 First thing became aware that there was a thought system deceiving me, the ego's thought system. Like it was very hard to listen and follow. So I had to say yes over and over and over. And so there seems to be like a progression towards learning to listen and follow. And I feel like until that's complete, I can tell it's become very, very clear hearing the spirit that even the deceptive thought system will get in and try and use that to its advantage. And like even say, I should be able to hear by now, or I've done this, I've practiced this enough, I've done enough mind training, I shouldn't be still at that stage where I can't hear spirit at all. And so between that deception or that twisting of the idea of listening and following and the idea in my mind that somehow I should be happy no matter where I am, what I'm doing, who I'm with, I should just be able to be happy. Like the combination of those things, it's like, it seems to be very, it's like quicksand. It's almost like the more I struggle to get out the deeper I sink. And so yeah, I guess I think I hear what you're saying about, you know, where there's a place like this where people have gone before that can be helpful to trust and to listen. I guess what I'm really wondering is like how to get out of quicksand without struggle. Does that make sense? Yeah, it's a very good question, very subtle too. I have found that the best examples of how to do that are the trusting ones. I use that example, like with Francis, we were down, Jason and I were down in Sydney and we were visiting at her house. And Francis said, well, we don't really have a lot of groceries here. I need to go out and Jason said, okay, I'll go with you. So as they took a card and went out to the grocery store, Francis was just, you know, like those old stories about, you know, about the Indian stories about the master dunking the devotee under the water and then again and then until finally, you know, after five minutes of this, the devotee comes up and you're just gasping, trying to get some air in the lungs. And then that's the master's answer. When you want enlightenment, as much as you wanted that next breath, you'll know it. That was the Indian story. Well, Francis was basically on the trip to the grocery store. She's like, okay, let's cut the chase. What's it going to take? I want to know. Just give it to me straight. And he said, well, let's trust. That's the key, the whole key is trust. And she's like, trust who? Trust what? You know, it's really kind of like zooming in. Let's get to the chase. And it was, and Jason very calmly said, just trust David and trust me. You know, it didn't pause and came right out. And really that's the thing that if you really went out of the quicksand without the struggle, all the analysis, all the things that the ego would say is what makes the struggle. It makes you move and strive in the quicksand and then sink deeper. And it reminds me of the scene in the Matrix movie, the Matrix first movie, where basically Neo knows he needs help and this guy comes to his office and it's got a delivery, one of those deliveries. And he says, have a nice day and Neo gives him a look like, who are you and what is this? He opens it up and there's a phone in there and it immediately pops open and rings and it's Morpheus. And Morpheus quickly says to him, I can guide you but you must do exactly as I say. And he goes, what? Now? And he says, stand up. Do it slowly and then begins the very clear instructions from Morpheus to Neo right there in the office where he's working, which is a great symbol of being caught up in the ways of the world but with the spirit coming, zooming in right there on the phone with a clear voice, clear reception and of course in that scene he's able to trust and lower down and make it out to the wind of the veranda in the back and there's like a scaffolding, you can use it to get to the roof. What? I didn't do it. Then the ego really kicks in and as he's looking down, no way. He goes through the whole thing, you can see the ego, it got so far and then it's like, no, I'm not going to. And basically Morpheus says, I leave it to you and then click. He's given in the instructions and then he's either got to follow the instructions or not and face the consequences and he's too scared to, his phone blows out of his hand even. So that's kind of a symbol of like, I don't want that kind of guidance, it's too threatening. But I think that that's the way out of the quicksand is a sense of trust. I mean with Jesus and the apostles, they really, we know in retrospect they all had good reason to trust him because we have this experience that he was the way, the truth and the life and that everything that he would lead them for or guide them for was for their own best interests. So he would be unwise, anyone would have been unwise to not follow him. But we also know that they went through all these trials and tribulations so much so that even after three years of living with the guy that as soon as he got arrested, they all locked themselves up in the upper room, terrified, bolting the door. After all those teachings about the king of heaven and then of course when Jesus is crucified, he doesn't even appear first to them, he appears to Mary Magdala because she was more ready to see him than the twelve apostles that he spent three years with. So it shows you how deep this goes and what willingness it takes and what readiness it takes but the short answer is trust. If you really would like to kind of come out of the quicksand, you shall know them by their fruits and trust. If you put those together, it can save you countless years of thrusting around in the quicksand and seeming to go down deeper instead of getting out. And yeah, that's why like with Francis over these last few years or whatever, like sometimes I've joked that you had like encyclopedia that had spiritual awakening, a little picture of Francis there because she was just so willing in such a short period of time to let go of things that people wouldn't, people go decades without even contemplating, facing, looking at, letting go. But the desire and the willingness and the trust, if you put those together it's a powerful combination. It's not so much a matter of time, it's more a matter of willingness and readiness. You do have to be ready. Even if you're willing and nothing's happening, you feel like your wheels are spinning, it just means if you're somewhere deep down, you're not ready but that will come as well.