up a question. I shouldn't put as a question as much as I'm going to, but is there any legal basis for compelling the apartment buildings to contribute to this. I can't think of any. Yeah. But as people are developing things like they say, you know, when university was doing its, you know, it's new university village apartments there. They had a conversation with DPW about what should the entrance look like. Okay, we want to make sure that there's a bike station there and there's a bus stop there. Let's make sure you put your driveway in alignment with that. And that was the situation with the bus stop. Right now there's a driveway where the proposed bus stop is and DPW is saying we're like to minimize the number of intrusions on the North Pleasant Street. We'd like to, the more intrusions you have, the more conflict points you have. So they said, can we swing the driveway to the side street and then be able to put our bus stop there and if we hadn't had that conversation they put their driveway, their brand new driveway there and we would never be able to put our bus stop there. And that's why they say, well, wait a minute. If you're going to be redeveloping that site, let's talk about it. And then while they're putting their money into landscaping and stuff, it can align with the town's goals. So I think that's why this one has some, you're right, Andy and Anika, about worth having that conversation about that particular relocation. Yeah, our discussion with the university is really different from our discussion with private complex. Right, but this is a private development that's happening right now. It's in consideration. Oh, this is, that's right. This is similar to the one that's almost, or is complete on the other end of campus is part of that public private partnership. No, it's a totally, it's a little Greek revival house that they, I think they want to demolish it and put into duplexes or something like that. But it's a private developer doing it. Are there any other questions or, or thoughts. Okay, so we will leave it to you, Paul, just to see when, when is the, I guess the first state that we can hear a little presentation. Yeah, I think that, I think it does that way. What do you think is best forward. I think we should look at our planning calendar I think the next TSO meeting we have street lights coming back. We have shell any bringing back her next iteration of the outreach proposal, and then she has some changes to the waste teller so. So I think there's a lot coming up on the next TSO agenda and we'll just want to take a look at our agenda is going forward into the end of the year because they're starting to fill up. And if we want to make space for this before the end of it's what what I'm getting the impression is that folks want to hear about the bus stop change and then leave the rest of the plan for the carryover. Is that what the committee is agreeing to. Okay. Right. I was surprised. I thought we were going to be talking about waste hauler. Isn't that something that we're trying to finish. And what is the timing of that. So, um, Shelly and the other sponsors how they're proposing some changes my understanding is that the changes will be a sort of initial step to the overall goal Andy you can probably speak to this better than I can because you're one of the sponsors so I think I ought to leave it to you. So my answer Dorothy is that it's not on the agenda for today because shelly asked for it to be wait to wait until October 12. So, I think if we have that focus on this particular issue with the North pleasant street then we can find time for. Find a time for Jason to come and speak with the committee but I'm, I'm curious what the committee imagines. The next steps after that would be for the bus stop issue. If you want to schedule a public information session or something like that then we'll need to start really kind of crunching into the dates that we have left on the calendar and and start to consider how we're going to fit that all in so if the committee takes this part up with the bus stops and you'd like to finish that before the end of the year. I think it might be worthwhile thinking and talking a little bit now about what else you'd like to do with this how much time if you want to do a special meeting and things like that. Yeah, I mean I think I'm. I like the idea of handling one piece of this and I'm not even sure we can get through anything with the bus stop and five meetings to be honest with you when we have so much else on the agenda. So I think Athena it sounds like the other part of your point was what are you expecting to what is the resolution of the bus stop issue, and I kind of have a similar question other than doing outreach and engagement which I think is important but what we don't want to do is do outreach and engagement and then Council switches over and nothing happens for a long time and people feel like they've been abandoned right and so I think that we should keep that in mind as we as we look out. So if we're bringing Jason in to talk about this I had mentioned this earlier to Anika. We had also talked about Paul getting another update from Jason doing a similar presentation on pavement, paving. And I know that I've gotten two new requests in the past week to know where specific roads are on the agenda so if if that could be I know that I know we're playing with really limited time here and I'm asking for something that's not an action but it is something that we talked about doing in TSO and we mentioned to the public that we would be doing again for them to see and so I think that it would be important for us to. I thought we had talked about this and if I'm completely making it up then tell me that and I will happily go on my merry way but if that's possible. I think the last time we talked about paving there's like a priority list of streets right and Anna would it be acceptable to just have an update on the priority list of streets are you looking for more of a TSO conversation. I mean I think there's different levels of acceptability rated love and updated priority list I think that would be really helpful. And then I guess if we took that and referred people back to the old presentation maybe for the in the interim that would that would suffice. If we're if we're crunching time. So Paul so is that something that Paul can share and on the in our future time manager report or is that something you want as a TSO agenda item. I think it's a conversation. It's not just oh here's the next list of it's not street on the list I think it is. But is there a decision point that the committee can make or that the council can make in terms of what streets are going to get paved. It's really the DPW who chooses that based on the available funds and it makes we went out to bid we didn't have enough money for all the road we didn't have enough money for all the roads and so now they're sort of revising that. And I think you're what we're trying to do is budget the amount of time the council the TSO committee has and just each one of these things is an hour. Right. So if you say we have five means we have 10 hours how do you want to budget your time. I think if you open up the roads discussion. That's an hour probably. I totally get that and I'm I understand if and I think once per council would be great I believe the last time we talked about it. We talked about doing it once a year. The reason is and I know that there's no decision point for the council and but the reason is that this is the number one thing we get outreach about right and so I want to make sure that we are informed enough to be able to talk to our. Our constituents about it even though we have any decision making power. And so knowing where for example Hulse Road is on that list and and kind of what. And I know that they don't give timelines for it and I know they don't. Yeah that makes sense to me but you know understanding roughly how many roads we've been getting through or how many feet of road we've been getting through a year whatever it is. All of that is helpful so I don't know that it needs to be an hour long agenda item Athena to your point but I do think a detailed even just a detailed memo update would be really helpful with kind of what what the road list is and kind of what even honestly the cost per per feet or whatever that that is really helpful for I'll speak for myself for me when I talk to my constituents about why their road hasn't been paved yet. Because that does come through us and and usually also it's because they've exhausted other avenues because this is for everybody you know and I know that you all hear it a lot. It's a kind of interest in it right here I think you're right. Thank you. Yeah, it's follow up on what I just said is my first topic and that is that think it is also helpful, because it is a DPW decision for the Council to understand why the DPW has made the decision to prioritize one road is the next to be done. And they usually have very good reasons having to do with both costs and what the seriousness of the road is in comparison to others but and it's easier to explain to a constituent why the other road is getting priority if you have some of that information. It wasn't a council decision. So, you know, as we go forward, that's one thing that I observed would be very helpful because I, I get in my own neighborhood and I do know my my standard answer is drive down Heatherstone and tell me if you think the street is worse than Heatherstone and you know, at least I have something to say, but having something that's actually a little bit more intelligent than that would be helpful to on the. I think we are at a point of really needing to put our topics, one of my other disappointments about TSO in the last in this term is that we never got to discussion of what the towns and do in controlling speed limits and what the town cannot do. And what is the process, if we can do something that needs to study it. And I think that that's a presentation that was made to the first council by then captain thing and Jason and a similar presentation to the next council and beginning for more robust discussion about speed limits, I think ought to be in the carryover memo, because not only are we starting to limit to schedule what we do for the rest of this term but we need to start thinking about the carryover memo to and I would put the speed limits into that category because I know that it's of concern to a number of people residents and to at least assure them that there's a there were the council will move on it and try and develop a better understanding and start to do that. As far as, since that Dorothy and race the issue is some point ago about the trash hauler. It is, you know, we would like to move on it. One of the problems is that we're all getting into a time crunch is we've got multiple things on our place, some of us including trying to run for reelection and the, so there's varying amounts of time availability that amongst the sponsors. So that's one of the problems shall any who's not running for reelection has really spent a lot of time and done some very good work on it. And he hasn't had an opportunity to communicate much with the rest of the sponsors in any kind of robust way. We're in the other piece that's in there is that we are still waiting for the RFI to be back and an analysis to be done and the presentation to be made. The committee, and I think that's the next step to really understand what's going forward shall any has put together by looking at other communities around the country, a potential kind of a really to try and develop a matrix of issues that might be addressed in the bylaw, or that might be considered in discussion to buy life and if you say, but there hasn't been any time to do that. And I think that we really need to give that discussion at some point, but that may be what we can do. And I think that the last point I'm going to raise on cash hauling and then I'm going to give up the floor is that there's been some discussion amongst the sponsors as to what is most appropriate to implement by bylaw and what is most appropriate to implement by regulation. And furthermore, whether the regulations come from the legislative or executive branch. And I think those are important issues to be considering as we go forward with this because there are going to have to be as they're as we've discovered in some of our other discussions like street lights and rental registration things you want to put in a bylaw and really have given more formal status and things that you want to put in regulation and have more flexibility. I think that as we get the presentation of the RFI will be in a better position to have that discussion, because there are a few things that is possible that we could ask the public, the health board to consider. And because they're the ones who promulgated the current regulation and we could make a recommendation to them for on things to consider. So that's kind of the brief report. Thank you, Andy. I think that did you have a response that before we go to Dorothy. Yes, thank you. I, I totally agree with you Andy about the carry over report what we had discussed when the, the acceptance of the MGL chapter 90 18 be that the committee voted on at the last meeting is on the council agenda for Monday and I think when I spoke with Lynn the idea was that that would be an initial step to deal with this bigger issue of speed limits that's going to stay in TSO because adopting or accepting that MGL is just gives the council authority but then a bunch of other things need to be done in order to create those safety zones. And that would be still within TSO to continue to work on that in the next term. And then there's another MGL that would need adopted to address the I think it's the the densely settled areas or something like that are establishing this the speed limit of 25 miles per hour townwide so so all of those other speed limit issues are going to stay within TSO and I'm hoping that I can help Anika with the carry over report and pull documents together so that the next iteration of TSO doesn't have to start from square one. And the other thing about the waste haulers is that this is starting to feel confusing because I'm getting the impression that Shalini is speaking on behalf of the sponsors and so I'm a little concerned that you as a sponsor are not 100% on the same page with Shalini so she is asked for time on the next committee agenda to present what she says are sponsor changes to the bylaw and regulations that she wants to move on more quickly than the part that has to do with the RFI. So I'm hoping that you and the other sponsors can get together with Shalini or speak with Shalini and and get on the same page because I think there's going to be a lot of confusion about what's going on and what steps need to be taken and and so forth if we're hearing a proposal that doesn't match the initial proposal and that sponsors haven't signed off on and it sounds like it's already out there to some point to some extent because we've heard from Zero Waste that we saw an email from Zero Waste about their lack of support for the new changes so hopefully that can happen before the next committee meeting. Thank you. I 100% agree. I know that there have been so many who have put so much effort and energy into this that I think it is really important that everyone is on the same page and I think you know some of us are under the impression that everyone was and it's clear that that's not the case so. Dorothy. This is a question of guess a block I've brought up many times is a block between on Lincoln Avenue between Northampton and Amity which is a disastrous block. And it crossed my mind the other day as I saw the line of construction vehicles lined up as part of the big overhaul of route nine that somebody said let's wait to do that block until after that project is over. In which case I would say oh that was a good idea. So I'm just wondering if that guess has any reality. Those types of things are always taken into consideration they don't repeat the road when there's a major construction project going on. So when the project is finished on route nine is I don't think that block is on the list. I think Dorothy we might be waiting into too far off on a tangent. I think we were talking about some of these other things in terms of agenda planning which right right future agenda or upcoming agenda items is on our agenda but not getting into the meat of an issue so I think talking about paving in terms of placing them on an agenda is cool but getting into the mid degree I think we should try and limit I'm sorry to ask you to save it. But it sounds like Paul can answer that question perhaps for you offline. Alright I think. Okay. So are there any other questions or comments. So I think the question that we left off with was how much what's the committee's idea of how much is going to get done with bus stops. With these particular bus drops on north wasn't. I mean. You know it sounds like one meeting should just be dedicated to DPW let them come in and talk about the things that they. I don't know if we have that meeting available or not Athena. It's really going to depend on how much time waste teller takes how much time street lights takes how much time. The outreach part takes how many other appointments there are and the time that we have to work on the carryover memo so I think just those things are fairly significant and carving out an entire meeting for DPW I think. Could be putting the committee under a little bit of strain unless they're willing to add a meeting. Shelly had brought up the issue of adding a meeting in November. I think another meeting in November. So I think that's that's what I'd like the committee to discuss. That was also if I'm mistaken was like a meeting that was strictly holler. Right. That was that was strictly holler but it sounds. I mean it sounds like if if committee is willing for that so that was for November 16. If if that does work for the committee maybe that could be the time for that. We can do that is is there anyone off hand that is to knows that they are either willing or not willing to be able to accommodate an extra meeting on Thursday November 16. It looks like I can but. Consider it. I think I had said something earlier about the question of the bus stop that I had agreed with which was that having the discussion about the North Pleasant Street budgets bus stop really depends upon DPW is saying that. They are ready to move on something and that they would like to get clarity and of the council's position on it. Within. Reasonably short window. I don't know that we would want to isolate discussion and have a long discussion about bus stop which would require hearing and a lot of interaction with neighbors and doing that unless it's. Necessary and it sounds to me like. We need input Paul from you and DPW about whether you're recommending that we allocate the time to it. So just to be clear, this is not. The DPW has made a proposal that it delivered to the council in 2021. A developer came forward with a plan to develop a piece of property on North Pleasant Street. When these plans come to the town, we circulate them with all the departments. The department of public work said, wait, you know, we had proposed they're putting a bus stop in front of this partial. And if you're going to build something there, we suggest they said, what's your technical advice? They said we should just you put the driveway on the side street, not on North Pleasant Street, because at some point down the road, we're going to want to put a bus stop in here. If the council approves, it's not something we're saying we're going to do it. It came up because of a private development that's been proposed. So, but it does, you know, then so the people, the folks are saying, well, did the council approve this? No, the council has not approved this. It's a DPW proposal. But it's the one that's on the table as we look forward. So that's the, there's not a, like, we're about to build anything or anything like that. It's a proposal for the future. That's why it's a little bit tight. It's a little bit odd, you know, quite honestly, I get it. Thank you. That's a good explanation. But it's still back to the same point that we need advice is, you know, like if you're needing to tell the planning board of the ZBA, whoever's the issuer. The, you know, is authorizing the construction and the design. We need to know the urgency that they need an answer in order to determine our own urgency. Yeah, I don't know the schedule. I can dig that out though for Chris about that. And I'm also just thinking, you know, walk me through this. I'm also just thinking from the standpoint of the carryover report and just bringing it up to date, because if we're talking about something that in that to some extent, you know, work has been started on this that does that change this plan at all from from where it was just to be able to wrap it to make sure that all of the information if anything needs to be updated because I know we're talking about this is something that in one hand it hasn't started it and that's a proposal but yet some of it has so those financial impacts that have that would have been accumulated thus far and then as far as a going that forward just to be really be able to thoroughly update this carryover item in a way that both we and you know the public will understand. So, no one is out there. If, okay, if there is the possibility that we have one more meeting that we add the 16th. If necessary where it seems like you know we. It could be if necessary that we might be able to to move things around and see what we can do in terms of whether we will have an update a larger discussion with GPW and put that in. You know, clearly with another agenda item or two. Does that seem to make the most sense and then as we could do is have have a greater plan for that for the next meeting that we could sort together as a committee. You and I can work on that a little bit in between Anika and because I do have a spreadsheet. One thing I wanted to mention in terms of the upcoming meeting dates. TSO had scheduled a meeting on December 21, which is after the last council meeting. So it might not be worthwhile having that. Yeah, that would actually be bad. If the only thing that we would be doing then it's just approving minutes because you'll have turned in your carrier remember so forth before you. So we might want to either think about canceling that one or, or moving it to the 14th or something like that, but we can talk about that and bring a plan to the committee at the next meeting. Sounds perfect. Thank you so much. Thank you everyone for that. Okay, so we are going to move on to town manager appointments back to you again, Paul, to walk us through. Thank you, Anika. These are pretty straightforward ones. The first one is for the board of assessors. I'm just asking you to approve Nick grab a of 84 aim street. Board of assessors is a small board three members. It's an important board, but it also requires members to go to a school to learn about assessing. We really like someone who's going to be committed for six years, two terms at least to seek the school go through the schooling and then be able to work with the principal assessor. You will see them shortly because you'll be looking setting looking at tax classification hearing. And that's one of their important tasks, but also they hear appeals from people about their property values and things like that. And Nick grab a is has interviewed with the chair of the board of assessors and the principal assessor and understands the commitment that's expected and is willing to do that. Welcome. Seriously, I have a motion for you. If you're, if you're ready. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you to the town services and outreach committee to recommend to the town council, the town manager appointments of Nick appointment of Nick grab a to the board of assessors for term to expire June 30, 2025. Second. Thanks, Andy. I'll do real call. Just didn't ask was there anyone who had anything to say. All right, moving on. Dorothy. Yes. And. Yes. And I, and I as well. So that is. Thank you. The next appointment is a community preservation act committee appointments. These are the. Appointments from the committees. So there we've. We've done the recreation commission and the housing authority and the historical commission. There's 2 other seats 1 for the conservation commission 1 for the planning board, the conservation commission. And the planning board has designated Michelle lab a as their representative and the planning board has designated Doug Marshall as their representative. Comments. I have a comment first, which is that Michelle's amazing. And so I'm really excited for her to serve on, on concom. Not on whatever on CPA. Yeah. Sorry. Not whatever. Critical committees. I adore both of them. I move for the town services and outreach committee to recommend to the town council, the town manager appointments of from the conservation commission, Michelle lab a and from the planning board, Doug Marshall. To the community preservation act committee for a term each to expire June 30th, 2024. Second. And who you're calling me. Andy. Oh, okay. Yes. Dorothy. Yes. Hi. And I will. One absolute. Thank you. The last one is for the elementary school building committee. As you know, we've had 2 departures from the committee and I am. Asking to approve Doug slaughter to take the seat of the superintendent of schools and Jennifer LaFountain to take the seat of the finance director. There will be one more seat that needs to be filled, which is from the school committee. And now that they're fully constituted, I talked with the 2 remaining members last Tuesday night, whatever you voted. And they asked them to put on the agenda to select a school committee member who would represent the school committee on the end that will to on the elementary school building committee. So they will bring that forward. So tonight it's Doug slaughter and Jennifer LaFountain. Thank you. There are no comments. All right. I move for the town services outreach committee to recommend to the town council the town manager appointments of interim superintendent of schools Douglas slaughter and interim finance director director Jennifer LaFountain to the elementary school building committee for terms that last until the end of the MSBA process. Second. Thank you. Anna. Hi, Dorothy. Yes. Andy. Yes. And I'm an ISO that is another unanimous with one absent. Thank you very much. All right. We will move on to approving the minutes. Did everyone have a chance to to look a while. I don't think. I don't think I put him in the packet. Yeah, I was going to say. Everybody had a chance to look, I'm sorry about that. I've been behind. I must have been looking at the last ones and then even. I shouldn't have just let him. I appreciate that boat of confidence, but you, you haven't seen them. So it might be more wise to wait. I'm sorry. I do trust you, but I did, you know, I both. Okay. Agendas and minutes are really similar. It's fine. Um, okay. So the agenda we have, well, we'll, you know, we'll report back. For the next meeting where, I mean, we do know that we will have holler. And that we will have street lights. Okay. And then we will have it. Well, I guess we also have a shallowness outreach proposal. So that next agenda is packed. So we're, we're buying some time tonight to rest up for that. Did anyone have an announcement to make anything to share. Well, I have a big thank you. Um, I had the pleasure of, um, trading a program last week with the Porter felts Huntington museum. And I was just so pleased. I mean, the Amherst community certainly. Um, did come out and represent. Um, thank you door through being there. There were, I really didn't see everyone that was there, but, um, you know, really, really thankful for that. Um, then I had, I had the pleasure of talking with a class today at Amherst College of the summer students who were there. And they really, um, you know, just express their just, I mean, you know, they're like light bulbs and they're just so energized and love to learn about this history and bringing it on to Amherst and just had so many questions. And I walked them through the exhibit there and they are just, you know, really diving into the history of this town, the, the indigenous and black history of this town and it was just really amazing to, to spend that time with them and really see how this community really showed up for these folks who are enslaved that are really connected to our community here. Um, and some of them passed away here and were, you know, certainly married into families here. So it was just really heartwarming. So I just wanted to really extend a big giant thank you for that. Dorothy. I had almost going to say something, but I wasn't sure if it was on topic, but it was absolutely an incredible program. And it exemplified using every modality to teach objects that you look at places that you go to. I'm using the wonderful voices that was wonderful hearing on a will me again. And Shirley Jackson Whitaker is so great. And so even sitting out in the cold in the damp under a temporary thing with all kinds of people standing around it was incredible. So I really, I really want to really thank you so much and Nika for bringing this, and you must have done great publicity because the people came, they came, and they were just, you know, wonderful group of people so thank you so much. Well, thank you. And Anna, you have an announcement. It's for the thank you and you know I know the folks aren't in this meeting but I the other thing that happened last week was the block party. And it was also really incredible. There were so many people I dragged my poor father out. He doesn't like people. And so it was that he's going to be mortified if he ever watches this meeting. But he we went out and like walked around which is great and I just wanted to highlight the. So from people like my dad to then my, my partner sister who's a UMass student texted me and was like are you at this block party thing it's amazing. And so it was really, you know and she and her roommates went right over the recreation booth and had temporary tattoos and I don't know if they came off the next day but you know I feel like it was just there was something for every single person there. And it was really incredible to see the town staff and our local businesses and restaurants and it was it was beautiful and the music and and performing acts were great so I just wanted to publicly offer some some kudos for that as well because I know that that is an incredible amount of labor that goes into doing that. And thank you to our fire department for relocating everything I mean everybody right like I know that there's so much that goes into it so. But that was anyone talking talkies I really wish we had them. That was my first. That was my first block parties I'd been, I wasn't here when they started and then you know pandemic of course, and then last year, you know we were here in TSO that yeah, before so. Yeah, it was my first block party experience and it was, it was great. I enjoyed it. Dorothy. One of the other things that was new was a very strong presence of Amherst College, living up to the promise of the new president and the incredible amount of activities for children. And as it got darker, those children look so serious and they're sitting at the little tables, doing the projects, and they were not ready to go home and it was like would they be that good in school I mean it was it was really neat. So it was it was really well done. Yeah, it was it was a lot of fun and I noticed that the senior center they had a popular table I feel they had everyone. Yeah, the director, she had like all the glow sticks on she had all of the kids, they're piled at her table. I think I didn't name the business improvement district as the primary sponsor and the cultural council for holding on the stage I think I wanted to specify those two groups who who did, I believe the bid in the downtown Amherst Foundation did a, all the, the like breakdown, or at least I saw them in a golf cart at, you know, 10pm so I believe it all the prep. Yeah, it was incredible. So thank you to those folks. That was great. All right, so with that, we are adjourned. Thank you everybody. Bye.